Ep 6 – The Roots’ “Next Movement”; The Dollhouse Murders; Motorcycle Romances

Two married friends wait outside a venue and tumble from a haunted 80s classic into a love letter to The Roots. We map the chills of The Dollhouse Murders, the craft behind “The Next Movement,” and why live musicianship still feels like a magic trick.

• roleplaying two strangers in a concert line
• premise for covers on YouTube only due to copyright
• favorites corner on books, live albums, and nostalgia
• summary of The Dollhouse Murders and key themes
• 80s children’s lit grit, family dynamics, caregiver strain
• why ghosts and dolls still scare, microfiche memories
• The Roots’ history, Fallon era, and musical depth
• Things Fall Apart as a landmark and why it holds up
• song structure breakdown, modes, and syncopation
• live music quality, ensemble comparisons, production
• dream cover artists and soundtrack fits for the track

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Transcript

Cold Open And Theme Fumbles

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Two married friends in a little room surrounded by clothing and two microphones They got in a car crash. She died in his arms. He kissed her kissed her lips because she was still warm the audience won't like it.

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That's beautiful. Pretty good. We nailed it I nailed it.

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You did, and I helped a lot.

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You helped a lot. Thank you. Let me adjust this.

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I mean adjust as well. We're both having adjustments.

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It's our theme song. It's a work in progress. Um may add to it. I meant to actually add to it.

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Sorry about all the underwater sea noises I'm making, right?

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More of a uh exposition as to what the podcast is. Guys, this is the audience won't like it. It's a podcast featuring a married couple in a little room. A car crash. There's not gonna be a car crash today. It's um hypothetical car crash? It's a hypothetical car crash. And what this is, is a uh it's sort of a music podcast. It's it's a couple um of strangers. That's who we're we're we're role-playing right now, and they're waiting in line for a concert, and they don't know each other because they're strangers. We we talked about last week they could have been it could have been like an arranged marriage. Still strangers.

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For some reason my mind went to the patient-doc relationship, but that was a few episodes back when I was in line with a podiatrist.

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Oh, right, right.

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Is there a way to turn these down? I feel like it's really live.

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Uh yeah. Although it's, you know.

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It's fine.

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Yeah, it's fine.

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I'm just gonna keep moving it away from my face then.

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Okay.

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I feel like I can hear all my own breathing and tongue sounds. Can you hear them?

SPEAKER_04 2:18

Tongue sounds?

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And lip noises that that are just normal mouth noises that I'm now super sensitive about. I don't know why you, by the way, I could hear it like once or twice on the last recording.

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I'm super sensitive about it. You should be.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

Well, I can't.

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On the last episode, I uh got in real trouble with me. I got in some serious trouble. I've been actually sleeping in this closet for a while. I it turns out I'm probably gonna be the one who dies in a car crash. The brake line's not working.

SPEAKER_01 2:50

Oh no, like the band track.

SPEAKER_04 2:52

It's sort of apropos.

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The band truck brakes did break yesterday on the way to the Well, I was talking dollhouse murders, but Oh wow. Well He did just have an accident, as it turns out.

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Uh let's get Okay, we'll let me let me explain. Um I'm gonna here here we go. You ready? I'm gonna explain the podcast. Let's just get we're gonna get it all out too.

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Sorry, I keep forgetting we have to do that.

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I want to work this into the theme song somehow.

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Okay.

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It may not we may have to abandon the 50s chord progression.

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No.

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No? Okay, good. We'll figure it out. But basically, okay, this is the premise of the show.

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Ten minutes before we're ready to record.

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Yeah, I'll forget again and I'll do the same one again and screw it up again. Uh that's my that's part of my bit. All right, so this is a podcast where we're very, very, very loosely staging an event, a concert, two people at a venue, standing next to each other in line. They have nowhere to go. They have no waiting for the doors to open. And, you know, somebody comes, somebody's making small talk, they want to talk about, of course, the show that they're gonna see. They might want to talk about other music that they like. They might want to talk about which will kind of lead to pop culture. Yeah, maybe other things they're listening to.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:07

Breeding, watching, breeding. They may maybe they're very proud of their um Their uh labradoodles? Oh, that kind of breeding, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

What other kind of breeding would there be? I was thinking like their genetic line?

SPEAKER_04 4:21

Yeah, I was thinking maybe they'd just be just kind of get around, you know? Like uh sewing royal oats.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

2023 and me went out of business so I could tell you all my breeding.

SPEAKER_04 4:31

Did it track that? Did you you track you track breeding in it? Is that what it's for? I thought it was like a DNA, like uh Well, it's not what you're talking about. It's like my fitness pal for for breeding, for human breeding.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Oh no, you vlogged three days in a row.

SPEAKER_04 4:51

Machine. Um, so yeah, the they they talk about they could talk about breeding, they could talk about reading. And uh and they'll talk about more than likely they'll get on some random topic, and it's a topic you can't really escape from. In this case, I think we're both pretty big fans of the topic. Oh, yeah. We'll get there.

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We will.

Gear Talk And Keyboard Stand Chaos

SPEAKER_04 5:10

And then at the end, they play a they play the concert. Oh, by the way, the guy standing in line has a guitar.

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He brings a guy so guitar.

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Sometimes the girl does too. Not not a person you really want to see at a at a concert. No, right.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

Sometimes she brings a keyboard.

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Sometimes she brings a keyboard.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

Also, this is very awkward. Someone needs to come up with a keyboard gig bag, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 5:30

I'm sure it exists, right?

SPEAKER_01 5:31

The ones that we've used in the past don't fit your stands. Which seems ridiculous.

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Hmm.

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They're just measured to the keyboard, but when the stand is compressed, folded, it's longer than a keyboard.

SPEAKER_04 5:44

I got a pretty good idea. Pretty good solution for that.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

What?

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Um you take the stand, it folds, right? They're pretty they're pretty well built.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

Yep. Sure.

SPEAKER_04 5:53

Um you put some trucks on the bottom of it, wheels, and you sling that keyboard over your back, and you write it like a skateboard, the stand.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 6:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

Do you think in the future it will have like jets and all airstream in? The like back to the future.

SPEAKER_04 6:12

The stand will.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

Like all airstream in on the stand, like a floating skateboard. Is that like a back to the future?

SPEAKER_04 6:17

I wouldn't call it I guess airstream is a it's a hoverboard.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

I'll hoverboard in on my keyboard stand.

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An airstream?

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Is that like a uh it's like a camper or something?

SPEAKER_04 6:27

Yeah.

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But it sounds like I'll be riding on a stream of air.

SPEAKER_04 6:30

Yeah, it's fine.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

Okay. So anyway.

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I'll allow it.

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You see these people in the line, they got instruments, you try to find somewhere else to stand, you can't get away, and now you're stuck talking about it. Yeah, yeah.

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You gotta talk to them and you know, you make the most of it. You enjoy your conversation until the door's open. When the door is open, you run. There's a concert.

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And you pray that you don't have to sit by them during the concert.

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I think at that point. I think the way this is going, you're gonna want to.

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You're gonna want to.

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You may even end up uh, I don't know, breeding.

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Too late.

SPEAKER_04 7:00

That happens at a lot of concerts.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

I bet it does. Never happened to me at a concert.

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Um it kind of happened to me.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

Really?

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Yeah, that's how we met.

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We didn't breed.

SPEAKER_04 7:10

Well, no, but we did eventually. We met at a concert.

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We did.

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Mm-hmm.

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Of sorts.

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Yeah, it was a party.

SPEAKER_01 7:21

It was a college party with big black music.

SPEAKER_04 7:23

One of those parties that has somehow you know one of those parties that has like f I don't know, twenty five, thirty, forty kegs? You know how many minutes beers in a keg?

SPEAKER_01 7:33

How much how many kegs are in Athens County?

SPEAKER_04 7:36

Man, that's a great question. I don't know. We'll find out next time.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:40

Yeah, I'm sure I will do that for you.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

I know a few people we could probably ask.

SPEAKER_04 7:43

Yeah. But they know it like right off the bat. They probably know it for their kids' names. Um so good for them. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's nice. So we were we're kind of we're developing a little bit more structure to this podcast. Uh I'm trying to be a little more music oriented, a little like we're going somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:01

That's why it's only taken uh eight minutes to go somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

Right, right. Pretty good. It was 10 minutes last time.

SPEAKER_04 8:08

Shave a minute off every time until eventually we'll just hit record and stop immediately. So have we it?

SPEAKER_01 8:14

Have we gotten to Favorites Corner already?

SPEAKER_04 8:16

Yeah, so we're, you know, two people are talking. That's us.

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Yep.

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You're the girl.

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I'm the girl. Yeah. Are you the boy?

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Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Okay.

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I'm kind of more of a man, I think, at this point.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

Well, am I a a girl or a lady?

SPEAKER_04 8:30

Oh yeah. You're a woman. I was just picking up what you're putting down. Okay. No, it's fair. You're right. I it's gonna be a bad word at some point. Probably pretty soon, calling a woman a girl. It probably already is. I'm sure there's a lot of people get upset with it.

SPEAKER_01 8:46

I'm not too upset about it. That depends on the deliverer.

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Hmm.

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And the tone and the and the everything, the context.

SPEAKER_04 8:54

Yeah, context matters. Yeah. It's good. So yeah, so it might start off with like, hey, this uh these guys, the roots, they're pretty cool. Um the guys were kind of. What else do you uh the guys we're going to see? Yeah. We're going to see the roots.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

We see someone different every podcast.

SPEAKER_04 9:10

It's really weird. They they haul in all their stuff. Not a not a small band. Uh well, usually they travel with a lot of extra folks, usually a pretty big review. I've seen them before. Have you?

SPEAKER_01 9:20

What?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:21

Gosh.

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And when?

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I don't even remember the name of the venue. It was in Columbus. They were with um, it was probably in like 2000. Maybe like the phrenology era, probably. I think that came out in the early 2000s. That's another.

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So we know each other.

Format: Covers On YouTube, Reviews Please

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. We weren't married yet. I went with actually I went with uh I think the dudes I was hanging out with last night.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Oh, good, good buddies.

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And D Wangs. That's Dwangle. I don't want to say his real name. Dwangle. Geronimo Jones. Dwangle Geronimo Jones'.

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Geronimo Dwangle.

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But uh yeah, we went and uh I think they were with Common was there. And uh I think Farside opened for them.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Did you go to the outdoor venue?

SPEAKER_04 10:06

No, it was indoor. Oh. But it was cool because the roots, I mean, we'll talk about the roots more extensively here in a moment, but great show.

SPEAKER_01 10:14

Jimmy Fallon's house band?

SPEAKER_04 10:15

Jimmy Fallon's house band, yeah. Which I never actually, I don't think I've really seen that show.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

Oh, they're great.

SPEAKER_04 10:20

Oh, I know they're great, but I mean have you seen clips.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

Yeah. Well, because he does a ton of music stuff on his show. All kinds of like music.

SPEAKER_04 10:28

Kevin Eubanks ever sit in with him.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

I wouldn't know who that is.

SPEAKER_04 10:31

Yeah, but you would.

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I would.

SPEAKER_04 10:32

Yeah. He's a guitar player for uh Jay Leno. He was like the lead guy. Uh handsome black gentleman, uh kind of a model not broy ball the white piano. No, no, that's uh Letterman.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

Oh, okay. That's the only thing I ever watched. I didn't ever watch Leno.

SPEAKER_04 10:49

Um, I wonder how Kevin Eubanks is doing. I don't know. I haven't checked up on him in a long time. I always like that guy. He's just always laughing. He seems like a really good hang.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

So back to the roots, though, real quick, the concert. Every every podcast, we do actually have to take a moment to pause and think about what they're gonna ride in on.

SPEAKER_04 11:06

Not yet. Oh. There's something I want to say. Something I really gotta say. I think we need to open with this. This is this is real. This is like a PSA kind of deal.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 11:15

Um the cover that we're talking about, it's if you're listening on on the podcast, just Spotify or Apple or or whatever you're wherever you get your podcast. Um we can't do the cover. It's a copyright thing. Someday I'll figure it out. Uh or get a lawyer or something.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

I have a lawyer.

SPEAKER_04 11:34

Yeah, but okay.

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I hope he's not listening. He's probably crying right now.

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Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

He's probably like, oh, what about me? Sorry, Graham.

SPEAKER_04 11:43

There's a plug. He's a good lawyer. Okay, so uh, yeah, we can't. If you want to listen to us do the cover, and it's in in this case, it's uh well we'll talk about the cover. What the we'll give some feedback. You gotta go to YouTube. You gotta go to our YouTube channel, which is also the audience won't like it. No, we see we're kind of starting. I got some we got some stuff.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

Yeah, it's it's getting really mad that you have to leave and go to another platform. But you're gonna do it because you love us.

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And you might be watching watching on YouTube, just stay tuned. It'll be there.

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Like and subscribe.

SPEAKER_04 12:14

Thank you. Okay, and give us a nice review if you're on uh Spotify and you're gonna be. There was this podcast on uh the the the book series um Red Rising.

Reading Habits And Favorite Pods

SPEAKER_01 12:29

Oh, really? I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_04 12:31

Uh when I when the last one came out, I had to catch up and I didn't want to reread the entire series, they're massive. Uh so there was a podcast where they do, I think, five chapters at a time, something like that, and they break it down and they cover like rapid fire plot synopsis in like the first seven minutes of those five chapters. So I listened to all of them. I want to plug them. I cannot remember. I think the Howlers, the the anyways.

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Howlers movie.

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But the the the the it was a guy and a girl, and they're the a man and a woman. And uh the woman, I wish I could remember her name. She was pretty funny.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

But she's so far you can make it a lot of great efforts on the podcast.

SPEAKER_04 13:09

But she would always say, if so it's a super violent book. And like somebody pretty much dies every five chapters. So she would be like, and if you don't give us five stars, we will and then fill in the blank of whatever terrible death happened in the it was very clever, I liked it. Anyways, um, I'll listen to it again, I'm sure, when the uh final installment of that series comes out. You gotta have you have you ever gotten uh I've read three. You've read three of them, the first thrill. That actually ends pretty well. You could just call it a day after that, although I highly recommend strap an end for the next three. They're insane. Okay. That kind of decent segue into what we're reading.

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Favorites corner?

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That's what I read. The favorites corner.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

Yeah.

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That's what we're doing. What we're calling the consumption junction.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

What's your function?

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Did you ever go on consumption junction?

SPEAKER_01 14:01

No, Rob. That sounds like something that you that I shouldn't have gone on.

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Rotten.com or we said whenever some in college, whenever somebody left their door unlocked.

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You put that up on there.

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Maybe make their wallpaper something really special.

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I can't believe we went to the same college. I would never have done that.

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I probably did it to you at some point. I was proud of proud of my work. Yeah. Um, so what what have you uh what have you been listening to? Or reading or other than Dollhouse Murders and Next Movement, I'll repeat.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Yeah. Um, well, I finished up Howl's Moving Castle, like I told you last time, which I guess is not news.

SPEAKER_04 14:43

And that was your second time reading it?

SPEAKER_01 14:44

Yes. Okay. It was my only time ever reading it with words in my eyes and not words in my ears.

SPEAKER_04 14:49

Oh, that's right. That's a rare uh that's a rare book that you've listened to.

SPEAKER_01 14:54

I listen to a lot of books.

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But just motorcycle romance.

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But if they're like, I would never listen to those.

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I bet that'd be kind of hot. No.

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What if someone heard you listening to it?

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Has anybody ever heard you listen to a book?

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No.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

But I don't listen to no one's here. I don't use headphones. I just listen to it out in the free air. Anyway. And then I read the Dollhouse Murders. Then I read the Dollhouse Murders.

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That's beautiful. I love America. I'm breathing free air every day. Thanking God for it.

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I do actually.

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There's an Eagle. Oh my gosh.

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Eagle Boy. We have an Eagle Boy.

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We do.

Favorites Corner: Books And Romance Tropes

SPEAKER_01 15:32

Um And I did consume one romance novel this week.

SPEAKER_04 15:39

What was it?

SPEAKER_01 15:40

I don't remember the name of it. It's not important.

SPEAKER_04 15:42

Wow. But it was a what's the genre?

SPEAKER_01 15:45

It was a motorcycle romance, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:47

Motorcycle romance. We got motorcycle romance, vampire romance. Werewolves. Werewolves. Hockey players.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Occasionally hockey players. I don't really like sports.

SPEAKER_04 15:56

Has there ever been a crossover between all those? Or two or more?

SPEAKER_01 15:59

There's always crossovers between vampire and werewolf stuff. That's okay. Well that makes sense. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:04

But I mean, like, how about uh how about hockey player motorcycle gangs?

SPEAKER_01 16:07

Not that I've discovered.

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Vampire motorcycle gangs.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

No. Really? I've noticed.

SPEAKER_04 16:10

Ninja motorcycle gangs like Miami Connection?

SPEAKER_01 16:13

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:14

You've seen Miami Connection with.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

I have seen Miami Connection. Like a time or two.

SPEAKER_04 16:17

We should do that on this show. Oh yeah. It's a fun time. Write that down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

It's a great movie.

SPEAKER_04 16:21

It's always up here. I'll do Big Trouble of China one of these days, too, which I'm not saying Big Trouble of China is actually a masterpiece. Miami Connection is not, but it's still, I still hold a deer. I don't think I'm ready to do my. I don't think Big Trouble of China might have to be like the 500th episode. I feel like I have to get a chance.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

You'll have to actually sit down and watch the whole movie.

SPEAKER_04 16:41

It'll probably be a 16-hour. I'll bring Finch in.

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Like a rock-a-thon.

SPEAKER_04 16:46

We'll get Finch down here.

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Yeah.

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I told him if I ever do Big Trouble of China, he's gonna be on it.

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And I'll just go somewhere else.

SPEAKER_04 16:52

No, no, no, you'll be here.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

Oh.

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You're standing in line with us.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

Aww.

SPEAKER_04 16:56

We'll be uh we could be like a uh like a thruple. And uh an arranged, we could be like maybe uh for those of you who can't see me, I'm saying no.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

With a shake of my head.

SPEAKER_04 17:10

Yeah, but she's not a very strong shake. It's not a lot of conviction. I feel like there's a little bit of play in there.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

Brian's probably like, I have a wi I have a wife.

SPEAKER_04 17:18

He's fine with it. She's fine with it. She's cool.

SPEAKER_01 17:21

We're drifting.

SPEAKER_04 17:22

All right, yeah. No, back on track. So How's Moving Castle?

SPEAKER_01 17:25

And then, but for listening, and then I read Dollhouse Murders.

SPEAKER_04 17:28

But then worth reading twice?

SPEAKER_01 17:30

How's Moving Castle or Dull Dollhouse?

SPEAKER_04 17:33

No, Dollhouse. We'll get to it.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

Oh, yeah, for sure. It's worth reading twice. But I don't want to say too much more about it because I talked about it last week.

SPEAKER_04 17:39

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

But a listening thing that I love so much that I've been listening to is the miseducation of Lauren Hill.

SPEAKER_04 17:44

Hmm. I was gonna talk about Lauren Hill today. You were? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

Oh, because did she do something with the roots?

SPEAKER_04 17:50

No, but uh I want to talk, I want to, I want again, um we're we're building bones here a little bit. And uh I would like to get into I feel like we've we've done a very poor job of of uh discussing the featured artist who we're gonna see.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:05

So I wanted to kind of give some more topics. Okay, so like dream covers.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

I think you failed to communicate to me how important that was to the case. Yeah, I never told anybody any of that.

SPEAKER_04 18:13

Yeah. Well, I'm just I'm figuring it out as I go. I've I just wanted to start this thing.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Yeah, get it going. It's the whole uh you learned that from me.

SPEAKER_04 18:20

Well, I uh yes, and uh some billionaire entrepreneur was talking about uh listening to a podcast a few years ago, and he was saying when you start a project, every project you start, you should be embarrassed about the way you started.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

Because you're gonna grow so much.

SPEAKER_04 18:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

That's kinda nice. All right, cool. But we I feel like we've just like five short weeks.

SPEAKER_04 18:40

A billionaire told me to make this podcast terrible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

To start off bad.

SPEAKER_04 18:44

Yeah, make sure it sucks.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

Well, I think we have checked all those boxes.

SPEAKER_04 18:47

Yeah, we have. We're ready to rock.

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But now we've grown.

SPEAKER_04 18:49

We've grown. This is actually we've arrived.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

Anyway, I love the miseducation of Lauren Hill. It's a delightful album for singing along. I love I actually am not a person who likes a lot of like snippets between songs, which I know that's a pretty popular thing on. Oh, like uh they talk to the kids in the classroom and stuff.

unknown 19:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:11

I listened to that so much when I was in high school that I have like what they say memorized and my my favorites were uh were the ones on death row, like with W balls and Yeah, I never ever heard any of that. Well, the station that's I can't repeat any of it. By the way, we don't uh tend to have profanity. We definitely dance around double entendre's like tap dance, river dance, really. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

But clogging Southeastern Ohio.

SPEAKER_04 19:36

You know, we've already talked about breeding a little bit. That can mean anything though. Uh well, pretty much it couldn't mean anything. Well, it could mean like any species. Like when you're talking about labrodoodles, it's kind of like, oh my kids can listen to this. But then when we start talking about breeding, like with a thruple.

SPEAKER_01 19:53

Pretty sure you can't breed with a thruple. Still just can.

SPEAKER_04 19:56

It's just kind of like brush and roulette, sort of. Like which one is it?

SPEAKER_01 19:59

I don't want to have to talk about that anymore.

SPEAKER_04 20:00

Okay. I kind of throwing up the guardrails. Does that ever come up in your motorcycle books?

SPEAKER_01 20:06

No. I don't really I don't personally are they exist.

SPEAKER_04 20:09

They weren't written by a man then.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

Okay, definitely they weren't. You should read one and you'll know. You ever read They're all like murderers with hearts of gold.

SPEAKER_04 20:18

Have you ever tell me, I'm gonna give me a little rundown on this last one.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Oh, they're all the same. There's always okay, so they all they all all the motorcycle people. The bikers, I guess we could call them.

SPEAKER_04 20:34

They're half motorcycle.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

They've breeding with motorcycles.

SPEAKER_04 20:37

Like these like transformer abortion people. That's fine to say that it's robots. Well, people, yeah. Okay. Cyborgs.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

So it's always about one of the and they're all clubs, not gangs, because they're all trying to walk on the legal side.

SPEAKER_04 20:52

Oh, they're trying to get right.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:55

Where they a lot of times maybe they have a pass.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

Oh, they all have a past. They all come from broken homes, they're all ex-m military with PTSD, they're all you know former drug users, they're all, you know, former prostitution ring runners, and they all own strip clubs, and they all work really hard to keep the strippers safe and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_04 21:13

Okay, so like they're like pants who care.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Yeah. They don't let them do any of that other kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_04 21:19

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

They just love it. They just dance.

SPEAKER_04 21:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

And then there's always the own music. The girl is either one of two things. Um a down on her luck, like broken also from a broken some type of narrative, who has no money and she's working 15 jobs to make ends meet, and then she ends up being a stripper at the club, and then the bouncer falls in love with her, and he doesn't want to strip anymore. Yeah, my mom never listens to me.

SPEAKER_04 21:47

This is good. I like this.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

Or she's like some super high-powered boss lady that lowers herself, quote.

SPEAKER_04 21:56

How'd she get involved with these guys?

SPEAKER_01 21:58

Well, a lot of times she's representing them as their alone. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 22:02

Oh, is that what like like Graham? Does he ever you think he ever gets involved?

SPEAKER_00 22:06

We should ask him with motorcycle games. Bikers. Motorcycle people.

SPEAKER_04 22:14

They're like, oh, we need representation.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

And then so like they, of course, they hate each other at first and they dance around the romance, and then when they do finally get together. Sorry, I had to swallow it.

SPEAKER_02 22:32

I snorted, so we're even.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

When they do finally get together and they're like they're embarking on a happy life together and they've accepted each other, then usually something happens where because she's with the biker, she's now in the line of fire, she gets shot, or he gets shot, and then they have to go kill the people who perpetrated the violence against whoever, and then they come back together and live happily ever after.

SPEAKER_04 22:57

So it's always the same kind of arc. It's like a it's like a gritty hallmark movie, essentially.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

Sure.

SPEAKER_04 23:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Yes. That's a great way to describe it.

SPEAKER_04 23:04

Thank you. Um okay. That's fun.

SPEAKER_01 23:07

It's very much a delightful escapism. It's like any TV show on like the CW or you know.

unknown 23:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:13

I mean I'll never watch Sons of Anarchy, but I'm sure that's I like the literary RPGs and stuff. Half of them are just atrociously written, but they're they scratch an itch.

SPEAKER_01 23:23

How about you?

SPEAKER_04 23:23

I don't know what kind of itch you're scratching, but uh it's cool.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

Um motorcycles.

Music Deep Dive: Rick James To Live Albums

SPEAKER_04 23:30

I I have been listening to uh well, I listened to Rick James Come Get It.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 23:42

And the reason is it actually has a little bit so you know, you know the part wh I'm I'm stepping on what we're gonna be saying later, but the part of the next movement was like that always makes me think of Mary J.

SPEAKER_03 24:00

Yeah, I wonder.

SPEAKER_04 24:03

I don't think so. I think it's just uh inspired by uh maybe I'm sure I'm sure all the whole Roots crew is very familiar with Rick James' body of work.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

Um Is he still with us?

SPEAKER_04 24:16

Rick James? No.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

He's been dead for like 40 years.

SPEAKER_04 24:19

No, he's been dead for I'm gonna just throw out a decade or so.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:23

You know, uh he was 2015. Alive enough to be on uh on um Chappelle Show.

SPEAKER_01 24:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:31

That was out, early 2000s, 2004 to seven, something like that. Sounds about right. Um it's a you know, a first run. Every now and then I'll listen to an album that's just I just love it immediately. Pretty rare. Most albums that I listen to are acquired. Acquired. At least, you know, there'll be a couple tracks I love. Like Mary Jane. I that's one of my favorite songs. I just love that song. Uh, I think I first heard it on uh the Friday soundtrack. Just want to hear it.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Excuse the ignorance, but is he just a singer? Does he play any instruments?

SPEAKER_04 25:03

No, no, he's a multi uh instrument. Yeah, he's kind of like uh I'm gonna make people mad. I'm gonna say like a uh you can make him mad because then it makes a total of our he's sort of like a uh poor man's prince.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

I wonder why a baby would be mad about that.

SPEAKER_04 25:22

Um Rick James fans.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

It was a joke.

SPEAKER_04 25:25

Oh. Charlie Murphy might be mad if he if but he's he passed away too. Rick James and Charlie Murphy could be in our show. So for for those uninitiated, we have a uh we're kind of planning a dream concert with a lot of dead.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

Uh it's sort of like uh for the children for Hunger, World Hunger. We are those.

SPEAKER_04 25:50

Yes, exactly. It's like Live Aid. Well, actually, that's a pretty good segue to another album I listened to. It's let's see if I can it's a mouthful. The Tedesky Trucks Band with Leon Russell, Mad Dogs, and Englishmen. Uh lock-in review of basically what it is, is this huge, massive production. They have like an ensemble of folks of you have horn players, you got okay, so you have uh Derek Trucks, uh Susan Tadesky. Um you we We were watching her on YouTube. Yeah, yeah, she's she's amazing. And he's a fierce, fierce guitar player. I love that guy. And you have Leon Russell, uh, who we talked about uh man we talked about the wall of sound, the uh uh uh what the heck's what's the name of that uh the Wrecking Crew um in the one of the old podcasts, and years ago weeks and weeks ago, days ago two to three, yeah. And uh so more on him in a second. And then Warren Haynes is on it from uh Government Mule or Alderman Brothers, kind of the next era of the Alderman Brothers. Uh Chris Robinson and Black Crows is on there.

SPEAKER_01 27:18

Yeah, we like him.

SPEAKER_04 27:20

Who else is on there? Rita Coolidge. Um I'm missing somebody huge. Anyways, you got horns on there, you got a full so back in did you ever see any Woodstock? Did you ever see Joe Cocker of Woodstock performances?

SPEAKER_01 27:37

Like the original Woodstock? Yes. Like 69.

SPEAKER_04 27:40

Well, okay, so Joe Cocker, do you know who Joe Cocker is? Okay. Um he did these uh he did this massive show. Like once Woodstock hit, I think he got I'm not I'm probably getting some stuff wrong, whatever. Just roll with me. He did once Woodstock once he he just blew up after Woodstock, so they went touring. And and Leon Russell, back this is 1970, uh, when they started going on tour. Leon Russell actually ran, kind of ran the show. I think I think he was like the the brains behind the whole thing. He played keys on it, sang Baby Brains. Baby brains. Anyways, um, and uh so to Tedesky Trucks band, they they've done a show, they've done a sh another show where they've recreated a live uh a live performance of uh Layla and other sort of love songs by Derek and the Domino's Clapton Band, which I've never heard that. It's one of my favorite albums, so I I next week we will be talking about that. Okay, if we meet in line again, no longer strange.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

We could be on location, I think, next time.

SPEAKER_04 28:51

Oh yeah, we're going on a little uh 20-year uh podcast anniversary podcast for Mad Dogs and Englishmen. Um so they do uh tons of songs. They do so they do a lot of songs. So Joe Cocker had like a ton of covers, but he's the kind of did the kind of covers where kind of made it his own. You know, like uh yeah. I understand what that's like The Wonder Years, you know, the Right, yeah. Or they do a box top song, um Um Ain't Gotta Take It for an Arrowplay. Okay, but it's this huge just massive production. They got I think they have like a dozen vocalists on there, and it's it's amazing. It's a really good show. Uh Jason uh recommended it to me.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

I was hanging out with him yesterday.

SPEAKER_04 29:39

Were you? Oh yeah, the uh band performance.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

Everyone was wanting to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_04 29:43

Shout out to the Gallup's Blue Devils. They're going to state marching band going to state and and our good buddy's birthday today. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

Did you text him?

SPEAKER_04 29:53

Well, Bradley, I did. Oh. Sure did. Good. Um and they did uh Uh so what else did they do? They did some band songs. They did some Leon Russell tunes. And it's just it's just really good. Oh, I don't know. Oh it's uh yeah, it was uh just themselves. Yeah, I'm sure. Well it was done in 2015 and it just was released in 2025. I don't understand why exactly, but anyways, great album. If any of that sounds appealing to you, listen to it. It's live. I don't always love live music unless I'm actually there.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Right. And of course the you know I mean I love live music, I don't like listening to a recording that has all the crowds on it.

SPEAKER_04 30:39

Part of the problem with a lot of live recordings is that uh well, assuming that the musicians are actually good um and that they're maybe doing something a little different, maybe at least the guitar player might play a different solo or whatever. Something you're not gonna hear on the studio album. But one of the biggest beefs I have with it, regardless of the quality of the performers, is the quality of the production. So unless you got just excellent.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

Well, there's a lot of room to for it to be kind of crappy.

SPEAKER_04 31:08

This is good though.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

That's great. What's it called?

SPEAKER_04 31:10

It's called I don't I don't even actually know the whole thing. It's called Tedesky Trucks Band and Leon Russell, Mad Dogs and Englishmen.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Does it have an Ida an album name?

SPEAKER_04 31:22

Or is it just it's the lock-in, I think that's the name of the uh it's like a festival. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

Like an overall kind of 24 hours.

Biopics, Ford Vs Ferrari, And JFK

SPEAKER_04 31:33

Yeah, it's at a church in town. They have spaghetti in the basement. Um the uh anyways, it's awesome. And I'm I'm definitely gonna know uh and I started listening to some more uh Derek Trucks and um what else are I listening? Oh, you know, I watched Ford vs. Ferrari.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

Oh, that's right. Fifteen minutes at a time.

SPEAKER_04 31:55

Fifteen minutes at a time. Did you finish it? I did.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

Did it end happy?

SPEAKER_04 32:01

No. Huh. I mean, yeah, it ends fine.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

It's a biopic, so it's oh, it's literally about those cars?

SPEAKER_04 32:10

Well, it's about the it is, yeah. About the companies? Yes, it's it's Matt Damon and Christian Bale.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Yeah. And I thought you're gonna punch me when I say this.

SPEAKER_04 32:22

Okay, get ready, guys. YouTubers, watch this.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

I have thought in the throat until this very moment that it was part of the Fast and Furious franchise.

SPEAKER_04 32:34

Wow. You really gave that one a chance. Leslie will not watch any biopics. She won't.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

I'm really not gonna watch it now.

SPEAKER_04 32:45

What let me ask you this. What what do you what turns you off more? The fact that it's a biopic, or uh I always want to call it a biopic. The fact that it's a biopic?

SPEAKER_01 32:55

I think that's what we should be calling it, honestly.

SPEAKER_04 32:58

A biopic? It almost sounds like it could be like a part that like a motorcycle person might have.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

I thought that's what it was until I heard someone say biopic.

SPEAKER_04 33:06

Oh, okay. So that makes you feel better. It does.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

Well, do they have any biopics, biopics about Hermia?

SPEAKER_04 33:13

Um so uh what do I like?

SPEAKER_01 33:18

What turns me off more?

SPEAKER_04 33:19

Yeah, the fact that it's a biopic or that it's about racing.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

Yeah, those are two negative they're both in the negative column.

SPEAKER_04 33:29

It's a really good movie. I think you I honestly think I would love it. I think you'd like it better than Master and Commander.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 33:36

Which was a sweet movie. And I wish you'd watch the rest of it with me.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

We had to spend time with our family. And you always need something on the other hand. No, no, no, but I watched it later. But you always need something you can turn on that I'm not gonna be mad at you for watching without me.

SPEAKER_04 33:50

You know what I'm gonna watch uh starting tonight when I get back on the bike?

SPEAKER_01 33:53

What?

SPEAKER_04 33:54

JFK. I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_01 33:55

Yeah, no interest.

SPEAKER_04 33:57

Just uh, anyways, I'll talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

There's usually no no biopic worth telling that doesn't have a ton of heart-wrenching sadness, and I just cannot. That is a big part of it for me.

SPEAKER_00 34:08

Is that it?

SPEAKER_01 34:08

Yes. Because you have to watch them fail, because then of course that's half the reason their story is so interesting. But no.

SPEAKER_04 34:17

Yeah, it's uh it's a great, it's a great movie.

SPEAKER_01 34:19

I mean, I bet you know how the JFK ends.

SPEAKER_04 34:24

How? I don't actually. Uh one of the reasons I haven't watched What? Yeah, I know. Oh it might start that way. I have no idea what it's about. I've never watched it. I think it's Oliver Stone made it, if I'm not mistaken. Kevin Cosby's in it. I I've put off watching it for 20 years. I mean, it came out in 1991. Let's say I considered watching it in 2000 for the first time. I put it off forever because I thought it was uh I always heard it had nothing. I always heard it was a just a far cry from from reality. Oh, I I I don't want to talk about it yet because I haven't seen it. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:00

Anyway, should we talk about our topic for today?

SPEAKER_04 35:02

Uh well, I I think um was there something else I was gonna mention?

Pivot To The Roots

SPEAKER_01 35:08

I don't have any idea. Because we still gotta talk about all that stuff about the music. Okay. I gotta get my phone so I can get some um some of my notes pulled back up.

SPEAKER_04 35:17

Oh, you got notes?

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 35:19

Oh, hey, I'm gonna do a little segue here. You ready for this this uh super smooth segue?

SPEAKER_01 35:24

I am.

SPEAKER_04 35:24

Hey, the roots, huh?

SPEAKER_01 35:26

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:27

They're pretty cool. Remember that show, uh miniseries called The Roots? Or Roots? This is about slavery.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

Have I seen it? I don't remember it. Oh no, stranger. I don't know that I've seen that.

SPEAKER_04 35:40

Oh, well here, uh as a as a white man, let me tell you about slavery. No, it's uh it is uh no, it's really good. It's you won't talk about heartbreaking stuff. But uh Lavar Burton's in it.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

Oh my gosh, but um bum.

SPEAKER_04 35:54

Yeah, it yeah, from Reading Rainbow.

SPEAKER_01 35:56

They just relaunched Reading Rainbow with a new guy.

SPEAKER_04 35:58

They did? Who? I don't know. The guy from Blue School's one of the three.

SPEAKER_00 36:03

Steve.

SPEAKER_04 36:04

Steve, Steve's the OG. The uh no, it's you know it's a shame is that uh the dollhouse murders was never featured on Reading Rainbow.

SPEAKER_01 36:15

I'm so surprised to hear that. Did they feature a lot of chapter books on Reading Rainbow?

SPEAKER_04 36:21

No, and honestly, I think I think but you know, I don't know. I don't remember. I don't remember. That was that was my segue. I just wanted to kind of shoehorn that.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

Oh wow, you really did shoehorn it.

The Dollhouse Murders Summary

SPEAKER_04 36:31

Yeah. I worked on it a little bit. So the dollhouse murders, have you read that before? Strange uh woman? Well not a girl.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

I recently read it this week. Prior to that breeding partner when I was in elementary school, I probably read it 15 times. Um and that is not an exaggeration. Yeah, I had a remember the scholastic book stuff.

SPEAKER_04 36:57

Yeah, I was it was it was around me. I remember book fairs.

SPEAKER_01 37:01

Okay, well, we didn't have the like you know how our kids have like it set up now? We'd never had anything like that. It was just the flyers. We would get paper flyers like quarterly.

SPEAKER_04 37:08

You couldn't go like browse the books on the table in the li in the school library? Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 37:13

If we ever did that, it was maybe once. I can't, I don't know if I actually have a memory of that or if I'm superimposing the kids' memories onto my own self because we went to the same elementary school. Um, but yeah, we would just get paper flyers, and they were like the cheapest quality paper, almost like if cardboard could be paper.

SPEAKER_04 37:33

Oh, I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 37:35

And then there would be like burns really well. Yeah, yeah. And then it'd be like a it's like newspaper, like really cheap newspaper.

SPEAKER_04 37:40

Yeah, and you could it's like uh tele uh phone book paper.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 37:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

What'd you call that?

SPEAKER_04 37:46

Uh crappy paper. Yeah, phone book paper.

SPEAKER_01 37:49

And then it would be like a little two-page flyer, and then there on the back it would be like you just check which one you want. And so I I thought money was no big deal. So I would just fill out the whole thing with like a million things, and then I'd take it home, and my parents would always buy me books. So I got dollhouse murders from the scholastic book sale.

SPEAKER_04 38:08

I went to uh book fair one time with I think my mom, she didn't have a smaller bill, so she gave me like a hundred or something.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

Did you come home with 40 posters and no books?

SPEAKER_04 38:17

No, I came home with uh the entire hardback series of moss flower red wall, this like uh epic fantasy kind of like Lord of the Rings played by rodents.

SPEAKER_01 38:31

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:32

Uh and my mom was she was it was expensive. I think I spent almost the entire all the money she gave me. And she's like, Well, you're reading everything.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

And I bet you didn't read any of them.

SPEAKER_04 38:42

I read 40 pages of the first one. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 38:44

Almost how many were there?

SPEAKER_04 38:45

Four.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

I'm like, I think I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 38:50

I've never actually read it.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

Uh remember when our son went to school for the Secret Santa and only bought presents for himself? And I made him take them all back and return to it. If you take$20 to school to a book fair, you better bring one book home at least.

SPEAKER_04 39:08

If it was an audio book, I would have listened to it.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

Do you think you know how the books come with like necklaces and stuff?

SPEAKER_04 39:15

Yeah. Yeah. Kind of like some sort of screen.

SPEAKER_01 39:18

Clark has like a million shark shark tooth necklaces, and he would every time we would tell him he had to buy a book, he would always get the one with the shark tooth necklaces.

SPEAKER_04 39:25

Do you think still have that hanger from the Highlander?

SPEAKER_01 39:28

It's in my car.

SPEAKER_04 39:29

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:31

Little by little, we're gonna give away enough information about ourselves that's gonna know everything.

SPEAKER_04 39:37

You could already probably deep fake the crap out of us if you want.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

Not me.

SPEAKER_04 39:40

I mean, don't.

SPEAKER_01 39:41

I'm undeep faking.

SPEAKER_04 39:42

We'll talk to our lawyer as soon as he's done wrapping up this big case with this motorcycle game. He's gonna come after you. Well, I wonder what necklace or what He's like the only other person in the world I know who likes literary RPGs. So whenever I talk to him, that's all we talk about.

SPEAKER_01 39:57

Does his friend does our friend Mike like him?

SPEAKER_04 40:00

I don't you know, Mike might. Mike definitely likes Red Rising.

SPEAKER_01 40:04

I bet I bet the other Mike, which would be the brother of Julie, I bet he likes him.

SPEAKER_04 40:09

I bet he does. Yeah. Well, next time, next time somebody finishes a doctorate in something or hanging out against the wheel.

SPEAKER_01 40:17

Um well back to the necklaces though.

SPEAKER_04 40:19

Yeah, tell me about the necklaces. Is this a murder necklace?

SPEAKER_01 40:21

Well, that's my question. What do you think? What little trinket came with the dollhouse murders?

SPEAKER_04 40:27

Uh I'd say like a diny little knife. A little bleeding doll.

SPEAKER_01 40:30

Oh, that's a good point. Or do you think miniature would have been good?

SPEAKER_04 40:34

Yeah. Yeah, some sort of little miniature. The what is the name of it? There was this uh Go ahead. Continue with the dollhouse murders.

SPEAKER_01 40:48

Well, so I really liked it. It scared the living daylights out of me. And I could only read it I read it a lot on vacation because we were all always together on vacation and was never alone on vacation. So I could read it in the car. I read it in the um we used to go to Florida, and so I would I read a lot in the van on the way down to Florida. I definitely read it on the way there and on the way back. Because if you only take six books and you're on a two-week trip to Florida, it's not enough books. Yeah, it's I've reread so many books because we didn't have cable.

SPEAKER_04 41:17

It's one of the reasons I've seen Tommy Boy like 7,000 times watching it in the car. We'd have like two movies. Well, V VHS. We'd we'd take like I was telling your mom about this yesterday. Uh we'd take like a uh, I don't know, uh 18-inch, maybe not even that big, uh, VCR combo. It would kind of like just wedge it somewhere in the console and then have like a cigarette lighter adapter. And we'd go to like uh Kmart or something on the way to wherever. Pick out a movie. Yep. We'd watch it a million times.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

I usually just bought books at the the c the Kmart in Marathon, Florida. If you've ever been there, they have a big um mural of under the sea creatures.

unknown 41:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

Painted on the building.

SPEAKER_04 42:01

And do I have to like drop your name to look at it?

SPEAKER_01 42:03

No, the Kmart went out of business, so I don't know what's there.

SPEAKER_04 42:05

Oh, it's a Kmart. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:07

No, you could just drive through the parking lot. No name dropping needed.

SPEAKER_04 42:11

I have definitely read the dollhouse murders before. And I do not know exactly how. I I've I decided it had to have been an in-class reading.

SPEAKER_02 42:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:21

Because one, I never read. So there's that. That's just kind of case closed. And two, uh, dolls scared me more than anything on the planet.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

Yeah, I can't believe that. That's the great point that you read that book. I can't believe it. I'm really proud of you. Yeah. And you read it again.

SPEAKER_04 42:38

I read it again. And I was always made sure I was with a buddy. Um, it's uh Now did you listen to it this time? I listened to it.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

How was that?

SPEAKER_04 42:47

Not bad.

SPEAKER_01 42:49

Who narrated it?

SPEAKER_04 42:50

Gosh, I knew you're gonna ask me. I should have said that.

SPEAKER_01 42:51

Is it Betty Wren Wright?

SPEAKER_04 42:52

No. It was uh Carol Candace.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

Carol King?

SPEAKER_04 42:56

Carol King. Yeah. It's actually really good. It was uh it's all in tapestry uh remastered. Uh awesome.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

It's the last track because it's super long. It's on the B side.

SPEAKER_04 43:06

Yeah, it's like a hidden one. I don't like at the end of Nevermind. Um okay, so um Do you want me to give a little summary of the book? Yeah, let's do a summary. We'll do it like we did the interval.

SPEAKER_01 43:17

It's okay to do spoilers.

SPEAKER_04 43:19

Yeah, we're spoiling this book, guys.

SPEAKER_01 43:22

It's it was written.

SPEAKER_04 43:23

This is a kid's book. I this came up, by the way. Oh, oh, you in the book. I asked Leslie.

SPEAKER_01 43:30

That's me.

SPEAKER_04 43:31

That's her.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

His name is Rob. I thought we were introduced ourselves as well.

SPEAKER_04 43:35

I'm Rob.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

And I'm Leslie.

SPEAKER_04 43:37

I said meet you.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

You should kiss my hand. That's what a gentleman would do for a oh, how about this? Ew.

unknown 43:45

God.

SPEAKER_04 43:46

That's from uh PCU.

SPEAKER_01 43:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 43:48

You ever seen that? No. George Clinton. There's some girl like does that for him to k any you know George Clinton?

SPEAKER_01 43:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:55

And he licks her hand. It's uh pretty epic.

SPEAKER_01 43:58

Okay. So we were talking to me about I saw George Clinton one time.

SPEAKER_04 44:02

Anyways. Um, so uh I said, I don't remember the context. I think I might have just came out cold and S you this. How would your life change if for a month you were at the Dollhouse Murders every day? What would be different about your life?

SPEAKER_01 44:20

I'd probably be getting up a lot earlier because I would probably be trying to How fast can you read that book? I read that book in 30 minutes. Lickety split time. Lickety split. I read most of it when Clark was at his haircut the other day, if that tells you anything.

SPEAKER_04 44:34

It's about a three-hour and fifteen minute listen if you are listening at one and a quarter speed.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

So the summary is this girl has a sister with some developmental delays.

SPEAKER_04 44:47

Should we get into that right now?

SPEAKER_01 44:48

Well, hold on. Okay. And she's kind of always stuck taking care of her, and she gets the opportunity to go stay with her aunt for a few days. Family drama is real.

SPEAKER_04 44:58

Aunt Claire.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

And while she's there with her Aunt Claire, she discovers the dollhouse in the attic. Then she discovers that her great grandparents had been murdered, and then the dollhouse starts inexplicably acting out the murders.

SPEAKER_04 45:16

Yeah. And then hilarity ensues.

SPEAKER_01 45:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:22

It's uh Go ahead. Do we want to just go beat by beat? Do you have it? Do you have it down that well? While you're doing that, I'm going to look uh well while you get started. I'm gonna look up something because I was curious, like this this dollhouse is a is an incredible um incredibly detailed. And I was just curious if if such a thing Oh yeah exists.

SPEAKER_01 45:51

Yeah, yeah. Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 45:52

Have you seen them?

SPEAKER_01 45:53

Oh my gosh, are you kidding?

SPEAKER_04 45:55

Like that detail the way they describe it, where they're like forks individually, and really uh this is the theme of the podcast is you don't spend a lot of time on social media.

SPEAKER_02 46:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 46:07

Right now, people are going bananas for remodeling doll houses. Oh my gosh. And the market for miniatures is a good one.

SPEAKER_02 46:16

We need another war.

unknown 46:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:18

The market for miniatures is booming. So if you could I know that you are not capable of this, but if you are able to make things like teeny tiny little forks, you could make a lot of money. Go on, Etsy. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 46:33

Well, have you heard of the nutshell studies of unexplained death?

SPEAKER_01 46:36

No. Oh, do they do they have like little dioramas in nut in wall nutshells?

SPEAKER_04 46:42

This person, um Frances Glessner Lee, who was born in like 1870.

SPEAKER_01 46:46

I've heard of the I've seen the nutshells with little scenes in them.

SPEAKER_04 46:48

Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, look at these freaking things. And they're murders, like actual murders. Oh my gosh. And she she used like a forensic something or other, like the legitimate. What came first?

SPEAKER_01 46:58

The dollhouse murders or the nutshell murders?

SPEAKER_04 47:00

The nutshell um Do you think Betty Ren Wright's Smithsonian for a while, though? Do you think Betty Ren Wright is a uh was influenced by I bet she's yeah, I think she's like Frances Scott Key. Frances uh San Earl of Sandwich. Um Frances Glesner Lee.

SPEAKER_01 47:18

Oh, I was close.

SPEAKER_04 47:19

She's uh dead. She died in 1962.

SPEAKER_01 47:22

She can write it on a walnut shell.

SPEAKER_04 47:24

On a wall oh that's not bad. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

So anyway, I think it's a great book for what it is.

SPEAKER_04 47:35

My friend, I thought it was gonna suck.

SPEAKER_03 47:37

I was like, uh, this isn't pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 47:39

My friend, my good friend asked me if I liked it or if it was a kid's book. And I was like, well, it is a kid's book, but kind of in the way that things for kids from the 80s don't feel like they should be for children now. Because there's a lot of adult themes in that book.

SPEAKER_04 47:53

Yeah, there kind of are. Like the There's a lot of breeding.

SPEAKER_01 47:57

There's no breeding. There's no breeding, guys. Um just dolls and family angst. So you talk about it now.

SPEAKER_04 48:08

Well, I I it'd been forever. I mean, again, I knew I had consumed it before.

SPEAKER_01 48:13

Um and did it feel nostalgic when you were reading it?

SPEAKER_04 48:16

It did a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 48:17

Like echo chamber in your head, kinda.

SPEAKER_04 48:19

Yeah, I liked all of like generic references to like stores like the fabric store or the freaking florist in the beginning. That guy's a jerk.

SPEAKER_01 48:27

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:28

Yelling at her uh sister. What's the her name's Luann? Lou Ann. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:34

The main character's Amy. Luann is the sister, the house. Ellen is her best friend. Lynn's her friend. Claire's the ma aunt. Aunt Claire's aunt. And the mom and dad don't have names.

SPEAKER_04 48:44

Tom.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

Oh, he has a name. Does she have a name?

SPEAKER_04 48:47

Tom is a no. Tom is Aunt Claire's deceased boyfriend. Alcoholic. Um sounds like a horrible guy.

SPEAKER_01 48:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:54

I don't want to jump straight to the end, but but in the end he didn't have anything to do with it.

SPEAKER_01 48:59

Unless I missed something.

SPEAKER_04 49:00

No, he didn't.

SPEAKER_01 49:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 49:02

Okay. The way it ended was weird to me. Maybe, okay, I've never had anybody, fortunately, I've I realize a lot of people have, so I'm not even kidding around, but I've never had anybody get. I never well, I don't know if that's true, actually. Basically, no one super, super close to me has ever been murdered. And uh I what?

SPEAKER_01 49:27

Oh like the hesitation now. I'm like trying to think of my own.

SPEAKER_04 49:30

Well, I mean unfortunately I know a couple murderers.

SPEAKER_01 49:33

Oh, right. But um I actually know a lot of murderers.

SPEAKER_04 49:37

Yeah, it's true. You know a whole you do. You got a whole you got a whole crew. You could you could have uh you could you could do a Joe Cocker tour with them, probably you get enough to can they sing? You would know. You've played music with probably more murderers than freaking uh Spice One has.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

Well Sugnight. Well, for the most part, everyone is around.

SPEAKER_04 49:59

She's a music therapist, by the way, who worked in the psychiatric security forensic, yeah, psych hospital.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

Everyone is very average with musical skills. Most people are a little bit musical.

SPEAKER_04 50:11

Yeah, oh, that's beautiful. Like that.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

So anyway.

SPEAKER_04 50:15

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:16

So the book opens up.

SPEAKER_04 50:18

What was I gonna say? Well, you were Oh, yeah, the guy was just Tom was a total jerk. Like she was?

SPEAKER_01 50:24

Oh no the boyfriend.

SPEAKER_04 50:25

Yeah, the yeah, the florist was too. But the boyfriend, her her ex-boyfriend, who they she was gonna marry.

SPEAKER_01 50:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:31

And who she thought the entire book killed her grandparents.

SPEAKER_01 50:34

But didn't.

SPEAKER_04 50:35

But didn't.

SPEAKER_01 50:36

So they sh when when Aunt Claire was a child. Okay. Let's back up.

SPEAKER_04 50:40

We going through this whole thing? We doing that a little bit. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 50:44

But when Aunt Claire, because some of it reminds me of the things that I wanted to talk about because I've kind of forgotten what I wanted to say.

SPEAKER_04 50:50

I meant to wear I'm sorry, I meant to wear a s a shirt today for the YouTube viewers.

SPEAKER_01 50:54

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 50:55

My my I Love Pizza and Pizza Loves Me shirt.

SPEAKER_01 51:00

I forgot about how you had that shirt.

SPEAKER_04 51:02

Pizza's featured heavily in the book.

SPEAKER_01 51:04

It is.

SPEAKER_04 51:04

They make it How long does it take them to make it? Like a week? I feel like they were working on the pizza forever. Maybe I was eating maybe distracting.

SPEAKER_01 51:11

You missed something because it was like a slumber party and only one person spent the night.

SPEAKER_04 51:15

I feel like they were cutting up vegetables like the night before or something. Well, the party, in my mind, the party Aunt Claire's like, I'm such a good I'm like the pizza freaking master. And and then she makes all the kids do all the work.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

Okay. How about the relationship between Claire and then Amy's mom? And like how nasty Aunt Claire is.

SPEAKER_04 51:33

Yeah, is that kind of the adult stuff you're talking about? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:36

And like how like their sister-in-laws, and like the aunt is like basically criticizing the way they're raising Luann at every turn. And then she's always like, Well, I shouldn't say that. Like, well, you just said it 50 times.

SPEAKER_04 51:49

Yeah, you keep saying it. You think else you shouldn't say that you're going to say it 15 minutes ago.

SPEAKER_01 51:54

But she never had a family. She's never been married, had to raise children.

SPEAKER_04 51:59

She's had a rough, she's had a rough go. She couldn't hold a job down. That was another kind of adult thing. It's just like she just keeps it.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

And there was something else that was pretty adult in there. I can't. Let me see if I can find it.

SPEAKER_04 52:09

I kind of, you know, shout out to Mary Lou Renner or whatever her name is. What's her name? What's the uh Betty Wren Wright? Betty Wren Wright. I can't say that. Yeah. No wonder my brain won't digest it. It's a tongue twister of an author.

SPEAKER_01 52:25

Um Well, it's just like it's very 80s. It's very it feels very 80s the way that you're reading a kid's book, but it's like somehow also about like I don't know, some pretty heavy stuff. Maybe we ought to bring some things like that back to our world so people could have a little more gravitas.

SPEAKER_04 52:42

I haven't read like a contemporary children's book in quite a bit. Is it are they not that does that sort of content not exist anymore?

SPEAKER_01 52:52

I don't know. Like, think about an 80s movie. Like, remember that whole thing that went around that was like during COVID, especially, when you're like, oh, we watched this when we were kids, and then you turn it on, you're like, whoa.

SPEAKER_04 53:02

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:03

That's the feeling I get from it.

SPEAKER_04 53:04

So it's pre-PG-13.

SPEAKER_01 53:06

Yeah, that's the feeling I get from this book. And I don't think like there's a real genre for that now. There's not a lot of thing content being made in that space. It's either like really sweet Toy Story Pixar Bluey type stuff, which has adult themes, but it's like Or like Harry Potter. Yeah. Or it's super bad. Like the movie Super Bad.

SPEAKER_04 53:30

The movie Super Bad? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:31

And it's like there's no like Goonies.

SPEAKER_04 53:35

Yeah. Uh 8mm. Shoot, no, not 8mm. That's uh definitely not a kid's I don't know. I mean, it depends on your kids, I guess. But um what's the what's the movie? What's the movie that was uh it was that Alien?

SPEAKER_01 53:49

Yeah, that where where they filmed it.

SPEAKER_04 53:51

Gosh, it it wasn't eight millimeter, but it was something like like Super Super Super Eight? Super Eight, that was it. That was kind of that kind of had that sort of same spirit to it. Anyways, um one thing I liked about I'm all over the place. But do you have some you got something on deck?

SPEAKER_01 54:08

Go ahead. Go ahead and talk. I have some on deck.

Ghost Logic, Footsteps, And Microfiche

SPEAKER_04 54:10

Well, I just like we were talking about uh in our nostalgia episode uh a couple weeks ago. We were talking about just you know, just running out of the house and staying out till till dark. Oh yeah. I love that I love that like what are you guys gonna do today? Well, we're gonna ride our bikes to a cliff, to yeah, and we're gonna have a picnic, and it's not like there was never any need to say, she didn't even say be careful or oh wow, you guys are going by yourself. You know, yeah. It's just like that's that's what you do. But I love that that that's a commentary on at the time, Mary Lou Henner, or whoever wrote it again, Mary who Betty Renwright. Just but the author. She uh she said, or she like at the time in 1983, it's just like you don't have to explain it's not a special situation every kid.

SPEAKER_01 55:03

It's also very 80s just in the storytelling because of what was culturally relevant. Yeah, I kind of like that.

SPEAKER_04 55:07

I enjoyed that. Uh what were we gonna say there?

SPEAKER_01 55:10

Well, it talks some about some of the adult themes that are like in the background. Uh generational guilt and inherited pain. Like it is like kind of heavy. Like the adults.

SPEAKER_04 55:23

Well, pretty old testament stuff.

SPEAKER_01 55:25

Well, in the adults are actually like they're not like goofy fun parents.

SPEAKER_04 55:30

No, they're all called. They're all kind of broken.

SPEAKER_01 55:33

Yeah, and even though the ant's the cool ant, they're all like kind of nasty to each other. They're not like I remember my sister saying that like her kids were like asking him like, how come these movies in the 80s, why are the kids and the parents so mean to each other? And my sister was like, Well, in the 80s parents and kids weren't friends with each other.

SPEAKER_03 55:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:52

Um, which I do think is kind of interesting because in that book, like, it's like very us versus them. The you know, the daughter, it's like no one cares what she wants.

SPEAKER_04 56:02

Yeah, they actually kind of didn't care.

SPEAKER_01 56:04

No. Like they were like she you can still help us take care of it.

SPEAKER_04 56:08

Like, oh, parents kind of suck.

SPEAKER_01 56:10

Yeah. Very short-sighted and narrow-minded. I didn't I don't like her mother.

SPEAKER_04 56:16

No, her mom sucks. I wrote I put in my notes that she's a that she's a B. Even though she, you know, she kind of comes around a little bit, but but but does she? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 56:26

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 56:28

Yeah. She's she she she does. She's a little redemptive quality at the end.

SPEAKER_01 56:33

I guess so. When she says, we hope you come home or something like that. Yeah, no. Or like, how about when when they like have to she's gonna have Amy's gonna have a birthday party and then she shows up and leaves her sister there. Yeah. She was supposed to be without her.

SPEAKER_04 56:47

Cold blooded.

SPEAKER_01 56:47

But then she's gonna be able to get a big thing. I know she's helping a friend, and it was like Amy was like, I think this was a lot.

SPEAKER_04 56:51

I love that she just jumps straight to yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

I was like, oh that felt pretty adult to me. Like I can't imagine. I I can't imagine our kids thinking that.

SPEAKER_02 57:01

No.

SPEAKER_01 57:01

They would be like, oh, someone's sick? You said someone was sick? Okay, they must be sick.

SPEAKER_04 57:05

Like Yeah, okay, yeah, people get sick. Yeah, seems reasonable.

SPEAKER_01 57:10

Did you think it was scary? Can you remember the name scary?

SPEAKER_04 57:14

I definitely remember being glad that I was with other people, to your point. Yeah. When we were when I ingested it the first time.

SPEAKER_01 57:24

That is the magic of Toy Story, is like they brought a movie to life where every kid ever has always imagined that their toys move around when they're not in there. Mm-hmm. And the dollhouse excuse me, the dolls are moving around when she's not in there, and then she's getting in trouble with her aunt, who's like, You moved them again.

SPEAKER_04 57:39

You know I hate stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 57:40

Oh, I thought of you. And she was like, I didn't see it.

SPEAKER_04 57:43

Somebody's being falsely accused of something, and they're just like, whatever, you expect me to believe that grow up, you know, that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 57:49

Well, in this case, though.

SPEAKER_04 57:50

Yeah, it is actually she's got a point. The dolls were moving around by themselves, and I just love how like But I but but but the aunt later, you she it's kind of revealed that she's just like, oh yeah, okay, it could be, you know.

SPEAKER_01 58:02

Yeah, and they're all cool with it.

SPEAKER_04 58:03

Yeah, so I don't they're they're just it's a messed up family.

SPEAKER_01 58:08

It is. It is, it's a very broken.

SPEAKER_04 58:11

Uh don't murder somebody's parents. It screws up the generations to come.

SPEAKER_01 58:18

Yeah, and I also do feel like that the murderer kind of came out of like they set us up to think that it was the boyfriend, of course. And then it's like, oh, it was just this person who wasn't even a character in the story the entire time. I don't like that language.

SPEAKER_04 58:34

I well I didn't say I hate it. I mean it can it can be done well.

SPEAKER_01 58:37

Um You know what that's called? What?

SPEAKER_04 58:39

I think that's called Deus Ex Machina. When basically the hand of God comes down and just makes something happen that was never explained before. Um I love the part about it. One of my greatest favorite RPGs of all time. Anyways, continue.

SPEAKER_01 58:53

I love it, because like in the dollhouse, as the murderer is progressing and the dolls are moving around, the grandma goes to the library and puts and is like touching this book. And so then they go to the real library and get that book out, and then there's a note where she basically said who the murderer was. Um I loved that. I don't know why it had to be some random gardener who Reuben? Like, why couldn't he have like featured in any stories at all?

SPEAKER_04 59:18

Yeah. And then the and then when the when the uh when you have a lot of we love this book and we're just gonna crap on it the whole time. Well that's what we do. Yeah, that's what we do. Audience won't like it.

SPEAKER_01 59:26

Um I enjoyed reading it, Betty Wren.

SPEAKER_04 59:29

Yeah, it was fine. She's dead.

SPEAKER_01 59:30

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 59:31

She can be in our show. She can uh she can come on a little miniature anything. Um Fork. Who's the shortest other dead person we have?

SPEAKER_01 59:40

I bet Kitty Wells was short.

SPEAKER_04 59:42

She probably would. She can ride write in on Kitty Wells.

SPEAKER_01 59:45

Not no Kitty Wells Would Kitty Wells ride her in and then go back and get her own thing and ride in on that?

SPEAKER_04 59:50

Yeah, Katie Wells is helping out. Okay. She's helping out. Yeah. Good job, Kitty.

SPEAKER_01 59:55

We gotta redeem.

SPEAKER_04 59:57

She's yeah This is her ghost.

SPEAKER_01 59:59

Yeah. I'm gonna have the kids read it. Well, I know Clark will never read it, but I want Carolina to read it.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:11

Finally read in his game.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:12

I know. And he wrote a book report out and got 90 on it. He felt good about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:16

Okay. Not bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:18

Um that's my favorite book, everyone.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:21

What uh I cut you off, I think. What were you about to say?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:27

Oh, I know what I was gonna say. It was what I was gonna say, not what you were gonna say. I don't care. We were talking about Deus Ex Machine now.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:34

Uh-huh. Oh, right, Ruben.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:36

Yeah, Ruben. Um, oh, a couple I was gonna say a couple things. Well, one, kind of back to the storytelling. You have that, I don't know if a trope would be the right word, but you have where well, correct me if I'm wrong. The way I interpreted this was I know that we're supposed to believe that like the great grandma's ghost was sort of orchestrating this whole thing, but she kind of plays it out like it's uh like it's on a pro like it's on a real like she's moving through the steps. Yeah, and it kind of reminded me of like the Sixth Sense, maybe where like the ghosts kind of just live how they died, regardless of how the fact that they're not alive anymore. Yeah, or how like in Harry Potter, how he goes back and like sees uh what's the guy's name? But interacting with Doubledor back in like years and years ago. Like the how it's just he's he's sort of like a fly on the wall, but this this scene's gonna play out regardless of how yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:37

I think too though that she had to walk through it to get the attention of Amy.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:41

Okay, yeah, probably. Like she's not just up there when nobody's watching.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:46

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

Maybe she is. I mean, they definitely move things around when nobody was watching.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:51

I love how they give the dollhouse to Luann, and Luann's like, cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:55

She loved it.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:56

Luann is only scared of the thunderstorm.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:57

Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:58

Like that was it's just like there was a freaking ghost moving dolls around, reenacting a murder scene.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:08

Crying.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:09

Crying. I mean, Luann is a freaking.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:12

We've been thinking, and we'd like to give this dollhouse to your daughter.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:16

Luann's like, cool. I want that. Totally fine. No thunder? Yeah, it's fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:20

No freaking and the dolls are all made, they were all made to look like the real people.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:27

So that's even creepier. The grandma and the grandpa, and then Aunt Claire and her brother, which is the dad of Amy.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:32

What about the footsteps? That whole thing. Where they can hear like a man's footsteps.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:37

That was the murderer.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:38

I know, but like, so you have to give me chills. Yeah, well, that was the one part of the story that actually. I mean, I wasn't scared, but I was actually like, that's pretty freaky. Like, if I was a kid, that would have freaked. Because you have now once I've gotten through the whole doll thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:54

Things were changing in the dollhouse.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:56

Now you have actual like man's footsteps, like real weight, loud.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:01

Lou Ann's like, yes, I want this dollhouse in my bedroom.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:05

I love how Anne Claire also knows. Like, I think at this point she's kind of on board that it happened, that it was a you know, a haunting or poultry geist or whatever you want to call it.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:15

Poultry geist.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:16

Poultry. Gordon, uh Gordon Lightfoot's rooster.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:20

What about him?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:22

Um that was another. Um But she she knows she knows that it was a you know a freaking uh what's the word? I don't know. Just a haunting. It's a possessed dollhouse.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:40

And she's like, but I'm gonna give this to you.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:42

But I guess now that we got the the the you know the message received, uh everybody's like at peace now.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:48

Yeah, I guess. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:51

Maybe they'll stick around and like uh interact with Luann. Was that her name?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:57

Luann, yeah, yeah. She so they keep saying they say she was brain damaged. Do you think this is like a congenital condition, or do you think like she got uh bitten by a rattlesnake or something? Poison or like she she was fast, she's running through the woods playing tackle football or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:22

When I was listening to it originally, uh when I was reading it as a kid, I just always assumed she had Down syndrome.

Dolls, Twilight Zone, And Real-Life Haunts

SPEAKER_04 1:04:28

Okay. But there's nothing really that indicates No, there's not as an adult.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:31

There's not, and I was thinking maybe like at birth she had like lack of oxygen or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:36

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. Uh they don't I guess they didn't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:41

Was there no physical description of her? Because I had my brain that there's a physical description.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:45

She's like she's basically like an athlete. But you talk about how fast she is and she's big and strong. And like uh they were playing, they were playing some.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:56

Well, they were running to the picnic.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:58

Is that what it was? Yeah. Oh, she beat everybody. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

unknown 1:05:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:02

There's some nice acceptance. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:05

Well, that's that's uh some of the other some of the other adult themes that definitely stood out was caregiver burnout.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:11

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:12

Like the family having to always be around for her. Um Denial and family secrets, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:23

Justice and truth versus reputation. Especially in small towns.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:29

Yeah. Have you ever gone into a library and looked at um Microfield?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:35

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:35

Really?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:36

Are you serious?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:37

When?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:37

Well, I mean, we did it as a field trip. Like learned how we left maybe I did that away we went to the library a couple times in elementary school and then they taught us how to use that. But then I also used it for probably seventh or eighth grade history class. I probably went to I went to the library for like a project.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:54

Have you ever done it just for fun? You ever just like walk into Bostard and be like, I need to see the in the 19th century.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

What's our friend's name, Amber? We should have her hook us up.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:02

Yeah?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:03

Mm-hmm. What's our friend's name? Amber? I knew her name. I don't know why I said it like that. I could I think she likes literary RB.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:10

Talk to Nick. He he worked at Bostard for a while. I I am gonna ask him tomorrow. You should. I'm gonna be like, hey man, tell me about Microfiche. What what what what kind of stuff you got on there?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:19

What was he a librarian? Does he have a degree in library science?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:22

No, computer science. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:24

He just keeps ending up in libraries.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:26

He just loves libraries.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:27

Does he call it library?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:28

He does. He said it's like buddy. How long do you work there?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:31

Can you read?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:32

Do you have a look at the sign? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:37

Only zeros and ones.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:41

What uh what else what else struck you from this struck you about this book? How was the 15th read?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:49

Well, it almost came back to you, didn't it? Yeah, it it really evokes a feeling. It really brought me back to the van ride down to the keys. Because I'm pretty sure that's where I read it most of the time. Honestly, I would check out books that I thought were gonna be scary for car rides because I would be it would be bright and sunny middle of the day and I'd be in the car with my family.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:09

And you do it because you kind of had an interest in the in the book, but you knew you couldn't read it by yourself.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:14

Yeah, like to read it before bed or something.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:15

Is it anywhere is it as good or is it how different is it from like an R. L. Stein book? Like Goose Cardinals.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:22

I think it's way better than an R. L. Stein book book. He his books are great, but they're super formulaic. This one is a bit more of a family. It has a little more depth. Sorry, R.

unknown 1:07:34

L. Stein.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:35

It's a bit more of like a drama.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:36

Yeah, it has more depth. There's more going on with the family relationships.

unknown 1:07:40

R.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:41

L. Stein's stories are about the about the horror that they're about.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:45

This is a bit more not a lot of character development.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:48

It's more like pulpy kinda.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:50

This is more about like uh probably the reason I stopped watching The Walking Dead once it quit being about zombies and more about the human hauntings though freak me out. Like ghosts and dolls.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:04

Really?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:05

Yeah. It's like the only thing. Well, I don't they don't I don't actively freak me out anymore, but like if if I were to pick a genre of horror or scary or whatever that that scares me the most, it's it's ghosts and dolls when I was a kid, they don't freak me out anymore. But but um I was absolutely terrified of dolls. Like my my parents got that ventriloqu. So I used to watch the Twilight Zone as a kid and like the the original and that ventriloquist dummy with oh my freaking dude. Or that the the little doll, the you know, the I can't remember the Can you remind me what the ventriloquist dummy would do?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:47

Would he like take over?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:48

He like assimilated somehow. They somehow switched, he like possessed the the ventriloquist, and at the very end of it, I'm pretty sure the man, the ventriloquist, was the dummy. The the dummy formerly known as the ventriloquist man.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:06

Motorcycle people who will be in R.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:09

Okay, I got it. Uh Betty uh Ren Wright can write in on the ventriloquist man. Dummy. The dummy known formerly known as the ventriloquist man. Ventriloquist man. Yeah. Okay, good. We've got that squared away. Kitty Wells, take a break. You get the night off.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:27

Your self-sacrificing service is.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:29

I appreciate what you did, though. Yeah, she would have done it. She would have done it without even complaining at all.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:33

She was already doing it. We had to stop her.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:35

That's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:36

Take a break, Kitty.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:38

Kitty. So um, yeah, it ends with I think the dummy is is is now the man, the petrol crisis man. Yeah, they flip.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:48

Um I didn't know you were that. Not that you sit around being scared of ghosts, but I didn't actually know you had that much.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:54

I don't think you know how scared I was of every night when I went to bed, I was terrified.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:02

So was I.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:04

Yeah. I just anyways, uh, but dolls, if there was a doll, like when we go stay at like, you know, a family member's house that you like my Aunt Kathleen or something. Like, I'd never been to her house before. Like even if all everywhere. There's a whole room full of dolls, and just like, oh bye, God. It'd be I mean, it's the same kind of reaction of like walking in, like, one of the Chipotle bathroom yesterday, and it was just like a freaking literal S show. Are you? Just the biggest turd I've ever seen in my life, just like hanging out the it's just it's just like a shocking.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:42

Like how does that I just I don't want to I don't want to see it happen, but I want to know how something like that happens.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:49

Um and I wasn't scared of that. I could still sleep last night, but but it it just it's just jolting, right? So it's walking by if you know 11 years old or whatever and walking into a room full of dolls.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:02

They're all like, hello their heads snapping away.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:06

Even like a painting that looked kind of creepy, like a like a Norman Rockwell painting.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:12

Scared the piss out of me.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:14

Well, those are a little, sure. They're a little unnerving because they're like almost realistic, but their face is like a little bit of a lot of things.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:23

Um they're very character, caricaturized. Yeah. Is that a word?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:27

But even the Mona Lisa freaked me out. I just I was scared of everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:31

How did you get that way?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:32

Um, well, my parents, um, no, I I think it would have been this way anyway. But my parents got a they got a ventriloquist tummy, like a real one. I don't remember where they got it. But they we went from under your back. It was in the house. I was already pretty uneasy.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:49

How old were you?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:50

Uh it was when we were living in Glendora, so I was like seven.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:57

Oh my gosh, that's only six?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:00

Maybe I was six.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:01

Oh, okay. Yeah, it's fine.

Back To The Roots: History And Fallon Era

SPEAKER_04 1:12:02

Yeah, it's fine. Because my brother, my brother was of, he was uh he was a talking baby. Uh-huh. Yeah. So he was old enough that we we were able to kind of communicate. So my parents moved the uh we went to bed and the dummy was like, I don't know, one corner of the room. When we came down the next day, then the next morning, the dummy had been, he's in a different room. And Joe and I are like, and my my my parents tell the story where they were like listening to us.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:30

Oh my god. Like talking, like, wasn't he, did he move in the can't believe your mom didn't feel horrible.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:37

Oh, she did. She's gonna listen to this, she will.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:39

She's gonna feel bad now, Terry. Terry Hart.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:41

You ruined my life. I could barely even read my Benny Wren Wrights.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:46

Did Benny Wren Wright ever write any other books?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:48

She did. Uh like I don't I never read any of them, but I looked it up. She read like The Goat Christina's Ghost or something. It's a lot of ghost stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:56

I thought you said goat. Ghost Christina's goat.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:59

Still kind of freaked me out a little bit. Not to the point, like I lived apparently in a haunted house, the guy who lived there before me on King Avenue.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:06

Oh, right, yeah. That was weird. That was a weird.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:09

The people, like when I my first night there, I was by myself.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:11

Keith.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:12

Yeah, Keith. Shout out to Keith. He'll be there. He's a piano player.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:15

Oh my gosh, he's gonna play for us.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:18

Keith. Uh the the folks next to me is like a town guy. Yes, he did. And uh they're like, you know what's on it? Yeah, Keith used to live here. He was great, he played the piano. We still hear him sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:30

Keith Bodewe.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:31

Keith Bode. Good name drop. Proud of you. Purple squirt.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:38

All right. So I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:41

If you know if I'm not gonna be the guardrails, who's going to be don't know, now you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:45

Anyway. So don't Google that. Um actually go ahead. I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:50

We'll never know. You won't like it. Tell you that right now. Continue on with Keith.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:57

So yeah, I it's just like, okay, well, I'm living here. I mean, I gotta make peace with Keith. Yeah, and I I never heard a single thing. They said they hear him all the time. He'd be walking around and like I'm and I'm you know, I'm just like, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:12

Thanks.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:12

Great, you know. You're like, you guys got any dolls around I can play with? But never never had a never had a Keith sighting, never heard him playing the piano. I never even asked them, like, hey, since I've been living here, have you heard Keith anymore? You freaking jerks.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:27

What were their names?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:29

Rick and Sandy.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:31

Oh my gosh. And they remember they killed their dog.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:35

Yeah. Yeah, we can talk about this. There's no way they will never listen to this. I guess I don't care that much. I don't know anything bad. Yeah, this all happened.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:45

It's all tragedy.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:46

Yeah, they killed their dog.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:47

Accidentally.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:48

I killed our cat.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:49

Accidentally. Please qualify it.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:52

Yeah, accidentally. Well, speaking of that, so the way remember how like cold-blooded Caroline was about it? Yeah. She's like, Oh, isn't that mommy's cat? That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:02

That's fine.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:02

Um I kind of felt that way about Aunt Claire a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:08

When you hit her with a car in the garage.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:11

She shouldn't have been there. Um put a bell on that woman.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:15

She'll move.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:16

Yeah. So the uh no, when she's like, Oh, you mean it's not my fault that my grandparents got murdered? Oh, it's fine that Raymond, whoever that is, killed me. Yeah, I feel good about this. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:29

And I'm not even gonna tell any of the authorities. Let's not tell the authorities.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:32

Yeah, no, don't worry about justice. I mean, I know he was dead, but still. Like, it's kind of a big deal, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:38

Like, what how does she know that there are like four cult cases? Open cult cases. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:42

You know, player, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:44

Betty.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:46

Well, but 80s were different. Maybe they were.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:48

They were uh what do you call it when like uh never mind, never mind.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:53

I feel like we've been talking for eight. Okay, so the roots. Can you see how long we've got it? We're wrapping up.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:00

Yeah. We're gonna talk about the roots. We're not wrapping up, we're getting started.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:03

Oh gosh, I need a nap.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:09

This is a music podcast with a dabble, a dabble with 75% of it being about another topic that has nothing to do with the music. Do we want to say anything else about the dollhouse murder?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:23

No, read it. It's a great nostalgic throwback. You'll feel you'll love it.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:28

Um uh attention, uh, concert goers. The doors will open in 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:35

Swinging out.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:38

Oh, hey, oh, the oh, that's right. I forgot. Okay. I forgot we have our uh discussion of the dollhouse birds that I forgot why we were even here to see the roots play. The Philadelphia Eagles?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:56

Is that what they are?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:57

No, they're the Roots. Oh that's a that's a football team. There.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:00

Oh, I thought maybe it was like segue into sports corner.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:03

Oh, we go in there? That'll that won't last very long. I'll go about as far as Ford versus Ferrari. No, I know some I know some sports.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:11

Okay, thanks for letting us know.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:13

But mainly centers around NBA jam. NFL books, technical super bowl.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:21

Mine mainly surrounds marking band.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:24

No, I do like I like I uh I'd watch the NBA if I I used to watch it all the time. Like NBI.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:30

I'd watch it if I used to watch it all the time. You did actually. That's the sentence you just said.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:36

Yeah, I know. Well, we we can't even get it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:38

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:39

Anyways, whatever. So the roots. Philly? From Philadelphia.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:43

Okay, that's what you were gonna say.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:44

Formed in I don't even know when. I want to say I'm gonna guess the late 80s.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:50

Okay. Should I should I fact check you? I'm going to, because you're gonna talk and I'm gonna listen.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:56

I I uh what was your what's your experience with what's your experience with the roots and or the next movement, other than Jimmy Fallon?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:05

You want me to talk about when we did it in college?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:08

Okay. So I'd never heard of the roots before. And we had friend the wangle. He had a band called The Bendles.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:17

Shout out to Johnny D.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:18

Aww.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:19

Rest in peace. Johnny D's gonna be there.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:21

Oh my gosh!

SPEAKER_04 1:18:22

We have a lot of keyboard players. Yeah, Keith and Johnny D are gonna Yeah, our buddy uh Johnny, who's the keyboard player, he passed away.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:31

Uh oh, he was the best. Umway, so they did you guys did the next movement by the roots, and you were the rapist.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:40

I was the bla I was black fault.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:41

Oh, is that the name of the rapist?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:43

The rapist, yes. I like it, I like what you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:49

Um, and so you guys had Megan and me singing.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:53

Yeah, you guys were the Jazz Fat Nasties.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:56

Oh wow, fat nasties?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:58

Jazz Fat Nasties, I think, were the the names of the plus on that track.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:02

So that was pretty much the only root song I really ever knew.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:06

And I had to look that up. I don't like walk around with the Jazz Fat Nasties in my in my head, although I will now, and they're wonderful vocalists.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:14

Um, so yeah, it was the Bendables. So what let's see, they had uh baseball.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:20

Were we at the Blue Gator?

Things Fall Apart And Why It Hits

SPEAKER_04 1:19:22

Yeah, we were upstairs. Every now and then, uh so like my best friend uh Dwango and my roommate, uh he he's a bass player and vocal vocals. He's also a great guitar player, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:34

Um they were founded in 87.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:37

87, okay. He would uh every now and then they would do a hip-hop cover. So we and then he would ask me to be like the MC.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:45

That's how we met. What were you rapping the night we met?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:48

That was a that was a mess.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:49

But what was it?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:50

Crumbling herb outcast. Okay. It was a mess because number one, I crammed for it. Like I knew the song really well, but there's it's a pretty rapid fire tune. I mean, I was like trying to fill in the blanks. I didn't have it down completely, Pat. And then in the hook, they use a word that I'm not allowed to say. And I was sitting there trying to figure out now, it'd just be a hard no. Yeah. Right. But at the time when I was a bit more ignorant.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:16

Did you say it?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:17

No, I didn't. But it all the whole time, but I I did not make up my mind on whether or not I was gonna say the N-word before I got up on stage.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:25

Oh crap. So you can't.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:26

So all I could think about was like, what am I gonna say? Because they're like, just say it, it's part of the song. Like you Ben Folds did it when he did, you know, uh, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:33

I like Ben Folds.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:34

Yeah. Have you ever heard his uh version of uh B's ain't S? No. Um it's it's it's gimmicky, but it whatever, it's fine. Um but I was just like, I don't want to get up and say that because you gotta say it a lot. It's part of the hook. It's right. Ends killing ends, you know. It's a sweet song. It's an awesome song. Anyways, I choked. I got up there, I said like the first line and just went completely blank. It was it was I'm glad you didn't see that. I'm glad you hadn't gotten there yet to the party. Like, aren't you the dude who just who was too chicken to say the N-word on stage?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:10

Can you imagine me saying that? Oh, sorry, everyone.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:15

Um anyways, I I it's probably good. I think uh I think I think God might have. I think there might have been some Deus Ex Machina happening in there. Hand of God reached me and was like, You don't get to talk at all today. Well, speaking of outcasts, we did Southern Playlist Cadillac Funky Music. That song is sick. We should do it on this.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:35

Uh we did G's and Hustlers. Now I will say from uh Snoop uh Doggy Style.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:41

Mm-hmm. Back to the Roots and my experience with the roots. Other than that, I absolutely think they're they're really good musicians.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:48

They're really good.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:49

Yeah. They're not just like laying down, you know, tracks.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:53

Well, at the uh sorry, continue.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:55

And and I did not know that, not that I would have had any reason to know because I never like listened to them or follow them at all, but they've been on Jimmy Found since 2009. Wow. I know, I just looked that up. I can't believe that.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:06

I mean, and Quest Love is like I don't know if he's the word genius gets thrown around a lot, but he's he's well, first of all, he's an excellent drummer. But he's also like a historian. Like he's like a music.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:19

Well, yeah, and it's I feel like the group is of way more dyno like make depth, it has a lot of depth in the words and like the actual musicianship of the professional. Everything's good.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:30

Blackfault is an incredible MC.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:32

And I just as as someone who gets asked to play songs I don't know very well, and you just bang your way through it. Like they I'm sure they practice, but like when Jimmy Found stuff, they just like they'll be like, sing it, sing this song and this person, like sing ABCs like Lady Gaga, and they'll just start playing. They're professionals, and it it's and I'm sure they have you know maybe put something together ahead of time, but you do that enough times you don't have to do that anymore. And it is always the best thing I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:02

Super tight. Yeah, they're all really good, and they all play just enough. They're just excellent.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:07

So they've all gotta be like in their 50s right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:09

Captain Kirk Douglas is the guitar player, he's sick.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:12

Do you think they're all like in their 50s and 60s?

SPEAKER_04 1:23:14

They've gotta be 87.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:16

Who would be their front man?

SPEAKER_04 1:23:18

Well, do they have Quest Love is probably like the most known and then probably he looks like I haven't seen him in forever, but he's always had like a no big fro.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:29

Big fro, kind of heavy set guy. Okay. Beard.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:32

Um that's not who I'm picturing right now, but continue.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:35

I don't I I have not, I mean, I haven't watched Jimmy Fallon. I mean, it's not like I've never seen the anything from it, but I think I follow him on YouTube and then any time. I seem to remember, I think the only thing I've ever seen is like the roots and maybe like James Headfeld from Metallica playing a kazoo or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:51

Do they have like a segment where they play with like and like the classroom instruments thing? That's that's what I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:57

That's fun. Yeah, that's fun. I mean, that's really fun, but even just like what their like real live music is really good. Um did you have a list of questions you wanted to go through?

SPEAKER_04 1:24:08

Well, the so um you you were talking about like the how big they are. Like they have like core members.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:16

But do they transfer people?

SPEAKER_04 1:24:17

They were part of like so the album that it's on, the the next movement's on. And the and the uh we never actually did it, but we we ran through it a few times. The uh You Got Me with Erica Baja.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:29

Yeah, I love Erica Badge.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:30

Yeah, we could do that song too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That whole album is really, really good. Uh Next Movement is probably not even my favorite song on there. Like I'd probably have to go with Dynamite or Double Trump. Uh Captain Kirk, uh, the guitar player, his tone is really, really nice.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:59

I'll have to listen to this album because I'm it's really good.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:02

Like, I highly, highly recommend it.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:04

Why didn't we ever sing that era about you song?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:06

Uh it just fell through. Like uh we're we had like a concept band going like Dwango wanted me to sing and you to sing. So we're with two vocalists, I think a sax or trumpet player and him on bass.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:21

Was it gonna be Clark? Our son.

unknown 1:25:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:24

I don't know. I don't think I ever met the guy. But I'm like, really? That's so two vocalists, a bass player, and a vocal. No. It was like right after college. I think we just got married.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:33

Gotcha. I remember this now.

Breaking Down The Next Movement

SPEAKER_04 1:25:35

And uh, anyways, it would have been interesting. Maybe there's a drummer too that was gonna sit in. I don't I don't know. It never happened. Would have been interesting to see.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:43

Where would our lives be now? If we'd been working on that and reading dollhouse murders every single day for a month.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:48

It'd be a busy, busy time.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:51

Someone would have to do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:52

Not to mention the where wouldn't we have time for breeding?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:55

Oh, no time for breeding.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:56

Good luck. Good luck, uh, we never would have start our family.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:59

Family.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:00

How did you say that?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:01

Family?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:02

Family.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:03

I think.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:06

Sounds like uh Fremulon.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:07

I feel like, yeah. I feel like this is a sign that I need a nap.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:11

What's well you'll take a nap. This is good. I like you get a little uh what do you call it? Uh slap happy.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:18

Mm-hmm. It's good for the podcast.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:19

Yeah, it's good for the podcast. It's good for the viewer, for the listener or the viewer.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:23

Um's probably like, wow, that girl is terrible posture.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:28

So we covered this song. Let's talk about let's talk about the song.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:32

The mechan, you know, the and and then the cover of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:35

Our cover of it.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:36

It's kind of a unique.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:38

I like it. I like the way it turned out.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:39

Yeah. Yeah. I did too. I'm proud of us. So I kind of like I sang it, sorta.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:46

Like more than it.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:48

I mean, I didn't sort of sing it. I sang it. Yeah, I sang it. It was this is kind of a stupid comparison, but the closest one thing I could come up with is like like Jack Johnson doing rodeo clowns or something. Kind of had I was s sort of going for that.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:03

I thought it sounded great.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:04

Thanks.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:04

Um because we don't have a percussion section, there's some good.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:08

I've kind of tried to keep the muting going on the guitar. I don't know if I can play it for the reasons of covering.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:15

You guys could just listen to it.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:16

Well, so I'm not gonna actually play it because I but just the chord progression.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:20

Who was the dad we were worried about? Ingrid Michelson's dad. We're not gonna play it, Mr. Michaelson.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:30

So I try to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:36

Yep. I got it. You should probably stop now because you never will.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:41

Okay. But then it does a you would you help me figure out that it was Phrygian. Part of it's Phrygian, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:49

Mm-hmm. So it's got that kind of like It's Phrygian in the what you consider those the verses, I guess. Although they sing some verses.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:02

So like that there, that's not probably Phrygian, but it's got like kind of like that.

unknown 1:28:07

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:08

Is it a leading tone?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:10

It's a half step. What's what's coming next? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:18

I wanted to play, I wanted to find a way to mix that.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:24

It's in C. Phrygian, for those of you who want to know.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:29

Right. Which I can play that because it's a Peruvian folk song.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:34

Oh, Simon and Garfunkel covered. It ain't copyrighted.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:38

I don't know. Actually, I'm assuming it is. I think anything is a folk song.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:41

Is one of them dead?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:43

No. Simon and Garfunkel? Yeah. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:46

Okay, so they can both become a cross.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:47

They're both alive. I know Paul Simon's still alive. They're not.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:50

Are they folk?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:51

I guess I don't know that for sure. I shouldn't judge him.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:53

Um yes, in I think it's in C. Phrygian. But during the chorus, which is not always the chorus.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:59

Right. It's a tricky tune to.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:05

It doesn't go like 8484. Like sometimes it's six and sometimes it's uh twelve.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:10

It's not you know, multiples are and I I part of me almost wonders like how much they had to go back and Well, I was gonna say you talk about like how they were able to just sp just go. Like I wonder how much of that was just like them feel of it. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:23

Well I was thinking of You got Jazzy Jeff on there too.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:26

We'll talk about that in a second.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:27

When I was saying that they had to go back, I'm wondering if they just recorded just their rap part, the rapping, you know, the core of it. Uh-huh. But then to add the girls in, because it's not it doesn't come at a natural time. It does once you know the song, but that's only because you know the song. But like to listen to it, you're like, wait, they already did that? I thought that was coming in the next bar or whatever. More of the O's.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:57

Oh, yeah, yeah. The Mary J part.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:59

Yeah. But that part it never comes exactly when I think it's going to. But now that I know it a lot better, now I know when it comes, but I literally had to sit down and like map it out in order to get it right. Yeah. It was not as intuitive as well. And I had to do it too to see when it goes from the which chord pattern because it's only two C minor to G or whatever it was.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:18

There's only two chord progressions. It's D flat to C minor, which you figured all that out. And then C minor to G major. And that is a leading tone to put you back in C minor. Makes you want to go back to C minor.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:33

So it's pretty simple, but it's kind of not.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:35

It's not, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:36

And you get the scratching of how do you feel about scratching?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:39

You mean like record earth?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:40

Yeah. Have you ever tried that?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:42

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:43

Try it. You'll have a lot more respect for old school uh DJs.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:47

That makes me hurt.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:49

Scratching? Record?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:50

Like, does it hurt the record?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:52

I yeah, I mean, I'm sure it probably does. Have you ever seen High School High? Like a rhinestone cowboy. You ever watch that?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:02

Uh-uh. I'm trying to sit here trying to think if I had.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:04

It's like a stupid parody. It's like a parody. It's John Lovitz. John Lovitz is the main character. And Tia and Tamara. And Tia and Tia and Tamara. No, the girl, the woman from uh the actress. There's the word. From Wayne's World.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:21

I don't know really. Carrera? Carrera? I think so. Carrera?

SPEAKER_04 1:31:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:25

Carrera Marble.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:28

Sierra Madre. Um, Jazzy Jeff's on there, which I think, I think I'm not going to do a full lyric analysis or anything, but I think what they're trying to do there is like kind of usher in the you know the next movement, if you will, of like kind of the old school roots. Because Jazzy Jeff, I believe, is a Philly guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:47

Are we talking about like DJ Jazzy Jeff?

SPEAKER_04 1:31:50

Like always getting thrown out of the out of the mansion by Uncle Phil. That's the one.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:54

The stuffed clothing dummy that gets thrown out the door.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:59

It never gets old. I love I love that show so much. That's his best show. It really is.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:04

We should do that one sometime.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:06

Just uh let's pick an episode. We should pick an episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:09

The one where he gets sad?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:10

The one where he's like, what, what, why, why doesn't he love me? Why does he want me?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:16

It's just like, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:19

Where's Dad Lee? Uh Uncle Phil steps up. I got chills.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:24

I've just done more for me in a dollhouse. Literally, my eyes were open.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:31

Good, you have a soul. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:33

Oh, did you just now know?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:34

I thought I was wondering.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:42

Anyway. Um Jazzy Jones.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:45

So what are what are they ushering in? Just kind of their own.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:49

Why is he on it?

Cover Mechanics: Modes, Grooves, And Oohs

SPEAKER_04 1:32:51

I I I think. Well, first of all, they have like a oh, what is it? The Solquarians? No, they uh so is that what it is? I'm I'm screwing it up. Basically, it's like a cohort of there's a lot of like Mostaff or Yassine Bey, or whatever his name is now. I don't know if I'm saying that right. Sorry, sir. Um who else? Common. Uh a lot a lot of folks who it kind of like um it was like this production cohort of of just big names in the music industry that kind of like like a native tongues kind of thing. Um anyways, they they would all sort of like work.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:38

Honestly, uh Are you gonna say something about the traveling Wheelberries?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:41

No, what I was actually gonna say was was more like in terms of today, the Tedeski trucks, Russell, uh Mad Dogs and Englishmen, uh Chris Robinson, yeah, what like all these folks just coming together to just make music make music. And I and I'm sure with the next movement, the next movement's very like it's very politically charged. Yeah, it's not you know whatever. They had some bit of an agenda, and I think it was well done. Um but like it's uh it's it's a meaningful album, it's not just talking about, you know, murder and motorcycle gangs.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:17

Right. Like I'm shallow, it's fine. Tell everyone it's I don't care. I'm happy with who I am.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:25

Except for I don't remember uh I don't think that actually answered your question, but what was the hardest part to pull? Like what was the tricky part for you?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:32

I never and I never did do it. No, I just never could get the the syncopated rhythm on the oo-ooos. I just had to go straight rhythm with my hand so I could get the oo-ooze at the right time.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:43

But I thought it sounded good. Yeah, I liked it. As you said, it was the I wanted to solo on it more. I just can't. I got a lot of I'm I'm okay playing.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:53

We clicked in there the when we went back to the at the end chords that go C, G, C.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:00

That was that was a cool held moment. I thought that's it.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:03

I thought that went pretty well. Um I wanted to solo more in between the breaks. I just can't. I'm either usually playing lead. Number one, not in Phrygian, like something a bit more you know, like Ionian.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:17

Yeah. Umxolydian, even.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:20

Yeah. Or heaven forbid, uh, Locrian.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:23

Oh no.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:23

Dorian, I'm all over Dorian.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:25

Yeah, Dorian's easy.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:26

Dorian's my jam. Ionian is the easiest. And Aale is Alien minor?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:30

It's the A, like it'd be like the A minor.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:32

Like i anyways, whatever. Um so you got Phrygian, and then I'm going back and forth between vocals, rhythm, and I just I'm just not good enough to do that. Maybe someday. So I thought you sounding like I really wanted to play more solo stuff, but whatever, it didn't work out. Thought it was fine. Cooper's whining. Whining. Cooper's a dog.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:54

I locked him in our bedroom.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:55

Oh, you did?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:56

Well, I didn't really mean to. I just as you say that, I'm thinking about how I did do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:00

That's why he keeps doing that. Okay. All right. Well, so lonely for us. So what uh let's talk about uh covers.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:08

Because we're cover we we're cover artists.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:11

Kind of like I like to think of us as like uh modern-day Joe Cocker.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:14

That's how I like to think of myself.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:15

Or Richie Havens.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:16

When I look in the mirror.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:18

You might have shade. Oh, garbage.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:20

You're looking at the mirror, you're brushing your teeth, you're like two faces everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:28

When I'm using my tongue scraper.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:31

You're like throwing up on the mirror. Look at a Chipotle bathroom.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:36

That's gonna be a good sound bite.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:39

So uh what uh who if you could uh if you could hear anybody cover the song, who would it be?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:45

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:46

Hey, I'm gonna let him out. Okay, I'll answer it and then I'll relax poetically about it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:53

Well, let's see. It would sure be fun to hear. You know what? I want to hear Tyler Childers do it. And I want Tyler Childers and Sierra Farrell to do it. It's really hard to talk just to myself. Did you hear what I said? Tyler Childers and Sierra Farrell, because they are like ultra country singers. Like not gross, like pop country, but like I want to hear somebody do it differently.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:20

Yeah. I And I love the two of them, and I think that would be wonderful.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:28

So uh who would would she do the the Sure. The vote it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:33

It doesn't matter. I I if you want me to pick just one, I'll go with Tyler Childers.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:37

Do you have a backup? Because I I think Sierra Ferrari I kind of came up with like three, and I could probably go all day.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:42

Well, I said my backup would be Sierra Ferrari.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:44

Sierra Ferro. So oh, not them together.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:46

Well, I I that was what I originally said, but then you made me question that. So I picked if I had to pick one, I said I would pick Tyler Childers.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:54

Okay. But who would play with him? Or just a solo act.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:58

I don't know about the other.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:59

Does he play guitar?

SPEAKER_01 1:38:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:01

Okay, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:02

I I he's great.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:03

I know he's not your type of music, but I I mean I didn't I d I didn't think Chris Stapleton was my kind of music, and then I actually heard him. I was like, oh geez, this guy's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:12

Bomb singer. Yeah. But I actually like Tyler Childers.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:15

Pretty good guitar player, too, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:16

Yeah, I like Tyler Childers better. Uh his songwriting is just really good.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:22

And his voice is kind of screamy in the best way.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:25

So he would be doing the Black Thought part and playing guitar. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:30

Okay. Cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:31

I was in with No, you go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:36

Well, I was thinking I'd like to hear Keep Black Thought in there.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:42

Playing with their the Goat Rodeo guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:46

Oh, that's a great idea. Yo-Yo Mayor.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:48

The Yo Yo Ma and Stuart Duncan.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:52

So they're the back.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:53

Great album.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:54

Wouldn't that be sweet?

SPEAKER_01 1:38:55

Yeah, that's a great idea.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:56

Um, I also thought. Do you know who the Great Boy All-Stars are?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:01

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:01

They were uh so they were I can't name all the players. Well Robert Walter, I think, was the Keys guy. Carl Denson is like amazing. He he went on to do like Carl Denson Tiny Universe, which I've seen them twice. They were freaking that's what probably one of the best shows I've ever met though. Um with the Fujiis. Uh Lauren Hills.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:27

So you're staying sticking a little closer to the that's a little closer to home.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:30

Yeah. I think DJ Grey Boy was his name. They actually he actually would throw scratches in there and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:37

So heck, I want to hear uh Lynn Manuel Miranda do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:42

Okay. Yeah, that'd be cool. With like a full, would they have like a full Broadway pick?

SPEAKER_01 1:39:47

Yeah, like a Broadway, like a Hamilton does the roots.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:50

That would be pretty sweet.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:51

I like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:52

I'd watch that. What about uh oh man, who did I have? Oh, I know. Anderson Pack.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:05

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:06

Stanley Jordan. Just both of them. He'd be on drums rapping.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:10

Because he could sing. I don't know how he I don't know how he does it. Drummers who can do anything other than drumming.

unknown 1:40:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:17

Or even just drumming. Yeah. Just drummers in general.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:19

And then singing.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:20

But if they could sing as well as he does and rap and talk, he could have a conversation, be doing some super technical syncopated beat. But then Stanley Jordan, not exactly quite the household name. But I know who he is. But that dude is a one-man band. Yeah. And he would do insane stuff. I feel like the two of those guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:37

Hey, I bet the guy that was at your concert could be at the oh, in our show.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:42

Yeah. Because he's probably dead. That Stanley Jordan show was insane. I was telling uh Toango and Wes about it yesterday.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:49

Probably should talk about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:50

Should I?

SPEAKER_01 1:40:50

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:51

Oh, shouldn't talk about it. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:53

I brought it up, so sorry.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:54

Yeah. I'll t I'll talk about another on another podcast. Um if you don't know Stanley Jordan, um, really amazing guitar player and a really sweet guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:06

Unique.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:07

You very unique out there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:10

In a good way.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:11

Yes. Um, what about uh soundtracks? If you were to put this movie does it put this song?

Dream Covers And Wild Pairings

SPEAKER_01 1:41:18

Do you do you have any already already?

SPEAKER_04 1:41:21

Yeah, yeah, I thought about a couple.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:23

What? Well, one Ford and Ferrari. Ford and Ferrari.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:29

Did you know that they made uh a dollhouse murders movie?

SPEAKER_01 1:41:32

No, they didn't.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:33

Yeah. I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:35

But so it would be appropriate every time that's the same.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:38

I was thinking when the dolls when the light comes on, and you go, b, bum, uh, set it in motion.

unknown 1:41:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:47

The dolls are moving around by themselves.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:49

But I was thinking um like a midnight, like a really dark urban setting, like the Warriors. Have you ever seen The Warriors?

SPEAKER_01 1:41:58

Yeah, I think we watched it when we lived in Pigtown.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:00

Probably did. Um I thought it'd go well. Yeah. I think it'd go well in that movie. I think it'd go well, maybe like collateral.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:07

Have I seen that?

SPEAKER_04 1:42:07

Yeah, Jamie Foxx and Tom Cruise.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:09

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:10

Um I don't remember. Jamie Foxx is a cab driver and Tom Cruise is a headman. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:15

That was a good movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:16

It was a really good movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:16

I like Jamie Foxx.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:17

I do too.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:18

Better than Tom Cruise.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:20

That's fine. I can live with that.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:22

I don't think he's in Scientology, so that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:25

Well, you get beef of Scientology?

SPEAKER_01 1:42:27

Yeah, I guess I do. If you force my hand. Uh I don't know. I guess I They might be our first listeners.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:35

I hear they're pretty uh pretty adamant about like as soon as like helping new podcasts get. Well, no, like they s I think they uh I think they kind of do some data mining, some scraping, and they you know find anything that says talks about Scientology and they're gonna sue us, actually. We don't have an email address yet, so good luck. Yeah, you'll never be able to find we give like 15 details about our personal lives every podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:00

Well they sue people that they find out talking about Scientology.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:04

Well, we didn't really say anything bad. You just said you don't like it.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:06

Yeah, I'm allowed to like not like it.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:08

So probably don't like you too much either.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:10

I probably don't. I don't think I I'm not cut out for a cult. I I do know that about myself.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:15

Well, who's saying anything about a cult?

SPEAKER_01 1:43:17

Oh, sorry. Well, that's on the case. Not for profit.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:24

Um yeah, I I I've never I haven't been down a roots rabbit hole like I should. I mean, I've listened to a lot of their stuff. Uh I I got the uh I got uh Things Fall Apart. That's the name of the album that it's on.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:38

The one that we were talking about?

SPEAKER_04 1:43:40

I got that in high school. It came out when I was like a junior, and uh I liked it fine. I I I kind of skipped around a couple tracks I I liked more than others.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:50

You were looking for something new.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:52

I really wanted bad words and bad words, and I just I just love filthy, profanity. Just gunshots in the background. And I loved the West Coast sound. Like I've since matured in many ways.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:07

I feel like the roots are for like a cigar club. Like in a more mature audience.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:14

Yeah, I mean they they you talk about them being uh fantastic musicians. Like they did they were doing lots of non-hip hop covers too. Like they did like like the meters.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:24

Do they have a singer? Um any of the men sing?

SPEAKER_04 1:44:31

I don't yeah, uh yeah, Kevin Kirk sings, I think, guitar player. Okay. I think Black Doll bites sing a little. I don't I I guess I don't know that for sure, but they always have what I was talking about with the Solquarians, like they they always have they're tied into so many, like they have to just a network of talent that even if they're not actually in the roots, so to speak, they'll be on their album. Like there's so many featured players and in the uh uh on in the uh freaking uh things fall apart. But there are other albums I've kind of I've never sat down and just listened to all of them, but uh I may I'll probably pick one maybe maybe this week. Oh my goodness. One of their older ones or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:12

We'll have to we'll have to pick something to listen to together on our three-hour tour.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:17

Oh yeah, it's more like a five-hour tour.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:19

I thought it was like four and a half.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:20

Is it? We're going to uh actually we're not going. Oh, by the time we get back, uh no one no one will have robbed our house because we are publishing these like five years. Five weeks and in our so yeah, we're going to Ohio Pile. 20 year anniversary coming up. We're gonna see falling water. Sleep sleep in, hopefully.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:40

Yeah. Well, not the not the day we have the falling water that starts like 8:30.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:44

I don't think I can't sleep in anymore.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:47

Saturday I could have. I got up at six.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:49

Yeah. And uh you're just too good of a human now. That's what that means.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:56

That's what it means, yeah. Um should we wrap it up?

SPEAKER_01 1:46:00

I think so.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:00

Okay. That's uh that's the longest one we've had by far.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:03

Is that a pun?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:04

Because of because of rap.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:05

Yeah. Rapist. Well, this rapist is gonna head out of here.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:11

Liquid S words. Liquid S words. Um so you can catch us on uh like just to wrap up to be a professional uh podcaster now?

SPEAKER_01 1:46:26

Can you say it in your best radio voice?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:29

Hey, this is DJ Easy Dick with the station that's left across your fat ass. It's a salty nuts, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 1:46:36

Why can't you just say the real things?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:38

Because I can only talk and W ball speak when I'm have you ever listened to any of the old death row songs?

SPEAKER_01 1:46:47

Well, I'm I feel like that's been on in the car and I've been like, darn that.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:50

Yeah, I hate I hate this. I'd be like the fourth song. I can't.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:56

It hurts my skin.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:58

What hurts you about it the most?

SPEAKER_01 1:46:59

It's so angry. It hurts me.

Soundtrack Fits And Urban Nightscapes

SPEAKER_04 1:47:04

It's I I remember when I was uh my my parents used to snap CDs. I feel like I'm burning a lot of good future podcast material. Remind me to bring up when I was gonna have to listen to Ain't No Fun in front of my mother. I don't know if you know that song. It's not a song my mom or any woman alive.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:24

Or any mom.

unknown 1:47:25

Any mom ever would like it.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:27

My mom would like it. You guys spent a lot of time together yesterday. You could probably make it a bit.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:31

My mom would uh I don't know if she knew she was listening to it, but she listened to the whole um uh Tedesky I can't say that whole freaking thing again, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:41

Hey, we're on YouTube, the audience won't like it. We're and wherever you get your podcasts.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:46

Yeah, we should be on all of them now.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:48

I think so. I fought or started following us on Apple.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:50

Oh, you did? Like I said, the covers, the cover, us doing the the song on YouTube only. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:56

Is it on the podcast app or is it standalone cover?

SPEAKER_04 1:48:00

I put I've been putting on uh so what I want to do eventually is make like different playlists for stuff. I'll probably do some compilation stuff, kind of like what's uh what's your boy? We've watched, I'd say my boy files. The Y files, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:14

He's got a little something just went. I think our camera just died.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:18

Okay. Uh we'll see you guys later. We are out. Um We love you. What happened to our camera? How the I don't know. I bet we ran out of memory. Memory.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:28

Yeah. Okay. We love you. We'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:31

These things get big.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:32

Whoa. Okay, all right. Peace out.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:34

Love you, bye.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:34

Love you.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:35

Um