Ep 9 - Bathwater; Hospice Music Therapy; Cape Fear and The Outfit

We slow Bathwater into a smoky ballad, break down the E minor to G major lift, and trace how that tension mirrors longing and devotion. Hospice stories from rural Ohio bring music therapy to life, showing how live songs can steady fear, honor memory, and create dignity at the end.

• why a slowed arrangement of Bathwater reveals stronger bones
• E harmonic minor, the raised seventh, and the pivot back to E
• Cape Fear’s menace, big scores, and why dread works
• Earl Klugh, Brad Paisley, and Community as timing lessons
• what music therapy is, and what it is not
• boundaries, safety, and leaving when the room feels wrong
• bedside music for unresponsive patients and why hearing lasts
• legacy songwriting for families and how lyrics emerge
• hoarding, pets, and the realities of home visits
• repertoire shifts: less Hank Sr., more Roy Orbison and oldies
• who should cover Bathwater and where it fits on screen

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Transcript

Warm-Up, Banter, And Setup

SPEAKER_00 0:03

How'd it get the E minor out?

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We were an E minor, now we're an E major.

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Two married friends in a little room.

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The closet.

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Surrounded by clothing and two microphones.

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Some other stuff too.

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They got in a car crash. She died in his arm.

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Good. Keep going. He kissed her lips.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

He kissed her lips. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 0:57

Nice little save there.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

I'm never gonna be able to get that song right.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

That's fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

Because you know it's wrong.

SPEAKER_02 1:07

Why are you taking off your headphones? We're not gonna go.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

Because I gotta take this off.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

Unless you want me to keep it on the whole time. No, I have to make fun of you.

SPEAKER_02 1:13

Remember when you did do that?

SPEAKER_00 1:14

I remember.

Show Intro And Concept

SPEAKER_02 1:16

Welcome to you. The audience won't like it. Bye.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Rob Shoecraft is my name.

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And Leslie Shoecraft is my name.

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Henry Swanson's my name.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

Henry?

SPEAKER_00 1:27

Henry Swanson?

SPEAKER_02 1:28

Who's that?

SPEAKER_00 1:29

That is uh Jack Burton's brief alter ego in Big Trouble in Little China. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

That's a deep.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

When he goes into uh The White Tiger to try to purchase Wang's fiance from the prostitution ring.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

And then the three storms show up.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

Well, we're not gonna talk about that today.

SPEAKER_02 1:53

No, we're gonna save that for another day.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

But if you'd like, I could go beat by beat.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

Nah, not today. I'd like to get that uh I'd like to get the second anniversary of the thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

I'd like to get Brian down here for that. I'd like to or at least a Zoom call or something. Talking to you, buddy. I think he listens. He's listened to one.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

He's always been a big supporter of me.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

He's uh he's a nice guy.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

He's he's a he's one of my favorite guys in the whole in the whole wide world.

SPEAKER_02 2:21

That's really good. Good job, Brian.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Thanks, bud.

SPEAKER_02 2:23

Shout out to your family.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

All right, this is um this is the audience won't like it. It is. And this is a podcast slash YouTube channel where two married friends in a little room. Now where uh we try to just very loosely emulate a pre-concert experience.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:45

Where two people are standing outside in the line.

SPEAKER_02 2:48

Not married necessarily.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

Not necessarily, although we have found it it can work. Yeah. So far it's worked for every episode exclusively.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

Wait, we've never quite determined if we know each other or not.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

In line before the You know, I think it's kind of gonna be one of those Stewie Griffin things and the early family guys. Can he talk or can they understand? Can they understand? Yeah. Like almost at the end of the of one of them, it's like, so wait, guys, it's like it takes place in the future. Like a It's like, so wait a minute, can the uh can the family hear the baby or not?

SPEAKER_02 3:19

Anyways, yeah, it's like that. What's that's last name?

SPEAKER_00 3:21

McFarlane.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

Yeah, he's multi-layered.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Yeah, he's uh he's something he's got a lot going on, super prolific.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

He's a good singer.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

He is a good singer. He's a he's a great singer.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

Do you think he wants to come on our show?

SPEAKER_00 3:34

I think he's itching. He's probably a little nervous because we got you know such a just a loose he's he seems like a very scripted individual.

SPEAKER_02 3:43

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 3:43

You know? I bet he likes for things to be just right. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

They're not gonna be like that here. I would like that too, Seth, but I live with Rob Shoecraft and sometimes you have to give a little.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

This is a seat of the pants kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

It is, and I like it like that.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

I wear them wear a seat of my pants on my heart. And my sleeve. I just have I've ripped a lot of pants over the years, so I got a lot to work with.

SPEAKER_02 4:06

That's true. There's many seats at the end. For some reason we seem to hang on to those. Tape it.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

I tape them.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

Hey, do you remember so speaking of ripping your pants?

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

Remember when you used to work for Sherman Williams and you ripped a lot of pants there, I think.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

Oh, did I?

SPEAKER_02 4:20

And for some reason. Those pants. You you wanted me to keep those pants.

SPEAKER_00 4:25

Yeah, you never know.

SPEAKER_02 4:27

And then well they're ripped from the knee to the A S S.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 4:31

And then once you stopped working there, you wanted me to keep all of your Sherwin Williams polos.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

This is not the favorite corner.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

That's my favorite.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

Ma'am, I'm sorry. Who would I got the wrong guy?

SPEAKER_02 4:44

Covered in paint. Like you were gonna wear them to your new IT job.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

That's not my those were not my intentions.

SPEAKER_02 4:50

Why did you want to keep them?

SPEAKER_00 4:51

So I can't exactly give you a just a burning good reason, but Exactly. There are times when uh you know I want to wear a polo um maybe where while I do yard work. Have you ever wanted to work on a car?

SPEAKER_01 5:07

Have you ever worked on a car?

SPEAKER_00 5:09

I probably would have started working on cars if I had polos that I could that I could trash. Yeah. I like the look of a I like the way they fit me. I like the I like the fit of those shirts. And they were pretty durable. Yeah, they had paint on them, but you could do stuff in them. So I like to I think I got down to like two, and then one day I went in the closet and they just weren't there anymore.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

Well, it's a dark time.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Like my Hepcat shirt.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

That's somewhere around here.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

Yeah, it's back there.

SPEAKER_02 5:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

They may uh I may c I may bring them up again today. So, anyways, this is the audience won't like it. And uh we're standing in line and we're waiting for a show. We're waiting for a concert.

SPEAKER_02 5:44

Oh, I'm excited to this.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Now, the fun the fun thing is here's the fun thing about this, about this show, guys. We performed the concert as if we were script. Yeah, as if we were in this case, no doubt, uh doing bathwater.

SPEAKER_02 5:59

Want to see no doubt performing bathwater.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Now you can't you gotta go to our YouTube channel if you want to watch our cover.

SPEAKER_02 6:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

We have a uh two take max, which usually amounts to one.

SPEAKER_02 6:09

Yeah. So we I prefer one, even at even if it's like a 76%. I'm like, oh C. I C, let's just go for it.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

Yeah, I'm cool with that.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

But don't say anything mean.

SPEAKER_00 6:22

Yeah, don't comment anything mean. There's nothing mean to say. It's perfect. Uh it's not bad. I feel fine about it. I'm not I'm not crying.

SPEAKER_02 6:31

No, I thought it was fun. Um it was my choice this week. We take turns choosing because that wasn't clear.

SPEAKER_00 6:36

Yeah, we take turns choosing the songs pretty much. Although I ch I chose you and I, even though it's kind of a more of a your song.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

Mm-hmm. But you sang on it.

SPEAKER_00 6:45

I do like that song.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

I do too. Your mom likes it.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

It's really grown on me over the years. Actually, I pretty much like that immediately.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

It's a great song. Yeah, it's like a great little ditty.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

It is.

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She's a great songwriter, back to her.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

Yeah, back to World Ingrid.

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Ingrid.

SPEAKER_00 6:57

We've got to be nice to Ingrid, so her dad's nice to us.

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He doesn't fire us from our own podcast.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

Dad's a copyright lawyer, apparently.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

Is he gonna fire us from YouTube?

SPEAKER_00 7:04

He might. People have been fired ever less.

SPEAKER_02 7:07

I'd like to see it. Prove it.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

So we have this little thing, this little segment where it's called what do we decide on? The consumption consumption corner. The consumption junk corner.

SPEAKER_02 7:20

Consumption corner.

Consumption Corner: Music And Media

SPEAKER_00 7:21

The consumption corner. It's a consumption corner, and that's where we like to talk about what's going on this week and our consumption. Uh what have we been what what uh media have we been consuming? So that might be why don't you start us off?

SPEAKER_02 7:36

Okay, well, we talked about this last week, but then I went in back, I said I was gonna do it, and I did it, which was listen to that um Brad Paisley Time Well Wasted album. And it is great. And I would recommend that you listen to it, even if you're not a country fan. If you like music, most of the song well, not most of them, many of the songs have like a solid minute or so of instrumental after the lyrics are done. But his lyrics are great too. They're funny and clever, and they sound like at first glance they're great country background music, but they're actually a little better than that.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

A little better in what way?

SPEAKER_02 8:11

The lyrics are clever, as I said. And the music is just really good. It's kind of unique, and it's just better, it's just above average.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Well, I can tell you the I've only listened to one song on that album, and it was uh Time Warp. Time warp, which is uh instrumental, and it is an absolute clinic and country, well, not even just country, it opens up like pretty serious jazz legs. Like Brad Paisley is a nut on that on the guitar. He is super good, and his whole band is just killing it. Like they I think it's one of those uh it's one of those songs where they all sort of take turns. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

That's kind of a jazz thing.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

Yeah, yeah, I love it.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

In the blues thing, too.

SPEAKER_00 8:50

I really enjoyed that. Like that was yeah, it was wonderful. So I will I will definitely listen to the rest of that album. Do they have any more instrumental songs on there? You know?

SPEAKER_02 8:58

I don't know off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

I just think it's cool that he puts one on there at all. Like that guy has some.

SPEAKER_02 9:09

Do you remember? Very unexpected guest.

SPEAKER_00 9:12

Oh, oh, oh, yeah, William Shatner. Oh my gosh, what a touch.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

I know. See?

SPEAKER_00 9:18

When was that released?

SPEAKER_02 9:19

Uh mid-2000s, 2004, 5, 6, 7, 2000. 2004.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

What was Shatner doing in 2004?

SPEAKER_02 9:25

What's he hosting now that we were watching?

SPEAKER_00 9:27

Oh, um, The Unexplained?

SPEAKER_02 9:30

Yeah, and he's just like Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

I love that guy so much. Looking interesting. He's he's just a just a sight to beh behold.

SPEAKER_02 9:41

Consumption junction.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

I just want to I want to hold him.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

Oh, I don't think you could.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

I could. I could totally hold William Shatner. I mean, I know he's a rotund fellow, but you'd find a way. First of all, I would want you to. I would pull strength from all sorts of places. Whatever it took to be able to do something like that.

SPEAKER_02 9:56

To rock him.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

Yeah. And when he dies, guess what? He's beaming right front and center on our concert.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

Yes, he is. Beam me up.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

We have a concert if you're new to the show. We have a concert we're planning. We're working on the one we're waiting in line for.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

This is a concern.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

No, it's just a different one, guys. Yeah. Thanks for saying that. It's a different concert. This is a concert you don't have to wait in line for.

SPEAKER_02 10:15

Yeah, you just have to die.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

You just gotta well, we haven't figured out. Oh basically, it doesn't matter if you're dead. We definitely feature dead people on stage if they've earned it. If they've earned a spot.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

He's earned a spot. What will he do?

SPEAKER_00 10:31

What?

SPEAKER_02 10:31

What will he do?

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Uh probably he'll I mean he's gonna have to do Rocket Man.

SPEAKER_02 10:35

Oh yeah. Okay. All right. Sold he's good.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Seth McFarland uh I know is a fan. Um Seth, you do not get to come while you're alive. You will have to die first.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

I'll have to diverse, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Unless you just I'll tell you what, if the next season of Orville is better than the last, we'll take you. Live or dead.

SPEAKER_02 10:54

How many seasons are there?

SPEAKER_00 10:56

Um I think there were three. I liked it. I liked the last season fine. I'm kind of where I am on Strange New Worlds. It's just like it's it's got some good ones.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

Well, that's what I was gonna say that was a whole that we've been consuming.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:10

The Strange New Worlds, the new Star Trek. And I'm sad that we didn't really consume as much of it this week.

SPEAKER_00 11:16

No, we didn't, but we did consume something else.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

We sure did. Oh, I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Earl Clue's greatest hits volume two.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

That is not what I thought you were gonna say, you brat.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

I just want to throw out a little shout-out a little after Earl Clue.

SPEAKER_02 11:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

Earl Clue is one of my favorite guitar players. Period. Acoustic, jazz, but also just really accessible jazz. The guy could play with anybody. Is the kind of stuff if you want to get into jazz guitar? I would listen to Earl Clue because it's it's very it's not super heavy, it's very, very, very listenable.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

Do you think he's like a super nice man?

SPEAKER_00 11:50

I think he's a probably a wonderful man. I would like to hold him as well. I would like to have Earl Clue and William Shatner on each one on each. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

Would you burp him?

SPEAKER_00 11:59

I dress him up like you know the you know the str you probably don't, but the the khakis in the in the vertical like green stripe, green and white stripes that uh Danny DeVito and our and Arnold Torcheninger play in twins. Yeah, I would like to um have William Shatner and that and uh that outfit and then of course Earl Clue and the other outfit. And the wearing both the same outfits.

SPEAKER_02 12:23

I would and this is why we can't get out of here before two hours. Heads up today will not be two hours. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Or I could move off of Earl Clue, but uh because I'll be bringing Earl Clue up quite a bit over the over the next few shows. You trust me on that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

He's the new it's the new uh Tedaskin Trucks.

Deep Dive: Cape Fear Rewatch

SPEAKER_00 12:43

Yeah, yeah, the new TTP. All right, let's get let's get going on Cape Fear because I know that's where we're going, right? 1991.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

It was our spooky watch for the week of Halloween.

SPEAKER_00 12:51

Yes, it was. Martin Scorsese film, 91.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

I didn't know that, but okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:57

Robert De Nairo.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Robert De Nairo Bobby Bobby Diesel. Um Nick Nolte? Nick Nolte.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

Who's the late who's the wife? We've been there. Jessica Lang. Oh, right.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

She was something else. Uh Juliette Lewis. She was weird. Yeah, but she was great.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

Didn't she win uh an award for that?

SPEAKER_00 13:16

Did she?

SPEAKER_02 13:17

I think she might have. I can't remember. Like an Oscar? Yeah, I can look if I if you want to.

SPEAKER_00 13:21

Oh wow. I will look. I mean, she she was great. Give us a few. She did a good job. I'm gonna make sure that's what I'm saying. She played. Man, she made my skin crawl.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

Yeah. Well, we were talking about watching it with our kids.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

She plays a 16-year-old.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

And we have one of those. She might even be fifty. Was she like 15, turning 16?

SPEAKER_02 13:39

Yeah, she was right around that. Yeah, her birthday was happening.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

I think she won't be 18 in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

Oh, she was just Oscar nominated. Okay. She didn't win.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

Okay. Who won that year, do they say? Uh it's okay. If you can't find it in less than three seconds.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

Nope.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

Okay, well, we'll find out someday.

SPEAKER_02 13:57

But yeah, she's a very unsettling. The whole movie's actually fairly unsettling.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

Robert De Niro's a creep.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

He is. I've loved him in that movie.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

Yeah, but he was creepy, right? Oh gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

Yeah, super creepy. Um that what yeah, that one scene with Juliet Lewis and Robert De Niro that goes on a long time. Now, would that be like a courting scene, like an acceptable courting scene if they were, you know, 200 years ago? Would that be like would that be Charlie?

SPEAKER_02 14:30

But he's like well at his own. How old was Robert De Niro when they filmed that?

SPEAKER_00 14:35

Oh, that's a good question. So what is he now?

SPEAKER_02 14:37

80, he's gotta be like, I think he said he was like around my he was born like 40 or 41 or something. We were looking that up too. So he's in his mid 80s. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:47

Let's just say sorry.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

So 30 years ago, he would have been in his 50s.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:53

So would you want, would you, could you watch Caroline, our 16-year-old, filming that scene with a 50-some-year-old man?

SPEAKER_00 15:03

If she put on a performance that was as good as Juliet Lewis when she did it, yes. I'd be proud of her.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

I would not. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't I wouldn't let my kid be. I wouldn't let my kid be in a horror movie.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

So I would feel very squeamish. Yeah. I don't know how I feel about it.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

How would you like to be Robert De Niro and watching doing that with the filming that scene? There's no there's nothing. Well against the wrong thing.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Oh, he did Dirty Grandpa.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

But then like, and then you like look out beyond the cameras and there's like Rob Shoecraft.

unknown 15:34

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

The dad of the 16-year-old girl and just watching me and me and uh me and Joe Don Baker sitting there.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

He's got a two by four.

SPEAKER_02 15:43

I'm not gonna say that that all actors are like this, but there's just something that about somebody's ability to like get over themselves enough to do something like that. I'm not passing any judgment. I just think it's I don't think I could do it.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Oh, I definitely couldn't do it. You'd be so I no, I wouldn't even be laughing.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

I'd be just want to do this with this.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Like, I don't even know if Julia Lewis was like seven, was she like 17 in that?

SPEAKER_02 16:08

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

She might have been 18. Maybe that's a rule. I I don't know. Anyways.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

I mean, there's tons of creepy movies out there where the where the where creepy interactions occur with children that are not 18 in real life.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

True. But she, I mean, he was like French, I mean he like French kissed her. Put his stomach her mouth. Okay. Um did you like how it ended?

SPEAKER_02 16:30

Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

Well, I was just gonna say, um no, I was gonna get to the end. No, I thought the ending was kind of dumb, honestly. I like the first half of the movie way more than I like the second half.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

They built me up to hate everyone in it. So I wonder if you're not gonna be a good one.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

I mean, honestly, I probably cared about the the his uh legal partner, the Bippy Bopy, the girl that gets like terribly terribly I probably cared about her more than I cared about anybody else in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

Your bleeding heart.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

Well, just because like she's the only one that seemed to have any like redeeming value.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

Like Juliet Lewis, sure, she's a kid, but she's freaking weird.

SPEAKER_02 17:08

Well, she was already having some problems.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

Her parents were weird too.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

But she went on to do great things, so who's worried about it?

SPEAKER_00 17:15

As an actress or uh as a character. Well, she was in California. Have you seen that movie? Brad Pitt and uh it's like another it's a serial killer movie. She was in oh my gosh, um Woody Harrelson Natural Born Killers. She's been in some screwed up stuff. She was in uh old school.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

She played uh, you know, um uh Luke Wilson's fiance, I think.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

She's the one that was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Yeah, that's a way to put it. Yeah, yeah. Um, anyways. Yeah, what what was your opinion?

SPEAKER_02 17:52

I liked it a lot, but I again I I kind of wish somebody would have died at the end. Sorry, somebody does die at the end, but I won't give away who. I wish more than that.

SPEAKER_00 18:00

No, we're gonna spoil it.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

Died at the end.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

He d the way he dies at the end is insane.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

It's yeah, just keep going.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

It's just like speaking in tongues.

SPEAKER_02 18:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Like drifting off, just drowning still. Uh what do you think about the soundtrack?

SPEAKER_02 18:16

It was a a bit over the top.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

Yeah, which I think served the movie, though.

SPEAKER_02 18:19

A lot of chords out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

So that soundtrack, if I get if I did my homework right, by Bernard Herman. So Bernard Herman did the original.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

Oh, right, because this is a remake.

SPEAKER_00 18:31

Yeah. With when Robert Mitchum and um Gregory Peck. Was it Mitchum? Gregory Peck, definitely. He played like the uh the lawyer, that like super uh overdone. Yeah. Um anyways, uh, what was that?

unknown 18:47

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 18:48

I think another one.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

Three Wills Ghosts.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

Kitty.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

We're sorry, Kitty. We saw you. I think she was a big fan of the original.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

So let's not say anything bad about it.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

Well, I've never seen it, so I can't say anything bad about it.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

Okay, I haven't either. Okay. But uh yeah, Herman did the soundtrack for it, and he did like Hitchcock and he did Citizen Kane, he did Taxi Driver's.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

I I've seen Citizen Kane, and that seems right.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

But but Elmer Bernstein did this one, but he used Innsbow Bernard Herman's um composition. I guess he arranged it maybe. I I don't know exactly how it worked, but then how was it not his? I don't know. I could even have that information wrong.

SPEAKER_02 19:27

So you didn't do your homework as good as maybe you thought?

SPEAKER_00 19:29

No. No, no, no. The audience went like I gotta keep a little bit of a Well when you said I think if I did my homework correctly, yeah. Sounds like he didn't know what kind of grades I got. Eighty percent of that is true. That's that's that's a guarantee. That's sixty percent of the time. Uh do you know Bill Murray?

SPEAKER_02 19:46

Mm-hmm. You know Bill Murray.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

You do?

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

He will be at the show at our show, The Dead or Alive. He makes the cut. So dead or alive, Bill Murray for the case.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

If he decides if he deigns to grace us with his presence.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

He he won't. You can't you can't count on him from what I hear.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

Oh, I thought he was just like enigmatic and just only No, he is.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

Okay. I think you can count on him. We can't count on him. Like you you cannot, Blessing Sheep cannot count. He does not care about it. You don't know anything about when he meets you, and he will.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

You don't know what I did in the 19 years of life before I met you. I could have a very close relationship with Bill Murray.

SPEAKER_00 20:20

Like similar to the scene with uh De Niro and uh Bobby D and Juliet Rose.

SPEAKER_02 20:25

He's that much older than me.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

He's in his 80s?

SPEAKER_00 20:28

Bill Murray?

SPEAKER_02 20:28

He's in his 80s?

SPEAKER_00 20:29

He's getting there if he's not.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

Oh no.

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SPEAKER_00 20:31

He was gonna play Max Cady, though. He was gonna play the De Niro role. Well, sorry, they were trying to get him. And it's funny, I didn't I didn't obviously know that watching it, but well, I guess it's not obvious. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

It would have been indifferent, but I would have liked it.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

Well, so that movie sort of reminded me of a dark what about Bob, which was actually pretty dark. Oh, I said that during the movie?

SPEAKER_02 20:54

I think you did.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

Yeah. So it's just kind of funny because because he's playing like a dopey mix Katie Virgin. But everybody's just like, you can't really do anything about it. And anyways, we could you want to move on off Cape Fear?

SPEAKER_02 21:06

It's a great movie, though. I would recommend it. Yeah, it was fun. Don't watch it with your kids.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

It depends on your kids, and depends on what you want to do with them.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

I'm the mother, and if you're gonna pick someone's advice, you should pick mine.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

What about uh got a few other things?

SPEAKER_02 21:19

You can go ahead. I haven't done much this week.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

Okay, well, good for you. I've uh listened to uh Juli uh Julian Laj.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

Oh, I know who that is.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Uh well, he is uh I've been calling him Lage forever, and I thought I'm gonna get on the podcast, I want to learn how to actually say it. Make sure I'm saying his name right.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

Oh, I just asked Chuck GT how to pronounce someone's name too, but hopefully it's right.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

Okay. Can't wait to hear who.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

You'll have to wait until the end and to see.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

So I've uh just learned how to say his name right, but I have been listening to him for a couple of years.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

You've been listening to his music correctly?

SPEAKER_00 21:50

What does that entail?

SPEAKER_02 21:52

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

Oh, yeah, I would say I have. You disagree. Headphones like this?

SPEAKER_02 21:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

Yeah. Um quickly becoming one of my favorite guitar players.

SPEAKER_02 22:02

Man, you love guitar.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

I well, I do.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

You really do. He really does. He's not just an act.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

He's not just playing like this this album I've been listened to listened to this week, though, is Modern Lore.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

L-O-R-E.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

L-O-R-E. And it is jazz meets country western blues, kinda. Um, but it's real, it's real nice, real smooth. Just um What's his first name? Julian.

SPEAKER_02 22:28

Julian.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

Uh I think that's what Schwarzenegger's character's name was in Twins, if not mistaken.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

That's what Julian's name is in trailer parking.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

Don't quote me on that. We should be drinking um Rum and Cokes right now.

SPEAKER_02 22:43

Swirling them around. We should have been drinking them last time on our sitcom one.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

No doubt.

SPEAKER_02 22:47

We got the worst.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

Well, we're learning. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:50

We can't be too good, or the audience will like it.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

Revelry is one of my favorite songs on that album. I heard that song and it made me listen to the entire album. It's beautiful. I love it. Oh, listen to Winery Dogs.

SPEAKER_02 23:05

I helped.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

You helped me. That's right. Uh recommendation from my boss, superintendent.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

And uh what'd you think? You're gonna give me a lot depending on the answer. No, no, no. He's like that.

SPEAKER_02 23:21

I said I liked it, but it's right on the edge of too hard.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

Too hard.

SPEAKER_02 23:26

Mm-hmm. For me.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

What what's like the uh what's the hardest kind of music that that you like? Uh could you come with it?

SPEAKER_02 23:35

I can't think of who it is that I like. Who does the I can't even say the word racon tours rock?

SPEAKER_00 23:42

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Who is that? Uh Jack White, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That co kind of like early 2000s alternate alt rock strokes.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

Is that how you how do you say it?

SPEAKER_00 23:54

Rock and tours? Rock and tours. Is that how you say it?

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Yeah. I think so.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

Let's go with that.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

Raccontour.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Um, I I I love that kind of music. Uh but uh winery dogs. I am very impressed by them. They're super they're virtual. I mean, you could call them a super group. All these guys are from Yeah. I think well the reason we the reason it came up is because I I'm I may be getting maybe getting some facts wrong. But I I think he said he's he's going to a conference in Columbus and he's like, you know, the winery dogs are playing. He's like, I know I'm not gonna be able to get anybody to go with me, but I think I'm just gonna go by myself and check them out. I was like, I don't know who those guys are. Yeah, well these are this is the kind of group I would love to see live because they're just so unbelievably good.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

Yeah, their drummer is great.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

Oh, uh who is it? Uh Pono uh Mike Poneroy.

SPEAKER_02 24:46

Mike Bonderosa?

SPEAKER_00 24:47

Mike Portnoy. Yeah, yeah. He was from Dream Dream Theater. Have you listened to them? They're like um Prague Metal J't're on a super level. They're you know Medesky, Martin and Wood kind of we I'm always saying that because we'll we talked about that before, but yeah, just just super, super top tier. Um uh yeah, Richie Cotton, I did not know uh Billy Sheehan, I I knew that guy just uh from just conversations and stuff, but they were both in Mr. Big. You know why that's significant?

SPEAKER_02 25:16

Why?

SPEAKER_00 25:17

Because Mr. Big is the first song we ever played together.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

They were in the band.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

Well, the band was called the gosh. We should do that on here sometime on an anniversary. I have to learn. Ooh, I gotta learn that. I gotta learn Paul Gilbert has a solo on that that is pretty simple.

SPEAKER_02 25:34

It's not in a good key for me. We'll have to change the key.

SPEAKER_00 25:37

Okay, well.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

If I'm the lead. If you're the lead though, then I'll just add the harms.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

Hmm. We'll we'll we'll discuss it. Okay. Anyways, uh, these guys were were great. I loved almost all almost all of every song I listened to, except, and this is gonna hurt, the chorus. I think the choruses were just weak. They just kind of for me fell apart. Maybe it's just I don't listen enough to the genre or something, but it kind of went, it's almost like it's going, it's got this sick, you know, the the bass player's just uh Billy Sheehan, if I'm saying that right. He's just got a sick room, and of course the the drum. And the guitar player uh is his voice is great and he can tread. I mean, they're so good, but the chorus it just hits and it's just kind of eh, sort of turns into like new metal. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

You don't want new or old metal.

SPEAKER_00 26:24

I will definitely revisit them. Like I said, love to see him live.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

Great.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

Watch the outfit?

SPEAKER_02 26:29

I've been up to a lot this week. What have I been doing all week?

SPEAKER_00 26:32

I don't know how I've watched and listened to all this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 26:35

Because I've been I just I'm like over here just like, what have I done?

SPEAKER_00 26:39

You uh you could talk about some YouTube videos or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

Don't make fun of me. Oh, yeah. I don't I haven't really been watching that many lately because I set a bunch of um timers on my phone.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Oh. You do what the dig the digital uh trainer tells you.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

I I respect that.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

Thank you. I fall back into it usually on the weekends, I let myself catch up on some stuff I haven't seen.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Like what?

SPEAKER_02 27:08

You mean on the YouTube? Sure. Well, I'm probably too old for her, but I love Mia Maples and Caroline Winkler.

SPEAKER_00 27:17

I don't know who I don't know who they are.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

They're influencers.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

I haven't too old for them.

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SPEAKER_02 27:21

Well, Mia Maples is like twenty-seven.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

Does she like screen her viewers?

SPEAKER_02 27:26

No, she's just so cute and she always has her mom on and they're the best.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

What do they do?

SPEAKER_02 27:30

Everything. She does she does everything from remodels her house to reviews clothing to sews to cooks to just all kinds of different stuff. And then Caroline Winkler is an interior designer, but she's crazy. She she would fit into our family pretty well. She's pretty goofy.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

Any relation to Henry?

SPEAKER_02 27:51

She it's Henry Winkler. Oh, okay. His Alter Eager.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

His Alter Winkler.

SPEAKER_02 27:57

It's his Alter Winkler.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

That shouldn't be the funniest thing ever said, but it is somehow. Um Okay, anything else on Mia? Or Carolyn Winkler.

SPEAKER_02 28:11

Henry? No. That's all I got.

SPEAKER_00 28:14

Um the outfit? Yeah, go back to the show. Can I I I I don't want to ruin anything. I just want to mention I knew nothing about the movie whatsoever. I don't even know how I ended up with it.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

Is it the one you said you think I might have wanted to watch with you?

SPEAKER_00 28:26

Yeah. Okay. It was it's a mob movie.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

Oh, right. Yeah, you told me about that.

SPEAKER_00 28:30

But it's kind of not it's one of those movies that takes place in like one room the whole time, pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

Oh, I like those.

SPEAKER_00 28:37

Yeah. It's it's smart, it's super smart, but very dialogue driven. Yeah. There's a little bit of action. I mean, there's some stuff happens. The acting's solid. I mean, it it have to it has to be if it's gonna be that kind of that kind of movie. Um uh Rylance, Mark, Mark Rylance. I I didn't I didn't know any of these people's name. Oh, these are the same things. I knew I knew them from yeah. Okay. I knew them from uh Site, like Mark Rylance, I recognized him. He was in uh I didn't write down what he was in, but he got an Oscar as best uh supporting actor, I think, for Bridge of Spies. So I will probably watch that next.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

You are just from you are just that uh chain of what's that called?

SPEAKER_00 29:22

Matrix?

SPEAKER_02 29:23

Like uh you're talking like this is related, like you were talking about like reading the liners of of CD albums, and now you're doing that with the movies.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

That's how I I mean that's how I know discover anything.

SPEAKER_02 29:35

That's how I know a ton of I just let you tell me what I should do and then I do it.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

I know a lot of stuff, but I don't know anything that deep because I keep getting distracted by By the next thing that that person did, and then you discovered it. This person likes corn. Hmm. I wonder who his favorite kind of tractor is. And then I'll watch a million tractor videos. So I'll tell you what tractors I put um um got my eye on. Oh really? No.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

Oh well we do need it. We do need to make a tractor purchase.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

$1,000 uh per uh horsepower is what they what they say. Um great movie. Great uh no, I love go I love going into movies with no expectations. And it if it's if it's good like if it if it's even just good, it feels great. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 30:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

If you're not expecting anything, I wasn't expecting anything, didn't even know what it was about. I really enjoyed it. It's got a little bit of a twist. I kind of saw it coming, but it was still still nice. And uh the actress in it, Zoe Deutsch, you know her?

SPEAKER_02 30:36

Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 30:36

You'd recognize her.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

She was in Zombieland 2.

SPEAKER_02 30:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

And I wrote lots of stuff I've seen but can't pin her on. And uh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

Have I seen Zombieland 2?

SPEAKER_00 30:48

Yes. She's the one, she's wearing like pink. She's like kind of like um uh who's Reese Weatherspoon's character in the Oh uh Legely Blonde. Yeah, what's her name?

SPEAKER_02 31:00

Uh L Woods.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

L Woods, okay. She's kind of got that kind of vibe going.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

L Woods vibe.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

She was in Dirty Grandpa.

SPEAKER_02 31:06

Oh, okay. I didn't actually watch it was Robert De Niro.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

Man, this is like this is like six degrees of Kevin Bacon right now. Who was in JFK, which I just watched? I I uh we watched uh community.

SPEAKER_02 31:19

Oh we enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

We started a new bedtime sitcom. What do you think so far?

SPEAKER_02 31:23

I think it's delightful. Good enough to keep on going.

SPEAKER_00 31:26

I do too. Well, I said it was the best pilot I think I've ever seen. Funniest pilot I think I've ever seen. It seems to be, is this just me or they'll go on a streak where the jokes just kill and then they'll kind of and then it'll kind of turn a little bit into a storyline for a minute, but then they come in with jokes just hammering again. I it's it's funny enough to keep me in.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

Well, and it also definitely doesn't take itself seriously in the least.

SPEAKER_00 31:53

No. Which I like. Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

I love uh we feel like you're in on the joke, like it almost feels like it's filmed in a way where you're like there. Like you feel like you're in on what's happening.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

No, it's a good yeah, it's a good way to put it. So kudos to uh everyone involved there. Yeah Dan Harmon wrote Chevy Chase. Dan Har yeah, Chevy Chase is great in that.

SPEAKER_02 32:14

His one-liners are pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

Oh yeah. And uh I love uh what's his name? Poot putty Pooty, Danny Pootie? I'm not sure I'm saying his name right.

SPEAKER_02 32:23

Uh Abed.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Abed, yeah. He's great. He was that and Batman, he was awesome as Batman.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

As Batman, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

Honestly, he's a better Batman than Val Kilmer, I think. Rest in peace. Val Kilmer could be there.

SPEAKER_02 32:36

I forgot he died.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

Val Kilmer. Um, have you ever seen Kiskus Bang Bang? Oh man, he's amazing in that in Tombstone. He's amazing in a lot. But not Batman this year.

SPEAKER_02 32:45

Did he be at our concert now? In the VIP seating with uh who are we who else did we have in the VIP seating?

SPEAKER_00 32:52

My gosh. I can't remember.

SPEAKER_02 32:54

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 32:55

Like up there with the muzzle. Was it a president?

SPEAKER_02 32:57

No, because you were like, oh, like Abraham Lincoln. I was like, no, just a regular box.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

Yeah, who was it? It'll come to us. Yeah, it'll come to us, yeah. Um I love the little thing that they've been doing at the end in the credits with uh with uh Donald Glover and uh in a bed where they just they just say the most bizarre off. I mean, that it's it's great. Good show. I'm looking forward to more.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

It's our bedtime show, so it's yeah. If you remember from the previous episode we were talking, we talked about our bedtime shows.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

We we ranked them. We actually got into some serious details on that. We sure did. Check it out. Did you listen to it?

SPEAKER_02 33:34

Did you listen to that one?

SPEAKER_00 33:35

I did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:37

How is it?

SPEAKER_00 33:38

I'm captivating. But I'm into bedtime shows. So that's true, you know. That's true. Bedtime sitcoms. We uh you gotta check out the episode to find out what that means.

SPEAKER_02 33:47

If I can tell you two songs I'm working on learning.

SPEAKER_00 33:49

I'd love to know.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

For work.

SPEAKER_00 33:51

Oh yeah. Uh is this a segue?

SPEAKER_02 33:55

Thank God and it can be.

SPEAKER_00 33:57

Because there's one more thing I want to talk about. Okay. And then that could be our segue.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

It wasn't gonna be a segue, but I can make it one. Go.

SPEAKER_00 34:03

Okay. Go, go, go, go. Okay, I listen to Flight of the Navig Flight of the Navigator soundtrack by Alan Sylvestri.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

Is that before or after you played along with it? Through the looper pedal of your phone app.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

It so that wasn't a looper pedal, that was a 10-minute song.

SPEAKER_02 34:19

Oh. I thought that that little lunchbox amp had a Oh no, that was a different time.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

That was a different night.

SPEAKER_02 34:27

Oh, okay. So there's been more than one night, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Where I've just sat there and played tranced out and played guitar.

SPEAKER_02 34:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:33

Uh random stuff. Yes. Um, no, there's a part of bathwater.

SPEAKER_02 34:38

That reminds you of that?

SPEAKER_00 34:39

That reminds me of the bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum. No? I mean it's not really in bathwater, but that interval change with those three notes in the in the anyways.

SPEAKER_02 34:54

Like you could isolate that interval and find it somewhere in bathwater, but without the context, it sounds like totally different. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

100%. Um so I went, I so I just decided to listen to the whole soundtrack, and that took me back in a big way. Like I almost cried. Not really.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

I never even watched that movie until I was married to you.

SPEAKER_00 35:12

Really?

SPEAKER_02 35:12

Yeah. Isn't that surprising? Doesn't that seem like something we would have watched growing up given what my dad was into?

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Yeah. Oh yeah. He must have just it must have just missed it. Yeah, he just didn't never saw it. Because he would have been all in the He might like it. He likes it. It's a good movie. It holds up. I watched it with Caroline 16 years ago.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

Ten years. It holds up.

SPEAKER_00 35:32

I was like, this is solid. They did a lot, they went for a lot of stuff in that movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

I'll tell you what, we'll do a Plot of the Navigator episode.

SPEAKER_02 35:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

How's that sound?

SPEAKER_02 35:39

Guys, we got a lot of stuff coming your way.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

All right, listen. Uh, why don't you tell me about these songs you're working on?

SPEAKER_02 35:44

Two songs. Well, I I worked on three, but I already played one and I'm dismissing it from my brain until next October. It's called Haunted House by Jumpin' Gene Simmons.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

Gene Simmons, like from KISS?

SPEAKER_02 35:56

No. That's what I wanted to know as well. It's not just move into the haunted house.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

Whoa. This is Oh, you said Jumpin' Gene? Jumpin' Gene. Oh, yeah, of course. That's why that song sounds familiar. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

Yeah. Anyway, that's not the one I was gonna talk about. One is a Roy Orbison song called Candyman.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:16

Um someone asked me for that.

SPEAKER_00 36:18

Sing it. I'll take it beta later off. I haven't learned it yet. Wait, where's that ice cream in? Yeah. I know I've heard.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

I never heard it of it or had heard it before when I listened to it. But I also want to know what you think when someone says I want to be your candy man.

unknown 36:33

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_00 36:34

I think they're trying to sell me illicit substances.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

No, no, like if you were a girl and the and the a boy wanted to go out with you and that's what they said.

SPEAKER_00 36:41

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 36:43

Or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

I I I would say it'd be probably a a pretty good uh pretty good way to warm up for the Juliet Lewis Bobby D scene.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

Yeah, see, that doesn't that I mean that's a whole era thing. Like we could get into the whole like I can't wait till you're wasn't what are all those gross songs? Like she was only 16. Oh, yeah. That kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

Yeah, or you're much too young. Uh Gary Puckett had a long younger, get out of my Gary. But I don't think about Roy Orvison in that way. Who are you working? Quit. You need to quit the job at the pizza place. You need to get a real job, dude. No offense to people at the pizza place, but Gary Puckett, he's not fit for that.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

Too much public access for him.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

Yes. Um the union gap.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

And then the other one that I'm working on that I've just slipped my mind. Oh, thank God in Greyhound, you're gone. It's a Roy Clark song.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

Oh, Roy Clark a tread.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

On an instrument?

SPEAKER_00 37:42

On guitar.

SPEAKER_02 37:43

Oh, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

Oh, he's like one of the greats.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

Sorry, everyone in the world's probably like, you're so stupid. We hate this podcast. Yeah, we did our job.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

Well, I probably didn't even get it's probably not Roy Clark. It's probably he's awesome. No, he uh he's done all he's like tonight, you should hear him play like a lot of the classics, like uh Rider what is it? Riders not Riders in the Storm, Ghost Riders in the Storm Ghost Riders in the Sky, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

He wrote that?

SPEAKER_00 38:08

I don't know. I don't well, you know, I don't know, but he can play the crap out of it.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

Do you remember the Sesame Street when Johnny Cash was on and he did it with the Muppets?

SPEAKER_00 38:18

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 38:19

Well, there's an episode of Sesame Street where all the Muppets are dressed up like cowboys and they're on horses, and Johnny Cash is singing that song with them.

SPEAKER_00 38:28

Oh, Johnny Cash was singing that more close. Yeah, no. John I said Johnny Cash. I was like, why was he playing the guitar if he was on?

SPEAKER_02 38:33

No.

SPEAKER_00 38:33

Um I think he did say Johnny Cash, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:35

But here's a great memory about that. I remember that, like watching it as a kid.

SPEAKER_00 38:39

That sounds awesome.

SPEAKER_02 38:40

Yeah, we should find it. I did go find it because I was when I was at work, one of my um probably the coolest 80-something-year-old lady I've ever met in my whole life. She was my patient for a while until she died. Oh, rest in peace. Anyway, she remembered it too, and we were both sitting there thinking, did that really happen? And she's like, I think it did, and so then I pulled it up on YouTube and we watched it together.

SPEAKER_00 39:00

That's pretty cool that that's I mean, that's like right right in that sweet spot of the generation gap there.

SPEAKER_02 39:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:07

Like I'm sure what I saw was a rerun.

SPEAKER_00 39:09

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:10

Well, I just seen it originally with her kids or something.

SPEAKER_00 39:14

I'm thinking of um I keep my mind keeps going to the Johnny Cash show. Is that what it was?

SPEAKER_02 39:19

No, I think it was Sesame Street.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

No, no, what I'm saying was the Johnny Cash show was a thing. Yes, it was. And it was with um but but I think Roy Clark was on that show. And then uh so my mind's you're talking about the mup, it's my mind keeps going to that show, and I'm getting timelines confused.

SPEAKER_02 39:36

But um Yeah, so those are my songs. So brings us around to it.

SPEAKER_00 39:42

Is it worth checking out?

SPEAKER_02 39:43

It's funny. Thank God and Greyhound, you're gone. I mean he's he's acting like it's he's sad that she's leaving him. But is and then so the first half of the song is like real slow, and then she gets on the bus and he's like, Thank God and Greyhound, you're gone. And it's a very my grandpa would have loved it. He probably did love it.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

Probably. Yeah, you did you he he definitely liked him.

SPEAKER_02 40:04

Um and the whole song is like, you know, good riddance, get out of here. You spent all my money, nice kind of thing. So I'm working that one up. That's for the same people who wanted Pinball Machine.

SPEAKER_00 40:15

Oh man.

SPEAKER_02 40:17

I wish I could take you to work.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

I listen to that song.

SPEAKER_02 40:20

You'd love these people.

SPEAKER_00 40:21

Well, hey, why don't you t why don't you take me there? Why don't you take me there kind of while I pull up my notes? All right, what what I asked Leslie to talk about today, she is a music therapist and my wife. But as a man married to a wife music therapist, uh I know what a music therapist is is. Would you like me to define it?

SPEAKER_02 40:46

I'd like to hear what you think you can say about it.

Music Therapy Focus: Hospice Work

SPEAKER_00 40:49

A music therapist is a college educated, certified professional who uses music to achieve non-musical goals.

SPEAKER_02 41:01

All right. You get it. You get this gold star. That's good enough.

SPEAKER_00 41:05

I've had to explain to a few people over the years and uh I try not to.

SPEAKER_02 41:09

I try not to talk about what I do because I'm so tired of it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

Didn't you sell a course on that? Yeah, I did. Yeah, why don't you plug it?

SPEAKER_02 41:16

Because I'm not selling it anymore.

SPEAKER_00 41:17

Because this podcast isn't getting any traction.

SPEAKER_02 41:21

Um incredibly niche occupational field.

SPEAKER_00 41:30

That's that's honestly why why I wanted to do an episode where we just talk about hospice specifically, right?

SPEAKER_02 41:38

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I I will probably dance around some of my other work though, too, because when you're asking me specific questions, I might have better answers from some other fields.

SPEAKER_00 41:46

But Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

Well we can go you can go and like but hospice is what I do most of mostly now. But I started out in a state psychiatric facility, maximum security psychiatric facility amongst corrections officers, and it was locked, and I had to go in and out of security to get in and out every day, and we did music therapy with the uh patients who were in residence there. And then I did that, and then I did it at another like less secure hospital, a couple different regional hospitals. And then we I ended up doing hospice work. And your first question, I'll just answer it now, is how long have I been doing that?

SPEAKER_00 42:27

How long excuse me a second? Whose question was that again?

SPEAKER_02 42:30

Yours, go please.

SPEAKER_00 42:32

Oh, hey, uh Leslie, is it? May I?

SPEAKER_02 42:35

Oh yeah, because we're in line to see if you ever kissed my if a stranger tried to kiss me, I punch them. I gotta do that might come up.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

Again, uh, this has come up before, but uh just a little shout out to George Clinton that is from PCU. One of the You know, I'm surprised Max Katie didn't do that.

SPEAKER_02 42:52

You know, he pretty much did.

SPEAKER_00 42:54

That's when but for those at home, could you explain real quick and then we'll get back to he he went to take my hand as if he was gonna kiss it, but then he licked it.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

That's it, and that was the explanation. Anyway, what was the question though?

SPEAKER_00 43:06

Uh how long you've been doing this?

SPEAKER_02 43:08

How long have I been a music therapist or how long have I been in hospital?

SPEAKER_00 43:10

How long have you been doing a music therapist? How long have I? So um how long have you been a music therapist?

SPEAKER_02 43:24

Twenty years.

SPEAKER_00 43:24

And how long have you been doing hospice? Twelve years. Twelve years.

SPEAKER_02 43:29

Twenty thirteen.

SPEAKER_00 43:30

All in uh southern Ohio, right?

SPEAKER_02 43:32

All in rural Appalachian.

SPEAKER_00 43:34

Southeastern Ohio. So that probably is different from doing music therapy and hospice in the Bay Area, California. Sure.

SPEAKER_02 43:44

And there's a um there's a hospice organization that does um continuing ed out of Florida, and what they offer is like lots and lots of like Latino inspired music because of the population is so different like than what I would see. And so if you didn't grow up, like if I like I do lots of country and gospel music, which I'm sure you've picked up by now through this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 44:08

But um Oh, I thought you meant me. I'm like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:11

So if I hired a a you know, a music therapist to work for me in this area who grew up in the city, they would have a lot of probably have a lot of music to learn. And if I went down to Florida to practice in like West Palm Beach or, you know, probably not West Palm Beach. What's the other city? Miami. That's where I was trying to get to.

SPEAKER_00 44:28

West Palm Beach. I mean, uh, people die there too. That's true. Yeah. Um and they like music.

SPEAKER_02 44:33

But yeah, so so the the population of people is represented differently, you know? Their music is different.

SPEAKER_00 44:39

That's super interesting. Like I'm I'm always legitimately interested, and when you say, I have this, you'll say, I gotta learn like what's a list of like who's the I don't know you can't say it, but who there was a guy who loved um oh my gosh, Supertramp. He liked like Super Tramp and he liked uh Ambrosia and you know, I was like, who is this dude? Like, tell me about this guy. Like I'm really interested. I would love to actually move on.

SPEAKER_02 45:07

Because there's not I would I mean I had to go and learn that music because I didn't know it.

SPEAKER_00 45:11

So when you're learn when I hear you practicing learning songs, it it is I am always very interested.

SPEAKER_02 45:19

And uh I kind of like want to know more about the actual person who you see and I know you can't talk about it, but I will say one disclaimer I wanted to say is even if I say funny or disparaging things about people, I really enjoy my work as a hospice person and I really value all of the people that I see that I mean I can't how many people do you think I've seen that have died in the last 12 years? Hundreds.

SPEAKER_00 45:41

For sure.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

Do you think I'm approaching a thousand?

SPEAKER_00 45:45

I don't know. I mean we could probably figure it out real quick, but it'd be a it'd be but what's the ROI on that uh time spent? Figure up the death the death toll. I mean, we we hit a lot of our show does it.

SPEAKER_02 45:56

It is a privilege. It is a privilege and it's an honor that people allow me to come into their homes and into their lives in the last six months or less that they know that they're gonna be there. So even though people are weird and they give me great stories, I do want to have I do want everyone listening to know that I do respect the people that I've done.

SPEAKER_00 46:15

Yeah, she she does honest, honestly, like uh you know, everybody has frustrations with life and people and etc, etc. But uh no, you're always I I would say honestly, you've maintained an incredibly having done that for 12 years, I don't know how you're so positive.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

Well, there's a lot of change.

SPEAKER_00 46:36

But you've been, you know, obvious yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:39

Which helps, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 46:41

You mean uh turnover? There's a lot of turnover. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

In staff and patients.

SPEAKER_00 46:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:47

It's and and I only work there part-time, so I don't get the level of burnout as as I would as if I was a full-time hospice music therapist. It's a lot of driving. That's my least favorite part. I hate driving.

SPEAKER_00 47:02

I don't know. So the places she goes, and I'm not trying to uh again, like she was saying.

SPEAKER_02 47:09

We made our disclaimer. Yeah, we give her disclaimer.

SPEAKER_00 47:11

She goes in some pretty rough like like the places that you like if if you watch uh Pickers, American Pickers, yeah, and they're like climbing underneath just heaps of stuff, who knows what, and there's just animals everywhere everywhere, and that's I mean, how often do you go to a place like that? Like for real.

SPEAKER_02 47:32

You should ask me how often I go to a place that's not like that.

SPEAKER_00 47:35

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:36

Yeah. That's insane.

SPEAKER_02 47:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:39

How long did it take you to get used to that?

SPEAKER_02 47:44

I don't know. I don't know. I've never thought about it.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

Well, let me ask you this. Does think about like when you first started playing, and you like the first few times you walked into a place like that and you're just like, holy crap, like how much do you get locked in quicker to your instrument? Are you able to pull it together faster or does that affect you negatively as far as just getting in the song and just Oh yeah, I want to do my job and get out.

Tough Homes, Boundaries, And Safety

SPEAKER_02 48:08

Would you say you play better if it's a you know, um the grosser, the better fetid Moppet residence that's the residence of a fetid Moppet. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, there's definitely been some excuse me, some times where I say to myself, okay, this person is dying. You're here to provide them this calming, relaxing experience to make them feel comfortable and maybe help them along. And you you can stay you just try to get to 10 minutes. Just try to get it to 10 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 48:44

But you make a huge difference.

SPEAKER_02 48:45

I hope to.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

I think you do. Because a lot of I mean because you can well, oftentimes you end up playing there.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Yeah, I usually try to stay 30 minutes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:53

I mean you have in the past.

SPEAKER_02 48:54

I mean I know it's I've done a lot of funerals.

unknown 48:56

Man.

SPEAKER_00 48:57

Sometimes when I'm sitting on it, funerals episode.

SPEAKER_02 49:00

Sometimes I sit at a funeral and think, wow, I gotta stop coming to these.

SPEAKER_00 49:04

Yeah, well, people get freaking dying.

SPEAKER_02 49:06

And they're gonna keep doing that.

SPEAKER_00 49:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

All right. Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

All right. What well are you into let's let's uh Well, I wrote answers to these questions. Oh good. Okay, cool. So I'm just gonna go crack go down the list here. What's the furthest, most desolate place you've uh you've ever been?

SPEAKER_02 49:22

So everywhere where we live is pretty has some real pockets of furthest, most desolate uh qualifiers. Yeah. But I would say, you know, I I don't want to get I don't want to give out too much like detail, but we serve a f a five county area and they're all pretty poor counties.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

Like probably like the poorest, I'm sure. Bottom ten poorest six counties in Ohio, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:49

Um maybe some of those northeast ones are not like those ones that are have like inner city type of poverty. We don't have that, but we have a lot of poverty. So when I first started doing this, I had no idea how big the county that we live in is. Because I grew up here. I probably spent my time in maybe 15% of our county, and now I think I've been everywhere. And and there's some places that I went to that I thought, wow, I that was one of that this isn't exactly an answer to your earlier question about how long it took me to get used to people's houses. But I was like, I bet if the economy crashed, these people would never know. Like that's how I felt for a long time about a lot of places I went.

SPEAKER_00 50:32

They'd be like me when I found out about September 11th at like three in the afternoon. Oh my god. Because I've been sleeping all day.

SPEAKER_02 50:38

A version of that for sure. Yeah. But they're like, they're sort of living on canned food from the 70s and 80s. They don't really get out and go anywhere.

SPEAKER_00 50:46

They gotta take care of their pet deer.

SPEAKER_02 50:48

Yeah, that's later. Oh crap. You I can bring it up now if you want.

SPEAKER_00 50:51

I'm sorry, just I'm stepping on your no, keep going. You go.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

Um But I would say a lot of a lot of people that I've seen that are out in the middle of nowhere, they don't have really have driveways. I mean, you have to really consider what kind of vehicle you have. There's been a number of times when I was driving the Camry, does not have four-wheel drive, where parked at the end of the driveway and walked however long to the house. And if the weather is bad, and like everybody lives on a dirt road and it's just no neighbors.

SPEAKER_00 51:21

You go places without running water, don't you?

SPEAKER_02 51:23

I've been to somebody who was living in a camper connected to a trailer by several cables, but no like even facilities for running water in the camper, which is like a dry camper. Is that a word? Is that a thing?

SPEAKER_00 51:40

Sure, worse for me.

SPEAKER_02 51:41

Yeah. And uh that person is like here's a whole dignity thing. Like that person had to go use the bathroom while I was there behind a curtain, like two feet away from me, and he wanted me to keep singing. So I did.

SPEAKER_00 51:55

So tell me about tell me about that as best you can, like as from a performance standpoint. What is it like to sing for somebody who is dying and crapping right next to you, just with only Kitty Wells ghosts separating you?

SPEAKER_02 52:14

Well, I don't really ever think of what I do as performing.

SPEAKER_00 52:17

So that's people are like, what Kitty Wells. Sorry, what was Kitty Wells? Sorry, what was the Kitty Wells?

SPEAKER_02 52:21

You didn't like that I didn't comment on the Kitty Wells joke.

SPEAKER_00 52:24

No, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 52:25

Speaking of ghosts. Uh I'm not I'm honestly not thinking about it as performance. So yeah. I know, but I mean so I'll just just try to keep things real lighthearted in a situation like that because I mean you gotta go, you gotta go, you don't have anywhere to go, and I don't have anywhere to go unless I go back outside. Well, in like in that particular scenario, I walked in and I went into the trailer at first because I thought that's that was the residence, and there was like people just like people are like often openly doing drugs. But these were like drugs that I don't normally do.

SPEAKER_00 53:05

They're like rock stars, right? These are like lots of rock stars, yeah, actors, like A-less. They're to support you.

SPEAKER_02 53:11

A-less parties, after parties. Um and so and like the amount of people I don't know if this will come up in a question, but the amount of people who just open a door and let a stranger into their house and they don't acknowledge you, and they don't tell you where the patient's at. And I just like, hi, I'm Leslie, I'm a music therapist. Also, I don't cold call, I don't show up unannounced. Like I have talked to someone who has said yes, you can come at 3 30.

SPEAKER_00 53:38

Yeah, you guys have like a proper system.

SPEAKER_02 53:39

Yeah, like there's no me just showing up randomly. But it's like people just like they don't, it's like everybody's just kind of glazed over, the family members, and I finally find the patient. That's usually really a positive experience. And then I feel even better about what I'm doing because I feel like I'm making a comfortable environment and you know, providing a music experience for them. I mean, a lot of people don't have access to live music. That's the other thing I always remember. People don't a lot of people, especially these days, don't play instruments or have instruments.

SPEAKER_00 54:07

That's a good point.

SPEAKER_02 54:08

And so I think for a lot of people it's kind of an exciting thing that a person is coming into their house and playing and singing for them.

SPEAKER_00 54:16

I don't know why I've never thought of it. Yeah, it probably is pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_02 54:20

Well, because we play music.

SPEAKER_00 54:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:22

And you've always had access to whatever you wanted.

SPEAKER_00 54:25

Yeah, that's true. I mean, I've been I've been blessed. Um so scariest.

SPEAKER_02 54:32

Well, you skipped longest.

SPEAKER_00 54:34

Oh crap. Uh longest oh yeah, what's the longest somebody's been on uh the longest one I ever had was on for three years.

SPEAKER_02 54:40

Which is a really long time, and especially in that condition of that the this person was in where they were just bedbound for three years and unable to do anything, and just like like deteriorating, of course, because you have to be deteriorating to continue to qualify for hospice service. Every six months, yeah. You have to have a prognosis of six months or less. And but I mean like incrementally this person was. And I did write about the music for that one.

SPEAKER_00 55:08

Yeah. Because you got that's all how many I mean you gotta keep it. You start fresh for three years, right?

SPEAKER_02 55:13

Yeah, but I was but that's what I was gonna say is he had about three favorite songs. He wanted to hear El Paso. Marty Robins is like a five-minute song.

SPEAKER_00 55:24

It's like a Gordon Lightfoot uh song. It is, it's like, oh my gosh, there's a lot cool.

SPEAKER_02 55:28

The the chorus or whatever. What's he die again? There's no chorus, there's no repeating, except for the um No, there's no repeating words in that. But the um it does change, it it briefly goes to another key and comes back to a related from to a related key back to the original key. So I got really good at that one. He always cried when I did that one. He always wanted to hear Code of Many Colors, and then he would tell me the same story about getting a new coat from a box of rags, like literally.

SPEAKER_00 55:54

It's a Dolly Parton song. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Um I don't think I know that one.

SPEAKER_02 56:00

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_00 56:01

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 56:01

Oh man, it's probably like one of her top.

SPEAKER_00 56:04

I might have put her on a country's country is a serious blind story.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

Dolly is pretty badass.

SPEAKER_00 56:09

No, she is. I know I know she is. But everything I've learned about her, I'm like, she's like honestly She's the real deal. She's she's starting to get I I'm gonna put her up with like Chuck Norris as far as just like legend like reputation perception. Yeah, she's got this bit a bit of a mythos about her, and it's sounds well deserved, as Chuck Norris's does as well. But yeah, both of those folks they will obviously never die, but if they were well, they can come alive.

SPEAKER_02 56:38

They can they can come in any whatever condition, stuffed, alive, dead.

SPEAKER_00 56:42

Yep.

Scariest Visits And Getting Out Safely

SPEAKER_02 56:42

Um one thing though when you do the same songs every week, sometimes the people so like this particular person lived in a in a group home, and sometimes the people who work there forget that I'm not there to see them. Really?

SPEAKER_00 56:57

Like well, how often would you say like not weekly?

SPEAKER_02 57:00

I mean not I mean they feel not weekly for a decade straight.

SPEAKER_00 57:03

Right.

SPEAKER_02 57:03

Well that's actually not even what I'm talking about. I'm saying I'm saying that they forget that I'm not there to see them. And then so then I'll be like with this person that wants that it's their life and I'm there to serve them. And if they want to hear the same three songs, then I'm gonna do it. And sometimes the staff will be like, You play that song every week. That's right, and I'm gonna do it again next week, and you can go hang.

SPEAKER_00 57:28

Like So you can go hang.

SPEAKER_02 57:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:31

Been living down here a while.

SPEAKER_02 57:33

It's true. For my most of my life.

SPEAKER_00 57:37

So um three years. That's and then did she pass?

SPEAKER_02 57:42

He.

SPEAKER_00 57:42

He?

SPEAKER_02 57:43

He did pass.

SPEAKER_00 57:44

I think I know I think I remember this uh miss this person. Um scariest.

SPEAKER_02 57:51

I have a few scariests. So it's only me. I'm by myself when I go places.

SPEAKER_00 57:57

And which yes, does bother me when I think about it. I just tried to think about it, I don't know exactly what to do.

SPEAKER_02 58:03

Well, most people are happy to see me. I've never been like other than people being like not knowing why I'm there, which is confusing to me because somebody's told me to come. Right. I talked to someone in your house.

SPEAKER_00 58:16

Hi, this is Leslie, the music therapist.

SPEAKER_02 58:18

Shut up. That's how I talk on the phone.

SPEAKER_00 58:20

She's the friendliest person in the world.

SPEAKER_02 58:22

I hate making phone calls.

SPEAKER_00 58:23

It's great. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 58:24

And I somehow have a job where I have to do it every single day. That's right. And I'm often calling new people I've never talked to every day.

SPEAKER_00 58:30

You're just growing.

SPEAKER_02 58:31

I'm just really growing.

SPEAKER_00 58:32

Just growing.

SPEAKER_02 58:33

Can you sing that?

SPEAKER_00 58:34

Growing, we do it every day. Growing when we're sleeping, and even when we pray. Play, pray, pray, we pray too.

SPEAKER_02 58:42

I bet they weren't praying on Barney.

SPEAKER_00 58:44

No, I don't think I've ever seen that.

SPEAKER_02 58:45

Praying on Barney?

SPEAKER_00 58:46

So like a Christian Barney, like Veggie Tales meets Barney.

SPEAKER_02 58:48

Oh, I bet there was, yeah. Salty.

SPEAKER_00 58:51

Veggie Tales actually they had some they had some bangers, I gotta say. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 58:57

So um one time I had a student with me, like a college student who was doing a practicum, and we pulled him to a new house. And what?

SPEAKER_00 59:07

I'm just thinking just this must just blow their minds. I know. When they go to these.

SPEAKER_02 59:10

Especially when it when what's happening is catching up.

SPEAKER_00 59:13

Oh, oh yeah, keep keep going.

SPEAKER_02 59:15

So I okay, walk in, never been there before. There's well, we when we pull into the driveway, there's like two men outside like arguing and in a very like screaming at each other, and I'm just like, I don't want to get out of the car. So they finally get out of the car, and then like the one like gets in the his car and squeals out of there, tires squealing, dust flying, and the other one's like, She's in here. And like, okay. So I'm like, come on, student. So we go in, get in there, and he's like, Well, she's sleeping. I'm like, okay, well, do you not want us to wake her up? Because that's fine, we can leave. And in my mind, I'm like, please, I want to leave. Um, and uh then I look Down, and he's like, We'll sit here. So we sit down, and I look down, there's like a live gun just out on the table. And I mean, I'm not really scared of guns per se. I grew up with them, you have them. I'm I don't like them, right? But I'm not really that concerned about them. However, our guns are locked up, and when strangers come to our home, we don't leave guns out.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:21

Exceptingly violent ones.

unknown 1:00:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:23

Oh, oh, I see what you're saying. Sorry, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:25

Like if we had a hospice coming to our house and there's just a gun. So I didn't when he came, he was like, I don't know. I was like, you know what? We're gonna leave. And I like grabbed my student and like we're out of here.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:35

Smart.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:35

I mean, I didn't think he was gonna do anything to do. No, but why why what if that guy came back and then he was gonna shoot that guy up? You know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:43

That was super smart. I'm proud of you. I'm not dumb. No, you're not. So no, well, well, it's not even about the smarts there. People get so wrapped up in you know, they want to hurt this guy's feelings or whatever. Just get out of there. That's a yeah. And then Proudyah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:59

Um this I'm also gonna try not to give time stamps on anything, so try not to ask me when was that or anything like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:06

The um the serial killer visit?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:09

Oh, yes. I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:12

That place, can you help me think of a horror movie that we've seen where it's just like this empty feeling, like you they like get to a house and it's like like somebody might be like rocking in the corner and it's like everything's dirty and gray and dark. Can you can you help me think of a movie? You can come back to it, but just like think of like a horror movie where where maybe like a social worker has to go make a well child visit or something like that, like a well check on somebody.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:39

Yeah, uh, and House of a Thousand Corpses wasn't like that exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:42

But but even weapons when um when they had to go and it was kind of dark in there. That I mean that's how this guy opens the door. He's not his mother was the patient. And he doesn't he like opens the door and steps back, but like not enough for me to all come all the way in. And he just stands there, and then he goes out out of this little entryway and turns left. He's not really talking to me or anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:05

And you're by yourself, right? Yeah, of course you don't have a student with you.

Nonresponsive Patients And Family Dynamics

SPEAKER_02 1:02:08

I don't have no student with me, I'm just alone. And I turn left. Oh, and by the way, like I've passed like ten really, really lovely upper middle class homes. And I'm like, great, this is great. I'm gonna go to a clean house, and then I pull up to the house that's mine. I'm like, of course. It gets piled with trash and heads on spikes. Yes, basically. And I knew that of course this is the one. So and he like turns left, so I follow him, and then he's like, no, not this way. And I'm gonna be like, well, you didn't tell me what to do. I don't know what to do. So then I walk in to the right, and then the the patient was in in a hospital bed in the family room, which is what I would recommend if you have a patient, if you have a family member on hospice, don't try not to leave them in their bedrooms if it's possible for them to be out in a community area.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:54

Top tip.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:55

Top tip, that's my tip for the week. Yeah, it's a good tip. Um, so they're not isolated and alone. But this button this lady probably wanted to die because there's someone such a creep.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:07

Dang.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:08

He sat down, I he gave me a folding chair, and I sat down in it, and I had my guitar with me. But often I don't know how much room I'm gonna have in places, so I don't bring much with me on my first visit because it's just I'm just assessing all kinds of stuff. The patient, the environment, whatever. And he got a folding chair, and he sat so close to me that our legs were almost touching. And I was incredibly uncomfortable. And he did some weird stuff while I took my guitar case and put it between us. Like, I'm not no, you're not gonna like creep up, like get closer to me or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:44

Have you ever seen Desperado, dude?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:45

And then he had like really long fingernails and he was like clicking them. Oh, yeah. You would have punched them right. Yeah, those two ways, those noises, you would hate it. I was just like, and then she was she had dementia, the patient was. And so I'm like, I know people have dementia, but I still have to talk to them. Like, I still have to say, like, how are you? What kind of music do you like? Like, it's you know, treat them with of course.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:08

Respect, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:10

And he's just like, and then she would but she would answer, but I couldn't understand her. And a lot a lot of times in that situation, the family member will usually know what they're saying, and then they'll tell me, and I'll be like, Oh, okay, and then I'll turn back to the sorry to the patient. Well, he didn't say anything, and so I had to like look at him and be like, Do you know what she's saying? And he's like, No. So then he's writing the whole time I'm doing my session and trying to get anything out of her. And every time I started to sing, she started to cry. And so sometimes when stuff like that happens, I feel like it's not I'm not doing anything good, and so I don't want to prolong her feeling sad. And so I'm like, I think about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:45

Let's get this freaking gargoyle up here in the corner. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:48

And he's writing, scribbling away. And then when we were when I was like, I think I'm gonna call over today, you know, I'm um, you know, maybe I'll I'll I if you can think of anything else she might like that I can try differently than this, and he like handed me the what he'd actually been writing was like a list of songs that he thought she would like.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:03

Oh which is nice. That is nice, it's not like people to kill.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:07

But yeah, people I'm going to kill.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:09

It's like Steve McShivy.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:10

Billy Madison.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:11

So he um and then he was like, before he would like got out of my way to get out the door, he's like, I have a music stand. I'm like, so do I. He's like, Well, you can use mine next time. I'm like, no, if I bring in a music stand, I'll I'll decide that. Thank you. I was like, I just never bring and then I started to explain. I was like, you know what? I'll see you later. And then I found out from the nurse that he did the same thing to her. And like, I was like, hey guys, top tip. If it's gonna be creepy and you already know, please let me know before I go.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:38

Yeah. No, no, no kidding. I mean, you don't know if that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:41

But then I never did anything. Did they ever do it back there?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:43

Did they ever do background checks? Like they see if like they have any priors or not that I'm aware of sexual friends or anything like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:49

Not that I'm aware of. I think there's some legal.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:52

Well, there's been a lot of folks who you've told me like that. I mean, that's that's a more than a lot of people. That one stood out. Yeah, you have to just be with that guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:58

That's what I was gonna say is people, men particularly, in particular, really enjoy trying to make you feel uncomfortable. And I don't really think that was his game, but like men to just want to touch you or get close to you, and I'm just I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:14

Sorry on behalf of my uh Well, there's so many good men out there.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:18

I seem to run into a lot of the ones that are not, and it's like you're in their house, and then usually it's not the patient, it's usually like a creepy family member. And I just gotten really good at being like, please step back. You're standing too close to me. Please don't touch me.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:34

You got you got good at that in the psychiatric facilities.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:37

That's where I learned it. That's where I learned it.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:39

Literal uh murderers and rapists and they were sick. They were sick, I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:44

I'm not they I'm not defending what they did, I just want you to know.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:47

Yeah, but uh but the folks, you know, I think they did actually have violent past. To your point, you had to be assertive because you have no other option. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:57

And then the last scary one was that one time when I was there's like an area where there's been a bunch of strip mining. So there's roads, but they're not named. And I somehow ended up out on this crisscross of unnamed streets, and my GPS is not finding where I am, and then I finally found what looked like a little neighborhood, kind of like where we live, it's kind of out in the middle of nowhere, and like pulled in to kind of get reset, try to figure out where I was going, and I like this truck had been following me the whole time. It was it was the middle of the day, but I was getting a little creeped out, and then they pulled up next to me, so I rolled my window down because I was like, maybe they know where we are. And um, I rolled my window down, or he rolled his window down first, and so then I rolled mine down. He said, Do you know where we are? And I said, And like it was creepy, like the way he asked me, it was not what I expected to hear, and he had a weird look on his face, and I was like, Do you know where we are? And he was like, No, and I just rolled my window up and just took off because I felt like he was just messing with me and I did not like it.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:55

No, I mean this just when there's just no one else, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:58

It's like a desolate, I just get out of there.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:00

Yeah, it's it's just seen way too many freaking movies like that. Or and listen to enough true crime, and then honestly, if every time we tell me this crap, I want to get go with you get enraged. I need to get my I need to get certified. What is it? Uh four years and uh four years and five years. Five years.

Legacy Songs, Hoarding, And Equipment Choices

SPEAKER_02 1:08:19

You have to have every five years you have to have a.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:21

No, no, no, no. It's four-year degree. Do you have to get a master's now? No. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:25

No. They've been working towards that, but there's so many things you can do that a generalized master's is not gonna be that's that's the argument. It's like, should it be in a field? Like, should you get your master's in pediatric music therapy or psychiatric music therapy or whatever? And there's just not enough. There's also not enough of us in the field, probably, to justify keeping any you know, a huge number like making you have to get one.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:50

Oh, gosh.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:51

Uh, okay.

unknown 1:08:52

Cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:53

What about uh folks who are uh non-responsive? What do you do with it in that situation?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:59

Well, a lot of I mean that's a regular that's a regular thing for me. And so if they're by themselves, like if they're in a nursing home or something and they're just in their own room alone, then I'll just sit and play bedside for 15-20 minutes. If I get anything out of them. And and because research shows that hearing is like your last sense to go. So even if your patient looks like they can't hear or they're out of it or they're gone, they can still hear if they believe that.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:27

You ever see a change on the monitoring equipment?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:30

Like w when you are playing Well, here's the thing, most hospice patients are not on monitoring equipment.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:34

In the cancer center, though, you you have, don't you? But you like specifically will lower people's blood pressure.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:40

I'll lower it.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:41

Just watch.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:42

Uh it's the nurses will very occasionally ask me to come in and and sit and help somebody relax.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:49

When I get you all alone.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:51

Or even to start an IV or something, the more relaxed you are, the better chance you have of getting that done.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:57

That's super cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:58

Um, a lot of times they can be um unresponsive like literally because they're transitioning into like their final hours. Um and I see that a lot. Saw that yesterday. And usually sometimes they could be like unresponsive to music therapy, like they're fully alert, awake and alert, but they just don't really need the support and they don't really want it. And I you can usually tell. I mean, I do assessments every time I see somebody.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:29

And don't people is it their family members who are like electing?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:33

And sometimes well, I'm talking about like if if it was you, like you're alive and you can talk to me and you're like, I don't really want this.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:40

But I mean, like how'd they get there in the first place?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:42

Uh yeah, family might request it. Or um or sometimes a social worker will family just wanted to have a live performance in their house.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:48

That's right. I know you don't perform, but they think you do, trust me. That's true, I know. Um so uh do family members how often they jump in, like sing? To sing? Yeah, you ever do you ever get like nine people just like pretty going crazy in a room or anything?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:01

Not a lot. I would say that happens most of the time we have a hospice room in the hospital, and so that's where I see most of the families joining in. Um there's been times when the family's members are musicians, like our buddy Seth, his dad, was that one one time, and he was just great. Like it's fun to sing and play with other people that are Does it just make it so much better? Especially when like he wasn't trying to do anything. Like he's not trying to be like, oh, you know every song in the world, like kind of thing. Like he was just like, let's sing these hymns, and they'd like, oh, I know that she likes this, so let's do that. You know that one. So we just have a lot of fun, and like that's a great environment for the family too. So even if the patient's out of it and they can't respond or anything, like the it just creates a nice You probably feel good about them spending their five final hours that way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:52

Any uh anytime they how often people jump in with music with uh instruments?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:57

Rarely. Rarely. Um another a lot of times sometimes I'll get um people like staff, like if I'm in a lot of times I'm at home, but at uh at a home. But if I'm in a facility, then like staff who work there will often play along and sing along. And sometimes they do it like to be helpful, to help engage the people. Because like if I have a group, which I don't do for hospice, but if I have like geriatric group, I have some really good staff who will help me engage the 20 people. I can't get all 20 of them to be doing what I need them to do without help.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:41

Are sorry, are there hospice groups? That'd be kind of a odd. That sounds sort of like a weird situation to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:49

I don't run any.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:51

Did everybody who you know anybody who's dying? Yeah, hey. Can you get them? Can you get them to this place? Well, shoot calf's gonna be there. William Shatner may or may not be there.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:04

Sometimes though the there people, family members are can be very overbearing and staff, and I'll like ask a question. Like, I know that you know the answer to this question, nurse.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:16

So please don't answer it for the patient, but don't do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:20

No, I like having people in there sometimes, but um what um I this I don't like this question, but what like who's the youngest? What's the youngest patient you've had?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:29

That I've personally had. We've had on case load, we've had baby, we've had a baby. But um I have had I had a kid that was like eight, but he had he was so far into the last stages of his life by the time they put him on hospice, and that family was incredibly closed off, and I wasn't really able to kind of like get in there and build any type of relationship with them, and I just it didn't go anywhere. I only had one session, I didn't go back. Um, so the person I actually saw that actually had a decent relationship, at least with the family, was a 30-year-old man. And that, you know, like if you're young and healthy, but you have like a brain injury or something, like and your your heart and lungs are just gonna go forever.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:13

Did you write a song for that guy?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:16

I did.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:17

Okay. Yeah. That's like that was a legit song. Like it was um I mean, you spent you spent several hours on that.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:28

I yeah, I can't even remember how it went though.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:30

I got an idea.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:32

Can you try to remember?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:33

Uh it was like you were t you were telling a story about his life.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:36

And like how he was a great he was a great m was a great mechanic. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And uh it was good. I mean, it was a good song.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:44

And it was we call those legacy projects. So that's something the family can have after the patient dies. Oh, so you record and they Yeah, I don't know that I actually ever got around to recording. I don't know that I ever really went back to that person. I think I saw that person a couple times. I spent a lot of time talking to the family, which is how I got the information for the song.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:00

How do you get to that point where you're doing a legacy project? Like like because you don't do that with everybody, right? It's kind of rare, isn't it? Most people. Right.

Animals, A House Deer, And Hygiene

SPEAKER_02 1:15:08

Um, you can tell. You can tell, I don't know, if people are like if if the family's into it, if the if they'll talk a lot about like if they want to talk a lot about their family member, then I might say, like, hey, would you care if I wrote some of this down, put it into a song you guys can have? And then of course they always want that. And then same thing, like like if the if I have a patient that's a storyteller. I've had several of those. Remember when I wrote Those Kids? Yeah. That guy was a storyteller, and he pretty much wrote the song, the lyrics anyway.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:42

Not a bad song.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:43

Yeah, it was a good one.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:44

The full armor of God.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:45

Uh-huh. Oh, that was lady was so sweet. We wrote our own hymn. Um, so yeah. The people I work with do a lot of the work coming up with the words and the and the content.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:58

Yeah, but you gotta know how to make it sound like a song somewhere within.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:01

We learned that in school.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:02

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm I'm trying to legitimize it here. Thank you. Let's roll roll with me here.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:08

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:09

Uh, what about you kind of talked about hoarders, because that's a big thing, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:14

Oh yeah. I mean the amount of houses.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:15

Any standouts?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:16

Well, just there's just houses where people just Oh, the one lady who I couldn't even the this space that you and I are in, so if you're not on YouTube, go look at it while we're on YouTube. Like this is the space that she had. And everything else was box on box on box or dishes on I mean just like an episode from Porter's. She was the worst.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:42

And she looked a sweet, she was a sweet woman though.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:46

And I wanted to call Home Shopping Network.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:48

She didn't say though, as if you can't, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:50

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:51

Obviously, everyone else who's lived like that is a piece of trash.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:54

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:54

Just like their house.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:56

I wanted to call Home Shopping Network and tell them that they should be ashamed of themselves because she couldn't stop buying stuff, and they would call her and let her know that they had new whatevers. Oh, that made me so and they I mean while I was there, like I witnessed it happen. I was just really wanted to grab the phone and be like, you asshole.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:14

You know who oh praying on older. This is a family show. I mean we're not allowed to say that.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:17

Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:18

Hey, you know who uh didn't Mike Rowe used to do that?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:21

Pray on elderly?

unknown 1:17:22

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:23

I don't know if I don't think that's I don't think those are his words. No, he was uh QVC.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:28

Uh oh yeah, he was just like a host.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:30

That's how he probably didn't get on the phone.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:32

I bet he didn't cold call old people to see if they would buy anything from him. Um but yeah, when I you wrote Biggest Hoarder, I wrote get in line.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:42

Yeah. Like they're all So do you what when you tr when you choose in what you're gonna do, are there any like whatever equipment uh decisions? Like you can't bring a panel.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:54

That's why I was saying like earlier, I d I love I would much rather bring my keyboard in than a guitar and just more versatile on my keyboard.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:01

Plus you get hurt more on the guitar, don't you?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:03

Oh, yeah, I have that shoulder thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:04

Oh yeah, but it's a legit it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:07

But there's nowhere to put any of that stuff. A lot of times. So just and sometimes like if I know in advance that like the home might have bed bugs, I don't even take my case in, I just put my guitar on and carry it, and I don't take any music with me, and I just hope that we can do some country and some gospel. Remembering because I don't want to take all that stuff out.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:27

Have you ever played they brought a Q chord into a place like that?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:30

I don't have a Q chord anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:32

We gotta get a Q chord.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:33

I don't think they make them anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:35

No one makes a Q chord?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:36

Well it was Suzuki that made them.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:38

Why would they stop making Q chords?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:40

No, remember when we went to the Flight of Con of the Concords? He had a Q chord. Yeah, that was a great show, actually.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:45

That was a really good show. I enjoy that. They're great musicians.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:48

So if you don't know what a Q chord is, you should look it up. It's a electronic auto harp. A lot of fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:53

And if you don't know what an electronic auto harp is.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:56

Do you know what an auto harp is? Do you?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:59

Uh no. I mean, yeah, it's a cue chord. The cue chord's a type of one.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:04

It's a it's an electronic version.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:06

I don't know how to define it, no, but I I can- So it's like a flat uh do you know what a dulcimer looks like?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:12

Well, imagine a dulcimer like in an oval format. Or I don't know, they're kind of what's this shape? Teardrop shaped, maybe?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:21

And they have strings across them, like a harp strung like a harp, kind of, or back and forth. Almost like a piano, more like. If you've ever looked at the inside of a grand piano, you can see the strings going opposite directions.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:32

Huh. Oh yeah. I know you're talking about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:34

So that's what it looks like on a small scale. But then there's a bunch of buttons that you just push the A button and it pushes down all the things it needs to to make all those strings ring. An A chord. And then you strum the strings.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:47

Like a Q chord.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:48

Yep. Yep. Anyway, back to the code.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:50

But that is what a Q chord.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:51

Yes, but a Q chord is a is a later design. It's an electronic version. And so it's a touch-sensitive plate that you strum instead of strings.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:02

Oh, that's what makes it a Q chord?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:05

So Q is a type of plate.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:09

I have no idea why it's called a Q cord. But it is an electronic auto heart.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:14

It'd be freaking cool if a Q played one on the card. What happened to our Q cord?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:18

Did they get peed on? That cat in the garage?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:21

By me. I know I didn't pee on it. It wasn't me either, but I think something peed on it.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:26

The garage cat. The one you ran over?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:28

Yeah, Andrew. That's why I ran over him.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:29

Oh yeah, because he rode our cue cord.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:31

See, that was a nice cue cord.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:32

Me and my keyboard knee.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:37

That cat didn't even know what a daughter harp was. I'm glad he's dead.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:40

Me too.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:41

He wasn't not even on hospice. No time.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:44

So speaking of animals.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:46

Oh my god. How about you seen some uh some uh you have your very typical cat?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:53

You smell you ever smell any of them?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:54

All of them. Shut up, you're just saying that. It'll make you it'll make you sick. Like like allergies, like your eyes will run and your nose will run and your throat will hurt, and you will it will take you hours to recover from all the dander and pee that is just built up in people's carpets. It's just is this a bad episode? I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:19

No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:20

Like I said at the top, I do love all my patients. And then not everyone is like that. 13 years I've selected a lot of stories.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:28

Doesn't have to be there.

Requests, Repertoire Shifts, And Elvis

SPEAKER_02 1:21:29

Doesn't have to be there. Um so there's like lots of um stereotypical indoor animals where people just don't clean up after them. Yeah. But I would say the craziest thing was the deer. So I was sitting in the it was actually the people that uh the first house I ever went to when I thought if the economy collapses, these people will never know. I was at their house. And it will become clear to you why I thought that. Because I'm sitting in their family room and out from the bedroom it's like six to ten feet away from me, walks a deer like a small deer, like a young deer.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:08

And I was just like handsome.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:11

And this was like probably my first year, would you say? First deer, my first year of working. What'd you say though? Was that early on?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:20

In in hospice? Yeah, yeah, it was very very early on. Yes. And then I was like, oh my god, because it was on it was on the road where we used to go out to daycare, and I think you told me.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:30

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:31

It was out there. I think you were like the deer house was way.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:34

Roads and roads off of the road.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:36

But what I'm saying is it's about the time that we're going daycare. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:40

Well, do you remember have you seen Sweet Home Alabama where Reese Wellerspin's like, you have a baby in a bar? Yeah. Well, that's how I felt because it like walked out, and I was like, You have a deer inside your house. And they were like, Yeah, we had we're just trying to s to help her out. She got hit by a car, and I think her mom died, and and then the deer turns around and it had like a gaping eight-inch wound on its side, and I was just like, uh this is unbelievable. Is this real? I'm sure I came right over.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:18

Those things are not cute in the eyes, are they?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:20

No, they're dead.

unknown 1:23:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:22

Deers are kind of dead in the eyes. Sorry, sorry if you like deers.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:27

Well, I think you just say deer, right? And I'm sorry. You've been working hospice and Southeast Noah for the thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:38

If you like deer, you say deers.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:40

Is that right?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:41

That's what I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:42

Is that a thing?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:42

That's what I think. Sweet little deers.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:45

Oh, oh, that you know that does sound right now that you say it like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:49

I think you're my sweet little deer.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:50

There's been a lot of mean dogs.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:52

Oh yeah. Yeah. You ever been uh I know you haven't been attacked?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:55

Well, do you remember me telling you about the one that was like half wolf? This was in the more recent past.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:01

And then two dogs got into it, like right in front of me. That was scary. I'm not even scared of dogs. I love dogs. Like I usually try to project like I love you, I'm not gonna hurt you.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:12

And like some they'll usually Don't you uh don't you like to pick them up by the paw and go lick their paw?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:17

Lick their paw. Yeah. Who does that again? Um Danny Glover. No George Cloney? George Clinton.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:30

I would never be a farmman fan.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:31

I would never lick the paw of a wild animal.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:33

Danny Glover maybe being the predator two days. He might he maybe he was he was out there getting crazy like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:39

Yeah, I haven't seen anything that tops the deer.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:43

That's a pretty wild thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:44

Yeah. They're just like, yeah, that's and I'm just like, and in my like, I had to go back.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:51

Like Bob Ross used to apparently take care of deer and things like that, but they probably weren't in his kitchen.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:56

Well, I also wanted to be like, what are you doing to nurse this deer back to health?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:59

Also, yeah, this infection looks pretty serious.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:02

I wrote them a pretty banging song. You remember that one?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:04

I don't.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:05

It was love at first. Oh, yeah. When I saw her that night. And I knew she was my something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:15

I know you could sing that because we don't have to worry about Ingrid Michael's.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:23

Um That's pretty. Yeah, that was a pretty one. So, anything else you want to ask me?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:29

Uh I don't need to get the poorest, wealthiest. Have you ever been in a place that was just like, holy crap, this this is you know, a Bel Air type uh I know we don't have any around here, but you know, yeah the the how the houses usually go to. Have you ever been to a place that is like just in like nice you know, like a rapper's house?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:50

No. But I have been in really nice places, but nothing Were you with Tupac when he died? Was he in the hospice for that like few seconds he was on the sidewalk when he got shot?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:06

No, he was in um he was in a club in the C UV with Suge Knight? Oh well, should we talk about that?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:14

I'm too scared of Sug Knight.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:16

He's in prison right now, I believe.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:17

Yeah, that doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:19

His reach is I've seen Cape Fear recently. Do you think do you think Suge Knight will have a scene with me where I go down and I'm I'm by the I'm in the where you do what? I'm in the the well I'm not a I'm not a cellmate. But I go, maybe he's maybe he's in a uh director's outfit.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:37

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:37

Like a theater teacher's garb. And I go down there and he puts his thumb in my mouth.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:43

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:44

Is that what you're afraid's gonna happen?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:45

Yeah, I was afraid of that. I'm afraid of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:47

I don't I'm honestly not that scared of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:50

It sounds pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:51

It doesn't sound good, but I want to see where it's going.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:53

Listen, back to the the order of whether or not your house is clean. I mean, nice. I just another tip. It doesn't matter how much money you have. You can keep your house clean.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:04

That's a good tip.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:06

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:06

I need to do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:07

And I've been in many lovely teeny tiny homes, many lovely well-kept trailers, large homes, small homes. I've been in a nice-ish camper.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:19

Not the one I was talking about earlier, but if I could say you are married to someone whose house would look like that if you weren't living in it.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:27

That's correct. See, no judgment here. We're all capable of uh hoarding.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:33

All sorts of things.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:34

Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:35

Um and sometimes you can just tell that people are um oh, remember the terrible horror movie dog that was like just whining and crying and rubbing its body all over the ground. And they just thought it was cute. Yeah. And I didn't know it was dying. Oh. And there was fly poop built up on the picture frame in a little mountain.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:57

I don't know if I don't know if I've ever seen that much fly poop before.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:01

I never have, and I hope to never. See those little black dots?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:05

Yeah, it was just like a build-up of centuries of fly.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:11

Do you think that's worth anything?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:14

I will say.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:14

Is there any good application?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:16

Like any what you can do with that?

No Doubt’s Bathwater: Covers And B-Sides

SPEAKER_00 1:28:18

Yeah. Maybe some sort of like very special idea.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:20

I think Graham Hancock could help us out with that.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:23

Graham Hancock?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:25

With flight flying, you know, ancient. Oh. Oh, yeah, that yeah, now it's a good one. Application.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:31

I thought that's what you were talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:34

Did I bring up Graham Hancock or did you?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:36

I did. But you said like something about Oh, make a ritual of some kind? I don't know what you said. I'll have to go back and listen.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:43

I don't remember saying that would bring that up, but I'm actually flattered that you think I would be capable of a level of depth.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:51

Yeah. You're capable of a deep level of depth.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:55

Well, uh but uh would you say about as deep as a most of the time about as deep as a bathtub? Bathtub?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:03

Bathtub?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:04

Bathwater?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:05

Someone else's bathwater?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:06

Someone else's? What do you know about bathwater? What you know? Have you ever done bathwater for a hospice?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:12

No, I just recently learned it. I mean, I've always been able to sing along to it, but as far as learning the music, that was just, you know, a couple weeks ago.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:20

Real quick, one more question I want to ask about hospice. Um have you noticed a 12-year shift as a whole in new songs? What songs are requesting?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:31

Yeah, we're moving into the late 50s and 60s now.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:35

Gotcha. That's my that's my ideam.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:37

And we're getting a bit more of what would be like oldies sprinkled in.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:41

I've noticed that.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:42

A little less, you know, Hank Sr. A little less Johnny Cash.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:47

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:48

A little bit more Roy Orbison and all those boy band boy groups.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:53

Do you get much Elvis?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:55

Elvis is very polarizing. People uh love him or they hate him. Him. There's no casual Elvis fan. I'm sure that's wrong, but I would actually consider myself to be a casual Elvis fan. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:08

Saying it.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:09

Would you request it if you had like limited?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:12

I would request uh if I could dream.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:15

I tried to learn that. I could not get it.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:17

I love that song so much. He's all over the place in that song. I freaking love that song. It's so cheap. It's so silly, but I love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:26

Do you know what my favorite Elvis song is? I have two, but the favorite. Kentucky Rain? Yeah, my favorite favorite is Kentucky Rain. But you know what my second favorite is?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:37

Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:38

Hmm. We'll make noise while he thinks.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:41

I No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:43

It's Suspicious Minds.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:44

Oh, that's a great tune. That is a really good song.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:46

I love the like bridge. It's totally different than the rest of the song.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:52

Well, you know what? I'm nodding. I'm trying to think of what the bridge is.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:55

Um well uh Don't Let our love die. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:02

Would you let a good thing die?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:04

Yeah, and then it gets back pop poppy.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:07

Slows down. So uh yeah, so no doubt. We're at a no doubt concert. So no doubt. Well, you know when No Doubt came out, the Tragic Kingdom episode episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:16

Have we done one album? We've done a lot of these so far. This is one eighth.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:22

Well, when that album came out, I didn't listen to it at all. I didn't even know about it. I do remember my friend Sarah was kind of into it, but I didn't have uh That was Spiderweb and I'm just a girl on it or something. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:35

Um that was their like splash.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:37

I definitely knew the hits because that would have been I think it was there were a lot of hits on that.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:41

I think there were three or four radio plays on that album.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:44

Well, I remember I think I might have heard that song in eighth grade, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:47

Yeah. We were in seventh grade, I think, when it came out. So Tragic Kingdom.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:52

I thought it was pretty cool. I was like, wow, this is and then I saw her and I was like no doubt. I think I think I might. Yeah, yeah, interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:01

And then I don't know if they had an album between that and Bathwater. I mean um Return to Saturn, which is what Bathwater is from.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:10

I thought I read they had. Oh, maybe they didn't. I don't know. I don't know either. Sorry, we don't know. They did uh I knew Gwen Stefani from um I was I still am, but I was a huge Sublime fan in high school.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:23

Did she get kind of started off with them?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:26

No, no, I wouldn't say so, but uh no, but Sublime, well they got kind of started, yeah. Actually, in the strictest sense, yes, because they were both Sublime and No Doubt were both like SoCal, like Southern California, if you don't mind. SoCal, that's where if you're from there, Glindora. What years have I lived there? Anyways, um I definitely was not hanging out with Bradley and Gwen, but they were both kind of getting going. Um, both those bands were getting going around the same time, and they used to kind of be at the same gigs. So and they actually did a song together. So I was gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna step on what I was going for, but if I was gonna We like to add kind of little sort of category category, some talking points, rapid fire.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:12

Some extra format of things.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:13

This is a new one. This is the you know, what's a good what'd be a good B side if this was a single? Was this a single?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:20

I don't think it was. I don't think it was, but I don't think I just looked it up. Return of Saturn was the album after, but it was a five-year gap between Tragic Kingdom and that. And then immediately after that is when they went pop sell out with I don't I I'll be honest with you, I don't hate that song.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:41

Yeah, but it's but I don't love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:43

Yeah, and then she went full on Crazy Town with her B A N A N S. She's such a good singer.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:50

I don't know why she's I hope I'm probably gonna pay for the side. She's happy and has a great life, yeah. Whatever. Um but I was gonna say Saul Red. Saul Red is the have you heard that?

SPEAKER_02 1:34:02

Can you sing a little of it?

SPEAKER_00 1:34:03

Um it's a every day I love him just a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit more. And then Saul Red. And basically they keep going back and forth. Bradley from Sublime, and it's on Robin the Hood, which is a Sublime album. It's kind of a I actually love the album, but only because I'm a huge Sublime fan. But it's it's definitely the probably the least accessible. Like, I don't know if it has any, I can't remember if it has a hit on it.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:32

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:32

Um it's the one that okay, you know Raleigh? You know that no, you don't, of course.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:37

You know, remember Of course you don't know anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:38

You remember I made you listen to a guy giving a soliloquy, just a very mentally ill man, and he just goes off for like five minutes. That's on that album. That album consists of th him doing that three times. Three monologues from that guy. So it's that kind of album.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:56

I I don't feel that that's very accessible.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:57

But it's got Gwen Stefani on it. It's a pretty cool tune. And we should cover it actually.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:01

All right.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:01

Anyways, that's so I heard her. She went up. My stock her stock went up when I heard it.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:07

Is that your B side?

SPEAKER_00 1:35:08

That's my B side too. Yeah.

Style, Swing Vibes, And Alternate Arrangements

SPEAKER_02 1:35:09

Okay, well, my B side is well, we it's based on the version we did. So we slowed it way, way down. Because it makes a great, like, I don't know, ballad.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:22

Kind of a slimy, like New Orleans, sultry kind of a thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:26

Jazzy, a bit jazzy. Um and I feel like that's the mark of a really good song.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:33

It's a good, it's a really good, it is a really good song. But I mean the fact that you can take away it's some stuff about it and we didn't still really see organ or whatever was going on there.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:47

Anyway, so my so because we slowed it down and made it a bit more jazzy. I thought that Feeling Good by Nina Simone would be a good one.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:56

Do I know that song?

SPEAKER_02 1:35:57

Birds lying in the sky. You know how I feel. Mm-hmm. You know how I feel. I don't know. Should I know it?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:09

She sings I put a spell on you, and now you're you know that.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:14

I know um Credence version of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:19

But uh how does that go? Similar to how you say.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:24

She sings it real bluesy. You should listen to feeling good. It's great. Okay, that's okay. It's kind of a big band feel, like a big band jazz feel.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:33

So I kind of missed this. So this was kind of at the tail end, bathwater was kind of the tail end of the whole swing renaissance that happened for like a year.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:41

Oh, I was in what was the cherry pop and daddy?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:44

Yeah, cherry pop and daddy's and like big bad voodoo daddy. I had their stuff. I'm gonna be honest, I didn't hate that.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:51

I love it. I thought it was cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:53

People playing instruments, you know how I am about that.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:55

I don't care if it's a fad. It's just like, yeah, it's a good one.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:58

You're playing trumpets. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:00

Yeah, I I was so I mean I wouldn't necessarily put that in. It kind of meets the it's it's got the it's got the swing sort of feel to it, but it's got like a kind of a greasy, jazzy vibe to it also. I like to sing in a minor creepy tune on our Halloween.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:22

In on in honor.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:23

In honor.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:24

The words are kind of um it's pretty intimate, actually.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:28

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:28

Well, that's actually so not in a like a non-family friendly way.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:32

Well, speaking of the words, Saul Red is kind of about an unhealthy uh relationship relationship. So that's another reason I thought they go well. Um but anyways, it's incredibly unhealthy. This guy does nuts. This guy sounds like maybe uh the dude who wanted to sit next to you and that uh he's just got he's really into the ladies.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:50

Yeah. Probably wants to wear their skin.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:52

Didn't you have didn't you go see a guy who had 30 kids with 30 different women?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:57

And I won't say a characteristic about them, but we got it.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:59

Yeah, you probably shouldn't say anything more about that.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:01

Yeah. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:02

No, I think it was closer to the 40 range of children.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:04

Was it ODB?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:07

Does that mean old dirty B.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:11

Older they bastard live and uncut.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:13

He was not.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:14

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:14

Couldn't do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:16

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:17

Um, what basketball player is it that had all those kids?

SPEAKER_00 1:38:21

Sean Kemp. No. Sean Kemp has a few kids.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:24

Or am I just thinking of someone who like had like uh lots of relations with lots of women.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:29

Oh, Will Chamberlain. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:31

You know, um amazingly from foster song for imaginary?

SPEAKER_00 1:38:34

20,000 kids, not a s or 20,000 women, not a single child.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:38

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:39

It was uh very safe.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:42

I wonder about that.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:44

Magic Johnson needed to take a little uh let's not get into that.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:48

You know what? Let's not talk about the NBA.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:50

Oh, although I do yeah, we'll we'll do a NBA episode, it'll be great.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:54

I'll have to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:54

I was thinking I was actually gonna go into Easy E and Magic Johnson and how they might have acquired that disease because it's some interesting information there.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:02

Back to the way we did Bathwater. Flamenco, like a slow Spanish guitar.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:09

You're saying you'd like to hear that?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:10

Well, that's what I want that's kind of where I wanted you to go with it, and you got there.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:14

Yeah, that's a tricky style to play. I kind of wanted to do like the there's something flamenco guitar players do, and uh the only reason I know this is because like I heard somebody do it on the version of Mood for a Day, which by Steve Howe, which is a sick song that I can't play. But they kind of do this that sort of speaking of Desperado, right? But I was trying, I started to do like a kind of kind of that cutting it off, but it there's too much guitar noise, and I'm not sure how it sounds, and I'm just I wasn't that comfortable with it.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:45

Scared. Yeah, but anyway, it had a real Spanish feel to it.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:50

But yeah, the Spanish feel. Herb Alpert could probably crush that instrumental version of that song.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:55

I actually think that a lot of the songs on that album are really good.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:02

Ex-girlfriend, oh yeah, always new. It's pretty good too. Yeah. And then there's one where she's I think it's called something about birth control, contraception, or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:13

Does she do a talk is a talk does she do a talk talk song? Um This is my It's My Life.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:19

That's on that next pop more pop sounding album.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:21

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:24

Talk talk was a pretty good band. I'm gonna I'm gonna bring you springs, springs. Anyways, yeah, I'll bring it up. I'll maybe I'll listen to it this week.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:33

Anything else you want to say? Because we have hit 90 plus 10 minutes. Could we go 100 minutes?

Music Theory: Minor To Major Moves

SPEAKER_00 1:40:39

Real quick, could we say, yeah, you're right. Uh five more minutes.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:43

Could you tell what's in what's interesting about this song in terms of music theory? Is it what's it what's the bee what's going on with the B?

SPEAKER_02 1:40:50

Oh, hold on. It's in E minor.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:52

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:53

And it's in the melodic minor because it raises the seventh. It's in the harmonic minor, sorry. It only raises the seventh. It doesn't also raise the minority. Like green size. I don't know. But let me finish. Oh, sorry. Then it goes to the relative major for the chorus. So it's in G major in the chorus.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:17

How about when the C happens? What's going on there?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:20

That's part of the G, the relative major. What happens to get you back to the B though, or to the E is the B. The B is not, the B major is not part of the G.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:28

I like the B.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:29

And they use the B because it's the five of E. And you want if you want to get back to a key, use the five of that key.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:38

Well, we're talking five of five?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:40

It's not a five of five.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:42

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:42

Five of five would be an F sharp major when there's none of those in the and an A, and we have A minors.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:51

The only chord that they use that technically doesn't go is when they're transitioning from the relative major of G major back to the minor of E, which would have a B major.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:04

Oh gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:05

And it would be B minor and G.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:06

So Was this the song hard to sing?

SPEAKER_02 1:42:11

There are parts of it, yes, that are hard to sing. But part of that I feel like with practice wouldn't I would answer differently.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:18

I'll be honest with you. I it's hard to play. It's hard, it was hard for me to play that slowly.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:24

She's the instrument in that. The melodic line is doing what you want to do. I would take away your guitar solo. You had to do something different.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:35

Yeah, it's it's it's a it's a good experience for me to play on a song like that. But it even just the s even just the tempo of how we played it was like I was thinking like, am I still on beat here?

SPEAKER_02 1:42:48

You know you were, and we actually did a good job of not speeding up too much.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:51

Good. Um, if you could hear anybody cover this song, who would it be?

SPEAKER_02 1:42:58

I don't know. You always I forgot, I always forget to think about that. Do you have one?

SPEAKER_00 1:43:02

Yeah, I I was thinking about it. I I'd like to hear uh Hepcat do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:07

All right.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:07

I think Hepcat would crush this song.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:09

You always stay in the genre. I'm always trying to think of someone else.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:11

Well, no, I don't always stay in the genre, but I know what you mean. Yeah, in this case I certainly am. But Hepcat is like they're like one of my favorite bands, but definitely if you could say How about Paramour? Ooh, yeah. Oh, that'd be great.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:28

It's like a modern version of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:30

She's got some serious early Gwen Stefani energy.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:34

And I honestly I think she's got a better voice.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:37

It's prettier. I mean, Gwen Stefani's voice is kind of interesting. Yeah. I would not say that it's pretty per se.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:44

No. No. It's cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:46

But she can do some stuff with it. I can't even begin to do with mine. So everybody's different.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:50

What's the par do you know the paramour? I can't remember her name.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:53

I'm gonna look it up though.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:54

Well, Hebcat though, they do they do a lot of songs that sound like this. I wouldn't say that sound just like this, but they're all well the ones that are still living are oh they're they can definitely come. Dustin Berry will be. For sure. Yeah. Um they're all top, they're all very good musicians. Like some of those guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:12

Hayley Williams.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:13

Oh, okay. That sounds right. Sounds familiar, I mean. Um but they got a lot of they got they they often do like three-part harmonies on their songs, and they could do, I'm sure they do all sorts of really cool stuff with it. Um how about uh what would you like to see it uh featured in in a soundtrack?

SPEAKER_02 1:44:30

Well, it would be great in um is it Fatal Attraction where she like cuts herself. Is that is that the one where he's having an affair?

SPEAKER_00 1:44:42

Wait, what am I thinking of? Sleeping with the enemy, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:45

This one he's having an affair, and when he tries to cut it off with her, then she starts going nuts. That it would be great in that.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:52

A little uh self-harm montage. That's terrible.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:56

Well, I mean it's uh it would fit with that. Yeah, this would be maybe a a a re a reboot. Uh I'm gonna go with uh I was thinking the Sandman Desire. I feel like this would be a great desire scene. Yeah, you know, that is a very uh interesting character.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:23

Yeah, he's weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:25

I uh don't know what to think about him.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:28

I kind of like him also. Yeah, he's yeah. Um but the that diner, that diner episode was You love that one. Yeah, I I want to watch that again. I want to talk about that. I want to do a whole episode about it. Um have you ever used that expression, a colloquialism or idiom or whatever you call it, adage of bathwater? Of uh bathing in someone's bathwater?

SPEAKER_02 1:45:52

No, I only throw the baby out with the bathwater is the only thing I've ever heard.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:55

It's I'm not saying it right, but it is something people it's it is an old time term for um Like when you who gets to go next in the bath? Yeah, it's very literal.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:07

Maybe that's where it came from. You don't know. You weren't there.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:10

No, for loving for uh for loving your significant other even through their imperfections.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:17

Hmm. I don't think that's what it means in this song though.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:20

Um yeah, I would say. Uh no, no, no. I'm making it sound too sweet. It's like an in almost like in an unhealthy way. Like you keep going back to their best dirty water. Yeah because yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:31

You'll take whatever you can get. That's what I was thinking of.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:34

Exactly. I like the sweeter version though.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:36

I think maybe you do love them through their imperfections.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:38

I'd like for uh yeah, I'd like for Lou Ross to cover it. Uh and then do one do one of his things in the oh, what's this name of the song? He's like Oh, what's that? He's like pretending to be on the phone. He's like, oh baby, I'll be home at six o'clock. Oh, you know I can't wait. You know, he's a with the type of dude who could just talk. And then it goes into this I love his he's the best voice, maybe ever.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:04

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:04

Yeah. Lou Ross.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:06

I'll need to take some listening to him.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:07

We need to do Bring It On Home to Me with Lou Ross, Sam Cook.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:12

Is that the one you and Caroline were singing?

SPEAKER_00 1:47:15

Yeah, we did do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:16

Or change is gonna come. No, that's what it was. Change is gonna come. You two should do that on here.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:20

Oh, yeah. That's good. Anything else you want to say about Bathwater?

SPEAKER_02 1:47:24

No, it's a great song.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:26

Hey guys, uh, make sure you if you'd like to see our cover of Bathwater.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:30

The doors are opening to the YouTube link in the show notes. Look at that. It's like we're really there. It's time to go to the concert.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:38

All right, yeah, but check us out on YouTube. The audience will like it. Uh I've I've been putting descriptions, links to our YouTube channel in the podcast descriptions.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:46

Like our like it and subscribe to it and download it and only say nice things.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:52

Give us good ratings.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:53

If uh if you feel like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:54

If you're gonna comment, don't say anything. Don't if you can't say anything nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:58

Someday we should do like a do we ever want to take requests? We're ever doing that. Oh. Well, but what if we did it where like if you do a rating, you get in a no, because then all we'll be doing is requests.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:12

It sounds like people are just buying our like we're buying their love.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:15

That's right. I did say it in the beginning. If we get to a point, I'd say once we get a hundred subscribers, there will be one person.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:30

We've already had two requests.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:33

Absolutely live for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:34

We don't have a hundred subscribers and we've already had two requests.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:37

Yes, that's true. So, yes, I absolutely do think that, yeah.

unknown 1:48:41

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:42

Anyway, weird people out there. Not the two requesters, just what's uh what's to come.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:49

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:49

If you've learned anything from today's topic, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:52

Well, hey, there's a lot of weird people out there. For you weirdos out there, I can't wait to swim in your bathwater. Drink it, maybe even.

Closing Bits, YouTube Plug, And Sign-Off

SPEAKER_02 1:48:59

Sing at your bedside.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:03

I want to sing at your bedside. I want to drink your bathwater. I want to bet your deer.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:10

Oh my gosh, I want to put my fingers in his wound. Is that bad?

SPEAKER_00 1:49:16

No, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:18

In a loving with antibiotic cream on them.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:21

Of course. Yeah. You're such a little carer.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:25

Little nurse.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:25

Little nurse.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:26

Little music nurse.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:30

I'm here to figure.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:32

Um no, don't say that. I'm sorry I said it. Can you cut this part off? All right, we're done. Hey, you guys have a wonderful time.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:40

I gotta eat too. And uh deer to feed. And I'm gonna nurse by to help. Okay, and goodbye. Love you very much, and we are out, and that's a wrap.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:53

All right, we'll see you next week. Bye.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:56

Same time, same place. Oh we forgot to talk about the douche and uh in Parks of Rec.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:03

We forgot to talk about who's the who's on there with him.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:07

It doesn't matter. You guys have a great week.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:10

You guys have a great week for some.