Heretic (2024) Hugh Grant is Scary and we Love it | AGSG Fan's Pick

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

Coming up next, All Guts So Gory presents our very first fan pick. We ask you, the listeners, to drop us a line, let us engage with you. Nicole in Fort Lauderdale did just that and asked us to cover a film of her choice for her birthday. Hugh Grant, if you're listening, Nicole's a huge fan of yours and like maybe a billion other women, is so so so in love with you. She loved you in Bridget Jones's diary. We loved you in the film we're about to cover. Happy birthday, Nicole. All guts so gory presents Heretic.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

Mr. Reed, you mentioned you might be interested in learning more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We need to return to the church. The door went open.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

You'll have to exit through the back of my house.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

Switch door.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

It's a simple choice. Belief or disbelief.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

What happens if we choose the wrong door?

SPEAKER_01 0:59

We're just getting still a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

And you are Mike. Yeah, I'm Mike. Mike.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Hey Mike.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

First question. What is the only true religion? You didn't know there was going to be a test, did you? Control. Control. Correct, Charlie. It is the illusion. Yeah, control.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

Whiskey.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Isn't it ironic that a fan of our show asked us to cover a favorite horror movie of theirs and we just do it? We didn't choose to do it. We're doing it because Nicole wanted us to do it. We thought we knew we were going to do it. For real though. This is our first fan pick episode, and while we're green, we can maybe do a couple of these a year. The basis of our show is like a trip down memory lane. Walking into a video store, and on the shelf is Justin's picks, is Charlie's picks, is Mike's picks. Maybe connect with one of those employees based on common interests. We're not going to stray from that often, but we're not above fan service either. I mean, if no one listens, does it exist? All right, let's get into it. The podcast is recorded in the forest and no one hears it. Yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_03 2:39

Yeah. Sure.

SPEAKER_02 2:40

All right. I won't put you guys on the spot or anything as religion. This is a very religion-heavy film, and I was always taught not to talk about religion. So, Justin, have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? Next question, please.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

I'm more of a Hura Mazda guy. Which I mean is that a car? No, that is the God in Zoastrianism. Is that a van? The very first monotheistic religion, which he doesn't even cover.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

Well, because it's not the OG.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

Oh, it is. It's older.

SPEAKER_03 3:16

There's none left, that's why. Actually, I have a weird I did go through some religious stages. I mean, we're not going to go too deep into it, but yeah, a few times I may have accepted OG.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

I mean, we've I've said that I was raised in a cult, but I'm atheist now.

SPEAKER_03 3:32

So I mean Charlie like that. Yeah. I I definitely respect that is going to be the political answer, but I respect everybody's right to have their religion. And so don't take it away, Mike. No, I mean don't tread on them. No, it's it's super useful in just calming people's nerves, I think. And that the line at the end, I don't want to jump too much on it, but when uh Sister Paxon is talking about how beautiful she thinks it is that we pray for each other, even though we know deep in our hearts that it's not, you know, changing the outcome, right? Yeah, that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 4:07

Yeah. I don't practice a religion, but I'd hate to practice Santeria. I'd hate to die. I'd hate to die, and then you're standing there at the pearly gates, like, oh fuck, it's real. Holy shit. The mic is what we call it just in case. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I no, I believe now. It's okay, right?

SPEAKER_03 4:22

Exactly. You love everyone, don't you? What's cool about Mormonism from what I know is there's kind of a waiting room that's that everybody goes into and they're given the opportunity to learn and then choose. So that's kind of cool. It's like an inclusive, right? So yeah, you feel like going to I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

It's just form of control. Right? Gives you the illusion of you are in control. Right.

SPEAKER_02 4:46

So let's talk about heretic. Came out in the year 2024.

unknown 4:52

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

You guys had that.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

I totally watched five minutes of hereditary.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

You had me thinking now I've said hereditary this whole time. Like, wait, it is heretic, right?

SPEAKER_03 5:01

The timing of it, too. Like, hereditary didn't come out that much before heretic. So, like, I always interchange. Yeah, like four years, five years.

SPEAKER_02 5:09

Um, it was like 2018. Hereditary. Hereditary. I'm already on IMDb. Are we already calling Google? Charlie Remind Justin. Oh, you're about to get Charlie's. Oh no, I'm pretty sure it was like 18, but we'll find out. We can we can cut this part, even though it's 2018.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

Boom.

SPEAKER_02 5:27

Yeah, roasted six years right before. Yeah. So, what is your relationship with Heretic? This is not this did not come out very long ago. Did you guys seek this one out when it came out in theaters? Did you check on it later? Were you excited for it when you saw like Hugh Grant was doing something out of his lane?

SPEAKER_03 5:44

I can't remember like that's weird because it wasn't that long ago, but I can't remember if we rushed out to the theater or it was like we bought actually, I know we bought it right when it came to streaming. Because I think it was like a 20 to rent or 25 to buy, and I just clicked the buy. Yeah, which is what I did.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

Mary was really wanted to see this movie, not in the theaters, because she can't watch anything even remotely scary in the theater. She learned lessons with strangers, but she did want to see it, and I'm pretty sure it was because it was Hugh Grant, but we got it on streaming when it came out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

Yeah. Same. I didn't see those from in theaters, but heard good things, and so when it started streaming, I checked it out pretty much right away when it when it hit the uh hit the streamer.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

My kids were 14 when this came out, and they both you know it's I think it's kind of a rite of passage to question religion when you're when you're a teenager, especially the for the first time or second time in your life. So they definitely were all about the concept of it and wanted to see where it would take them.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

So we all loved it. Yeah, this film came out in no November of 24, so right after spooky season, which oddly enough is when you get some horror films.

SPEAKER_01 6:54

November, December seems to be like a popular time for them.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

It's kind of a lull. Some of the you get some of the Halloween stuff, and then you still get one like in the beginning of November sometimes. It's it's weird how they do that. Middle of November. Or maybe they don't want to go up against Terrifier 3, so they're like, put this out in November. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

That's when all the the Oscar nod dramas come out with the stuff.

SPEAKER_02 7:14

But you also don't want to go against like the big Thanksgiving release, you don't want to go up against the Christmas release. So, like that first week of November could be a sweet spot for something while not many big movies are coming out that you're 100% right.

SPEAKER_03 7:29

I think half of the Harry Potters came out in like the November time frame, like that holiday.

SPEAKER_02 7:35

Yeah, the ones that are making the Thanksgiving release, the Christmas release is usually a year for me. Some of those are like award, they're seeking awards in a big way.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

They want to be fresh in people's memories for the Oscars.

SPEAKER_03 7:46

Or they know everybody's home and they're maybe a break.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

And they're smart enough not to put it out into in the summer blockbuster season.

SPEAKER_02 7:53

Yeah. So here's like what was out. So October brought us Joker Folly Adu, which was supposed to be huge and bombed badly, like critically just slaughtered. I don't even know. Everyone heard it. I didn't watch it. Terrifier 3 made over 90 million dollars, was number one at the box office in mid-October. I don't know if that says anything about the state of other films that were out or where Terrifier is in our pop culture in 2024, or both, but incredible that Terrifier 3 made that kind of money. Up for a number of awards, came out uh around this time. The week after Heretic came out, a real pain came out, which is really clear, critically acclaimed. Kieran Colkin won an Oscar for his supporting role in that with Jesse Eisenberg. I'm sorry, that was before Heretic. Heretic came two weeks later, or Heritic came out two weeks later after Heritage came out, is when Wicked came out. I heard of that one. Collectively, people wasted $758 million on that hot garbage. Did you see it? It's not even hot garbage, it's old garbage. It smells like hot garbage. I didn't see it. The music saw it.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

Yeah. I knew I was gonna get some blowing.

SPEAKER_02 9:11

So I did a little research. Part it was $150 million budget, made $758 million. Part two, same budget, $150 million. Made $540 million. That's a lot of money, but that also says that 30% of the people are like, I don't need the rest. I don't need it. Watch the first half, don't need a second half. $1.3 billion. That's not bad. Yeah, but 30% of your fans were like, no, thanks. But let's look at Terminator, guys. Termin Terminator in 1984 made $78 million. T2, seven years later, $517 million. Wow. That's what you want from a sequel. That means people loved the first and were like, give me more. In Wicked's case, people were like, eh.

SPEAKER_03 9:55

30% of the people are like, eh, not gonna watch the second one. My only counter to that is Wicked is was more of a to be continued kind of thing, right?

SPEAKER_02 10:03

It was a second half of the Yeah, so you have to go see the second one, but 30% were like, I don't want to see more of this. Dragging me to that shit show again. I'm also a little, I don't want to say biased, but for some reason this was showing up in my algorithms when it had no business being in my algorithms. What's that? And I was just like all the time seeing Ariana Grande and Cynthia and Arrivo looking like sad puppy dogs, like sad skinny puppy dogs in my algorithm. I'm like, why is this shit keep popping up? I don't care.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

Right, like hugging each other on the red carpet and stuff. All kinds of that's fine. Are we doing a wicked podcast?

SPEAKER_02 10:40

No, okay, just touch just saying that this swamped like anything heretic could have done.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

I I could see Conclave as almost like a double feature, too.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

Was that a horror? I never saw it.

SPEAKER_03 10:51

Well, I think it was a mystery, like a murder or like a death of a pope, and then the whole political thing of Jews get elected. Yeah, but I didn't see it. Yeah, I didn't see it either. But but anyway, Heretic was awesome, guys.

SPEAKER_02 11:03

Yeah, this is an A24 film, which at this point in time everyone kind of knows what you're getting when you get into it. Yeah, it's a little art house, a little psychological, big budget feel, but on a small budget. This was done on a $10 million budget, grossed almost $60 million worldwide. So six times, which is better than what Wicked did. Just saying.

SPEAKER_03 11:26

I think they take Wicked's numbers, though.

SPEAKER_02 11:29

Well, I mean, they'd have to spend you know ten and a half times as much. That's true, but let's talk about the tagline. It's like being the best quarterback in D2 college football. The tagline for Heretic. Question everything. It works. Yeah, it works.

SPEAKER_03 11:48

It's short to the big X Files, isn't it? Or is that Trust No one?

SPEAKER_02 11:53

No. So this Heretic, let's talk about the director here. Directors. Directors, yeah. Scott Beck and Brian Woods. Together they wrote and directed Nightlight, Haunt, the Adam Driver Dinosaur Adventure named uh what 65? 57.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

65.

SPEAKER_03 12:12

You said before you didn't like that. I haven't seen like I didn't hate it. But it wasn't good. Like, this is one of my this is like the Flintstones for me.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

Oh, did you walk out?

SPEAKER_03 12:21

No, we watched it at home, so I didn't have a place to go.

SPEAKER_01 12:24

Just go to bed.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

Together they wrote A Quiet Place with John Krasinski. On part two, Krasinski gets the writing credit, but Beck and Woods get a based on characters by. So I don't know if Krasinski kept it going and they didn't weren't a part of it. Same thing, I think, with with day one, they got a character's buy, but not a writing credit. Also in the 2023, they wrote and I think wrote and directed the Booge Man, which stars one of the stars of this film. Disappointing Sophie Thatcher. That was a Father's Day Eve.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Some of the Father's Day Eve picks, and it was disappointing.

SPEAKER_03 13:01

It was fine, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

But it was a horror movie. It was better than the transformation.

SPEAKER_03 13:03

On Father's Day Eve. And um, I liked Haunt. I have you guys seen Haunt? It's a I haven't, but it looks good. It's like a weird, they're they're out searching for a haunted house, and then all of a sudden, like just a light, some weird lights come on that say, you know, haunted house or whatever, and these this group of kids goes into it.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

Isn't this an Atticus? Didn't he bring that one up?

SPEAKER_03 13:24

He may have, but it's uh it was solid.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

Okay. I I kind of want to see it now. They like to uh put on Tubi.

SPEAKER_03 13:32

I don't know. So the directors slash writers like to focus on regular people in extreme situations, and that fits right into there.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

Yeah, how about the leading cast? We got Sister Sister Paxton. Sorry, Sister Paxton, played by Chloe East. She was in Steven Spielberg's The Fablemans in 2022. Any thoughts on Chloe? Not much note in her IMDb. She's the lighter haired, yes.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

Yes, her hair. She's pretty good. She's really good at the movie. She's good at great. Like, as like I knew who that character was, right? You know what I mean? It's not like it was good casting, right? But good acting. I guess they both have connections to the Mormon church. Did you come across that? I did see that in the research. But that's not why they were cast. But I mean it helps. They don't practice anymore, though. Right. They're perfect, so they don't have to practice. All right.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

Talking about practice. Where's that mute button? Hit that mute button real quick. We talked about practice. I thought the left.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

That was 25 years ago. Someone sent me a Alan Iverson. Yeah. 25 years ago. We talk about practice. I'm like, God.

SPEAKER_03 14:36

Practice.

unknown 14:36

25 years.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

25 practice.

SPEAKER_03 14:39

No, she likes the layers to even like her dad joke when she came in, and he's like, I think Q Grant something, something about like, I am definitely a fan of religion, and she's like, our work is done. Like she played a very cute, innocent, but yeah, I think she did great.

SPEAKER_01 14:57

Yeah. It could have gone wrong so many different ways. When you try to to play a character that is like a seemingly one-dimensional, it goes wrong so many times.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

I heard something in a behind the scenes that I was watching, I think Q Grant used the phrase shades of fear. So like she had to keep like keep it under control while still bringing the same character in and as the got the shit got deeper and deeper.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

I'm gonna hit this early, but the director, or maybe it was a cinematographer, I don't really know how that really works. But the tight views on the faces, I mean you you can direct, you can have a really, really good director and not be able to accomplish what they did with the faces in this show. And it was just I mean, back of all the the three characters, three main characters, back and forth, tight, tight shots, and I mean they were spot on.

SPEAKER_03 15:54

They were it was really good. Both of you guys, I think, know that I like to do the subtitles on everything I watch. I have to. This is actually one that demanded that I turn them off because I was distracted from the the camera work they were doing. Like, did you guys notice the opening credits where it was like they were they were kind of like post-party corners, right? Yeah, so like that's kind of an indication of we want you to watch this middle of the screen and nothing else, right? Yeah, of course, it's out of the way.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

That was different. I like that. It's great. Sister Barnes, she is played by Sophie Thatcher. She played a young Reagan in two episodes of the Exorcist TV series in 2016. She's most well known probably for playing young Natalie in Yellow Jackets for three seasons going on four. Her adult counterpart in that show is Juliet Lewis. You can kind of see the resemblance, I think, once you've never seen yellow jackets, and you're like, oh, that makes sense. But if you've seen yellow jackets, you're like, wow, incredible casting. She's been in a lot of stuff, though.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

And obviously, a favorite of mine, Companion, was really good.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

I like that one a lot. Small role and maxing.

SPEAKER_03 17:00

He's got your guy Quaid in it.

SPEAKER_02 17:01

Yeah, Jack Quaid's in that. I'm thinking only like 26 years old. I mean, we're gonna see a lot more of her.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Hopefully, she doesn't, you know, she's not like the the it girl for five years and we just never see her again, which happens a lot. Right.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

Hopefully, she stays in the horror lane quite a bit. I don't think yellow jackets qualifies as horror. It's like it does as much as this one does, I would almost say, right? Like this one, if she's listening. No, this one's more horror than yellow jackets.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

If she's listening, I don't think she should do just horror.

SPEAKER_03 17:30

I mean, she's heretic was barely in the horror genre, but a lot of this movie was it might be less so than Silence of the Lambs, even. Like it was You sure yeah, there's a prophet, there is some shit.

SPEAKER_02 17:47

Once we get to the bullshit around the religion stuff.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Yeah, well, I don't know. She could branch out, don't get it. Like, there's there's parts where like what the fuck's gonna happen next.

SPEAKER_03 17:59

It was like a spider in its prey kind of movie, is what this one was. So yeah, there's some a horror element, a trapped, you know, I mean it's almost a Tarantino movie in the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

Well, just it's dialogue driven, just like just dialogue, dialogue, one less n-word in it, way fewer n-words in it. But I mean, it wasn't bad. I mean, it was just like Tarantino's movie, but they're not bad, but you can pick it out from a mile.

SPEAKER_03 18:23

I wanted all of the dialogue and more in this one. That's the difference, right? Like from this and death proof. Like yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:30

I I was an hour and 53 minutes or something. I was not like this is too long. Every time Hugh Grant is front and center and just like leading the conversation and commanding the screen.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

Are we onto Hugh Grant? Yeah, let's move on to him.

SPEAKER_02 18:44

All right, that he plays Mr. Reed. This is his second horror film after 1990. Nicole's Mr. Wright, right? The Lair of the White Worm.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

The Lair of the White Worm is good. Horror. Definitely horror.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

Yeah, haven't seen it. But yeah, this is his second turn in horror. Proud of us for not making it. Yeah, I'm proud of you, Justin. Two left. That's what this Mew Buff.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Ruined it when you said a bit when you said who's proud of us.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

But yeah, he said in some interviews that he wanted to stop being typecast and doing the rom-com thing, and that's where our writers, directors of this film, like heard that interview and basically wrote this with him in mind, so they could pitch it to him and be like, Hey, this is at this is something new for you. What do you think?

SPEAKER_03 19:27

And and he loved it, so he was on board with that. Like a yes and kind of situation, though. It's like a he got to bring that same disarming charm.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

He's still charming as fuck in this movie.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

You know, just his quirky mannerisms, too, which he's had in every single movie he's ever done, are brought in and brought out and like amplified and the close-up shots. I mean, he's still a pretty man. Well, I'm not saying he could get it.

SPEAKER_03 19:52

You sure? He'd have to work a little harder to get it now. Like if the population would just I mean, I would snuggle him on a winter's day in an English cottage. I've seen him play the heel a couple times though, like in The Gentleman. Did you guys see that one? The guy Richie film.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

No.

SPEAKER_03 20:07

He was kind of a he wasn't the same. He was a funny bad guy, but this is this is the darkest I've seen him probably.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

He did a miniseries recently where he was like an English or British, whatever their representatives are, PMs or whatever they call it PM. But you know, like House of Lords, House of whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so there was this whole mystery, and I'm not gonna ruin it for anybody who's spoil it, spoil it anyway. He was really good in there, and it wasn't a comedy, it wasn't it was kind of mystery, dark mystery, but he was good in that. Do we have a favorite Hugh Grant?

SPEAKER_02 20:44

For me, it's this. I don't know. But I think I mean I mean, we we need like we should have had a a female guest, we should have had some pe female perspective on.

SPEAKER_03 20:55

Hugh Grant. I'll go first. Nottinghill is an amazing rom con. Nottinghill is really good. He did some good. And Love Actually was getting that one. That's not a him. That's not his favorite.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Yes, that's my favorite. Love actually. Okay. There's a lot of good, it's all the British actors that have ever existed, there's only seven of them, are in that movie, and they're he's really good in that. He's classic.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

I'm not gonna lie, I haven't seen any of them. I haven't seen Nine Months, I haven't seen any of the Bridget Joneses. I mean, I haven't seen Mary's fault. Yeah, not I haven't seen Mickey Blue Eyes, not not that good. What else is probably his worst? Four weddings and a funeral. Saw that one charming as hell in there. Yeah, what what else have he been in? Some police videos. He's in glass glass onion, the second knife out, he's in there. He's very sure. But that's not about it. I didn't see it.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

Don't ask him about it though. Yeah, did you see the like the interview where they're like, What was it like to be in Glass Onion? He's like, I wasn't even in it. No, it seems like in it for two seconds.

SPEAKER_02 21:49

Yeah, I know, but no, I didn't. I mean, but yeah, I no, I hadn't seen it. I've heard some conflicting stuff about Hugh Grant.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

But here's the thing like, so somebody was Telling a story about how he had been, you know, rude and it was a total dick to them. Another actor, probably not, definitely not on his level. But then he told they told him about it or he heard about it and he apologized. He goes, You're absolutely right. I was being a dick, and I'm really sorry about that. Oh.

SPEAKER_03 22:18

So I mean, what a guy.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

What a guy. I mean, snakes. Cottage. The cottage.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

Me and he's like, was he referencing the uh was he referencing the the hooker situation? All right. I'm really sorry I fucked up.

SPEAKER_03 22:32

It was a long time ago. Long time ago. Do you gotta say Is that what he said to Elizabeth Hurley? He fumbled the bag on that one. Yeah, he did. I mean, we don't know. We don't know.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

One of the most famous tonight show segments ever. I don't know if you guys remember seeing that when he went, he went on Jay Leno and first question, he's just like, What the hell were you thinking? Yeah. And he just was like, the crowd cheered and was like, uh, and he just like kind of shrugged his shoulders, like and was charming Hugh Grant, and everyone forgot about it.

SPEAKER_03 23:00

20 years of that shit though gets you a little jaded. So you're probably you got a little bit of a license to be a dick, right? Sure.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

I don't know if anyone ever has a license to be a dick, but what's your excuse, then Charlie? I'm not saying I have any excuses. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

All right, guys. Let's talk about the awards this thing won or were nominated for because it didn't win any. Fangoria Chainsaw Awards was nominated for best wide release film, best supporting for performance for Hugh Grant, and he lost to Nicolas Cage as long legs. Fucking right, he did it in cage for life, yo. That's tough. We're not gonna argue. Loaded category. Best screenplay, it lost to Sinners. Also, best wide release film was Sinners. They never had a chance. Tough slate there. Golden Globes, Hugh Grant was nominated for best male actor in a motion picture, musical, or comedy. I missed the musical number in this. Did you guys catch the directors cut?

SPEAKER_01 23:59

I think it's like alchemy, tobacco, and firearms. I mean, it's just there was the creep.

SPEAKER_03 24:04

It's a left over need is the air that was musical, but I think yeah, it's it's a anything but drama. But like this was drama as shit, though.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

Yeah, I don't think I don't think many people take the Golden Globe seriously. One because they have a really racist history. They also I think favor Britain a lot in the thing in the things that's an international journalism.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

Journalism. But there's times where like you get there, there they are. I think it's recently changed, like their board members or whoever is in charge of it has recently changed to try to be up with the times. But for a long, long time, there was times you'd get like two or three or four African American actors and actresses and directors nominated for Oscars, and then those same ones are completely shut out of the golden globes, like not even nominated. I mean, if the Oscars make you look racist, I mean that's real bad. They got a track record too.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

Yeah, but it's a low bar.

SPEAKER_02 24:56

They also it's either it's either you get nominated for being in a drama, and if it's not a drama, they classify it as musical or comedy. Right.

SPEAKER_03 25:04

So I think Jim Carrey famously kind of shit on that when he won for Man on the Moon in that in the comedy category. He's like, Oh, I didn't know I was making a comedy, and like, and he hasn't won since, I think, basically.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

I think uh DiCaprio, I think, also won for maybe the revenant, and they put it in like musical or comedy.

SPEAKER_03 25:24

Oh my god. When they dance when he danced and sang with the bear. Right, exactly. It's hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

But Hugh Grant, he lost the Golden Globe to Sebastian Stan for his role in A Different Man. I don't know if you are familiar with that one. But he's Sebastian's done a couple, didn't you mention Fresh? Fresh, yeah. I like Fresh. He's in The Martian. I like the Martian a lot. Yeah, I like Sebastian Stan. Marvel stuff is whatever. I know the name you've made that joke before, Justin. So I can't put the face. It's altered. Well, you can put a face in a different man. Oh he has radical mind, but his dream face becomes a nightmare. That's what a different man is about. Oh, okay. I'm out. Anywho, yeah. Back to Heretic. Metacritic gave us a 71. Solid. That is solidly in the green. That's yeah. Tomato meter, 89% critic score, only 76% on the fancy. I could see that. I don't know why the differential it's the heavy dialogue in the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

I mean, it's just like build up and build up and build up for some people cannot take that.

SPEAKER_03 26:28

And it it it hits some pretty controversial topics, too. So that would also be very offend a few people you didn't think you were going to that just came for a girls trapped in a house.

SPEAKER_02 26:41

Not that they didn't deserve it, but if you're gonna have someone lecture you though on this heavy topic, isn't Hugh Grant like a really great choice to be that person? Other than like Morgan Freeman, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Like if you told me I had cancer, I'd be like, oh, thanks, man. You want to hang out later? Right. Do you have a cottage somewhere? You know what?

SPEAKER_03 27:01

I didn't think of it like a Charlie game. Terrible news, chap. Do tell Hugh. All right. So Hugh Grant, great. Are we still on now? We're on the critic scores, right?

SPEAKER_02 27:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:12

71. I leave. Metacritic 89 critics uh Rotten Tomatoes 76 fan score. I'd give it a I'm I'm in the nine category on this one, I think. Just so well written and so well shot. Like plus right.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

I even if you don't like movies like this, you will like this movie. It is that good.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

Yeah, I think I gave this a seven out of ten. I like it a lot. Which is good for Mike's a hard critic. Um we'll get there, but the ending didn't do much for me. But we'll get there. Okay. We'll get there. That ending, we got a lot to talk about on the ending. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

They really they really give us a look this way, but no, we're gonna go this way.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

Let's do this.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

Let's do this.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

All right. I've broken this down into eight scenes. Okay, and we can I'm just gonna broadly hit each scene and then we can talk about each one. Eight scenes and then our final. So I'm I'm trying to I'm trying my best to get away from like the they they're talking on the bench, they carry their bikes up the stairs, they go to his house, he invites them in, he says this. They I'm trying to avoid like the that kind of breakdown that I'm used to doing.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

We were all trying to do it, but it's so hard sometimes because you like it, especially if it's a good movie, you want to be like, Yeah, like the stairs. I mean, that was great.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

Well, so this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna I'm gonna just set up and be like, here's the opening scene, and then we'll just talk about what we want to talk about. Right. Yep. So eight scenes. First scene is the opening scene, and then getting to Mr. Reed's house. So it opens with them on the bench. It Barnes and Paxton, sister Barnes, sister Paxton sitting on the bench at the bus station, bus stop, and they're talking. You could you could tell right away what their situation is because they won't say any bad words, they won't even say penis. She calls it peen, which is awesome. They say something like sexing.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

But she's talking about pornography at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 29:15

Well, I think, yeah, I think Paxton tries to say like she stutters trying to say porno, and she's like pornography, yeah, pornography.

SPEAKER_03 29:23

But Barnes easily says like pornography, like you immediately get that there's a difference in the background of these two women. Barnes has lived a more worldly life, she knows of more, she's less naive. She's right, she's more hardened, but an amazing scene though. Just them on the bench talking like that. It tells us they're still getting to know each other a little bit, like they've been paired together to do this missionary, like this outreach. I I don't think they're like it's one of those things where you're best friends because she's one of them. Right, you get partnered up with somebody else. Yeah, one of them has eight conversions. Uh, what were they called? Eight or nine, eight or nine baptisms or conversions or whatever you call it. And Chloe Paxton is still waiting for her first. So they're still feeling each other out, like they're still seeing what they're comfortable with. I think that's part of the reason she brought up pornography. Is like, is this a cool person or not a cool person? So two things, real quick. Do we know where they are? Utah, yeah. Are they in Utah?

SPEAKER_02 30:19

Is it you could see the mountain doesn't the one say born like in Salt Lake and I think the other Philadelphia and he's like, oh, so far away.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

So the second thing is they're on a missionary. I didn't know that women in the Mormon church did missionaries because I have never seen I've seen the guys in the black pants, white shirts, black tie on bikes, even here. And I've seen them in New Mexico.

SPEAKER_03 30:41

I've seen one sister come with a brother of the church.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

But one time. Like when you go to Brigham Young, you're required to do like at least a two-year missionary, I think.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

And there are women that go to Brigham Young, so Yeah. I thought you were gonna say you're required to do soaking.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

Isn't that where you just are we gonna talk about soaking? You want to just Google it, guys. Just Google it. We'll get down a rabbit hole and he'll tell a he'll tell a Jad joke that nobody likes.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

No, yes. Oh you you put it in and then two people shake the bed because the thrusting part is what is the sin. I mean, so that's so good.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

I'm gonna say probably Moroni or whoever is gonna say that you were having sex. More and I. More and I. Right. That's like uh the angels in Dogma can't drink anymore, so he just takes shots, swishes around, and spits it out. Come on.

SPEAKER_03 31:36

That's the same same thing. No, but yeah, it's a great way to show us the credits and introduce us these two. And then even their talks while they're Charlie wanted to bring up the stairs, but the conversation they're having is so it's like in a sense, it's like, hey, for every five steps we do, our husband gets hotter, and it's just cute, right? They're like doing things that pass the time, they know that nobody wants to talk to them. Right. The important part that Paxton was talking about was what if people only had an opinion? They've been told that Mormons are crazy the whole time, so they've always just believed it, and now I can just come in and you know change their minds on it. It's it it goes in with the conversation that we have throughout the whole movie.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

Yeah. Yeah. So then they get to Mr. Reed's house. How long did it take you to realize there is no wife? Me?

SPEAKER_01 32:28

I don't know. When he left the room and came back and the wife didn't come with, there's no wife.

SPEAKER_03 32:34

And I know it's a horror movie, so there's no wife. Yeah, we've done these. I don't know how many movies like this I've seen, but like I'm like, there's no wife. Yeah, you know, I was hoping.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

Wait, when when they're like, there needs to be a woman present, and he's like, Oh, I'll go get my wife. And then when he comes back, it's like, well, this is a horror movie. There's no wife. She's making a pie. She's not getting blueberry. No, she's not. No, she's fucking not. But he just get out, girls, run, run over your life bitches, get help.

SPEAKER_03 33:01

Combine the uh the threat of the elements they were outside and how disarming and charming he was. You know, even the the roommate joke, what my wife do, and like all the and the Paxton and Barnes, and like everything about him, and when they walk in, we'll get to that in a second, is set to like put them at ease. Should we drink every time we say charming?

SPEAKER_02 33:21

That's like the fifth time I think we've said I mean we can. I've been drinking every time we say anything.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

So yeah. What was that?

SPEAKER_02 33:29

Sorry, I was drinking.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

That's why I didn't drive the fast car.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

Definitely gonna pull me over. But yeah, he I would have came in the house, man. I've been like, it's raining out here. It's coming down.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

It was like a really good everything is playing to his to have benefit him, and everything is playing to against them, right? The weather goes bad. He's charming. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:56

Did you find it odd that he brought them Cokes when he's supposed to be this smart, all-knowing, whatever? Yeah, I think it's just I found it.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

I think it's just a test.

SPEAKER_03 34:05

It was. It was yeah, that's his whole thing is a test. And being kind of a bully, right? Like in that sense, I know you can't drink this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

Well, I'm gonna put it in your face.

SPEAKER_02 34:16

When should they have left? Like they're trying to convert him. When should they have left?

SPEAKER_03 34:21

They shouldn't have gone in. I don't know if they could have I don't know what the timer was set on on that crazy door lock thing, but they should have. When he started pressing them about the multiple wives and stuff, was probably when he got a little close to the edge. And you could see it all over their faces, right?

SPEAKER_01 34:40

I think, yeah. We're in a horror movie, so main characters are the protagonists are gonna make mistakes so that we can, you know, it's uh conveyance. We have to get from one scene to the next scene to the next scene to the horror. Um, so the mistakes are built in. Yeah. But I mean he he is very disarming. They shouldn't have gone inside the house. Would you say he's charming? I did not say he was charming. I said he was disarming, and they shouldn't have gone into the house without seeing the wife first.

SPEAKER_03 35:10

Here's here's something that the three of us are not equipped to talk about at all is living as a smaller female, right? Like, there's so many things. But you're gonna try, aren't you? I'm gonna try to mansplain this a little bit. No, I'm saying there's just so many things that like they're expected to be polite and go along with. Yes, right. I just a sales pitch almost. I just watched a video on TikTok. I don't want to go too far into it, but somebody hit a girl for not accepting a compliment, right? And all the comments were like, Oh, they should have just accepted the compliment and walked away, you know, or whatever. But it's like there's so much that's baked into like how women should act, and if you play your cards right, you're gonna get away from this dangerous situation.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

And that's if Mary was here, Mary would tell you that there's all social interactions around women, and that they are expected, men or not, men can do whatever they want. Men can be a dick, men can be nice, men can be polite, and then be a dick later, and it's just like uh boys will be boys. Women, you're supposed to accept and thank you for compliments. You're traveling in a world where I don't know the number, but I know it was on the side of the bear. Women were asked, if you were in the woods, would you rather rather run into a bear or a man? And a sizable percentage picked a bear. That should tell you, Mary would tell you that there women are going through life lesbians wondering if they're gonna be attacked. That was my guy. And then, you know, your your abuser is the person that you're in love with most of the time. Right. It's just a hard and this sh this the beginning scenes make that a true. Uh whoever wrote that.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

It's going to be your fault, too. Like you're gonna be able to do it. And it's going to be your fault.

SPEAKER_01 37:00

You're gonna get victim blamed. So the way they're looking at each other, and they know they're they all of their senses are saying that from almost the get is that this is a bad situation that we need to leave. But we need to be polite about it, right? Fuck that don't anger him. Yeah, you try to keep me inside the house, Hugh Grant. I'm gonna throw a a chair through right there that little tiny window and say, Okay, come on, bruh.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

When when Hugh Grant, when Mr. Reed pulls out the Book of Mormon, that's when you're like, We obviously can't sell him on anything, we can't teach him anything. He's read this book, it's sticky noted and tabbed throughout. He's no longer a mark, right? That's that's my guess. He's no longer a mark at that point, and that's when you need to basically get out. It plays into uh I see you've already know so much about our culture.

SPEAKER_03 37:54

So have a good day, they took it as an exciting point, like, oh, you read more than we do, you know, and maybe you should be teaching us about it. Like, that's why Paxton was so great.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

Like, she brought that energy that that I'm happy to be here, and and she doesn't come off that bright in the very beginning, but when she's in there, she's thinking quickly, and she's able to put in those little things that uh you most people would just be you know, silent, shocked into silent type of thing.

SPEAKER_03 38:25

I wonder, I mean, there's no way of knowing unknowable as Charlie likes to say. Did he set up his appointment to coincide with the storm? That's the only thing that he really couldn't like control. I don't think the storm is necessary. I think he still would have got him to the street. But it gave them a reason to come in, right? You I yeah, I'm I kind of agree with you though. Like it would have been not that much harder to get him in without the storm, but definitely he knows what he's doing.

SPEAKER_01 38:54

This is obviously not the first time he's done it.

SPEAKER_03 38:56

Shit, yeah, he does. These girls were like, oh shit, it's that brand. Let's go in. They're like, what the hell?

SPEAKER_01 39:01

Do you have a blanket somewhere we can snuggle with?

SPEAKER_03 39:04

Loved you in phantoms. No, that was someone else.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

You were the bomb in Phantom, Joe. You seen that uh the TikTok or whatever of um Game Boy.

unknown 39:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 39:15

The guy jumps in that car.

SPEAKER_03 39:17

Can you help me figure out how to put the batteries in this Game Boy? The stranger danger. Yes, man. Uh, was it Jim Carrey from some movie?

SPEAKER_02 39:24

Uh something like that, yeah. That was great. That's uh that would be girls showing up at Q Grants.

SPEAKER_01 39:29

And that just shows how different the experience of men and women are, right?

SPEAKER_03 39:34

Yeah, exactly. Some some are hoping for predators, some men. Yeah, but anyway, just so uh I don't know what the right answer of when we would leave would be, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:45

Before we get in trouble. So too late. The second scene here, we're still in the living room, but the doom is settling in, right? So Mr. Reed's asking personal questions about how Paxton's father died. Right. And then going from this really head heavy subject matter, like talking about polygamy, to what's your favorite fast food?

SPEAKER_03 40:03

You forgot about uh blueberry's disease. Like, holy shit. Yeah, yeah. He makes that that gap. Yeah, he's like blueberry disease. What a funny way to die. Right. He did it on purpose. Oh, virtual, yeah. Totally. She's like blueberry disease. But that was quick thinking. He must be like improv or something.

SPEAKER_01 40:20

He's trying to throw him off. Yeah, like I said, this isn't the first time he's done it. He's being charming while drinking while trying to make them feel uncomfortable at the same time. It's really weird how he does it, and it works.

SPEAKER_03 40:33

It is a weird, it's an invitation to spar a little bit. Like there's a there's a pushback, and hey, kind of prove me wrong a little bit, you know. What are your thoughts on here? How well do you think on your feet? How strong are your beliefs, right?

SPEAKER_02 40:47

Right. And then after he talks about what your favorite fast food is, and they're going over all their lists, we get the reveal that the blueberry pie smell is just a candle. The girls can't get out of the house, they're willing to leave coats and behind and bikes behind and walk four miles back to the church in a pretty severe storm, like a really severe storm. Hail, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:10

It was a heavy reveal, right? Yeah. Because this is a this is basically proof that the wife is here. There's a cake, there's a pie baking, and it's a blueberry pie. If you smell it, you can tell me exactly what it is. The shot when they turn the candle and the camera stays focused on the backside, so we're not seeing what she's looking at was amazing. It's one of my favorite shots in the film where she turns around.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

As soon as she moved goes to move the candle, and you see it's that dark blue color, I'm like, oh fuck. Yeah, it's a candle. It's blueberry pie.

SPEAKER_03 41:40

It was and still gut drops a little bit. They're being polite. They have to, right? Yeah. Because at this point they try the door. They're trying to go. We need to ask for help.

SPEAKER_02 41:50

Yeah, the door doesn't open. They realize that the key for their bike lock is in the coat.

SPEAKER_03 41:54

He took the coat. Right. And they were willing to like go out in that blizzard. They're like, F it, we're going out without the without the key to the bike. We're gonna walk two miles.

SPEAKER_01 42:04

And it's guaranteed, men are thinking, I will bash that door, I will set this place on fire. Why aren't they doing that? And when we're like, I mean, they're doing exactly what I would do. Like, they really need to, and and feeling horrified at the same time. A totally different watching experience for men and women, I think.

SPEAKER_03 42:23

For sure. I mean, there's I'm thinking as a as a man, there's two of you, there's one of him. Make your stand now, right? Right. And but that's old, that's not thought. No, that's a let's see if we can get out of here with without offending. Right. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:39

And as if the doom wasn't settling in enough. The lights go out, they're creaking footsteps, there's a figure in the dark. It's it's turning into a horror movie at this point.

SPEAKER_03 42:48

Yeah. They make not gonna spend too long, but they they make a fake phone call coming in.

SPEAKER_02 42:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:53

I'll lie, right? Right.

SPEAKER_02 42:55

Yep. But so this takes us to scene number three. This is where we're in the study or the faux church, whatever you call it. They go down the hall, you know. Mr. Reed's very nonchalant about the fact the front door won't open till morning. Like that's just a normal thing in his house and other houses. Catches them in the lie that they took a call from the church because, well, there's metal in the walls. I told you that, and the roof is made of metal, so you can't get a cell phone signal. So you definitely lied about getting a call. Right. More and more prying questions, a lot of dialogue in this in this scene where they're in the study talking about it. So much dialogue, but it's music and board games and everything in between.

SPEAKER_03 43:35

Perhaps the this is perhaps the best dialogue in the entire movie, I think. The whole setup, but real quick, like even with when he said how he brought up that he knows that they lied was another way to make them feel you know guilty and yeah. Oh, I'm sorry, I offended you by lying. It's all this control, which we talked about control. But yeah, they see their coats there, they see their chance once they get their coat and get out.

SPEAKER_02 44:01

Yeah, there's more pry questions about when they started to believe in God. Was it because something some people just told them to? What gives you doubt about your beliefs? There's the two doors in the room. Neither of them look like they would go outside. Like if you're doing the geography of the house at this point, and he's like, Well, you can just go through the left door, go through the right door, and like you'll go outside. Like if you're doing the geography of where they started to where they are, those doors aren't going fucking outside.

SPEAKER_03 44:28

No, you said you saw the back of my house on the way in. Right. You could see it was overhung on a on a hillside.

SPEAKER_01 44:33

So as we'll see to go oot, you have to go dun. Yeah, exactly. But I mean, so you'll see further as we go through the movie, like he's lying to them the whole time. Right. And I think that's kind of his point about religion is that we're believing they're lying to you the whole time, and that you'll believe it. And you'll think they're not lying. Because you're hoping that it's true. If you believe, you'll see the truth at the end of the day. If you go through the left door, you go through the right door, and he gives the whole belief, disbelief. Turns out they end up the same place. Right. Yes. It didn't really matter. But but he told him one of these is good. No. They're both bad. And he still does that throughout the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 45:15

He he's set up again, he's like, Oh yeah, like, would you believe me if I said my wife was right past this door? Pushed him, right? It's like and you know, they're like, No, but he's making him choose. But that's when we get the the analogies that he puts together.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

The the the games, the games, the the Bibles, the music, just and this is where the the close-in on the face shots of the two women is really like uh a staple of these this extended scene and the dialogue, and their facial reactions are just so good. Like I don't think you can direct somebody who can't act into giving you that kind of product, and they're they're doing it.

SPEAKER_03 45:57

I mean, they're really both very good actors. I think this is where Paxson's like, well, you certainly have given us a lot to think about. Still trying to appeal to his, you know, let's let him know that we know he's smart, right? We know that you know more than us. We're gonna think about all this stuff. Did we like the analogies? Did we like the the big three religions? I I've ate it up. I don't know about you guys, but I was loved it.

SPEAKER_01 46:22

He does a good job. I mean, it I mean, clearly this guy, and I think he talks about it, how he studied religion, he was looking for the one true religion, right? And he you just find that eventually, you know, it's just like one's built on the other and on the other, and he's picking on you know the monotheistic religions. He leaves out one I think which was very important, but for brevity, I know I understand that most people really only know about the big three, at least here in the United States, and this is an American movie, and it's a great analogy.

SPEAKER_03 46:56

Yeah, there's Parker Brothers and the Landlord game, and that was to say that Judaism didn't have salespeople for their religion, but Christians have missionaries. Book of Mormon, obviously, or not Book of Mormon, but Mormonism has missionaries as well.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

And Islam, I'm I don't think I've ever had anybody in who's Muslim come to my door, but I mean they've been pretty successful.

SPEAKER_03 47:22

I didn't know that that was the newest of the three mono's. I didn't know that Islam was I guess I did, because Muhammad that was well after Jesus, though, right?

SPEAKER_01 47:35

I think seventh century, so six six hundred years later. Yeah, okay. And they they they recognize Jesus as a prophet of Muhammad, not the son, which I mean Christianity, like to build on something that you think that these other guys have completely wrong while all their stuff is completely based on it, right? It's just like really that's where we are.

SPEAKER_03 48:00

The ten different stories of virgin births on Christmas Day and you know resurrection and stuff. I was like, this is this is great. This is this is all fascinating. But Sophie Thatcher's character, Barnes, also put it out, like, yeah, this is this is a part of the tricks. This is this is he discounted the Holocaust, which six million could have turned into, you know, if each of them had you know three kids each or whatever, it could have been right a lot by now. So that would change the number of practicing uh Jews today, right? So it did discount a huge event, which took a lot out of the picture. But fast, like I like I said, this this whole if I had a teacher that taught like this, A plus in that class.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

And I get the feeling that through his studies, he eventually probably was a professor somewhere. That's because he does give a a lecture, basically, right?

SPEAKER_03 48:56

Like he knows what he's doing, like he's done it many times before, not just in this whole I'm gonna kill people now phase, but you know, once he got into his 50s and the zany, I like the zany offshoot regional offshoot, the Bob uh Bob Ross Monopoly.

SPEAKER_02 49:12

Yes, that's why that's so good. That was so good. If we were on video, everyone could see that Charlie brought his cartoon drawing of Mohammed for the podcast. Why are you doxing me, bro? You're trying to get me got what is that a bad thing? That's a real thing. It's really well done, it looks great. Realistic. No comment. How about all right? Let's get back to this. Chekhov's letter opener. Yeah. Saw that. This letter opener has like pennies in the handle. Like, that was a common thing. I don't know why. My grandmother, both like my grandmom, my aunt, someone else. I remember having like a letter opener that the handle was like clear with like pennies in it. I've never seen that before. I don't know why that was a supposed to be like a look thing. Like it was an acrylic plastic handle with like two pennies in it.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

Never seen that. I have a Superman letter opener. Did you get in a Metropolis though in a way? No, the kids got it for me at the book fair they have where they sell them all toys and stuff. A scholastic book fair. Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:16

My kids came home with garbage. But I did too as a kid. It was all like 101 cow jokes. That's the shit I would come home with.

SPEAKER_01 50:23

I come home with a book of stamp, you know, like stamp collecting thing. Right. No worse, no reading required. A pencil with a troll on the top of it. Right.

SPEAKER_03 50:31

Poster of Joe Montana.

unknown 50:34

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_03 50:35

Like Bo Jackson.

SPEAKER_02 50:36

And now that my kids are in school, it's like they fucking five book fairs a year and they're bringing home like stickers. I'm like, stickers. Something you can read, like, you know, coloring books. I'm like, get the fuck out.

SPEAKER_03 50:49

So yeah, we learned about we learned about iterations from Hugh Grant. We also, an important scene in this room, they had the poster of Dante's Inferno, the the Descending Layers of Hell. They referenced that too, which is a indicator of where this film is going, right?

SPEAKER_02 51:04

Yeah. Is Hugh Grant's delivery of the radio headlines? But I'm a bad thing. I'm a weirdo. Really? Two on the nose, right? It's because he is a creep. He is a weirdo. Right.

SPEAKER_03 51:15

And he even said that's exactly what you're thinking. I didn't hear that. The very beginning of it is do you know where it's like the she runs part in creep? Yeah. That's the part that is very melodically similar, right? Oh, yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 51:30

Yep. I think when when the part where Barnes says, like, are we talking about religion or music or board games? Like, you know, at this point, Mr. Reed's got them both like completely in a mind fuck. Yeah. Like they probably have even forgotten about the goal of getting the fuck out of this house. Because they're just still like listening to him go on and on. Instead of like, look, Mr. We really gotta fucking get out. I mean, they're not gonna cuss, but like a hit. Look, Mr. Like, can we just leave? Like, please let us leave. Like, they forget and they're just entranced in everything he's telling them.

SPEAKER_03 52:05

Because he has it's safer that way, right? Yeah. If he's talking, he's not killing, right? So it's it's yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:11

So this this scene in the study or the faux church, I think he calls it at one point leads to the belief and disbelief choosing of the door. But this is the first time that we get back out of the house. They show us that one of the elders from the church is noticing that Paxton and Barnes didn't sign back in. They're supposed to be back, I think, by this point. Top for grace. Tophur Grace. Fucking Eric Foreman. I didn't even recognize him until I saw the credits. I was like, oh, that doesn't even look like him. That's what I think because he only looks like one person, Eric Foreman. And now that he's older and not like a 19-year-old, like, I have no idea what he likes to do. I think you put that role.

SPEAKER_03 52:49

That was it was kind of a nothing role, which kind of just shows how much he wanted to be a part of it. I think yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:55

Yeah. So he's the elder, and you know, he starts going house to house because he realizes they didn't make it back to the church, and so he starts, you know, going house to house and just looking for them. Belief and disbelief are both scary. You know, you write those words on the door, ask them which to choose based on if they believe or if they don't believe. Paxton seems to be.

SPEAKER_03 53:18

Still trying to be super respectful, right? Like you believe God uh watches us masturbate and hates gay people, or do you believe that nothing happens and we're ants floating around on these things in space, right?

SPEAKER_02 53:28

Yeah, right. It's it's scary to think about. Like that that that's kind of what I like what I said earlier. Like, I'd hate to die and be like, oh shit, there is a there is oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 53:39

So yeah, you were talking about the people pleaser in Maxon. Yeah, she's a people pleaser, so she's like, You've obviously shown me that we should go through the disbelief door.

SPEAKER_02 53:47

Right. She's trying to be respectful, be like, that story we should go through. You're so much smarter. Yeah, and Barnes starts, she he she calls out Mr. Reed on all his bullshit. Like she's like, hey, look, this is what we believe. We need to go through the belief door because we believe, you believe, right? To to Paxton, and they choose the left door because they believe in God, and it's the honest thing for them as a duo to do is like we do believe in whatever happens if we believe, whatever God has in store for us is what it is, right? So they go through the belief door.

SPEAKER_03 54:18

Should we I'm gonna just drop in real quick. He makes a a point of looking at a candle and seeing that it's flickering differently, and just hold that hold on to that for later. Just he reps.

SPEAKER_02 54:32

I noticed that, but I feel like I'd missed something. So he comes in later. Phillipson.

SPEAKER_03 54:36

I thought it was just a Hugh Grantism. Nope. It it it's important. Yeah, the candle thought he was charming. He also clocked flickered in his presence. Yes. Hugh Grant by candlelight. Oh my god. This guy's hotter than I am. That's what the candle said. Um no, but like he also clocked her arm earlier. He clocked the scar on her arm while they're in the living room. So he's he's building up this thing to get it down to one person. This is all happening, right? Right, and that the candle. He noticed it like later he says, I noticed it earlier. Fire reacts to certain people, and that's what the candle that's right.

SPEAKER_02 55:13

Yeah, so it's a dark scare kit staircase or scarecase because it's a movie. Works. It sounds like a new podcast. The scare case. Yeah, it's all about movies with scarecrows. Copyright banding. I don't think after we do our wrestling podcast, that'll be the next one.

SPEAKER_03 55:29

Couple things about the house. It is not to code. There's there's no way the pastor is. No way, no window. Even though I have seen this lady on TikTok who's digging like a mine in her house, which I love that. Oh, I did. I like that too. Like my favorite thing. I wanted to, you know, find you know, bedrock, like Minecraft kind of thing. But right.

SPEAKER_02 55:46

Do you think Mr. Reed's trying to put this on the market at some point? No, no, you shouldn't.

SPEAKER_03 55:51

No, hey, this basement is not up to coast. You'd have to fill in at least that trapdoor at the bottom of concrete. But this was all built on a soundstage's house. Cool, huh? Interesting. Even that that faux sanctuary part of the house was super cool. It was built to kind of remind people of a spider web because the angles and the lines coming out of it. At certain certain points, Hugh Grant is standing in front of it, and it looks like the lines are coming out of his head. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:19

Dark staircase. And now they're heading down to the basement. In the basement, this is scene five. We're in another room in this goofy, crazy house. They go down the basement, they think they hear Mr. Reed coming, and Barnes wants Paxton to stab him in the neck with the letter opener that she swiped. Right.

SPEAKER_01 56:40

Magic underwear. Magic underwear.

SPEAKER_02 56:42

After they tried to go. That was a good line from the opening of the movie that didn't talk about it. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:47

I wanted to run those three women over. Me too. Oh, yeah. Like, and like what's funny is the j the dichotomy, I hate to say, but like of how she immediately clocks them and says, I love them already. And right their first thought is to pants her right in the middle of the street. Yeah, to embarrass other people.

SPEAKER_05 57:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:04

Which I'm not pro-religion, but human respect is a different thing.

SPEAKER_02 57:10

Exactly. So it's not Mr. Barnes that they hear, it's someone else. Someone in a cloak carrying a lantern and a pie. Oh, it's his wife. Thank God. The pie was real. His wife was there the whole time. Right. All is good. She looks like the harbinger of death. I almost thought that you know she wasn't real and they were gonna die.

SPEAKER_03 57:30

Yeah, the end. So no, it was it was a joke. It was obviously not a joke joke, but it was a you wanted a pie, you wanted proof that there was a pie. Yeah, we we missed the part where they tried to find climb out that window and the board comes down. But yeah, that's a quick thing to do.

SPEAKER_02 57:46

We didn't miss it, you can talk about it.

SPEAKER_03 57:48

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:48

This is me, this is me going through the scenes quicker, right?

SPEAKER_03 57:51

So you could talk about that if you want to. Yeah, it was important that that's how the uh board with the nails came down. They were trying to get out through that window, right?

SPEAKER_02 57:59

And foreshadowing. I missed that. That that was the board that she used later in the movie. I thought that was like a broken chair leg, table leg, what have you. Nope. Because in other movies, like when you break a leg off a table, like all four nails come out with it magically. Fortunately, it never happens, right?

SPEAKER_01 58:17

There'd be a lot more impaled people.

SPEAKER_03 58:18

That was it was it was Chekhov's board with nails in it, is what it was.

SPEAKER_02 58:21

We've got that and the letter up from Star Trek, yes, not and then Creep Creep starts playing on a speaker in the basement. So now but the Hugh Grant version, of course. I love that song though. So good, and then the big part of the trailer that I remember was Hugh Grant playing with like a model of the house, yeah, and this is where we finally see the model, which shows that both doors lead to the basement to the same place, and he lets the girls know, like, you are in the presence of a living prophet of God, that he's been shown a miracle, and this is proof that religions are false. Now, I was a little thrown by this because when people talk about miracles, they're using it as like this is proof that this religion is real. He's saying this is a miracle, and I'm gonna prove that like religion, this religion is not real. But I'm like, so I was a little like, wait, what is he doing?

SPEAKER_03 59:12

He's trying to prove one thing, but he's showing in the one true religion, it's not what you think, but it's there is one true religion, right?

SPEAKER_01 59:19

Right, and so they're gonna be witnesses to this miracle that is real, and then that's his motive, and then you can see that's when he's taking notes, like time of everything being introduced as it was introduced, and there's like seven or other things on the notepad, right?

SPEAKER_03 59:34

And then he's you see him carving the guy this he knows he's gonna show up to the door, he knows the elder's gonna show up, right? Which I missed the first time because I was like, Oh, what if that what if you're what if he immediately brought the cops with him because he said something was wrong? But yeah, he knew somebody's coming and he put them in that spot and we're like, oh shit. Yep, eating the pie.

SPEAKER_02 59:57

The pie has some poisonous herbs in it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:01

That was the most wolf spain, disgusting part of the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:06

She's eating that pie with her fingers and she's all dirty. She didn't even wash her hands first, she didn't have no nap. She's not sharing it, she didn't have no napkin. You ain't never eat a pie all by yourself.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:15

She found something regardless. And then the table, there's a water dripping directly on the table, splattering on the pie. It's just atmospherically disturbing. Perfect, though.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:26

Like as far as the further down.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:29

If you eat one pie, that is like just one piece. You're just, you know. Right. If you don't cut it, it's one piece. Once you cut it, now you got two phones.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:40

You can't just follow them. Can't see what I'm holding up, but there are those mini pies, but like it doesn't change. Like, it's still one piece.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:46

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:46

Can they have like the half pies?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:48

I'll do a half pie in two settings. Key lime.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

I love uh bring up the key lime. I love me some key lime. I love it the holidays when there's like you know, half a pie left. I'm just like, anybody want this last piece? I know somebody like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:04

It's all stuck together. It counts with one nacho. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:08

But yeah, I think that the further into the house and the further down we get, the grosser, the more visceral everything is meant to feel. And it's just it's yeah, it's doing its job. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you you can tell that he's listening to them. The spider comes out of the damn thing. It's like, ugh.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:24

Yeah. The miracle is that this prophet is gonna be resurrected. Right. The prophet will tell us what happens in the afterlife, just like martyrs. Just like kind of like martyrs.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:34

Yeah, basically they ripped this off of martyrs.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:37

But but good. But we're gonna gloss over that part that this was good. Martyrs was bad. Yeah, this was uh, was martyrs.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:45

Was martyrs bad because they they didn't share what happened in the afterlife? Two things that's what it was, or the fact that they beat the shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:53

A it was French. Bad out of the gate. B, they didn't show. They didn't share. They didn't share.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:59

So, yeah, so we see the diorama or the model, but would then we also see the doorbell rings, right? Yes, right on cue. On cube. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:08

This is our next scene. Good segue, Justin. Scene six. The elder comes and the prophet resurrects. They at the same time. It's coinciding with each other. So the elder comes, coinciding with the girls, also getting the matches just by pulling the rug through the crack at the bottom of the door. They confirm she was dead. They know then they go up, right? He knows that if the doorbell rings, they're gonna go up to the steps to try to screen for someone. And that I think is where later Paxton gives the inkling that she knows what he did while they were focused on the top of the steps and the door. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:43

Is that the one with the glass?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:44

I Barston's no Paxton's is is that's the blonde one. Yeah, Paxton's the more naive one. Yeah, the one that didn't die at Taco Bell.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:52

Geniuses, right? Both of them are really smart people, and when we get to the part where she starts breaking stuff down, I was like, I did not expect that from this character. Right. But at the same time, I'm going with it. It's really good.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:06

Yeah. Genius, but he was even playing. I think that was planned for it. I think the matches, like he almost planned for them because I think he sets up the scenario.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:16

He used it for his analogy and not a lot of people get through it. And nobody as we'll find out, they they they do. And you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:29

Go ahead. So they get they get some matches, right? And then the prophet indeed resurrects. There is the prophet vomits blood, Mr. Reed comes into the basement, thanks the prophet. It's very nonchalant.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:45

Leaves like the audience being like, What he strikes one of the matches for him that they thought they were that was gonna make a difference, but obviously it didn't. He'd probably set that up.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:53

And and he walks like the prophet upstairs, mocks her and leads her through a door.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:59

He wants their testimony. Like, what did you see? What did she say? What what did she say? He's writing about it because they witnessed his miracle, and now he needs to like provide the information because they saw it.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:09

But when they both first come down, Paxson's like, her head, she moved, like her head wasn't in that.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:15

When they come back down from trying to scream through the doorway, I mean under this stressful situation. And Barnes is like, no, you're not remembering it right. They gaslight are they're smart.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:25

I mean, they're still seeing all this stuff under the super stressful situation where most people wouldn't even remember 90% of the stuff that happened if they survived.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:34

And and yeah, Reed is just so nonchalant about all of it. Like, you got these girls kidnapped and now in your basement, and they just witnessed this horrific miracle, quote unquote. He's just like, So, what'd you see? Tell me everything, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:47

Like, he's just charming ass fucking self drink drink, which said that on purpose, which makes everyone which is you know is diabolical because he's still throwing out feelers like you're okay. I mean, this is just an experiment, and you're gonna be fine and you're gonna survive. And they're not really buying it, but it's still a little disarming.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:09

My religion gives you something no other religion can. It gives you proof of the resurrection. You know, he's he's basically setting him up. He's now pitching this his religion, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:19

Right. Exactly. They they say it's a magic trick, it's not a miracle, was a near-death experience, not a prophecy, meaningless hallucinations. Because she then she brings up Paxton brings up her, I'm sorry, Barnes brings up her Taco Bell story again and is her near-death experience and what she saw. And they're just like they're like it's it was identical, and it's just it's hallucinations you have before they bring you back to life. It's not like you're seeing something.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:46

And then he says something trippy. Well, a couple things that jump in real quick. He says a trippy thing about your your memories aren't actually memories, it's the a memory of the last time that you remembered something. I'm like Is that real? I think it's got me, right? I can't know. I have heard that like every time you go through something, you remember it slightly more in either in your favor or in the other way, right? So you change it each time, right? So that's why memory is like uh if you work at a bank gaslighting yourself, right? If you work at a bank false memories, if you work at a bank and you get robbed, the first thing they train you is don't talk to your coworkers because they're going to convince you that he was wearing a blue shirt and he had a scar on his face, right? Your memory has to be your own, right? So anyway. Other thing, he used the the match a little bit ago to wave it to do the you know, it reacts to fire. So once again, he's he's pointing out there's something different about Barnes. Like she's an NPC, if you will, which we go into.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:43

Which we'll get into because the next thing Barnes says is the code word magic underwear, baby. And then as soon as she says it, Mr. Reed slits her throat without hesitation. And it's and it's like, that's like, wow, where the fuck did that come from?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:58

I don't know if you can talk about a blood scene being beautifully shot, but like it hitting her hands and everything, it was good, it was well shot.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:05

It was a PG 13.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:06

Yeah, it was well shot. It was like artfully done, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:09

And this this was the twist because she's built up the whole time as being the main character, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:14

As the badass, just follow me and we're gonna get out of here. Right, right. Yeah. Um, we also sorry, we we also heard her bit about the butterfly. I would come back as a butterfly and land right on somebody's finger to let them know that I'm right, right. So little foreshadowed about that. Yeah, in a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:31

So this is our next scene, scene seven, talks about simulation theory, the butterfly dream, simulation theory. Mr. Reed calls Barnes a program, quote unquote, and that she has an implant in her arm and he digs it out. He he cuts her, he fingers it out of her. That's fucking gross. Gets a vein first, the vein. Oh, he's like, oh, that's a vein, my bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:54

That makes it at least a two or three on the gore score, the vein.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:57

Yeah, real quick, since there's I mean, there's no girls here, there's no females here. Is it an IUD he dug out of her?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:03

Yeah, well, it that's the IUD is is actually called an inner uterine device. So, like, okay. So that's not the right thing. It is a but it's in her arm, and that is where they put it. That's a real thing, though, right? Yes, not last two years. Yeah, yeah. IAD. Inner R inner bicep device. I B D. So IDK. But IED.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:26

I knew it. But he knew right away. But yeah, so I didn't know if that he dug a birth control device out of her. He did. Okay. So that that was what it was, but he was calling it something else. Like treating it like it was a computer chip.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:39

It was something. It was clocked earlier in the you know, he heard we saw it. Yeah, he's banking that Paxton didn't know what this was.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:47

Why would Paxton need that because or Barnes?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:51

I think I think she has a history before the church, right? And I think she has struggled with the true religion, too. That's how they connected. That's how she and Neil connected was like they got each other a little bit. They both had a similar journey figuring out what is real. So I think this is the closest thing that she's had that's real. When he's questioning things, you can see it on her face that like she's had those same doubts. Yeah. Right. So I think she's had a history before, right? Yeah. A promiscuous history.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:22

Yeah, this is where Paxton then debates some of Mr. Reed's bullshit, thinks that the bodies of the prophets were switched, which was what we thought about when they were at the you knew that we would go to the top of the steps when the doorbell rang, and then that's when you came and switched the body out with somebody else. You know, the original prophet person is dead. He has two Columbo. So then there's a trap door under the table, and then they're he's like, well, she's like that, then there must be a body down there, and of course, it's a fucking body down there.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:51

Well, you the only way to know is to go down there. And it once again, it the house just keeps getting deeper and deeper and the hallways.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:58

Yeah, yeah. And it's all a setup experiment by him, and you can tell that it's his obviously, he's a psychopath. Yeah, right. She's complicit in the case. No, he's a psychopath.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:08

She knows at this point the only way out is through.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:10

Right. From he said Robert Frost, and she said, No, a swamp thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:15

A swamp thing, yeah, yeah, from Swamp Thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:18

Great movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:20

Yeah, the only way out is through. And then so she goes down and she comes across like a blue door. Is that like the eye of the beholder painted on the door?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:28

I think it was like uh just some there were Wiccan and Pagan symbols, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:32

There was all kinds of older type beliefs. Opens it, then there's a red door, she goes through, and then the bike lock is on the final door. That bike lock is she has the key in her coat, which was originally in Barnes's coat, but it was her to be able to get there. So right. And we get that when we get to she figures out Mr. Reed plants it in her coat, even though it was originally in Barnes' coat.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:58

They thought at first, yeah, she was a mistake. In her second Columbo moment, she's like, You thought we would think it was a mistake that you put it in the wrong jacket. Right, right. And then he she she goes into the area where he's got women caged who like the all this is scene eight, the final like a produce section. It was just spritzing them every once in a while. I didn't even know what was up with that. I think maybe.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:20

Did you expect this to be in the house? No. First watch, I'm like, what's this it's like martyrs?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:27

It is like martyrs, where they finally get the oculus on.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:30

Actually, I think you should have a drink twice every time you say martyrs. Anytime anyone says martyrs. Just finish your four drinks for you. Martyrs six.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:39

So heretic is like PG 13 martyrs. Was it PG 13? I'm pretty sure Heretic was PG 13.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:47

But I don't know for sure because they didn't drop any F-bombs and it could be PG 13.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:52

I I'm pretty sure it was a PG 13. Oh no, it is an R. Okay. It was deep. It was like pretty dark. So I think the slicing of it. There's a little gore, but not a ton. But there's no there's no F bombs.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:04

No nudity. Yeah, no nudity. Yeah, there's just a finger cutoff.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:08

Which is kind of soft, soft R. Wow. And and usually you'd get like even PG 13, you're allowed one F bomb. Two if there's no nudity. Oh, you it's two if no nudity? Okay. Oh, you're fucking with me.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:21

I think so. No, I think it's something like that. I don't know. I don't know. A knowable.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:27

PG 13, you get one F. And even on TV, like a like a TV MA show gets like. Well, now there's so much stuff I think they throw it around crazy. On TV, they can do whatever they want. It used to be you got one. So like breaking bad, they were allowed like one a season, I remember. And it used to be a big deal. Better use it wisely. It used to be a big deal, like who got to say it in each season. It's like the SNL intro. It's a big deal who gets to say it. Right. But yeah, but it used to be like you got like one. And you like make it make it make it count. Now they throw that shit around willy-nilly. But in PG 13, you get you get one. Once there's two, then it's an R. But there's none in this one. Soft R. Anyway, back to the movie. So scene eight is the final room. Cages, it's cold. There's a mist, like a produce frickin' counter. People are under covers in cages. At this point, it's like, what are we even? What did we just walk into?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:25

Close both thin shroud things. He gives she tries to give one of them her coat to warm her up.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:32

And she figures it out. He asks her, What is the one true religion? And she knows it. Control. Control.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:38

She's standing there in that room because it's where he wanted her to be standing, not because she's and that's where she drops the bomb about bike lock key being in her coat because he knew she would be the one standing there in that room.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:51

Also, when she mentions that he came back and he was his hair was wet because that's when he must have hid the bicycles, and it just like that, like I said, second Columbo moment where she kind of does the reveal. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:05

He goes and he's like clipping one of the prisoners' fingernails, like giving her a manicure, but then just cuts a fucking finger off. He wasn't paying attention. It was an accident.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:15

No, it wasn't. Yeah, he keeps him.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:17

Yeah, he does keep him a little peckish, she said.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:19

Yeah, keeps him peckish. Then finally, I don't think that Mr. Reed counted on Paxton carrying the fucking letter opener. And being willing to use it. Billy willing to use it. This is what was too on the nose. Yeah, that's what was too the magic word. And without hesitation, she just jabs him right in the windpipe.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:36

They even throw it. It was kind of like a glancing through the neck thing. It was right in the middle. No, it wasn't in the middle. It was right in the middle. He was dying. Because you will hit the spine. She missed it. But it was enough for him to be able to walk something. Well, when they when they showed it, it looked like it was right in the middle.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:53

Yeah. And he could barely talk. And that's my one of my new picnics. Like, how's he still operating?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:00

He wasn't for long. I think had we'll get to that in a second. What yeah, he said we even control what you wear underneath your clothes, your magic underwear. Yes. Stabs. But like that part was the only you mentioned the two on the nose with the I'm a weirdo. What the hell am I doing here? I think the the double magic underwear was a little, uh, I guess it's a crowd pleasing moment.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:22

But it was a movie that there's like, okay, now we're gonna give you some interaction. Let's give them something to talk about. There's gonna be a little bit of payback coming, so let's start it up.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:33

So let's say this is now the ending of the film, and let's ask the question before we talk about it. Did this ending stick the landing for you?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:43

Yes, it did. It did for me because he gets stabbed in the neck and she runs back to get out, and then he comes after her with the box cutter thing. He takes the shortcut, he's about to whack her, and then Barnes comes back with the board and the three nails right in the back of the head, and like he's up against the wall bleeding out. No, that was when he was up against the ball bleeding out, he was like, Pray for us. Oh, because he had slashed, he had stabbed her.

unknown 1:16:18

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:18

He stabbed kind of fell on the stairs Paxton in the gut. Not a not a good place to get stabbed. And he falls, she falls, and he's like, Pray for me. Are you gonna pray for us or something like that? And then he's crawling after her, and he's about to get her, and then Barnes comes through with the bar with three nails in the back of the head, and he's got in the front of the head.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:40

It it actually rips like okay. Yeah, but yeah, it rips across headshot. Yeah, headshot, right. So this is where I say almost sticks to landing. Almost, mostly sticks to landing. There was like one wheel went down and then the other one. It wasn't like a smooth landing because so does she survive, you think? That's that's she died. That's where we're at right now. There's there's a couple different splice points where it's like one theory is that everything, even Sophie Thatcher's character, Barnes getting up and hitting him in the head was was a reference to what your brain does the instant you die. The the the imagination that comes in, and everything after that point is just brain chemistry shit. That's one theory. I don't like it. I don't like it either. Went on too long, reading into it too much. This wasn't my theory. That's yeah, I read it. Right. Another theory is that she is Barnes saves the day, she gets up, but still dies, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:38

It kind of looks like you know, I didn't really couldn't really tell if she lived or died. But that final scene with the butterfly on the hand. She's dead, and she was by herself when she got in.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:49

She's by herself, it was there was no sign of a storm at all. It was bright daylight. It was daylight, but there was snow everywhere, right? So there was a storm. So you ever see the butterfly in the winter?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:59

I haven't.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:00

Not inside, right? But and I think that's the point of the ending. I think that is a nod. My interpretation is that's a nod to this is a sign from you know beyond, right? You're right. This is a sign from beyond. This is how I want it to end. I want her to be safe. I want her to make that phone call after the credits roll and be safe, right? She earned that.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:20

And but so the control is that most people will say she did make it to heaven, and God was looking out for them, and God let her send her a sign. Where was God when they were at the fucking front door? Hey guys, don't go in there.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:37

Yeah. Where was God at their own?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:39

That's the point of the whole movie, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:41

Right. Where was God? With blueberry disease, like all that shit. Like, where's God then? You know?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:48

Yeah, God created blueberry disease, okay? These people that are like everything happens for a reason. Oh, yeah. That is the you might as well say, I have nothing to say to you. Then why is prayer? Why is prayer important? Are you praying to change God's plans? That was my favorite line. One of the favorite lines was her bit about like, I just think it's beautiful that people are thinking about other people where they're suffering, right? Like, I do like that it's a you know brings you together and kind of so Randall Cunningham, former Eagles quarterback. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:18

I mean, don't laugh. I'm listening. No, I'm listening. No, this is this series. I remember being younger and hearing about his tragically had a son that drowned while some while a family member was watching him, or was supposed to be watching, or whatever. And he he drowned in like the family pool or whatever, fell in, couldn't swim. And basically, his response was like, everything happens for a reason. I'm like, go fuck yourself. Like, no, I do not believe that that. I I mean that's basically like saying God is just a dick.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:54

God's just killing children to show what's a what lesson do you learn from children dying?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:00

What's the lesson there? I think it's something that some people take solace in thinking, right? They're like, well, there's we I don't see I can't believe it's a good idea. That's what keeps religion going. Right. I don't know. Right. Yeah. Who am I to question God's plan, right? Anyway, that's the thing. Now we're getting too too heavy, but but anyway.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:15

Um, but so I'm gonna go back to the ending. This ending does not stick the landing for me. It doesn't so and and I'm taking everything at face value and not thinking about the like, was it real, was it not, was it what happens when you die? I'm like, what's her name? Paxton stabs Mr. Reed in the middle of the windpipe. He's done. He's not making it all the way back to the basement to stab her and ask her to pray for them. He's he's done. You're well, and then when they get back to the basement, if they're a way for Paxton to reveal some feelings about her her, you know, about prayer. Like it's nice to think of someone besides yourself, that whole thing was going on the whole time Barnes was alive? Barely, but barely, like she's she had her carotid artery slit. You are not alive after all this time.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:09

I think it would have been gushing blood if it had been her carotid artery and your throat slit, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:14

She's just like in stabbing a windpipe, like you're done.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:17

But that's the whole thing. Like, how many stories are there of people getting shot once in the lower left abdomen and dying? Well, that's and then I know a person who was stabbed in the chest with a 12-inch butcher knife twelve times and survived.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:35

There's been people shot at the chest.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:36

It's perfectly fine.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:37

All that stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:38

So yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:40

You're right. There's there's examples of that are exceptions to the rule.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:43

It seems extreme because we haven't personally seen stuff like that, but I I'm past that in my movie horror watching life is like, you know, get run over by a truck. Sure, people survive that. Get stabbed in the the leg, and then then then you die. Okay, whatever. Just move on. Just get buried in a pen cemetery and you come back.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:06

All right, right. Yeah. Uh so damn it, I forgot what I was gonna say about uh this I do that a lot, Mary Hazard.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:14

Stop talking over me.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:16

So all right. So we got you you've changed my mind a little bit from no, it doesn't to it does a little bit. Oh, that's what I was gonna say. Charlie's a yes, Justin was a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:26

I've moved up from no to a little bit. That's what I was gonna say. Paxton looked at Barnes like sh that was the first miracle that she had seen. Yeah, right. That was the actual miracle is her coming back, right? Hitting with the board or whatever. Yeah, with the nails, right? Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:40

Three nails, like just very Christ-like. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:43

Oh, yeah, I didn't catch that, but probably.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:47

Look at Mike.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:50

I'm sorry, sir, for questioning you. Uh all right, where are we at? We got some questions.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:55

That's the end of the movie. I just want to hit some of the quotes. Like we talked about do you wear magic underwear? Yes, I do. The South Park musical makes fun of us. Oh, yeah. But they like the songs. Some of the songs are good.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:06

Yeah, Barnes had obviously seen it.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:08

What do you think about the he asks Mr. Reed asked them how do you feel about polygamy? And it explained it, it's it's explained in a way that polygamy is a way to grow their community. Do you think it's very it's a goalpost move?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:20

All religions do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:21

It just like, hey, like just have more wives, you can have more kids, so then more people will join our cult.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:29

I think that the wasn't it big during like the 40s? Is that what like when people were going off to war? I think it's like there's less men, you can right, you can still grow the community with less men and more women. But I have no idea. Never heard of that. Obviously, then Utah was it was like it couldn't become a state until they disavowed right that practice. And then they got the revelation about it being disavowed.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:55

Coincidentally, Kansas is a state when the age of consent in Texas is like 13. Dude. Anyway, is it? Is that like there's a couple of southern states where the age of consent is like 13 or 14. Well, I grew up in Louisiana, so just recently.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:07

It's probably 12 there. I think after 2000, Kansas had to vote on a legal marriage age or whatever. They didn't have one, right? So it's like they decided to have one. They decided 15. Oh my god. Like it was after the year 2000. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:21

I think in Nebraska I'm sure someone is gonna be yelling at their their car speakers listen to it like to get married, you had to be 21. Well, that's too far the other way. Too far the other way. If you can serve in our war, Kansas, Nebraska, I mean, same thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:37

Yeah. With great power comes great responsibility. Spider-Man Spider-Man, Voltaire. Right. So that was the cute stuff that that character brought, and I loved every bit of it, right? Yeah, yeah. To go Dune in order to go oot. Love that. Love that little Canadian little thing in there. How about when when Mr. Reed compares the religious figures to Star Wars characters? Charlie? This is a beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:03

Well, I thought you were a big Star Wars guy. No, no. That's the only trilogy and it is Star Wars. No, that's not. I've heard you say that before. I think that is. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:15

Oh, where he says uh there's only one trilogy and it's not Lord of the Rings, or he's like no, he says there's only one return and it's not of the king. It's very by distinct to dis Lord of the Rings. It's very, I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:27

It's Christianity. Did Jar Jar die or something?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:31

He didn't, unfortunately. Right? The worst character ever. And then Lucas is like, fuck you guys for not liking Jar Jar Brinks. I'm bringing him back in the second movie. I kind of respected it. I respect more than the kid uh Anakin is made out of metaclorines and immaculate birth. But I mean uh I mean even his examples were shortened, abbreviated, kind of. Well, not really, but kind of. And I think she says that. Like this guy has a fucking bird head. Yeah. But his point is legitimate.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:09

Some point is legitimate. It's good talking points. Right. How about when they're going down the stairs to the basement, and I think it's Paxton's turns around and says to Mr. Reed at the top, Are you coming too? Yeah. And then he just slams the door. Like she Paxton also said, Thank you for letting us leave.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:26

It's like training.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:28

Women are trained.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:29

How is he going to make killing us our idea? Right. That's frightening. Yep. I've been wondering how this whole time. That's what she said. Yeah. Robert Frost, Swamp Thing. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Yeah. Smart stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:43

It's really smart. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:45

You know, learn some things. I'm going to ask, is there do you guys have so let's get to some of the questions. Like, do you guys have a favorite below the line actor in this film? I guess for me it's Topher Grace because he's like barely in it, and I didn't even know it was in it until the credits. For me, it's the true prophet.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:03

There's only like five people in the cast. I mean, there's teenagers.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:06

There's more people in the cast when they get into the you know, kids and people in cages and all the extras.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:12

Very, very bad they had on the street. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:14

And those people, yeah. But there's not many people in this cast outside of the the big three. Low butt that's how it's low budget.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:20

It's all set and right. Ten million dollars in today's five actors. And to look that nice. And most of that probably went to uh Q McBlue Eyes.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:31

Q Hugh Grant. I don't know what the fuck. Come on now.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:34

The charming guy. Which kill was best after we drink? Which kill was best? Read. Has to be. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:43

I guess if you're counting that board to the head as the kill.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:46

Stab in the neck, board to the head. It was satisfying. It was there's some nice you know, nose nails went through his cranium.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:54

The biggest oh shit one was obviously Barnes, though, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:58

That was the most Like, whoa, this is taking a twist. They just killed off the main character. Like, is this Game of Thrones reward? They killed the good one, the smart one, the good one, the smart one, the streetwise one, the one who knows what's going on.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:10

The one that has birth control in her arm. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:13

Yeah, it's definitely gotta be Mr. Reed. There's some good squelching in that in that character. I'll call him Mr. He's too big of a jerk. I'd say Reed. Okay. Yeah. Could you escape this? Where did our victims go wrong?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:26

They ignore through no fault of their own. Yeah. Being raised women in the Mormon Church, they're as women in all of our society are taught to be the caregivers, be polite, be nice, don't make trouble. Men are bears. It's easy to be nice to a bear, you'll survive, blah blah blah. A man, like if I couldn't be inside there without a man being present, maybe I would have gone in, probably would have gone in. But I would have fought in the in the living room. I would never would have left the living room. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:59

That's what I was gonna say. You make your standing room. Once you figure out that door's not opening, you're not going further into that house. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:06

So you're saying your house, your front door won't open up, you have no windows to get out. So if there's a fire, you can't get out of this house. So that's that's that was my thinking.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:17

How does the door just not open at all?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:19

Then me and you are fighting with whoever I'm with. So that's that's what it's all about. Faith. The movie's all about faith and belief. And keeps getting them, even though he keeps making the hurdle higher and higher. And obviously lying to them the whole time. Right. So testing, will they believe this hurdle? You want to believe it that I'm telling you the truth. Oh, you're gonna do it. You see, that goes into a dungeon.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:41

You want to believe, yeah, you can get out that wouldn't it be nice if I could touch your body? Oh, I thought you were. No, you gotta have faith. I got you. I like what you did there. Thanks. That's you, thank you. It's good to be seen. It it's crazy to me. Like the oldest horror trope in the book has to be girl, don't go in there. Yeah, don't go in there. And they made a whole movie in 2024 based on the most obvious horror trope, and it's so fucking good. Like, for to make a don't go in there in 2024 and it worked this well is incredible. I forgot to mention Hugh Grant did a heel turn in Dungeons and Dragons as well. Did I forget to mention that? I did. It was fun, or did I just leave that out because I haven't seen Dungeons and Dragons either? You should. It's actually not as you think it would be. It's a little scary. Do I have to play Dungeons and Dragons to get it? Because I've never played it.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:39

I've never played Dungeons and Dragons. I have. It was 80s. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:43

I don't mind that you have.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:45

D and Dan and Lancey.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:46

All right. Who is the dumbest character?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:49

Your mom's.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:50

We're gonna insult someone. No one.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:53

Maybe don't go in there.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:54

Maybe Elder?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:56

Maybe the elder? For nothing. He's the only one.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:00

We didn't mention that. He comes back twice. He does come back. He still doesn't think.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:03

But I'd be remiss if I didn't give you this book.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:06

This pamphlet. This pamphlet. That's why he came back. There was no stupid people in this movie, so it has to be him. The elder? The elder. I mean, he still is going house to house, and I'm sure. And he's doing a smart thing. He's backtracking. From their their last appointment all the way down until he gets to the last person they saw. And I think when he goes to the next appointment they had after Hugh Grant and they say yes, they were here, then he calls the police and he has to go back to Hugh Grant.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:38

Yeah, I mean the police would, but Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:41

I mean that one couple he asked, like, no, they they didn't make it. And then he goes to the next one, which was Hugh Grant.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:47

I think it's if they did a prequel to this, I think that's probably happened. Right. I think it's perfect to leave it alone, even though we don't.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:58

It was an ambiguous ending, like a there's no stupid people in this movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:02

Except the girls for pants and her. Yeah, fuck those girls. But they're actually girls are mean, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:08

Girls are mean. Girls are so mean. Sorry. Alright, what we got? What's the body count here, guys? Three? Four? Four. Nope. Three. Three. Three. I believe it's three. Oh, I'm sorry. That is not correct. Well, it's it's ambiguous. Barnes, Reed, and one profit, right? Unless we count Paxton, right? What I'm seeing is one. Okay, so they list Mr. Barnes died of Lou Gehrig's disease off screen. That doesn't count. That doesn't count. Everyone died off screen. A billion. The prophet died by suicide by eating the blueberry pie. Right. Blueberry disease. Yep. Sister Barnes. Two.

unknown 1:32:52

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:52

Why are they saying that? They say died from E. coli after eating Taco Bell medically revived. Well, that doesn't matter. Technically. Technically, she did. Then they're also saying her again having blood out after having a part of her throat slit with the box cutter. So they're calling they're saying they're saying the prophet, then Sister Barnes, then Mr. Reed, maybe Paxton. And then maybe Paxton. So I'm going to say it's three. With four being ambiguous. I mean, if we're going to count Sister Barnes three times. No.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:23

It would have to be three times for Barnes. Yeah, I'm not counting. No. If you count the Taco Bell, the throat slash, and then the inevitable last death.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:30

Succumbing to her wounds for a second time. Get out of here. Kill count wiki. So I'm saying it's three, possibly four, depending on the image of the five.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:38

I'm saying three because I don't know how to three. She was still upright. I think she made a butterfly. You know, she was she's lost a lot of blood. Her mind's doing crazy shit. She saw a butterfly. She's good. She's good.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:52

Yeah. We got after body count, the gore score. What are you guys giving us for a gore score? Do we count vomiting? Wet. There's blood vomit. Yeah. There's stabbing. There's throat slashing. Gross pie eating. Finger snipped off. There's a vein hooked. Yeah. There's digging, there's fingering someone's bicep. Four. Five. There's a box cutter to the gut.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:15

I go six. I mean, stabbing is horrible. That's hot. Stabbing is bad. Slicing.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:21

I'm going six for me. I mean, are we counting what she did to that pie? It was gross. Yeah. I'm counting it. All right. Four or five for me. I'll go five. I'll talk myself up to five. I'm thinking four. I can't go up to six.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:34

We'll go five in the middle. You want to go five? We'll go five. Do we want to look at other things we've recently done to see if we need to adjust it?

SPEAKER_03 1:34:45

Or you think we're we're good with five? I don't I think this was before the pod, but this is definitely the I'm gonna say this was the headiest film we've reviewed. I don't know about if you guys agree or not, but as far as well-written script and everything, I'm gonna say this was probably the best made of the bunch. I mean, it's tough, tough because the thing was awesome for other reasons, and right, but like as far as dialogue and just capture like a camera on somebody's face for five straight minutes or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:15

And like you said, you're watching this at a minute at an hour and fifty, and you're not like this is too long.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:20

No, exactly. Is this movie gorier than Scream? Yes, yes, yeah, really, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:30

No, because we were stabbing each other in the kitchen, yeah. Screaming and breaking.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:34

Scream we gave a five. I'm going to go. That's why I'm thinking this is like a four. Four and a half.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:39

Give my seat to Atticus right now. Actually, maybe he can pick up on the same mic. Yeah, it'll be alright. We'll see what happens. Move that around.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:48

Yeah, I think that that's a Lego.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:52

Can I be heard now? Am I all good?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:55

No, you can't ever. Are we picking him up? Because I can't. He's too close to me. I can't hear him. So they have to go. No, I can hear him.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:02

You're good, Addict. Anyway. So where are we at? Gore score. Is this gorier than Scream? No. Is this gorier than Bromstoker's Dracula?

unknown 1:36:13

Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:14

We gave that a maybe. I don't think it's gorier than Bromstoker's Dracula. I think it's on par. It's just a different type of gory.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:22

I didn't watch Dracula, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:24

So you'd like certain parts of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:30

So, I mean, I I if we give it a five, okay, but I can't go, I definitely can't go higher than that. I yeah. I'll settle on that. I almost want to say 4.5, but if we want to say five, I'll I'll go five.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:43

Five.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:44

It's just a pot. It's a five. 55 burgers, 55 fries, 55 shakes, 55 coats.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:48

I'm doing something. Let me through, let me through.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:51

All right. Atticus. Before we get to fun facts and our horror hall of fame, what are your thoughts on Heretic? Atticus is our resident young person who's uh now joining us on the pod as he usually does. I feel like you haven't been on in a little while.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:09

Well, one episode, two episodes, two episodes. You know, I'm a busy guy, hard to get me on the phone. Yeah. I got stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:21

Yeah, you gotta jerk for a boss who makes you work too much. I know.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:27

So this is my number one horror movie. Number one?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:31

Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:32

Has it always been? So the first time I watched this, it's changed my opinions. So like the first time I watched it, it was already a number one. Really? So Scream has always been a number like so Scream is like franchise-wise, uh-huh, number one, but like single movie, this is my single-handed movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:50

So outside of a franchise, then okay, because I thought Scream was your number one and like Cabin in the Woods was like number two, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:37:57

Yeah, like roughly, yeah, roughly around there.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:00

And yeah, I did not know this wasn't up there.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:02

Okay. This is on my Mount Rush. Oh, okay. I think I if I think I said it before, but like it's like this Heretic, Scream, Quiet Place, Cabin in the Woods.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:14

Quiet Place, that was the other one. Yeah, I thought Saul was up there for some reason for you. Because it's on yours? No, that one's not on my Mount Rush more. Probably on my sister's. Maybe, maybe that's what it was. Yeah. All right. So this is on your Mount Rush core, then. Yeah. Why why do you have it so hot? I just wait. So I used to not really like psychological. Is it the charming Hugh Grant?

SPEAKER_04 1:38:38

Oh, probably amazing in this film. He is by far like I would say the carrying part. Like he's what carries this film to where it is, probably. He he really is amazing in it.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:51

I I don't I think he was a number one, but the women in this movie really carried their own weight.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:00

This was not a we're just gonna tag along, see how Hugh makes everything good. This is like Justin just came out. Atticus was just saying that uh Hugh Grant was the star of the show.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:15

That Hugh Grant was the driving force, and but we asked him why he this is on his Mount Rush score and why he loves it so much, and Hugh Grant's a big reason for it. And I agree. This I I want to see Hugh Grant now do like a Tarantino movie. Like I don't like I don't I don't watch like rom-coms, I have not seen the ones he's been in. I want to see Hugh Grant like continue to go off book and do like crazy shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:39

I'm for that.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:41

Yeah, I feel like no like in my mind, no one else could play this role. I feel like this I agree. Like Hugh Grant just did such a good job that I don't think anyone could have played it.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:51

I mean, there's other charming actors that can maybe Clooney that that can command that that can have a commanding presence. Who?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:58

Cranston, maybe no, yeah, John Ham.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:01

I think John Hamm could they all could Clooney, they all could, but Hugh Grant did so so so good at this. Yeah, so good. Yeah. Like John Ham could do it, but I mean there's there's a lot of people that could do it, but it's like it's it's great that Hugh Grant can do it when he's so used to being seen as one certain thing. Right. Those other guys we're talking about have already veered out of their lane to do other stuff outside the box.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:27

I don't think John Ham could have been as disarming with some of the like the mistakes he was making, right? Like the blueberries disease wouldn't have come out the same. True. Or the the improv where you mentioned his favorite. You're right about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:42

And that's where Hugh is like even kind of person, you know, like I said, cloney, but he would not have been as disarming and charming as Hugh Grant. What improv? I didn't hear about the improv.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:54

So you guys can't pick me up, but I was so the there was one, a couple of improv scenes where he was talking about Monopoly, and he's like, Everybody's got their favorite character. I won't tell you what mine is, and then he goes, Meow, meow, improv. Oh, there was improv? Nice.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:11

That'd be good.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:12

There's not a cat in Monopoly, there's a dog.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:14

No, there's a cat.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:15

No. There's a car, all right. Google. There's a car, top hat, shoe, ship, dog.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:23

And cat.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:24

No, there's no cat. There's no I'm gonna find out right now. I'll just keep going.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:28

There's a niche and a knife. Oh, Jesus and a uh gun.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:33

Nope. Top hat, shoe, dog, car, ship.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:38

And cat.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:39

There's not a cat.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:40

There's no cat. What's the sixth one?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:43

There's not a train.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:44

Tokens in Monopoly are the guy on the horse, the cannon, the iron, the wheelbarrow, the car, the thimble, the ship, the shoe, the top hat, and the dog.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:56

There's way more than I thought. Yeah, there's no cat.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:57

There's no cat. There's no cat.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:59

I mean, but that's way more tokens than I remember.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:01

Maybe there's newer like monopolies.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:03

Well, there are like 80 versions of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:05

He's a classic Monopoly guy. Bob Ross Monopoly.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:08

Then why would he meow?

SPEAKER_01 1:42:09

He got it wrong. Shrek 2 Monopoly.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:12

Martyr's Monopoly.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:14

When he went meow, I didn't, I wasn't like, oh, that's not right. There's no meow, there's no cat token.

unknown 1:42:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:21

Anyway. It did like go over my head, and then as soon as you brought it up again, I'm like, wait, there's no cat. Anyway, where are we? Anywho. Cats. Um, oh yeah, we we we brought Atticus in right before we get to a couple of the fun facts, which I there wasn't many I could find, but most of them we talked about. Sophie Thatcher and Chloe East were raised Mormon. They could speak well about the religion, but they're no longer practicing Mormons. Hugh Grant, he did an interview about not wanting to be typecast anymore, and that's why Scott Beck and Brian Woods, after hearing this, wrote this part with him in mind, pitched it to him. The address of the house is 237, which is the same room that Danny is not to enter in the shining. So there's that. Do you guys know any practicing Mormons or ex-Mormons? I knew.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:07

I think my piano teach my old piano teacher was a Mormon.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:12

Oh, one of my sons Logan's friends was a Mormon and his family were Mormons. I've known a few Mormons in my day.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:18

The good thing I've never met like an angry Mormon. They always seem nice. That might be part of the motto, and I'm like, hey, whatever they're doing, I don't need to understand what you do, but you know, you're making some nice people.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:32

I had a friend who was Mormon and her family. I mean, they're all really nice people then and great, but they weren't practicing Mormons. But so I but I heard about some of the stuff. So sometimes they would try to like abide by, but they'd also like drink alcohol. I I I remember as a Ravens fan, and you know, he's a popular guy, but Todd Heath, former Ravens tight end, was Mormon. And I mean, he's still a fan favorite, everyone loves him, he's in the ring of honor, but he's a guy that he missed a lot of games due to injury, and I think it a lot of people attributed that to like, well, he doesn't take painkillers, and in the NFL, like people would get tordol shots just to like get through three hours of getting your brain beat in, setting all patches, and and he's like, Nope, not taking that. I'm just I'm out this game. Like, he's like, keep those medications away from me. So, like, doesn't take Advil, doesn't take a leave, doesn't take Tylenol, definitely wouldn't put a needle in his knee to be able to make it through a three-hour game, like you know, numb his leg up or whatever. So Sean Bradley. Was he Mormon too? He had to do like is he the biggest Mormon ever? Yes, literally, because he's seven foot seven.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:48

Wasn't Jim McMahon, BYU grad, Bears, Super Bowl winning quarterback, Mormon as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:54

I guess if you can go to BYU, are you automatically Mormon? There's no like scholarships for Christians.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:00

There are yeah, it's a common well.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:04

I I do know that there was a basketball player that went to BYU, I want to say seven or eight, nine years ago, kicked off the basketball team because they caught him having sex. There you go. And they're like, nope, can't do that. You're out. Worst recruiting ever. I know. And then what was the other one? Steve Young is actually like related to Brigham Young of Brigham Young BYU. Of the Brigham Young University. No, Brigham Young, BYU University neither Brigham Young. Right. But Steve Young is like Brigham Young is his like great great great grandfather or something.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:40

Did you not learn this from the Book of Mormon the musical? Like the South Park stuff? Yeah, yeah, pay attention, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:47

Anywho, so those are uh just some of the fun facts. Anything else about Mormonism, guys? No. All right, horror hall of fame. Is the directors here hall of fame or Scott Beck and Brian Woods? No, not yet, I think, but we'll see if they stay in this lane. I mean, at least as a duo, they're they're putting stuff out, and the fact that they've got writing credits on a quiet place and haunt some of the and you like haunt. I mean, they're they're in this lane, but yeah, not yet. Not yet.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:20

As much as we like this movie, and if I'm a voting member on this, I don't know if I can forgive them for 65. So you really don't like 65, do you?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:29

What are you 65? Dinosaurs. It was such a good concept, and they ruined it. It was hopeful.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:36

I'll have to see it. I like Adam Driver a lot. I'll have to check it out even if you didn't like it. I Logan Lucky is amazing. I love Logan Lucky.

unknown 1:46:45

For sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:46

You just say cauliflower to me. 65 was an action movie, and I fell asleep.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:54

So that sucks. Hard to make a dinosaur movie, probably, if it's not titled Jurassic Park.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:00

Just gonna say Land of the Lost, checkbait.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:06

How about mortal villain here, our killer? Is Mr.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:11

Reed a Hall of Famer? I don't think he would be recognizable. I like I like the character, but I wouldn't recognize him.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:18

I kind of would think I would insult Hugh Grant.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:21

He was a great puppet master in this, but yeah, I don't think it's enough.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:26

No. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah, I don't think I don't think it's enough, but as much as we love the performance, it's not Hall of Fame level. Our protagonists, Barnes and or Paxton. Hall of Fame worthy?

SPEAKER_01 1:47:42

They're so good, but I loved them both, but I'm with Charlie.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:46

Sounds like he's reluctantly saying that.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:48

Yeah, I mean it's a light horror. Yeah. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:54

Yeah. It's like Paxton figures it out, but she's still fucked. You know?

SPEAKER_01 1:48:00

Right. And Barnes gives us Columbo. Oh, yeah. Paxton gives us the Columbo moment. But but Barnes does her own little Columbo moments.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:09

And yeah, but no, nothing. Without Barnes kind of saying, let's push back. Let's let's not go along with what he wants. That's what he's expecting. I think that kind of give her gave her the shot in the arm that she needed. But anyway, yeah, not Hall of Fame. You got some props though.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:26

Movie props. Let's nominate our movie props for the Hall of Fame. Any blueberry candle. The blueberry candle. I was gonna say the model house. The model house for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:37

How about the letter opener? No. I don't know if the letter opener is recognizable, but you can go on Bob Ross Monopoly. Yeah, you can go on A24's website right now and order a blueberry candle. It's actually on back order. But yeah, I've been trying to get one for a while, but yeah, it's super cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:54

So the blueberry candle to you is the pieces puzzle to me. Yes. What about the I mean it's not Hall of Fame worthy, but I wonder if there's a copy of the Landlord game out there. I like games. Probably on eBay. I kind of want that game after seeing this. I wonder if that's out there somewhere still.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:15

Of the four of us at the table, Mike is the biggest board game guy at the table, just for background, guys. He has played. Am I? You've played so many games. I've played a lot of board games too. I'm talking okay. How about the the ones that take two hours to set up? That type of board game, that's Mike's jam. I like Scythe. That is my jam. Like what? Scythe.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:39

This the box is like 25 pounds. It's heavy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:42

Every time I play it, it's like I get 175 pounds.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:46

Me and uh Mary Marie and uh another couple friends of ours did the what do you call it, legacy game version of Scythe, where it's like eight chapters. So we got together eight times to do a chapter. Chapter each time, and by like the sixth chapter, Mary Mary was like, Are we fucking done? What about the cones of Bench Fire? Yeah, it's it's like it's like uh yeah, she's just kind of like, I'm not gonna win, I don't want to play anymore. Like, we got two more chapters. It's like Jesus fucking Christ. That sounds really fun. And it's so cool because you can just the re the replayability, you win. The replayability is there. You can do it again, you can choose your own adventure, you can play with airships or not. You can leave that expansion pack out if you want. Like, it's it's fun, it's a good time. We can do it. No, Mary Marie's probably out, but this episode brought to you by Science for. Never mind the fact that it takes like 45 minutes to set up the game before you even start playing.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:46

Before you set it up, it says watch this 40-minute video. No shit. It's there's a video for you to watch before you even try to read the book.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:54

There's there's there is, and it helps, but it doesn't tell you to watch that. But if you try to set this up without going to YouTube, you're not gonna set it up right. So it's strongly recommended. It's strongly recommended, yes. Oh all right, guys. Any final thoughts on heretic? No, I think we've covered everything. Maybe five out of five. This is one of the five out of five? Yeah, all right. Five out of five stars. Charlie, you think would you give it at the beginning? Um I said seven out of ten. Justin said nine. I said eight, I think, maybe eight, seven, eight, nine.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:32

That's why six was afraid of seven. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:35

I thought that's why ten was afraid of seven, because seven, eight, nine, and ten is the next one in line. Right. Both of them are afraid of seven. Both both of both of these.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:45

Both of these.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:46

Our nobody's nuts. Our next host is Justin. Justin, do you are you ready with your pick?

SPEAKER_03 1:51:54

I am ready with my pick. I um I took a page out of Mike's book, and Mike kind of Martyrs the remake. Yes, here we go. No, he brought up why he chose a movie recently, Chopping Mall. And I was like, you know what? I need to do a fun, shorter one that we can kind of just have a little bit of fun with, and it's not gonna be two and a half hours. So I chose Demon Knight. Tales from the Crypt presents from the Crypt. Demon Knight. Billy F and Zane, guys. Billy fucking Zane. In his best. So this is one that I I think my son would like a lot. So no comment otherwise, but yippee.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:37

Yeah, so that's what I picked. Does that exist? Do you know what Tales from the Crypt is? No idea. No idea. Raise them wrong. No, you're not. But but you should seek it out. You should seek it out. What's it on? We talked about it, I think, before. It's not like on HBO.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:53

It was an HBO show, but it's not on HBO. So we actually own the movie Demon Knight, so I will have a way, but how did you find it? We it was a Prime 299 type of thing?

SPEAKER_01 1:53:04

Something like that. I'm sure it's out there somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:07

We'll figure it out. What is get out? We'll figure out where it's a psychological film, like get out. Oh, well, I thought Tales from the Crypt. That's there's something in there called Get Out. No, where are you getting Get Out from? Who said Get Out?

SPEAKER_03 1:53:21

I think Mike said you should you should seek it out.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:23

Seek it out. Seek it out. Yes, seek it out.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:25

Oh, see get out.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:27

Well, yeah, you should see get out if you haven't, but you should also seek out Tales from the Crypt. Seek the television program. Seek it out.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:39

It's like that game where you have a card, like where you have to read it and they have to figure out what you're trying to say. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:45

Alright. So Tales from the Crypt presents Demon Knight by Justin. Will be our next film that we're going to review. May bring down my aggregate score with the fans, but uh who knows? Such a good one. I'm gonna have to watch it. I haven't seen this one. I'm gonna have to watch it. Yeah, it's a first-time watch from Mike. I'm so excited. I mean, Tales from the Crypt was something that I saw when I was like at when it was in syndication. I didn't I did not get to see it on HBO in all its glory with the blood and the guts and the boobs and the curse words. But they re- they took the HBO show and put it on like Fox at like 12:30 in the morning, cut down from 40 minutes to 29, and that's where I got to see Tales from the Crypt. And you know, when you're like 12. Yeah, so that's where I got to see it. But so yeah, I'm gonna have to check this one out. I'm gonna have to peep this. Peep it, yo. All right, guys. Thank you for listening to the All Guts podcast. If you like what we do here, best thing you can do for us is rate and review wherever you get your podcasts. Justin is motioning because he wants to say one more thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:50

No, I was wondering if you were gonna kick say anything to Nicole again.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:54

Well, can you let me happy birthday? Thanks.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:57

I script out the closing so I don't miss anything important. Makes one of us. Jeez. Geez. Anyway, if you listen on Spotify, make sure you follow us so that you don't miss your favorite horror movies being broken down by us. Follow us on Instagram at all got so gorypod. Drop us some fan mail in the link of all of our show notes if you have a movie request or something you want us to talk about. Not sure if we'll have a mini episode coming out this Thursday, but check out Demon Night next week. For Justin, for Charlie, for Atticus. Happy birthday, Nicole. This is all got so gory. This was Heretic. Andy, take us home.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:38

This is the end friend.