Two Married Nerds Walk Into A Dimension… Then Cover A Biker Ballad | Ep 19

Two married hosts chase curiosity across dimensions, from a war movie’s spike of adrenaline to a Victorian satire’s mind-bend and a girl-group classic’s theatrical punch. We compare three Flatland films, argue over adaptations, and close with a jangly, joyful cover.

• cold open with singing and show premise
• quick hits in corrections corner across music, TV, and trivia
• The Deer Hunter scene analysis and score talk
• Off To Be The Wizard and game-save hacking analogies
• Flatland’s society, Lineland, Pointland, and the sphere visit
• three Flatland adaptations compared for tone and fidelity
• teen tragedy genre and Leader Of The Pack music theory bits
• dream covers, B-sides, and recording notes for our version

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Transcript

Cold Open And Banter

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Oh.

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And what's the name of the movie?

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Rad.

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Rad.

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Yeah.

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That was awful. It was the stup like maybe like one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

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Like, yeah. In a good way. In a great way. Thank you. Oh my gosh, my heart almost stopped. Hi there.

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Two married friends in the corner of a room.

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Surrounded by blankets. How come you're not being goofy? And two microphones.

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I was wondering if you meant to plug your guitar in.

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No, but I'll tilt it down.

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Okay.

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Surrounded. No, no, we already did that. Oh, I know what that I know what happened. No. She's too close to come for comfort. Uh, they got in a car crash. You know what happened next. You're not gonna like it. She died in his arms.

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Why aren't you singing?

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I'm screwed up. He kissed her lips. Because she was still warm.

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Get the picture?

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Yes, we see.

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The audience will like it.

Show Intro And Premise

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I was just trying to do what you were doing. Good afternoon, evening, everyone.

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That was a good one.

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Welcome back to this podcast called The Audience Won't Like It.

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It's really hard to uh one thing I'm learning is it's really hard to talk and sing at the same time.

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Oh, I don't think that's a thing you can do.

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That's not what I meant to say.

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You meant talk and play. Talk and play. It is. Unless you're talking in rhythm.

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Yeah, like rapping.

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Yes.

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We talked. Okay, so we did Girl Is Mine.

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We did. That had some talking.

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Welcome to the audience won't like it.

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I said that.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm Leslie Shoecraft, and this is my husband, Rob Shoecraft. We're married. We're the only married news podcasters in southeastern Ohio, I bet.

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One of the only.

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I bet we're the only.

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I heard that I was I was in the grocery store the other day. I was bragging about it and somebody corrected me.

SPEAKER_04 2:05

Whatever. What were they where'd they get their information? Were they married podcasters? First degree?

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No. I shouldn't have been rolled up.

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Well, I'm going to go ahead and talk about what this is, what we're doing here. In case you never listened to us before, we are waiting in line for a cool, cool concert. Each week we go see someone new. This week we're going to be seeing a girl group called the The Shangri Loves. Oh, yeah. We're going to hear them play at the end. Just kidding. It's going to be us that play.

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Most of them are not with us anymore.

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Oh, they get to come to our big concert. We haven't talked about our concert in a while. We've been planning a concert. It's going to be like the concert to end all concerts. Lots of dead people are going to be there. A few handful of live people that everyone's be riding in on something. Shangri-Loss could ride in on tigers.

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Oh, because the pack.

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Oh, well, I just meant. Doesn't Shangri-Lays.

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Are there packs of tigers?

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I don't know. Are they prize? I think they're solid correctly. That's lions. Lions are prize. You don't need to correct it. But isn't Shangri-Loss sort of like a Bengal tiger? Felt like they would hold hands.

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Oh, is it?

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Sounds like they just know that.

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I thought it was a I thought it was a restaurant in Queens. I think that's how the hell they got their name.

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Oh, well, we'll talk about that later. Yeah. But anyway, while we're waiting in line, you know, you might be in line with someone you you do or don't want to be with, and whether that's your husband or a stranger, you decide. Anyway.

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If it's a stranger, feel free to go, just feel free to not talk to them.

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Yeah, you can go somewhere else. You could be like, oh, excuse me, I have to use the bathroom. And then when you get back in line, you stand in another spot.

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And yeah. I'm sorry, continue.

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Sometimes they will watch for you and then be like, oh, I'm over here. And then you have to pretend you don't see them.

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And or they might say, Hey, your mom sent me.

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Don't ever. You know how many times I've said to the kids, I'll never send a stranger to get you. So don't ever go with someone.

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Well, we have codes.

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We do have codes. You can't tell it on the code. No, of course not.

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But they're hilarious. I wish you were in our family so you can hear our codes.

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Oh, I don't wish you were in a family. Our family's just right. Sorry. So anyway, while you're standing in line, you might cover a number of topics. You might talk about stuff you've been watching on TV or books you've been reading, such as music you've been listening to.

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Red country. Such as Shangri Lost.

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Yeah.

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Some Bob Weir.

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Yeah. Oh, poor dead Bob Weir.

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Poor dead Bob Weir.

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Anyway, he died this week.

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He'll be in our concert too.

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And then you might, because the line is just so long it's not moving, you may end up in settling in on one specific longer topic. And then once you cover all that, then you get to the concert, and the surprise is that it's not the Shangri-Loss from 1960s. It's me and Rob.

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And you have to see us on YouTube.

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Yeah, you can if you want to listen to our YouTube.

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Listen to it if you're if you're watching on uh if you're just a podcast listen to listening.

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You gotta go to the YouTubes. That's how we get you.

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Leslie, by the way, is a uh a hospice music therapist, among other populations, uh, which is why she could just so flippantly say, poor little dead Bob Weir, who just died two days ago. Now, fortunately, this will air about three to four weeks. Yeah, it'll be old news, but yeah. So that'll be a good one. Did you know that?

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Did you know that I don't even know who that is?

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That's okay.

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I mean But I uh do consume media, so I saw it happen.

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Do you know who fell uh do you know who Jerry Garcia is?

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I do.

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Grateful Dead. Yes. So Bob Weir was in The Grateful Dead.

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I said that, and the person I said that to was like, no, I don't think that's right. And I was like, well, what do I know?

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He was in a lot of other bands too.

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Okay. Um but would that be his most notable? Okay, that's a good idea.

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He was a founder member.

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Who I say that to an idiot? Yeah, I don't want to say who I think it was because I don't want to throw them under the bus for being dumb.

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I mean, I'm I'm a little compared to it, uh Grateful Dead fans are like I feel like it's always somebody who I well that's an interesting conversation. Maybe you're saying the same thing, but I would say they're more like it's I get hesitation around saying I'm a Grateful Dead fan. I am. Um but like I'm a Star Wars or a Star Trek fan. Yeah. Or it's like I'll I'll take part of the conversation if somebody wants to bring it up, but it's like you get I feel like I always feel so intimidated because like there's the fans, you know, the hardware. Yeah, the ones that speak um fortunately, Grateful Dead, they're they're they're gonna be able to do that. What's the language? What's the language people speak? They're not gonna look for a fight.

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From Star Trek? Klingon?

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Yes.

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Is that what people learn?

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Yeah, yeah.

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How about Elvish from uh Lord of the Rings? Is that the is that what people learn?

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I think so. Yeah. Plus yeah.

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Thank you. Sorry, I have another one.

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Oh my gosh, guys.

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Sorry about her.

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Sorry about that, everybody. Anyway, so do you want to jump right into Corrections Corner? Hope you there isn't much.

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Let's go to Corrections. There's a lot of in corrections corner. A lot of in corrections corner.

SPEAKER_04 6:54

Is there an insurrection corner?

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Hey guys, by the way, we uh were holding a concert.

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I already said that.

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Yeah, but did you did you say that we did you say that we're resurrecting the dead?

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Oh, I didn't. I said a lot of dead people were gonna be performing and riding in.

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I think we could found a place. There's Shriner's Club around here that they're still in operation.

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Oh, I didn't know we talked about that, but you're right. I've been looking.

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I've been trying to dead settled it.

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We had our wedding reception there, so you know, we know about how big it was.

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We did have an awesome soul band.

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We did. What were they called? Oh my gosh. We'll we'll get back to them.

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Next time. They were great. I hope they're still alive. They were getting up there in age.

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And that was 20 years ago.

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So yeah, yeah. Anyway. Corrections Corner.

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Correct us, correct me. Hopefully it's just you correcting yourself. I don't think I usually ever say anything wrong.

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Corrections Corner. Can I tell you about Corrections Corner real quick?

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You I want you to.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

We'll tell you all about it. Corrections Corner is serving multiple purposes. One, it's a great cold open opportunity. Just get the get get warmed up here. It's great to let people know what kind of crazy crap we talk about. That's true. Right? It's almost an intro, it's almost a recap of last week's podcast with no brains to it whatsoever. And then lastly, someday I hope that people write in. And this would be a great placeholder for such a place. So right now I'm just filling 10 minutes. All right. Here we go.

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I forgot to time us. We started at 7.05.

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We gotta get that timer. We gotta we have to. We're gonna need it tonight.

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I got one right here.

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We're gonna need it tonight because I gotta talk about the deer hunter, and you're not gonna hear it. Give me five minutes. We'll get there. I'll time you.

Corrections Corner Starts Rolling

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I'll have my phone. I'll have my phone ready.

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All right, number one. I keep saying flatlands. In this case, it actually is flatlands because we're gonna talk about four different pieces of flatland media.

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I've never called it flatlands.

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I know, I have multiple every time we've got it.

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But I want everyone to know that you are the one.

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Borderline border oh, I see. Yeah. Good. Well, that won't show up on the uh probably catch your corner. I call it that one. Uh libel. I didn't want you to I didn't want you to libel uh me. Or no.

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Professor Is libel the document?

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Libel's the written.

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Okay. Slanders is spoken. Was I wrong? Was I opposite?

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I don't remember. Okay. I just wrote down to check it. I they speak 88% of people speak Cantonese as the usual language in Hong Kong, which is a special administrative region of China.

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Rickyo's never gonna die.

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No, it's not. Well, it we haven't talked about Aunt Viv in a while. Yes, we have just now. Oh and I oh Uncle Dan, Uncle Dan, Uncle Dan. I gotta throw that in there just in case I forget later.

SPEAKER_04 9:31

Man, Uncle Dan's birthday's coming up. You ought to invite him down to record the pod.

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Do you think that would really would that be a gift for him?

SPEAKER_04 9:39

You know, he said he would do it. That's true. And I I would love to hear a podcast that I wasn't on. Like I would love to hear this episode and just listen to it later.

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He's an excellent singer, he is an excellent harmonica player. He is, he is a very decent keyboard player and a serviceable guitar and bass player.

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Okay.

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And probably more.

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Probably more. Also a songwriter.

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I mean, oh yeah, songwriter, of course.

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He's a great songwriter.

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Oh, yeah, he's an excellent songwriter.

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Actually, I'm gonna say he's gonna get so mad, but if you want to go listen to one of his songs. Oh my gosh, no. But one cover shot. He does have an album on uh that you can listen to on Apple Music.

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Yeah.

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Can't remember what it's called, but I'll let you know.

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Smokestack Lightning's the name of the band.

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Mm-hmm, but I can't remember the name of the album. Smokestack Lightning's name, the band, after a song called Smokestack Lightning. Anyway, back off of Uncle Dan. Come on, Dan.

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I was looking on some uh Gershwin hip-hop samples. Uh nothing. Well, yeah, but like summertime. You mentioned summertime, and you uh but uh you know, um cool and the gang.

SPEAKER_04 10:46

Oh wow. They sampled him?

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Not really. I didn't really know.

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What did you even say?

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I don't know. It's uh let me think about it. Uh no, it's really not.

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Okay.

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It's just uh I don't think so. Okay. I'll correct myself later. Jose Feliciano's Puerto Rican, he's not Mexican.

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Okay.

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All right, and John the John Hendro Honda song.

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Yes. The one we were singing.

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Yeah, it's Living Inside Your Love, the George Benson song.

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It is George Benson. Yes. Okay.

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Yes. And it was written by Earl Clue.

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Oh my gosh, an Earl Clue song came on to my um my Apple for You station today.

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Oh, really?

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Which means I've been listening to it enough to where it thinks I want to hear more.

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Want to ride in your car.

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Oh, I don't think you do. Look out, look out, look out.

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All right, so uh jazz albums that have gone triple platinum or higher. Okay. Because we talked about breezing.

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Yeah.

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Which was the first to do so. Miles Davis kind of blue went 5X platinum. Wow. Got uh some good stuff there. Okay, uh Maggie from Walking Dead is Laura Cohen.

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Okay.

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Or Kohan or Cohan.

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Probably Kohan. Kohan? Definitely Han.

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You were right, Kurt Russell did play minor league baseball 71 to 73.

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I know, stuff.

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And he was copper. I think you said that as well. He and Goldie Hahn did not meet on the set of Overboard. They met on Swing Shift 1984.

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Oh, so they already had to be able to get the book.

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Overboard was 87.

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Or they're already getting then.

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I'm assuming. Or maybe they're just like pen pals for three years.

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Oh, they're the cutest.

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They are. Precious. Um, how many seasons of South Park 27? Wow. Uh what is the okay, we talked about uh like for The Simpsons or Futurama, um, have like a little bit of sadness and an otherwise like really goofy premise. It's called uh Pathos. Oh okay. Or Bathos. It's uh or tragic comedy if you'd like.

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And uh we have uh guiding a little too real for a minute, and then they go right back to the nonsense.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just the way we like it.

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Just the way we like it.

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Uh Guiding Light was the theme song.

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Oh, it wasn't Young and the Restless?

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No. Not no, oh no, no, no. I'm sorry. Forgive me. Would you guys forgive me?

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No. Say you won't.

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Young and the Restless is the theme song, Nadia South.

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Okay, yeah.

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But Guiding Light is the longest running.

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Okay.

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Soap opera of all time. 72 years.

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That's a long day.

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1937.

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What?

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Yeah, to 2009.

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Wow. Are any of them still on, I wonder? Next week. Tune in next week.

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Well, I'm sure.

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Guys, I got a haircut if you could see me.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

Yeah, it's uh it's quite lovely. You've received many compliments from the young or those.

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Yeah, not old, but then I had a few olders that were like, What have you done?

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Old men who uh just love their long hair. That's weird. Yeah.

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Stay out of my get off of my class.

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Everybody's got a thing. Was that rules 36 of the internet?

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm. Something like that. Uh that'll be on Corrections Corner. It might be 34. How many Enders game books are there? Sixteen.

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Yeah, I was gonna say twelve.

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Yeah, because you have the main saga, the Shadow Series, Fleet School series.

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Yes. I don't think I've read any of the Fleet School series. I don't think.

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Okay. Well, maybe we should sample one. Who made the Hogwarts legacy video game? Avalanche Software.

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Okay.

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I said SOCOM in reference to XCOM. I know you didn't care, but still don't.

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There it is. There it is.

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They're two very different games.

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Okay.

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XCOM is definitely better. Okay. Um it's Deserted Island. You were right. I kept saying Desert Island. I'm finding out I'm kind of dumb.

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Um please don't let it stop you though.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Oh no. I'll double down. Trust me. I want 20 more years of this. What's a technical term for a barrel maker? It's a Cooper.

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Oh, great.

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You said you didn't care.

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I still don't. Two things I still don't care about.

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I can't. I hung on to that care.

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Isn't it funny how we could be smart in different ways?

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Yeah. It's hilarious. Yes, does Weezer play live shows different from recordings? Like in like you know, they're gonna go on.

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Do they play the solo the same way?

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No, not really. But they pretty much stick to the records. Wow. Uh people I think people usually like that.

SPEAKER_04 15:14

Yeah, but that doesn't stop a lot of people from doing whatever they want.

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I mean, I don't dislike it.

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Right. But I I feel like it might ring a little hollow after a couple shows.

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It really depends on the band. That's what it comes down to. I mean. Uh little. Lastly, Tyler Childers. Yes. Am I saying that right? It's a Childers.

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It's Childers.

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But does it look like Childers? It does. Okay. With a Z?

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No.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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Good. I wrote an S. But I changed it last time. Childers.

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He's from Westford. No, he might be from Kentucky. Virginia? He's from Kentucky.

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Nose to the Grindstone.

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That's the one I was thinking of.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Was the song where he mentions pills and drugs? Rob missed it. You said this is the segment Rob Rob missed a corner. This is the segment where I, Rob, missed the funny things that Leslie says.

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Not always funny, sometimes just anything. Anything. The anything.

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Where I just blow right through her. In this case, it's pretty appropriate because you said make farts out of diarrhea. I don't remember the context. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

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You said make lemons out of lemonade.

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Stop at that one. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

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And I was like, wow, I just said make farts out of diarrhea. And now it just is just like in an echo chamber. That's changed. Forever.

Music Nerd-outs And Pop Culture Fixes

SPEAKER_01 16:28

This podcast has made me a very responsible. Straight-laced. Said she kept lying. Oh, you said you're going to keep lying to your mom until she listens to the podcast?

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I guess we've got to keep on keeping on.

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You made a joke about the song Affirmation by George Benson or Jose Feliciano, if you'd like.

SPEAKER_04 16:49

Yes. I would like.

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Famous Puerto Rican guitarist. Uh-huh. Not Mexican.

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No.

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Nope. You said something about being support- I love affirmation. You said I love supporting you, or something like that. It was clever. I missed it.

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Wow.

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And you said that great courses are the session musicians of the wildcard world.

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Thank you. I was like, I can't believe you didn't hear my session musician joke.

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I catch you on the second time, baby.

SPEAKER_04 17:18

Good thing you can let read listen to our conversation.

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You know what that is?

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Days go by. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

Wait. Is that Family Matters? No, no, no. Going places. No. Step by step. Crap.

SPEAKER_04 17:33

I just another crackers corner to come. All right. You want to kick it off with Deer Hunter so we can get that out of the way? Because it sounds awful.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

Okay, so this is a new segment of the uh podcast.

SPEAKER_04 17:43

It's not a new segment. We're just moving into a new segment. Listen, would you listen? Oh no. Have you added a segment?

SPEAKER_01 17:48

It's a new segment. Here, here's my notes on Deer Hunter. Let me show you. Oh my gosh, look at that.

unknown 17:55

Glorious.

SPEAKER_04 17:56

Okay, that's on.

unknown 17:57

Guess what?

SPEAKER_01 17:58

I've seen worse. Guess what? What? Not going to talk about all that.

SPEAKER_04 18:01

Good.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

Because it's a new segment, honey. Okay. You're getting your time right? Is that what you're doing?

SPEAKER_04 18:05

Yep, five minutes.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

You're an animal. Deer Hunter. The new segment is going to be where it's going to be the Rob Shares. Don't set it yet. Don't start it yet. I haven't.

SPEAKER_04 18:14

I'm showing you that it's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Where Rob Shares the his, I guess, the most memorable movie scene from a movie that Leslie doesn't care about corner.

SPEAKER_04 18:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 18:25

Is that gonna be every week?

SPEAKER_01 18:26

I watch a lot of movies. Uh-huh. It's possible.

SPEAKER_04 18:29

He rides a lot of exercise bike, watches movies while it doesn't.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

That's gonna come up. If it doesn't come up, you remind me. Okay. Pretty serious. It's kind of like music therapy almost.

SPEAKER_04 18:37

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

It's kind of a way to help, yeah. Um okay. So do uh can I can I give a little uh can I talk about the deer hunter just like give its vitals without starting the timer?

SPEAKER_04 18:51

Can I just give you six minutes?

SPEAKER_01 18:54

We just need to decroate a piece of crap.

SPEAKER_04 18:56

Is this where our son gets his negotiation skills?

SPEAKER_01 19:00

No, I'd say he gets those from my dad. I'd have ten minutes by now. Actually, I'd just be talking. There's nothing. You would know when you would want to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_01 19:11

Sit back. All right. Six minutes. You get six minutes. Six minutes, ready? Mm-hmm. All right, so the Deer Hunter, 1978. It won. It won five Oscars. It's a good considered to be a good movie.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

Uh De Niro. Uh De Niro's in it. Um freaking uh Meryl Streep is in it. I think I I think I called her Bed Medler last time. I'm wasting time. I'm wasting time. All right, Meryl Streep is awesome in that movie. I haven't seen a ton of Meryl Streep movies, but she's great. Uh Christopher Walkins in it. He uh he looks like uh Nate, the saxophone player. I told him so.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

Uh and uh John Cazelli's in it.

SPEAKER_03 19:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

Do you know who that is? Nope. Seen Dog Day Afternoon?

SPEAKER_03 19:56

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

Seen The Godf Godfather?

SPEAKER_03 19:58

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Okay. You've seen him. He's uh Fredo. Okay. Anyways. Great great cast. A lot of other people are in it. It's three hours long. It's a Vietnam movie. It's extremely depressing. I mentioned it to a V.

SPEAKER_04 20:10

And this is just so you know, this is why we have a timer.

unknown 20:12

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 20:13

No, my favorite story. No, because I mean, like, literally, like, this sounds like absolute like I would never want to watch this movie.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

No. You wouldn't like it.

SPEAKER_04 20:20

Yeah. But tell me all about it.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

Okay. Like I always say, you wouldn't like it, but you'd appreciate it.

SPEAKER_04 20:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

Okay. So it's got a lot of Russian roulette in it.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

I'm gonna spoil this movie a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 20:32

As we do.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

Yeah, we we do that. It's it came out in 1978. You know, relax. So it the first the first third, it's it kind of takes place in I'm just throwing this together, but it kind of takes place takes place in three parts where there's before Vietnam. Where the first part of the movie is basically a wedding. It's like a giant party, and then they go hunting. There's so much drinking in this movie, it's insane. It takes place in Pittsburgh. So you see a lot of like Iron City beer and all that. Oh I love Iron City. I know you baby. And then they go to Nom. Now when they go to Nam, holy crap. It's it's such a tone change, it's insane. And um they're in, they're getting they get captured. De Niro, Walken, and uh I can't remember the guy who played uh I think his name's Stevie. Um they are captured by the Viet Cong. They're on this like little shed that's built on a river, and they're inside, and the Viet Cong have these, I think they're AKs, AK-47s, and they've they got them tied up and they're making them play Russian roulette and they're betting on them.

SPEAKER_04 21:39

Like the Viet Cong are betting on the on the I'm nodding in agreement for those of you who can't see me.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

And first of all, this kind of scene is this scene could be made kind of there's no version of this that's fun, but like, you know, if you watch like Payback, have you seen Payback?

SPEAKER_04 21:57

Does that have Mel Gibson in it? Okay, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 21:59

We gotta watch that sometime. Or you see like a movie where it's like it's really dark, but the tone's kind of like, you know, something good's gonna happen. I've never seen this movie. I've heard it's nothing but depressing. I have no idea what they're gonna do to these guys. I think the movie, the rest of the movie, as far as I'm concerned, might just be about them getting tortured for the next two hours, right?

SPEAKER_00 22:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

So they're that's going on. It's Stevie, I think I'm gonna have to correct the crap out of his name. It's the name I'm going with. He just got married before he left. And he has a baby. Um, anyways, that's depressing too. He's freaking out. Like he's absolutely losing his mind. De Niro's in his ear. De Niro's is such a bad mother in this movie, it's insane. Walking's kind of playing middle ground. Stevie won't do it. He won't he won't play the game.

SPEAKER_04 22:40

He won't play. He won't play Russian role.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

And Daniel's like, you gotta, you just gotta do it, man. They're gonna block you up in this cage. They lock him up in a cage that's where he can barely breathe. And he's in underwater and there's it's full of rats. Yeah. And he's just like fr absolutely losing his mind. I mean, you you you my my uh I gotta tell you about the bike in a minute. But so Denir they keep him down underneath kind of underneath the uh the shack while they just make people they just line up through them. They basically keep going until they off themselves. And they keep him down underneath and in the in the water. So Walken and and De Niro are kind of scheming, and De Niro's trying to talk him into putting three bullets, talking, talking Walken into agreeing with putting three more bullets into the gun to make the odds crazier. But what his plan is and which he executes the gun is that when he gets the gun, he first of all he does right, he clicks clicks, so now he knows he's got two.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

He may even do another one because he's crazy, and he's just like the guy's like smacking him and getting him to shut up because he's like, Come on, come on. I mean, De Niro is on fire in this. He's freaking You're kind of on fire. Oh, so I'm on the bike watching this. And normally I go about 240 watts on average for about 15 minute, 30 minute pace. And which I don't know if that's good or bad, but whatever. By the time this scene was over, I was over 300. But I didn't even know it. I was so amped up mad.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

And so amped and so like vested in what was get happening. Well, De Niro just honestly is kind of but basically he just pops them. He and and he killed they kill them all, they grab their AKs and just like freaking tear them to ribbons. And they escape.

SPEAKER_04 24:26

Um that's the second part of the movie.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Yeah. There were four Russian roulette scenes in this movie.

SPEAKER_04 24:30

Oh my gosh, that's too many. That's four too many.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

The Russian roulette, uh, I believe is kind of like the just it's all about the deer hunter, like one shot, one question.

SPEAKER_04 24:38

This came out in the 70s.

unknown 24:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:40

So it's very, very, very fresh to actual Vietnam.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Yeah, three years, I believe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:47

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

That's kind of it's intense. It's worth a watch. It's really good. I mean, I I liked it a lot.

SPEAKER_04 24:53

Can you say any words about the ending that don't just absolutely spoil it?

SPEAKER_01 25:00

It ends in another Russian roulette scene. Well, okay, no, no, no. Hang on a second. I'll I'll tell you how it ends. You ready?

SPEAKER_02 25:05

I'm ready.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

It ends in me canceling my ChatGPT plus subscription and moving to and giving Claude my$20 a month.

SPEAKER_04 25:11

Ah, is it because you couldn't get ChatGPT to function the way you needed him to to converse with?

SPEAKER_01 25:17

Yeah. It's bec yes, exactly. It's because it features uh Chopin, a Chopin piece. How am I saying? Am I saying that right?

SPEAKER_04 25:24

Chopin.

Rob’s War Movie Corner: The Deer Hunter

SPEAKER_01 25:25

And uh that they play the the bartender is a John. He's a uh great piano player, but it seems like it anyway. It's the the they use like it's the way they use the way they use music in this movie is pretty cool. Okay. It's got a good the theme song's awesome, it's uh Cavatina. Anyways, so I'm I'm like, what is the piece that John plays, the the Barkey plays in uh right before they go off to war? Because then like the next scene is brutal. Okay, so he says, he, Chad, Chad, says, uh, Irving Berlin, uh, God bless America. So the movie ends that way, where they're all singing it, and it's pretty something else. And I'm like, that's the that's the last scene. And he's like, oh, you're you're absolutely right. That's what it is. Hang on, I will go search for it, but whatever. It does. It comes back. It was Irving Berlin, and I'm like, oh my gosh. I'm like, like it was Chopin, it was something to G Buck.

SPEAKER_04 26:24

And I'm taking my money elsewhere, Chad.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

Yeah, and and I said, I was like, and I know you don't care because you're just a stupid half glorified all correct.

SPEAKER_04 26:33

I've been uh Did it say, but I do care. And I'll remember.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

The one nice thing is it said uh you're right to leave, basically.

SPEAKER_04 26:41

You're right to leave.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

I mean, it's like I understand. Go, good, I hope you come back.

SPEAKER_04 26:45

All right.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

So what do you think? You got any questions, any more questions about it? I just want to compare it real quick.

SPEAKER_04 26:49

Okay. I already turned off the timer. Oh just to just to be nice.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Thank you, honey. Because you're a little interested. Am I talking into watching this movie? No. We talked out of ever wanting to. Rob talks Leslie into watching a war movie.

SPEAKER_04 27:01

Does it have Russell Crowe or Hugh Jackman in it? I'll watch those two do war movies.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

Would you settle for the Patriot, Mel Gibson? That's a nice blend.

SPEAKER_04 27:12

Yeah, Mel Gibson's never done it for me.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

That movies not really feel good either.

SPEAKER_04 27:15

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 27:16

Bone Tomahawk, you remember that?

SPEAKER_04 27:18

I yes, I do.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

That scene, and and because De Niro the whole time's like, just do it, man. Do it. Come on, baby, we're gonna get him.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

We're gonna get him. Don't worry.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

Because they can't, the Viet Cong can't speak English, presumably anyway. And so he's like, We're gonna get him, we're gonna get him, just do it, we got you. But the whole time with Kurt Russell and like Nancy Fox are like, yeah, when the guy's getting split open.

SPEAKER_04 27:37

Yeah, oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

This has been In the Green Room, you remember that with Sir Patrick Stewart? We just watched it like a year or two ago. The punk, all those punk hardcore like white supremacists.

SPEAKER_04 27:48

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:48

And those folks get kind of trapped there. Yeah. And there's that scene. Yes, but they got that kind of intensity, except Glorious Black Bastards. Blasters. Blasters. Alright, moving on.

SPEAKER_04 28:00

All right.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

What do you want to talk about here?

SPEAKER_04 28:01

Well, should we talk about Off to Be the Wizard?

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Oh, oh, we're doing that today?

SPEAKER_04 28:06

Well, I finished it.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

Do you want to do it next week?

SPEAKER_04 28:10

Sure, we can take the thing I was going to talk about and do it next week.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

Let's talk about it today.

SPEAKER_04 28:14

Let's talk about it now.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

No, let's talk about it now. I did I didn't really uh prep for it, but you didn't really prep for me to have anything. That might be good. I've read it twice. I've read it twice. So let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_04 28:22

We don't have to.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

No, I you know what I really want to, actually.

SPEAKER_04 28:24

Okay, well, I'll just say that it and you said it very correctly. It's a very low-stakes uh read for sure. And I I it's all about this guy who discovers a f computer file and and realizes he can change reality based on what he inputs in the file, and so including he can send himself back in time. And so he goes back in time and ends up in a same time period as other people who have at other points in history realize that they can do the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Any um that's a pretty good short explanation for it. Any uh book that has a good reads rating of about 3.7 and above and has a plot like that, I'm I'm on it.

SPEAKER_04 29:10

Okay. I liked it. It was it was cute. I would like to have read it with my hands. I mean my eyes.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

That's right. You listened to it.

SPEAKER_04 29:18

I did listen to it, and I listened to it on one and a quarter speed. Then I went up to one and a half speed because I just really needed to get through. Gotcha. What was gonna happen. Um yeah, Jimmy's the worst.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Did it did you we don't have to get into any details, but you kind of see what I meant?

SPEAKER_04 29:34

I can't remember what it was you said.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

That that uh how he's uh a bit of a um uh narcissist.

SPEAKER_04 29:42

Oh gosh, yeah. Like he couldn't see any error in the things that he was doing, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 29:46

I mean, it's a it was kind of a like a character version of it, but it was still like very familiar.

SPEAKER_04 29:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

Um okay, so let's not take the fun of that. Let's not get a goal deer hunter with Magic 2.0. No. It's a it's a it's a funny.

SPEAKER_04 30:00

The series is called Magic 2.0. The first one was called Off to Be the Wizard, which is a very clever name for that book, I have to say.

SPEAKER_01 30:07

Not bad. Very there are six of them, I believe.

SPEAKER_04 30:10

I have little interest in rereading those. Oh, I'm wondering, though, if the next one features does it also feature Jimmy?

SPEAKER_01 30:19

I okay.

SPEAKER_04 30:20

It's okay. You don't have to say.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

Okay. Uh, yeah, I the there's I'm confusing. Let's just say that there are some recurring characters.

SPEAKER_02 30:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

And I'm confusing a couple plot lines because I've read the next two.

SPEAKER_02 30:33

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

There's one where they go to Atlantis. There's one where there's like an old, like, like the Don of Computers kind of guy. He's like an old like um what is the heck they call it? Something works. Uh I don't know. Just like an old school secret government dude who gets zapped there and he's just like thinks everybody's an idiot.

SPEAKER_04 30:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

You know, it's he's a pretty great character. Uh this is the best one as far as I'm concerned.

SPEAKER_04 30:58

I was gonna say, I wonder if you um if there is another book that literally checks every single box for you, where they're like messing with time travel, messing with like algorithms, and frequently talking about visits to the bathroom.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

Oh. Man.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

Because that means quite a lot of that, in the book. The whole time I was reading the theme of the book.

SPEAKER_04 31:26

It is. The whole time I was reading it, I was like, this this did Rob write this book? Visits to the bathroom. If Rob could write a book, this would have been Rob's book. What's the author's name?

SPEAKER_01 31:35

Uh Scott Meyer, I think.

SPEAKER_04 31:36

Cool. Well, are you Scott Meyer?

SPEAKER_01 31:38

I I I he did he did a very good job with the I would have made it a little uh sloppier. I would have gone to a little more details on Jimmy's droppings. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 31:50

Um, they went into some they made the picture really come together. They did.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

He did a good job.

SPEAKER_04 31:56

He actually, I I like I like more universally appealing, probably, than what you would have written. Just gonna throw that out there.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

Funny the first 15 pages. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:05

All right, cool.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

Next. No way. Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_04 32:09

What? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

Hey, guy, okay, so what what do you think I like about this?

SPEAKER_04 32:16

Well, you love that well, you love the time travel. And you love that like the way that they use the algorithm to manipulate their reality.

SPEAKER_01 32:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 32:24

So I will say That's what I would say you like the best.

SPEAKER_01 32:26

Yeah. I love time travel. Time travel almost takes a backseat in this case. Well that's it's a secondary effect of the good point.

SPEAKER_04 32:33

Manipulating the algorithm.

SPEAKER_01 32:34

I wonder how they that's a weird thing to be able to pick out. Like that whole thing I kind of like the way he did it where the cliffs of Dover, like it's the only place you remember and he figured they'd be there. Oh, yeah. But even that had shifted over the course of the I like, I mean, I'm sure it wasn't terribly accurate, but he did he he made things interesting.

SPEAKER_04 32:52

He did.

SPEAKER_01 32:53

Um, I am just I absolutely love the idea of so one of I'm a video game nerd, even though I haven't played one in like.

SPEAKER_04 33:01

Oh, yeah, he's totally like building a character for himself.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

He he is, totally, but also what I was gonna say, okay, hang on. What I was gonna say is there are you're gonna care so much about this.

SPEAKER_04 33:14

Okay, it's a good thing you're including it.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

So you know the game I always talk about, this Disco Elysium, that I want to play with you?

SPEAKER_04 33:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Or Stardew Valley that we've talked about that I've played. That you yeah, technically, you have. Good job.

SPEAKER_04 33:25

What do you mean technically?

SPEAKER_01 33:26

Um, they have like plain text safe game files. Does that make any sense? Yes. Okay. So they're basically like JSON or XML. It's like literally like a spreadsheet in a yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 33:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

And it's not exactly a modem.

SPEAKER_04 33:42

You think the modem is uh anyways. Is it the screen?

SPEAKER_01 33:46

You could go into those games and change everything about your character and everything about where they are in the game.

SPEAKER_04 33:51

You could do that with like yeah. So this is that.

SPEAKER_01 33:54

Yes. Yeah. It's it's cheating, but it's like a really fun way to cheat.

SPEAKER_04 33:58

And it still has consequences that even though you're cheating, you still have to you're not getting off scot-free. You're not just making it all the way to the end. Yeah, like you might, you know, it's your cheating has consequences that you have to then cheat again.

SPEAKER_01 34:10

It's a lot of fun. It Oh.

SPEAKER_04 34:14

Which almost makes it not even cheating.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

I would actually like to make a video game where you first like to make a video game. Second, our son has a book you can borrow. I'd like for it to be where the entire up the entire point of the game is to cheat. Like, so you would have uh basically I've thought a lot about it. I got this like anyway, it doesn't surprise me. I'll make an we'll have an episode about it.

SPEAKER_03 34:37

What else you got?

SPEAKER_01 34:38

Uh I'm still reading Red Country. Book's awesome. Um, do we want to talk any more about Bob Weir?

SPEAKER_04 34:46

Homie, if you had something you wanted to say, I don't know anything about him.

SPEAKER_01 34:49

Uh I bet you've heard him sing a lot of songs.

SPEAKER_04 34:52

Probably so.

SPEAKER_01 34:52

I think I think I want to do Sugar Magnolia at some point. I think that'd be a fun song to do. He sang on that. Sang on Truckin'.

SPEAKER_03 35:01

Trucking.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

You know China Cat Sunflower?

SPEAKER_04 35:04

I don't know. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 35:05

He plays a pretty sick riff on that, too. Here comes Sunshine Mexicali Blues. You know Mexicali Blues.

SPEAKER_04 35:11

Did you say Johnny Cat Sunshine?

SPEAKER_01 35:12

China Cat Sunflower.

SPEAKER_04 35:15

Oh, well, we have to send a special shout out to poor old Carl the Cat.

SPEAKER_01 35:19

No, we're done. We're done.

SPEAKER_04 35:21

No, but I'm just interrupting that. Oh. Just to say. Rest in peace, Carl the Cat.

SPEAKER_02 35:25

Of course.

SPEAKER_04 35:26

Uncle Dan's daughter, Lillian, our niece Lillian, her cat went to uh await the rest of them at the Rainbow Bridge. So we love you, Carl. Okay, anyway. Mexicali blues.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

Rainbow Bridge Corner.

SPEAKER_04 35:37

Rainbow Bridge Corner. Gosh, I hope we don't have to visit that.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

We can do Mexicali Blues too. Actually, I think I want to do that one instead.

SPEAKER_04 35:43

Okay. Is it have singing?

SPEAKER_01 35:45

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:45

Okay. Um You can do instrumentals again. We only did the one.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

Yeah, I've been thinking about how I want to do instrumentals. I do love so one of my favorite like style guitar playing is like Hank Marvin. Like, do you know?

SPEAKER_04 35:59

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

You know the shadows are?

SPEAKER_04 36:01

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 36:02

Um okay, so you know the ventures are?

SPEAKER_04 36:04

The ventures, yes.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

Okay, so the well they'll they'll play this is a pretty popular way to play back in like the 60s, still kind of, but not really. Where they'll just play a melody ver like a guitar version of all the the lead guitar player, like Hank Marvin in this case, would play the melody.

SPEAKER_03 36:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:22

On top of something that more or less sounds like the rest of the song. Yes. And I love that. That's just like I could listen to that kind of music all day long. Anyways, um, I would like to do a lot of those at some point, mainly because I just like playing, and I might as well make videos today while I'm at it because we have all this expensive crap. Okay, so what else? I'm also watching Path of Glory. It's another war movie. You can look forward to meeting.

Media Frustrations And Music Details

SPEAKER_04 36:47

Five Minute Corner. Five Minute War movie corner.

SPEAKER_01 36:50

What have you been what have you been up to?

SPEAKER_04 36:52

Well, I um had today I was listening to the Secret Garden musical soundtrack featuring Mandy Petinkin.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

Whoa.

SPEAKER_04 37:00

And Daisy Egan.

SPEAKER_00 37:02

Who's that?

SPEAKER_04 37:03

So she she was like a child Broadway star, but she has a podcast now.

SPEAKER_00 37:07

Hmm.

SPEAKER_04 37:08

And I knew about her when she when she was little. I used to listen to Secret Garden when I think I was probably in high school. So she's probably like a little bit of a change.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

Is that the one where there's like a like a little hand that comes out and just like beckons forward?

unknown 37:20

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

That's the movie. Secret Garden.

SPEAKER_04 37:22

It's the Secret Garden musical. It's like pretty classical, yeah. There's a lot, a bit more of a lyrical singing than true show choir singing. Or sorry, musical theater singing. Not as bright forward singing. It's a bit more like Mandy Petinkin's kind of he has a really weird but good voice.

SPEAKER_01 37:40

He does. It's really high. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 37:42

Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. He's a high.

SPEAKER_01 37:43

He was in Dead Like Me. And he's sang that to his mom.

SPEAKER_04 37:46

He did.

SPEAKER_01 37:47

Oh no, his daughter.

SPEAKER_04 37:48

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:49

It was his daughter who he sang too. That was weird. That was a kind of a hard word. That was a little bit of a pathos experience there.

SPEAKER_04 37:56

And then I also was so we were so the song we're doing later is Leader of the Pack, so I was trying to think through my B side and my cover and all that. And this I didn't end up going with this, but I do think I wanted to do a song, but the um the album called what was it called? But the band the band is of Monsters and Men. And the album is called My Head is an Animal, and it has that song Little Talks on it.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 38:22

Da da da da da da Yeah, yeah, that's why I know them.

SPEAKER_01 38:25

Yeah, I love that song.

SPEAKER_04 38:26

That's the only reason I know them too. So I decided today I was thinking about them as being one of my choices for one of those options. But I ended up just listening to that album, and it is good. It kind of all sounds the same, but I like the sound.

SPEAKER_01 38:39

I do, I like the sound too.

SPEAKER_04 38:40

There's a lot of the man and woman singing in octaves, which kind of gives like an open, sad feel.

SPEAKER_01 38:46

Okay. So they're singing this.

SPEAKER_04 38:48

That means they're singing the same melody.

SPEAKER_01 38:53

Okay. Like on the piano. Do we did we do that at all in this song? No.

SPEAKER_04 38:57

No. And then the other thing I watched that you sent me.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

No, shut up.

SPEAKER_04 39:01

That well, we did sing Leader of the Pack, I guess, in unison. Uh but the other thing I watched that you sent me was the Lori Laughlin um Slow Dance, BMX Slow Dance.

SPEAKER_02 39:11

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 39:12

And what's the name of the movie?

SPEAKER_03 39:13

Rad.

SPEAKER_04 39:14

Rad.

SPEAKER_03 39:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:15

That was awful. It was the stup like maybe like one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_01 39:22

Like, yeah. In a good way. In a great way. Thank you. Thank you. Oh my gosh, my heart almost stopped.

SPEAKER_04 39:28

There's just like some parts where she I mean, I know like BMX bikers do all kinds of crazy stuff with their bike, but she's like riding the bicycle with like the wrong direction. Like it's upright and she's riding.

SPEAKER_01 39:39

She's just like standing up like this. Yeah, she has like a tightrope.

SPEAKER_04 39:41

She's doing like a ballet move. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

I love the exchanges in the audience too.

SPEAKER_04 39:46

And what who were like the two businessmen were the ones like, what factory does that kid work at?

SPEAKER_01 39:51

It was very much yeah. It was kind of like punches the gap. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:55

It's like pay you for Miami Connection conversation. It was so bad.

SPEAKER_01 39:59

And you had like Tomax and Zayman. Do you know who Tomax and Zaymon are from Gia Joe? The tw the twins?

SPEAKER_04 40:04

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

Those guys remind me of it. Vaguely, vaguely.

SPEAKER_04 40:07

Yeah, anyway. So I watched that. So if you haven't seen that slow dance BMX, Slow Dance by Rat from Rat.

SPEAKER_01 40:15

Send me an Angel by Real Life.

SPEAKER_04 40:16

Yeah, send me an Angel.

SPEAKER_01 40:17

Name of that song. Wonderful. I'm glad you watched it.

SPEAKER_04 40:20

Thank you for sending it to you. It was terrible. Like it was just me bad.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

I saw that for the first time, I think, in high school. I used to hang out around a lot of guys who were into biking, and we were watching that, and that scene came on. I was like, oh my gosh, what is this? Did they think it was funny ride? I was like, is it this Salta? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:40

Well, it reminds me of the one time.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

No, they didn't think it was cool. No.

SPEAKER_04 40:44

One time, remember when I was like very much into like riding my bicycle? And I was like talking about it at work, and somebody heard like one of my one of my cooler patients. I used to work at the psychiatric hospital, and there's a pretty cool people in there. There's one guy who's I wish I could remember his name. If I did, I guess I probably shouldn't say it anyway. But he he was like, oh, he heard me say something about bikes. I was like, I love riding bikes. He's like, me too. And we're like talking about him forever. And then finally, someone else I worked with was like, he's talking about motorcycles. I was like, oh. They were talking about like a bicycle. I was like, I'm dumb. Sorry. Sorry, patient. And I was cool.

SPEAKER_01 41:22

It's an honest mistake. You didn't know. That's all right. I would have done honestly, I would have done the same freaking thing. I would have to talk about an exercise bike.

SPEAKER_04 41:30

Your bike doesn't even go anywhere.

SPEAKER_01 41:32

I watched Passive Glory. Stanley Kubrick's first movie. I don't even know if that's true.

SPEAKER_04 41:37

What else do you have?

SPEAKER_01 41:38

I watched, I listened to uh Songsung Blue.

SPEAKER_04 41:41

Oh, you did. Yeah, 1970s. How was it?

SPEAKER_01 41:43

72 Neil Diamond. Uh I loved it. It's a good tune. It's got a lot of things I like in it.

SPEAKER_04 41:49

Did you write had you ever heard it? Did you recognize it?

SPEAKER_01 41:51

I have heard it. I know I'd heard it before, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:53

It's pretty recognizable.

SPEAKER_01 41:55

Yeah. And it's got a lot of strings and things that you like. Horns and a choral ensemble, am I saying that right?

SPEAKER_03 42:03

Orchestral ensemble.

SPEAKER_01 42:04

An orchestral ensemble. And Sam. I liked it a lot. Yeah. Thank you. And I listened to a I listened to two versions, unfortunately, of a song called You Don't Need to Be a Baby to Cry by the Caravels and Tennessee Ernie Ford.

SPEAKER_04 42:23

Tennessee Ernie Ford is the one that I know.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

Doesn't it?

SPEAKER_04 42:26

Be a baby. Somebody wanted to be a good one.

SPEAKER_01 42:28

It wasn't awful. It was just like, okay.

SPEAKER_04 42:31

I had someone who asked me to learn that, but it's very difficult because it's you can't pick a key. That thing is all over the place. Oh yeah, I bet it'll probably be You've got to be able to sing really low and really high in the key that you choose.

SPEAKER_01 42:43

I bet the uh of Monsters and Men could do it.

SPEAKER_04 42:46

Maybe so. Together. They can each cover off.

SPEAKER_01 42:49

If we ever do a um if we ever do you don't have to be a baby to cry, that's gonna be my dream cover.

SPEAKER_04 42:55

Okay. Okay. We'll never do that, so Demon Gummies, you heard of them? No.

SPEAKER_01 43:00

Caroline sent them to me.

SPEAKER_04 43:02

Oh, I heard her talking about that with you. Rainbow Gummy.

SPEAKER_01 43:05

You might like this. No?

SPEAKER_04 43:06

Oh, it's Stardew Valley.

SPEAKER_01 43:08

It's uh I hadn't heard of them.

SPEAKER_04 43:09

Back on Stardew Valley.

SPEAKER_01 43:10

Well, back on Demon Gummies. We're just we're just flirting with Stardew Valley a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 43:15

Sebastian, seeing that?

SPEAKER_01 43:16

Excuse me, Mr. Concerned Ape. Um, Sebastian, yeah. I'll listen, see? I'm listening to stuff. You're not gonna catch me.

SPEAKER_04 43:22

Oh gosh. I've already had a couple, I think, today.

SPEAKER_01 43:25

You're such a punk.

SPEAKER_04 43:26

Uh I don't try to force it.

SPEAKER_01 43:29

Have you have you heard of Chiptune?

SPEAKER_04 43:32

No.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

You don't have to force it. I'm I'm freaking uh not the most observant person in the world. Chiptune, it's like a genre of like uh low-fi video game-inspired music. This is it. And it's fine stuff. I really liked it a lot. It's got songs like How Do You Know When It's Okay to Do Nothing? And uh When You're Trying to Write a Song and It's Not Working Out.

SPEAKER_04 43:55

I love those titles. Those are great.

SPEAKER_01 43:57

Honestly, it is it is cool. I've listened to the album two or three times this week.

SPEAKER_04 44:00

That's the Demon Gummies.

SPEAKER_01 44:01

Thank you, Caroline. Yeah. I like the show.

SPEAKER_04 44:03

How did she know about it?

SPEAKER_01 44:04

She said, I heard these guys, they sound they remind me of Stardew Valley. I think you'd like them.

SPEAKER_04 44:09

Caroline's the loveliest daughter we've done.

SPEAKER_01 44:13

Uh what did you think of old uh Brian Crane?

SPEAKER_04 44:20

Well, I thought it was above better. It was fine. I don't know. I don't dislike it. I just when it's on, I cannot listen to it. Like it's on and I'm enjoying it, but I'm not paying attention to it. That's kind of Does it not all sound the same to you?

SPEAKER_01 44:42

Oh, yeah, there's quite a bit that sounds the same.

SPEAKER_04 44:44

It reminds me of like it Jim Brickman a bit.

SPEAKER_01 44:47

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Very pop piano, right?

SPEAKER_04 44:50

Was that what you would consider it?

SPEAKER_01 44:51

Or are you bigger? I prefer a big Richard Claterman head?

SPEAKER_04 44:55

No. Tell me all about him in the next corner. The Richard Claterman corner. But um, we'll say that I like the ones which mostly just piano over the ones that have strings in the background.

SPEAKER_01 45:09

What did you think of the first song?

SPEAKER_04 45:11

Sienna?

SPEAKER_01 45:12

Songs song for Sienna.

SPEAKER_04 45:14

It's fine. I guess it's a little cinematic.

SPEAKER_01 45:17

What would you do if I told you it's like maybe top 20 favorite songs of all time for me?

SPEAKER_04 45:22

I would not be surprised. I'm happy for you. Now, I have a lot of respect for this person. I would like to see if you could.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

I could tell I was about to tell you, like, why would you get off his dad? I can't I can't say what I want to say. Uh no, continue. This is why this is half the reason I like making you listen to this stuff.

SPEAKER_04 45:49

Um it's fun. I would like to see what else he can do.

SPEAKER_01 45:52

Oh so you immediately went out and listened to the rest of his nine albums or however it is? No. 20?

SPEAKER_04 45:59

I was leaving that open, the door open for myself to go out and see what else he can do.

SPEAKER_01 46:04

January's Brian Crane month.

SPEAKER_04 46:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 46:06

On this podcast.

SPEAKER_04 46:08

Every year. It's gonna take us nine years for me to get through his discography.

SPEAKER_01 46:12

No, I'm totally I totally understand.

SPEAKER_04 46:14

His songs um This isn't gonna be such a I shouldn't even say it because people are gonna be like, she does not know what she's talking about. Tell her to shut up. They're a little formulaic.

SPEAKER_01 46:26

You don't know what you're talking about, shut up.

SPEAKER_04 46:28

Okay, I won't say anything else.

SPEAKER_01 46:29

No, they they kind of are. I mean, they they have uh what I write. There's some songs on their Do you know the song Alone Again Naturally by Gilbert O'Sullivan?

SPEAKER_04 46:39

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 46:41

I like depressing stuff, apparently. Um the okay, here's the thing.

SPEAKER_04 46:46

You just really like to have feelings inside you deep inside your brain, but not on the outside.

SPEAKER_01 46:51

I mean, that might be right. Yeah. I think that might be right. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:54

That's okay. I don't like to have them at all.

SPEAKER_01 46:58

So I used to play this video game called The Forthcoming.

SPEAKER_04 47:02

F-O-U-R-T-H.

SPEAKER_01 47:03

Mom. Not you.

SPEAKER_04 47:06

Your own mom.

SPEAKER_01 47:07

Mother. Uh, this is the game with Brandon.

SPEAKER_04 47:10

We're finally getting a lot of time.

SPEAKER_01 47:11

I want to talk about the forthcoming sometime because I get some forthcoming stories.

SPEAKER_04 47:14

Oh my gosh. How do you play with Brandon?

unknown 47:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:18

So um Brandon, Brandon was the son of the of the his mom ran the ran the server that it was played on. You could buy like licensing for anyway. Anyways, this song for Sienna reminds me, it's like a better version of the forthcoming theme.

SPEAKER_03 47:38

Was that MIDI?

SPEAKER_01 47:40

Uh no, I don't think it was. Huh. I don't think it was MIDI. No. Anyways. Moving on. We don't have to talk about Brian Crane anymore. I understand. I don't have much more to say, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_04 47:51

I liked it.

SPEAKER_01 47:52

I do like that kind of music though. And and his, I don't love it, but it when I want to hear it, if I'm working or something, it it does the job. And his version of that, like of that genre, I think he's like the best.

SPEAKER_04 48:07

So I would like to have something like that on playing. Like when I used to work at the psych hospital, I used to help with art therapy groups. Not that I did any art therapy at all, except just sit next to people and hand them crayons or whatever. I would like that's what I would like to have on if I was creating a visual art piece. I would like that on in the background.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

Yeah, it is super formulaic though. I know exactly what you're talking about. I just wanted to feign.

SPEAKER_04 48:32

Ignorance, make me look bad in front of all of our good 15, 16 friends. Did we get any new subscribers this week?

SPEAKER_01 48:36

Yeah, we got one. We're up to 18. Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_04 48:39

One per we're gonna have 50 by the end of the year.

SPEAKER_01 48:42

We very well might.

SPEAKER_04 48:43

Oh, that's cute.

SPEAKER_01 48:44

So, Bob, we're pass of glory. I think I think you covered it all. We might have gotten over all of it. How many, how when do we start?

SPEAKER_04 48:54

We started at 7.05. It is 755.

SPEAKER_01 48:58

We gotta run. How are we gonna run through Flatland?

More Books, Time Travel, And Game Saves

SPEAKER_04 49:02

I mean, this is why I think we should cut things off, and you are like, just a little bit more, just a little bit more. But it's up to you.

SPEAKER_01 49:12

Okay. This is your how long do we have?

SPEAKER_04 49:16

We have until really about 840. I'm gonna give you 840.

SPEAKER_01 49:20

Okay, 840. 45 minutes. 45 minutes. We're gonna talk about flatlands.

SPEAKER_04 49:24

Flatland and leader of the pack.

SPEAKER_01 49:26

We're gonna talk about flatland for for 30 minutes, leader of the pack for 15.

SPEAKER_04 49:29

All right, I'll put a timer on then.

SPEAKER_01 49:33

Flatland.

SPEAKER_04 49:35

Flatlands.

SPEAKER_01 49:38

Were you were you uh No, I'd never heard of Flatland before. Were you a bit flatlanded Flatlanded out?

SPEAKER_04 49:45

By the end of the third one? I sure was. I sure was. Okay, here's what we did. Just so everyone knows. We read the original Flatland, which is was written in 1840.

SPEAKER_00 49:54

84.

SPEAKER_04 49:57

That might be one of the oldest books I've ever read, besides the Bible.

SPEAKER_01 50:01

It's um Yeah, I don't get too much older than that myself. I've read Calamani Crisco Crisco.

SPEAKER_02 50:11

Make it cookies? Calamoni Crisco.

SPEAKER_01 50:18

I obviously I haven't read too many.

SPEAKER_04 50:22

I wish that's what it was called. Oh my gosh, if Crisco hears this, they need to steal that. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 50:29

I'm sure they've got to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_04 50:30

So we read the book. Well, we read we'd listened to it. But we read it.

SPEAKER_00 50:34

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 50:35

And it's a novella. I'm just gonna give a really brief description of it. We kind of have a few times, but I'll give a back.

SPEAKER_01 50:40

I love it when you do this. This is why you're on the show.

SPEAKER_04 50:42

This is this is it. This is the one reason. Okay. So the first half of the book explains from the perspective of a square living in flatland. And so they only have imagine you're on the top of a tabletop, and you can only live on the top of the table. So you can only go left, right, north, south. They call east, west, north, south. Um, which that's gonna matter. The north is really gonna matter. So they're only moving, if you could see me on the YouTube, they're just on the paper on these, I guess is it the X just the X-axis, really?

SPEAKER_01 51:16

Yeah. X and Y.

SPEAKER_04 51:18

Oh, okay. X and Y. Okay, so anyway, so he basically spends the first half of the book explaining how because and so because they can't see a whole shape, they can only see one section of a shape at a time, then they don't know what shape they're talking to. And so they only see lines, and so they use different methods to determine what shape they're talking to. And he goes through like all this class system. I mean, there's a it's a bit um thick satire. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 51:48

Like it's insane.

SPEAKER_04 51:49

Yeah. And so like women are just lines, like we don't have shapes. And they have to do a peace cry. All they have to always be doing it because they can you can't they can't be seen from the front, they can only be seen from the side. And so they're very dangerous because they could pierce right through other shapes. And um, the more corners you have, the more angles you have, the higher class you are.

SPEAKER_00 52:13

As long as they're perfect.

SPEAKER_04 52:14

As long as you're perfect, yes, all symmetrical. Um and the higher by the time you have so so many, you become a priest because you have so many that you appear to be a circle. And so he's and then each every generation. Every generation gets another side. So like the four, the square gave birth to a Pentagon, the Pentagon to a hexagon, and so on.

SPEAKER_01 52:36

I'm glad you said and so on. Actually, I want to kind of want to say that.

SPEAKER_04 52:38

Septagon, octagon. Don't know what nine is. Decagon is ten.

SPEAKER_01 52:44

Nano is not Dectogon. I don't know.

unknown 52:47

Dr.

SPEAKER_04 52:47

Octagon.

SPEAKER_01 52:48

I didn't pay too much attention to the math stuff.

SPEAKER_04 52:50

Yeah. So like that was funny because you were like, don't worry about the math stuff. And which I thought was kind of funny because it wasn't a lot, it was more just like shapes and angles.

SPEAKER_01 52:57

Well, yeah, but so yeah, it is, but he goes into a little bit of detail. And then it it it's kind of you like half the movies we watched were, or two of them anyway, were kind of made for like educational purposes.

SPEAKER_04 53:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

You know, we'll get there. Some math stuff there.

SPEAKER_04 53:12

So then so he just basically lays out the whole flatland society and how it all works. And the priests are the like they lay down the law, and whatever the priests say is what you do, and it's like basically heretical. Is that a word?

SPEAKER_01 53:27

Well, it depends on what's basically heretical. It's heretical a word, too. Oh, yeah, I believe so. I'm sorry, yes.

SPEAKER_04 53:33

To um to think beyond the 2D world that they live in.

SPEAKER_01 53:40

Now, question for you. Was that I I I'm so blended. I should have gone through and said what seen what the difference was, but was that part really harped on in the book? Because it was in the in one of the movies.

SPEAKER_04 53:51

It was because at the end he's held trial. He's he's held on trial. On trial. He's put on trial.

SPEAKER_01 54:01

Uh huh.

SPEAKER_04 54:01

He's held trial.

SPEAKER_01 54:02

He's held though.

SPEAKER_04 54:03

And imprisoned for talking about that. So yes, it is part of the book. Okay, so in the second half of the book, he has an encounter with a 3D object, which is a cube, right? No, it's a sphere.

SPEAKER_01 54:16

Well, t technically this he technically he goes to flatland. Oh, we still talk sorry, Line Land.

SPEAKER_04 54:21

He goes to Line Land and a Dream. Lines can literally only move left and right.

SPEAKER_01 54:26

This is by the way where the book got into the weeds for the math. No. Well, yeah. Yes. Go ahead. What I was gonna say where this is where the book got good.

SPEAKER_04 54:38

Ah.

SPEAKER_01 54:39

I almost stopped reading it because I was like Well, this is when the story starts.

SPEAKER_04 54:43

Yeah, this is really He goes down in a dream, right? Point Land.

SPEAKER_01 54:47

Uh Lineland? Lineland. He goes to Pointland, but we'll we'll get here.

SPEAKER_04 54:52

It depends on what he has a dream where he goes to Lineland, which is 1D. He lives in a 2D world, he goes down to a 1D world. And they I can't remember what happens. Uh now I'm blending with the movie.

SPEAKER_01 55:03

So he's talking to the king of Lineland. Okay. And he learns how the lines happen in the sorry, learns the rules of Lineland, similar to how you learn the actual societal rules of Flatland. What I was just gonna say was the satire, I was just like, okay, this is super clever, it's really interesting. I think it's fascinating, it's part of the Victorian era and everything, but I had these expectations since like Carl Sagan was the one who quote told me about it. You know, I thought it was gonna be. Yeah, I was like, okay, so this is a book written by a priest that Carl Sagan is endorsing. Like this has got to be a cool book, right? So and I was like, it's not what I thought it was. Okay, it's it is really good. He's doing a he's like up there with Mark Twain, way to go. But like, not but then when he went to Lineland, I was like, oh now I get it. This is I see what this is exactly what I was looking for.

Listening Log: From Diamond To Demon Gummies

SPEAKER_04 55:54

Yeah. Well, the reason we s even brought this up is because we were we did an episode about spooky stuff, and we started talking about like alternate dimensions and like uh multiverses and all the stuff, and then Rob brought up having read Flatland. So and then you read it after that, didn't you?

SPEAKER_01 56:11

I I brought up having known about it but wanted to read it, and then I read it.

SPEAKER_04 56:15

Okay, so so then he kind of gets he kind of gets a sense of what it's like to to lose a dimension, like go down to a 1D world in this dream. And then he has this encounter with a sphere from a 3D world. And like his brain like literally cannot comprehend what he's seeing, because he can only see the sphere as a flat circle.

SPEAKER_01 56:40

And and the reason he had that dream was so that this so that the sp he would have a point of reference for when the sphere came to him. So he would be able to cause because the whole time Square or whatever his name is Brian or Brian Crane.

SPEAKER_04 56:56

It's Brian Crane.

SPEAKER_01 56:57

That's why his music's so Brian Crane is in it, and the soundtrack's fantastic. It's just like the forthcoming, if you know what that is. Brandon. Brandon knows. Love you be. Alright, so he uh what was I saying?

SPEAKER_04 57:15

Oh, the reason he has that dream is so that he has a point of reference from the sphere.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

Yeah, because because the whole time this Brian's trying to I can't, I can't joke. I can't joke and do math. Square. Square. I'll stick to quit screwing around, Rob. Square is trying to explain to the line, the king of the line king. Um, what he's like, I'm not, I'm above you. He's like, you above me? What what is or do I'm outside of the he's trying to explain the y-axis basically.

SPEAKER_04 57:44

Like he's yeah, yes. And they can they only get the x-axis.

SPEAKER_01 57:47

I really love the way they go into the details of like how they mate and how they find their wives and how they know how far away they are from each other and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_04 57:53

You should totally blitz.

SPEAKER_01 57:54

It's wild.

SPEAKER_04 57:55

It is like that it someone comes out of 1884. Like this is kind of like This is back when people were super dumb back in the 1800s.

SPEAKER_01 58:03

But these are like um like there's a lot, I won't get into it, but there's a lot of like technologic technological aspects. Like there's a lot of like networking kind of principles involved in this, and it's really fascinating stuff.

SPEAKER_04 58:16

Um nothing new under the sun, baby.

SPEAKER_01 58:18

No. So, anyways.

SPEAKER_04 58:20

So, anyway, then the sphere comes and and he's like trying to explain to the square, like, you live in a 2D world, I have a third dimension, and so he is able to take the square out of flat land into sphere land where there's 3D objects and he shows them a cube. So that's how you know he's a square, and so he would make a cube if you know he had the third dimension.

SPEAKER_01 58:42

Um I love the way the sorry get my the the way related or a movie related. It's it's everything related. Well, except for the Deadly Moor one. Well, maybe not, actually. The way they describe all of the way they describe them stacking inf infinitely.

SPEAKER_04 58:57

Yes, like a deck with a deck of cards. But he does that in the last one, I think.

SPEAKER_01 59:02

Just freaking love it so much. Yeah. I d I love I I can't explain why. You know why I love it? Why do I love it?

SPEAKER_03 59:09

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 59:10

I love I love it because part of it must just be like the everybody experiences. If anybody who knows something about something and shares it with other people knows how difficult it is to try to explain something to them. Something that you know more about that requires possibly 20 years of experience.

SPEAKER_04 59:26

Yeah, and points of reference that they don't have, and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:29

And so from the most so we're gonna, of course, take this all the way to Crazy Town, right? But from the most pragmatic perspective, this movie resonates with any professional or anybody freaking whatever, it's everything now. Okay. Right.

SPEAKER_04 59:47

So so he gets him out and he's able to look down at Flatland and realize that he can see into like he can now see the shapes that are just floating flat around on the surface. He can see the innards of everybody. Inside of people's houses, whereas before he's only ever been able to see lines because he can only see flat things. Um and then he has this epiphany. I'm sure I'm skipping things, but he has this epiphany. Well, if there's a 3D, then there must be a 4D. And then the sphere is like shuts it down. He's like, absolutely not. That's preposterous. There's no 4D, three. That's just you know crazy to even think of it. And and so then he sends the square back.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

More insane satire.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:27

Yeah. He sends the square back to Flatland. He starts talking. He's like, it's my I'm supposed to tell people about 3D, the third dimension, and then the priests find out, and he's you know breaking a law by talking about it with his grandson or his son? Uh with his off some offspring.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:47

Yeah. Well, his grandson. Because grandson's asking about the grandson proposes the idea of a three D.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:52

And he initially shoots it down and then through the thing. That's when Spirit shows up.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:55

He's like, actually, you're great, but little boys up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:58

You know, the Spirit in my mind didn't talk the way he did in any of the movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:01

You got maybe John Goodman?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:03

He was less of a pompous jerk, even though he was kind of a pompous jerk, but his voice I was I thought he was pretty cool until he uh fourth dimension. So anyway, he ends up getting arrested and imprisoned in Flatland for trying to talk about the thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:21

There's a plot line there too.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:23

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:23

He goes to Pointland, which was really interesting.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:25

Oh yeah, Safir takes him to Pointland.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:28

I there are some really, really stupid people. I know some people living in Pointland. I mean, you could argue we all do, right? But I like I really do who just like like you almost you're almost envious of them.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:40

Yes, I do. I remember a time in I think my freshman year when I said to my mom, I wish I was dumb so I didn't have to worry about getting good grades. And she was like, Don't say that.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:49

Or literally said that to me. He's like, I wish I was stupid. So I'm like, Do you realize that if you were stupider that taking the the the reason for the classes, I'm like, I maybe you are, dude. Think this through, man. Seriously, but that that okay, so that's a perfect example of why I like I'm not gonna lie, I like this because of the the nerdery of it and the the theology suggestions and the parallels there and and what maybe visions might have been like of like Dan were you know, Daniel Ezekiel, and and or just like anything in science that we're like we used to think that the sun revolved around the earth, and now we know that it doesn't, and it's crazy to think that people used to believe that, but they used to believe that, or like anything about how the human body works.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:38

They used to think that you they needed to bleed your blood out of your body, but now we know, of course, that's not correct, but people you know, like that's what it makes.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:45

You could go on and on and on. If you if you like that line of thinking, by the way, check out Bill Bryson's um A Brief History of Nothing.

unknown 1:02:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:54

It's it's a lot of it is on basically the history of science. Okay, but also just the nasty cattiness of scientists.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:04

Yeah, I think you've talked about that with me before.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:05

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:06

Alright, so we're a little a little less a little less than halfway uh through our 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:11

Pretty good explanation.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:13

So tell us there were three animated films, which I'm going to say I had no idea they were gonna be animated. Because I kept saying, I wonder how they're gonna do. Like, wonder about the storyline. What do you think they're gonna have like I didn't know if they were gonna make it like Alphanachis was gonna be walking around in the No, no, I didn't know if they were gonna make it like some sort of allegory? No, that's not the word. Allegories like like literally have like a village of simple people, and then like a city would be like I thought they were gonna represent sort of an allegory, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:45

It's a symbolic uh kind of an analog. Like an analog?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:49

Yeah, and like leave the shape stuff behind. Oh, people's eyes would be open. That's what I thought it was gonna be. But it was just animation of literally the squares and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:02

What was your favorite movie?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:04

Well, tell us all three what they were.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:06

Okay, so and okay, I'll do my best. They were hard to hunt down. I'm just gonna tell you that. 1965, there was a short 11-minute version.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:18

Harvard?

Piano Pop Opinions And Process

SPEAKER_01 1:04:19

Was it Harvard?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:20

Well, I think I saw Harvard with his name on there when we were Oh, was it?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:24

You know, I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:26

Okay, continue.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:27

But it was narrated by Dudley Moore.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:29

Wow. Um what else was he?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:32

Arthur?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:33

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:33

I don't know anything else he was in. I'm sure he was in a bunch of other stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:36

Continue.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:37

So I I I gotta say, I'm not gonna say I like that one the most. Because it was just the production value was terrible. Yeah. But I there's something about that delivery and and that old feeling.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:54

It reminds me of those commercials we were watching on PubD Hub. Yes, yeah. A couple times. Crying our eyes out. In laughter, I mean.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:04

And it reminded me, his his delivery kind of reminds me of like a British version of Don't look it up if you don't know it. But the assistant principal's big day that from Adam Sandler and they're all gonna laugh at you.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:16

Or he says, like, the principal I mean like his voice was it was very annoying the way he kept laughing, like it's like the uh sizes, triangles.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:28

But then he would say this is the power facilities will be moved into my office and uh just kind of But then he also would say it twice.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:35

He'd be like, Flatland triangle. Flatland triangle. Like he repeated a bunch of stuff unnecessarily.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:42

Is there a way we could do it in less than one take?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:45

I guess that's what we want. I wrote that it the first one that we watched was a depressing drug-addled fever dream.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:53

The first one, the one we're talking about, yeah. It's kind of amazing though what they were able to pack into 11 minutes.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

I said honestly, they covered the first half of the book really efficiently.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:04

They really did. Yeah. I was I was actually very impressed by it.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:08

And and they kind of just they basically what they did was they stayed, I'd say, probably the far truest to the book.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:16

But they what they did was just used editing. They just flat out omitted parts.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:19

Yeah, they just left the book.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:20

But they left the meat of it.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:22

It was actually it was the best one.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:24

I was very impressed. We probably could have caught it on that.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:26

We should have.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:28

What did you think about the second one?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:30

Okay. So the second one was made me kind of mad because they like totally like the wife was a square.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:41

The second one was really stupid.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:43

Yeah. I the They made they made this little girl like a main character. They totally changed like that's the one where she had to go where she found area fifty-one or whatever their version of it. None of that was in the uh where there was like a cube stuck in the flat land and they could see. Didn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:03

No, I I I really didn't like it. Um it reminded me of um It was kind of a classified as a mathematics uh or as an instructional um Sure, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:13

I here's some things I said. I was mad. I was mad. It had Kristen Bell, so if you like her, it was probably had to be one of her first things.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:21

Had uh Martin Sheen.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:24

Was in it.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:24

I was mad.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:25

I said, why Still Esteves was in it.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:27

I said, why is a wife a square and not just a line? That made me mad. And then also there were the the boss was a woman. And in the book it was like very chauvinistic. Pretty much misogynistic.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:39

It's just about how crappy women are treated in Victoria. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:43

So she would never have been a boss, and then I said, How can this be? And then I said it reminded me of 2D Sims. If there was a 2D Sims, that's what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:51

Oh, yeah, I could see that.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:52

I did like the way that they animated it, the way they illustrated them moving and interacting with their homes and their sinks and beds and Yeah, I I thought it was clever.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:04

I also hated it because I almost threw up like it the whole time.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:07

Yeah, because they would their their squares would spin, but they wouldn't, but their eye would stay in the same place, so it did kind of make you feel sick. I I agreed. And then um I was asking, I was wondering about Line Land. Do they just are they just always stuck in the same spot between the same people?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:27

Oh man, yes. Since they can't get out of that line, yes, they do have some movement, I believe.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:33

They can go left and right, but they can't.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:34

I was like, man, I need to re f refamiliarize myself with Line Land. Because I remember it it hit me when I was listening to it because I stopped and I was like writing it out and I was re-listening to stuff because I was trying to listen to how they communicate, how they find his wives, and how he knows how far away they're. Yeah. She's 7,000 meters down the, you know. And he explains it all, and it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:54

Yeah, but not rememberable.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:56

But I didn't rememberable. I'm just not that smart.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:59

All right. And then I also thought that one, the second one was kind of lazy because at one point they were the guards, the uh what were the isosceles triangles?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:09

They told the lady to sit down. And I was like, you can't, the whole premise of this, they keep saying upward, not northward. And then you so you can't tell someone, like you can't like they wouldn't have said sit down, lady.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:24

I think that's something where the writer could just claim that it was a joke. Just be like, oh, it's just a subtle. No, I'm just no. Well, one thing I will say. This is for you. Good catch. One thing I will say, this is not really me defending the writer, but one thing I did find interesting is, and they only hinted at this a couple times, but in both the book and in one of the movies, the law that the last one, where height does exist.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:52

It's not truly 2D. Right. It's just static.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:56

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:57

And we'll get to the third one in a second.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:59

And it's so infinitesimally small that it might as well not exist.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:06

It's that even the people who are that height can't comprehend their height.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:12

Um, and that one was 30 minutes, and it I was starting to get nervous for the last one.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:19

Which was an hour and a half.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:21

Yeah. Well, and we watched it on 1 and 0.5 speed, so.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:27

Didn't we? 1 and 0.25. One in 0.2 speed. Which was a good call. One and point two speed. One and point two five. See, I was paying attention to the math parts.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:37

So they had um they just went completely nuts in the 3D world. They invented an entire soap opera saga that did not exist.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:50

The the first half so the first half was a bit of a departure, but it captured kind of the essence of of the darkness, first of all.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:01

Yeah, I I thought it I thought it started out okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:04

Yeah, I was like, this is cool. It's not the same, but I see what he's doing. That's cool. He's he's got it. The voice acting is a little meh, but I'm with him. And then the second half. I do want to talk a little bit about the the first half. Number one, one thing I loved was where they show you in the beginning of what it looks like to live in flatland.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:26

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:27

That was awesome.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:28

I liked it.

Flatland Setup: Why Dimensions Matter

SPEAKER_01 1:11:29

I didn't read I think Edwin Abbott, the one who the guy who wrote it in 1884, the polymath priest or whatever, he he um, and this wasn't a I don't think this this book was a big deal in his day, but anyways, he did have drawings. And he expla he maps out, yeah, and they they may have they may have been like that, but they they just flat out do it. And the narrator was this this snarky reminded me of that project you me and your sister worked on, that couple of jerks.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:56

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:57

Where it was like it was I forgot about customers. I loved the idea, but it wasn't a good tutorials, tutorials for business, where you where the writer who writes the tutorials just makes fun of the the entire time. She wrote it and then I added to it. I actually had a ton of fun. That was a fun project, but I don't think it sold. Anyways, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:17

Now I think they did a good job on the third one with animation on showing the square, because I was like, how can the square exist in the 3D world? But literally they just picked him up like a piece of paper. And I thought that was a good illustration against the 3D shapes. But the 3D shape world when they went bananas with the plot line and everything, did that not remind you of like the very early days of when our we would let our kids look watch YouTube?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:44

Oh, totally.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:44

And they would find the dumbest computer animated crap that would have somehow have unexpectedly like 15. Millions of views.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:58

It was so it was rough, it was it was not great. Um I I want to give them a little bit. So number one, they really went into I couldn't tell if this guy was religious or if he hated religion. The guy who made it Ellinger. No.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:17

Oh, oh, the one the creator of the three.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:19

Yeah, because it was so I mean the name of the Sphere Land company was like Messiah Incorporated. And there was so much you talk about, uh, what'd you say, illusion or yeah, I said allegory.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:29

I don't think that's the right word. We'll find out next week in corrections corner.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:32

There's so there's so much like so many subtle religious handoffs. Yeah. Or nods and you know A-L-L illusion. Yeah, yes. And which was uh I don't I would I would I'll put it this way. I would rather talk to that guy. I would like to have a beer with that guy instead of watch his movie again. Because I kind of want to see what he was going for.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:57

But this He didn't even tell the rest of the story, which is that the that the square was imprisoned for talking about 3D spheres.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:05

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:06

At all. Which I felt like kind of s wraps up all the satire.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:10

The the the the it had a happy ending. The second one had a stupid happy ending, didn't it? It was like so dumb. All right. Um, but in this one, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:20

The square just disappears off into oblivion and this and they like come on the the comm and they're like, a sphere is dead. His the sphere that came to get him was called a sphere, not oh, a sphere. Like A B C A Sphere.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:35

The what I th what this is I'm I'm taking a swing at this. What I think he was going for was trying to establish how insane infinity is and how crazy it is to chase the next the next thing that we will never know because we can't even understand the things.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:51

That is generous of you.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:54

The but the reason I say it's probably right though. The reason I say it is because it's the entire reason I like the book. And I'm I'm sure this guy liked the book too. Yeah. So I think that's what he was going for. Do you think there's absolute madness?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:09

You know?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:10

Do you think there there was any reason because those two animated ones that we watched both came out in 2007? That's just pure coincidence.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:18

How freaking hard it is to find a movie that no one's seen that both came out in 2007.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:24

But I mean, isn't it is that coincidence? Or do you think somebody was like shopping around and they didn't get the bid, so they went ahead and made it?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:30

I couldn't find I couldn't find anything on it. I didn't look that hard. Rob Corrections Corner. I do, I do that is a good question. I would I certainly thought about it. But it it's one of those things that's really difficult to Google. You have to keep you have to make sure you Google the elegant.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:45

I think I have a theory.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:46

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:46

I think there was a math conference, and I think some PhD students were like there was a contest and animating that book, and then those two came out of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:58

You think so?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:59

That's what I think. I think it's something incredibly plain and boring like Martin Sheen's like old. Martin Sheen and Christopher was probably not very good.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:07

Joe Estevez. Do you know the uh dynamics between uh Joe Esteves, Martin Sheen, Emilio Estevez, and Charlie Sheen?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:13

Okay. Emilio and Charlie are brothers, right? Yes. And Martin is their dad? Yes. I don't know about Joe, though.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:18

He's their uncle.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:19

Oh, okay. See Martin's brother?

unknown 1:16:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:21

And who's the real Estevez?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:26

I'm glad we got through that. Now, my qu I have a question for you in the last three minutes.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:29

We talked about the Chromas, the Chromas.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:31

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:32

I feel like that's That guy's voice was insane.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:34

It was just like a lot of bloody murder, and one of them they burned a baby.

unknown 1:16:39

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:40

Dude, dude, definitely. A baby square, whatever, but it was best.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:43

Have you you haven't played, I know you haven't played the game Pong Combat, have you? Never.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:46

It's a game back in like Pong.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:49

Like Mortal Kombat. Pong? Yeah, it was Pong. It was made in like '94 and '94.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:53

Your feet are in my area. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:54

Sorry. And right after Mortal Kombat, and it was a Pong parody. This reminded me so much of that, where you have fatalities and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:02

I can imagine what that might be like. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:05

Yeah, like blood, like squares getting ripped to half, and then like this like weird blood coming out of them. Excuse me. Okay, here's my question.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:12

Yeah, please.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:13

It's a little twofold.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:15

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:16

If this book excuse me, I had a little throat burp. Excuse my burps. If this book could be presented to a person in Pointland that could under like how we were saying there's dumb people and they don't know they're dumb. If that could be, if this book information could be presented to a person in Pointland where they could read it and understand it, would it then change their life?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:42

You're talking about our point land?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:43

Yes. Our dumb people. We love everyone.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:47

Uh here's the thing. So I do think there's a difference between curiosity, desire, which is probably part of curios curiosity. Basically the desire to learn. Just being interested in things. There's a lot of stupid people who have incredible curiosities that do wonderful things. But I mean, do you think that this is But with that said, I think it would depend on the I'd say it's more dependent on whether that person is curious than whether because they don't there's a lot of really smart people who have no interest in reading this book.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:21

True.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:22

Right. Um I'd say there's just as many dumb people who do have an interest in reading it. And if it is well written, I think it would blow their minds. Now the only problem with it, and you have this with smart people too, is something like the Dunning Kruger Kruger or Krieger effect, you know what I'm talking about? Where like when you know a little bit, you think you know so much, and then yeah, yeah. You'd have a lot of extra.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:43

I feel like that's relative to your what you actually some version of some. You have a lot of like flat earther kind of We're gonna have to do something incredibly stupid next week because we have really just pushed the boundaries of our academic uh prowess here.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:59

I just want to give a quick little nod to Colin Turnbull. That's one of my favorite experiments that or studies, I guess, who's an anthropologist, I think. I think that's what he reconsidered. And he worked with these um Mabuti people.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:13

Yeah. That lived in the is this the perspective guy?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:16

Okay. Yes. Anyways, this the the the world was so dense that they're there, I this is this is real life. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:25

This isn't about squares.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:26

This is not about squares anymore. Trees, it's about cylinders. And the world was so dense that it was very rare for them to see really like ten feet ahead of them. So Turnbull takes takes them out. Is it Turnbull? Yeah. He takes them out. I think it's Trenchball. He takes this guy named uh King. I didn't write it down. I think his name's Kingy. Kingy. If he's listening, sorry, buddy, if I'm screwing your name up. Takes them out to like a hillside, and there's Buffalo on the other side of the hill. Like, let's just call it a quarter mile away. And It's really small and the kingy thinks it's a bug.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:03

Well, you you didn't really explain that they had been living in an incredible.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:09

They maybe you did. Sorry. I guess we'll find out when we go back and re-listen. But they've been living in an incredibly dense forest. Therefore, they had no they'd never seen beyond what 10, 15 feet away from them because they could not.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:24

You did? Yeah. That's okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:25

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:26

I certainly thought it.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:28

Guess we're done.

Flatland’s Society, Satire, And Rules

SPEAKER_01 1:20:29

No, no, no. It's okay. This is a lesson. It's a lesson for me, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:33

We needed a new corner and so then when he went out on the hill and saw the buffalo far away that were small because of depth perception.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:40

I honestly thought they were bugs. And then when he came up to him, he just absolutely blew his mind apart. Can you imagine? That's the closest thing I think to the world.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:49

That happened to me to an extent when I went parasailing. We were up so high, but I didn't realize how high we were because there was really no landmarks around because we were out in the o, you know, in the bay or whatever, so we were far enough away from land. And I was thought it was that some trash had fallen out of the boat, like below my feet. It looked like a like honestly, I thought it was a candy bar wrapper. And then it dove under the water and I realized it was a pelican. Like I had no idea how high we actually were in the air. Yeah, it's pretty parasailing. And then I realized it was a pelican, which is much bigger than a candy wrapper, but I was just so far away I had like lost my frame of reference.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:32

So Yeah, that is nuts.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:34

It was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:35

But imagine being like never having seen anything, never having a concept of it.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:39

And not knowing immediately, oh my gosh, it's a pelican. Yeah. And I feel like you might break.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:44

I yeah, I don't know what happened to poor Kane, but I'm sure it's probably deemed unethical now. But how how would he know? Um anything else you want to say about Flatland?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:53

No, I I enjoyed this endeavor though. I just I'd look forward to do something like this.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:58

I love stuff that makes me look at life differently. It changes my perspective.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:02

That's which is how we got to that.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:04

But yeah, it it's it if you have if if any of that sounds interesting to you at all, you should give it a shot. What do you think? Book, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:13

Read it. I mean it lists don't bother. Or maybe find like a cliff's notes version of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:21

Or maybe watch the first just watch the Dudley Moore version. Yeah. If that any of that appeals to you.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:26

All right. Thanks for doing that. That was a fun little activity, though. I liked it.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:30

You all right.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:31

15 minutes on the clock.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:33

Shangri-Laz.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:34

Leader of the Pack.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:35

Leader of the Pack, 1964 Red Bird Records, written by Jeff Berry and Ellie Greenwich. We do not have time to talk about them, but they wrote a ton of songs together. A lot of them sound like this.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:48

But we do have time to say that the Shangri-Laz was two sets of twins.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:52

It had two sets of twins, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:54

The uh the Ganser, the Ganser sisters, Mary Ann and Marge.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:01

Margie.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:02

Ganser.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:03

Ganser.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:04

Margie.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:04

And then Mary and Betty Weiss. Mary was the lead singer.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:08

That's right. Um they were kind of like a uh, anyways, back this this was number one, Hot 100. Could you imagine a song like this being on number one now?

SPEAKER_04 1:23:19

I was trying to think about that. I was trying to think of any other song that was so like theatrical that's that's been out. Thriller is pretty theatrical.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:28

Yeah, I mean like Uptown Funk or something like that, but that's But that doesn't really do it. That's good, it's a straight groove.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:35

Like Thriller has like this creaking door and then the Vincent Price rap, and you know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:44

Yeah, I I don't know. I I it it's kind of like a I I'll think of something as soon as we stop, but it's kind of like a uh artifact.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:53

You know, like it's just it's a snapshot, you mean at the time. Um is that what that means when you say it's an artifact?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:59

Yeah, it's I I think I'm using that right, but yeah, I'm sure you are.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:02

I just want to show you.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:02

Shadow Morton was the producer, and it's got a lot, he's got like a seems to have like a real Phil Spectre sound, like that wallah sound, like like you know, the be my little baby kind of stuff. Yeah. It sounds very similar, especially if you listen to the rest of their stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:17

No, I would have told you before we sat down and learned this that this was that same chord progression that you play in our theme song. It's I just never I just assumed it was the da da da da the or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:33

But it's not.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:33

It's not at all. Not at all. It's very different than I thought it was. I just never had given it any.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:39

What is it? What do what what is it doing? There are some there's some some issues.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:45

It's just mixolydian.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:47

Is it yeah, you're right. We talked about this already, didn't we? But not on air. Not on the air. But it has a key change.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:54

It does have a key change, but it remains mixolydian, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:58

The key change is only kind of toward the end, though. Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:01

Um you get a whole verse and ending. That's it's a little bit solidly changes key and stays there. You're right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:10

You're right. I'm sorry. It's okay. Uh B side. What is it?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:15

Oh, wait, wait, wait. I just wanted to tell you what ChatGPT had to say.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:19

Oh, oh, please tell me. ChatGPT and I, did you not hear how we're fighting?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:23

Well, that's why I have to tell you because you didn't already hear it. Apparently, I think this is true or not, you tell me. You guys can comment whether or not you think this is right. Mary, the lead singer, they recorded this when she was 16. He made her sing it over Shadow Morton made her sing it over and over until she was emotionally exhausted and then used the final take, which is why her voice sounds cracked and desperate at the end. And then this is what ChatGPT has to say about that. That wasn't studio polish. That was a teenager breaking in front of a microphone.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:56

That's just what we need. I think Staley Cooper could do that to people.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:02

Um, but anyways, uh that's well it apparently was based on a real story where she actually had a boyfriend that um her parents didn't like, but he didn't die.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:13

He didn't die. No. He didn't die in a horrific car accident. Motorcycle accident.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:18

Sorry. Bike. Well some people call him bikes.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:21

How did he? Did he hit a car?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:24

I think it just slipped out. I begged him to go slow.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:27

He did it go slow.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:28

Well, he heard me. I'll never know. He didn't go slow.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:32

This this genre of music is insane. I keep gotta keep I gotta get a new word with an insane.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:39

Alright, but I'm ready now for covers and B-sides and all the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:42

Death discs.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:43

Death discs. Yeah. Where people die in the song.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:45

Teenage tragedy.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:46

Is that the the one what was the other one you were saying the other day?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:50

Uh Last Kiss? Tell Laura I Love Her.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:54

No, it's two people. Dead Man's Curve. Yeah, yeah. Dead Man's Curve. Jan and Dean. Mm-hmm. Alright, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:59

Yeah. That's like what can you imagine if like there was just a whole slew of songs that were coming out that were I I think that's I think it's a bit more. That were about teenagers dying and terrible.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:12

People, I don't know. People used to teenagers were basically adults.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:16

No, I know. It's not that I have a problem with it.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:18

No, no. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:19

It's just goofy. It's just I think, yeah, it's fine.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:22

It's perfect. Guys, this is I'm just saying, I think culturally the times were different.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:27

Yeah, but it's I I I just want to be in a I want to I want to know what it was like for it to be cool, like a like a can for a candy store for the leader of a biker game to be in the candy. Because like have any of your any of your motorcycle romance novels ever opened up in a candy store?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:46

No, but there is one that where he um the girl owns a bakery. That's getting close. I know, it's pretty close. I bet they were inspired by this.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:54

These girls were considered like the Shangri Laws were kind of like a bad girl group.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:57

Oh. I said they broke up because they fought a lot.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:00

One of them. Oh, did I tell you she OD'd?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:02

No, on what?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:03

22 heroine. Candy.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:06

22?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:07

Sweet. Heroine and sweetheart.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:10

Was there heroin in the 60s?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:12

Yeah. This was 1970, but there sure, sure was.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:17

Sorry to hear that. Sorry to hero that.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:20

This is like, honestly, I don't I don't actually like this song. Like, as far as I I love it. But I I've never listened to this for anything other than to just hilarity. Laugh and yeah, which is kind of, I don't know. Everybody does that, right? Like, is this sad? This is probably considered to be pretty sad. Or was this I hope I don't think it was ironic.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:41

No, I I think it was, yeah, they were really going for the get the teenager audience hooked in.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:46

You listen to any covers of it?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:47

No, but you told me about one Twisted Sister. Yeah. This is terrible.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:51

It's got like the background singers are like, they all sound like Stewie when he's like, Hey, your sister say anything about me?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:59

What they're talking about. When he's like trying to sound street. Hey, by the way, would you meet her?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:04

It's so stupid.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:05

Are they British?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:07

Uh no. Okay. No. D. Snyder. No, he's not British.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:10

I don't know anything about them.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:11

Bet Midler.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:12

She has one?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:13

She has like a is it terrible? I would. Yeah, I didn't love it. It's not terrible. I wouldn't call it terrible. It's just it is unnecessary.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:22

Uh-huh. Well, the song arguably might be an unnecessary thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:26

Yeah, well, fair. It was like what Tina Turner did to Proud Mary, which was cool. What?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:31

That's not unnecessary.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:32

No, no, no, no. That's not what I meant. That's not what I said.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:34

Okay.

Lineland, The Sphere, And Seeing 3D

SPEAKER_01 1:29:35

I said also you didn't let me say it. Sorry. She.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:44

I am sorry, and I'm listening now. You talk.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:47

She speeds it up and makes it turns it into like a it picks up, it starts slow and then picks up.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:53

That sounds dumb.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:53

It's dumb. Yeah, it is. But not as dumb as Alvin and the Chipmunks version. I can't listen to them anymore. I don't know why they were ever charming.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:03

I'm sorry. Anymore?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:06

Well, you never look like watched Alvin and the Chipmunks when you were a kid?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:10

Yeah, but I didn't like listen to them.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:13

You did if you watched the show.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:15

They had like music I liked it when Britney was the mean story.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:19

Britney sings it.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:20

Okay. Well, I bet it's awful.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:21

It's so bad. I've watched listen to four seconds of it.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:24

Singing it?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:25

Yeah. And then Leader of the Laundromat, but the detergents in 1964. Was that good? No.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:34

Oh. It had so much potential.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:37

It's like a I don't it's so, it's like obviously incredibly close to the song. But it's not the song. So much so that it almost seemed like they were maybe trying to get away with copyright infringement or something. But it's it's so bad. I can't wait to listen to that. I'm gonna have to.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:53

You shouldn't listen to it. Leader of the laundromat by the detergents. Alright. Cover?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:02

Who so this is the part where we talk about what by the way, the B side to this song kind of sucks. Like the actual one. What is love? I didn't like it. I really like uh Remember that song they did. That's a good I think that's a pretty good song. Okay, enough we're not talking about Shangri Laws, even though I kind of want to, but it's okay. We're done. Um oh, one more thing. Can I say one more thing?

SPEAKER_04 1:31:26

Yes. You can say it.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:29

Billy Joel played the piano on the song.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:32

In real the real?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:33

Not the recorded version, in the demo version.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:36

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:37

Yeah, crazy. There's a British invasion cover band called The Echoes at the time.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:42

Oh my gosh, Billy.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:46

I think so.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:47

Yes. Yes. He is. I think he's I think he went back on tour. You might have gotten sick or something. I'm confusing things. Alright. Dream covers. Yeah. So if I could hear anybody cover this song, who would I like to?

SPEAKER_04 1:31:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:01

My first thought was like, what would be like a bad girl kind of posse to do this?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:07

I went all in on all of that.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:08

Contemporary era?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:10

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:10

Well, I might we may have the same one.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:13

We'll have to kiss if we do.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:15

Oh yeah?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:18

What? What's that mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:19

We're secretly, uh, secretly grooming you into OnlyFans channel.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:23

Robert! I will not be secretly groomed. You'll groom me in the open.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:30

Sit on this, uh, never mind. Okay, so I was gonna say uh this is not my pick. But you can do yours first, and then I'll share that. And then Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:40

I went with the Lady Marmalade lineup. Is that the one you didn't choose?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:45

That's the one I didn't choose.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:47

Which is Christine Aguilera, Maya, Pink, and Little Ken.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:52

Yes. I had a very similar initial take, uh-huh, which was Arena Grande, Jesse J, and Nikki Minaj.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:59

Oh, yeah, with a bang bang.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:01

I actually kind of like that song.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:03

That's a great song. Um that was my original B-side.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:08

What was it?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:09

But I changed it. Well, what I decided, get out of my head.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:13

What I decided to go with was Tenacious D.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:16

Oh, that bet that would be great.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:17

Jack Black and Kyle Glass. Yeah, that's a good choice. Because when we did this cover, I was uh, you might say I was hamming it up a little bit. And I was thinking Jack Black. Jack Black would really like to be a good one.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:29

That's a great cover.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:30

Um, thank you so much, honey.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:32

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:33

What about for uh B-side?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:35

The Nancy Sinatra, My Baby Shot Me Down.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:38

Oh bang bang.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:40

That's where I went, and I was like, no, I want this I was having GO6. Is that in uh that's in Kill Bill, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:33:51

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:52

Um My Baby Shot Me Down.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:57

That's how Blaine uh made a lot of money on Nancy Sinatra.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:00

Oh, I don't know anything about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:02

He's a drummer. We've talked about him two or three times on the show already. I think he had a similar response every time. And then I think I might have said that every time.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:08

Oh my gosh. Most of our podcast is just us repeating similar sound bites. It's fine. All right, who's your B side?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:16

I I was I was thinking Ragdoll by four seasons.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:23

Ragdoll. Is that how it goes?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:26

Uh-huh. I can't I can't do the falsetto. It's um, you don't want that.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:33

Just do the setto.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:38

Ragdoll, such a pretty face.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:43

I it's got the same kind of feel. I actually like that song. It's so stupid, but I I really do I like it.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:49

Such a pretty face. But she was only 12, so we had to wait for another year before we could go out with her. We're 35.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:57

That's my boy Gary Puckett.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:58

Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:59

Not to be confused with Kirby Puckett, who may have also. I don't know. I don't want to speak all the dead. Carl Malone, let's just stop there.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:07

Okay. Um, you got a soundtrack that you'd like to hear this on?

SPEAKER_04 1:35:11

Well, I I couldn't really come up with something I like wanted to hear it on, but I can tell you what can't won't stop playing in my head is a SpongeBob scene.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:22

Which one?

SPEAKER_04 1:35:23

I don't know if they did a scene like this. Or if my brain is just paring how easily this song would go over a SpongeBob. Because you know the old they always have like the fangirls, like when Pearl has her friends.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:39

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:40

And there's like they're all fish.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:41

Very, very 50s kind of.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:43

Yes. That is all I could see is like SpongeBob like going bad and like riding a motorcycle and like like Pearl wanting to go out with him, and Krabs saying you can't go out with him, Mr. Krabs. That's all I could see. So that's what I went with. I don't I'm wondering if they have done something.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:00

No, no, there's been a lot of Spongebob episodes. I feel like that's uh it's right there for the for the taking.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:06

Yeah, but that's that is what I can't I cannot unsee that. I know I keep touching this, guys. You're gonna love it. Really? I'm just touching the spine. Because I want to move around. I don't have a little fun seat like you do.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:19

You should get a fun seat.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:20

I hated it at that moment.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:21

The listeners have to suffer because you are too proud to sit on this fun seat.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:25

I'm not proud of anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:27

I'm so proud of you.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:28

I'm so proud of me. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:31

Alright. So first first thought was Rebel Without a Cause. I've never seen it. I I'll watch it one of these days. It's just then I thought then I thought my my soundtrack is not really a soundtrack. Well, then I thought Happy Gilmore.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:54

Only because of uh cover your mouth up more so. Only because of Virginia Bennett. Virginia Bett Vennett, where she's like, Happy look out. I just want the sound by soundtrack, I mean I want them to take the sound bite of her saying, look out, look out, look out, look out, huh? Somehow do you that's a joke for very few people.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:17

Yeah. Well, a lot of things on this podcast are for very few people.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:21

And then and then I'm thinking Tom, boy.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:25

I think it'd be uh I think you use use the effects of it from uh when he's do you know what's scene?

SPEAKER_04 1:37:30

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:31

I knew it. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:33

Oh yeah. Okay, let's hear it.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:35

You don't even care.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:36

I care. Why do you think I don't care? Oh no, the podcast is over. Say it really fast so we can wrap up and get out of here.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:46

You know the part where he's driving along, he's driving along.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:50

Oh no. Oh, yeah, I do know that part. That's a good part for this song.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:57

I like it. What's high-five about it? Why am I a punk? I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:05

Always oh is there anything there's nothing else you want to talk about for uh anything at all?

SPEAKER_04 1:38:12

I loved doing that. That was very fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:15

It was fun. We wanted something we're gonna do Old Friend by Rancid, which we will probably two weeks from now.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:23

I think so.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:24

I gotta tab out that bass line.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:25

I just didn't. I can't I can't quite figured out how I want to do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:29

But it was just it was a fun thing. Yeah, I was like, I know I know we can do this song because I don't And we pretty much pulled it off with like zero prep, which I don't think is gonna come across at the end of the day. No, you're not gonna be impressed. You're gonna listen to it and be like, wow, they've definitely played this more than five times.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:46

No, we sat down, played it twice at the end of the table.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:51

Well, yeah, with nothing. I was playing nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:54

And then we're just kind of mapping out, listening to it and mapping out the ooze and ahs and the doo-doo-doos and the look out, look outs. Check it out, guys. It's uh it's a real treat. I uh I really screwed up mastering it was a pain in the butt because uh motorcycle noises. Motorcycle noises were just blown away.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:12

Well, yeah, it also featured you on the motorcycle. On the bike, as some people say.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:17

Apparently they take a real motorcycle into the studio.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:20

Of course they did.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:21

I've gotten conflicting results searching.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:24

Did you did you look it up in the John Hopkins Medical Library to see if they knew? Or did you ask Garrett, our anesthesiologist brother-in-law? Yeah. See if he knew.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:34

There's a joke for for the for the 19.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:37

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:37

For the 18 18? What'd I say, 18 or 19? This is 19. This is 19th episode, but 18 subscribers on YouTube.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:43

Should I look? I'll look while you guys are while you guys are uh wrapping up.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:48

So guys, uh speaking of YouTube, why don't you go ahead and like and subscribe if you're on there? Check out our covers. We've done 19 of them. That's crazy. We're building a set list.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:58

We have a set list, don't worry, we haven't. Touched it since we did it though.

Pointland And Perspective Shifts

SPEAKER_01 1:40:02

And then we uh we are on Spotify and Apple Music and all the podcasting platforms. If you'd rather listen to that, you can't get the cover on that for copyright reasons. Terrific.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:13

Terrific. High five me. All right. For love for marriage.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:17

Well that's to everyone.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:19

Goodbye.