Serial Mom (1994) John Waters at the Peak of his Power | Mike's Picks

In honor of the "Pope of Trash", John Waters' recent 80th birthday, Mike just had to pick one from the Baltimore legend. Whether you like the underground Waters pictures of Multiple Manics, Pink Flamingos, or his Hollywood produced Cry Baby, Pecker, everyone loves Serial Mom. Gone are the days of prank callers. But with true crime having never been bigger, you could say this film was ahead of its time. 

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Serial Mom is written and directed by John Waters, and stars Kathleen Turner, Sam Waterston, Matthew Lillard, Ricki Lake, Mink Stole, Patricia Hearst, and Traci Lords.

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SPEAKER_03 0:01

Coming up next, one for my Baltimore friends, a John Waters classic starring Kathleen Turter, Sam Waterston, and Charlie's favorite actress, Chesty Morgan. All guts so gory presents. Serial Mom, serial mom, serial mom, serial mom, serial mom.

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The small Baltimore suburb. Keeps getting smaller. And smaller.

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It's been a crazy day.

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The burning question is the burning question.

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Welcome to the All Guts. Our conversation today is on the John Waters classic Serial Mom. I'm Mike, joined as always by Justin and Charlie. Welcome, guys. When this episode drops, John Waters will have celebrated his 80th birthday about a month ago. Happy birthday to the pencil mustached man himself. Pencil thin mustache. As a Baltimore native myself, just like Mr. Waters, he's from where I hail from. He's someone's very beloved in the Northeast. He's beloved in Hollywood. He earned his star on the Walk of Fame in 2023. And he's got two films in the Library of Congress for being culturally, culturally significant. Yet I feel like now that I live in a flyover state, I mention John Waters and people say, who? Who? Roger Waters? John Hughes?

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Right.

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John Heard. Never heard of him. Maybe they've seen Crybaby because it's a Johnny Depp film, but didn't know it was a John Waters film. But just I don't know. Flyover states, I don't think he gets the credit he deserves. Maybe I'm wrong on that. Maybe it's just a small sample size of people I talked to. We'll get into that a little bit with you guys here. But part of the reason I picked Serial Mom, besides loving this movie, was for Waters' 80th birthday, but also to put some respect on his name for the 30 people who might listen to this and might not know John Waters. So 12 people. Charlie, I know you don't care so much about who makes the chili. We've talked about that before on this pod, but is John Waters a name you've ever been familiar with? Never seen his films before. Recognize him if you've seen them. He's an activist, also an actor as well. No, I have no idea who he is. Really? No idea. See, this is what I mean. You're from Louisiana, right? Yeah. You've been all around, but now you're in the flyover states. Never heard of him, right? Never heard of him. Seen crybaby, though? Seen crybaby. Hairspray? Hairspray. Cecil be Demented. Have you seen that one? I think so. Okay. Pink Flamingos?

SPEAKER_02 3:47

No.

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Yeah. No. He's got a style. I will put it that way. He has a very unique style. Very unique. Very interesting individual. Right. For sure. You know, Justin, I same kind of question I just asked Charlie. I've mentioned his name to you before. I think you were like, yeah, I don't know that I've seen any of his work. Like he's a little weird. I've seen obviously Hairspray and I've seen Sirium before as well. So yeah, I mean, I don't know if I'd say I'm a fan, but I appreciate people going against the grain and doing stuff that's uh unique. So hats off to Mr. Waters. Yeah, definitely. And he co-starred in a uh Lonely Island video called The Creek. He did. He did. He's multi-talented. So I I want to bring some people up to speed on John Waters before we get into the movie and kind of move the director conversation right to the top here. So a little bit about John Waters. As a kid, his parents said that when he was a kid, he was always drawn to the villains in movies. Like he wanted to be Captain Hook, not Peter Pan, right? He he would also climb up on a hill and watch gore movies at the drive-in uh through binoculars with no sound. So that was something he was into. He would go to beg his mom to go to the junkyard to see cra crashed cars and hope to find some some blood or some evidence and like wonder what happened in there. And he was that kind of kid. Those were the things that inherited. Sounds like chip in this movie. A little bit. Maybe the chip-like. Yeah, a little bit. As I read some of this about his background, I watched a documentary this week on him. I was thinking that myself. Yeah. Once he got older, he got really into true crime. So much so that he would go and travel the country to sit in murder trials. He said it was the next best thing to going to the theater. It was practically theater sitting in, and it is. And you like some of the biggest movies out there are courtroom dramas. Courtroom is basically theater. Attorneys prepare scripts, they they prepare how they're going to say it. It's not just words, they act, right? Yeah. And we get a courtroom scene, trial scene in this movie in series. Unbelievable one.

SPEAKER_02 5:51

I'm sure it's pretty, pretty accurate.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

Totally. Definitely. There's like one objection the whole time to everything going on. Right. Yeah. But the line in that in that trial scene where the one lady says the other, like, didn't I see you at Hinckley? That was because Waters went to the Hinckley trial. He went to the Patty Hurst trial, who she stars in this film. Uh, he took his parents to the Watergate trial. He was really who was Patty Hurst in this one. Jur Juror number eight. Oh. White shoes. White shoes. Yeah. That was Patty Hurst.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Yeah, that kind of looks like her.

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So then John Waters, when he went, so when he gets into filmmaking, he went to film school in New York, he bought an eight millimeter camera, started making underground movies, just shooting whatever. He wanted to make people laugh, give them some shock value for their money, rent out like the basement of churches to show his movies in the middle of the night and charge a little bit for them. He dropped out of college rather quickly when he realized that in two semesters of film school, you would end up making one 15-minute short film. And he's like, I can do all on a topic that's not of your choosing. And he's basically like, I want to make what I want, how I want, the way I want it, and not pay all this money to go to film school. So he dropped out. So every time that these underground places would show these films, he, you know, underground films would always push the limits of obscenity laws. So every time they would show these films, you're you're flirting with getting thrown in jail. It would be word of mouth that would get people into these things, it'd be little leaflets, little pamphlets. It wouldn't be up on a marquee or anything like that, or or you know, so some directors like Kenneth Anger, Russ Meyer, Andy Warhol, or some of these directors that made these underground films that often had real sexual acts in them, and that's the low end of the debauchery. He's you know, but bestiality is in some of these films. Oh yeah, can you describe that for the audience? Well, I'm good. Jesus Christ. Thanks for the soundboard, Charlie. John Waters' big break was with Pink Flamingos in 1972. You guys familiar with Pink Flamingo? I have not seen Pink Flamingos, not seen, yeah. It's not streaming anywhere right now, but it was one that I when Netflix still sent DVDs through the mail, when I first signed up on Netflix and was able to get a disc, I pulled went through John Waters' filmography and got all of them. And having already seen Serial Mom and Crybaby and stuff like that, but went through and got his earlier stuff, his pink flamingos, his multiple maniacs. That's it, that's public education stuff in Maryland, like in Baltimore. Okay, gotcha. They just make you watch it. The city that reads, man. The wire. So yeah. I like imagine. I think I've seen just hairspray, serial mom, pecker, and Cecil Vade demented. Yeah. So you you've seen the Hollywood ones. You haven't seen the underground ones. Pink flamingos they shot for 200 bucks. Anything after they ran out of the money. How much? 200 bucks. Wow. And after they ran out of the 200 bucks, they would steal whatever they needed to make the rest of the film. Yeah. They got it into the Baltimore Film Festival, and night after night after night, it sold out. It ended up getting a wider release in 1973 because it sold out. This is where it got some nationwide notoriety. Variety magazine, if we talked about on this podcast, called it the most vile, stupid, and repulsive film ever made. And Waters loved that review so much they used it in the ad to promote the movie. Nice. Because if somebody says that, some people may be like, I got I'm gonna go see it. I wanted to go see it after I heard that. Anything that has like a superlative, like you're like, okay, is this the goriest? Is this the most vile? Yeah. Let me be the judge. So Pink Flamingos is in the Library of Congress for being culturally significant, and is about two families that aspire to be the most most filthy, vile families. The competing family against the main character Divine and her family. They kidnap pregnant women, they sell their babies to lesbian couples, they sell heroin to kids. In the climax of the movie, this divine, it's star, a man in drag, eats actual dog shit to hold the title of the filthiest. Champ champ person. Right there, he wins. She wins the Osborne bullshit right there. And then after that, so in the in the behind the scenes to that, after they did that, they called like the hospital right away and was like, I accidentally ate dog shit. Like what or my kid accidentally ate dog shit. Do I have to worry about anything? And they're like, Oh no, he'll just get white worms for a few days. And they were like, But otherwise you'll be fine. Yeah. Right? Like, come on, make some fake dog shit. Like, you can make some chocolate looks like that. That costs money, man. They followed this dog around that was on set, somebody's dog. That was still took manpower. Like, how do you choke that down, though? Well, to get it it got in the Library of Congress, man. That is how you get in. That's how you get in. You gotta lick that white dog shit. Yeah. At Water's Peak, it's probably the film we're covering today. Serial Mom. It's his third straight movie he'd make in the Hollywood system after Hairspray, after Cry Baby. Hollywood loved him because he could easily work within the confines of a budget, because he used to work on little to no budget. He could deliver on time, and he works really well with actors. He's got a stable of actors that appear in most of his movies, if not all of them. And some of them at this point, you know, just Patty Hurst is in a number of them, Tracy Lord's is in a number of them. Mink Stoll is in like every name. Ricky Lake, yeah. After Serial Mom, you mentioned it, Justin Pecker, Cecil Be Demented, A Dirty Shame was his last feature film in 2004. He cited that indie films had a safety net of DVD sales, but now that physical media has fallen by the wayside, streaming doesn't pay adequately, and he feels like he's stuck in the middle. He's not being asked to make, you know, here's $100 million, go make a blockbuster, but he's not making low budget indies. Like, hey, can you make for half a million bucks? Like, he's not doing that either. The budget, I think, for CROM was like $13 million or something. They don't really do those anymore. And he's not, you know, at 80 now, I don't think he's interested in doing that anymore. He's always been an activist for the rehabilitation of murderers. He said on a Charlie Rose episode that you hate to judge someone on one bad day. There are exceptions, like Dahmer, of course. Right. But he would teach writing classes in prisons as a way of therapy for the inmates doing time for murder. Some of them he considers friends to this day. Some of the girls from the Manson family, he's lobbied to get them pardoned because of the brainwashing aspect of it. Similar to Patty Hearst, he was lobbied to get her, you know, release and her pardon was part of that activism to get to get her freed. And you know, it's something he cares very deeply about. So he's activist, director, writer, producer, author, actor, just and Mike's best friend. And just an all-around super interesting guy. And happy birthday to him. So now let's talk about serial mom. Are you guys ready? I thought we were doing a different episode today. I was just I just wanted to move up the John Waters talk right to the beginning. Because it's that deserved, and he's that interesting. I think people should look up videos about him and read about him. He's just a fascinating guy. He's not just another director, you know. Fascinating, fascinating guy. So, Justin, you mentioned you saw Serial Mom. Did you see this in theaters in your little town? Or did you see it as the family video and pick it up? I think we this might have been a like a family watch kind of thing when I was younger. What year was this? 80. Yeah, so it would have been a VHS probably from a bloke blockbuster or something. But yeah, we watched it as a family. It stood out definitely as a as a black comedy to me, more so than like a horror, like a traditional horror. But yeah, I didn't really think about it much afterwards. But upon this watch again, there was a lot of comedy that I appreciated. And there were some, there were some uh what am I looking for? There was some a little bit of deeper meaning, but not a ton in this one. Yeah, it's satire heavy, but there's also a little truth in there, right? Charlie, this was uh not this was your first watch.

SPEAKER_02 14:16

This was my first watch. I was never interested in watching this movie. Okay, I mean it just didn't look you know like something I'd be interested in, but I mean and and it definitely lived up to that expectation. Oh no, but it's not the worst movie, obviously. It's not objectively the worst movie that I have on any of my favorite movie lists.

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But but did you laugh? Did you find it funny? Did you understand it was satire? Yeah, they weren't trying to scare you, they weren't trying to get it. I may have chugged a couple times. Yeah, yeah. Well, I think not knowing some of Waters' background and what he's about could have played into that. Yeah, and I wasn't aware of some of the stuff, yeah. So some of the stuff like where the Stirners they're eating the little Cornish game hens, and there's like the close-up shot of them like sucking the bones dry, and it's all the juice. It's just like kind of gross being like that up and close in someone's mouth eating judges chicken, greasy chicken. Like and you know, she loved them birds, yeah. I mean that's that kind of stuff is his style, like the fly that they kill in the beginning, the the splatter, and they showed it. Oh, it looks like a raspberry jam or something. Yeah, like that's kind of like the gross stuff he kind of goes for in some of these, and you know, I think you know what whatever it was in the kill with Carl, like a spleen that pulls out on the fire poker and shit. Liver something like liver, like a little livery, yeah, something like that. But he won't he wants to give like a kill and then like something funny about it, you know? Okay, it's kind of his thing. Yeah, like I said, this one took place in the Baltimore suburbs and in downtown Baltimore in some parts, so near and dear to my heart for that reason. Did they shoot that they shot there too? Yeah, everything is shot in Baltimore. No, no, this was Hollywood, no soundstage. So you probably recognize some things they were referring to. I recognize a lot of it. So hammerjacks where they go to the the the the rock uh the rock bar where the concert's going on. Camel lips, camel lips. I was like, damn, at least get it right, guys. Come on now. Yeah, so that was I mean, that was a real bar, it's not there anymore, but it was a real rock concert. Yeah, because somebody got burned to death there. Well, yeah, Scotty here, whatever. They later knocked it down to make more parking for when they built the Raven Stadium uh right across the street from that location. They built a new location on the other side of town, I think, and it just I don't think it did so well. It turned from like the rock club into like just a generic nightclub. Mike is wearing his Ravens hat for this event. I am so and his Maryland crab shirt, too. That's right. It's all Maryland back then. Yeah, baby. So yeah, Hammerjacks, real place. Anyone who's anyone that was like up and coming in music in the 70s, 80s, they they played hammer jacks. Joan Jett shot the I Love Rock and Roll video at Hammerjacks. Guns N' Roses played there, Kit Iron Maiden played there a lot. I don't know if you know anything about Iron Maiden, but all of their album covers are covered in Easter eggs and little things you can find. One of their album covers has the hammerjacks neon sign hidden hidden in it. So it was a big deal. Hammerjacks was a big deal. This one is for your Baltimore friends. It is. And then Towson High School, where Chip goes, is where he would have gone based on where the house is located. The Towson Courthouse is literally the Towson Courthouse in Towson. The shopping center where Dottie steals the parking spot. That shopping center was literally like three minutes away from where uh Mary Mary Marie and I bought our first house down the street from where we were. So, like recognize that right away. It's a lot of stuff. The video store is on Cold Spring Lane that Chip works at. It's now a Smoothie King. But that was the video store that John Waters would go to to rent movies. It's a real video store, and now it's not. Dollar if you don't rewind it, man. I know crazy. A lot. Yeah. So a lot of stuff culturally relevant to the Baltimore area. And if you're from Baltimore, familiar with Baltimore and you haven't seen this, you you may recognize some stuff, you may not, because again, this is 32 years old now. It's disappointed that I didn't hear any of those Baltimore accents that you've not gonna, I'm not I'll get there. I'll get there. I mean, in the movie, I just didn't pick up a lot of them. Don't worry, I'll get there. Okay, okay. I'll get there. No, and that's one of the things and not everyone in Baltimore has it. Like I don't feel like I have it, but there's definitely some people that do have it. Gotcha. But so at this time, 1994 or 1994 was kind of the time that I think horror was in a slump, I think we can agree on. Yeah, not many good horror movies coming out. I'm not saying serial mom did anything special for the genre. It's also more comedy and satire with little bits of horror tied in, a little blood and guts, but it's not really, really like a classic horror movie. It's a serial killer movie, but supposed to make you laugh. Like the emphasis is on the comedy part. It's the prequel to American Psycho, right? Okay. Maybe. Same thing, right? I'm gonna pull a plug on your mic. But you know, if you didn't know what year it was and this movie's happened to be on, you could probably pick out that it's the 90s based on some of the outfits, the onset of true crime, the the recycling jokes, like do you recycle, you know, and people being all mad that you know if you didn't, and landline phones, shit like that. You could probably guess where we were. True crime stuff, like America's Most Wanted, was a big TV show at the time. We watched the OJ trial play out on live TV not long after this movie came out. Two months after the movie came out is when the OJ Chase took place. So, you know, a lot of true crime stuff just kind of happening right around this time. Also, other huge movies about murders and subsequent quiet trials like A Time to Kill, Primal Fear, Kiss the Girls, Along Came the Spider. The list goes on. They were all coming out in like '94, '95, '96 time period. All right. Let's get into the cast. Okay. Let's do it. Kathleen Turner plays mom. She's not right credited as Beverly Sutfin. She's mom, but she's Beverly Sutfin. She's serial mom. Yeah. Why her? John Waters said, Can't you imagine her killing somebody? Now again. She's got a chip on her shoulder, man. She was a big star in the 80s. She was perfect blend of talented dramatic actress and a sex symbol. Was she in both Jewel of the Nile and Romancing the Stone or just one of them? I know Romancing the Stone. I don't know the other one. Okay. But you know, back in the 80s, like she could have been a bigger star, but in the 80s, I mean, men were bigger dicks than they are today. And she was branded as one of those like difficult, yeah, hard to work with because she wanted equal things that the men got, not just pay, but her creative input to be valued. The men that she worked with, she felt like were giving notes to the director or the producer that would belittle her parts a little bit to make them a bigger star. And she didn't appreciate that because Michael Douglas would never she didn't get the same access to them or the same input, you know, taken seriously. Um, so she pushed back against some of her male co-stars that would try to manipulate things like that. She was a threat to men, so she didn't get to be as big as she possibly could have been. Apparently, in War of the Roses with Michael Douglas, they literally hated each other. Danny DeVito said in an interview. Wasn't it was it Jack or was it Michael Douglas? Michael Douglas. Danny DeVito directed the movie and said they weren't even acting, like the hate was literally real, like they could not stand each other. So have you now knowing that you watch that movie, it's like, wow, that's pretty wild. You know, other people they had in mind to for this role, they wanted to meet the rest of the cast first or table reason. And see if they had chemistry. Man, Waters didn't really have time for that, and Turner was like, love to do it. And so she got the part. Good. There you go. You know, you know, just other people wanted too much stuff or extras and riders and whatnot. Sam Waterston plays dad, plays Eugene Sutfin. He's dad. Don't want to gloss over him too much, but I can count on one hand how many Law and Order episodes I've watched. Are you serious? Yeah, I'm serious. I can count on like everybody in the house's hands, probably. I mean, I've watched so many episodes of Law and Order. I felt like it was like great. It was just kind of something that like, you know, my parents watched. So I'm like, oh, that's not cool. He was Nick in the Great Gatsby. He was in Grayson Frankie, a great Netflix series.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

Yeah. He was really good.

SPEAKER_03 22:46

Yeah, he was in the newsroom. He plays the guy that's the in he plays like the head of the news department who stands up for his staff, but is always fighting the corporate network baddies. Oh, yeah. I always enjoy Sam Watterston. Yeah. The new newsroom's good. Jeff Daniels and Aaron Sork in drama. It's good stuff. Matthew Lillard plays Chip, his first feature film role two years before Scream, which made him a household name. Also kind of stew-like, though, in this one. A little stew mocker-like as far as. He loves horror.

SPEAKER_02 23:17

I mean, he like everyone has mannerisms. No matter how good an actor you are. I'm just saying. It's really difficult to keep those mannerisms. The horror interest is what I'm saying. But I was looking at this and I was like, oh, I didn't never seen the movie before. I knew Kathleen Turner was in it. But then I saw, oh Matthew Lillard, he looks younger than like when he was in Screens. So this screen, so this is like maybe when he was a teenager. No, he's like 25. Playing a high school kid.

SPEAKER_03 23:43

He's great. He's getting it. He said that serial mom was ahead of its time. That as big as true crime is today, that it would be a huge hit if this came out today. Would you agree? If this came out. It's probably would do that.

SPEAKER_02 23:57

Maybe in the early 2000s, when I mean that was when like all the true crime was really coming out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:04

Movies about serial killers and stuff like that. But also like even 2010 and beyond. Well, yeah, you got 10 channels devoted to just like you know 48 hours or the next 48 hours or whatever. Casey Anthony trial, you've got Court TV, all these live trials. Court TV, ID network where it's like, you know, my my next door neighbor's a killer, or how did I survive this? Like stuff like that that my mom watches. Right. It was it was ahead of its time, but also very dated at the same time somehow. Like it's no doubt when this movie came out. Oh, and the podcast, like the true crime podcasts, or through the roof, I don't know if they still are, but I mean that was that was a huge outlet for for people to tell these stories and to get more stories out there and to get people to, if there were stories that they were unsolved, to get people to kind of be like, hey, like I should try to look in to try to help solve that. Like, you know, that kind of stuff. You get more reach that way. So now once podcasting got big, true crime got big in that way. I don't know. I think it'd be a bigger hit today than it would be 32 years ago. I think if they made something similar, I think people it would resonate with more people, I would say. But yeah, I don't know. And then Ricky Lake, she plays Misty. She got her big breaking hairspray, and then a larger role in Crybaby, the two John Waters flicks in Hollywood. Parlay that into some teen TV shows that I don't know anything about. China Beach, I don't know. But they've got her own talk show that ran from 93 to 2004 over 2,500 episodes. She must have lost like a hundred and fifty pounds between Crybaby and Serial Mom. Like she lost a ton of weight. Oh, was she heavy in Crybaby? Yeah, and that much and in hairspray. And I don't know if it wasn't a costume either. She was she was probably pretty short. Charles Barclay would think that she was from San Antonio and ate a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

Churros, double fist churros. Some big old terrible guys. Terrible. That's terrible.

SPEAKER_03 26:04

Terrible. Did you see the clip of Charles Barclay actually like apologizing? Like half-heartedly about it. He's like, so I got one of them churros. And ladies, I gotta apologize. Those things are so good. I know why you eat them two at a time. Like, Jesus. Charles is the best.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

When uh shout out Chuck. When Shaquille O'Neal got his master's degree when it was presented at LSU, he was like, he was introduced as Shaquille. I hate Charles Bark Barkley O'Neal.

SPEAKER_03 26:34

Oh man. But yeah. So Ricky Lake, she's in she does a great job in this. I love like all the little like flirting she does. Flirt with everybody. Just like it's so cameraman. Oh yeah. Thirsty as hell. Definitely. Couldn't even chew gum. Yeah. It's sugar free. So this movie was made on a $13 million budget. It only grows $7.8 million ahead of its time. I think it would do better, you know, this time. I think it would be a date. But still. Came out April 13th, 1994. Right around the time of Leprechaun 2 and Brain Scan. This is early 90s. No, brain scan's good. My guy Eddie Furlong's in that. Have you seen Brain Scan? The one where he plays the video game, and there's the guy with the weird like hair that comes out and tries to control him. Yep. Basically kills somebody in the video game, and it might have been in real life too. Yeah. I don't know. I'll have to go back and look. I'll probably see it. Not bad. He's gonna be a Justin or a Mike Pick. Episode 470. For a 13-year-old, I was like, that's the best idea I've ever heard of in my life. Like video drome. Right. Uh yeah, better than that. Video drum's the one like with the. I love Cronenberg, but Video Dr. Is that like that's the super sexual one, isn't it? Oh yeah, you don't really know what's real. Don't watch it with the kids, right? Yeah, no. It's a Cronenberg. You can't watch many Cronenbergs with the kids, I don't think. Alright. So yeah. The tagline for this every mom wants to be wanted, but not for murder one. Good. It's not bad. No, no. It's hot. Yeah. Not bad at all. You guys have any better ones? Maybe just part of her rant, uh, her part of her prank uh prank phone calls. This cereal comes with blood. Oh the only cereal I know about is Captain Crutch or whatever what she said, Rights Chris. Uh the radio. The reviews here. Rotten Tomatoes, or I'm sorry, Metacritic. 64. I'm in the green. Surprised.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

That's high. I'm surprised.

SPEAKER_03 28:36

It's really high. I think they understand John Waters a little bit. Tomato meter, 63% on Rotten Tomatoes. The fan score, 74%. Fans liked it more than the critics. Yeah. That means 26% of the fans didn't understand satire, apparently. Because this is 100% baby. 36%, then is what you're saying. 60% works every time. 100 minus 74 is 26. Oh, I thought you were talking about the critic score. No, that would be 37.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:06

In a row. I didn't go to math school. Variety. We know they're a very tough critic. They gave a 60 metacritic uh review on this. Said fun, almost endearing in its cheeky irreverence, provides chuckles and the occasional raised eyebrow. Yeah, and they and they snuck in the word cheeky. Cheeky. Yeah, right. It was it was fun, right? It was fun. Yeah. So I didn't mention earlier, and it's not it doesn't matter. John Waters is a gay man. The gays love John Waters. Divine is a is a drag queen from a lot of his earlier stuff. The gays love John Waters. The San Francisco Chronicle, perfect 100 review. No Metacritic Review. Yes, they did of Serial Mind. That's awesome. It's a very funny movie, perfectly paced. Like I said, not appreciated. Flyover States, St. Louis Post Dispatch, a 50. So they loved it in San Francisco and in St. Louis they didn't quite get it.

SPEAKER_02 30:05

Get this out of the way. I feel like you know, hearing that what describing John uh John Waters. Yeah, John Waters. I was thinking Roger Waters again. I would, and this movie could use actually use more gore.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

Like I don't think the one lady should have been beaten with, I don't know what was that like a lamb or something like that. She should have done like a count dooku with a couple butcher knives and just I mean, what the more things you do like that, the more dollars you add to the budget, though, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

That's true. Yeah. That could have been good too. And I think I think to make it funny, if you beat her with the leg of lamb and you get blood splatter, and then the dog is eating the blood-covered leg of lamb, that's the chuckle that they're looking that John Waters wants to give you. It could have had had more blood.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

It could have been a little bit more gory or I think it would have been better.

SPEAKER_03 30:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

That's fine.

SPEAKER_03 30:52

All right. Let's get to the scenes here, guys. You forgot to talk about uh Tracy Lawrence. I'm in. Well, let me get there. I'm gonna get there. He can't. He can't without drooling. I'll get there. So broke this down into I think eight major scenes, and then our closing. There's a group of mini scenes as well. But you know, this movie opens where we meet the Sutfins, they're an all-American family when the middle class actually existed, right? And there wasn't such a big divide. Very beaver cleaver. We forgot to mention the Lorraine Bobbit was another big one at the time. Oh, yeah. Oh, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 31:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:31

Yeah, this is a time '94 when like one man's salary can support a family of four with a child in college. You know, we meet our main cast of characters and their friends. Horror fans may recognize Scotty in this opening scene as Justin Whalen. Do you guys recognize Justin Whalen? I did, but I didn't look him up. He's Andy Barkley in Child's Play 3. He's probably most notable for being in the Lois and Clark TV series. The Adventures of Lois and Clark, where Dean Kane was Superman.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 32:02

Yeah, he was in that for the whole run, I think. F Dean Kane. You know, so we the opening scene, the the cops, we meet the detectives, we meet Chip's girlfriend, we meet Misty's Crush, Greg, Clark, something. We meet Miss Ackerman. We meet everybody in this opening scene.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

We meet that badass car.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

Yeah, the Pontiac Laman. It's a pretty fucking car. Yeah. This rolls right into maybe my favorite scene of the whole movie: the obscene phone call scene between Beverly and Dottie Hinkle, played by the great Mink Stoll. Do you guys want to chime in on the obscene phone call? I will mention you want to take the best crack at uh is this the cocksucker residence.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

I mean, that was that was probably where I got the the biggest chuckle. I was like, I like I really enjoyed that. The way she just like lit into her, and I kind of felt bad for her. And then when I figured when it showed why she was lighting into her so much and so hard on her, I was like, fuck that. You steal my park space like that.

SPEAKER_03 33:01

And that even I think that's why the movie works, to be honest with you, is these are all things that are peeves for all of us, right? It's like being disrespectful to a person at a video store or whatever, and not rewinding and cursing them out or whatever. That's gonna get your blood to boil, and you're gonna want that person to get their comeuppance or whatever. But yeah, this the difference between even how she was sitting on the bed, she would still look pretty prim and proper and looked very happy, right? Extremely happy and extremely sweet. Yeah, and then when she started lighting into her, that was that was a great table setting, if you will. Yeah. Let me check the zip code 212 fuck you. Do you have it all written down? And then we have the cops left.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

I haven't memorized she was like, you know, June Cleavering, the cops are like, Oh, I there's no profanity. Never she used swear words.

SPEAKER_01 33:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:54

Right. That was it was cringy to watch, but it worked. Yeah, I love when she calls Dottie back and it's she's playing it like she's the person from the phone company. Right. And then she's like, we need to know the exact words. And she's like, cocksucker. He's like, listen to your mouth, you fucking whore. You feel me fucking whore. Doesn't recognize your voice at all. Those pussy willows. Oh yeah, pussy willows. So so so good. What did the what did the letter say? Just like you pussy face or something. Something crazy. Something like that. Pussy's definitely in it. But yeah. Because the P. We know the P was in it. Yeah. Oh, that's probably my favorite scene, is the whole when I I watched this, started watching this, I fell asleep three quarters of the way through, and the next day I went to go pick up where I left off, and I just watched the phone call again. Watched through the phone call scene again, and then I fast forward up to where I left off because I I love this scene so much. Next we get our first kill. It's Mr. Stubbins, Chip's math teacher, who uh students might be better off without him. Not gonna lie. Yeah, kind of a dick. Kind of a racist deserved it. I was gonna mention that. Tells the black parent like some kids just aren't college material. It's like, whoa, can't say that. That goes into another theme of the time of the horror movies and video games and stuff were kind of rotten the youth's minds. Right. All the rock music. He needs a therapist. He, you know, I'm a bad parenting. Right. Yeah. Bad parenting. She brings him a fruit cake. You if you look me dead in the eye and tell me bad parenting, I I'm probably gonna run you over with my car. Yeah. And he he puts a piece of gum in his mouth. And that might be what set her off. Probably. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:37

Oh, yeah. The whole gum thing. We don't chew gum in this house. I guess somebody would check it out. I don't know what I would do. Like if I walked in and Sarah was like, we don't chunk chew gum in this house anymore. I'd be like, huh?

SPEAKER_03 35:49

I think she'd be joking and like well. Yeah. So runs over Mr. Stubbins with her car, takes it right to a car wash. Backs over a car wash I've been to before. Really? Yeah. Dude, it all this stuff like makes sense. Like, like location-wise, like if he were to leave Towson and want to go get your car washed, like you would probably go there to wash it. It's like right where this near where this happens. One witness to the murder. One witness. Yeah, one witness, a stoner. She describes Beverly's car as blue. The car, not driver. How do they let this clown on the screen? She did the one trope. She did the one trope where it's like you look at your weed or you look at your whatever you're drinking, you're eating at the shake your head, and you know. Did I really just see that? Yeah. After this, we get some like mini scenes that are really good. The the scene with mom and dad having sex with the kids down the hall, and Beverly's just super going for it. After her first kill, she didn't get into it. She is going for it, man. The kids like do the trope again of like opening their door at the same time and peeking down the hall. I was like, Dad. You endanger, girl. This it is funny to see how it progresses from it's a joke at first. Oh, uh Bev, that's just like your car, the blue car, and they kind of laugh about it. Could you imagine? Ha ha ha, but then stuff starts to add up. Yeah, because the police come and question her again the next day, and like you know, Scotty and Bertie come in the house for breakfast. Like, I don't know, they seem to show up at breakfast because I guess they're like chips ride and whatever. But I got questions about Scotty here in a little bit. Okay. Okay. Don't let me why does he have to do it so hard? Like so, so, so hard. I don't know. But anyway, yeah, the garbage men scene. This is one where she sees Mrs. Ackerman, I think, ratting her out to the cops, and so she grabs a knife that she's gonna go get Mrs. Ackerman, but then sees the garbage men, and it cheers her back up real fast. So she grabs little mini bottles, the airplane bottles of liquor to give them a little gift. And she's gonna get some allies. Yeah, we hate Mrs. Ackerman. Cost the taxpayers millions of dollars to kill. That bitch don't recycle. Maybe someone will.

SPEAKER_02 38:01

These guys are in quick.

SPEAKER_03 38:03

You're either in or you're out. I'm out. Yeah, we get a Saturday at the dentist office for what's it, the Stirner's uh dad. Well, close way too close in the mouth with the that can. Yeah, but that's uh you know, John Waters kind of stuff. I'm gonna show you some up close grossness. But then the cops show up there, they find books that Beverly had, Helter Skelter. Yeah, what they did her library search, yeah. Or like the used bookstore where she bought the stuff. Yeah, because it was you she used a credit card, so there's a paper trail. And then later she shows up at Dottie's house and does the uh are those Pussywellows? Pussy Willows. What did you just say? Pussy Willows, Dottie. And then break break, yeah, blames it on Dottie, gets her out of there right now. She picked it up and spiked it. Like she just went like superinkowski, man. I don't know how that Mrs. Ackerman wasn't just like, wait, who did it? She was just like, thought that Dottie did it. I mean, Dottie looked like somebody would do it. Yeah. So there's some mini scenes, and then we get to our second kill. Third scene, I'll call it, but our second kill. This is like 30 minutes into the movie, by me. I thought we were gonna be like, I thought this was earlier before I rewatched this, that this was sooner, but we're like a third of the way through already. This is Carl gets killed at the flea market at the SWAT meet, yeah. Carl's date played by Tracy Lords. So we can get in the Tracy Lords conversation if you want. I think you have some of her stuff on VHS still, don't you?

SPEAKER_02 39:37

I don't have any VHS.

SPEAKER_03 39:38

You can only have one of her stuff because all the other stuff, she was a minor.

SPEAKER_02 39:41

Yeah. So technically, that's childborn. No. Yeah, not even technically it is. It definitely That's what she's famous for. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 39:49

Doing underporters. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so she was she her is from the Midwest. I can't remember where originally, but her father or her parents divorced, her mom married another guy, and they moved to California. New stepdad apparently is not a good guy, sex trafficked her when she was 14, 15, got her a new identity so that she could start doing porn. It wasn't her kind of doing, but she also, I guess, at 15 was like very developed. So I think porn people or whoever is in the business, like just bought that she was at least 18. I don't think there's good guys, and they probably really didn't care. Yeah, but they had a birth certificate and an ID that matched, and she just says, Yeah, that's me, and like they just let her. So she was doing porn at 15, she was a pentholes penthouse centerfold at 16. She did one X-rated movie after two days after her 18th birthday. So that is like the only movie that's still in existence because all the other ones had to be destroyed for obvious reasons. So when word when word got out, there were some porn distributors that were let off the hook because courts found that were like, Yeah, of course, like how could you know? She had the identification and like picture ID with her person and a resume at a certain point, right? Where they've yeah, they're like years of acting, yeah. They're like, How could you know? And then like other courts were like, No, you should have known. And like those were the ones that got the book thrown at them. But so it was it was split, depending on what judge you got, I guess. But yeah, she tried to make a name for herself after that, outside of the porn industry, very multi-talented. She met Jim Wynorski, who we just talked about, directed Chopping Mall. Uh, she met him after that, was cast in a film called Not of This Earth. She starred in a number of John Waters' other films, as I talked about. She put out a techno album in 1995 that the single the single from that album titled Control hit number two on the Billboard charts, and the instrumental version is featured in the Mortal Kombat film. So there's that. Tracy Lord's gentleman is a Fangoria Chainsaw Award winner. Nice for her supporting role in 2012's Exciser, a film that John Waters also stars in. Very small role. But yeah, so that's Tracy Lords. Very another very interesting, fascinating. And still acting, right? I think. Yeah, yeah. I think she's still in stuff. She's still doing stuff. She's still yeah. She just doesn't do like nudity or porn. She wants to set she separates herself completely from that. So one one of Jim Wynorski's films, she declined the role because they had to do a nude scene, and she's like, I'm not doing that. I'm out. So even starting up, she had her like, nope, not doing that anymore. I'm separate myself. Yeah, so this is so we're still at the swap meet. Carl guy goes to take his last piss ever. Um I gotta go to Capoose.

SPEAKER_02 42:48

And that was who Ricky Lake was was on, right? That was who she was uh thirsty for at first in the beginning of the movie. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 42:57

She drives the Jeep like an asshole, pulls him up. She liked him a lot more than he liked her. Clear. Remember, she was she was like so-and-so's Clark, or what's his name? Carl. Carl says if I lose 15 pounds, or oh my god, he'll take me to the University of Maryland Memorial Day Beach Bash. Which is coming. Carl. No, but fucking Carl guy. But yeah, even and then I think he even shows up when he shows up to the house and meets Beverly and introduces himself, and she's like, Oh, you must be Misty's new boyfriend. And he's like, Well, we're just friends, actually. And Misty gets all sad. Like, hmm, just friends. Yeah, those strike one in that strike, in that friend zone already. But yeah, this is where Mrs. Ackerman is there with Beverly and buys a fire poker at one of the stands, but then Beverly takes that, follows Carl into the pisser. She bought a seven dollar poker for three dollars. Yeah, right. Switch those shakes shady.

SPEAKER_02 43:50

Yeah, she's looking for Fabriger Franklin mint Faberge egg.

SPEAKER_03 43:55

Yeah, got a chip in it. I don't know, because Faberger eggs I thought were like priceless things. There are. But I guess there was an American. Isn't is that the egg from like risky business that was like a super big deal if it got broken? Right. I think if it was at the end of the movie, he goes diving for it. I think if it was actually made by the Faberge person or whatever, then it's super expensive. But the Franklin Mint is probably like a republication or like a thing was big in the 80s, 90s where they did like gold coins. I always buy like Tracy Lord's character, who's basically just kind of like eye candy and has nothing else to do in this movie. Like why she's like, ooh, Franklin Mint. Like she just has to have it. Like, what do you what is Franklin Mint? I don't, I don't know. Google it. I don't know. I don't have time to talk about it. Parking on it now. It was a thing. But yeah, so you know, Carl's taking a piss, and Beverly comes in with the fire poker, has to duck into a stall real quick as someone else comes out of a stall. Someone looking through a glory hole spots her, which he'll come up later in the as a witness in the in the in the trial. But gets he gets stabbed in the back. She gets a running start and stabs him in the back with this fire poker. And when he pulls when she pulls it out, there's an organ hanging off. Right. And that's another like the chuckle that goes along with the murder. She's like, ew, and she's like shaking it, trying to get off the end, and it won't go off. And she like pushes it off with her finger, like, ooh. Okay. So a real Faberger egg is worth probably $75,000. But there's one that sold for $30.2 million.

SPEAKER_02 45:22

What?

SPEAKER_03 45:22

Yeah. But the Franklin Mint House of Faberget eggs, they're commemorative and mass-produced. They sell for $40 to $100 still. Right. So that's the one of the ones. Right. That's the one at the swap meet, right? Exactly. Right. And it was had a chip in it, so it was overpriced. It should be $50. Yeah. Guys, what do you think about getting stabbed with a fire poker? Would you rather be stabbed with a fire poker or a kitchen knife? Fire poker, because a fire poker poker is not going to go inside your body. With a running start, it'll be me.

unknown 45:55

No.

SPEAKER_03 45:55

I was going to say this has to hurt so fucking bad. A kitchen knife will just bone, I think it could. It could if you don't have bones.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

No, it's got that, you know, like the hook. Yeah, the hook. The hook part, the hook is just basically like a a a blunt nub. When the pointy part hits you, you even look on the blunt on the nub.

SPEAKER_03 46:13

From my years of watching TV, I know that a newspaper can be a shank in prison. So I think a fire poker could go through you. No. I'd rather do the knife because I think it's a cleaner, cleaner cut, and then they can stitch you up pretty easily. I hope. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like a fire poker, that blunt end being so forcefully run through you. Like I don't think you can sit here with a fire poker and just like extend your arm and stab. With a running start, you could get through someone. Let's get Bitbusters in on this. You could in front of a Buick. You know, all right. So let me sidebar for real quick. So the um when I was firefighting and I was fire pokers. Have you ever seen those iron, those wrought iron like fences that had the spikes on the top? And they're not like sharp spikes, but I'd say they're like fire poker doll. Sure. Like spikes across it, right? Well, there was a guy that was drunk, and we got called to this call. This drunk guy was like leaning-stabbed him? Was like leaning on the fence with like his armpit over it, and I guess fell asleep, and he put his weight down on it, and that one of those tops of the fence that blunt end went up through his armpit and didn't come out the shoulder, but it was like up in there. So the rescue team came and they cut this piece of fence out, and we took him to the hospital to the trauma center with this piece of wrought iron fence like shoved up through his armpit. I guess yeah, after time, so I think a fire poker will definitely go through you. That's a good logic. I like it. For argument's sake, let's say you could get it.

SPEAKER_02 47:43

It wouldn't kill you seen it on the TV. It wouldn't kill him like that.

SPEAKER_03 47:48

No, it wouldn't kill him. Well, if you pulled an organ out, if you pulled the bleed out or something, you'd probably bleed out with the organ messing. Yeah. But that, yeah. But I feel like that has to be super painful. Like, I'd rather get the kitchen knife that's just sharp and just like an too deep. Yeah. Get kind of woozy. So, yeah. And then uh, you know, like the next guy that comes in and finds Carl. The scream. The scream, right? Sounded weird. Or it sounds like we've been before. I'm gonna look that up.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

Yes, like a soundtrack. Like it was used since then on the soundtrack. Right. I'm gonna I'm gonna find out while we're talking about it.

SPEAKER_03 48:24

I don't know if that was before this or after, or if this guy just had like a bad scream, and in post they're just like, fuck it, put this new scream track over top of the.

SPEAKER_02 48:31

It doesn't seem like they're gonna go out and search for a scream track for this. That is and yeah, it's a notable.

SPEAKER_03 48:38

I heard that, and I'm like, I've heard that before. I think it's not the Wilhelm scream, that's something different. But because the Wilhelm scream is something completely different. I'm working on it too. We're gonna we're gonna get it. That's more like a this is like a like a real guttural, but I've definitely heard it before. But uh but then while while they're at the swap meet, that's when dad comes home from work and he starts searching the bedroom and finds all of Beverly's stuff with all of the serial killer stuff, her scrapbook with Charles Manson in it, cassette tapes that Ted Bundy sent to her, like Beverly, it's me, Ted Bundy. Six days left till execution. Like which was that that voice on that tape was voiced by John Waters. So there's that. You both can't be Googling. I am so it's called the Howie Scream. It's called the Howie Scream, it's used in several movies. He was using Broken Arrow in '96, Scream 3.

SPEAKER_02 49:35

Yeah. Waters chose a sound effect to add an extra layer of dark. I I guess it wasn't a real he did add it in there.

SPEAKER_03 49:43

Okay. I was gonna say, because I'm like, I've heard that before. Right, guaranteed. So I don't know if they do they use that when like the character just sucks at screaming and they're like, ah, let's put a track over this. I'm gonna play it for the audience. Play it from the beginning. Is this gonna work?

SPEAKER_02 50:03

Oh, that is we'll see if that works. Oh, the scream from Princess Bride. Was it? Was that when he is down and he switches into 10? I feel like that's a scream. Now I gotta Google that. Was the Howie screen used in the Princess Pride? The Howie Scream.

SPEAKER_03 50:20

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 50:20

All right, carry on.

SPEAKER_03 50:21

So that's our second kill, third scene, moving on to our fourth scene, and this is our third and fourth kills. This is the Stirners, and this coincides with the family thinking that Chip's friend Scotty isn't the one in danger based on the things that have been going on. So Beverly goes and serves dinner, and you know, it reminds her of the baby birds when she or she goes over to the Stirner's house. Little little cop chase, like this one cop is following her car and doesn't call for backup, but she like going through a development through the suburbs, just like hops over the corners and jumps the playing one curb that was. Is it Mike? It's not Michael Bolton. Who's she playing? Somebody in that somebody in that era, but yeah, it's so it's we all think goes to the Stirner's house, but the family thinks she's going to Scotty's house. Because what did Scotty Yes? Oh, because somebody said you should kill Scotty. No, or they said Scotty said something, or Scotty thinks you're the killer. Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_02 51:18

So now I know where I heard it from. Yes, the famous howish cream, also known as the sound of ultimate suffering, was used in the Princess Brack. That's where I found her fucking heard it. You guys could hear that when I played it, right? The fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_03 51:31

Yeah, a little bit. So Beverly goes to the Stirner's, she sees them eating those game hens all greasy and juicy, and they look good, man. I dive right into that shit. But you know, they also talk shit about her husband, too. So she's picturing them baby birds, and they're just eating these baby birds, but then they also talk shit about her husband. Yeah, just knows how to send the bill. What does he know? He knows how to send the bills. So the Sterners, I want to ask this question too. They they're at the PTA when Beverly shows up, and they're there first, but Beverly shows up and the teacher calls her in and not the Sterners. Don't they seem a little old to have like high school age children? Yeah, don't they?

SPEAKER_02 52:09

They seem a little old to have high school. Nah.

SPEAKER_03 52:11

They they look like they're like 65. Charlie's 75. Could be. How old are you? What are you, Charlie? 55. 57. Yeah, no, they look like seven. No. But you don't look you don't look as old as they do. Now you do with the glasses on. Yeah, now you do. Um, but and she like jumped in front of them, I guess. Like she was more on time for her. Well, I mean, if you show up early, you're at an appointed time. Yeah. Well, even like with so when when what's her what's her name? The it's Betty. Betty and the dad and whatever. But when Betty goes upstairs and Oh, the sterns. Yeah, and she's getting her like nightgown on, she's like, come on up to bed and hurry up before the kids get home. Like, she wants to get some in, and it's kind of like it's like also Wheel of Fortune was on. And Wheel of Fortune was on, like, he was gonna make her buy a vow. But also back in the day, people were older. I think people look appeared older back in the day than they used to be. That's true. Yes. Remember, we had this conversation. We talked about before. Wilford. Yeah, like George Went on Cheers is supposed to be like he looks to me like he's 50. He's like 32 or something on Cheers, like Wilford Brimley was Christ. Yeah, they're just older back then. Oh, yeah. Wilford Brimley's been like 80 for 40 years old. He came out of eight. Right. He born old. Born with the beatus. Yeah. And then, yeah, so the Sterners, you know, Betty gets stabbed with the scissors. Beverly's hiding in her closet. These are the scissors that came out of Mrs. Ackerman's sewing kit. Yeah. That she brought over to Beverly earlier in the movie. Gives a little quick flash. So we see check off scissors. It's not the only quick flash we see, but the only quick flash. And then the dad gets the window AC dropped on his head as he's escaping the house. At the same time, they're checking on Scotty, though. Yeah, at the same time, the other family's checking on Scotty. And Chesty, he's watching the Chesty Morgan video, which I watched in preparation for this podcast. Scotty was going for it. Um he was he was beating that thing like it owed him money. I I put down in my notes violently masturbating? It was violently. Violently masturbating. Like, dude, you are like he was hip throbbing and then tugging, and he was screaming and a lot of lot of stuff going on there. Like I said, like it owed him money. You had questions about Scotty. Is this the time you want to? Scotty aren't about his has his masper masturbatory practices. It's more on he flips on a dime on the family, the whole family. He's mean mugging him after her name comes out as a suspect. He seemed like a friend. It's not a ride or die friend. That's all I gotta say. Maybe they take advantage of him because he gives them rides everywhere. And now maybe he's like, fuck you guys. Maybe. Maybe maybe he's mad that the girl doesn't like him. You know? Yeah, I don't know. And he hates them for all that horror stuff they watch. Yeah. Horror stuff. Horror, horror. What's your favorite Chesty Morgan picture? Um it's like two to choose from. Never heard of it. Good, good name, but I don't know. Never heard of it. Not the most attractive lady. You didn't see her face. You didn't no comment. It's mean, Justin. You can't say those things. Chessie Morgan has a face. Aww. But yeah, Scotty's going for it. I don't know why he's extermating 230 miles an hour, but I always see people on like TikTok comment on videos. They're like, not my proudest wank, but it got me there. But uh but yeah, so the family sneaks into his house, opens a window, climbs in, like climbs up the stairs slow. Save him and he's making noises like you're hearing noise like he's being killed. And then when they they bust in the door and the cops follow him behind, and and somebody's just like hey Scotty, man. Little Scotty was getting mutilated. He gives out a nice little I think that's I think that's funny. He retreats to Under his blanket. Yeah, yeah. A sticky blanket at that problem. Oh but I I like that scene. That whole thing is just funny. So next scene, scene five, they're going to church. Yep. And so the family, the Sutfins, they come out of their house and they find the cops are lying to the brother. This was two months later, after this movie comes out, that the OJ chase happened. And like people in the cast were calling each other when that happened and were like, it's life imitating art. Like it's crazy. Because they're following her in like a slow police chase to the church because they haven't pinned her yet. They're waiting for fingerprints or whatever to come back on the the whatever weapon on the scissors, I guess. But she's not gonna get away. Not this time, or does she? They um if I spitting on a baby. She sneezes, sneezes a baby on the baby. But they they're doing a church and they mention her name on the radio, and she's just like, oh, really? Ha ha like it's the funniest thing. And they all and the dad's like, ah, it's just hilarious. The whole thing they do do a fun job of like trying to be like, okay, let's just keep her from going crazy, you know, or crazier. Right. The family does a good job of it. Chip's a little excited, like, are you really a serial killer? And yeah, and Misty's like, no, I'll never get a boyfriend.

SPEAKER_02 57:28

Like it's yeah, Waters was probably putting hims himself in those shoes and was like, if I was, if that was my mom, how would I? I mean, and then 100% a whole the whole movie, he's like, you know, kind of smiling, interested when he's hearing about this, yeah, his mom killing people.

SPEAKER_03 57:46

Yeah, yeah, definitely. And then at church, obviously the the the sermon is based on capital punishment, which is fitting. Right. Some of Waters is a very much an activist against, does not like the idea of capital punishment. But did Jesus say anything about it on the cross? Yeah, exactly. If there was any time too, wouldn't have that been it. Wasn't for it, I would say. And then uh and then the uh Scotty sitting in a pew, and when the cops start coming in, the cop that just busted in his room the night before, like sits next to him, and Scotty's like, Hey man, how you doing? Right, it's hilarious. And then Scotty tries to dime her out too, like when she's trying to escape out that back. Scotty, man. Right. Scotty's gotta go. Yeah, Scotty's gotta go. Yeah, everyone's praying, and Beverly sneezes on the baby in the pew in front of her, sends the church into a frenzy because they scream the loogie makes them the mom scream, and then they all go nuts thinking that she did something. So they sneak her out the back, Chip and Misty and Bertie. I think was almost playing. It almost seemed playing because she used that opportunity to jump out. Definitely. I mean, she knew she was being followed, she had to get out of there somehow. Yeah, and this brings us to our fifth kill, Mrs. Jensen. But before we get to that, Chip and Bertie help mom get away. They steal Scotty's car with a little hide a key under the fender. Every one of those classic cars I think has a little heide key. Sure. I feel like that was a thing. Sure. I'm so steal the heide key. They don't have many more, like oh, everything's fucking plastic now, so you can't buy it anywhere.

SPEAKER_02 59:22

I had an 84 uh Buick Regal. It was silver, and it was beautiful, and I loved that car. It was a piece of shit though. But Chevy got so lazy back in the 80s that you could use one in ten Chevy keys would have started that car. My friend had a key that would start my car.

SPEAKER_03 59:46

Wow, they were wow. That's awesome. Yeah. And then so they steal Scotty's car, they hide her in the back of the video store. Chip works at. And then let's this might be the most that Birdie is in the film between this scene and then with Mrs. Jensen's killings. Any thoughts on Bertie? I don't have the actress's name. She didn't do much. The girlfriend other than if whether or not she asked her hairdresser for the Jim Carrey and Dumb and Dumber look. But I liked her. Yeah, she didn't do much after this.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:15

She was pretty an invisible character for me. Pretty much. Until they got to that one scene where they're like lifting each other up to look in the window. Yeah. I was like, that's this completely fair.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:26

That's where we're almost at right now, right? Because it goes from the video store right to there, right? So but yeah, that scene I think was important because she said it's not, it's brown, it's not red, it's not like you know, when they're relishing in the fact that, oh, she might be a serial mom, they're still thinking like Hollywood stuff, right? And when they see the blood, it's not the same. Then it's real, it's becomes real to them. And I at the end of the day, I think there was some of that in this movie where it's like, okay, you guys at home are cheering on these killers or whatever, but you know, so it's kind of like turning the camera on or the mirror on you a little bit, but yeah. Yep. You know, and then so Mrs. Jensen comes in in the video store and you know, she's look looking to check out Annie. Kim Annie? Did you bring back Ghost Dad? Oh my god. One of the worst movies in the movies ever. I love that. When I was seven, Ghost Dad was awesome. I wanted to like it so bad because his other show. When I was a kid, was hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:29

Was was and he was actually edgy back in the 60s 70s before he you know became America's dad and then eventually America's uh predator. Right, yeah, but he did some, you know, like pro black America stuff in the 70s. And yeah, yeah. What happened to that guy? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:49

I haven't heard anything from him in a while.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:51

Not in a minute.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:52

But yeah, yeah, Ghost Dead, that was funny when I was seven. Leonard Six was another horrible Will Cosby movie. So you know, but then Mrs. Jensen, she does what the other what the Sterners did. She's talking shit. You know, fucking bitch doesn't rewind her tapes, calls Chip a son of a psycho. She's talking shit. And and fucking Beverly's gonna get her ass. You don't you don't talk shit like that, you don't not rewind your tapes. So be kind, please rewind. And she don't. I liked how now and now I'm gonna charge you. Keep it, you su you psycho. You son of a psycho. I liked how she played the role where it's not like she she never bothers trying to like really cover anything up. She's not like hemming and hawing over killing people, it's just like, oh, I gotta kill that person, and then just goes for it, you know. Yeah, yeah. Maybe like there might be like a little like mental health problem. Oh, nope, not sure. A little bit, nah, she good, you know. So then Beverly escapes, obviously follows her home. They the once they realize that she escaped out the back door. She, you know, Chip and Bertie find out Mrs. Jensen's address and the Rolodex, and they're off to go find her to her house and make sure that she's gonna be safe or whatever. Right. You think Beverly's going for the kitchen knife when she gets there, but no, she decides to then pick up the leg of lamb.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:12

I have never had a leg of lamb. I've had lamb.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:14

Ooh, dude, you're missing out, man. But I feel like a leg of lamb. You're missing out, uh never had like a roast. Sorry about all those vegans. I I don't think a lot of lambs. I've had like lamb chops, lamb shanks, lamb chops. Yeah, I've had a chance. I've never had like uh something you'd like on a Spitfire, like roast, like and that's not normally a single person meal. Like, you're not just gonna sit down with a leg of lamb. I wouldn't think it was pretty big. It was for her, I'm pretty sure Mrs. is a single person.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:38

I've roasted a goat. If you have not roasted a goat, goat is delicious.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:44

Is it the goat? When we went to Jamaica, it was like delicious. I've never known goats to have so many knuckles in them, man. It's like all knuckles, man. I was like, what the hell am I eating here?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:54

That that was like I I feel like they just got all the good stuff that you can eat off the goat.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:00

Just the tail?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:01

And then just like whatever the bones were left, they just threw it all in that one.

unknown 1:04:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:07

So we get Mrs. Jensen's watching Annie, the musical. You're a musical guy. I mean, Annie's fine. You can't go wrong with it. She was watching the Annie movie, which starring Carol Burnett. Isn't it? I don't know. It was the movie, yes. It was the movie version. The scenes were a little bit uh Alfred with what's the guy from Aaron Brockovich? He was Miss Daddy Warbugs. Finny? Alpert Alpert Albert Finney, yeah. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So beats her to death with the leg of lamb. Good blood splatter across the TV screen. Could have been from the lamb or the lady. Yeah. Right. Scotty sees this. He's perched up on a shed. What the fuck is Scotty doing? Just climbing random roofs? He's trying to find his car. And he and then he he's trying to also, I think, pin something on Beverly because he knows. He's got it out for Beverly. Yeah. Tells her to tells him to wear his seatbelt too much. I could I'm gonna cut in here. I thought 100% for sure she would have driven him off the road and he would have burst out of his car not wearing the seatbelt. I thought that would have been that would have been the way he had gone, ironically. Yeah, yeah. That's a good theory. But I think the hammer jacks kill is that was good. So she's good with timing too. Like dropping that window unit on somebody and then cutting the thing when somebody's cutting that rope right when somebody's under the lights. Perfect. Yeah. And those people could just move, but they immaculate they don't immaculately. They just stand there and take it. They just scream.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:33

I think they inaccurately give you a little bit more time to see that person seeing their death coming because I would imagine from a just a second story window a AC unit would drop pretty fucking fast.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:46

Yeah, they at least have time to do this.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:48

Oh, there you go. The scream of ultimate suffering. Or the how we scream.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:58

Right, we're putting it on there. That's Our next when we get 25 followers. You mean 25 million followers? So once Scotty sees us and Beverly catches him peeping, now Scotty's on the run, right? And peepers be peeping. And that brings us to our next scene. I want to talk about he should have stayed on the roof. Well, I maybe should have got him with like throwing rocks at him and stuff. But when he I love this is great acting, this is great physical acting. It's great camera work where Scotty's running up the street. Did you say camel work? Camera work. Scotty's running up the street to get back in the camera. No cameras were harmed in this movie. And Kathleen Turner is chasing him full speed. Look like the Terminator with a fucking kitchen knife. And she is just working it. She has good form. Great form. I would have stabbed myself in the thigh about four times if I was running full speed with a kitchen knife.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:50

So what I noticed was what my trackslash football coach told me, which I could never do, was your head is not supposed to move. Right. Your head's your head stays motionless and the rest of your body is moving, and she does it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:05

She's killed yeah, she's incredible form. Great physical acting. And she didn't stab herself, which I would have done numerous times. But I mean, that was the take that showed us on the movie. Still, it's not like she even like hit herself with the fake knife. I'm just saying. Just saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:22

Yeah, she probably did some track in high school.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:24

But incredible physical acting. You're feet tired. You've been running around my mind. Probably in heels. And then yeah. So the car, the car chases on, Scotty gets to his car, escapes just in the nick of time, and she's stabbing through the soft top roof of his car. And then, what are we doing? What are we doing, guys? We're trying to use the soundboard, Mike. Alright, sorry. With somebody getting thrown down in the dress. Get the fuck out of here. So control. So they're going to Camel Debbie. Scotty, yeah. Scotty gets in the car, the car chases on, and Beverly's chasing him in some dude's work van. But then she hides waves at her family and she kicks him. Moses with kiss or waves or something. Yeah. That's the best. And then Scotty gets the hammer jacks, you know, and then goes inside. And then when the family shows up, you know, Chip's like, Dad, look cool. This is Hammerjacks. Like, that's probably literally something someone's kid would say if their dad was. Especially at a Camel Lips concert. Yeah, Cameljacks. Camel lips. Cameljacks. Yeah. Close enough. That's the other nuance. Camel Lips is played by the all-female rock band L7. You guys familiar with L7? L7 week.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:35

I was I was disappointed in their selection because we were in full-on grunge mode in America. They are at this point. They were punk. They were punk all the way, man. No, they're grunge. That was punk. I mean, maybe they're playing.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:49

Grunge is a uh evolution of punk. They weren't wearing flannel, but they're grunge. Okay. L7 is. We'll go with that. But it's the kind of band that would have played hammerjacks, right? Okay. So well, I say right, like you guys know what hammer jacks is, but this is the kind of band. Yeah, I don't know if they would have played at Hammerjacks. They would have. When I was going to hammer jacks. Yes. They would have played a Campbelljacks. Did you guys notice the pants? No. Yeah. Was there something special about the pants? I feel like they didn't show it enough. Right. I thought I could have used more.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:19

I think they did the perfect amount. They gave you a good shot, and then you're looking for it the rest of the time. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:26

Fun fact is there was nothing used. That was actually their, you know, an outline of their anatomy. Oh, really? Fun fact, I looked it up. That's fortunate. I don't know. What's bigger than Majora? So that tells me.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:41

The fact that they had to go with Camel lips. There's a band out there called Cameltoe.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:45

Probably.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:46

Has to be.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:47

Camel lips is better. Camel lips is better. It's so much better.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:50

I'm with Charlie there. They couldn't.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:55

I think it's it's that. I think they were playing with that. It's like we don't camel toe is not enough. Cameltoe is too on the nose. Somewhere else. What everybody knows. Well, yeah, it's somewhere else. But but yeah. I love it. Anyway. And the little prosthetics down there. That was that was great too. So Beverly sets Scotty ablaze with some sort of aerosol can and a lighter. Some hairspray and a lighter, which not, you know. But that's a poor fucking Scotty. This is kind of like in uh Groundhog Day. He might be okay. And then the lead singer chugs like a pint of whiskey and spits it on him. Ever clear. He just I think she'd be called in for some questions as well. He might survive. Oh, not now. No, not now. Like when you see a car fall off of a cliff and then they might be okay. And and the best, the best part is the cops bust in and see him her do that, and he goes into a big fire, and the one detective is like, holy fucking shit. Like, you know, there's like holy shit. There's oh fuck, there's like fuck me. When you get holy fucking shit, that is like that's extra. That's like you're in the that's the next level shit. That is next level. Like this guy, this is crazy. This is crazy now. Holy shit is one thing. Holy fucking shit. That's this movie is much funner to talk about than it was to watch. Maybe maybe it'll bring your maybe rewatch. Maybe it from a two to a three. And then they arrest they arrest Beverly, and she's like, What? What? Me, me? Yeah. Hey, honey, what? What's going on? What's going on? More evidence of the uh mental illness going on. Oh my god. Like these are things that like like later with the shoes, the white shoes, these are affronts to her and everyone in her mind. She's doing a service, right? Yep. The last basically the last scene before the very, very end is the trial. We get a trial in this fucking movie. Turned into a courtroom drama. Can you imagine if Five of the 13th ended and then like it, but not the ending we got. They put Jason on trial. But like Bet Betsy Palmer is sitting on trial for 20 minutes. Right. And the camp counselors are coming up to the she's representing herself. Yeah. And they're like, I saw her. I saw her put the axe through her head.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:13

And this was before Shira Stoner. This was before the OJ trial. It is.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:18

Which was kind of like it was like 20 minutes of a courtroom scene with uh Beverly Sutfin and uh everybody else here. You really you really have to buy into the satire at this point. Yeah, yes. Like you can't in yet. I mean it's not Kramer versus Kramer. This is not a justice for all. Like 20 minutes. I love a good courtroom drama. Yeah, and this is not a good idea. No, really, really suspend your disbelief because this shit ain't happening. Uh let's just run down the witnesses. Dottie Hinkle's the first one. Dottie Hinkle's the first one. And then it's where she mouths, like covers her mouth and says, Fuck you. Did you see that? She just said fuck you to me. Like, you're a mother. Yeah. Yeah. You lousy pig fucker. Like, and she gets contempt to court. She loses her. She went crazy. I love her. So an unreliable witness. Right. So during this whole court thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:13

My favorite part was when Matthew Lillard was out in outside of the courtroom and Carl's brother comes and punches him, and then he starts talking about have you sold your rights yet?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:24

Yeah. Yeah. Who's gonna hear uh what Suzanne Summers? Yeah. Suzanne Somers? Well I wonder if Jason Priestley's available. Yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah, dude. And his height of when that guy came in was like, Your mom killed my brother. I thought that was like Scotty's brother, because the guy's wearing the same coat that like Scotty was wearing. They probably only had one coat. They probably only had one coat, but it's Carl's brother. It took me a lot of rewatches to be like, oh, that's Carl's brother.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:49

It's Carl's Jr.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:52

So then you think you folks, you think you think eventually, no, nope, he's got a million of them. He'll be all he'll be here all week. Try the lamb.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:00

Don't forget to tip your waitress. Try the buffalo dip. So after Dottie takes the stand and gets thrown out for contempt of court, we got Mrs. Hodges, who is the stoner. She takes the stand. They can't get anything out of her. She's like horrible actor.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:14

The car's blue.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:16

You know. Talking about the car, not the driver. Like they couldn't put somebody on this chick for like a they couldn't get her out of anything. To keep her off the pots. Yeah, right. It was just blue. It was just blue. And that's all she could get out of her. Detective Gracie. He's next on the stand. They went through her her trash and found the books. He's like, well, what if what would we find if we went through your trash? I think that was pretty smart. Yeah. We found chicks with dicks. That's trespassing. I'm a married man. Totally like a Trump supporter. That's what then it is and would get all offended when they get found. Don't judge a book by its cover. Rosemary Ackerman comes next. They ask her some questions, and it's like her scissors and her fire poker that were two of the murder weapons. And then finally, they they she asks her, like, do you recycle? And she like pauses and everybody like leans in, like, all anxious. The two trash men are in the gallery. And she's like, No. I don't have the time. That basically that was like a chapter. Yeah, everybody in the courtroom is more upset about the person that doesn't recycle than the murderer, like on trial, the serial killer. Do you know it takes 90 years for a tin can to break down in a landfill? Okay. That's what they say in the movie. Yeah, I know. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:41

It takes 60 million years for a tree to become oil.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:47

When Detective Pike takes the stand and it's like he might be the one that actually has the information they need, and like there's nothing against him. Like that's when Suzanne Summers comes in in this circus, and then everyone is distracted. The judge isn't paying attention. Like, no, basically blowing everybody off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever. Yeah, sounds good. And then Marvin Pickles is the last one to take the stand, and the one that spotted Beverly through the hottest scene in the movie. At Carl's murder, they have to go get him out of the bathroom. He's writing like I sniff jury's underpants on the wall for some reason. He can't help himself, is why he can't. And then Beverly does a little basic instinct kind of thing to seduce. Flapping some flaps.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:27

I think she was like trying to stoke a fire for a blacksmith to forge a sword or an axe or something.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:32

I mean, she stoked his fire. Stoked his fire, good those legs back and forth, like a thigh master. Right. And he's like, he's like, I've never met Beverly Sludfit in my life. I'm just saying what you told me to say. And then he's just like, oh, oh. So are you saying finished? Neat sounded like he finished right there in that scene. Not like Scotty. Poor Scotty. Dude, you're going that hard. You better finish. Oh my can't. Ripped it off. I think it went inside him after he got caught. And then, yeah, so that's our witnesses. Do you guys have a favorite witness or a favorite like part of that trial? I did. I got a kick out of the witness.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:15

Who was the one she tormented on the phone? Dottie? Dottie. Dottie. Yeah, that's so good. For me.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:19

That was funny. I did get a kick. Did you see that? She said, fuck you to me. What about yours, Justin? I did get a kick out of the perv. Either her playing the perv. Mark Markles. Dottie's Dottie's my favorite. I mean, probably the right one. The way Detective Gracie gets upset. Like, I'm a married man. I hope they give you the gas chamber. Like, so good. So, so good. And the the judge is actually paying attention to that point as like tells the jury, like, disregard what the witness just said. Yeah, the prosecution rests, and then she basically said, They didn't prove shit. I rest too. Yeah, I mean, no closing arguments for either team. When she's like, I mean, if this was a real trial, right? When she asks, what's her name, Ms. Ackerman, like, do you recycle? There'd be an immediate objection. Like objection, irrelevant. Like it's funny that we're all lawyers. Yeah, I'm a side, I'm an R share lawyer. I mean, one, we're we're lawyers adjacent because one of us is. We learned it off in Law and Order, man. You should have watched. I learned it from this. I don't know. From serial mom. From serial mom. Yeah. And liar liar. Dude, if there's a like a divorce case with adultery, like I got that shit. If you commit adultery, like you don't get anything. You want half, you get nothing. If you commit adultery, it's not true in what we call no fault states. Nope, but I've seen liar liar. I've seen liar liar. I know it. He knows the law. I got it. I got it. I've seen liar liar. All right, all right. You're right. You're right. Sorry. And the moral is don't lie. Don't lie. Don't lie. Find a way to make them lie, but don't lie. Right. Right. Yeah. So then the closing, the verdict not guilty. And then our seventh and final kill in this movie is juror number eight. White shoes. Played by Patty Hearst, who wore white shoes after Labor Day. And she passes by Beverly in the hallway, gives her a little smile, like she's happy she got off, goes to a payphone, and then Beverly's like, I'll be right back. And goes and follows her, beats her head in with a payphone. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:14

You're wearing white shoes after Labor Day, but that's not a thing anymore. Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:18

She's not angry that she's getting hit with the phone. It's like fashion has changed, right? No, it hasn't. No. Whack. So I I do want to bring up when Kathleen Turner or what's her name? The mom. Yeah, the mom comes into the courtroom. She's like, I love your blouse. Like she's trying to make friends with the jury or whatever. Oh, the ones got like a little local book, and she's like trying to help them out. Yep. It was fun. It was very mom-like stuff. And yeah. She's trying to. I I think her lawyer was trying to what that she immediately disregarded, like fire fires. Was like, you know, do this stuff so you seem like insane, because that's the plot that he's gonna go with. Oh, she would have done it. She's just like, I'm gonna get off on all this. Insane. She's apparently insane. Me and Marvin Pickles, we're getting off. Yeah. And Scotty. Scotty didn't. Nope. Scotty doesn't know. Scotty doesn't know. And then uh Suzanne Summers, this is my bad side. Whoa, shit. Guess who's getting in next? Yeah. Suzanne knew when the scream happened from where the phone bank was. Yep. Crazy that Beverly Sutfin did not cooperate with the making of this film at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:28

This fictional person.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:29

Also a fun, also a fun like way to start it where it's like Trunak closes. Yeah, it's it's Fargo, I think, ripped from I don't know they might not have ripped it off. I don't know if the people from Fargo that the Coens watched this or not, but Fargo does the same thing, makes it seem like a true story, and you know, the the victims' names have been changed out of respect to protect. But like it's not at all, obviously. So there we go. They roll credits. Yeah. Not a fan of Fargo. Hot take. I like Fargo, but it's not my I'm here's another hot take. Raising Arizona.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:03

Another hot take.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:04

Not a giant Cohen Brothers person. There's a handful. There's a handful that I like, but the rest of my right. I mean, kill my favorite character without any fandom or any. That's like some stuff I like, some I don't. Can't abide it. But that's that's probably how I am with Oh Brother Wear it though. Legit. That's good. It's good. It's good. Lebraski. What are we talking about? Not the Cone Brothers. So that's it. That's uh that's our that's a show. That's our movie. So let's talk about our categories. Did this ending stick the landing for you? Was this ending good? 100%. I think it's perfect. Whether or not she got off or didn't, but the way that she she gets one more kill in there and then you know there's more coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Part two. Yeah, they realize they all fucked up because they did all fuck up by letting her off. I mean, the state messed up. The state should have had a better, stronger case, you know. Must be like or a better lawyer. This guy, we'll get to it. We'll get to it. We'll get to it. Is serial and mom trying to tell us something that we make like serial killers out to be heroes?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:07

I don't think it was that heavy-handed.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:09

They glorify it. Are people gonna watch this and be like they're glorifying serial killers? No.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:14

And that didn't really happen until like the very end. Yeah. But with all the merch. I don't think it was that heavy handed.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:21

Like the OJ trial. I distinctly remember wanting to believe that this was somebody that was being set up by the system, right? That the gloves were being planted, all this stuff. But I was also maybe a freshman in high school. I was what 13 or 14 years old. So I can forgive myself. But you know, so in a sense, we do we want the justice system to work for these people that like I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:46

I I want it both ways. I want it both ways all the time. Like when I'm on TikTok and I see somebody get pulled over and the cop is wrong, and I'm like, fuck that cop, cops suck. But when I see a cop pull somebody over and they won't get out of their car and they're just running their fucking mouths, it's taser, taser, taser.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:04

How do you feel about sovereign citizens?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:06

They're the worst and the best at the same time because they just cannot get out of their own way.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:14

Who is your favorite below the line actor in this film? At the time, below the line? Or just so, like, not Kathleen Turner, not Sam Waters. Lillard would have been Matthew Lillard, not Ricky Lake. Not the Sutfin family. Anyone outside of that? Okay. There's one answer. It's Chesty Morgan, but just kidding. Why is Chesty Morgan the best actor in this movie? Well, no, who's the best actor in this movie, and why is it Chesty Morgan? I mean, for John Waters' sake, Mink stole is in every one of his movies, and so she's yeah. You probably saw her walking around Baltimore. Is that Dottie? Dottie. Okay, yeah. I like I do like the line that detective Detective Gracie says when I think when the chase is on after Scotty and they finally like have the fingerprints back and they're trying to finally like get her after the church. Right. And they're like, he's like, we got her, and or whatever, like they're chasing him too. And she gets he gets on the radio and be like, serial arm is armed and fucking nuts. Like instead of saying armed and dangerous, he's like, She's armed and fucking nuts. She is. It's good. There's some good good line delivery. Yeah. Any other favorite below the line actors in this? Um not really. They're all about the same. Yeah, pickles. Marvin Pickles Marvin Pickles, the stoner. The stoner actor, but Tracy Lords, yeah, for sure. Which kill was best? Ooh. There's seven to choose from, I think. Can we recap them? Yeah. Carl with the fire poker. Or wait, mm-hmm. Mr. Stubbins run over the car. Yeah. Carl with the fire poker. The Stirner's a stomach stabbed in the stomach with the scissors and four the mouse chewing on her foot. Where'd their mouse come from? Baltimore. What did I mean? Very small rather. It's Baltimore. There's mice. There's rats. It is what it is. You got shit on Baltimore, man. I'm not. It's my town. I just know. It's a fact. Okay. And then, you know, the dad getting the AC dropped on his head. Mrs. Jensen beat with a leg of lamb. Scotty burned. I go Scotty. Scotty at hammerjacks.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:23

I go Scotty because he got blasted by litters.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:28

Look, it spits Everclair on his ass.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:30

That's what I put. Not only is it set on fire, but it's it's I mean, literally adding fuel to the fire. They spit like liquor on him to intensify the fire. Like, what the fuck were they thinking? I'm gonna be contrarian and say it's the uh Patty Hearst and then Jurin. Because the like the arguing was the argument wasn't no, don't, you don't have to hit me, you don't have to kill me. It was like about like she was stating her case about you know what she had read that fashion is now allowing white after Labor Day. I've always I don't want to say follow that rule, but I always notice it after seeing that movie since I was a kid. I'd see somebody like wearing white and it's like Christmas. I'm like, they're wearing white after Labor Day. Isn't it technically always after Labor Day? When does it start over again? When can you when can you start wearing white again? You know when. Memorial Day. You know when the beginning of the summer is it the session. Summer isn't it? No, no, why? January 1st, summer. That's what I'm saying. I don't know the rules. January 1st is not yet Labor Day. December 31st, Labor Day is already that's how I look at it. Okay, could you escape this? Yeah, yeah. I'm not much of a gum shoe. Don't fucking piss her off. I'm fat, so I don't wear white, so I think I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:39

What about you guys? There's nothing to rewind anymore. Yeah, right. Right. I'm not dating anybody's daughter who I like to see. I wear my seatbelt. I wear my seatbelt. I'm not religious. I'm not a teacher.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:50

If I thought somebody was a Sirico, I wouldn't rat him out, man. I'd be like, hell no, I didn't see the shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:57

I didn't see shit. The car was blue. What car?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:02

What car? Apparently the only blue station wagon of a parent that goes to that stuff. Which is unbelievable. A little unbelievable, right? That was a common that was the most unbelievable part of it. I've seen a million of the things.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:14

I mean, that translates now like Honda Odyssey. Right. Any color of Honda Odyssey, there's gonna be three or four people. At least three or four people.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:24

You're the only parent with a white Ford explorer that goes to this school. Jesus. Some Bronco. Who was the dumbest character? Who do you think? There's a lot of dumb. Yeah, go ahead with yours. Mrs. Ackerman. Even in satire, she's just walking up in people's houses. Beverly, Beverly walks in her house, walks upstairs. Hears her on the phone upstairs and like just goes up there, opens her bedroom door. Like, what the fuck are you doing? The cops were pretty stupid. You know some people that would walk into your house, though. Like we both walked into your house today. I texted you first. I texted shit. You knew we were coming. Just came in and Mando almost got me. She opens the back door. She's like, Beverly, Beverly, hello.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:10

Yeah, I thought she was gonna catch her on the phone and she was gonna be the first kill. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:15

If you ignore the satire, dude, these this fucking lawyer's terrible. Lawyer's bad. You can't pin anything on her, despite all the parlor tricks going on that she's pulling in the courtroom. Like they can't pin shit on her. Terrible. That probably didn't bring up the fingerprints that they had. Like that didn't come up in the trial. Nothing. Not in '94, DNA. Yeah, but they had the fingerprints. So we knew they had the fingerprints on the scissors and the book, right? The match, right? So yeah, motive, but motive and murder weapons, you can't pin shit on her. Like the process.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:47

I think it's more of a script problem than a lawyer.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:50

No, it's no, I'm saying if you ignore the satire. So this is a satire, so all that stuff doesn't count. But if you if you're like, if this was a serious movie, they like Oh, yeah, shoot him. I'm going with Scotty's lawyers are fucking terrible. Should have been convicted. Yeah. Scotty. He's the dumbest. Scotty. Scotty doesn't. Why is he climbing on roofs, man? He's trying to get her arrested so that he's not the next one. But then he's not here.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:13

How the fuck did he get up on that roof?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:15

It looked like a slate tile roof. Slipped right off of that trellis. There's probably like uh some like stacked logs, some or a nice trellis. It was that kind of wood along the shed that he climbed up on the got him under the roof. She was eating like a lamb. I know, but that ain't cheap. Not in even a 94. Yeah. But you know, she she doesn't rewind either. She can afford to just pay that extra buck. She can afford that. She's rich. She's rich. She can pay that fine. She was ready for Andy to start. She was like, the sound of cooking. She was like, sing it. Yeah. See body count. Seven. Seven. I told you guys I fucked that up. Kill number one. Kill number one. Kill number two. Seven. Yeah. I'm gonna go with seven. Yeah, you're right. Eight. How about a gore score here? Two. Two. Two? Maybe two one and a half. Okay, okay, okay. Here I'll the spleen was the only one. But there was the horror movie, too. There is that. And the stab to the belly. We've said that stabs are get an extra point.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:13

Even that one didn't really bother me.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:14

No, maybe, maybe four.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:16

Because the way everything is set up. The way everything is set up.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:19

I put four because of the the the spleen and like the the or whatever the organ it was that pulls out with the fire poker. Like, and she's jiggling it. You got doo-doo in your shoe.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:32

Yeah, like but she took the horror out of it by jiggling it.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:34

They made it fun. Yeah, they're watching Blood Feast, the mouse nibbling on the feet, the blood splatter from the lamb, the blood on Jair 8 after getting hit with the phone, and then it's dripping down her shoe. Like four four's probably five of three. I'll go, I'll go down to three. Three and a half. Two and we gave Chopping Mall a four for reference. Well, there was a head that exploded in Chopping Mall. That's true. So I think we have to go down from four now that I think about it. So I'll I'll go down to three. I think two is a little low. Okay. Three sounds good to me. Two is almost nothing. There's at least something here. Yeah, it's a long order episode. We'll see. With Sam Watterston. But you wouldn't know, Mike. I wouldn't know. I mean, I've seen like four episodes probably.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:15

That's not enough.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:17

I mean, that's when I was a kid, I'm like, this is what old people watch, I guess. So I never changed. I mean you're not wrong, but it doesn't mean to bad. It's bad. I mean, I could go back and watch it now. I'm sure it's fucking awesome. Like I went back and watched Homicide when I was like in my 30s. Because when I was a kid, shout out to Baltimore. Another Baltimore before the wire. And I was like, yeah, that's like what my parents watch. That's the old people stuff. And then when I turned 30, I'm like, I'm gonna check out Homicide because it's streaming. And I'm like, oh man, that show was fucking good. I remember like just like watching it. I was probably in bed when like Law and Order came on. Like Murder She Wrote. I watched a ton of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:52

But there was a there's a play where Law and Order is it's like Hilligan's Island. It's playing, it was playing every second of every day somewhere in the world.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:02

It's the best hotel show. Like if you're stuck in a hotel, just you know it's gonna be solved mysteries.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:08

Unsolved mysteries.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:12

Anyway, go ahead, man. Sorry. You're good. You're good. I got a few fact fun facts here for you guys. So all right, land on me. I mentioned that the video store the chip works at is now a smoothie king.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:24

So from Towson, you go down York Road a wall, then you bang a right on Cold Spring Lane. Go about a mile down or so, and it's right there, hon. Can't miss it. There you go. I fit it in for you. I told you I was gonna fit it in for you. Applause. We need the applause button. Told you I was gonna fit it in. Hold on, let me pull up some applause. We get Howie scream again. I want to be on the sound effects board. So in Pink Flamingos, there was a guy that John Waters wanted to hire who was a who did owned like a furniture store and he had radio ads that would do like a heavy Baltimore accent. You know, but this guy was like, no, I don't want to be part of your movie or whatever. And so his name was Mr. Ray. So John Waters narrates the part as Mr. J for the filthiest person competition or whatever. And so he does the heavy Baltimore accent. Like, oh, here comes Divine coming down the road. Look at her go. Like shit like that. Anyway, I'm gonna play it. Get out of here. So the first choice for the role of Beverly was Susan Sarandon, but her asking price was too high. So there was as well. No. Yeah, can you picture her in that? No. No. IMDB also said that Julie Andrews was considered. And I find I think that's bullshit. I think I think when they say that like the force their first choice with somebody might mean it's real. But I think when someone is like, they were considered, I think that means that somebody in the room was like, How about Julie Andrews? And then someone was like, No. I can't say that. And that means they were considered. I can't see what he'll do. We'll never get from Julie Andrews. Well, you'll never know. The ASPCA would not allow them to kill a fly on camera. So, quote, a fake dead fly was used. Did they have to get uh did they have to show it to him later? Like the rat and hellraiser. Prove it. Prove it. Oh my god. Prove it. Mrs. Jensen to get the dog to lick her feet, they covered him in butter. That was so weird. They really only showed on the one side that dog was really licking on. He's trying to grow she out a little bit. Make them real wet. Her and fucking Scotty freaks. That's why he was in the roof. He's familiar with that house. The foot stuff that got butter in there. Sam Waterston and Kathleen Turner appeared as opposing counsel on an 2006 episode of Law and Order. Perfect. Perfect. You should look that one up. You gotta see it. There's probably already. Chemistry didn't even know. I don't. There's so many good episodes out there. But that would have been 12 years after serial mods.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:54

Like I liked it when she came back and played Chandler Bing's dad. Yes. Transgender dad in Friends.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:02

I thought that was like okay. Mm-hmm. And then my last fact here, Chesty Morgan. Um God. IMDB said that the movie that Scotty is watching starring Chesty Morgan is called Deadly Weapons, which came out in 1974. Like how he says IMDB said back when they had a plot, like when Dirk Diggler was running around with this. So I looked it up. Deadly Weapons is streaming on Plex and Fossum, if you're interested. It's 3.9 out of 10 on IMDb score. It's not a porno. How was it? We assume you watched it. So I was like 3.9 out of 10? I've seen worse. Pieces. And after watching it, I don't think I've seen worse. Oh. You did watch it. And and I watched it for just for this pod. Right. Right. Took some notes. Homework. I watched it four years ago just for this pod. And then here's a fun fact: Deadly Weapons is not the movie that Scotty is watching. What is it? The movie Scotty's watching is another Chestie Morgan film called Double Agent 73. So did how is that one? Because her bus line is 73 inches. How is that one? That one is also not good. But it's a but both movies are like a spy thriller action, but not really. Like they're they're bad. Right. So Double Agent 73 is she has to go and like take pictures of these guys, and the way she takes pictures of them is with a hidden camera under her 73-inch bust that she just lifts a boob up and it takes a picture.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:40

I assume like you're you're watching this at like one o'clock in the morning, the volume's at like three subtitles or I watched it on my phone.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:51

What are you doing in the bathroom? Nothing. No, but either way, neither film is a porno. I don't know why Scotty is jerking it to this because it's they're not porn. Okay. There's not enough sex or really any sex. It's like so porn wasn't exactly accessible to a lot of people. It was just this one person with enormous boobs playing a role. Maybe that she would pull them out. That she would pull them out like three times during the movie. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:15

I say get out of the video story pause. That's that one room with with that hidden that hidden door.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:20

But you can't jerk it to these because after you like she pulls her boobs out, it's gonna it's gonna cut some dude with a mustache like two seconds later. You don't know what Scotty's like. What are you doing, Scotty? Discover weird things about yourself. You start getting attracted to men with mustaches.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:33

I think it's time to move on, is what I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:36

But anyway, so Deadly Weapons, Deadly Weapons and Double Agent 73. Check them out. Chesse Morgan's finest work. Anyway, or don't check them out, they're really bad. 3.9 was about 3.8999. Too much, too high of an IMDB score. Check them out at the video store nearest to you. Horror Hall of Fame. Chesse Morgan. John Waters for director. I don't think he's done enough horror. No. Uh love you, John, but not enough horror as a director. Been in a lot of horror stuff. But yeah, not for this Hall of Fame. Is this killer a Hall of Famer? No. Beverly Sutfin. No. I think it's really memorable. I think it's too unique. I think it's really playful. Light is another word. You say light, I say playful. Yeah. I say silly. Same, same. But yeah, she's Joan Wayne Gacy, guys. That is Joan. Okay, those are good lines. And there was another pun he did too, right? Yeah. Henrietta, like Henry. What is it? From Henry Portrait of a Zero Killer. What's his name? But Henrietta. They do reference that in the movie too. Have you seen Henry Portrait? I most certainly have not. Right. Oh, what'd you think about the when they're watching Blood Feast and they like pull out like the guts and then it cuts to the close-up of the glazed meatloaf on the platter? It's a fun transition. Yeah, fun transition. Okay. Playful, light. Yeah. Okay. So no for Beverly Sutton. Even though it's a true story based on her life. A true life of this fictional character. She didn't participate. Any of the heroes or protagonists? Chip of the heroes. Chip. Sam Waterston? No. There's no heroes. I don't think anybody did anything to make themselves a hero. Camel lips? No. Definitely not. Jesse Morgan. We're not to the props part yet. Right. And then the props. The props. The pants. The camel lips pants? Definitely. Baby Harvard.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:38

I could be blind and pick that out. Braille?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:42

I can braille that out at a horror control. We should put like the Camel lips bass drum so you have like the name next to like the outfits. Next to the like draped over. That'd be a deep cut, though. Like that would be how deep. I know. I was like, as soon as it came out, I'm like, don't provoke him. Doesn't need help. How about I any I want the merch. The liver? The whole merch from outside the courthouse. The pennants, the books, the pins, the the no gas chamber, the the I want the merch. I want the merch table. Okay. In the hall. Okay. Would that be cool? Yeah. Swirls.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:18

Hold on. We we we can't put everything in.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:21

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:22

You don't want the merch table?

SPEAKER_03 1:40:23

I don't know if it makes it, but I say a serial mom pennant. Camalypse. The camel lips. Camelypse, the the the base. Yeah, I don't know if it can have the name of the movie on the merch. Are you sure? Right. Isn't that too meta? Yeah, it's too what about just the the pin that's like no gas chamber? Or the pinch. I don't know if I would get it. The pin with Kathleen's.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:47

I would bet not until I saw it, but then yeah. No. Camel lips though. Yeah. I'm kind of surprised that there's not more Camel lips merch at the conventions.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:57

I have a an alternate pair. It's it's the moose knuckle pants.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:02

There's probably a band out there called Moose Knuckle.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:05

That's why you they couldn't go with that. Well, does anybody prank all people anymore?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:13

No, it's no fun anymore.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:15

Crank Yankers. Remember when crank yankers was a thing? People got uh people got caller IDs now. Yeah, voice changers now.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:21

Can you star 67? Nobody like picks up on a number that's gonna be. Yeah, I'm not going to because the voicemail. The voicemail, you can't prank voicemail somebody.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:29

And you get a you pick up your phone, you see it's from a number you don't know. You fucking just they'll leave a voicemail.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:34

You know, I'm starting to hear the Baltimore accent. Are you a little bit? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:38

No way.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:40

No way, hon. Some what some words you say. Like what? I'm getting adjusted to it now. Whatever you were saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:48

Whatever you're saying, okay. Keep the laugh. A couple more bourbons will really come out, probably. Well, poker's later. Who knows what's gonna happen?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:57

Justin's driving.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:58

Poker?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:59

Poker? Down Downey Belleville town.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:03

That was awesome. Oh, Zealand.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:05

It's gonna be now. It's gonna be a late Sunday, isn't it? Yeah, you slip into it like a nice pair of slippers. Yeah, we need to have a whole I had to try my whole life to get rid of this. Accent? Oh my god. Don't even talk about it. Louisiana Cajun accent. Oh my god. Who is got um Ed Orgeron, the old LSU head coach? Dude, that you know Ed Orgeron? Familiar? Yeah. I'm pretty sure you're pronouncing his last name incorrectly, but go ahead. Ed Orgeron? Go ahead. Maybe because it's not doesn't have the Cajun flare on it. Oh coach O. Coach O, I think they all called him, but like, dude, that guy was like born to coach LSU football. Yeah, he was. He was like, he was like the really Cajun dude in the water boy. It was like, dude, every time he did a press conference, I was like, dude, this guy has to be their coach. Like there's they can't have anyone else ever. If he got fired, they'd like take his accent away from him, they like give it back. Right. Oh man. Alright, what are we on here? Where are we at? We did props. That's I think that's probably it. Probably it. Did I miss anything? I don't think so. So a rep final score. Final score. Yeah, one more, one more really, really deep cut. Uh oh. At the swap meet, right? Random transition. The one guy's looking at like a painting and he goes, fucking Don Knotts. Everyone knows Don Knotts is Barney Fight. Who was doing the painting? Was it the the dot? No, it was like the daughter. What was it? The daughter who was painting? I thought it was just a random painting.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:39

No, it was somebody it was one of the main characters, had her own little booth. They were doing paintings and it was fucking Don Knotts. I was like, it that's Don Knotts. And the guy was like, fuck yeah, Don Knotts.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:49

Well, so Don Knotts, his father had schizophrenia. He often terrorized his son Don with a knife when he was a young child. I wonder if that was thrown in as like a super, super deep, deep Easter egg that like Beverly's got some skizophrenia.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:05

You know, waters kind of looks, has kind of like a Don Knotts looking a little Barney Fife look, kind of too. Big eyes, too skinny. You know, kind of like I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Who knows? We don't knotts.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:18

Unknowable jinx. Holy fucking shit. Is this the cocksucker residence? Sorry, I had to get that in one more time. Alright, final thoughts.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:29

Final thoughts.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:30

Probably never watch it again, but I'm glad that I watched it for Mike. I mean, Mike who brought me pieces. I just wanted to bring you a laugh, guys. Right. I know it's more on the comedy than the horror side. I wanted to make you laugh. I mean, it had to be rated R because the F-bombs airdropping. There were some kills. Cocksucker. Big fucker. Yeah. Dang, it's like you're making a song. Is that Olivia Rodrigo? Camel lip song. I would give it somewhere above the middle of the road, you know, just because it's a it's a fun black comedy, and it's I would almost say tangentially. No.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:07

Like not like what's not adjacent. It like it almost shares the Venn diagram with horror, I'd say. It's like it's right there. There's a big slide.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:15

I would think there were some missed opportunities to make this a little bit bloodier. And they could have kept the comedy parts of it, and they could have they could have brought us a little bit more gore. And it would it would not have made the movie. For me, it would have made the movie better.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:33

Yeah, I'm fine with that. I think that I think that they wanted to, and I'm just hypothesizing, I'm just guessing. It might not be Waters' intention. I feel like they wanted to maybe appeal to a broader audience with this, where like Pink Flamingos is certainly not for a broad audience. It's not for everybody. But movies like Hairspray and Crybaby are for everyone, but also they're PG. Like they're they're silly, they're goofy, they're zany, but they're PG. They're not like crossing the line into some of the stuff serial mom does. I think they wanted to make an R-rated movie, but that was for a lot of people. And and Waters has even said that Serial Mom, like if you like his pink flamingos and Mondo Trasho and multiple maniacs, if you like that kind of stuff, those people love serial mom too. And the people that love Crybaby and Hairspray, which is PG-rated, completely different than what pink flamingos is, also love serial too. So I think they were trying to like meet the expectations for everybody. It's it's $13 million budget, which is the biggest he'd ever had. It's his third Hollywood movie. I think they wanted to try to reach as many people as possible, and maybe that's why they didn't go too hard on the gore, on the horror aspect, and try to keep it lighthearted so that like you could bring a 13-year-old to this and be fine. Yeah, you know, I can see that and explain about them giant jugs. Right. Except for that part.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:02

And what's going on with Scotty under those blankets? No, we're not talking about that.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:09

But yeah, I mean let's be real.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:12

He the movie didn't make money, but he hit the mark for what he was trying to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:19

I I think it he was successful. Yeah. I think Waters also, he's asking you to like Kathleen Turner's character, despite the fact that she's killing people. It's like an anti-hero, which again, the courtroom erupts when she gets found not guilty. The the merch and and like the other mothers that are like, I'd like to kill a few people myself, and being safe saying that out loud. Like, I think that like is what Waters is trying to get to. Like, I want you to like this person and root for this person to bite despite the fact that she's a serial killer, and that's really, really tough to do. And it's anti-hero-ish before we had Tony Soprano, before we had Walter White, even Walter White, people get to a point in this in Breaking Bad. There's a point somewhere in the series for everyone in Breaking Bad where they're like, fuck, like, fuck you, Walter White. Like, you're an anti-hero, we like you, we're rooting for you. But they get to a certain point, and it's for me. Spoiler, the show's been out for fucking 15 years. Wow, spoilers. When when we find out that he's the one that poisoned the little boy with the flower, with the herbs, or whatever. At that point, I'm like, man, fuck this guy. For everyone, it's a little different, might be a different scene or a different episode. But at some point, you're like, fuck this guy. And and they it it's you don't get to there with Kathleen, with Kathleen Turner. Yeah, I never once rooted against her. Everyone's wanting her to get caught. Yeah, everyone's rooting for her at a certain point. You know, she just she disposes witness after witness and win wins this case, and the crowd just erupts. So I I think it's a really hard thing that they were trying to pull off, and I think Waters pulled it off. It's satire, so you can bend the rules, like you know, having no objections in the ground. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:01

Is that what you're doing, Justin?

SPEAKER_03 1:49:03

How'd you know? Yeah, I mean, it yeah. Justin, any final thoughts? No, uh, I it was a blast from the past. I I hadn't seen this one in probably 20 years or whatever, and I checked it out again, and I remember why it was pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:24

Well, better than pretty good, but alright. Wow. All right. Happy birthday, John Waters. Happy 80th birthday, if you happen to catch this. Probably. I'm sure he will. He will. Let's get an alert. Our next host is All of Us. We're gonna pull out a 10 pole episode for our next episode. We haven't picked that one yet. That's what I was doing on my phone. I was looking to see what I was gonna pick next. It's Chesse Morgan all the way. That too. It can multi tap. So give us uh what do we got? Well, I showed you. So I was thinking I was thinking. I was thinking that. In about a month, a little more than a month, Evil Dead Right Evil Dead Burn comes out. Oh. Maybe we should tackle the Evil Dead. It's gotta be two. Two is the I saw them both in the theater. Evil Dead, like I think Evil Dead One is as a horror movie, is a better horror movie, but I think Evil Dead Two is a more entertaining film. There's some more comedy, they've got a little bit more of a budget.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:27

It's the more well acclaimed of the two. Okay, so you're going Evil Dead 2, I'm going Evil Dead 1, Mike Tiebreaker. Two goddamn.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:36

I mean, you can pick one. Well, I'm gonna is it possible to do both in one episode? I think we need to have a conversation. I think we'll there has to be a conversation about the difference between the two because it is a weird sequel and reboot at the same time. It's it's got elements of both. So to talk to dissect that a little bit would be worth it. Like, could we do one and two in one like no?

SPEAKER_02 1:51:02

I I think we just we pick two, we go with two, I'll do one later, and then we'll bring we'll talk about the both. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:12

Oh, okay. So we want we want to do two next. Let's do it. Hell yeah. All right, guys. Next week, Evil Dead 2. Yep. Little primer for you for Evil Dead Burn coming out. Yep. Topical. I I haven't seen one of these that I didn't like. I mean, even the the remakes and the later sequels, I'm just fan. Yeah. Yep. The one Sam's not affiliated with at all. Whatever, you know. I'm down. Wait, is which one is Chesty Morgan in? Uh all of them. Fun fact about Scare Facts, Scarefest in Lexington. We've got Sam Raimi and Fetty Avarez, who directed the reboot. Yeah, so we've got several of the Raymond. Bruce Campbell has cancer. Right. Yeah. So he's delighted to be there. But yeah. Uh he's I it's it's gotta be cancer. I don't know if I'm gonna go. Oh, it's definitely cancer. Yeah. All the best. Yeah. Wish him well. All right, guys. So Evil Dead 2 next week.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:12

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:12

Anything else before we get out of here? No. All right. Well, thank you all for listening to the All Gutsogory podcast. If you like what we do here, best thing you can do for us is rate and review wherever you get your podcasts. Tell your friends to listen. If they like it, they can rate and review as well. Follow us on the gram at all gut so gory pod. Drop us some fan mail in the link. Drop us some fan mail in the link of all of our show notes. If you have a movie request or something you want us to talk about, we can do that. We just did heretic a little weeks ago for someone's birthday as a fan pick. So Chesty Morgan, thank you for your service. Go ahead, go ahead. Chesty and her Morgans and her deadly weapons, apparently. Mass destruction weapons. All right. Um, we'll have a mini episode before we get to Evil Dead 2, I think. We'll find out. We'll see. But if not, Evil Dead 2 is up next. I'm Mike for Justin, for Charlie. This is all got so gory. Andy, take us home. This is the end friend.