Evil Dead II (1987) A Horror Masterclass in so Many Ways

It's yet another all hands pick on All Guts So Gory. This week the groovy guys dive into Evil Dead II! Sam Raimi makes the most of every second he shoots, and Bruce Campbell steals the show. Athletic film making. A tour de force performance. Iconic imagery from the series comes to life in the sequel. We'll get to the original another day. But of the first two in the franchise, the sequel might be king. 

Evil Dead II is written and directed by Sam Raimi. Staring Bruce Campbell and Sarah Berry.

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SPEAKER_06 0:00

Coming up next, all guts so gory presents the groovyest horror movie around. Nineteen eighty-sevens Evil Dead 2.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

Four years ago, in this quiet forest, in this cozy cabin, something happened. Something so frightening. Something so deadly. We prayed it would never happen again. Now from the creation of Evil Dead comes evil Dead to Dead by Dawn. Now playing at a theater near you consult local listings. The mad and macabre.

SPEAKER_06 1:01

Welcome to the All Guts So Gory podcast. Our conversation today is a tent pole film that the three of us have chosen to do, and it is on Evil Dead 2. I'm Mike, joined as always by Charlie and Justin. And if you've listened to us here on this pod for a while, you know our style, our shtick, the thing that we kind of do to be a little bit different from the other pods, is that each host makes a pick and then they host that episode. Just like if you're walking into your local neighborhood video store and you see Charlie's picks on the wall and Justin's picks on the wall, etc., and you start to gain a little, you know, love for one employee versus another. This is one that's not in one of those picks columns. This is one that's on a shelf front and center reserved for the elite, must-see horror flicks alongside The Thing, Scream, Silence of the Lambs, or a few of those elite tent pole films that we've covered. And now we're doing another one to add to that shelf.

SPEAKER_04 1:58

And it's it's behind glass that's locked. Like if you don't deserve to watch that movie, uh, you know, we are we will gatekeep you away from it. I'm going to watch these three movies first. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:10

Pieces, martyrs, and serial mom. Pieces, yes. Martyrs, no. And then you can watch Evil Dead 2. So Evil Dead 2. Let's uh let's dive into this. And Justin, I'll start with you. Yeah, yeah. We we talked about this, and and you advocated to skip part one and cover just part two. You do have the Evil Dead 2 poster on your wall behind us in our studio basement where we record. Talk to us about your relationship with Evil Dead 2. We're going steady. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:40

Like yeah, we're like necking under the bleachers and stuff. Okay. Necking under the screen.

SPEAKER_04 2:44

People say that. They didn't say that when you were in 70. They didn't say that when I was in school.

SPEAKER_05 2:49

Knocking boots, making the fonts. Ayy. No, this is one that I saw. Yeah, I mean, common theme. We can even skip this part where we say we saw this too early. 87, I was six. I did not see it at six. I probably saw it more around 10-ish years old. There's a video that my uh my dad had, and it's oh, yeah, that's bad parenting in the closet, you know. That like you know, and before that, though, the box for it was just always so like draw you draw you in. That skull with the eyeballs on it, yeah. Yeah, wonderful, not in the movie at all. So little little sneak into my brain here though, which you know you guys don't need, but as a kid, I felt bad about watching Evil Dead 2 before seeing Evil Dead 1. I was like, I can't. What if I don't know what's going on? So as a kid, I had that anxiety. All right, and so the reason I advocated for doing this one is because they had 10 times the budget, they were able to put together a more finished video. They were able to work with the same team, a lot of the same team, but they were able to perfect some of the tricks of the trade that they're working on. This is one of those movies where if you want to get into the movie business of special effects, this is like a boot camp, right? If you watch the behind the scenes, this is like they will show you they use all the tricks of the trade with their three and a half million dollars that they had on this one. Camera angles, prosthetics, plaster casts, stop motion, they used everything, right? So I love this one because it's the first, it kind of shapes where the franchise goes to its doom in a weird way. Because this is the one that said, We know what we have with Bruce Campbell, we are not afraid to show you what we have with Bruce Campbell, and we're gonna let him cook, but not as much as they let him cook in Army of Darkness. But this is the one that said, We are camp, we are having fun, this is what we want, right? And unfortunately, Army of Darkness was not well received, so it kind of shuddered the franchise for a minute, right? It's a great movie, right?

SPEAKER_06 4:56

So that was enough on my high horse there. Charlie, the 1980s is your wheelhouse. Memories does Evil Dead 2 churn up from your childhood.

SPEAKER_04 5:05

Watching horror movies and laying pipe. Um 87 year I graduated high school. I did not fail, so I'm not that old. This I remember, so I'm in it, you know, I'm gonna pull from Evil Dead every once in a while during this podcast. I can't help it. Evil Dead, I saw in the theater and in my little town, hometown, one screen and scared the shit out of me. And Evil Dead 2, I was like, oh, this is this is got this is gonna be good. This is gonna be good. Because it got more hype, got pumped up, and I went in and watched it and it did not disappoint. Okay. And bay, but you know, I mean, it is a reimagining of the first movie, right? Yeah, we'll talk on that first. Yeah, yeah. It's you know, it's like what is it, Return of the Living Dead, Return of the Living Dead 2? It's the same thing, yeah. Just just differ done differently. But this movie was like, holy shit, I Evil Dead 2, Bruce Campbell, he's in the first one, he's not the Bruce Campbell that everyone knows now. Right. And in the second movie, they let him cook, and he's good. And you could tell it's you know, it's low three million dollars is a lot of money back then, but it's still low budget.

SPEAKER_05 6:24

A lot happens in this movie, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:25

Yeah, and I just love the whole franchise. I like Ash versus Evil Dead. They they brought back the same cinematography style, and it was just great.

SPEAKER_05 6:35

I loved it. I think Nicotera was back for the series too, Greg Nicotero. And obviously it was produced by Sam Raimi. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 6:43

Yeah. My relationship with Evil Dead, the franchise, or at least the first two here, I was late to it. I my I've talked before about growing up, we've all seen horror movies too little, and my older cousins had the big VHS collection of horror, and Evil Dead wasn't on the shelf. And even when I went to the video store, like Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2 were just not ones I picked up. I vividly remember the box for Evil Dead 2, like you said, Justin, but it's one I never picked up. It wasn't until I was an adult, like in the early 2000s, that a friend of mine was like, dude, like Bruce Campbell's the fucking man, and you need to watch LF Evil Dead. And I was like, All right. And I watched The Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2 back to back with him, and I was like, dude, that Bruce Campbell's fucking amazing. Like, what else is he doing? And this is really your genre, right? Yeah, oh yeah, it's splatter, it's splat stick is what they call it. Splat stick, this one definitely is. So I was like, that was fucking awesome. Like Evil Dead One, I'd put it ahead of Friday the 13th. Like, as far as that these kind of movies go. What? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:50

Yeah, I love Friday the 13th.

SPEAKER_06 7:52

I do, but but Evil Dead One, it's just yeah, it's it's I mean, I love Friday the 13th, but I also love Evil Dead One, Evil Dead Two. Yeah, it's just so good. Like Sam Raimi's doing stuff that fucking uh Sean Cunningham is not doing, right? Yeah, to say the least. Taking swings, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:09

For Justin, who is uh Sean Cunningham?

SPEAKER_05 8:11

It's Friday the 13th.

SPEAKER_04 8:13

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 8:13

So so just one more thing on that is I would venture to say that most people, not Charlie, because we just learned that, saw two before one because it was more accessible, like it was more available. I don't think you could find Evil Dead One in the video stores. At least I don't remember it being in video stores. It took a while. It wasn't until Evil Dead Two came out in theaters, I think.

SPEAKER_06 8:36

Right. So it's and I don't recall either of them being like having cable runs or like sci-fi channel playing them at midnight. Like they used to play the Friday the 13th. They would USA Network would play Halloween's and Chucky's and Freddy's and like Evil Dead was never in that rotation.

SPEAKER_04 8:52

It's too much.

SPEAKER_06 8:53

Looking back, it seems they are unrated, they're not R-rated.

SPEAKER_05 8:55

It does seem to me almost comical looking back to say that the censors had major problems with movies like this, the reanimator, Dead on Beyond. Right from beyond, like just the the ones that are it's so obviously fake, but I mean there's just so much like gore and stuff. Yeah, where it's like, oh, this nobody needs to see this, right? I think that it falls in that category where you had to go to your friend's house who owned it, you know, and you had to like watch it in an alley almost. Hey kid. Hey kid, you got five bucks? Kid, you want to see something?

SPEAKER_06 9:29

You want to see something? Whoa, damn. You sound too good at that, Charlie. Yeah, so I guess there's a reason why we're skipping part one and doing part two as our 10 pole. And I mean, do you want to talk about what that might be? Like the differences between part one and two. Let's do it. Whatever we want. I in my opinion, is like part one's a straight-up horror. It's horror. It starts with a group of budget people, a group of people go for this weekend getaway to cabin. Guy, his girlfriend, his sister, they get picked off kind of one by one. Right. A double date plus a sister. Yeah, right. And Bruce Campbell really isn't doing anything until about 40, 30 minutes left in the movie. Yeah. I mean, not that he's not doing anything, but it becomes a Bruce Campbell show within the last 20 to 30 minutes. I heard a Bruce Campbell. Evil Dead 2 is a Bruce Campbell practically solo performance the whole thing. For a long time. That is just a knockout. It's a 10 out of 10.

SPEAKER_05 10:21

So Bruce Campbell interview said if you take the whole first movie and you splice the very end of the first movie into where Ash gets carried off into the woods, spinning around with the Raimi camera, and start from there. That's when it becomes a sequel. The rest is basically a almost like a recap, but a retelling because they couldn't reference the original movie because the characters they sold the rights to New Line Cinema for the movie, but they still retain the rights to the characters.

SPEAKER_06 10:52

So that first like third of the movie is all just like then retelling. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why Evil Dead 2, they're going to a cabin, but it's just it's just Ash and Linda. It's gotta be more than seven minutes. Instead of like at least 20.

SPEAKER_05 11:07

No, it's whatever. No, because like he chops off a head and then takes it.

SPEAKER_06 11:10

Depends on who you ask. Some say five, some say seven, some say first, third. It depends on who you ask. But from the part where he plays the tape and Linda gets taken, then that's basically where we're at. When when the Dead Eight comes back through the front door, that's the retelling. That's exactly right. That's where like Evil Dead 2 was supposed to technically start. Because they couldn't use clips from the original movie. Like Friday the 13th did this. They play the last five minutes in part two. They start with playing the last five minutes of the previous one and then start part two in part three and four and five. They all did it.

SPEAKER_04 11:43

I think this is the rare occasion where there's two movies, they're both tentholes, one and two.

SPEAKER_06 11:50

I agree. I mean, but like some people like this is a remake, it's not a remake, it's a sequel. This is a hundred percent a sequel, it's not a retelling, it's no memory of the first movie. It's a brand new recap plus a sequel. Yeah, right. That's all it is. Right. So you can not watch the first one and watch the second one and not miss a basically be like you would not not understand where.

SPEAKER_05 12:11

A lot of people are like, I guess people ask, you know, Ash, Bruce, Bruce Campbell. They ask him, they're like, why would Ash go back to the cabin? And like that's the biggest thing he has to explain. He's like, no, he he wouldn't go back to the cabin. Like, just but we need to fill 10 minutes. Yeah, we need to we need to bring you up to speed on something, you know.

SPEAKER_04 12:31

Yeah, right. We can't just jump in where he like wakes up.

SPEAKER_06 12:35

Could so good though with the madness happening, they probably would have gotten sued. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 12:43

I mean, part two, I think, is where all the iconic iconography comes from with this series, too. Like, part one is great for a horror movie, it's fucking great. But no change. But part two, you don't get chainsaw in, you don't get boomstick, you don't get groovy, you don't get swallow this. There's more, I think there's more practical effects, maybe in part one, but there's more blood. Maybe not even part one is probably gorier if I had to think about it. It's more part two is more comical, relatable. Oh, for sure. The amount of blood is comic, whereas part one is a lot of effects, a lot of monster stuff, but it's gorier. Nothing will ever beat. Part two is like sloppier.

SPEAKER_04 13:19

For me, nothing will ever beat that pencil stab in the leg. Yeah. I mean, that is that would always be for me. That will always make the first movie better. And like every movie of any genre of in subgenre in horror has to live up to that.

SPEAKER_05 13:37

Can we talk real quick about the newer ones? The Fetty Abras one, loved it, probably the scariest of the series. The remake Evil Dead. Oh, it was that was the scariest of them. And then Evil Dead was also more leaning horror than Campy, for sure. Like a lot more horror than and I'm excited about Burn Coming too.

SPEAKER_06 13:59

Yeah, when we saw Corporate Retreat, they had a which don't go see, but they had a trailer for Evil Dead Burn, and we both closed our eyes. And from listening to it, it does not sound it doesn't sound comical. No. Just from what I heard. Yeah, these are different movies. This does not sound like a comedy. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:18

There's parts of it that I'm I do miss some of the fun, but like I'm more drawn towards the movie. They found a way to work it in.

SPEAKER_04 14:26

They they red a tempole movie, which the new exorcist movie, I I'm not confident. I'm not confident. But they did it in a way, the really the only way you could do it. You can't remake you can't find a new younger Bruce Campbell actor to fill those. You can't replace Bruce. You have to just carry on. The basic story is the book.

SPEAKER_06 14:49

The the what's that book called again? Necronomicon. Necrocomicon.

SPEAKER_05 14:57

We all have like one little air we've made on this that we just keep bragging each other about. Mr. Sleep. And I've got the 12 Cloverfield Lane. And then we've got Necrocomicon over here. 13 Cloverfield Lane.

SPEAKER_06 15:08

That's on the other side of the area. They should just take Cloverfield Lane and make it different numbers and just tell the same story, but it's the neighbors on each side of the house. That's a trilogy. 8, 12, and 13 Cloverfield Lane. It's a trilogy. And then we move on to Cloverfield Place. Oh man. Justin, that's your homework is to write three scripts, each from a different neighbor's perspective.

SPEAKER_04 15:30

All right. Now that we've uh all polished the balls of evil devils, Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell. Sam Raimi. Which seriously, that's let's get in it.

SPEAKER_05 15:39

As far as recap, I mean the special effects people, you know, talk about Greg Necatero if you want to, but like Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell are irreplaceable in this series, right?

SPEAKER_06 15:50

Absolutely. This is a performance that goes down in history, in my opinion. It's amazing. This came out in the golden age of slashers and gory practical effects, as we talked about. The practical effects, like I feel like the thing set the bar in 82 and this coming out in 87, like it's up there, like with thing as far as just like holy shit, how are they doing that kind of stuff? And then yeah, the tagline for this, I don't know if there's a tagline. It's called I've seen in some places Dead by Dawn is on the box, yeah. But other people have called this Evil Dead 2 colon Dead by Dawn.

SPEAKER_05 16:27

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 16:27

But also it's if you search it anywhere, it's just called Evil Dead 2. So I think some people call it Dead by Dawn. Other people are like, let's the tagline on the box. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 16:36

I'm just gonna say Star Wars is Star Wars, it's not a new hope. Right. It's not episode four. It's Star Wars.

SPEAKER_06 16:45

Star Wars? Well, which one? Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05 16:48

Have you guys seen Match versus Evil Dead? Are you familiar with it? Yeah, same. Love it. Love it. Same. It's so good, so fun. And there's a musical. There is an Evil Dead musical. There is, and it is amazing. My family and I went to Kansas City. My wife and daughter sat in the uh splatter zone and just got blasted by so much like fake blood and stuff. It's it's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_06 17:13

Sounds like a guar concert.

SPEAKER_05 17:15

It's good, except no, nothing coming out of penises in this one. Unfortunately. If it comes to St. Louis, I might go to it. I mean, it's good. Funny song. We all three should go to it. Ranchy.

SPEAKER_06 17:24

I'll go see it. Yeah, I like Ronch. So Sam Raimi. What do you guys want to talk about with Sam Raimi? His style is unique. You can watch a certain movie and not even know if it's him, but you'll see some stuff and be like, ah, Sam Raimi probably did this.

SPEAKER_03 17:38

Right.

SPEAKER_05 17:38

Here's what I'll say first, and probably not much more, but like when I when it says directed by Sam Raimi or even produced by, but that one you can get in some trouble with like Lockton. Yeah. But like if it says directed by Sam Raimi, I'm going. Right. Yeah. So I mean he's still doing his thing.

SPEAKER_04 17:58

I like that he his movie Send Help. I like that he put that out. I mean, it's not zombies, it's not Evil Dead. It's completely different and really, really good.

SPEAKER_05 18:09

Well, he are we on the actual part where we're talking about the Sam Raimi. I guess Simple Plan. He did that one. The Gift, he did that one. He did Spider-Man one, two, a three. The gift is that the Katie Holmes? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Do they talk about in Harold and Kumar go to Watch? Exactly. It's the opposite of the Holy Got. Oh, there they are, there they are. Katie Holmes. Right. Yeah. Drag Me to Hell, which was amazing. So good. For it's PG 13, I think, too. It was it was it was PG Awesome. Yeah. Whatever it was, it was good. Yeah, no, I'm a big fan. Styles all over, you know, each movie. Normally it involves goo flying into mouths and eyeballs and faces, but you know, hey, that's your thing, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:49

For it. I I even agree. I like the original Spider-Man. He directed that. Spider-Man 1, 2, and 3. Bruce Campbell. I think they're not in they're not in the Marvel universe, which I don't care. Did everybody see the I thought that was cool when I first saw it?

SPEAKER_04 19:03

That was a whole Sony's right. Right, Sony versus Marvel, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:07

So did everybody see the Easter egg in Send Help? Oh, I don't know. No. Tell me about it. So the son that takes over the company in Send Help. Yeah. On his office is Bruce Campbell's picture, like he's like his dad, right? Oh yeah. I missed that.

SPEAKER_06 19:23

Damn it. That's awesome. That is awesome.

SPEAKER_05 19:27

Apparently, apparently Sam Raimi's a big Wes Craven fan, too.

SPEAKER_06 19:30

I don't know if it's a fan or it's a friendly rivalry kind of thing, because they've gone back and forth. So in Evil Dead 1, they put a their hills have eyes poster torn on the wall. So people are like, is that homage to Craven or is that my movie's better? That's why I'm tearing it.

SPEAKER_05 19:50

Friendly rivalry? I think yeah, it's a friendly friend enemies. Yeah. And then you guys saw the glove. And then the glove in the workshop.

SPEAKER_06 19:58

And in Nightmare on Elm Street, Nancy falls asleep watching Evil Dead. I think people read from that, like, oh, is Craven trying to say that Evil Dead's boring and that's why she fell asleep? Wow. So it's is it friends? Is it enemies? Is it frenemies? Yeah. They're probably frenemies. They probably respect each other's shit for sure.

SPEAKER_05 20:16

Did you guys do the research where it found out that like Bruce Campbell? Who are you talking to? You can stop right there. Answer your own question. Did you come stumble across that Bruce Campbell did not have formal acting training? He is he's a long life friend of well older childhood friend, like high school. Him and Raimi went to high school together. Right. And they would they would film like backyard wrestling things, they would film all these little action flips.

SPEAKER_06 20:40

Campbell's filmography has like 30 things that are like 10 minutes long that don't even have a picture to go along with it before Evil Dead.

SPEAKER_05 20:48

Bruce Bruce did all his own stunts, did his own flip over himself. Yeah, did all his own stuff. He's been called the the king of backwards acting. So meaning like if they're going to shoot a scene like it's like it's straight up going forward, but they really had to do the reverse, he's really good at making that look seamless. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 21:05

Oh yeah, I've heard that. Yeah, the the whole the scene where he's in the kitchen with the plates and crawling across the floor, that's improvised by Campbell. That wasn't like it's they're like just go crazy in this kitchen, basically. And then he does. So there's like five minutes there where it's just him being him and not being told, like, hit this mark, hit that mark, do this, do that. They're like, just go nuts. And he does.

SPEAKER_05 21:26

I don't think this movie works if everybody in there doesn't like run for through a wall for each other because they were shooting literally. It's hard to be cocaine. Probably. They were shooting like 12 hour scenes to get, like like two scenes, right? And they were it was the miserable apparently, but the the energy they kept. Apparently, Sam Raimi is a huge three stooges guy. And that comes through, doesn't it? It wasn't. So that comes through in the filming and the you know, the choreography and stuff. So there's just a Crazy energy the whole time. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Where are we at? We were at the end. Holly Fame.

SPEAKER_06 22:07

Well, we went from Raimi. We talked about Bruce Campbell. Talked about so him, high school friends with Sam Raimi. Those two gather with Ron Tappert. They raised who produced Evil Dead. They raised $350,000 to fund the original The Evil Dead. They made the short film Within the Woods in 1978, where four friends go to a cabin and desecrate an Indian burial ground and become reanimated. And then that would be proof of concept, basically, for what would become Evil Dead. This 30-minute short called Within the Woods. Horror royalty ever since. So you know. Even in like some of Sam Raimi's stuff, like there's parts where Bruce Campbell just has like bit parts or cameos, but Campbell's in almost everything that Raimi does. So maybe that's why the sign or his picture in Send Help is there. Unfortunately, I mean we learned recently he's battling cancer right now. Pretty sad. Wish him the best. He's a fucking legend, and you hate to hear that. But yeah, hopefully he he kicks its ass. Cancer sucks. Tell me about it. Yeah, you would know for sure. You kicked its ass. So far. He said swallow this, is what he said. Some other stars in this movie. I'm gonna use the work term stars very loosely. Sarah Barry. She is Chud Three. Yeah, she's Chud Chud Two or three. She's Annie in this. Dan Hicks is probably the biggest star to come out of this. Plays Jake. He's in Maniac Cop with Bruce Campbell. He's an intruder, starring Sam Raimi in a small Bruce Campbell part. Directed Intruder is also directed by Scott Spiegel, who co-wrote Evil Dead 2. Richard Domir. Domier? Richard Domier. Domier. Sure. Yep. He's Ed. Most of his other roles that he's in, he's either waiter or doctor or linebacker. Like he doesn't have a name.

SPEAKER_04 24:03

Episode number three.

SPEAKER_06 24:04

Yeah. Denise Bixler is Linda. Nothing more there. And Cassie Wesley. She plays Bobby Joe. Fuck ton of soap opera work. Bobby Joe. Bobby Joe. And not much else. Like a thousand episodes on three different soap operas.

SPEAKER_05 24:19

Bobby, like I don't know what the deal is with Jake and Bobby Joe. We didn't get to that, but like Bobby Joe's out of his league.

SPEAKER_04 24:26

It looks like a trailer park, even worse trailer parking lot.

SPEAKER_05 24:30

Maybe like second cousin. Yeah. He's swinging above his weight. Jake never met a toothbrush he liked. Well, they just kept going through his teeth, you know, just in between them. You know. I don't know. He's got something Bob Joe likes. So it is that trust.

SPEAKER_06 24:54

Then we got this movie made on a $3.6 million budget. Grossed $5.9 million.

SPEAKER_05 25:00

Success. And bursting in the door like a Candarian demon. My son, Atticus, fresh out of the pool, the 60-degree pool.

SPEAKER_06 25:12

What's up, man? What's up? What's up? Don't knock 60 degree pools. If it's not going to be refreshing, why get in? Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_05 25:20

There's a difference.

SPEAKER_06 25:20

In the summertime when the pool's like 90 degrees, I'm like, what's the point? Taking a shower taking a bath.

SPEAKER_05 25:27

Sticking your hand in an hypothermia. Yeah. Anyway, so I want it to go up in me. That's how old I want it to be.

SPEAKER_04 25:36

We needed to talk about this a little bit more.

SPEAKER_05 25:38

Like the tree from Evil Dead One. Maybe Mike has himself he wants to get off his chest. Okay. It's 2026. It's all good, man. It's all good. So I like a cold pool. Atticus. You missed us talking high level about the movie, our relationship with it. Bruce Campbell, Sam Raimi. You got 30 seconds if you want to cook on any of that stuff. What do you want to say? Do you love this movie?

SPEAKER_02 26:05

Yeah, I like the movie a lot. I think it's a real fun time. I like how it's a good movie.

SPEAKER_05 26:13

That's deep.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

And isn't it like uh Sam Raimi's brother? He plays the monster, like the mom.

SPEAKER_05 26:18

Ted Raimi.

SPEAKER_02 26:19

He also reprises that in Ash vs. the Evil Dead, the show, when he has to go spoiler, when he has to go back in time. He reprises that role.

SPEAKER_05 26:30

To the source, right?

SPEAKER_06 26:31

It's 11 years old.

SPEAKER_05 26:32

You can't spoil it anymore. Yeah, you can't spoil it anymore. And in that same season where is where Samara Weaving gets her break, her big break. Now I gotta go back and watch it again. That's the first time we hear her iconic sing song-y like scream scream. Like she's an amazing screamer. You don't have to watch it again. You get to watch it again.

SPEAKER_02 26:52

Anywho, so Bruce Campbell, love him? Oh yeah. Oh, oh yeah. He's I like how he's in like is he in every almost came.

SPEAKER_05 27:05

The Spider-Man's. He was in more Dr. Strange.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

He was even in like, like, wasn't he in kind of Sent Help? Sent Help, yep.

SPEAKER_04 27:12

He was literally is he the original Scream King?

SPEAKER_06 27:16

I don't know. I don't see gender that way.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

I also like like he's in Spider-Man. Amazing. Do you know who he was in Spider-Man?

SPEAKER_05 27:28

I mean he wasn't Bone Saw, but he definitely was announcing who Bone Saw was. Bone Saw. Bone Saw. A fun fact about Bruce Campbell, I think I saw Briscoe County Jr. before this one, before Evil Dead 2. Really?

SPEAKER_04 27:46

I liked that shit.

SPEAKER_06 27:46

Or it was right right around the same time. What about Bubba Hope Tip? Bubba Hope Tip was fun. It was not good, but it was fun.

SPEAKER_05 27:53

Soul sucking zombie. Yeah. Butt zombies. Anyway. Alright. Anything else you want to add about Sam Raimi or anything? I mean, he made the Hall of Fame, right?

SPEAKER_06 28:04

Already in inaugural class with us. Alright. So let's get into some more deeper stuff with this film. Evil Dead 2 was made on a $3.6 million budget, grossed $5.9 million. Probably can't ask for much more, but it's a good return.

SPEAKER_04 28:20

Yeah, for back then.

SPEAKER_06 28:21

Its legs were way longer in video and you know pop culture, right? Also, this came out March 13th, 1987. In the theaters around this time, within two weeks, either way, you had a nightmare on Elm Street 3, Dream Warriors, Justin's favorite. No. And a lot of people's favorite of that franchise. So you're going up against that. Angel Heart, Mickey Rourke, and De Niro. A really good movie. Horror flick. Or Deal with the Devil kind of flick. Really good movie. Lethal Weapon. Dude, Lethal Weapon fucking crushed everything. I saw Lethal Weapon in theaters.

SPEAKER_05 28:58

Tinman. That's bad parenting right there. Yeah. No, it's not. Six years old. Slow for this shit. Six? You said 87, yeah. So, like Wow. Yeah. That was one of those, like, they didn't want to find a babysitter, so they're just like, I'll just bring them along.

SPEAKER_06 29:11

Yeah. Were you quiet?

SPEAKER_05 29:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 29:14

Because I remember seeing American Sniper and a family brought like their eight kids that were like six and under to sit behind us. I'm like, are you serious? Like a nine o'clock showing of American Sniper. God damn it. Anyway. Oh, my parents are out there. Tin Man, Raising Arizona, all came out around this time. What a time for movies. What a good month. Metacritic score, 72. Not bad. It's in the green. It's well under the green. Solid for Metacritic. A little low, maybe, but there's a lot of very low. A lot of favorable reviews, though, but a lot of reviews in general. Some of them could have brought it down. Rotten Tomatoes, 88%. There we go. The fan score, 89%. There we go. Some of the notable reviews. Roger Ebert, who we've talked about a bit, a lot of the slashers and stuff like that, teen horror, he's out on. He just hates it, doesn't give it any stars. Gave this three stars. Wow. Wow. Said it's a comedy disguised as a blood-soaked shakarama. It looks superficially like a routine horror movie, a vomitorium designed to separate teenagers from their lunch. But look a little closer and you'll realize that the movie is a fairly sophisticated satire. He mentions the scene where Ash arms himself with the chainsaw, and the shotgun is reminiscent of De Niro arming himself in taxi driver. I don't know. I don't know if he really pulled from that, but sure. But Ebert seems to think so. Whatever. Variety, tough critics, gave this a 60 review, according to Metacritic, so not bad for Variety, who's tough. Called it a flashy, good-natured display of special effects and scare tactics that can only be taken for laughs. Like a little dig, subtle little dig there, but they seem to like it.

SPEAKER_05 30:59

And they're tough. I would say I agree with it though. I don't know if any of the first, like we've talked about, there's plenty of jump scares in this. First one had some great, like scary. Definitely. The second one is like these are more than a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_04 31:12

But I feel like Dawn of the Dead, the original, has higher scores.

SPEAKER_05 31:17

Atticus's favorite.

SPEAKER_04 31:18

And objectively, Atticus, it is not as good, acted, scripted, directed, as Evil Dead 2. And Dawn of the Dead is in my top five.

unknown 31:30

Alright.

SPEAKER_06 31:31

So let's uh do we want to get into the film? The end of the scenes? Now let's just turn it.

SPEAKER_04 31:36

Yeah, let's just stop. Let's stop right here.

SPEAKER_06 31:39

All right. So in the opening of this film, we talked about it a little bit. They didn't have the rights to include the shot for shot, the film from the end uh or from the beginning of Evil Dead 1 or the end of Evil Dead One into leading up to Evil Dead 2. So for this, they have Ash and Linda are going to a cabin, just like in part one, where the group is going to a cabin, although this time it's just the two of them. They get to this cabin, and Ash discovers the same tape player on the desk. He plays a recording, the same recording from the first movie. A recording that unleashes the deadites. The book of the dead is not there. It's the pages are come into play later, but the recording unleashes the deadites who come flying through the window and his girlfriend Linda. Goodbye, Linda. What do we think about the opening to this height to this film? Linda turns into a deadite. Ash goes to save her, sees what she's turned into, and chops her head off with a shovel.

SPEAKER_05 32:45

Basically, they had the to tell an entire movie in what you said, like 15 minutes or so, or whatever. That's later, I think. Are we not there yet?

SPEAKER_06 33:03

No. It's oh where'd you say we where'd you get it? Just the open. So he he chops Linda's head off with the shovel. Oh buries her. He puts the cross in the ground. Okay. He sees the necklace. It's confirming it's her, and that's when he buries her.

SPEAKER_05 33:15

He had went out there and she jumps scared, and then he had to lop the head off. Okay. Right. Sorry. But no, I I like the fast take of it. It's like, okay, this is what you would have missed if this would have been part one.

SPEAKER_06 33:29

Yeah. And I think he dreams that one is carrying him through the woods where it's kind of twilight out, and like you see that's the cam just fast moving. He's going through the woods, hitting branches, it's spinning him around, and then he lands in the puddle.

SPEAKER_05 33:44

Oh no, no, that wasn't a dream. That was like a like that's when he was like taken in by it. Almost like how Linda was uh possessed by the spirit. It burst through the window. So it took him through. They were beat the the way they shot it was funny. They were hitting him with branches and stuff in the background and spinning the camera. But okay, because he when he comes out of the puddle, he's uh dead eye.

SPEAKER_06 34:05

So then he like comes then he comes out of the puddle like himself. Like, what the fuck was that? Let's talk about that. So that's why I like interpreted as like, oh, he was dreaming that at first. Later we learn more. Let's nitpick here.

SPEAKER_05 34:17

But if we're gonna nitpick, they don't tell us how you can be possessed. Nope. They lay down zero. They don't tell us. Can everybody unpossess themselves? Can everybody just biding you? Does daytime have anything to do with it? But the tape that they play has some of the stuff. Yeah, but we don't know. Yeah, I have the theory.

SPEAKER_02 34:38

So my theory is if one person is possessed, if you are attacked or like even scratched, like attacked in any sort of way, you can be possessed by it. Okay. Or unconscious, I think.

SPEAKER_05 34:50

Unconscious is um spice. Weak willed, I feel like. Weak willed, unconscious, because Ed, when he was knocked out, he was possessed and popped up, right? Though that's why. I don't know a nud.

SPEAKER_04 35:06

Ed. Something we haven't talked about yet that I think we need to get in real quick is that the Book of the Dead was created by HP Lovecraft in the one of his stories, The Hound. So, I mean, a lot of movies, a lot of common modern horror reach back to HP Lovecraft.

SPEAKER_05 35:24

Okay, and I and I do I do want to give HP a little apology. It wasn't a dog that was named the N-word, it was a cat. It was a cat because named the N-word. And it was a childhood. That makes it so better. I mean still better. So HP Lovecrab, yeah. Also comes up in like the mummy and other things, the book of the dead or book of life and death. Yeah, yeah. I just wanted to get that out there. Okay, proceed. It's bounded in human flesh and written in human blood. Yeah. When the when the oceans ran with blood. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 36:02

As they did. It's a prop in our hall of fame. The Necronomicon. The Necromicon.

SPEAKER_03 36:08

I'll never forget how to say it from now on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:11

We're going to have a special episode because I think Apalo's going to want to jump in here at the end of it, too. She'll take my place. So, but where are we?

SPEAKER_06 36:20

So that's kind of yeah. So that that takes us to where I guess Evil Dead 2 technically starts. Yeah. Right? Where they are giving you a little recap about they got this cabin and then the Dead Eye comes and now they we're into the movie, right? Yeah, so he was a sole survivor and just didn't get away.

SPEAKER_05 36:39

My theory is that he is special. He has prophesized he is one that is resistant to the Deadites and the Candy and He's El Hefe. Yes. So he's prophesized that's why he was able to will the spirit out of him.

SPEAKER_04 36:53

Have you seen Ash versus Evil Dead?

SPEAKER_02 36:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:57

We're on season three, yeah. Okay. Because uh someone watch it. Someone aka person sitting across from me, aka my father, doesn't want to watch it anymore.

SPEAKER_05 37:08

I've got Alatta, also known as. Alright. What other ones?

SPEAKER_04 37:13

AKA Or the what's the AKA when he's not around, you're mad at him? Alright.

SPEAKER_06 37:19

So the real first scene then I guess we'll get into is Dead Eites, the POV is just moving fast through the woods, chases Ash back into the cabin and through the cabin. The camera work, the physical acting, just in fucking credible stuff. Something is chasing Ash through the cabin, through doors, through narrow halls, behind walls, then it pulls out of the cabin, goes in reverse like 80 miles an hour. And then like loses him. Yeah. It's just unreal stuff. And this is why like Raimi and like is the Hall of Fame. Like he wore a camera, did all this running. People were like pulling doors open where you couldn't see them with like a little rope. And there's parts where he's just busting through walls and going backwards. GoPro before GoPro. And to like be able to do all that and hit your marks and do all that stuff fast and ash being just out of reach, but still in frame. I mean, I can't imagine how they fucking pulled this shit off.

SPEAKER_05 38:19

Incredible. They did have it framed a little too high at one point, and you can see where this the stage is, and you can actually see like some feet of somebody when they're running through the cabin. But I mean, this was all filmed and shot in like a grade school in North Carolina, maybe. Yep.

SPEAKER_06 38:37

Well, built they built a studio and a gym in a school. Yeah. Any any other thoughts on that first death chase scene? That's just very incredible stuff. So fucking good. So Linda, then she rises from the dead. This is what you were talking about, Justin. She does her little dance number. Ash fights with her severed head, fights with her body. He's wielding the chainsaw, but it's not his chainsaw hand yet. But he goes, he's like woodshed, I think. Right? He says woodshed.

SPEAKER_05 39:05

Yeah, he says woodshed while he's while she's biting his hand. Yeah, she's biting his hand.

SPEAKER_06 39:09

Yeah, it's fighting with her head. He can't get it off of his hand. So many, like, yeah. Puts his puts her head in a vice.

SPEAKER_05 39:18

So finally get his hand off there. Hidden areas for Linda to pop her head into, right? Where's where she has to it has to go from an inanimate head to like her thing. So they built a lot of this is what I was talking about with the boot camp for like special effects. Like they he was on his knees. They built a whole fake legs that was holding her head, and like she was on her knees up underneath the fake legs kind of thing. Like just they did some awesome stuff in this. But yeah, so far, so good.

SPEAKER_04 39:47

It's yeah, basically fighting with the head, and then the headless body comes in, and then we get like some real gold motion stuff.

SPEAKER_05 39:54

It's just a Muppet underneath, you know, the thing that they're shaking back and forth, and it's awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 40:00

When her head's in a vice and he uses the chainsaw to just cut into her to finally kill her, you get blood going into Ash's mouth, you get black goo coming out of that thing. But he classic Raimi trope again, stuff going in people's mouths.

SPEAKER_04 40:15

And as gross as gory as the movie is, he does a lot of cutaway or silhouette. Like when he cuts his own hand off, you don't see that. You don't see cuts in the blood splat on him, right? It's a silhouette, a shadow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:30

Right. They were they were super careful. They were told that red is worse with the sensors. So that's why you'll see some red, you'll see some pink, you'll see some green, you'll see some black.

SPEAKER_06 40:42

Yellow.

SPEAKER_05 40:42

They're trying, yeah, they're doing all they can to like keep this R, but I don't know if they did gather. No, they didn't. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 40:48

This is unrated. Yeah. But yeah, they definitely were trying to not get the X rating, and they were like, Well, we use different colors, and they're like, No, no fucking way. Not buying it. But yeah, at this point, we also get like the light bulb gets covered in blood. I think that's a callback to the first movie where the light bulb fills with blood and like explodes, everything is all another light bulb comes back later for poor Jake. Yeah, yeah. And then after things kind of chill out, Ash is looking in the mirror and he says, You're fine. You're fine. But then Ash comes out of the mirror to grab himself. Do we look fine? We just cut up our girlfriend with a chainsaw. Do you does that sound fine? Evil Ash with a bigger chin. Right. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:34

They are well aware that his chin is too.

SPEAKER_06 41:37

He's the chin. Right. Yeah. So yeah, such such good stuff there. The next scene is where we get, you know, there's some kind of dead eight inside of Ash. He's lost control of one of his hands. And this to me, where the hand takes over and like the dead starts taking over inside of him is akin to like the Jim Carrey kicking his own ass in liar liar scene. Right. Where he's in the bathroom just beating himself up and punching himself in the face and throwing himself into the radiator. Like this is Ash is doing this before Jim Carrey did it with the physical acting and just like body made of rubber, contorting himself in just ways that you're look like it fucking hurts. And it's just it's amazing. The breaking his the plates against his face, and he just he can't help himself. Yeah, that was good. So good. Crawling across the floor with like with four fans. That was done really, really well.

SPEAKER_05 42:32

Obviously, he's pushing himself with his feet, but they can't the way the camera keeps on his still upper half. Like the rest of his body is just like completely motionless.

SPEAKER_06 42:41

Yeah. Any other comments on the the kitchen scene, the Bruce Campbell incredible solo performance there? Anything else?

SPEAKER_05 42:49

It is a scene. Much like Jack Nicholson's soliloquy in A Few Good Men and all that stuff. These it's a rewatchable where it's like, if it's anywhere near that scene, I'm gonna want to watch it, right? Yeah. He literally flips himself by his own head.

SPEAKER_04 43:06

Yeah. Wild. And then the hand's about to get the the cleaver. Yeah. And then he's that part they did show where he stabs his own hand to the floor.

SPEAKER_06 43:17

Yeah. The next scene then we have is the the fire hose of blood, if you will, or the blood flood, or after shooting the hands, whatever you want to call it. Everything starts going crazy. The hand. The head the the deer head starts going back and forth, the clock, the light bulbs. It's starting to look like the music video to I Got My Mind Set on You. It is. Oh, it's George Harrison playing the song in a chair. And like it's like a twenty or thirty animal heads and clocks and shit, just everything bobbing their head to the song. And then at one point, for some reason unknown, he just stands up and does a backflip and then sits back down and keeps playing the song. I mean Are we talking about the music or the video? Great music, man. Anyway, that's what it starts looking like in this house.

SPEAKER_05 44:06

That's probably my daughter's favorite scene where he's like bobbing up and down with the lamp and stuff and just completely losing his mind. The Pixar lamp? Yeah. The Pixar lamp.

SPEAKER_06 44:16

Completely losing his mind. That's where they got it from. He's laughing. They're all laughing. Yeah. Well, like Toy Story has the shining carpet in it, right? Maybe Pixar Lamp is really from Evil Dead. Could be. I mean, it looks exactly like it. Maybe. So then we kind of meet the rest of our cast. This is where we've skipped some of these scenes where like the where the bridge is out and stuff like that. Where Annie's coming in. But Annie comes in. This is her dad's cabin. She comes with Ed. Annie had been away and brings back the pages to the Book of the Dead that have the things that you need to read to dispel the evil. Ed is working with Annie in some capacity. Bobby Joe is Jake's girlfriend. Jake is, I guess, a tow truck driver. They're gonna fuck out of there. But Jake and Bobby Joe, they show up too. And this is where we get to meet that part of the cast, and then then in the next scene, Henrietta is in the cellar. So they they play the tape again, and Annie's dad, Annie hears her dad on the tape and talks about like Henrietta, who is Annie's mom. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:23

So they basically detain him, right?

SPEAKER_06 45:25

Throw Ash into wine cellar in the cellar. Eventually, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So Henrietta is down there who is Annie's mom. Yeah. Buried in the earthen floor of the cellar. Yeah. Ash is down there, reminiscent of part one, because Ash is down there too in part one, if I'm not mistaken. Or one of the Deadites is, and they lock him down. Yeah, part one. And so then the same thing, the same thing when Ash is down there this time, they use the chain and lock, try to lock that cellar opening. So very reminiscent of that. Jake ends up pulling him out. The eyeball goes flying. Famous eyeball scene. Pulls him out.

SPEAKER_05 46:03

The the uh transforms into the like declamation kind of thing. They jump on it, and then the eyeball pops out. It's who thought that shit up, right? Right. What we need to do is get his head trapped under this trapdoor, jump on it, pop an eyeball out. It's gonna fly across the room, Bobby Cam.

SPEAKER_04 46:19

I would imagine it would look like this. Hear me out. Hear me out.

SPEAKER_05 46:25

What a eyeball. We need an eyeball. Obviously. I don't know if you guys did this, but that was shot in reverse too. Started with it in her mouth and then pulled it out. Yeah. Yeah. So, but it's gross, gross, guys. Gross. Gross. I thought she was gonna transform immediately after that first time. Yeah. See, you know, you know, you can have a dead eyed eyeball level.

SPEAKER_04 46:45

There's yeah, dead eyeballs, safe. Safe.

SPEAKER_06 46:48

Knocked out by a deadite, not safe.

SPEAKER_04 46:50

No, not safe.

SPEAKER_06 46:52

And Ed is one of the deadites now. Jump scare here. They finally get Henrietta locked down there, and he's thinking everything's fine. Ed just pops out of right behind Annie. He's like, rah, and he's one of the fucking. Yeah. Takes a big bite out of hair. That was Bobby Joe's hair.

SPEAKER_04 47:09

Weirdly disturbing. Like I thought he was gonna when I first saw it, and like every time I've seen the movie since, I think I was thinking he's gonna like bite out a chunk of her head or maybe bite her ear off. No, just bites a chunk of her hair and then like chokes it down like a cat in a hairball. I'm like, that is it was worse than seeing him bite her ear off. It's got somehow fetishes.

SPEAKER_06 47:35

Fucked up. It's weird. And this is one of the points where when Ash attacks Ed with the axe, he's he's only got the one hand now, and so he's he's one-handed wielding an axe, chops Ed up, and the green blood goes flying all over the place. It's like, oh wow, it's green.

SPEAKER_05 47:50

That's weird. Body parts go flying too. There is an original. It was shot differently the first time around. They actually cut at an angle through his head, and there was a Ed walking around with like three-quarters of a head. Nice. They toned it down. That wouldn't have got through. I guess.

SPEAKER_04 48:06

Nothing got through.

SPEAKER_05 48:07

It was unrated, right? It was funny because the uh effects people were kind of whining. They're like, we made this little brain and everything. It's like they were sad they didn't get to use this. I need to watch the behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_06 48:18

Definitely. Yeah. Green blood. Yeah, what else do we got? The next scene, this is where Ash and Annie realize like something is trying to get into our world. They inspect the bedroom. Jake is like, You're the curious one. Like, you go in there. No, hey, you're the curious one. Even though Jake and Bobby Joe followed you out follow him in like two seconds later. Two people are all like, Oh, don't go in.

SPEAKER_05 48:43

Don't go in there. They jump in later when they were left alone in the living room. Like a Scooby Gang. Yeah.

unknown 48:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 48:49

So Annie's ghost dad. Yeah, ghost dad appears. Bill Cosby knows Bill Cosby. Annie's father appears.

SPEAKER_02 48:57

I was so confused why there was a ghost. I thought it was just like how can he burst through the realm?

SPEAKER_05 49:01

But it's so I thought it was Pazuzu. It does look as you said. That looked just like Pazuzu.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

Yeah. Who now I know is the exorcist demon thing. You know, now you know, knowing's half the battle, buddy.

SPEAKER_06 49:15

That's right. Or something new every day. Now that is knowable. That one is.

unknown 49:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 49:21

Annie's father's the ghost tells Annie to read the passages from the pages of the book to the dead to dispel the evil and to save his soul. Bobby Joe standing there. And uh, like you're holding my hand a little tight. Jake's like, baby, I ain't holding your hand. That was great. The dead eight hand is holding Bobby Joe, and then she is gone. Bobby Joe is out the fucking day. The lights go out, booking it.

SPEAKER_05 49:46

And she's Bobby Joe goes out. That's it. She's been clipped by a shotgun. She's gotten her hair bitten off. She's got a toothless hillbilly. Swallowed an eyeball. An eyeball. He's got like five teeth. Completely. Some are here, summer there, someone possessed severed hand squeezing it. She's out. She's out. One hand squeeze.

SPEAKER_06 50:05

One hand squeeze. She's gone. Yeah. A tree comes to life. She gets wrapped in vines, drugged through the woods, slammed into a tree by the vines.

SPEAKER_04 50:15

Which is a most muted down version of the scene. The tree rape scene from the first movie. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 50:23

Most mild version of the scene. And the remake. The remake was way worse.

SPEAKER_06 50:29

And I was surprised she didn't come back as a dead eight. She's just dead. They just killed her. They don't like Turner in anything. She never comes back. That's it. She's gone. It's over. She mad. Right? She reimaged. Yeah. Now she goes and makes a thousand episodes of soap opera. She had little baby trees.

SPEAKER_03 50:43

Oh god.

SPEAKER_06 50:45

Nope. So then we get back in the cabin. The pages in the book include the man from the sky. The prophecy. The prophecy, which is from the year 1300 AD, which will come into play later. And in the next film, he had the chains on hand by now. So he's gonna be like, he didn't have it yet.

SPEAKER_05 51:08

Yeah, he did. No, he didn't have the chainsaw. No, he didn't yet. No, he doesn't get it till. Oh, he had the chainsaw, but not attached to the hatch. He hadn't geared up yet. He had to use his mouth to pull the cord. Right.

SPEAKER_06 51:18

Yep. And then Groovy. Yeah. So this ends up being coming the basis of Army of Darkness, which comes out five years later. But then we get the next scene, you know, Jake. Jake basically comes in, he's like, I'm running this show now. I got it. Pulls a shotgun on Ash and Annie. Yeah. Throws the pages to the book in the basement because she thinks the pages are creating the jumbo.

SPEAKER_00 51:39

Jake's dumbest.

SPEAKER_05 51:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 51:41

You already know. Already know. Dumbest character.

SPEAKER_05 51:43

Yeah. And like he like literally like uses the butt of the shotgun to crack. Oh, yeah. Like he gets beaten the shit out of Ash. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 51:51

Like, come on. Ash is getting the shit beat out in the whole goddamn movie. What do you call a pistol whip when it's not a pistol? A shotgun whip? Is that the term for that?

SPEAKER_04 52:01

A butt blast or a button. All I know is like in movies.

SPEAKER_05 52:05

In most movies. Okay, Mike. Take your word for it. That's a good movie. A butt to the forehead. All I know is that's a different movie, too. That's called an instant concussion blackout. Because that's how they always knock him out. Movies just trope. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 52:24

Not ash, though. So Dead Eye Ash comes back, evil Ash. Evil Ash. He comes back, throws Jake like a spear into a tree, picks him up over his head like a fucking Bill Goldberg, and just like how do you survive that?

SPEAKER_04 52:39

Because that tree barely survived it. It splintered like that whole one of it.

SPEAKER_06 52:43

It split the tree, like down the middle almost. It's crazy. Good stuff. Annie is kind of left to defend herself. She's defending herself from evil ash. I don't know. Where did so I missed it where this weapon came from? It's like it's like a dagger. It was there, but it's like a scar stuff with jewels and a spine.

SPEAKER_04 53:04

It's like metal fused where it came from bones, vertebrae with a little head on the side.

SPEAKER_05 53:09

It was probably in her giant ass suitcase that he threw. I don't know. It was her. Oh, maybe. When we first see the recorder. In part one, it's down in the basement with the recorder in the book.

SPEAKER_02 53:22

And this like definitely comes into play during the show. Bringing the show up again. Comes into much more like deeper, like you learn what it really is. Okay. During that's right.

SPEAKER_05 53:34

We're trying to make Mike watch the show.

SPEAKER_06 53:35

I've seen the show. Oh, you did? Okay. I just some people may have not, so I wasn't trying to spoil all that. But as far as watching this, we don't know what I don't think we knew what this was yet. They give him a much better explanation than the first movie.

SPEAKER_05 53:48

Sure. The book's not as cool in the first movie, though. I'm like, oh you need to work on that book. And they did.

SPEAKER_06 53:55

So she stabs, you know, she stabs Jake with this thing. Thinking it was evil as thinking it was evil ash. Stabs him right in the back, and then there's a whole song about that. Drags him down the hall and the gut shut.

SPEAKER_05 54:08

It's like banging on his head, shutting it on his legs.

SPEAKER_06 54:12

Henrietta then pulls Jake down into the cellar, and Annie's kneeling by the door, and more buckets of blood coming out of that cellar. It's a foamy idle wave. It was foamy. Old faithful shot out of there. Let's see what happened to him later. We do see it. Yeah. So both times that there was like these floods of blood, like once they cut to the next scene, like they're not covered in it anymore.

SPEAKER_04 54:35

That's a big nit I have to pick. Whoever the continuity guy was for Ash's makeup, I hope they curb stomped his ass because he's got black blood. He's got mud covered head to toe in blood. And then it's just like a couple lines here and a couple lines there. I'm like, come on, dude, how hard is it to get a Polaroid in 1987? Take a picture of the cut. I'm gonna chalk it up to the budget in time. Bullshit. I mean, we're talking about like 50 bucks worth of stuff. The only thing they kept right the whole time. The one big one down there. That one scar on each right, yeah, his right cheek, somewhere like in there, yeah, was the exact same the whole movie. Yeah. The other ones are across his headline. Like they like they they they do that in movies because nobody wants to be covering that shit all day long, and it's just easier to explain it away by having a towel. And he picks it up and he walk miraculously totally.

SPEAKER_05 55:34

He did that at the beginning when he was in the Delta driving away, he was able to wipe the shit off.

SPEAKER_04 55:40

Continuously throughout the movie, and then his face is almost completely cleaned and clean shaven.

SPEAKER_05 55:46

On the first one with the wall blood coming out where he's shooting at the hand, they did a reverse pull the blood back into the wall thing. So maybe it pulled it off of him. Nah.

SPEAKER_06 55:56

What do you think? Wait, did they? Don't be an apologist. No, so for that one, they had him lay on the floor. Are you talking about the actual practical effect?

SPEAKER_05 56:03

No, I'm talking about they did like a reverse. They did a reverse where the blood went back into the wall. Oh, all right.

SPEAKER_06 56:09

So it was like it came off of him at the same time. Okay. Because the one with Annie, it's like all over her, and then the next scene she stands up and it's like not on her clothes anymore.

SPEAKER_05 56:17

And getting word that Atticus, our local Candarian demon, has to leave. I do. So any final thoughts on the movie before you leave?

SPEAKER_02 56:25

It's a very good movie. It's a shame I can't stay for the whole thing.

SPEAKER_05 56:29

It's not your favorite of this the IP, though, is it?

SPEAKER_02 56:31

It is not. I like Army of Darkness. Yeah, he does. It's like it's pillow talk, baby. It's so good. It is so very good. Well, good. What do you give it? This Evil Dead 2, I'll give it a 3.75.

SPEAKER_05 56:46

Wow. Oh, he's out of he's doing five. He's doing 5.75s. Sounds like a seven and that? I don't know. I didn't get it. You watched it with friends. Seven and a half.

SPEAKER_02 56:56

Yeah, I've done a whole marathon with friends.

SPEAKER_05 56:58

Okay, gotcha. It's a fun watch with a group. Absolutely. Oh yeah. All right. Well, send your sister down. I think she wanted to be a good one. I'm making your father proud. Exactly. Raising them right, guys. Raising them right.

SPEAKER_04 57:09

That's how you do it. Thanks, Atticus. Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_06 57:12

As always, thanks. All right. Should we keep going? Keep going until Apollo comes down. Yeah, well. All right. So next scene we got Dead Eight Ash finds Linda's necklace. And I don't think the necklace has powers, but it brings Ash back to life. Yeah, he's back to life. He's a good guy again.

SPEAKER_04 57:32

I think because they use the same thing all the time. Evil spirits are displayed. Harriet or whatever the mom's name is. Uh-huh. When the daughter starts singing the lullaby, it's her. Right. Yes.

SPEAKER_06 57:44

But it doesn't reverse her. It reverse all the way.

SPEAKER_05 57:46

I agree. I think he's fresh. Connected to a human side, right? Right. And that humanity is back. Pulled him out. Expelled it. They have to will it out for a little while at least.

SPEAKER_06 57:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 57:57

Until Army of Darkness, right?

SPEAKER_06 57:59

Yeah. And then he's like, you know, once it comes out and Annie's trying to kill him, he turns into Wilford Brimley from the thing. Like, I'm all right. I'm out. All right. Like fine. Sounds like something a deadite would say. Does she believe him?

SPEAKER_04 58:13

No. No. Would you believe it at first? She saw her mind. Same. I'm a man.

SPEAKER_05 58:19

You were born September something. It was snowy, which was odd, because it's September. She did the whole thing. The mom did. Yeah. Alright. Our other Canderian demon just walked in. Apollo, welcome.

SPEAKER_01 58:31

Hello.

SPEAKER_05 58:33

Hey, so you didn't like this movie much, right? What? No.

SPEAKER_01 58:37

No, I love this movie.

SPEAKER_05 58:39

So far, where are we at right now in the movie? Right now we are.

SPEAKER_06 58:42

We just got to where Ash founds finds Linda's necklace when he's evil Ash, and it brings him like the he be be g gathers the humanity back and he's good Ash again. But what's her name doesn't believe him and tries to kill him? Right. How do we try to get that plot device, the necklace?

SPEAKER_01 58:59

Makes no sense.

SPEAKER_04 59:00

It was from the first movie. Right. But but you know, backtracking all the way to the beginning. Bring your girlfriend to the scariest place on earth and not giving her an engagement ring. Just some kind of weird like glass piece of shit from S like something your grandma would have so she could read from.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

I'm pretty sure it's the thought that counts. Um I'm pretty sure how like I think they talk about in the show, but I think he got it from like a crappy like claw machine, didn't he? Probably makes sense. Totally.

SPEAKER_04 59:35

That's an Ash. That's the thought that counts.

SPEAKER_05 59:36

What's funny is like Ash in like part one and part two, Ash is completely different than he is in Army of Darkness and the show. Like they sleaze him up quite a bit. They do sleaze him up. Right.

SPEAKER_04 59:50

But it's a like a continuation, a progression. Right. You know, they don't just like he's great, and then boom, he's sleazy. Like the first one, he's great. Second one, Army of Darkness. That's just pillow talk, baby.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:06

It's just funny. I like him.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:08

What was your favorite scene? I referenced it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:11

What is my favorite scene?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:12

In the Pee-Wee's Playhouse. Only you name where it's the house is Oh, the house, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:18

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:18

The dancing. I got my mindset on you.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:20

Todd was Harrison singing singing.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:23

They had to have every part of that house be able to move in order to do that. And I find that just very fun. And I liked how he started like giggling. It was very fun. I like it.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:33

It is fun. Mental illness. Right. I love mental illness. Me slap her.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:39

Another one of my favorite scenes is more because of a close friend I have. But oh yeah. It's the scene. Did we already talk about it?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:48

Just before this. Where Jake gets pulled into the basement, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:53

Yeah. Oh yeah. She keeps tugging at it even though there's like gallons of blood being sprayed out. Like that's not gonna do anything.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:00

There's no chance he's alive.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:01

But there was a post that I saw on Tumblr.com, and it was why does she even try like girl he is soup? And me and my friend will just say that post randomly, but it's over time it's been shortened down to just girl he is soup. So that's good. I would say that several times throughout the movie when we're rewatching it.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:23

And she laid him right next to exactly. Like I was like, I thought she laid him on the door. No, she laid him with like you couldn't put a hair between his head and that door opening that was that close.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:40

So we're at the necklace.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:42

Yeah, so after the necklace Annie finally believes him, and they're like, Look, we need those pages. But they gotta go down in the cellar. So let's go into that cellar and carve ourselves a witch. And how are we gonna do that? Oh, yeah. Probably the most iconic scene from this film. They go out to the workshed. And he builds they build the contraption that becomes the chainsaw hand. Yes. And they take the shotgun and cuts the barrel off to make it short barreled. Groovy. And groovy. The groovy.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:15

I'm good. Oh Groovy.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:18

I used that throughout high school. I brought Groovy back for a short time. 1987, Southern Louisiana.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:27

When they they in my research, Duke Newcomb. Is that what you said? In the Duke Newcomb game, if he picked up the chainsaw, he'd go Groovy. Yeah, they think that's a reference.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:38

It's gotta be.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:39

Hey Dad, do you want to talk about the Easter egg you saw in the basics?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:42

They caught it too. They caught the West Craven of Freddy.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:46

So it wasn't just you being a genius.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:48

No, never.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:49

Okay, so I I'm not a plumber. Okay. Whoever laid the pipes in that house needs to be curb stomped. Can we fired? That was like a lot of curb stomping going on there. That was the wildest pipes dripping everywhere for a cabin. There's a bathroom. There's a toilet, there's a tub, and there's a sink. But there's like 57 different pipes going here and there's a boiler.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:19

It was like nine mile street. Speaking of the gloves. Basement. Yeah, I was. Yeah. They go in the basement, and like you said, the water, the pipes, the dripping, it's all just setting up the atmosphere. Ashes creeping around. We're definitely like in a horror movie right now where you don't know when Henrietta's gonna jump out or what's gonna come out. He he gets the pages that are soaking wet, but somehow they're dry. Again, the continuity guy just wipes it on the shirt. Wipes it on his shirt. I also like when before he climbs out and he tosses the pages. You ever try to throw some papers? He's like made them a football and then you turn straight up.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:59

Like they're like they're connected in the book. Well they're made out of human flesh, right? So they have different throwing properties. Covers.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:07

Maybe the blood weights.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:09

Maybe maybe the blood mud.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:11

It's like some 13th century parchment. So who knows what that's made out of? They stapled it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:18

But yeah, there's a jump scare down there, like a skeleton. It's probably Jake getting the short Jake. The skeleton like falls out.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:27

Jake in the overalls, like it's just a skeleton.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:29

It's just a skeleton of him, falls out on Ash. Oh my god. And then Annie, Annie cat or I mean Henrietta catches Ash going up the steps and he's from behind the steps. Face plants down. You gotta check behind those steps.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:40

Everybody knows. Always.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:42

That was the only part that Bruce Campbell did not do. The only son he didn't do was falling face first off the steps. So I got dangerous. Yeah. That'll kill you.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:51

Yeah. Did we talk about how we went to see the musical? We did.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:56

Do you do you want to say a couple words on the musical?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:58

I just have to say something. This was before, but when she stabbed Jake, he like had this like like basically just shasically just like a tank attached to the back of him and just like a hose to like hose the entire splash zone fucking. And I I think mom, right? Wasn't mom like absolutely drenched.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:22

You and her were up there.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:24

I got a piece of like flesh thrown directly into my ear, not on my clothes, into my ear.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:30

It was like to these little like foam little little foam balls that were covered in like fake blood or whatever. They would check those out. Like it was like yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:37

And I couldn't wash it out for a good solid second. I had to just like brush it out and then wipe off the crone to die.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:44

If you guys get a chance to watch, you guys are selling this. Yeah, it's great. I think I'm almost in.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:50

If the fox would bring it here instead of some instead of some other shit, that's not even a peabody. Oh, come on. That's one of those. The Fox, get your game to get off Dell Mall. Oh, it's off, yeah. October, do Saul the musical and Guar in concert. And Evil Dead of the Musical. I don't know if we're gonna catch it. Come on, let's go. There was a come on the Fox.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:12

My friend actually went to a Guar concert recently. So yeah, I saw a picture of Matthew, so it was horrible. But horribly awesome. It looks fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:22

Horribly awesome. So have you ever wondered what what somebody would come up with for a mixture of semen and blood? That's what you don't have to wonder anymore after a guar concert, apparently. Oh, well. I thought they just used the real stuff. It is real.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:35

Time out.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:37

I'm hearing a rumor from my friend who's connected to a theater program that there might be a production of Evil Dead being done this October. Okay. Or next October. So I'll try to keep you guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:48

Let us know, please. Yeah, for the pod.

unknown 1:06:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:51

It's all for the pod.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:53

So we are Jake has been eviscerated. We found evidence of that. He's now fighting for his face. Ash is fighting for his life in the basement. Ted Raimi.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:02

Yeah. Teddy Raimi is Henrietta.

unknown 1:07:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:07

Annie distracts Henrietta so that Ash can chop her up with the chainsaw. It takes a little while, but he finally gets a couple licks in. The head on Henrietta comes up like a like a Bronosaurus and extends out, and I don't know, she's saying some shit. He can't really reach her, and then he he finally gets a couple shots in.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:27

Oh, yeah. Yeah, swallow your soul. Dead by dawn, dead by dawn.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:31

Have you guys seen the old like Sinbad movies? Not Sinbad the actor, the comedian, but like the old ones with all the claymation, like dinosaurs or or things. Yeah. That is what the scene reminded me of Probez. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:43

Yeah. They did a really good job splicing it together. When Ash is fighting the claymation, like it was good. And that giant head creature was good as could be.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:53

It was cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:54

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:56

What's up?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:56

I thought it was kind of funny how Annie just started singing.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:00

Yeah. To distract her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:03

He did not contribute anything to that entire fight.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:06

The trauma. Can we tell? Let's talk about how bad of a screamer Annie is.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:10

Yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:11

Bad screamer.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:12

It's horrible. It's the same scream.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:15

They should have put the Howie Screamer over it.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:18

Want me to play that again?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:19

Or the Samara?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:21

Yeah, Samara. It wasn't around yet, but it wasn't there yet.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:24

She's gonna replace it. The Howie Scream. Can you put the Howie Scream over a girl's scream? Because it's definitely a male.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:35

Wait, this isn't the one where it's the uh no, that's a different scream.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:38

That's the Wilhelm you're thinking. The Wilhelm, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:41

That one would have been better.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:42

Where are we now? I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:44

Well, so so when he finally defeats Henrietta and she's like cut into pieces, it sounds like a balloon deflating. I don't know if you caught that. It didn't like like falls down and gets smaller. It's just like that was as she deflates down. Yeah, that was that was good. Then the uh the trees, they start destroying the cabin. Oh uh Lord of the Rings died. I think the cabin's gonna get like sucked into the ground. It's like the trees start destroying it. You gotta read this stuff, a little exposition.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:11

All I did was make it what material, all I did was make him materialize or it materialized, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:17

Yeah, yeah, you got that part.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:18

And he finishes the passages. The evil like stabs her in the back before she can do it. The tree has Ash in a bird.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:27

Ash has got a new gray streak to his hair.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:30

Oh, because he looked at it. That was cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:31

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:32

I think it was pretty well designed. I liked it. It was very uh good. Big trouble, little china. What'd you say? A little poltergeist. Yeah, like it's just like this giant thing with a giant eyeball.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:43

Jaw scale. I mean, he's he's doing that that flint or fin thing where he's he's getting pulled into it, but he's like kicking it and trying to stay out of the mouth. Yeah. Flint is flint, yep, jaws. Quint. Quint. Quint nuanced.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:58

Flint rider? Quint. Yeah. Flint rider. Yeah, and then the Annie musters up the strength to finish all the passages, and then the portal opens, sucking all the evil.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:08

And the oh, but you she doesn't finish the final word, and the heads on the body of the thing are like, we've won, we've won. And then she like a la wrestling comes back and says the final word, and then yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:26

And this was a different phrase than they have to use in Army of Darkness, right? That wasn't the same thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:31

Well, Army of Darkness is from the day the words, the day the world stood still, the that three word. That three word thing that they he had to read. Yeah, that's from you know the movie I'm talking about with uh alien. The alien they came in, they shot him, the flying saucer. Yeah. I don't know. It's an old one. Nick two something, Nick Tie. Farat two. Yeah, so that was from that movie, the phrase that he says, a direct quote from that movie. Anyway, well he tries to, but he missed Nepti.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:01

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:02

Anyway, yeah, so all this stuff gets sucked into the portal, including Ash. And the Delta. And the Oldsmobile Delta.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:09

I had a delta, I had a two-door delta green, refrigerator lime green. How big were those doors, man?

SPEAKER_06 1:11:15

Big.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:15

Those doors were like seven feet long. A two-door delta? Yeah. My trunk was like six feet long. The hood was six feet long.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:22

They don't make them like they used to, man. Thank God. Is that what they had in It Follows too? Was that a Delta? Or no? That was something else. No. It wasn't. It's might have been an old one.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:31

It looks similar, but it wasn't as a delta. I don't think it was a Delta.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:33

I keep forgetting. It was an old mobile, though.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:35

We're old. No, we're oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:37

No, actually, you guys are like in your early 20s, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:39

Yeah, then how old how old are you?

SPEAKER_06 1:11:42

Yeah. Young at heart. Ashlands in the desert, surrounded by knights, and clearly he's gone back in time. Kill the Dead Eight. He uses the boomstick to kill the flying Dead Eight, and all the knights bend thy knee and hail him. This differs from Army of Darkness because he's in that movie he's taken prisoner. They don't trust him for anything. Right. That's for another podcast. But here they're hailing him, and then Ash realizes where he is, and he's like, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:12

Thank God he didn't overreact.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:13

And uh yeah. And then uh that's it. Roll credits. Roll credits.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:18

I'm still mad about how they just completely changed the beginning to Army of Darkness. Uh I mean it made more sense.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:28

Just to polish, clean it up a little bit, yeah, for a new movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:30

It doesn't help the consistency of everything that's already like kind of warped.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:37

That's all right though. Yeah, it happens. Who knows why? We'll take it.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:43

Yeah. Was there anything I missed? Any scenes of note?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:46

Anything you want to talk about that uh like it's something I skipped or quote that you like? All the hand stuff was pretty hilarious, like the hand running around, not necessarily the uh possessed hand. Yeah, the rat trap. Give them the middle finger. That was fun, pops up, you know, stabs her.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:03

The middle finger, classic.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:04

Yeah, the nightmare before Christmas esque uh dancing scene.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:08

We saw where where Annie's Linda's dancing around and she goes, she just jumps up.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:16

Great voice acting there. Loved it.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:18

That's good. Did this ending stick the landing for you? Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:21

Yeah, yeah. I think so. That's not the next movie, but we feel like they we didn't know that yet. They're like, how do we do this where even if we don't do another movie, it's funny? Or do you think they already were like, we're doing another movie no matter what?

SPEAKER_06 1:13:36

So I think they knew they were gonna try to. I'll get to it in a minute. But knowing what we know at this point, if you saw this in 1987, I'd hate to see this comedy horror that we're not taken too seriously, seriously. Like, what do they call it? What'd you say? They call it splash splat stick, splat sticks, it says you'd hate to see your hero banished to medieval times, you know. He'd be like, Man, you choose one and live happily ever after and get the girl. Yeah, yeah. For me, I don't know. I feel like the way the way it ended is not what you want for your hero in a comedy hall. Yeah, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:10

Nowadays they would have like audiences and stuff that'd be like, yeah, I don't like that one. When I first saw it, I I was like, Well, I mean, they're setting it up for a sequel, and I was I mean, this was back in the day where we still had network TV and cable and everything took forever to come out on DVD or VHS even. VH, yeah. And I was just like, when are they gonna make the sequel? And that five years felt like a hundred years.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:38

That's how I felt with the back to the futures. But I saw it as there's a sequel coming. Yeah. At the end of the Back to the Futures when it's a to be continued or whatever, right? Like, when's that happening?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:49

Yeah. And that wasn't in there until the VHS's. I think they didn't play that in the theater, but on VHS they did put the to be continued because they're back in the one they might have done it in the second one, they filmed the second and third one at the same time, so they knew the third was coming, but I don't think they put the to be continued after the first until the VHS run because they didn't have that in theater they didn't know yet. Or where we're going where we don't need roads. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:16

I would just like to say first time watching Evil Dead 2 was with my dad, and I didn't really know Army of Darkness was a thing. I just kind of thought, okay. So that's what you're and I saw the ending, I was like, oh, there's another part of this.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:29

It wasn't like seen Army of Darkness? Yes, I've Have I seen Army of Darkness? I love Army of Darkness. Whoa, whoa, oh it's like you've just like slapped me in the face.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:38

Like now I don't think she's done any of this. Well, actually, I was feeling like I would be like excited for you that you you watched Evil Dead 2, and now you get to watch Army of Darkness because you've just watched it because this was gonna be on the pod. But now, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:54

We might have to fight in the parking lot. Did you guys have a favorite practical effect from this? Whether it was like the stop motion, Linda dancing, the any of the blood geysers, like did you have a favorite? It's a hard question.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:08

The soup.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:09

This the soup with the blood geysers, Jake, Jake soup.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:12

Jake soup.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:13

I like the eyeball. The eyeball flying through was great. Eyeball's good. The hand, Linda dancing, like the head and the vice, the whole Linda stuff. The head and the vice, especially.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:22

All the head talkings were great.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:24

I mean, there's so many.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:26

Somebody had to somebody had to come up with the uh eyeball scene, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:29

Yeah, somebody had to go. Yeah, we should.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:31

We talked about that one. First, we're gonna do this. Yeah. Charlie has a reference or a theory that involved cocaine. Illicit drugs. Same rate. Like when you watch when you watch them all, like they look like they'd get high off of like Mountain Dew, though. Like they don't look like the time. Right, right.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:51

These could be like two pots of coffee each, an hour, guys. So I mentioned that this film came out the same week or two weeks as a Nightmare on Elm Street 3. This is right 87 is right in the heart of slasher era, golden age. Yeah. Films like Friday the 13th and movies in those franchise, and in the Nightmare on Elm Street franchise, there's world building, right? There's Crystal Lake, there's a campground, in Nightmare on Elm Street, there's the neighborhood, there's school, there's the psychiatric place, there's jail, there's there's there's world building, right? We're meeting new people, we're going places. Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2, they are in one place. They are in this cabin, they're in the basement of the cabin, not counting when they realize that the bridge is out. Like, does it help or hurt that this is just like here and that there is no world building? So there is no like let's call the police, but we can't or whatever. Like it's superfluous, it's unnecessary.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:52

No one come to look at it until evil dead rise, until they figured out a way to get out of camp, right? Or out of this house in the woods, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:02

So I think it was tough. I never even thought about it. I never crossed my mind, I don't need it.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:08

It's fine the way like a two-minute scene in the beginning where they roll into town and they like can't find this cabin and they stop at a gas station or like we're looking for this place, like don't go to that cabin. Right, how many movies have cabin in the woods? It would be too cliche. I mean, we haven't met Chainsaw Cabin of the Woods once. So many of these movies they stop somewhere for directions, and like someone's like, Don't go there. Right. Oh, you're going to fan blood. But it but it builds a world that it introduces other creepy people that like maybe that creepy person will show up later. But here it's just like we're here, this is what you get. What was the guy's name in the first two Friday 13th? Crazy Ralph. Crazy Ralph. Dude. We all dude. All right. Along that line, does it help or hurt that there are multiple deadites and not like a solo villain? Or even like, let's say, like a mothership control, not a not a mothership, but like one main dead eye controlling these little ones, like say Pinhead and Hellraiser is controlling these other ones. There is at the end, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:12

But it doesn't, it it doesn't hurt because I don't need it to be, I don't, it's just one of those rare movies where it's like I don't need background, I don't need an introduction explaining a bunch of stuff to me. There's almost one name, which I assume the big head with the mouth at the end, that was the boss, yeah. He was materialite or whatever. But I it you when you think of and I never thought about this stuff, yeah. All the other movies have it, and this one didn't. Yeah, it turns out you don't need it.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:41

You really don't for this type of movie, I feel like like it's just a funny, scary, like camp movie. I don't think you need it.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:49

Yeah, I think it was basically showing that Ash is gonna adapt to whatever, right? Ash is throw whatever you want at Ash, he's gonna kill it, right? Right. I'll have a good deal.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:00

Who is your favorite below the line actor in this film? So basically not Bruce Campbell. Bobby Joe. I like Ted Raimi. Ted Rainey's Henrietta. Henrietta was a riot.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:11

Bobby Joe's got some good lines, she's chewing, she's kind of cute, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:15

She's way out of Jake's league. She can take a shot.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:17

You want to say what you said when you're gonna be able to do it? I already did. I already did.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:20

I think there's some like cousin kissing going on. Oh, I'm sure. Jake's a close second. But like she's like I like the duo. What about Ed? Forgettable Ed. Forgettable Ed. It's a whole song about Ed.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:35

My favorite's Annie.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:37

Annie?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:37

Annie?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:38

Everyone's got a favorite. Yeah. I just thought Teddy Raimi was great.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:42

Annie seems like she's got about twice as many teeth in her mouth as she's supposed to. But like it's just a big teeth. So she's standing next to Jake. It's fine. That's why.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:51

Everyone seems like they have too many teeth when they're standing next to Jake. Annie's the one, the daughter of uh in yellow. I assume anthropologist.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:01

I'm a little confused because you're gonna be able to see it.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:04

Oh, no. I said, yeah. Next to Jake, everybody looks like they've got twice as big. Oh, yeah. Jake's got the summer teeth. Summer here, summer there.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:13

Which kill was the best? I like the green blood splatter with Ed. I like that one.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:23

Linda. I like lopping off Linda's head and then having to fight the naked Linda coming in. I like Jake. Jake. That's great. Just getting fed to Henry Adams. He's the Mulcher. Yeah. He's the Fargo. Yeah. Pilo Favorite Death.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:42

Um that's a difficult one. I like it felt like Bobby Joe's was a callback to the first one with the pervert trees. Yeah. It was.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:53

Definitely. It was the tamest pervert trees of the series.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:57

You can't have a pervert tree like not be in an Evil Dead movie.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:01

I wanted to see that impact though. You want to see your statement? Yeah, they cut right right before she hits the tree. They cut.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:07

They didn't cut Jake's in the tree.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:09

They didn't cut Jake in the tree.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:10

Alright, it looks like Apollo's looking to bounce out here. So any final thoughts? Um what's your final score for it out of five? You can use decimals.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:21

4.7.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:22

4.7. Thank you, Apollo. Thanks for your help.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:29

All right. I know, right? It's like they don't like Evil Dead or something. It's like they got other stuff to places to be than hanging out with their dad and uncle. And this guy. And then the stray guy. Could you escape this? Where did our victims go wrong? No, it's too tough. Look, I don't want I I feel like sometimes you use the cop out like, well, I would just never go to that cabin. So you have to use the cop out.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:55

Yeah, you gotta go to the cabin out.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:56

No, you can't. You're you're there, you find this cabin on Airbnb, you're taking your lovely wife on a weekend getaway, you play that tape that releases the deadite. Now, what are you gonna do? If you're not El Hefe, you're a sidekick. The sidekick dies. Realize quick if you're a sidekick. Yep. Are you cutting your own hand off and attaching a chainsaw too?

SPEAKER_05 1:23:15

If it's possessed, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:17

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:17

Well, I'm at least cutting it off. I don't know if I got the the know-how to build a whole suit like a game. Duct tape, anybody could figure it out.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:26

He was like welding stuff. I don't know what the what the fuck he was doing with the welding and the soldering.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:32

Like, yeah, I I mean I'm trying to run away, but the trees are pitching.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:38

I think you do your best at barricading, you do your best not, you know, isolating yourself from everyone else, but other than that, you're no, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:46

We'll be left the people that left a message behind in the cabin when the new people show up in the cabin are like, what are you doing? You're doomed here because you're doomed, you're doomed, you're doomed.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:56

Here's my question. So the original spirit is busting down doors, shattering them. But then later, you just shut the door and it's fine. You can't get in.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:08

It's the whole comment. It's you're they're only as strong as they are needed to progress the story without fucking the story up. It's like Superman. Superman could do anything he wanted to do, unless you need him to not do it. So the story becomes more interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:26

Gotcha. Who's the dumbest character? I think it's pretty easy to do. Pretty easy. Jake. Jake from State Farm.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:34

Jake from Evil Dead 2. Here's another candidate. Smart, yes. But why are you gonna be like, and here's the phonetic pronunciation of the the curse to invoke these spirits?

SPEAKER_04 1:24:46

Because I'm gonna read that out. Because it's it's not a real thing. You think it's these people are who are who are like anthropology a family of anthropologists somehow. It was 600,000 years ago. Plenty of old manuscripts who claim to be powerful spells and nothing happens.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:05

And then that book was not hard to find in that castle. That book was just sitting on a table. He walked into it. But I feel like they had gone into an area bricked off.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:15

Yeah. Which Ash probably did after the Army of Darkness ended.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:22

Probably. Body count. Uh five? Linda, Jay, Annie, Bobby Joe.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:36

So the five. The count that I found. Do you want to guess? Four?

SPEAKER_05 1:25:42

Five.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:43

The count that I found is eight. But again, there's some inconsistencies. Like you count some deadites but not others. So they they count Linda. So they count Linda and then Deadite Linda. Both happen on screen. Come on, man. We're out of created this. Like if you kill her. Yeah, we did in the other one. And From Beyond, we weren't well, no. See, on From Beyond, it happens off-screen. So like they say, like, there's like Dr. Pretorius, and then like Monster Pretorius, and then like Super Mega Dr. Pretorius. I'm like, no, there's not three iterations. Heretic, there was like three for for Baxter or in when we did Heretic, yeah. They said that like, oh, when she dies briefly at the Taco Bell, which is in the story, not even in the movie. Got a throat slit. And it's like, yeah, those are not deaths. She comes back to life, she didn't die. Me neither. I don't count the monster. Unless we knew him as a person. So here's what Kill Count put down. Linda. Oh, Henrietta. Did we forget Henrietta? Okay. Well, here's here's what Kill Count put as the eight. Linda and then Dead Eyed Linda. Because Linda's possessed by the demon, and then the Dead Eight she's decapitated and cut in half with a chainsaw. Ed is possessed by the demon and then chopped into pieces with the green blood. Is four. One death. Bobby Joe, slammed into a tree, that's it. She's not a deadite or anything. Jake. Quote turned into a blood geyser by Dead Eight Henrietta. Yep. Don't see him again, except for the skeleton. So he's not a deadite. Then Den right Dead Eight Henrietta.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:11

Because she's not alive in this. She is a Dead Eight the whole time. And she gets chopped by the chainsaw and shot in the head. And then Annie stabbed in the back with a dagger. But they don't count Henrietta before she's possessed. Because she dies before the movie. Because it's off screen. And they don't count the medieval deadite at the end that's shot with the shotgun. So why are you counting deadites that are killed but not the one at the end? I don't count the bad guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:40

I don't count the bad guys.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:41

So you don't count the deadites as not even Henrietta. So it would just be so once Linda is possessed in a deadite, that's it. Once Linda is killed by the Dead Eye or the the demon.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:53

Yeah, once Linda dies, that's possessed. So when she's possessed or when she's chopped in half? When she's lopped off. Killed and possessed by the Deadites, not when she's her head's cut off, none of that. Because then she's a bad guy. She's a deadite. Well then in that case, Ash could be bad.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:08

Yeah. So like when her head was lapped off would be the first time. Ash doesn't die. But he became a deadite. But he becomes a deadite.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:14

But he doesn't die. But she became a deadlight. So then when does Linda die? Linda dies when she gets snagged out of the window and we don't see her. And becomes a deadite. She's killed. She's not necessarily killed. Oh, is she? Yeah, we don't know. Okay, then that would count. But you don't get to count it twice.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:30

Yeah, one count. It's one count. It's each person once. Okay. One Linda. One Linda. I'm with you.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:35

So whether it's becoming possessed or chopping her.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:41

But we don't get to see her uniform. Yeah. So all right. But Linda, we did see alive and human. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:51

Did you notice how she wore like four different wigs? Who? Linda's hair keeps changing at the beginning. I don't know. Four? Maybe because all the process they had to do a bunch of plaster casts over. So I'm having I think that had something to do with it, probably.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:05

Alright. So eight.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:07

Eight is not six, five is five without Henrietta. They're just going to go out on their own and do numbers because I'm going to count everyone who's ever lived up to this point. Oh man.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:20

Alright, we need a gore score while we're going to keep debating.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:23

This was a lot of it's bucket of blood stuff. A lot of it is. Some good stabs. Stab through a hand, stab through the belly. Some gun violence. Lots of gun violence. A headbutt to a tree, a headbutt to a light bulb. That dude was coming out with like some serious spines going through traces.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:42

I mean, it's it's a seven.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:44

At least a nine for me.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:46

Okay. Just the volume. For some reason, I feel like if you put it in the same book as like Dead Alive or whatever, this one's gonna Dead Alive. I know, I know. I don't think this is gorier than part one. I I'm thinking it's a little less than a nine. I can be talked to an eight. Where are you at on this, Mike?

SPEAKER_06 1:30:04

I put eight because we have like the comedy blood with the geysers, which we talked about before. Buckets of blood, we don't really wait too high.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:14

Comedy eyeballs.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:15

Green blood, you know, kind of comedy. And again, like the first Evil Dead being gorier than this one, so I'd have to give that one a higher gore score when we get to it. Okay. So I can come down to an eighth. And I think I I mean another thing that I think like Sarah discussed when she did Planet Terror with us was when you have like goofy gore, it's not doesn't hit home as like murder, murder gore, right? Right. So that's why I give it one like eight and didn't go nine. Just it's comedy gore, even though there's a lot of it. A lot of it. That's yeah. Eight works. I'll do eight. Eight. Okay. Okay. No. Eight it is. Some fun facts, or just facts, if you don't think they're very fun. Stephen King loved the Evil Dead so much that he asked executive producer Dino DeLorenitis, who was producing Delorentis. Sorry. Dino Delarentis, who was producing Maximum Overdrive of Stephen King's in 1986 to finance Evil Dead 2. Nice. That guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:17

DeLorentis also brought us the DeLorean? Did I say John DeLorean?

SPEAKER_05 1:31:23

That was John DeLorean. Maybe DeLorentis was like the original name before they shot it. Okay, go ahead.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:31

No, the the wrestler John Lorenis, I keep that's why I pronounced it DeLorenitis. The wrestler wrestler. The Greek king of Sparta. But Dino DeLorentis. Got it. All right. The cabin is supposed to be the same cabin as the first one, but that film was in Tennessee, and this one was in North Carolina. And they we talked about it. It was shot mostly in a studio built in a junior high school. In the opening, the studio card of Rosebud Pictures is not a real production company. Dino De Laurentis was forbidden to release an unrated movie through his own company. So, quote, Rosebud was created for the purpose of releasing this movie. Nice. Interesting. Loophole. Yeah. Fuck you guys. Movie magic to get the chainsaw to look real and smoke, have exhaust come out of it. Raimi rigged a small tube to the chainsaw and sat just off camera and blew cigarette smoke through it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:29

Yeah, that was easy to see. Because there was a couple times where it's like, I mean, that chainsaws vibrate like a motherfucker. And you hear it running. It doesn't look like it's running.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:40

Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, to make it have like exhaust, he's just sitting there just ripping heaters right off camera, blowing them in a tube. Sucking targets down like it ain't nobody's business. Darts. It's movie magic, man. Whatever you gotta do. The blood coming from the wall, Campbell laid down on the floor and they turned the camera 90 degrees and they poured the blood onto him, basically waterboarding him. Which he said he felt like he was drowning. Much like and he was even blowing, like every time he'd blow his nose for the next two weeks, like red snot would come out. Much like them dumping the upside-down bed in Nightmare. Yeah, yeah, it was a rotating room. Yeah, that shit was wild. The car, yellow 1973 Oldsmobile Delta 88. It's the same car from Evil The Evil Dead, the original. And it's owned by Sam Raimi. It was the Raimi family car ever since he was 14. His father bought it when he was 14 years old. I think I saw it. And it appears in a lot of movies. A lot of his movies.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:37

So it's the Raimi family car. It's a good Easter egg. It should never stop. Never stop, never stop.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:42

The original script had Ash getting sucked through the portal much earlier and spending most of our time in the 1300s. So that's why they already think had new Army of Darkness was going to come because they wanted Army of Darkness to basically be Evil Dead 2. That makes sense. But studio after studio passed, they revamped it to be this thing and have it end so that Army of Darkness could be the next thing. But this movie was basically supposed to be mostly what Army of Darkness is. But people passed and passed and passed. Necronomicon more properly translates to translates to Book of Dead names, not Book of the Dead. Okay, nerd. Whoever came up with it. Whatever, nerd. Go back to Latin class, nerd. Yeah, and that's it. I talked about all the Easter eggs with the West Craven stuff. Some of those were fun facts. A couple couple pieces. You guys got any more fun facts? Did you guys look anything up? No. No? Okay. Okay. Let me stop you there.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:44

Just like I stopped Justin about homework. You know why I didn't look it up.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:49

So the scenes with the hands, I found this was interesting. When it's crawling along the ground, they actually practical effect. They made basically two different levels of flooring. So like he could actually put his hand up on top of it and have like a prosthetic coming out of the back of it. And then the way they shot it, they you couldn't even tell that the other floor was so. It's a lot of fun stuff. A lot of under under the stage stuff coming. Practical special effects. You can't reproduce that now. The Henrietta suit, apparently, to make it jiggle and stuff. There were just bags of lentil soup in there, like to make it. Yeah, that makes it so much grosser.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:31

But like there was a nugget on IMDb that that suit made Ted Ramey sweat so much that he they took and like had to wring the sweat out of it every day. While the crew like saved it, and I guess on the last day, like somebody had a cup of his sweat. I guess they they didn't say what the prank was, but they said they pranked him with a cup full of sweat on the last day of shooting.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:55

They splashed it in his face. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:56

You sure they weren't like, you look thirsty, bud? Not a violence.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:59

Lemonade. I'd punch somebody for that. I think we'd kill somebody. Would you curb stomp them?

SPEAKER_06 1:36:04

What's your own sweat, though?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:06

I don't know. Well, I heard that's what happened to the uh continuity guy.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:11

It's a third curb stomp reference from Charlie in this episode. Horror Hall of Fame, Sam Raimi. Already in. Already in. Sam Raimi's already in. Ash Williams already in. Yep. Dead Eyes, immortal. Oh, it's tough. It's just they're too vague, right? It's like the thing rule. There's too many. There's too many things. I mean, it's like zombies. It's too immortal.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:35

There's too many. Here's what I'll say about the Deade is like people are precious about Deadites, right? Like they like the new ones, like Evil Dead Rise. They're like, I was talking at a horror convention. They're like, they didn't even have white eyes. I'm like, just settle down, guys. Like they are precious about the original design for Dead Eyes.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:53

At conventions, you're gonna get people that make casual fans look really stupid. You know?

SPEAKER_05 1:36:58

They're like, I don't care if they had white eyes, they look cool. And I'm gonna get a picture with her. I like blue eyes.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:05

Suck it. Nerd. Movie props. We have the Necronomicon is in our Hall of Fame for more movie props.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:14

Oh, yeah, we got three.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:15

But chainsaw hand? Boomstick?

SPEAKER_04 1:37:17

Chainsaw. Boomstick, no, because that's just too many shotguns in movies. The bone dagger? Yeah. Bone dagger. Yeah. Okay. What about the eyeball? Can't swing a dead ash without hanging an eyeball.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:34

What about an ash hand walking around? Adam's family. Adam's family. Yeah. That's more famous one. Do you think who'd win in a fight? Thing? The thing from Adam's family? Or evil dead hand? I think the evil dead hand. Nah. He's smarter. Yeah. Nah, man. Dude, Thing can drive a car, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:54

This Deadeye hand ain't doing nothing. I mean, the Deadeye's got the rage on his side. He don't give a. And the raw don't give a fucks. I think the thing, it would be one of those classic battles of the thing starts winning at first, and then the Deadeye is like, oh, beating him down. You think he's almost finished? And then another Deadeye hand comes out of the crowd and like bashes a chair over his head.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:16

No, that can be like that's a pay-per-view.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:18

I'd pay for that. I'd watch that.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:20

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:21

It might be good if it was pay-per-view. If that shit was on Netflix, it would suck. Balls. Oh, oh, did you watch the Rounder Rassy one or something? I watched it the next morning, just that fight. Because I don't I don't know shit. I don't I've watched an MMA fight once in my life, and it was because I was at actually a friend of ours that was in town wanted to go see the fights, and I'm like, hey, I'll be social. So we went to a bar to watch the fights. It was like five fights. I've never seen watch UFC in my life. And I was like, okay, like it's fun. Like if you're actually with a crowd, like enjoying it, but I just don't get into it like otherwise. And so this one with Ronda Rousey, they built it up so much. I'm like the morning after I'm like, all right, let me see how this fight went on Netflix. And good news is you didn't have it I'm like, oh, it was 17 seconds, nothing fucking happened. What are we doing with Ronda Rousey?

SPEAKER_05 1:39:08

It's a resting corner.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:10

Watch the Kevin Hart roast.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:11

It's good.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:12

Anyway.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:12

I'm over roast.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:13

This shit's so stupid.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:14

Here's some it was good. I liked it.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:18

I don't know. Anyway. I'm overroast. I'm overroast. I'm looking at the case.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:23

The knife, the chainsaw, the book's already in. Okay. Knife chainsaw. I mean, those are going to be one, two on my list when we this next year. Putting that delta in there? Delta? I love the Delta. But it's big. It's too big. It's like putting a whole room. But here's okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:39

So at the why don't we just put the cube in there?

SPEAKER_06 1:39:41

The whole goddamn thing. Christine is going to be in there when we do that movie. So we're going to have more than one car in the hallway.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:48

Is that going to be a t- that'll be a temple?

SPEAKER_06 1:39:50

No, but I'm going to it's going to be a pick one day, a mic pick. Yeah. Unless it's a Justin's pick or a Charlie pick before I pick it.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:55

Well, guess you get the next pick, and I'm going to No. I'm going to be a dick and pick Christine.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:00

Hey, I'm not. You can. So I won't be mad. At the uh at the cons, like the cheapers creepers truck is always there. The maximum overdrive front bar was theirs. Like they do stuff, so it's possible to have these props. Can't have too many though.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:17

Maybe. Christine car, yes. Cheapers creepers car, yes. It's very, and the even the semi, they're very recognizable. But not the Delta. Delta 88. Like if it was parked in a Walmart parking lot, would you notice? I'd say that's Evil Dead car.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:34

Short list. Alright. Alright. Final thoughts on Evil Dead 2 before we wrap this puppy up.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:42

Meh.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:43

No. It's great.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:44

You just get the fuck out of here. Wait, this is your hot dog. It's a fantastic movie. It is a. I don't think it's was on my rush core, but like it's it's right below it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:56

It's a lot of fun. It's so much fun. This is my I think a lot. And I think it wrongly gets labeled as like, oh, it's just a comedy. Like, there's jump scares in this guy's This is not a comedy.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:07

It is Merrick can't watch it. Merrick could watch it. I'd say you have to. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:11

It's not a comedy in the vein of scary movie, scary movie, serial mom. We we just covered. It's not in that kind of vein, but it's definitely but when you watch the amount that we do, it's it's more of a it's like I don't know elevated satire.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:25

No, it's yeah, no, it is funny, it's got over-the-top, you know, comedy acting in it, but at the same time, I mean when he fucking stabs his own hand. Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:38

Yeah, good shit. I laughed when he stabbed his hand, though. That's the thing. Did you laugh when he stabbed his hand, or were you like, oh, it's like oh shit, it was about it.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:46

I was more impressed with just the physical action of the whole thing. It's there's some gross stuff, yeah. And there's gross stuff, but yeah. No, this is this is great. I wish it was on TV more when I was a kid because it wasn't. I watched it. I was too late. Well, yeah, now I can watch it anytime. I've watched it probably four or five times now. Hooray. I started watching part one this morning. Did you? Good movie. I watched part one to prep for so then watch part two to prep for the cloud.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:13

So I specifically did not watch part one because I would have got hung up on making all the comparisons, which I already did make a bunch of comparisons. I I couldn't.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:25

I had I could only stick with two, and that's what I did. That scene where she's doing, like where she's guessing the cards before they come out. That's good stuff. I mean there's that's what's missing from this one, is like real like intense, still moments like that.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:40

Yeah, the only time like where Ash is where Ash is in the basement in in two looking for Henrietta, and you're waiting and waiting, the tension's building. They do that a lot in part one, like tension building. Yeah, they don't do hardly any tension building in part two. But it's neither here nor there. We love both of them. Hey, man. All right, Charlie, the next selection is yours. What is the next film we're gonna cover on this pod?

SPEAKER_04 1:43:06

So I wanted to kind of do a movie that I wouldn't normally do because I like the comedy, horror, I like zombie, I like the monster flicks. Rosemary's Baby? Hell, I will never the only reason why I will do Rosemary's Baby is so that I can shit on it the whole podcast, and you guys will be like, oh, this was so great. I'm like, that's garbage. That's not a fucking screen. I don't I don't like it either.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:31

Justin's gonna pick that and we're both gonna be on the show. The fact that it's so highly rated, oh I I double dog dare you to pick that. He's gonna stop me at the beginning.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:39

He's gonna be like, Do you think he had a hard time with martyrs? We were nice to him on martyrs.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:44

I didn't have a hard time with martyrs.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:45

No, no. Do you think we've been giving you a hard time with martyrs? Okay, I can take it. Okay, 2018, not that old. Hereditary. Oh, yes. This movie, there's at least three distinct scenes in this movie where I can say I went, what the out loud. What the fuck just happened?

SPEAKER_05 1:44:09

There's one for sure. When uh it's 11 p.m. at night, I'm watching it, I jump off my chair. I'm hoping that Sarah wakes up because I'm like, I need somebody to talk to you about what just happened on the show. Pause it and like walk around trying to sort life out. I'm like, somebody needs you to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:26

Three specific scenes. I love I I almost said I love this movie. I like this movie a lot. Are we are you invited to the movie? It doesn't have as much rewatchability as I like and enjoying a horror movie. But this movie, if you have not seen Hereditary, go out and watch it right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:43

Yeah, it's it's not a fun hang, guys. It is just sturbling capital D D. Maybe the most awkward dinner scene ever in a movie. You just stare at me with that stupid face. Oh my god. This movie. Tony Collette is a badass. I'll save it, but like, yeah, I love Tony. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:06

So heretic, Charlie's 2024. Oh, wait, hereditary. My bad. Hereditary. Check what next week. All right, guys. Ready to wrap this up? Yeah. Let's do this. All right. Thank you for listening to the All Guts So Gory podcast. If you like what we do, best thing you can do for us, please rate and review wherever you get your podcasts. Say hi to Mando for us. If you listen on Spotify, make sure you follow. You don't want to miss your favorite horror movies being broken down by us. Especially if you like Hereditary, don't miss that next week. Follow us on the gram at all get so gorypod. Drop us some fan mail and the link to all of our show notes. There's a link you can drop us some messages in there. If you got a movie request, any you want us to talk about, let us know. And yeah, what do we got coming up after this? I don't think we have Hereditary. We may before Hereditary, we may try to get another mini episode in before Hereditary. Oh I think we got Fear Years 1987 coming up, which will be our where we draft the movies from 1987. It's okay. The dog we're we're done.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:14

The dog barking was didn't you say uh we were gonna do a mini episode on best dogs and horror movies? That was you. That was Justin's solo. 28 days. 28 days and what no there might have been some of that in the 28 years. Yeah, there was 20 years.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:34

Anywho. It's okay, Justin. It really is. It's fine. We're done. So yeah, that's it. Fear years 1987, if we get it in. Drafting our favorite movies from 1987. You think uh Evil Dead 2 will be one of the draft picks?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:49

No, I will fight everybody to get that one first. 87's a big year. You got scream scream warrior.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:56

Scream warrior. Shit. Strategy. I dare you to take Evil Dead 2. I hope I get the turn and you guys forget about it. You get both of those.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:04

I'd like to start trading draft picks. So look for that and then look for hereditary next week as well. For Charlie, for Justin, I'm Mike. This was Evil Dead 2 on the All Gutsogory Pod. Andy, take us home.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:19

This is the end friend.