The Audience Won't Like It

Ep 1 - Star Trek "Inner Light", Kitty Wells, and Questionable Decisions

• Rob

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We unexpectedly launch our new podcast "The Audience Won't Like It" from our master bedroom closet, discussing one of the greatest Star Trek episodes ever made and exploring the music of country legend Kitty Wells.

• Recording in our closet studio with minimal preparation and equipment
• Introducing ourselves as Rob and Leslie, married podcast hosts with a passion for sci-fi and music
• Explaining our podcast format: discussing a Star Trek episode followed by performing a song
• Breaking down "The Inner Light" episode where Captain Picard lives an entire lifetime in 25 minutes
• Analyzing the emotional impact of Picard's family life on the planet Kataan
• Debating the scientific plausibility and plot holes in the episode's mind-transfer technology
• Discussing how the episode explores themes of memory, identity, and legacy
• Sharing our personal connection to Kitty Wells' music and why we chose "Searching" as our song
• Explaining how this podcast gives us a chance to play music together after years of marriage

Find our musical performances on our YouTube channel since we can't include copyrighted music in the podcast. We're just getting started, so bear with us as we figure this out!


SPEAKER_00:

Alright, we're on. It's really hot in here. We're here in our closet. I'm uh we're giving our real names. We've given very little thought to this. This podcast is called The Audience Won't Like It. The audience won't like it. Um We just came up with that idea.

SPEAKER_01:

Just like 12 hours ago.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. We were watching Star Trek, The Inner Light. Uh we were discussing. What were we discussing?

SPEAKER_01:

We never actually figured that out.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we didn't figure it out. But basically, Leslie said, Oh, the all the her name's Leslie, by the way. My name's Rob. We're here in our closet.

SPEAKER_01:

We're the only married podcast team. Nice.

SPEAKER_00:

Tim and Eric heads out there. Jan and Wayne Skylar. Just call.

SPEAKER_01:

I'll be Jan.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't think would they care?

SPEAKER_01:

They would love it.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. Tim and Eric would love this. Yeah, they'd love this. Um okay. So yeah, we're this is kind of a uh this is a first run. We're testing all the equipment and everything. We're gonna do a real podcast episode. It's gonna be sloppy. We don't even know the name of the freaking show.

SPEAKER_01:

We did, we just named it.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

The audience will the audience won't like it. The audience won't like it.

SPEAKER_00:

The audience will won't like that.

SPEAKER_01:

No.

SPEAKER_00:

At all.

SPEAKER_01:

The audience won't like it.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. So we were talking about, we were watching The Interlight last night. We'll get to that. And I was uh I was critiquing it. I was I was talking about um something that was bothering me. And Leslie said, Well, you gotta remember to say that, or remember not to say it. I don't remember which one you said, but you said, or the audience won't like it. And they said, Well, that's that might be our new podcast name. And it doesn't make any sense, except that you I'm pretty sure chances are good you will not like what we've got together so far.

SPEAKER_01:

I bet you're gonna love it.

SPEAKER_00:

I forgot to clap. I was supposed to clap.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Hey, you know what? I'm gonna clap. Okay. And then we're going to start the podcast. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. And hey guys, welcome to The Audience Won't Like It. Did I say that right? You got it. We just uh we just invented the name of the show. Uh we were talking about our setup here and uh all sorts of stuff that we did we knew that you would not like, and uh we just decided, hey, let's just lean into that. The audience won't like it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Um I bet they won't like that. I'm gonna be slowly leaning into the clothes here in our live on location from our master bedroom closet.

SPEAKER_00:

They won't care if they're just listening, Spotify. Uh, here's the format of the show. My name's Rob. Are we giving our last names? Why not? I'll say it 15 times accidentally. My name's Rob Shoecraft, Robert Bruce Shoecraft.

SPEAKER_01:

Wow, why don't you just give them everything?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, what else you want?

SPEAKER_01:

My name's Leslie Shoecraft. We're married.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, we are.

SPEAKER_01:

Almost for 20 years.

SPEAKER_00:

We're the only married podcast team in the uh closet.

SPEAKER_01:

Tri-state closet area.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. So uh the the format of the show, I'm pretty sure, is going to be we talk about something and then we play a song. We'll probably talk about the song.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, we'll talk about the song. It'll be live. It'll be live playing.

SPEAKER_00:

No, we're not gonna play the song. I don't know if I told you about this, but we're not gonna this is gonna be pretty pretty meta episode. We're trying to figure stuff out. I just bought some recording equipment. As you can see, we have a chair as our table. Um, we're all both leaning in because there's clothes pushing us uh behind us, and it's really hot in here. I'm not actually that hot. I'm really hot.

SPEAKER_01:

You're wearing a lot of clothes.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I just got back from church and I'm all um all dressed up. A little humble brag there. Uh so yeah, the format of the show is we're we we we we talk about in this case Star Trek The Next Generation, The Inner Light. We're just gonna discuss that. We watched it last night, and uh, and then we're gonna play a song uh searching, not search in, searching by Kitty Wells.

SPEAKER_01:

That's right.

SPEAKER_00:

We're gonna talk about that too.

SPEAKER_01:

Yep, we are a little bit.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Now the podcast, what I was gonna say, a little bit. What if we talk about it a lot?

SPEAKER_01:

We may end up talking about it more.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh no promises. Oh my gosh. All right, so the uh we can't we can't perform the song on the podcast.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

So this is how it's gonna go. We talked about that because yeah, it's some licensing thing. I I could be totally wrong at all the licensing.

SPEAKER_01:

Kitty Well's gonna come back from her grave and probably on the grave.

SPEAKER_00:

She seems like that kind of person. She's a grudge holding fool. Um, she's a uh she'd be a honky talk angel, is that?

SPEAKER_01:

She was not a honky tonk angel.

SPEAKER_00:

But she would be if she's trying to pull that jack moves like that. Maybe she's behind this little ghost. We're in the ghost skin. Kitty Wells ghost skin right here. Kitty, you mind if I do that?

SPEAKER_01:

I think I can hear her purring.

SPEAKER_03:

From beyond the grave.

SPEAKER_00:

So uh yeah, but it's something that has to do with uh with with it's copy something has to do with copyright stuff. I can't if we were to just play the song, I think we have to get a different kind of license.

SPEAKER_01:

From the one we have, which is no license, which is no license at all.

SPEAKER_00:

So we gotta not only not only do we have to uh to force you to go to to to listen to this right now, but then you're gonna, if you want to hear the song that we're gonna talk about, if you want to hear us perform that, you gotta go to our YouTube channel. Now you might be watching YouTube right now. Good job, you're already there. But you gotta go to our YouTube channel.

SPEAKER_01:

I have to go into the clothes to copy.

SPEAKER_00:

You gotta go the acoustics. You gotta go with uh you gotta go to our YouTube channel, you gotta watch the song. Um and we'll and and it's gonna have to have ads too.

SPEAKER_01:

See, the audience is not gonna like this.

SPEAKER_00:

This the audience is not gonna like this.

SPEAKER_01:

The audience won't like it.

SPEAKER_00:

The audience won't like it. Yeah, but or the audience is not gonna like this.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, that's just a derivative of the of the name.

SPEAKER_00:

How about derivatives of the audience won't like it? And or I got something hanging off my face.

SPEAKER_03:

It's like this cat hair. It's a Kitty Wells cat hair from Beyond the Grave.

SPEAKER_00:

Kitty Wells. She's it's actually probably a dog hair. She's a nightmare.

SPEAKER_01:

Um you guys are gonna hear all about it.

SPEAKER_00:

Do you know much about her?

SPEAKER_01:

No.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. You're not gonna hear all about it anyway.

SPEAKER_01:

I I really feel like we've really landed on a gold miner. The title of our podcast.

SPEAKER_00:

I can't believe no one's ever done a podcast like this before.

SPEAKER_01:

I I just mean the title.

SPEAKER_00:

All right, so I'm sure that's not a uh podcast name. We haven't checked, but we'll find out after. Okay, if it's not the audience, the audience won't like it, is the name of it. The audience is not gonna like this, is our backup. If won't like it, it's taken. Perfect. Perfect. Spit it. Spit. I take it a drink of water. It's MR drinking time. Cut that crap out. It's misophonia time. I'd rather have Kitty Wells haunt me. Get her fur all over me. Honk.

SPEAKER_01:

I thought you said on me.

SPEAKER_00:

Honked. Okay, so uh Star Trek, the next generation, season five, episode 25.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, I'm glad you've paid attention to that. I did not.

SPEAKER_00:

I did because I was I had a jellyfin.

SPEAKER_01:

I did wear something that some of our audience is not gonna like. Because it's a Star Wars t-shirt.

SPEAKER_00:

Good job. I should have wearing it.

SPEAKER_01:

But I just I don't have a Star Trek t-shirt.

SPEAKER_00:

I have two uh Star Trek uh rash guards. Yeah, jujitsu rash guards.

SPEAKER_01:

I should have worn those. Why are we not both wearing those right now?

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

Dang it. Uh missed opportunities.

SPEAKER_00:

You know what? We're gonna talk about Star Trek again. We'll wear them again. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And also, you won't like the way they smell.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm not even in the audience, I'm not gonna like it.

SPEAKER_00:

So the star so uh rash guards, for those of you not familiar, rash guards and jujitsu terms, I'd imagine probably in surfing terms, surfing terms as well.

SPEAKER_01:

Actually, it's probably where they came from.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it is for sure. Yeah, like not from the jujitsu. Yeah. So uh so uh clothes in general are like this for me. I don't know if they're like this for you, but when I I get to a point where I sweat so much and stink so bad that that when you wash the clothes, it's like it's like my my essence is baked in. Yeah, no, I've never as soon as I start getting sweaty again, it's reactivated, doesn't matter how clean that thing is.

SPEAKER_01:

And it's double the smell, it's double the smell, it's double the essence.

SPEAKER_00:

Are you sure?

SPEAKER_01:

I'm positive. I've been washing your clothes for 20, nigh on 20 years.

SPEAKER_00:

So you just made the clip, I bet. And you just said nigh so well.

SPEAKER_01:

I got excited about that word.

SPEAKER_00:

Nice good word. N-I-G-H. Mm-hmm. It's a good word. Not to be confused with don't N-E-G-H. I N-A-I-G-H into this.

SPEAKER_01:

That will that's a nay for the three animals deep in the show so far.

SPEAKER_00:

What's the first oh kitty? Okay, so we're watching the inner light. Inner light is uh oh so I'm 43 years old, and uh you're 42. 42, and we've been married for uh what almost 20 years. Maybe 20 years coming once. Right. How many times have you seen that episode?

SPEAKER_02:

Twice.

SPEAKER_00:

Twice. Okay. I think I've seen it probably five, six times. To the point I'm at the point now. So originally the the episode just just smoked my brain, it just blew me away. It was a killer, and and then the second time it did too, because it'd been a long time since I watched it. But whatever. Now I'm at the point where I can kind of like make fun of it the whole time um and still love it, but I was I was uh I was having a good time last night watching that, and uh, I was making all these comments, and Leslie's like Save it. Hey, you gotta save it for the podcast, save it for the podcast. And maybe did we come up with the audience won't like it based on that conversation?

SPEAKER_01:

I I don't remember. I don't think I I I've already decided I'll never be able to remember, and I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_00:

So the premise of this podcast that we originally discussed, and it'll be very, very loosely based on this, is that we're two people in line for a concert. Oh, Brian, I forgot about this. Yeah, yeah. Kitty Wells. For a Kitty Wells. We're going to see Kitty Wells. Somebody dug her up. Put her on stage.

SPEAKER_03:

They use bones to pay to get in.

SPEAKER_00:

That's terrible. I hope their grandchildren are not listening. Way to go, Leslie.

SPEAKER_01:

I said their bones are their money, Joe.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm sorry. Sorry, Kitty Wells' grandchildren, that I overlooked the bones of their money.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, they probably have real money.

SPEAKER_00:

We shouldn't talk about digging up Kitty Wills. No.

SPEAKER_01:

She may be cremated for all we know, anyway.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah. It's impossible. We can then. Then it's okay. Because it's not even possible.

SPEAKER_01:

We should find out.

SPEAKER_00:

Did you even do your homework to find out what they did with her body?

SPEAKER_01:

She may be maybe she's still alive.

SPEAKER_00:

Holy crap, what if she's still alive? Okay. I'm pretty sure she was in her early 20s and the 50s. There was a dude, uh C crap, what was his name? Caesar? He was like a former slave. He's the if his story is if his story is true. This has nothing to do with the other line. If his story is true, he's the oldest oldest person to ever have He's a person born. He's a person He's the earliest born a lot of this, folks. He's the earliest born person who's ever been photographed. Oh, right. So he he said he was like 139 or something like that. But if it's not him, then it's this other this is this white guy who's pretty rough looking.

SPEAKER_01:

It's not Kitty Wells, though.

SPEAKER_00:

Not Kitty Wells. I don't think so. I don't think it was her. Um The Inner Light, um one of the best Star Trek episodes ever. I mean, I think it's on like just about everyone's top ten list, including Patrick Stewart, Sir Patrick Stewart's. It's his favorite episode. It's also the episode that he said was challenged him the most as an actor. Which is saying something because he's he's a pretty great actor.

SPEAKER_01:

He's a really good I could see that. I could see that for that show.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, man, he turned it on. It's uh it's a show. Okay, so it's uh we're giving spoilers, right? Of course.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I mean that came out, what, like 1992?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

You think? Yeah. Yeah, I guess.

SPEAKER_00:

92. I think it is 92.

SPEAKER_01:

It's 30 years ago. 30, 33 years ago.

SPEAKER_00:

Go watch it. Um, we already told you it's I mean, we already spoiled a little bit of it by telling you that uh Kitty Wells was not in it. In it. Yeah, so if you were waiting.

SPEAKER_01:

Sorry.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't think I actually told you that. Crap. Spoiler alert, Kitty Wells is not in it.

SPEAKER_01:

Not in the inner light. I'm so sorry, I have a cat.

SPEAKER_00:

Unbelievable. I'm glad these clothes are here. We almost made it to 20 years.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, sorry.

SPEAKER_00:

So uh inner light. Yeah, what are you what are your first impressions? Let me put you on the spot. What are your third, second impressions after watching it the second time?

SPEAKER_01:

So if I were if I had been allowed to watch it in a vacuum without your uh chat GPT conversation tacked on at the end. Would you have like a little straw? I probably would have liked even more. Yeah, you know, a vacuum.

SPEAKER_00:

Because you were in a vacuum.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't think that that could be a vacuum.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't think you can hold your breath for 47 minutes or however long it was.

SPEAKER_01:

I really like it. I think it's sad. I felt a lot of grief at the end of it. Um but then you had to talk about like I mean, you're watching a show that takes place in space. Like for me, it's very easy for me to suspend my display. Yes. And then I can always just count on you to ground me again and remind me that it's TV. Uh I really like the wife. I can't decide if I love her or hate her. She's over the top a little bit. Uh she's like super, she's like the best wife ever.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, she's a pretty good wife.

SPEAKER_01:

And I feel like that's not really believable as as a wife. I could I feel like she was incredibly patient with the timeline, which you should probably with Cayman. With Cayman.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

You should probably maybe give a quick synopsis of that.

SPEAKER_00:

Synopsis of okay. So uh Jean-Luc Picard um is the captain of the Enterprise. Patrick Stewart.

SPEAKER_01:

Patrick Stewart, and Charles Xavier and other and others.

SPEAKER_00:

And uh nothing else matters.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh handlers. Oh, right, yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Dang it, now you just got me one of the list. Patrick Stewart.

SPEAKER_01:

Don't. You tell tell the plot.

SPEAKER_00:

Can we really talk about two things? I don't think we could talk about one.

SPEAKER_01:

I think we knew what this was. Anyway, tell us the plot.

SPEAKER_00:

All right, so so Patrick Stewart is uh is uh Jean-Loup Picard, and he's the captain of the Enterprise, and they're on this, uh they're on the bridge, the whole squad, and all of our favorite. This is a Patrick Stewart episode, by the way.

SPEAKER_01:

I feel like this was like everybody had like a week off, but real quick before they left. They filmed a few minutes ago.

SPEAKER_00:

It does not feature Riker sitting in anti chairs, unfortunately. That's my criticism.

SPEAKER_01:

And no, I don't think anyone says make it so.

SPEAKER_00:

No one does.

SPEAKER_01:

It's too bad.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, does not have Q in it. Um, these are things that it does not have. Let's talk about what it does. Okay. So it has a probe that shows up right in the beginning of the episode. Right off the bat. Right off.

SPEAKER_01:

Just you're just like and it looks like a jack, like from a set of jacks.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, it does. Okay. So this jack uh Jack probe. Jack probe. Are you covering up our jack probes, man? Marriage joke! Uh so a jack probe shows up from uh well, you don't know it's from a planet uh called uh Rasic?

SPEAKER_01:

No, the planet's called Catan. Yes, Catan. So this uh community that they live in is Rasik.

SPEAKER_00:

Resic, yes. Okay. Wow. You sure you only watched it twice?

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I was doing a very good job at paying attention last night so that I could speak somewhat intelligently. Intelligently.

SPEAKER_03:

Intelligently about jack probes.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. Anyways, uh it shows up and basically you find out at the end that uh it was just like 25 minutes.

SPEAKER_01:

Wait. Don't okay. I'll take let me have a stab at the time. Okay. They encounter things.

SPEAKER_00:

I know we're gonna have to talk about what it was about.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. Well, we're getting there. You gotta save the best for last. Okay. The Enterprise team encounters this probe. They don't know what it is, they send out do they send something out to it, or does it just send something to them? They put up their shields because they're it it starts, yeah, it starts scanning their shields. Whatever that means. They say the dumbest jargon in there that I'm just like, oh, they're just scanning the shields with not the ship. So anyway, then somehow it gets somehow this will speak to your end of the chat GPT conversation. Somehow it penet somehow his probe penetrates through their shields and targets just the captain. And then he has like a he just goes unconscious and he's just laying on the ground. All of his vital signs are okay. Then he wakes up, but he's now on the planet of Catan community of Ressic. He has no he he he still is the captain, so he doesn't know where he is or anything like that. But they're acting like he's this guy they've known their whole lives named Cayman. Cayman. And so he starts, he basically is like asking questions, trying to figure out where he's like, Yeah, he's like, but you know, who who are you?

SPEAKER_00:

How do I get here?

SPEAKER_01:

He's still acting like Jean-Luc Picard, like very official and you know, assertive and scientific and all this stuff. And they're they're okay, so they're like living in these it honestly has a bit of a desert planet Star Wars look to it.

SPEAKER_00:

It's not why I chose this shirt, but it's not because it's not because of the absence of a desert on there.

SPEAKER_01:

For those of you who are not watching the show, she has a shirt on. I'm wearing a shirt with the blueprint of the Millennium Falcon. Anyway, Falcum. Sometimes I like to switch the ending letters. That's cool. Um, just to make sure it was really languages evolve.

SPEAKER_00:

That's right.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I've learned that through my sleeping nighttime.

SPEAKER_00:

Great courses. John McWarter, shout out. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So so they're living in this like desert planet and it's it's under a drought. It's in a drought. And so then you so he kind of gets his bearings, but he's like, you know, I'm still Jean-Luc Picard, and this isn't my real life. And then they flash back to the ship. And for the people on the ship, it's been two or three minutes, and they get Dr. Beverly Crusher on the bridge to evaluate him, and she they can't figure out what's wrong. And and Wharf, of course, he's ready to blow the thing out of the sky.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And then Beverly Crusher's like, wait, we don't know what this target is like, you know, this laser is doing to his brain, so don't do it yet.

SPEAKER_00:

She used a whole knife and analogy.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, not yet. Oh, not yet.

SPEAKER_00:

Nope.

SPEAKER_01:

Because Riker's still on board with her plan.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, right.

SPEAKER_01:

To not blow the Jack Probe out of the sky.

SPEAKER_00:

So then they go back to You'd think that Riker would be all in favor of blowing jack probes.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, he does actually come out of the sky to do that. Um, but then they go back, so she says, let's just leave him alone because we don't know what will happen. And so then they go back to Jean-Luc Picard and it's everyone's hair is longer. Sorry about that. Sorry to touch the chair.

SPEAKER_00:

It's gonna make noise. I heard I hear, I heard it. Submarine noises.

SPEAKER_01:

So everyone's hair is longer. So you know it must time must have passed.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. It's all cool.

SPEAKER_01:

Also, I'd like for you to take a moment and talk about the flute.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh.

SPEAKER_01:

That's a huge deal that we haven't mentioned yet. Flute's a big deal. Because he she gives him flute right away.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah. Like he wakes up twice a day to walk around the community. Yeah, he's like, he's like, I'm gonna ask some questions, and it's no matter how crazy they sound, I want, you know, I want you to. Just answer him as best you can. So he's asking, you know, what kind of planet am I on? I'm confusing his conversation with Bataille, who's like he goes around the community and kind of gets his.

SPEAKER_01:

Is that who it is?

SPEAKER_00:

They have like a he's got a little jump to conclusions map laid out. Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I'm gonna go. He's in it.

SPEAKER_00:

That guy's in it. I can't remember the actor's name, but he's no one except for the jump to the conclusions guy. Sorry, buddy.

SPEAKER_01:

So so Picard takes his takes a day to get his bearings in this community. He comes back in the evening. Comes back in the evening to his where his wife has been waiting for him all day to come home because he just woke up from a fever. From her person, from her perspective, he just woke up from a days-long fever. And she thinks his memory is gone.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And she's explaining who he is.

SPEAKER_01:

Who he is to him.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and she says something like real kind of helpful, like a talk about him.

SPEAKER_01:

What his career is. He's like an iron weaver.

SPEAKER_00:

Iron just one of the best iron, the best iron weaver on this planet, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01:

With her strange smile and her jaws from another face. In a nice way. She's an alien. In a nice way. That's true.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Anyways, um, she's she's not a bad looking woman.

SPEAKER_01:

She's not.

SPEAKER_00:

It's just an Picard was fine. Picard, he's okay.

SPEAKER_01:

He's clean. So, anyway, she tells him that he's an iron weaver, whatever. We don't know what he's doing.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and then she's like, also, you're a flute player, but you suck.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm terrible at it.

SPEAKER_00:

So it's like, tell me about myself. Well, I'll start with your job. You're really good at it. The second thing, well, all there is, the only other thing I can think of about you, husband, is that you play the flute all the time, but you suck.

SPEAKER_01:

So you're you're an iron weaver. Only I think you're good at it. Okay. You're really good at it. Here's something you're not good at. But I've been saving it back for you. Here you go. Take it right away.

SPEAKER_00:

And but he does.

SPEAKER_01:

He does, and he plays hilarious songs like Hot Cross Buns, I think.

SPEAKER_00:

No, Frere Jaka. Oh, Frere Jacca. It made me think of hot cross buns, though. He's sitting like on the uh this little staircase that doesn't really go anywhere.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, is that for pl for potted plants? Is that what that is?

SPEAKER_01:

I did. I was gonna ask you where the staircase was for.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't I don't know. I kind of want one though. We got a lot of projects right now. Yeah, we do steal it. We'll talk to Brent.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, yeah. I was just about to say his last name.

SPEAKER_00:

We haven't given him he hasn't given us permission yet. All right. So uh yeah, he's sitting there playing, yeah, he plays Ferris Jacob.

SPEAKER_01:

So that's the that's the first day of his day. And then they go back to the bridge, like I said. And then they say, then the doctor says don't cut off the laser beam. Then they go back, and now it's been five years. He's a little better at the flute. His hair's terrible. It's like it's really long, but he doesn't need spald on top. And this is my dad's hair used to be, but my mom never let it get quite that long.

SPEAKER_00:

He uh Patrick Stewart's got a lot of vascularity in his arms.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, he looked great.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And his wife's hair is also not five years longer, but like two inches longer. Yeah. Yeah. And she calls him out on the fact that he's been he's not committed to the life he has there, and he's always wishing and hoping to try to get back on the on Starship.

SPEAKER_00:

That kind of spoke to me a little bit. Because you know, we've had we've had similar talks.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

We've been through it. But uh and I didn't have near the vascularity of Patrick Stewart. I don't even know why he stayed with me. It's because of my I don't know anything about ironworking.

SPEAKER_01:

I bet, I bet you could get a haircut like that, though. Like I bet you still have it in you to have that. What's that called?

SPEAKER_00:

Uh uh little muck looking thing. Yeah. A little uh fryer. Yes, it's like a fryer fryer chic, I think.

SPEAKER_01:

Wow. Is anyone still listening?

SPEAKER_00:

No, I don't believe they are. I'm listening.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, so then he gets called away by his good good fake friend Batai.

SPEAKER_00:

Fake friend?

SPEAKER_01:

Well, he's kind of fake.

SPEAKER_00:

He doesn't know he's yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Like it's for him, it's it's been five years, but he still isn't committed to his life. He's just trying to find a way back to and so the so then this advisor from apparently the administrator? The administrator. His name was the administrator.

SPEAKER_00:

He looks like what did I say he looked like? Fred Armistead from uh like Portlandia, like as an ape.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, like if he had been in the first planet of the apes.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, that's what he looks like. Well, when he's old. Right. When he's young, his eyes are just too close to the floor. Yeah, he's uh he's okay, he's fine. We are hating up a storm right now.

SPEAKER_02:

I think he's great.

SPEAKER_00:

I think all these people are really honestly, he's not bad.

SPEAKER_01:

You look great, friend.

SPEAKER_00:

And neither's the wife.

SPEAKER_01:

They probably she's very attractive.

SPEAKER_00:

She's got a lot of attractive qualities. She's uh one of those women who you kind of like. Some guys would be like, oh yeah. Others would be like, no thanks. But I see why, but I'm not be like, no thanks, but I get it. Not for me though. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm so anyway.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm on I'm I'm on the O.

SPEAKER_01:

So he goes to talk to so he goes with Batai to talk to the administrator, and the administrator's questioning why they have this symbolic tree because they're like I said, they're in a drought.

SPEAKER_02:

I forgot about this.

SPEAKER_01:

But they decided to how this stuff is all so very important. I can't wait to hear what your takeaways are from this show.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, like you ready, Stephanie.

SPEAKER_01:

I feel like we might be at mid of the plot so far. Yeah. So anyway, the administrator's questioning why they're why they're trying to keep this tree alive and their water could be better spent in other ways. So then Picard, of course, Picard slash Kamen has ideas on how to preserve their water. He wants to build these atmospheric condensers to extrapolate water from the atmosphere, and they basically say we can't do that. Um, but that's like the moment when you see that he's decided because Bataille basically says, Oh, you're speaking like a member of our community for the first time. And so now you see Picard decide he's gonna buy into this.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh yeah, he's like, Okay, I want to get my wife pregnant now.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, basically, yeah. He goes back and basically says, Let's start a life. He's like, I live here now, okay. Fine, I might as well just start and oats. So then you cut back to the bridge, and that's when Wharf is like, I want to blast it. And then the then Dr. Crusher's like, and then she says the knife analogy where sometimes it does more harm to take the knife out.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Than to leave it in.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, meaning she wants to let the laser stay, but Riker's done with the you've had five minutes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Riker said.

SPEAKER_00:

Do you know Riker was originally supposed to be in it? It's supposed to be Picard and Riker down together.

SPEAKER_03:

What was that kind of thing? Fawn in love. Yeah. What was the plot of that kind of thing?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, you know, Riker plays the uh his words, not mine. He plays the bone. You know that? You play the bone, don't you?

SPEAKER_01:

Like the trombone? That's right. I have played it and you played it. Yeah, but I'm no longer very good at it.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, Riker, I'm pretty sure is.

SPEAKER_01:

The most recent time that I played it at the alumni band, I faked it.

SPEAKER_00:

Can you imagine? No, you didn't. I'm sure you did all right.

SPEAKER_01:

No, I didn't make noise. So, like that. And then the time after that, I just stood on the front of the.

SPEAKER_00:

No news is good news. Um can you imagine if Riker was just if Riker was down? Like, how would that have played out?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't remember who wrote the story, but they did it. They did it a good time.

SPEAKER_01:

So anyway, he instructs Data to uh uh attack the thing or try to do something. Yeah, so Data starts trying to to separate, to sever the connection. And then of course Picard. They flash back to Picard. And now they have two children, and they're doing like a what they call it, like a naming ceremony. He's playing, he's making everybody listen to him play the flute. It's not that great.

SPEAKER_00:

He's not playing Frere Jaca anymore.

SPEAKER_01:

He's like two books in the lessons ahead.

SPEAKER_00:

Can I point out something really profound? So he's playing Frere Jaca in those first five years. An Earth song? A French one.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

If you've seen Team America, they have it in that. Um, I think.

SPEAKER_01:

Or if you've been alive at all.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Yeah. Either one of those.

SPEAKER_01:

So sorry.

unknown:

God.

SPEAKER_00:

Something just bumped. Was that a Leviathan? Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01:

Was that a uh it was a megalodon?

SPEAKER_00:

Megalodon. So uh yeah, he's playing Frere Jacker.

SPEAKER_03:

Frere Jacker.

SPEAKER_00:

When in the first five years, when he still doesn't consider himself to be a community member, but after that, he's playing one of their songs. One of their songs. Or maybe one of his songs that he wrote. But either way. He's progressed. I stole that by the way.

SPEAKER_01:

I was gonna ask you if you'd look that up. Well, I was that was a song of the planet of Catan.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that's a whole I didn't know Frere Jacca, but I heard I'm pretty familiar with the flute replication. Public domain Catan songs. Flute Catan Barney. Uh he uh never mind. Okay. Anyways, so no, I the the the art of storytelling is a YouTube channel. There's a guy he looks like across the guy telling you looks across between our friend Dennis and Jimmy Fallon.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

He pointed that out. It was pretty pretty good. You should check that channel out.

SPEAKER_01:

The art of storytelling. The art of storytelling.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Yeah, we invented that guy.

SPEAKER_01:

We'll take all the credit.

SPEAKER_00:

Anyways.

SPEAKER_01:

So while he's doing this naming ceremony and like everybody's being forced to listen to him, it feels very much like a recital that you have to go to.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's like a dude comes up after he just like shakes hands with him. He's like, when you have a party like for your kids, the first guy that shows up that comes up after you put on, as we did, a little show on your flute. The first guy that comes up is just shakes your hand and walks off. Like, I know okay. Plot hole. Anyways, so yeah, he's he's among friends, really good ones.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, really good ones. They have food, yeah. And uh they have a daughter and a son. Yeah, what I mean that doesn't get me the way it gets you.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, yeah, you're like, I still don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

But you know, honestly, what would they have to eat in a drought? Because you need plants and stuff to keep it.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm not saying there's nothing he talks about vegetable stew, like, you're right, okay, that's fine. But Batai was still Heavy. He's a heavy guy.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe that's why he suggested vegetable stew, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. Okay, that's fine. Vegetable stew is fine.

SPEAKER_01:

You should pay attention to what your friends are suggesting to you because there might be a deeper meaning to lesson on whatever.

SPEAKER_00:

And then Picard's like, quit jumping to conclusions.

SPEAKER_01:

He's like, I was in office space. Oh, wouldn't that be a good idea?

SPEAKER_00:

I'm gonna take that from the next property I work on eight years from now, where I age.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, wait, so that was before office space.

SPEAKER_00:

Age horribly. No offense. I mean, he looks great, but he looks better in as Batai. Yeah, he's in that, in the inner light.

SPEAKER_01:

So, anyway, during the naming ceremony, that's when in the on the bridge, they tried to sever that connection and of the probe, and then he collapses in Catan on the planet. So they go back and then they have to like resuscitate him and they try to restore the beam, which they do successfully. And then the next time you go back to Catan, he's pretty old. His kids are both grown. His daughter is a scientist just like him. His son just wants to do music, he just believes in his flute music. It's like Squidward. His relationship with his daughter is that honestly, I have to say, the girl that they pick to be his daughter looks exactly like both of them.

SPEAKER_00:

Like both of them, yeah. I was thinking the same thing. She got the little uh little gap tooth.

SPEAKER_01:

She's very cute, whoever that is.

SPEAKER_00:

She looks like uh she looks a little bit like um crap. What's the actress's name? She's in Last Action Hero, she's Veronica Vaughn. So hot, want to touch the hiny? Billy Madison. She was Sonia Blade from the first moment.

SPEAKER_01:

Wow. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

She kind of looks like her. It's not her, though. It's not her.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

Anyway, she looks great. She's a scientist.

SPEAKER_00:

Good actress too. She was all right. She did a good job.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, she was great.

SPEAKER_00:

And she looked, and when they made her older, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

She looked like the mom too.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, she did, but they also kind of like she also looked like she looked like a Catan 90s mom.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Like they're just like, let's get her okay, short hair and a flowing something like this, and now she's a mom.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yep. She has a child. Here's her child.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, oh, she's got a kid, too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So anyway, they restore him to health, and all his kids are grown, and they're still dealing with the drought. Things are getting worse. And he's like a decrepit look. Oh, his wife dies.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

She gets sick of the children.

SPEAKER_00:

His wife's like, she's like the the son, Bataille and uh and and and Cayman or Picard are in uh they're like, you know, talking to her when she's all dying.

SPEAKER_01:

That's not what we're laughing at.

SPEAKER_00:

No, no. What are we laughing at?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh because then she asks his son to leave. Yeah, she's like and I don't even remember what she says to Bicard.

SPEAKER_00:

Bataille, can you leave us? I need to talk to my my husband. Okay, and then she says some moving thanks to him, but then dies like five seconds ago.

SPEAKER_01:

Instantly.

SPEAKER_00:

So it's like she knew she was gonna die.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, maybe she knew the big thing. Oh, they named their son Batai after the officer's friend. Sorry, I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_00:

Sorry for all the confusion, guys.

SPEAKER_01:

So um, but maybe she didn't think Batai could handle her death.

SPEAKER_00:

I was thinking that, but she could have said I love you or something. Hey, I love you. I might see you again. Or hey, Batai, you're great.

SPEAKER_01:

Don't let me forget to ask you a question about it. I love your song.

SPEAKER_00:

You wrote a good song. You have a song you wrote that I thought was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01:

Thanks for the thanks for pursuing your flute.

SPEAKER_00:

But she's just like, leave. Leave so I can talk to your dad. What is Clark doing?

SPEAKER_01:

Her son's playing VR, and we're just gonna keep on going like he's not.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

They probably can't hear it.

SPEAKER_00:

Anyways, I just thought that was kind of rude.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, well, I've got a sidebar work in hospice, and you just never know. It's true what people are gonna do at the end of life. So you get a pass.

SPEAKER_00:

Music therapist.

SPEAKER_01:

Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, there's a lot of music therapy in this kind of well, therapeutic music. I wouldn't say that memories associated with there's a lot of that. No? Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, Ferra Jaka.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. Whatever that Catan.

SPEAKER_00:

Do you ever play Ferro Jaca for people in hospice?

SPEAKER_01:

I do not.

SPEAKER_00:

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01:

Should start. Maybe I should start. I'll let you know. Okay. So she dies. So she dies, and then the grant the kids get even older and they have their own kid. It you don't get to meet her husband. I like to think he's an upstanding individual.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh.

SPEAKER_01:

The daughter has a husband.

SPEAKER_00:

Does she have a kid? Is one of those kids hers?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, the only child is hers. Oh, the other there's no other child.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. I don't know what I've been watching.

SPEAKER_01:

What have you been watching?

SPEAKER_00:

I don't care that much about the kids.

SPEAKER_01:

So anyway, Picard's like an old grandpa and he's playing on the ground with this kid, and they want to come they want him to come watch this. And like all the while you get the impression that he's been trying to get the community to do science projects to save water.

SPEAKER_00:

He looks like Carl Havoc from I Think You Should Leave.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my gosh, he really does. It looks like he's wearing an old man suit. It's not their best work.

SPEAKER_00:

Did you know that Patrick's everybody thinks Tim Robinson was in the Carl Havoc suit in that sketch? It was actually Patrick Stewart. And all they did was just put him.

SPEAKER_01:

And it was a very low moment for him. He said he didn't want to be around anymore. You're breathing away.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, we don't we're not swearing, right? So yeah, I won't quote him. But he said that he says a swear. He said the F, the F and the S. He didn't he said shoot.

SPEAKER_01:

What's wrong? Oh nothing. I was just saying, oh and like the the administrator?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Yeah, the ape.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Shout out to the makeup artists. I could never even begin to do a quarter of what they they've done. But I can still pass judgment on it. So anyway, he's you could see that that Patrick Stewart's been trying to get them to come along to try to do something to to fix the drought, but obviously they're they don't they're not doing it. They feel like it's a hopeless situation, but they're just trying to keep the peace with the people. And so his daughter and his son want him to come watch this launch. Oh, by the way, at the very beginning, his wife was wearing a necklace that looked like the Jack Probe. That was pretty important.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. That's right.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so when he saw it, he was like, Where did you get that? Because that was like the first day that he got there. Because he was like, wait, that looks just like the probe. So anyway, he goes out to watch the probe launch, and Bataille has died, his wife has died. However, they show up.

SPEAKER_00:

Bataille is sitting in the corner. He's sitting on another one of those weird stair things.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, stairs to nowhere. It's like if Greece, it's like if an ocean Greek village, you know, they're like built up into the cliffside, was on a what's the planet that Luke Umdoor?

SPEAKER_00:

No, no, crap. No, oh Tatooine.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. It's like that.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Staircases to nowhere.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Yeah. Built into the site. Heavily inspired by that. It had everybody was eating those. What are those hot dog things that they have at uh what's the name of the place at Disney?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh gosh. Cantina.

SPEAKER_00:

No, no, no, no. The the name of the world there.

SPEAKER_01:

Galaxy's eggs. Galaxy's eggs. Yeah, but the name of the place you can get those Rontos. Rontos roasters.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Yeah. They were all eating. Well, they weren't, but it was implied.

SPEAKER_01:

Mad and every Star Wars fan is also mad.

SPEAKER_00:

They're not gonna like it. The audience won't like it. They won't like it.

SPEAKER_01:

You can say it in different ways. I don't even know. But the show is gonna stay.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. So he watches the probe, and as he turns and he hears Bataille, like the original friend, not the son, and he looks over and there's like young original Batai. And then his wife shows back up too. She's young.

SPEAKER_00:

That'd be such a weird. That'd be weird.

SPEAKER_01:

And then they have this terrible they all kind of join together. But there's like a terrible, like two-sentence summary of this experience. And basically, I'm gonna get it terribly wrong, so maybe you should say it.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh yeah, I've done such a good job so far. So they basically say, our pl we we die, we all died a thousand years ago, and we want you to carry our we want you to know who we were as people.

SPEAKER_01:

And which is something that he had said to the that that Picard had said to the administrator. He's like, You can't just let these people die. We need to send some people up or whatever. You can't let your civilization be lost to time.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and he's like, we're working on something.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

It's something really, really advanced.

SPEAKER_01:

We'd and even though you seem like the smartest person on the planet, we're not gonna tell you what it is or ask you to please help us build it.

SPEAKER_00:

Also, also, okay, this is where I was I was getting real upset because so I use ChatGPT a lot for I'm well, I'm one of like 15 builders.

SPEAKER_01:

So basically, he finds out he's been in a simulation of sorts. Oh, yeah, which probably the whole point of the probe was to find intelligent life that they could immerse in their culture and someone could carry on the memory of their civilization. It doesn't really explain. Like, did they know the whole time that they were just like putting him in this thing?

SPEAKER_00:

What is that Clark's yelling?

SPEAKER_01:

If you talk about what you think, I'll I'll send him a watch message.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, it was like uh are you saying was it like the Truman show or was it more like Yeah, yeah, were the people in on it? Like I I don't know. I think that's an unanswerable question. I'm stepping on the rewatchables a little bit here, but it's kind of in turn like this is this is why I didn't know what the kids who's whose was whose and his grandkids and all that was because I'm sitting there thinking, like, what would happen? How did how does this whole thing work? Like, first of all, how the heck did it did it or the did a planet? I'm gonna kill Clark.

SPEAKER_01:

Should I just go take a break real quick? Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

I'll do the planet. I'm not gonna really kill him. Just we love him. Yeah, we do. We do. He's a good guy. Um plays a good saxophone too, though. Who will never come on, will he?

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

I bet if we pay him, he will. He loved money.

SPEAKER_00:

That's true. He does. Okay, so uh yeah, so what was I saying? They're I think I was about to say two things at once. Let me just say that I wanted to know how this thing was supposed to play out. Like, if they were to have is it just gonna be like on a on a some sort of uh chronometer? What's the word this of actual word? Uh uh a clock?

SPEAKER_01:

Uh-huh, I'm sure. Yeah, I just wanted to know.

SPEAKER_00:

Like, would it have been like at minute, you know, or at year 60 or however long he was there? I'm sure it's I'm sure it was said, but I don't think it was. Then are we just all gonna show up and tell them what happened? Or like what if what if they grabbed Wharf? Okay, I sort of got into this a little bit. What if Wharf just lost it and just went berserker and killed like half the city? Like, would they have been like, okay, this was supposed to be like this huge thing for us to show you our civilization, but you ruined it? Like if Clark was in it, like and like basically killed White Run, like the way he plays Skyrim.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. So so that's why I was wondering, were they intelligent enough to find a person like Picard?

SPEAKER_00:

It had to have been, right?

SPEAKER_01:

And of course, then it seemed like he shaped what happened. But how could that be?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, he couldn't have. There's a little bit of a paradox in there.

SPEAKER_01:

And also, like, well, the because okay, so then he wakes up after they reveal to him that it is a um, yeah, unless it was adaptive, but like Or if they pulled data and he just fixed the whole thing in like 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And they're like, oh crap, I wish they were here for real.

SPEAKER_01:

He wakes up after they reveal to him that he's just been living in a simulation of sorts. He wakes up back on the bridge and it's been, what do you say, 25 minutes? He's lived an entire lifetime and had a family and all that stuff. Yeah. And um, but for them it's which is to me the coolest part of it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I love that so much.

SPEAKER_01:

And so then they they get the probe after he's okay and everything, they go on the probe, which I find hilarious that they just go on it without him. Like, wouldn't he want to go on it? Because they don't go on it, he doesn't go.

SPEAKER_00:

Just the captain.

SPEAKER_01:

It's not like he's like important, and he'd just like lived an entire life at the hands of this probe. But anyway, Riker comes goes to his room, comes to his room, and he like presents him with this flute. Yeah, and I'm like, well, then why would there be a flute on there if he didn't influence it somehow? Or is that just because that was such a huge thing in their culture? Influted.

SPEAKER_00:

I I was thinking the same thing. Like, what if he's like, I honestly, I hate the flute. I that's not me. Or did they just build yeah? I don't know. They really took a gamble with the flute.

SPEAKER_01:

Just a part of their culture, like it's just like but nobody else was playing the flute.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it was just like uh no.

SPEAKER_01:

The oh, by the way, they all dress like Peter Pan.

SPEAKER_00:

Well like tie dye, scrubs, Peter Pan with hammer pants and hammer pants.

SPEAKER_01:

Like pantaloon. What are the safari pants called? Safari pants. Or like, didn't they wear them in like the German troops wear those pants that have like those you just keep doing? Can you guys think the pants go like this? They go out from the hip to the knee, they go outward from the body.

SPEAKER_00:

The biggest plot hole in the whole thing was that they're all wearing these pants that she's talking about, sort of. And they're these big puffy, they look like hammer pants. They do, they're like German hammer pants.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, I know what I was gonna say last night. If you guys have ever been in 4-H or done any like entry-level sewing projects, I know you haven't, but maybe some of the other audience members.

SPEAKER_00:

Sure, yeah, yeah, it's a thing.

SPEAKER_01:

It looks like they went to the store and bought like a discount fabric that like nobody was buying, and it looks like it's terrible scrub material, and then it looks like a fourth grader's first sewing outfit for like a 4-H project. So if you've never looked that up, or we have fourth grader. Well, you need to go look that up so you can get a real set. Don't look up what they actually wore.

SPEAKER_00:

Look up oh, look up what fourth grade first sewing costume project, not a costume, but like an outfit. Did you make a did you make an outfit?

SPEAKER_01:

No, but I have a lot of friends. Oh love you.

SPEAKER_00:

Why don't you brag a little more?

SPEAKER_01:

A lot of friends whose children are making first outfits.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Um again, something I'm not capable of doing, and somehow I'm also making fun of.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I was just not gonna like that. Not one bit. So the baby didn't have the pants. The baby didn't have the little poof, the poof, the hammer pants.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, we don't dress our babies in well, we do. Yes, we do. We dress them like babies.

SPEAKER_00:

The baby should have had puffy pants.

SPEAKER_01:

That was a pretty significant plot hole.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Like, I'm surprised that Picard wasn't like, because he's a pretty astute fella. Surprised he wasn't like, wait a minute. Why don't why isn't the baby oh Batai?

SPEAKER_01:

The baby they named the baby Batai.

SPEAKER_00:

Why didn't he have pantaloons? Pantaloons.

SPEAKER_01:

Desert pantaloons.

SPEAKER_00:

Wait a minute, is this a simulation?

SPEAKER_01:

He just jumped. Did he say human music?

SPEAKER_00:

Human music. I like it. Uh well, speaking of uh Rick and Morty, that was a Rick and Morty reference. Uh oh crap. What is the name of the game they played? Roy. Remember the game Roy?

SPEAKER_01:

No, but maybe I will if you remind me.

SPEAKER_00:

Roy is, I think they made a whole they made a whole episode about it. I'm pretty sure it's the one that uses Angela, the taxi theme song, as a shootout soundtrack. It's the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life. Anyways, so I think this is that a Bob James song? Yeah, it's a Bob James song. So the Roy is is uh it's this game, and Morty's playing it, and he's Roy, and it's been in two episodes, and he lives an entire life, and then it comes out of it, and like, whoa, dude, and then Rick jumps in and like he's setting a Roy record or whatever, and he's just like kill killing it. I love like that whole is there anything else to talk about in this before I get into who knows what?

SPEAKER_01:

No, I I think we've really beat it.

SPEAKER_00:

It's a beautiful episode. Like, honestly, I've really it doesn't sound like I love it. It's like one of my favorite anything's ever. It's fantastic. It could have easily been a Black Mirror or a Twilight Zone episode.

SPEAKER_01:

It's kind of standalone, like it's not one of my favorite episodes because what I really love about the next generation is the dynamics between all the cast.

SPEAKER_00:

That's true.

SPEAKER_01:

So I did really, I do really miss that. That's why I was like living for those seconds when like Wrecker was like, Yeah, let's let's sever the thing that's keeping him alive, see what happens. Morph's like, yeah, let's do it. And they're like, Oh, whatever, didn't work. Data restore it.

SPEAKER_00:

I wish that they just made Wesley Crusher his son, and that for just no reason. They just had uh we'll wait and play this one.

SPEAKER_01:

And Geordie had one line in the entire show.

SPEAKER_00:

I know.

SPEAKER_01:

Is anyone else not in it at all? Wesley Crusher.

SPEAKER_00:

But Troy wasn't in it at all, I don't think.

SPEAKER_01:

She was she you would have she would have been the perfect you would have thought she would have been like debriefing him immediately after, or she would have been there because there was no physical symptoms and it was just his neurologic, his uh, what did she say? His neurotransmitters were like off the charts. He was having tons of synaptic activity trillion times the normal synaptic activity, basically because he was living an entire life in 25 minutes.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

She would have been a perfect Danatron.

SPEAKER_00:

She would have had something to say there.

SPEAKER_01:

I can't believe how much I know about Star Trek. I know that I don't even know.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't either. For as much as I love Star Trek.

SPEAKER_01:

But I can't even believe I can have a conversation with you where I'm like, yes, she would have been the right.

SPEAKER_00:

This is what I know. I mean, we should we've lived together for 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_01:

It's a nostalgic show for me too, anyway.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, me too. Yeah. We uh Star Trek was on our house a lot. My mom's mom is a huge fan. My dad and my sister. My dad, not so much.

SPEAKER_01:

My mom, no, but thank you.

SPEAKER_00:

Or my brother. Anytime I talk about Star Trek, he's sends me like a ogre from Revenge of the Nerds screaming. Um, which is reason to talk about because that's another good thing. Okay. What was I what was I saying?

SPEAKER_01:

You were about to go down the some sort of path away from the show topic. So sorry.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, oh, I just love Inception. Uh basically this kind of time bubble sort of thing. I know Inception's not a time bubble, but it basically is time dilation, anything like that.

SPEAKER_01:

Anything with there's this uh Well, the Inception's like that because it's like the deeper you go, the less time passes in real life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. It's layered too. That's not exactly a apples to apples comparison, but uh it's it's that same kind of it scratches that same sort of itch for me. Um Mother of Learning is a cool literary RPG. Um I'm a I'm a pretty big nerd. Um, it's not super hot.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, they have like this sort of like you look literally a big nerd.

SPEAKER_00:

Mine, yeah, but physically 6'4, 250 in the 250s.

SPEAKER_01:

Are you in the 250s?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

You look like it.

SPEAKER_03:

Was that like try this vegetable suit. Try this vegetable suit.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I was fine. Uh so uh yeah, the mother of learning they have this place where they go so he it's a time loop. Uh it's a time loop story in fantasy. It's like Harry Potter with time loops. And they Harry Potter has a time loop. Oh, that's true.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, a time episode. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

A time book, movie slash book. Book. Hermione has it.

SPEAKER_01:

Everyone in America is calling her Hermione until the movies came out.

SPEAKER_00:

Like, oh so yeah, Hermione's got that uh what was it? Time turner. Yeah. Uh anyways. Anyways, they have like this castle, this rooms, these rooms they can go in, or a day, or a month is in a day. So not only can he keep looping time, but he can also maximize time by it's that book. It's not like the best book The Mother of Learning. Yeah, there's four of them to series. It's good. We'll do it on this podcast sometime. Okay. Audience is gonna hate it. Love it, won't audience won't like it. Like it.

SPEAKER_01:

You're just trolling me. You really can't remember that. I I You're just really nervous. I'm just really nervous.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm very nervous. Um anything else we want. Oh. Well, I was gonna talk about something else with the with the episode. Well, were you gonna say anything more about scientific issues with I just got I got a lot of issues with it. Um I first of all, and this is why I was getting mad at ChatGPT, because I was like, I'm trying to I'm just brain dumping to it, and I wanted to like, hey, I'm doing a podcast tomorrow on this. I'm just gonna write a bunch of stuff out, fill in the facts, something that you think is interesting. It kept arguing with me. The new ChatGPT 5, I'm not very impressed. I'm not.

SPEAKER_01:

Who should we tell?

SPEAKER_00:

Sam Aldman, I'm I believe, is listening. Okay, I'm sure he's listening. Um anyways, I don't want to attack him necessarily, but they'll fix it. Um it'll be fine. But anyway. I was I was putting all this stuff out there, and I'm saying, like, okay, how why isn't Starfleet using this technology to maximize you know, skill acquisition among all their officers and I have a rebuttal for that, but you can tell me that's what I'm saying. Please, no, let's get let's get to it.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I feel as though it had to be a traumatic event to find out that it wasn't real. But was it not real? And I feel like you can't mess with the brain too much because then it undoes it's it you're sacrificing something else.

SPEAKER_00:

But what? Did he? As far as I know, Picard was fine. By the way, he lived another like what two and a half seasons or two seasons having had a family. That's what it is what I love about it, is that he had lived an entire lifetime on another planet with a bunch of people.

SPEAKER_01:

I can't think of this, but does does that re- does that?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, every now and then he'll play a flute. It's like, oh yeah, there he is. Yeah, but he won't say anything, like, oh, you remind me of my son. There you are. You're playing with us.

SPEAKER_01:

So I feel like Picard's a pretty standalone type of person that could handle something like that. But if you're talking about like training, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00:

Like, hey, anything. Let's create a simulation. I'm sort of talking it's kind of a little matrix-y, that was like kind of an immediate dump. But uh I'm talking about like, okay, we need we need we need a uh uh an offer Beverly Crusher needs a new person who can do this special kind of surgery. We're gonna put her in a simulation where she's gonna work on in 25 minutes she can come back. And in 25 minutes she comes back, she's just who you need, right? Like, why don't they use that? So Chad GPT's like, well, they couldn't because it was it was it's self it self-destructed itself and made it, it turned itself off or something like that. I'm like they could turn it back on.

SPEAKER_01:

Are you like you're they you're a simulation tracker?

SPEAKER_00:

This is a planet that struggled to make condensers to to generate water, they have like two of those in every room and on the Enterprise. So they can't do that, but they can make this this thing that will outrun a supernova. I don't know how much of what a supernova once what a Sargos Nova, I think that's a pretty big explosion.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, it destroyed like six planets.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. So this thing, okay. Maybe they maybe they how long did it take Voyager to so they said they they said they suck at rocketry. So they're gonna put all their effort into making this thing that could bypass the Enterprise's shields, target the smartest guy in the room, somehow make him live an entire lifetime without frying his brain.

SPEAKER_01:

Um and then turn itself off.

SPEAKER_00:

And then turn itself off and carry a freaking flute, which is a lot of things.

SPEAKER_01:

But they couldn't come up with any sort of bioengineered ship to keep like you know the children alive. Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. So it's just like again, I love the episode. But so this is why I was getting mad, not at the episode, but this is why I was getting mad at Chat GPT, because I'm making these arguments, and it's like, well, no, they already said that what they did was I'm like, no, that was a plot plot, it's called plot armor dick guy. We're not swearing, right? Right, I think we should so yeah, we should not. So that's why I'm here.

SPEAKER_01:

I was getting ready. That's the only reason I'm here.

SPEAKER_00:

So I'm sitting here getting really Leslie's like has tears in her eyes, and I'm just like getting all mad about Chat GPT arguing with me about uh I mean I'm totally right.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, but like it's a thought exercise, so quit referring back to something that's already real, like like Chat GPT's downfall is that it was like, but this is already the way it is, and you're like, Yeah, but I'm asking you what if it was a different way.

SPEAKER_00:

I should have given it given it a different role. It's my fault. I forgot how to use it. I was just a lot of emotions. I'm glad we talked about this.

SPEAKER_01:

Me too.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you. Should we talk about Kitty Wells some more?

SPEAKER_01:

Sure. So I don't know a lot about Kitty Wells. Um, so sorry about that.

SPEAKER_00:

Are we what are we doing? Are we picking a song? Okay, we we I pick a song one week, you pick a song the other. And we're just doing songs. Can I can I give a little uh Exposition on please. Okay, so this is covering this is scratching a lot of itches here. This song plan. Uh number one.

SPEAKER_01:

Mostly for you.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Well, do you not want to?

SPEAKER_01:

No, I want to. You play songs all day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Uh number one, um, I've been playing guitar for like, well, let's just say I've owned a guitar for over 20 years. Dude. Oh my gosh. Oh. You know that's screaming.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, you're giving your exposition on a sudden.

SPEAKER_00:

I owe I've owned a guitar for 20, 25 years. Um, I don't really know any songs. I uh when whenever somebody says, you know, can you play a song? I'd say you play first and I'll just hop in. Well, I want to learn some songs. So this would be a good opportunity to learn some songs. I know some stuff, but not really. Uh two, I know my mom really likes every time like they're visiting, they live uh they live about four hours away. Every time they're visiting, and I'm playing the guitar or one of the kids is playing something. If you look up, she's there with her camera recording you. And uh, I know she sits there and she watches them uh when she's at home, which is really sweet. So I thought, okay, I'll make some we'll make some song. We'll every week we're gonna have something new for my mom to watch, right? And I'm sure you know this is I know this is like the really leaning into the whole stereotype of my mom's the only person who watches this show, but quite literally, like that is one of the big reasons for it. And then another reason is that I've always kind of wanted to play with you. We don't ever play together. We do something. It really doesn't really count. We sometimes play a church together. Um that's always kind of funny. We played like a garden party together, what, like 10 years ago? We did it twice, didn't we? Yeah. I thought it'd be kind of cool to put a set list together, you know, someday if we ever want to go out and play a bar or something, just kind of mess around, be fun. It'd just be fun.

SPEAKER_01:

Just a couple 40 year old married people.

SPEAKER_00:

So those are the reasons for this, and uh also it gives us some it gives us like a consistent genre for our podcast. So it's a format, a music podcast, I guess.

SPEAKER_01:

It's not, it's not please. Don't tell that to anyone.

SPEAKER_00:

They're not gonna work.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh so Kitty Wells is on my radar because I do a lot of um uh we live in rural Appalachia. A lot of people that I see for work are primarily interested in gospel country, the older, the better bluegrass type crossover type music. And I personally did not listen to any of that stuff really growing up. But sometimes people will ask me for songs and I don't most of the time I don't know them and I go listen to them and I learn them. And then some of them I actually like. Not a lot of them. And they're all fine, but some of them like I do really like, and I really like this song that we're gonna do called Searching by Kitty Wells. It was written by uh what was that guy's name?

SPEAKER_00:

Pee-wee Pee Wee Maddox, yeah. Pee Wee Maddox.

SPEAKER_01:

Pee Wee Maddox. Uh he wrote some songs for who did I say Fats Domino?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh no, the light. You know what? It's fine though. It's fine.

SPEAKER_01:

We're still here.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

We have not a lot of natural light coming in.

SPEAKER_00:

We do. This is nice.

SPEAKER_01:

You you wouldn't you wouldn't believe that because we're in a closet.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's tight.

SPEAKER_01:

But we don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

But I mentioned it's hot.

SPEAKER_01:

I are you hot still?

SPEAKER_00:

I'm a little hot.

SPEAKER_01:

Anyway, you like slip note piano.

SPEAKER_00:

Mm-hmm. Floyd Kramer. Yeah. I don't think it's a little bit.

SPEAKER_01:

This has a bit of he's not, but it has a bit of that feel to it. Even though we're both gonna be playing guitars. Yeah. There will be no piano.

SPEAKER_00:

No. I don't and yeah, I'm not Floyd Kramer on anything.

SPEAKER_01:

But I love the way she sounds when she sings her words. She manipulates.

SPEAKER_00:

It's kind of warbly. It's warbly. What's the what's the uh contemporary artist you like Sierra Sierra Farrell. Sarah Farrell.

SPEAKER_01:

I feel like she's the new version of a Sierra Farrell's got a better voice, though. She does. She does. But it also wasn't the time that that kind of thing was really celebrated either.

SPEAKER_00:

What a good voice.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh just the musicality of like I feel like Kitty Wells was like, here's what you're gonna like they I don't know this. I speculate that they all of the men in the music industry were like, here's the song you're going to sing. It has five notes. And then she was like, Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, probably still.

SPEAKER_01:

But now, like Sierra Farrell, I mean we're definitely living in an era where she's like kind of in charge of how that all sounds.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh no, the camera went out. What's that say?

SPEAKER_01:

Battery something. Are we out of battery?

SPEAKER_00:

Battery.

SPEAKER_01:

Are we still recording this? Yeah. Oh, okay. Shucks. Should we put a should we go ahead and take a pin and take a pin? Put a pin in this and stop for a second.

SPEAKER_00:

Do we want to? Okay, let me think about this.

SPEAKER_01:

Because we could always record it on a cell phone. Yeah. Just to have it done.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh how do we everyone's gonna be seeing my true colors now? I have to tell you what to do. Should um if the goal is to finish it, let's just get a phone. Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Either. Should we have Clark record it?

SPEAKER_01:

Can't we just put it in this in some sort of tripod?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, but then you gotta have a phone holder for that.