Working Out with Migraines, Tom Petty's Wildflowers & The Cactus Blossoms | Ep 22

We trace a practical path for working out with migraines while still living a full life, then unwind with Russian Doll’s brainy chaos and a warm Tom Petty cover. Hydration, mobility, and smarter intensity take center stage as we trade stories, fixes, and a few laughs.

• quick cold open, studio banter, and setup
• corrections corner on TV, films, and names
• Uncle Dan as future fact-checker and sidekick
• album swap: The Cactus Blossoms, sound and influences
• Bob James live set, band notes, and takeaways
• Russian Doll seasons one and two with spoilers
• reading, games, and media we’re into now
• migraine triggers, auras, and fast response plan
• hydration targets, warm-ups, and cool-downs
• neck and shoulder mobility to reduce triggers
• training tweaks: belt squats, easy strength, lower max effort
• covering Tom Petty’s Wildflowers and favorite covers

Check out our cover of Wildflowers on YouTube and subscribe. Leave a comment, send us an email at audiencewontlikeit@gmail.com, and tell us what to sing next

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Transcript

Cold Open, Banter, And Show Setup

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Basically, the moment I have an aura, like the moment I realize it's on, uh like you'll see me. I'll be like hang on.

unknown 0:09

Crap!

SPEAKER_00 0:10

And I'll just go, I'll leave, I'll take a handful of pills, and then go lay down. Oh hello.

SPEAKER_03 0:16

Hi.

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Two married friends in a corner of a room, surrounded by blanket and a puppy and two microphones. They got in a car crash. She died in his arms. He kissed her lips. No not it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00

I still remember how much I loved it when you gave that surprise line.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Which one?

SPEAKER_03 1:08

She was still warm. And then I like the slide you do with that part. Great. Welcome to the show. The pew she was so.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Oh, yeah, the uh the the uh little kiss her lips.

SPEAKER_03 1:25

Yeah, yep, that's what I like.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

It's it's my favorite thing in the world.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

Aww. We have our special dog joining us from the studio today.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Kissing dead bodies to Littlewing is one of my favorite And to puppy pets.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

Simple joys and the puppy pets.

SPEAKER_03 1:39

Puppy pets.

SPEAKER_00 1:40

Oh, let me put my kissing dead bodies of ones I love.

SPEAKER_03 1:44

Oh. Just one specific one.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

Yeah, just you, baby.

SPEAKER_03 1:48

Thank you. Welcome to our show. This is Skull The Audience Won't Like It. We promise not to talk about dead bodies anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

No, we don't. We don't at all.

SPEAKER_03 1:54

Until in a few minutes when we forget that we promised it. But it's okay. We'll be talking about it. We don't owe you or owe you anything.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

If we if if Russian doll comes up today, we'll be talking about dead bodies a little bit. Oh my gosh. Just a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

I think we have planned for it to come up. Uh all right. Well, this is a podcast.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

What's wrong?

SPEAKER_03 2:11

I was gonna introduce our podcast.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

Could you go ahead?

SPEAKER_03 2:14

I'd love to, but you're giving me weirdo loves.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

I know. I just want to shake you up a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 2:19

Try to force the frivolity antics at the beginning. That's all right.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Let's get forced.

SPEAKER_03 2:24

So, anyway, here we are. We're standing in line for a concert. Uh and every week we stand in line for a concert. You know when you stand in line for a concert and they haven't opened the doors yet, you're just kind of like ho-hum, just shuffling back and forth and just, you know, getting to know some of the weirdos around you. If it was me, if I was by myself, I wouldn't talk to anyone at all. Not because I don't like people, but I just it'd just be easier for everyone. But but since we're with Rob.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

You like me.

SPEAKER_03 2:48

I like you, but you also talk to everyone. Everyone. Remember when we first moved here and the kid everywhere we went, the kid said, Daddy, do you know that person?

SPEAKER_00 2:55

Yeah, do you know him? No. No, I don't. No. Why are we talking to him? Because that's what I do. That's what I do. Because that's what Daddy does, baby.

SPEAKER_03 3:02

Genetic. Uh so anyway. But sometimes you know you do talk to people and some weirdo stuff might come up and you might eventually land on a main topic. You might. Uh then when you finally get in to see the concert, the big joke of the podcast is that it's not gonna be Tom Petty today. It's gonna be me and Rob. We're gonna be singing. That's the big joke, guys. That's the big joke. We're gonna be singing you a little Tom Petty song.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Wildflowers.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

Wildflowers.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

1994.

SPEAKER_03 3:26

We're trying to manifest spring. Summer.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

Keep manifesting.

SPEAKER_03 3:30

Yeah, we're just drowning in snow here.

SPEAKER_00 3:32

Hopefully it'll be a little bit warmer by the time this airs.

SPEAKER_03 3:35

Me too. Me too, hopefully. So anyway, let's get going.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

Shall we?

SPEAKER_03 3:39

Yeah, you ought to jump. Oh, what about our baby Uncle Dan?

SPEAKER_00 3:42

Oh, well, baby Uncle Dan couldn't make it tonight.

SPEAKER_03 3:44

Whatever. What kind of conflicts did he have? Did he say?

SPEAKER_00 3:48

There was a little uh he was hanging out with Chris last night. Uh huh.

SPEAKER_03 3:52

And um He got too tired from staying up too late.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

I think it's safe to say hilarity ensued.

SPEAKER_03 4:00

I bet so. I wonder if they sat on that couch.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

So what what what Leslie's talking about, um oh, the couch, the Thomasville one?

SPEAKER_03 4:08

Yeah, but he gave it to Chris.

SPEAKER_00 4:09

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

So now everyone gets a Thomasville couch. You get a Thomasville couch.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

So what what Leslie's talking about is we were fooling around with the idea, and we still are, of working Uncle Dan into the show.

SPEAKER_03 4:23

Because he needs to be here.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

He he really needs to be. Yeah, he's gonna be our uh he was Sydney, uh like Jamie from Joe Rogan, kind of.

SPEAKER_03 4:30

I really need or Steven from my favorite murder. Oh, see the uh Steven kind of talks like uh Logan.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

Like like our nephew Logan?

SPEAKER_03 4:39

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

Okay, Logan can be on the show too.

SPEAKER_03 4:41

Yeah, he could.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

We'll call him Steven, of course. Yes, of course. Steven. Steven. Rickadaka, tick, tock, tick, tock, tick.

SPEAKER_03 4:49

Anyway, Uncle Dan might make some appearances. So you know, like stay tuned.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Stay tuned. Have you ever seen the movie with John Ritter?

SPEAKER_03 4:56

Stay tuned. No.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

It's a gym.

SPEAKER_03 4:59

Is it?

SPEAKER_00 4:59

No. Um, I don't think I even liked it that much when I was a kid and I watched it. You know, when you're a kid, you like everything? I liked parts of it.

SPEAKER_03 5:06

I never had that.

SPEAKER_00 5:08

John Ritter never did it for me.

SPEAKER_03 5:09

No, he looks like he's trying too hard. Sorry, John, is he dead? Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

I think he was a I think he was like a super great guy. I liked him as well.

SPEAKER_03 5:17

He can attend the concert. He can attend it.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

He can Okay.

SPEAKER_03 5:23

We're put we're getting a concert put together, aposthumous.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

I don't like John Ritter as much as I want to like John Ritter. I'll just say that.

SPEAKER_03 5:30

You know, he was out at a time when there was a lot of there was a lot of competition. I feel like.

SPEAKER_00 5:35

Yeah. I'm trying to think of it.

SPEAKER_03 5:37

Who were his contemporaries? Some 90s comedians.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

I would say probably uh obviously Christopher Lloyd.

SPEAKER_03 5:43

Obviously. Really? I thought John Ritter was a little younger than that.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

Jeff Goldblum.

SPEAKER_03 5:49

Oh, of course. Um the Tyrannosaurus Rex.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

Yeah, pretty much the whole cast of uh Buckaroo Bonsai. I think Mark it corrected him.

Corrections Corner

SPEAKER_03 5:57

I thought you meant Jurassic Park. I thought you meant I'm having a thing where we haven't recorded and we we're we've pushed this off a little bit this time as we had a lot of stressful events in our lives. And I think I've forgotten how to talk to the microphone because I keep looking down at it when I have something to say.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

You don't have to look even look at it. All you your mouth, your lips just have to look at it. Your eyes can look at me. That's the how you do it, baby. Hey, let's go into uh Corrections Corner. Corrections Corner is where we go through and we answer questions that didn't get answered, and we correct the correct misspoken things that I said and usually that I said. And we also this might be a placeholder where maybe we just sit there and we talk to Uncle Dan for a little while.

SPEAKER_03 6:39

Oh, Uncle Dan, what have you been into? Yeah. Ohio Briar.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Uncle Dan will come up in this. Uh Ohio Briar Pipes. You want some pipes? Custom pipes. Custom pipes. Pipe camp.

SPEAKER_03 6:47

I can you can you link to Pipe Camp through Ohio Briar?

SPEAKER_00 6:50

Yeah, he does. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:51

Is he the Dean of Pipe Camp?

SPEAKER_00 6:52

He is the Dan, the Dean of Pipe Camp. Yeah. He's the Dan. He's like the the opposite of community. Instead of working Dean into everything, he works Dan into Deans. Yeah. It's a kind of a niche thing. But anyways, um a little ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 7:09

Uh just a time check because we started at about 345.

SPEAKER_00 7:12

Oh, okay. So and and it is what now?

SPEAKER_03 7:14

Uh 354.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

Okay. Look at that.

SPEAKER_03 7:17

Oh, a nine-minute intro. We're doing great.

SPEAKER_04 7:19

That's what we do.

SPEAKER_00 7:21

All right. Difference between a onesie and a romper.

SPEAKER_03 7:25

How is this made corrections corny?

SPEAKER_00 7:27

I wanted to put it in there. I wanted to get real real truth on this subject.

SPEAKER_03 7:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

Um, you know, snaps are tend to be on the onesies.

SPEAKER_03 7:35

Yeah, like I said.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

However, yeah, we both kind of said that. But really, what we're talking about, the main difference, the thing that really splits them down the middle is the presence of legs.

SPEAKER_03 7:45

Oh, rompers have legs. Rompers have legs. Shorts or pants or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Onesies don't have it.

SPEAKER_03 7:50

Onsies are just shirts with snaps.

SPEAKER_00 7:51

Although the thing is though, if you see a baby wearing a onesie with legs, like shorts, let's say, you're not gonna call it a romper, are you?

SPEAKER_03 8:04

Well I probably would, yeah. Would you? Yeah, I think I think you're right. I'm gonna go for it. Legs, shorts or pants. Snaps or not, it's a romper.

SPEAKER_04 8:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 8:15

No pants, it's a onesie.

SPEAKER_04 8:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 8:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 8:19

I'm going for it.

SPEAKER_03 8:20

When you're an adult though, the onesie is called a bodysuit.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 8:24

I'm telling you that that is an absolute fact. Do not bring it back up in Corrections Corner.

SPEAKER_00 8:29

Does it have snaps?

SPEAKER_03 8:30

Yeah, it can. Or it can just be straight up a pair of underwear.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 8:33

With a shirt.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Have you seen a bodysuit before?

SPEAKER_03 8:35

Yeah, I have one. Our daughter has a couple.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

Are they like dance related?

SPEAKER_03 8:40

No. I mean like a leotard. See, there's all kinds of names for similar cut clothing. We should move on. What's next in Corrections Corner, honey, baby?

SPEAKER_00 8:50

Um the Brazilian soap opera, the longest running from Brazilian soap opera. I think I called it like Mal Mahaso. That's not at all how you say it. Um it's how would you pronounce M-A-L-H-A C with a little beard on the bottom, A with a little tilde on the top, and O. In in Portuguese.

SPEAKER_03 9:13

Mal chao.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

I would probably call it on second thought, I would call it Malia Song.

SPEAKER_03 9:21

That's what I said.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

It's a teenage soap opera. It's great.

SPEAKER_03 9:26

Like a CW?

SPEAKER_00 9:27

There's some good looking uh good looking kids on that show, I'll say.

SPEAKER_03 9:33

No, hopefully they're adults playing children. Hey, did you cut your strings down here?

SPEAKER_00 9:38

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:39

I could see some wire.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

Oh, there must just be one. Just one string.

SPEAKER_03 9:43

Watch out, buddy. You want to cut yourself on Daddy's wires.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

Freaking fine. Right from 95 to 2020.

SPEAKER_03 9:49

Okay, great.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

Okay. Uh the 2020 speaking.

SPEAKER_03 9:52

Oh, like for a sow.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Well, yeah, but but no.

SPEAKER_03 9:56

Isn't the sow C A.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

There's an N at the end. Soon.

SPEAKER_03 10:01

Sound, yeah. Okay, sorry. Malia sound.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

Continue. I don't I don't get Portuguese, you know the like Hob.

SPEAKER_03 10:08

Right.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Or maybe like or a hoist or house. Oh, you're talking. You know. Yeah. Let's move on.

SPEAKER_03 10:15

Okay. I want that.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

Why would you even bring it up?

SPEAKER_03 10:18

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

Can we talk about onesies again?

SPEAKER_03 10:20

Twenty onesies? This is our 22nd episode.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

It is. The 2020 Soup host, formerly Talk Soup, was Jada Cada Preta, who is of a Brazilian comedian.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

Is it a lady?

SPEAKER_00 10:35

Yeah. But apparently she was not good enough. That show was canceled pretty quickly. Sorry, Jade.

SPEAKER_03 10:41

Sorry, Jada.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

Jade or Jade or whatever. Hot A. Hot A. She's kind of a hot A.

SPEAKER_03 10:50

Hopefully she's not a teenager.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

I hope she's not a teenager. Oh my gosh. I'll just be so embarrassed.

SPEAKER_03 11:00

You just went on a long soapbox about how hot the teenagers were on the Brazilian.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

I did not go on a long soapbox. They're just good-looking kids. I think that's what I said. They're just, you know, they're they they're a step up from Degrassi to the city. Shakira Brazilian.

SPEAKER_03 11:12

Where's Shakira from?

SPEAKER_00 11:14

Shakura what's her name Chris?

SPEAKER_03 11:16

Shakira. Shakira Sau.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

I think she's Brazilian, isn't she?

SPEAKER_03 11:19

Yeah, she's hot. She's a good representative.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

She she is uh attractive. Anyway, speaking of attractive, let's talk about Chris Pratt.

SPEAKER_03 11:27

Oh, okay. I want that.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

One of the probably the third hottest Chris in Hollywood, I'd imagine.

SPEAKER_03 11:32

Behind Chris Hemsworth?

SPEAKER_00 11:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:34

And who?

SPEAKER_00 11:35

And uh where would you put him versus Chris uh Chris Captain America? Chris Captain America.

SPEAKER_03 11:41

What's his last name? Or Chris Pine. He's cute too.

SPEAKER_00 11:45

Oh yeah, Chris Pine, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:47

I don't know. I like Chris Pratt one step above Craft America.

SPEAKER_00 11:49

I think Chris Pine was hottest in Team America as a marionette. I think they bought it. Where we're gonna think they bottled his face after.

SPEAKER_03 11:56

I think so.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

He wasn't good in Dungeons and Dragons. That movie was way better than I thought it'd be. Okay. Um anyways, Chris Pratt.

SPEAKER_03 12:03

I live in fear of saying if I've never seen something because then you're like, you never see that.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Do you know how easy I went on you for Groundhog Day? Or as I accidentally wrote in my notes Grindhog Day, which sounds like a different thing.

SPEAKER_03 12:16

I kept writing Tom Petty and it kept autocorrecting to Tim Pritty. So I just left it. I like Tim Prady. Tim Pretty. Tim Pretty and the heartbreaker.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

Tim Pretty can definitely be at our show, so it can talk. Uh Tim Pritty can write in on Tom Petty.

SPEAKER_03 12:31

That's the sound Tom Petty makes when he's a dead animal.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

So the Chris Pratt swimming pool skyscraper movie. It's called the Tomorrow War.

SPEAKER_03 12:42

Oh, okay, so that's close.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

And uh it was on a Miami rooftop. Pratt's character falls from the sky.

SPEAKER_03 12:48

That's not the movie I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

No.

SPEAKER_03 12:50

The movie I'm talking about was not on a skyscraper. It was they were literally living in the stratosphere.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

Oh, you're talking about are you talking about Tom Cruise Oblivion?

SPEAKER_03 13:00

I thought it was a Tom Cruise movie because we were talking about Edge of Tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Oh, I thought you were talking about the Chris Pratt movie where everybody's falling. I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 13:07

That's a newer, like it went right to Netflix movie. Yeah, this one was older. This was pre-COVID.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 13:13

Like we watched it around the same time as well.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

Around Edge of Tomorrow, is that what you're saying? Yeah. It's just like copies of him.

SPEAKER_03 13:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

Yeah. It was good not great, right?

SPEAKER_03 13:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:22

But I wanted that house in the sky with a swimming pool.

SPEAKER_00 13:25

Okay. We're on the same page now.

Taxi Corrections & Christopher Lloyd Follow-Up

SPEAKER_03 13:26

Okay, got it.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

Cool. Um Jay Allen Thomas, uh, who was Jeff Bennett from Louis's Assistant in Sunshine Cabs from Taxi.

SPEAKER_03 13:37

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

He's 6'3.

SPEAKER_03 13:39

Holy cow, he was tall.

SPEAKER_00 13:40

Yeah, 6'3. So he wasn't just tall compared to Dan DeVito. He was just tall compared to just about anybody on the show.

SPEAKER_03 13:47

But not you.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

But not me.

SPEAKER_03 13:48

You're taller yet, even than Rob's 6'4, everybody.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

Well, I don't know. Six three, three-quarters. How tall I am now, but he died at 56. You know what? He's coming. He's coming to our concert. We have a we're having a concert, by the way, for mainly consisting of deceased celebrities.

SPEAKER_03 14:04

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Primarily musicians. Not entirely. I think Kitty Wills and who were gonna be our MCs. Our MCs?

SPEAKER_03 14:12

I don't remember who the other one was.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

It was somebody like who cares?

SPEAKER_03 14:16

Oh, Gordon Lightfoot?

SPEAKER_00 14:18

No, no, no, no, no.

unknown 14:19

No. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

But he'll be playing. Okay, moving on. Uh speaking of Christopher Lloyd, he did not play the piano.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

And the episode uh That was a heck of a good fake piano playing.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

Yeah, it was. Season four, episode twenty. What was that? Iggy Iggy Iggy Iggy Pop. No. No, it wasn't. Iggy. I don't remember what was the name of that episode.

SPEAKER_03 14:43

I don't know, I deleted all my notes.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Anyways, whatever. Okay, so uh but it was uh Stan Daniels who played it. And he was one of the show's co-creators and writers.

SPEAKER_03 14:53

You sure it wasn't Stan Daniels?

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Staniels? Dan Daniels? Dan Daniels.

SPEAKER_03 15:01

What was the original? Stan Daniels.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

Stan Daniels.

SPEAKER_03 15:03

I meant to say Dan Staniels.

SPEAKER_00 15:06

Um the first episode of uh this isn't meant to say corner. The first episode We'll see about that. Christopher Lloyd was on as Reverend Jim. Was we we did get it right. It was Locke's green card wedding. And then he was on Thank goodness we got that right. We got it right. Yeah. And then he became a main cast member by episode 10 of season two. He originally auditioned thinking it was a one-time thing. Producers loved him and brought him back. Good call, producers. Reverend Jim is the best. What was what you you asked what were the competing Emmys? Like what were they up against for outstanding comedy series in 79, 80, and 81? All in the Family.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

Uh, that was an upset. And honestly, it's pretty much like between them and All in the Family. For every of those years. According to according to Claude.

Uncle Dan as Show Moderator

SPEAKER_03 16:06

Bye, Grober.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

Alright, and then Uncle Dan. Let's talk about Uncle Dan for just a moment here.

SPEAKER_03 16:12

Okay, like our real Uncle Dan. Our real Uncle Dan. He's not our Uncle, he's our brother-in-law.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

So he uh the the reason we got on the subject of him possibly being our our Stephen.

SPEAKER_03 16:25

Moderator. Our Stephen. Our Logan slash Stephen.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

Uncle Steven. Is uh as he was listening to a show, because again, we released these about three. Two to four ahead of time. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 16:39

Forehead. Two to four head ahead of time.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

Uh he was saying he was sending me notes, kind of like what my mom does, except he was sending with a bit more accuracy.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

I think your mom quit our podcast. No, she didn't. She did.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Oh, mom, mother, we we know you're still with us. Um when you're not, you can come to our concert.

SPEAKER_03 17:00

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 17:00

Maybe you can MC with Kitty Wells.

SPEAKER_03 17:02

She can uh draw everybody's pictures.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

Yeah, she's quite an artist.

SPEAKER_03 17:06

Bake us all some steak-flavored spaghetti sauce.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

Meatballs. Yeah. Different recipe every time, but they're they all hit.

SPEAKER_03 17:12

And somehow she can make bacon in the microwave. I cannot do it. I mean, I did it, but it didn't look like it didn't look like it does what she does in.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

Quit beating yourself up. Your bacon was just fine.

SPEAKER_03 17:23

Now, Terry, please teach me your bacon ways.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Let me ask you this. Was there any bacon that you had to throw away?

SPEAKER_03 17:27

No.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

What does that tell you?

SPEAKER_03 17:29

It was a darn good bacon in the microwave.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

Oh honey. You know how to work that microwave. Just like a microphone. Okay, so.

SPEAKER_03 17:37

I have to look at it.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

Uh Kurt Russell was in Elvis's It Happened at the World's Fair in 1963. This was way back. Uh we were talking about Kurt Russell's movie. Kurt Russell. Uh maybe we were talking about Elvis. I'm not sure. He kicked Elvis in the shins. That's part of the show. Is he a little boy? Kicked him 15 times during filming. Um then he later played Elvis in 79 and voiced him in Forrest Gump in 94.

SPEAKER_03 18:04

Was he a little boy in the Elvis movie?

SPEAKER_00 18:06

He was. Okay. Yes, he was a little boy. Um and Dan also said, he was also talking about the we were talking about platinum when George Benson's breasing went platinum, and then we talked about Miles Davis. And then he brought up No, no, we talked about. Yeah, you know what? He chimed in actually with the Miles Davis kind of blue. Um and I said, I already covered that. Thanks, Michael James. See yourself out. But thank you. And then he talked about blood flows red on the highway. It was the film that they watched in Moving Violations. It was in 1982.

SPEAKER_03 18:42

Oh my gosh, did he have to watch the same one?

SPEAKER_00 18:44

Well, so yeah, I Moving Violations is a comedy. It's a parody of driver's education films, apparently. I I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_03 18:54

That's not what they showed when you got in trouble and had to leave.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

No, but it was something like that. Okay. Yeah, he was commenting on it. Basically, what he said was if you if I could somehow be like piped in, you could streamline these facts if you're interested. And I'm like, yeah, definitely. He's like, well, this is something that you and Leslie have together.

SPEAKER_03 19:11

I'm like, we hate each other.

SPEAKER_00 19:13

Yeah, we need you, Dan. This is a thruple.

SPEAKER_03 19:16

This is a it's not a thruple.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

It's not.

SPEAKER_03 19:18

No, I was just thinking Dan could step in and I could step out.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

No.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

Just kidding. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 19:24

No, this isn't jujitsu. Where the first actual c client I have is a uh student, I believe is the word. Um, anyways. I don't teach jujitsu anymore. Should we go? Should we move on? Oh uh you said, oh, Rob missed a corner. Oh. Only one thing. Well, grindhog day. I don't know why I wrote that down. But uh you said uh don't worry about it, everybody, Uncle Dan. So that's pretty good. As then he's our only listener. As then he's our only listener. Yeah, but we're not no, he's not even 20 subscribers. We hit the me.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

20 threshold.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Fantastic.

unknown 20:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 20:02

I was about to say we're into double digits.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

But we've been in double digits now for 11 times.

SPEAKER_00 20:09

For 11 times. For 11 iterations of double digitism.

SPEAKER_03 20:12

That's right. Oh, and everybody sees your blue underwear.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Oh, you like that?

SPEAKER_03 20:16

Stop it. What kind of audience are you trying to get?

SPEAKER_00 20:24

This, by the way, we are on uh YouTube as well. If you'd like to see just Rob's blue underwear. Small glimpse of my blue underwear. Hop on. No, but that's how you can see the cover of Wildflowers, which we'll get in.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

Yeah, because if you're just listening to this on a streaming podcast platform, you can't hear a singer song. You might like that.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

Yeah. You know, Uncle Dan sits like this. And I've always thought it was like extremely um it's a masculine thing to do.

SPEAKER_03 20:51

I used to think it was uh I'm pretty sure you have to be Uncle Dan to pull it off.

SPEAKER_00 20:54

Yeah, well, what about me though?

SPEAKER_03 20:56

You're getting there.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

Am I?

SPEAKER_03 20:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

Uh what I'm really after is the hip flexibility.

SPEAKER_03 21:00

Ah.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Yeah. I couldn't do it before. I'd kind of get stuck like this. So now that I can kind of do it, I just want to do it all the time.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

What corner are we in? We've been in the Uncle Dan corner the entire time.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

We're in the hamstring belly corner. Okay.

Consumption Corner: The Cactus Blossoms - You're Dreaming

SPEAKER_03 21:15

What are we into? What have we been up to corner now?

SPEAKER_00 21:18

We're in conception corner.

SPEAKER_03 21:19

Alright.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

Um so we got uh, let's see here. What do we want to talk about? Let's talk about the uh Russian doll. You want to talk about the cactus blossoms, I believe is the uh cactus blossom. I believe is the the word you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 21:37

I loved them.

SPEAKER_00 21:38

Did you really? Yes, oh good.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

Where have they been all my life? Oh wow. Listen to it like 30 times.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

Great. I loved them too. Your dreaming is the album, by the way. So for those unfamiliar, we have a a little section where I will tell Leslie ask Leslie to listen to an album. So far it's been all albums, right?

SPEAKER_03 21:58

Does that one? Something you sent me that wasn't an album count when I was like trying to find the album and there was no album.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Oh, it was um oh it was uh Oscar Peterson.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

Yeah, trio, and there was like not really an album.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

Yeah. So otherwise, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was an album kind of. So yeah, so far it's been yeah, yes, yes, yes. It's been all albums. Yeah, I listened to these guys. I was looking for, I don't remember, I think um Were you trying to woo me? No, wow, I didn't realize it would hit you hit.

SPEAKER_03 22:31

Are you serious? I loved it.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

It I mean, so you have for those unfamiliar, you have uh with the cactus blossoms. You have, let's see, Jack Torrey and Paige Burkham. They're brothers from Minneapolis.

SPEAKER_03 22:45

Why do they have different last names?

SPEAKER_00 22:47

I don't know why. That's correction score. Maybe they're different dads. I meant to look it up.

SPEAKER_03 22:51

Maybe they have different dads. Maybe they do. Or maybe one of them took a stage name.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

Maybe like all the uh different dads like the Dresden Files, uh Thomas and uh Harry.

SPEAKER_03 23:00

Oh no, I was gonna say like Martin Sheen and all those guys.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Oh, like Emilio?

SPEAKER_03 23:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

Joe Estevez and Martin Sheen? Yeah. Yeah. Um well Joe Estevez, I think. And Charlie. I think Joe Esteves is just an uncle.

SPEAKER_03 23:11

Oh, he's not a brother.

SPEAKER_00 23:12

He's just yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:12

He's someone's brother. He's an uncle.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

Martin's brother.

SPEAKER_03 23:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Yeah. Anyway. I think that's right.

SPEAKER_03 23:17

Back to the category.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

Gin Blossom. Back to the cat. Um What category do they fall into?

SPEAKER_03 23:27

Country folk. See? You got me at folk.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

Basically, they're like a. They're like uh Well, they're like the Everly Brothers, honestly. They're like the Everish.

SPEAKER_03 23:41

I guess, but.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

You get they're definitely like the Everly Brothers. They're like the Everly Brothers, like Greta Van Fleet is like Led Zeppelin.

SPEAKER_03 23:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

Or um, yeah, let's just go with that.

SPEAKER_03 23:52

Do the Everly Brothers sound like that country?

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:56

And I don't know the Elverly Brothers.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

You don't? Yeah, you do. Oh my gosh, yes you do.

SPEAKER_03 24:01

What's the song of the Elverlees?

SPEAKER_00 24:02

Uh my favorite song is probably Let It Be Me. It's probably my favorite every single time.

SPEAKER_03 24:06

Can you give me a quick Diddy before Ingrid's dad catches on?

SPEAKER_00 24:09

Let's do uh how about this? This one, because it'll transition into Mississippi, which is one of the songs I really like on the Your Dreaming album. It's um Kathy's Clown.

SPEAKER_03 24:19

Don't want your love Gosh, when I hear that song, I do not think they do not the the the male harmonies, sure, but like the kind of music to me just sounds so different.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

Wake up, Susie.

SPEAKER_03 24:33

Yeah, no, I just trust me.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Listen to the I believe you. I'll never they're like never will.

SPEAKER_03 24:41

I know all that I know I do know Everly Brothers.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

You you you know I guarantee you know 15 Everly Brothers songs. I I really think.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

Well anyway, I loved the the cactus bloomers.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

Yeah, uh the cla yes. It's it's fun to intentionally destroy their name every time. I agree. So I I was looking for a I don't remember exactly how I found them, but I was looking for some like kind of uh a newer soul sort of sound, like an indie rock mixing with some old school flavor.

SPEAKER_03 25:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:12

And the they were on the list of are they from the Otts? They well, this album is from 2016.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

So it's it was it was featured in uh a Twin Peaks soundtrack.

SPEAKER_03 25:23

It does sound much older than 2016.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

Uh Mississippi was. It yes, it does.

SPEAKER_03 25:29

By a design, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

So I was going to talk about the Everly Brothers quite a bit because I think they sound like exactly like the Everly Brothers. Not really. They don't they don't enough that you feel like you're listening to a ripoff of the Everly Brothers.

SPEAKER_03 25:42

See that's how I felt about the Gredevant fleets a little more. I don't know. Sorry, I wouldn't say it's it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

I I would say this like when it comes to the Everly Brothers and I don't know who else you compare them to. Maybe like Dwayne Eddy or maybe Roy Orbison, that kind of that old, you know, it's I was gonna talk a bit about like how how, you know, they have like their more fast-paced songs, like Everly Brothers have like Bird Dog, which I don't love the quicker-paced Everly Brothers songs that are kind of the more rock and roll.

SPEAKER_04 26:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

I like their slow two-part harmonies with a little twing-y guitar in the back, maybe a little pedal steel kind of sound. Well, yeah, that sounds like they've have that they have that sound, and these brothers have it as well. The cactus brothers. They do it really well. The Cactus Brothers. And their guitar, their guitar player on this album, who I think is just a session guy, named. Uh why don't you go ahead and talk about? Do you have any favorite songs? Did you write any down?

SPEAKER_03 26:44

No, I didn't write any down.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

I just really nothing to stall while I look at this guy's name.

SPEAKER_03 26:49

Um But I mean, I feel like it's right up my alley with like singer-songwriter type folksy pretty harmonies, just plain music.

SPEAKER_04 26:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:00

You know, no there's no like synth, there's no ridiculous pop sounds, there's no screaming.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Do you like stop light kisses? The uh opening song?

SPEAKER_03 27:09

Sure. I I don't remember any of them.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

I like their fast, I like their what I was gonna say is I like their their quicker songs better. I'm sorry, keep compared to the Everly Brothers, but they sound just freaking like 'em.

SPEAKER_03 27:21

Well I'll have to do a little back-to-back.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

Joel Patterson was the name of the guy. I think he was playing uh I'm not a big gear head, but he was playing, I think, a Les Paul. And uh because I watched some videos of him. He's a great guitar player, and he added a lot to that album. And uh the whole band's pretty solid. Jack Torrey and let's see, Paige Burkham. They got a stand-up bass player they play with a lot. Um I just uh I really like because there's a little bit of uh what's the dude's name? Uh Marty Robbins?

SPEAKER_03 27:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

That last song, Adios, um, Adios Maria.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

Yeah. That was I I loved it all. So more like that, please.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

I asked Caroline what she thought of it, and she said, for 30 minutes, I'm all in. After that, I'm ready to hear something else. I said, that's great. That's about how I feel. I want to I will work these guys into sound like You're Dreamin'. I love that song. I love all their slower tunes. What's up? Powder, is it Powder Blue? Is that the name of the song? I re there's a few songs in there I absolutely love. There's several I could fine.

SPEAKER_03 28:29

Um Aren't most albums like that?

SPEAKER_00 28:32

Yeah. Yeah, they are. Yeah. But this uh they're great though. I really enjoyed them, so I'm glad you liked them too.

SPEAKER_03 28:38

Good, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

Uh I'll probably check out.

SPEAKER_03 28:40

What are you gonna send me next time?

SPEAKER_00 28:41

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 28:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 28:43

I like singers.

SPEAKER_00 28:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:46

But I also like to have my Horizons brick broad end broadbanded.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

I'd like to throw you some curved balls at all. Yeah. I'm gonna send you some.

SPEAKER_03 28:54

I would never. I wouldn't.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Hey, what uh what else what have you been doing?

SPEAKER_03 29:02

I made a lot of bread. Sorry, I don't know. I don't have anything.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

I have I've I didn't watch uh I didn't watch any movies this week.

SPEAKER_03 29:14

Um well we finished we could talk about Russian doll.

Bob James Concert in Cincinnati

SPEAKER_00 29:17

Yeah, we we'll talk about Russian doll. I was I was I had to get a sermon ready, and uh which I'd send a I'd put I'd put a link in for you, but uh we had some technical difficulties. Surprise, surprise. Anything I'm associated with just dies.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

SH the bed.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

Mm-hmm. But uh, anyways, yeah, we I went to a Bob James concert with Caroline.

SPEAKER_03 29:39

Tell us about your whole day.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Okay, well, drove to Marietta, which is about an hour and a half, went to a mock uh uh high school mock trial. They did great.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

To watch our daughter be the defense attorney with the closing statement.

SPEAKER_00 29:53

Then we drove to Cincinnati, which is a three and a half hour trip from Marietta. Yep. We saw Bob James play.

SPEAKER_03 29:59

Did she love it?

SPEAKER_00 30:01

Speaking of taxi. She did. She said, Why are you holding out? Why were you holding out on me? You maybe go to play a football game. Because I've seen this is the second time I've I've seen him. And uh highly recommend, by the way, for as long as he's alive.

SPEAKER_03 30:13

Get get away.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

It's 86 right now. I'd jump on it.

SPEAKER_03 30:15

How do you look compared to the last time we saw him? Same.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Yeah, I hope I look that way at 86, just two feet taller.

SPEAKER_03 30:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

He's kind of a little guy. Um, his whole band was more or less well, the the drummer was different.

SPEAKER_03 30:30

Um I wonder what happened to that drummer he had when we were there, because that guy was unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 30:34

Yeah, that guy's name was James Alexander Adkins.

SPEAKER_03 30:37

I know, I follow him on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

Do you? He doesn't do much, does he? He's like He's like the best drummer I've ever seen in my life.

SPEAKER_03 30:44

I know. And I'm sure the guy you saw this week was good.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

He's a singer, too. He sings. He sings like um honestly, I mean, he's not a bad singer. Nothing. What you doing, James? But like his drumming is on in a completely like and subscribe, James, and then leave a comment about what you're up to. I read a review from from the show that we went to back in 2023.

SPEAKER_03 31:06

Um was that long ago?

SPEAKER_00 31:07

Yeah. Wow, we're old. And they said that like Bob James is great, but the star of the show was the percussionist.

SPEAKER_03 31:13

Maybe that's why Bob James kicked him to the curb.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

I don't think Bob James rolls like that. Um this guy, yeah, but anyways, this This is my show. You got uh Young Michael uh Palasolo was on base. You remember that dude?

SPEAKER_03 31:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Uh he's incredible. Yeah. I love he's just as good as he was last time.

SPEAKER_04 31:32

Good.

SPEAKER_00 31:32

He has the funkiest faces you've ever seen in your life. He's looking at Bob James, like he's just like, but he was uh did you had uh you you had uh Andre Schmut, the Ukrainian saxophone. Oh, that's right. He was there again. He was sweet.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

Did oh I was gonna say to Clark like it, but he wasn't there.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Clark wasn't there. Um and then you had John Mayhon, I think I'm saying that name right. He he was the drummer, he is Elton John's drummer.

SPEAKER_03 32:05

Whatever.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

So we probably saw him. This is probably my second time seeing him because we saw Elton John.

SPEAKER_03 32:11

In 2006.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:12

Or no, fall of 2005. Yeah. It was right after we got married because it was a rain check.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

He worked with Chuck Negron, who died. He was in Three Dog Night. He just died this past week.

SPEAKER_03 32:23

We should never been to Spain sometime.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Yeah, we should. We got a there's a lot of good Three Dog Night songs. He had a tough heroin issue, but he kicked it. I bet he would have liked my sermon. Can he come to our It wasn't about heroin, but he was a born-again fellow. Uh can he come to our concert? Of course. Yes, Chuck, you're welcome. He played with Bone Boney James, Billy Joel, Sting, Cher, Tina Turner, Mike McDonald, John Mayer, Mary J. Blige. This dude can play just about anything and very obvious. Yeah, he was pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 32:54

He was okay. It was okay that James Alexander actually.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

He plays with with Elton John.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

So I hope that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:09

Yeah. Like people like cheered like crazy for Earl when he mentioned Earl Clue and like David Sandborne. And it was like Elton John kind of got like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

Golf claps.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

I do love, I mean, I love Elton John, but same. I love Bob James more. But he, I was close, we were close enough, we were in the fourth row that I got the set list on camera. I'll just rip through it real quick. Sea Goddess, Feel Like Making Love, Nightcrawler, Moving Forward, so much in common. Secret Drawer, which is a newer one. One afternoon.

SPEAKER_03 33:38

I think he played Secret Drawer when we were there before.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

Well, when I say newer, I mean like not from the center of the side.

SPEAKER_03 33:43

But I mean I feel like he said it was like a newer song then. I might have he did play that.

SPEAKER_00 33:47

That's probably. Uh One Afternoon, Shadow Dance, Ava Labop, which I learned was about his granddaughter, The Alchemist, which was uh which was written by uh Palasolo, the bass player. And he was like, when he was talking about um when he introduced this song, he's like, uh Michael wrote this. Um when he first sent it to me, I was wondering what the heck it was. Um, he's like, it sort of puts you in a little bit of trance, like maybe you're doing like yoga or Pilates or something.

SPEAKER_03 34:24

And did you guys get up and start doing Pilates and stuff? I was just like Were you in Downward Dog the whole time? Yeah, my bad. We were doing little Gluteus Medius was on fire, like circles.

SPEAKER_00 34:34

He did this little uh what are just the size of a dinner plate. He did uh Westchester Lady, which is a sick song. Um, and he did this little thing where he uh where he's you know going ballistic on the piano, and then like in the middle of a solo, he just kind of stands up and sits back down. Like it's some sort of acrobatic uh like he's like it's a feat.

unknown 34:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:59

Cutie little baby.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

He's played like great balls of fire or something. And then of course he finished with Angela for the theme from Taxi.

SPEAKER_03 35:06

Did he have an encore or was that the encore?

SPEAKER_00 35:08

That was the encore. It's it's funny though, like he's he's uh He was already on his set list. Yeah, it was yeah, it was on there, but he didn't even leave. Like, you know, a lot of times they'll walk off, but I'm sorry he's just like it's way too much trouble to get up and walk off.

SPEAKER_03 35:20

I'm 87 years. 86?

SPEAKER_00 35:22

86.

SPEAKER_03 35:24

Well, did he have any life lessons for everyone?

SPEAKER_00 35:26

He said uh he's like I always forget what this venue's like. He's like, I wish I was wearing a um he did have life lessons, yeah. I'll get to that in a moment. But he said, uh, I wish I was wearing a like a shirt that says like like on the back that says like I got your back. Or something like that. What? It's such a dark. I love that guy.

SPEAKER_03 35:47

Why? Because everyone's so close to him?

SPEAKER_00 35:49

Just because like you could see his back the whole time. That place is cool.

SPEAKER_03 35:54

Love Little Grounds is a neat place. You're in Cincinnati, go see a show there.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

Yeah, they got we say Larry Larry Carlton there, Stanley Jordan. Spyrogyro. Yeah. He said that you should always keep learning. He said he's always working on something. He's always listening to meet new people. Um yeah, just learning how to make it. It's kind of generic information, but it's all good and he lives by it.

SPEAKER_03 36:17

Yeah, and he is old and still performing, so I would have loved to have heard him play.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

I wrote down a couple songs that I haven't heard him play live. Uh I want to hear him play Marco Polo, Your Right is Rain, Take Me to the Mardi Gras. Um those are three songs of his that I would poop in my ever-loving pants if he uh if he played those. Do we want to talk about uh Chuck Negron or Bob James anymore?

SPEAKER_03 36:46

I don't, but I will listen and ask appropriate questions if you want to.

SPEAKER_00 36:50

Um, no. That's alright.

SPEAKER_03 36:53

You ready to talk about Ruski?

SPEAKER_00 36:55

I am ready to talk about Ruski. Yes, Russian doll.

SPEAKER_03 37:02

We talked about it a little bit before. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

But then we finished. Did we though? Did we good?

SPEAKER_03 37:06

We didn't say much because I think we wanted to say a little bit more when we were.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

I think we said we liked it a lot. We just finished season one, then we're like, let's talk about it once we finish season two. Which you could honestly, you could kill this. If if you don't have too much of a life and you're interested in Or even if you have a medium-ish amount of life like us. Well, what I was gonna say was you could do it in a weekend.

SPEAKER_03 37:27

Oh, for sure, you do it in a weekend.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

We did it in what two weeks?

SPEAKER_03 37:30

Two to three.

SPEAKER_00 37:31

Because the episodes are only there's like what eight episodes in the first season. Yeah, right. Yeah, they're about half hour.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

It's And what is the name of the actress again?

SPEAKER_00 37:40

Uh Natasha Leon. She's great. She is great.

SPEAKER_03 37:44

And then the guy that plays her opposite, Alan.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

Um, yeah. His name is His name is Charlie Barrett. Charlie Barnett.

SPEAKER_03 37:57

How much are we allowed to say? Are we gonna say?

SPEAKER_00 37:59

Do you wanna do you wanna just say, hey, we're gonna spoil it for the next 10 minutes?

SPEAKER_03 38:03

Sure. If you don't want to know anything about Russian doll, skip it. AI will tell you where to change to. But it's not right because my friend Holly said they were listening to us. And it was like the names of the chapters were showing up on the Oh gosh, yeah, I gotta find out. And like their no she was like, It says you're talking about this, but you're not talking about that.

SPEAKER_00 38:22

Yeah. YouTube is uh YouTube's better. I gotta I and I'm the sad part is I'm paying like an extra five bucks a month for that figure.

SPEAKER_03 38:30

That could be a I could be getting something else for five dollars a month with that five dollars.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

You could buy uh quarter of Portal 2.

SPEAKER_03 38:39

Oh my goodness. Well that would have we have to save that for another day.

SPEAKER_00 38:42

Do you wanna well yeah we'll talk about Russian doll? Let's call it talk about Russian doll.

SPEAKER_03 38:45

So if you had to pick between the two seasons, which one would you pick?

SPEAKER_00 38:48

One.

SPEAKER_03 38:49

Same.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

Although I really like two.

SPEAKER_03 38:51

I did like two also, but what the heck was the purpose of his storyline?

SPEAKER_00 38:56

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 38:57

That was detract that detracted from it.

SPEAKER_00 38:59

Honestly, there's not I don't think a lot, there's not a lot of like straightforward information about what stuff meant and like who horse was. Did you know his name's Horse and not Horace?

SPEAKER_03 39:09

Yeah. That's why I thought it was even. That's even more why I thought it was like Puck. Because I feel like the in the Midsummer Night's Dream they wear uh animal heads like to per like trick for trickery.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

I I like your I like your theory. I definitely, I mean, he's de he when he's definitely stirring it up. I know you're not big into the Cosmere, the Sanderson stuff, but he reminds me of a bit of Hoyd. Do you know who Hoyd is?

SPEAKER_03 39:32

Which one's which was the first book of that one?

SPEAKER_00 39:35

I'd well, Missborn probably.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

Okay, I think I read that.

SPEAKER_00 39:38

So there's a character there's a character in Sanderson's Cosmere universe, which he is like I think the only common thread throughout Dave. Like no there's no tie-ins to anything else except some just general stuff, but he's always in it in some capacity. And he's kind of a joker and he's always kind of starting stuff.

SPEAKER_03 39:58

Well, anyway, in the first season, she's stuck in a time loop on her birthday at a birthday party, and then she keeps dying. And about halfway through the season, she meets up with another guy who she discovers is also stuck in the same time loop, and every time she dies, he dies at the same time, and they both show back up at their same places, so then they start meeting up as soon as they don't find out like this this kind of all sort of develops in the first four episodes, more or less.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

Yeah. Like when the the the big reveal that he dies as well. I said it's about halfway through the season when she meets him there's like in an elevator elevator. And he sh she he's she's like, Hey dude, you seem pretty calm for someone about to die. He's like, I die all the time.

SPEAKER_03 40:38

She's then that's the end of the episode. But watching the next one right now. Right now. Um then they have a storyline that fairly well wraps up at the end of season one.

SPEAKER_00 40:47

It it does. Like it could have been it could have been when you said that season two is completely different. I thought it was so totally different people and true detective or something. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:56

Yeah, like it was another I don't know, but not to have the same people. But then they start going back in time. There's like a subway train that they get on in the second season, and it takes them each to a different time. Takes her back to the eighties when she's not even been born yet, and she's like her mother. It takes him back to the sixties, right?

SPEAKER_00 41:14

To the To uh Berlin. Berlin. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:17

And he's his grandmother, who is a Ghana? Uh yeah, she's a student from Ghana studying in Berlin. And she's also like a astrophysicist or something crazy? I don't know. Some very like nuclear she's in the some high science.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

I wrote somewhere in my notes that I'm kind of I'm sorry, I'm backing out for a second, but it the whole show is something like to get to understand every single thing about the show, you would need to. Do you you've seen Donnie Darko, right? Yeah, with you. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:47

It was a romantic night we had.

SPEAKER_00 41:49

That should that move that was a tough movie to follow. Like I feel like I mean it wasn't romantic. I was a joke.

unknown 41:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:54

Sorry you didn't laugh.

SPEAKER_00 41:57

We've watched, yeah, we we picked some good Red Dragon was our first uh our first date. Um But like what I was gonna say was basically this show is it just unapologetically dives into some really hard sci-fi stuff, but it's still accessible and funny enough that if you don't get it, it doesn't matter that much.

SPEAKER_02 42:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:18

You know, but it but if you want to go down the rabbit holes and the fandom portals and whatnot, you're gonna hurt you can do that too.

SPEAKER_03 42:25

My favorite thing about the second season when she was her mother most of the time, she just kept talking like she was herself, like didn't give a crap that the people around her were like, What are you talking about? Like she she just kept saying because they'd be like, You gotta be careful with the baby, and she was like, I'm the baby, because she was the her mother's baby, but she was her mother carrying herself around and stuff like that. And she just her one-liners from the sec first season, and then just the way she talked, as she didn't even give a crap about trying to pretend to be the person that she was.

SPEAKER_00 42:56

She didn't care at all. It was so brought me great joy, and it's part of it, like they they do a good job making that believable because number one, she's like way smarter than average, and I think Alan is too.

SPEAKER_04 43:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:07

So when they say that when they have like the book, when they're kind of like passively, like they sort of just they kind of just nod at like these advanced, you know, quantum physics things that they're looking into, and they kind of mention them in conversation, and you're just like, oh yeah, of course they'd be kind of researching some stuff, but they don't really spend a lot of time on it.

SPEAKER_04 43:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:28

They just you're just like, okay, they kind of have an idea what they're doing, and she's willing to jump into it because she's extremely lives an extremely risky lifestyle. She kind of almost has really opposite. Yeah. It's like an OCD and and she knows she's a heavy drug user. She doesn't really care about anything. Um she's uh super bold. Like I love I love it's such a it's such a tidy part of the show. But her work life Oh yeah, yeah, about every other episode they'll be like. Like you'll see because you see text come up on the hopefully you're not listening to this and you haven't seen it because we're spoiling the card.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

We told you before we started saying we were just spoiling the card.

SPEAKER_00 44:07

No, I know. But like the t are you ever coming back to work again?

SPEAKER_03 44:10

She's just like she's like swipes it off the screen. Doesn't even acknowledge it. But yeah, it's good. I'd recommend watching it if you like watching TV.

SPEAKER_00 44:20

I mean, it is pretty uh it's um it's pretty pretty crass. Oh, very I mean, it it doesn't really doesn't really bother me, but it's um worth noting.

SPEAKER_03 44:32

I wouldn't watch it with the children.

SPEAKER_00 44:34

Yeah, I mean like half the people who are subscribed to this uh podcast, I think, are from our church. So um okay. Just a little fair warning for now. Um don't tell them what they're doing. I love the cast I love the case I love the cast members. Um I love the my favorite character was probably Mike.

SPEAKER_03 44:55

Oh, he was so gross.

SPEAKER_00 44:57

The sleaze ball. Yeah. Yeah. Well, one of the sleaze balls, because Ches was my second favorite character.

SPEAKER_03 45:02

Oh, he was I want Ches when he goes to visit her in the hospital.

SPEAKER_00 45:08

I want Ches and Mike to have their own time.

SPEAKER_03 45:12

Oh my gosh, where they finally meet up with each other.

SPEAKER_00 45:15

If they just do drugs, they'll basically be just like Russian doll.

SPEAKER_03 45:18

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 45:19

Russian doll was a good name for this uh show, by the way. Yeah, it was.

SPEAKER_03 45:23

It's a reference to those Metro.

SPEAKER_00 45:24

The way like the what are they called?

SPEAKER_03 45:29

We can find out next week. It starts with an M, right? Yeah, I said Metroishka or something like that. Yeah, yeah. Those nesting dolls where there's like a smaller one inside of each one.

SPEAKER_00 45:36

I I just uh it's it's really like I said, it's pretty deep sci-fi. I mean you have time travel, you have I mean there's that segment where she's got she has um her she finds out her mom's like a legit schizophrenic.

SPEAKER_03 45:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:49

But so she's in l in her mom's head, but kind of living as she could see herself too, but also her mom.

SPEAKER_03 45:56

I kind of wonder if was that time splitting? Well, I wondered how much of her mom being crazy was when it when she was there, when she was in her head.

SPEAKER_00 46:09

With the cause and effect stuff.

SPEAKER_03 46:11

Yeah, because then she started cra breaking the mirrors.

SPEAKER_00 46:14

Yeah. She kind of mentions that at one point, doesn't she?

SPEAKER_03 46:16

Yeah, so I don't know. Definitely get leaves you with some unanswered questions.

SPEAKER_00 46:20

One thing I would have to say, and maybe you can correct me, maybe I missed something. I don't know why she was so hell-bent on getting the gold coins. Like, why wouldn't she do the old you know, play like she even talks about the stock market? So like, hey Ruthie, you want to look to invest in these companies or whatever. Ruthie was great.

SPEAKER_03 46:41

I don't know. The only thing I have to say about that is that anything she tried to change, it didn't work.

SPEAKER_00 46:45

So right, but she didn't know that because she kept trying to change it. So on that note, why not go for a much easier thing? Like she even goes through the trouble of hiding the stuff from the room.

SPEAKER_03 46:54

I think this I think it was the sentimentality of it all.

SPEAKER_00 46:56

She's just so obsessed with that. Yeah, she wants to kind of ruined her lives as well. Yeah. And give her yeah. That was like a defining I kind of I get it. I get it. It makes for good TV.

SPEAKER_03 47:08

We're halfway through our P cast.

SPEAKER_00 47:09

All right, do you want to keep you wanna keep moving off of uh off of RD? Let me just see if I got anything else that that I want to mention here. Uh Donnie Darko, I love the job thing. She's half dice, half girl from Brave. That was a great line.

SPEAKER_03 47:23

Oh, yeah. Um you said that last week, but we couldn't. Yeah, I did, but it's great.

SPEAKER_00 47:27

It was one of my favorite lines. Um discuss the layers, average intelligence. We said that. She's super selfish, but it's kind of subtle because she's equal parts cool and it's like.

SPEAKER_03 47:38

Are you really reading your notes out loud to people on the podcast? Because I think that could go. I think we could cut that right out.

Fallout TV Show & Dresden Files: Twelve Months

SPEAKER_00 47:43

All right, all right, let's move on. What do you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_03 47:45

Um I don't have anything else to talk about. I think there's one. Were we gonna say that we finished Fallout or are we saving that?

SPEAKER_00 47:51

Well s we want to talk about Fallout next week, maybe uh I loved it.

SPEAKER_03 47:55

Loved it.

SPEAKER_00 47:56

And I'm a Fallout fan. And I'm not a player of Fallout. 97, I believe, was the first.

SPEAKER_03 48:02

Wow. What did it look like in 1997? Like what kind of game was it?

SPEAKER_00 48:07

It was uh isometric. Um do you know what Diablo looks like?

SPEAKER_03 48:12

Is it like lots of pixels?

SPEAKER_00 48:15

Well, no, not really. I mean like just the viewpoint. You're kind of like a third you're looking kind of down at a an overhead view. Yeah, it's like an overhead view but kind of to the side to sort of see like um like the Sims.

SPEAKER_02 48:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:31

It looks like the Sims. And it's all turn-based, which I really prefer. Um anyways, we we can talk about it another time.

SPEAKER_03 48:40

All right.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

We I read the Dresden Files the 12 months. I just want to say I really liked it a lot.

SPEAKER_03 48:47

Good. No. Uh yeah. Is that Jim Butcher?

SPEAKER_00 48:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:52

Yeah, I read like a couple a couple. What's the name of the main character?

SPEAKER_00 48:55

Harry Dresden. It's the second time I've talked to him about him already.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

I know, but I'm trying to think if that is what I read. I know I've read Jim Butcher books. Did he have another line of a leather line of books?

SPEAKER_00 49:05

Yes, but I've never read them.

SPEAKER_03 49:06

What are they called?

SPEAKER_00 49:07

I've never read the titles either.

SPEAKER_03 49:10

Okay, well, I know I've read some Jim Butcher. I can't remember what.

SPEAKER_00 49:14

Why'd you stop reading Dresden files?

SPEAKER_03 49:17

Probably because I had a baby.

SPEAKER_00 49:22

What about mo what if he was in like a like some sort of motorcycle gang? Like a romantic uh maybe like a hockey player. Maybe like a vampire. There's a lot of vampire romance in this. Actually, especially in this one in 12 months. A lot of vampire romance.

SPEAKER_03 49:40

Like what pages?

SPEAKER_00 49:41

I just started carrying comfort, too.

SPEAKER_03 49:44

Just kidding. Carrying comfort is Did someone send you an excerpt of uh Jim Butcher to like reading from this page to that page?

SPEAKER_04 49:53

Comment on it? Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 49:55

Uh well that's good to know. I mean I like to read, but I'm very much just squeezing it into a few pockets of time here and there.

SPEAKER_00 50:05

Okay. Well, I won't talk about it. I don't want to spoil it for anybody. It kind of just came out.

SPEAKER_03 50:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 50:09

And um recommend it. I do recommend it though. I really liked it. It's a little it's different. It's a little bit different than the other books.

SPEAKER_03 50:16

All right.

SPEAKER_00 50:17

But it's kind of like it it has I'll just say this. This won't really spoil anything. He hasn't made it, he hadn't put a book out for years, which is pretty frequent with it with his publishing. And there's like 20 of them. Um something like 18 maybe. Plus novellas. Anyways, every book kind of features like a pocket of core characters that kind of accompany him in this in the plot. This, but there's I don't know, 30 different main characters in this in the series at this point. I'm just throwing a number out there, quite a bit. This has like a lot of them. Like he kind of you kind of get called up for everybody, yeah. I love that. But in a cool way that that makes it. I I thought it was great. I really enjoyed it. Um I was not I was not disappointed. Do you want to talk about migraines and working out?

SPEAKER_03 51:09

I do.

SPEAKER_00 51:10

That's our topic.

SPEAKER_03 51:11

All right, let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 51:12

So we you know, every week we decide what we want to talk about. It varies from what we would do in a time loop if we repeated the same day every day for 45 years. Kind of like Groundhog Day, a movie that you haven't seen. By the way, when I was watching How to Use a Crockpot, when I was watching and and editing what the one that's posting on Monday, the time loop one.

SPEAKER_03 51:35

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 51:36

I made a reference, I made a met a reference to a character on Groundhog Day, and you were like, Oh yeah. She hasn't seen it. It was a Ned Ryerson reference.

SPEAKER_03 51:51

I think that was my favorite part of the movie. I love you, Ned Ryerson.

SPEAKER_00 51:55

We're watching that like real, real. Not tonight. Not tonight.

SPEAKER_03 51:59

Tonight we gotta eat homemade crusty grains.

SPEAKER_00 52:02

Resident Alien?

SPEAKER_03 52:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:03

With uh Alan Tudic?

SPEAKER_03 52:04

Yeah, or baby Alan Tudik.

SPEAKER_00 52:06

Little baby Alan. Who's in dodgeball and Firefly.

SPEAKER_03 52:10

I was gonna say that. With Ned Ryerson, I think.

SPEAKER_00 52:14

With Ned Ryerson. I think Ned Ryerson looks a lot like Mr. Ernst from Hey Dude.

SPEAKER_03 52:20

Never seen that.

SPEAKER_00 52:21

That's it.

SPEAKER_03 52:21

I admit it openly.

SPEAKER_00 52:23

Look at that.

SPEAKER_03 52:24

You beat me into fear of admission.

SPEAKER_00 52:26

That had uh what's her face? Uh Ben Siller's wife in it. Uh Chris Dean Applegate? No, no, no. Oh, correction score.

SPEAKER_03 52:37

Oh, okay. Marsha Brady. Yes. Yeah, what's her real name?

SPEAKER_00 52:40

I can't freaking remember. She's in Zoolander. Anyways, whatever. We don't have to talk about hey dude.

SPEAKER_03 52:45

Dan, if you were on right now, you could just tell us we could move on.

SPEAKER_00 52:48

This is why we yeah, we need you. This show could be like 40 minutes shorter.

SPEAKER_03 52:52

Okay. No, you'd find something, some crap to fill it up with.

SPEAKER_00 52:55

I would abuse, he'd quit after a half an episode. Dan, maybe you should. This is too much.

SPEAKER_03 53:00

Dan's gonna be like, I'm stuck in a time loop.

SPEAKER_00 53:04

Um so Leslie was like, when you talk about working out with migraines. What you do to navigate that challenge? Is that more or less what we're talking about? So my life with migraines and how I stay so strapping.

SPEAKER_03 53:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 53:23

First of all, I eat five.

SPEAKER_03 53:25

Is that why you wore such short shorts for the pod today? First of all, what?

SPEAKER_00 53:29

I eat five dozen eggs. Stay roughly the size of a bar. Um Yeah, I've had migraines.

SPEAKER_03 53:37

What'd you eat when you were a boy?

SPEAKER_00 53:39

Four dozen eggs. I never really got that. It's just like you were one more dozen? No way, dude. If he said when I was a boy, two dozen eggs, and then maybe there was a bridge that kind of went into his journey.

SPEAKER_03 53:55

We're talking about Gaston in case you don't know.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

That's the one part of that movie I just don't know. The one part I couldn't believe.

SPEAKER_03 54:03

Talking candlesticks, absolutely. Gaston's egg consumption, not real. Not realistic. I don't buy it.

SPEAKER_00 54:12

Gaston's like, Babs, Babs, is the egg man here? That's for no one. I don't know anybody who's watching it. Anyone other than the two of us who've watched both Beauty and the Beast and Pink Film Angus.

SPEAKER_03 54:26

Stop saying that. I've seen it. I was in the room when it was on.

SPEAKER_00 54:29

No, you were all about it.

SPEAKER_03 54:33

What does it matter with you? Anyway, you get migraines.

SPEAKER_00 54:37

You said it wasn't filthy enough. You said you need more.

SPEAKER_03 54:42

If you could see me right now, if you're not on the YouTube, I'm shaking my head and birds the word. Disbelief. Move off of this topic or I quit.

SPEAKER_00 54:52

Okay. Alright, so I've had migraines for um how long have I had? It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_03 54:58

Well, you're 43, and you had them in elementary school.

SPEAKER_00 55:01

Well, so that's let me let's start with that. What's a migraine?

SPEAKER_03 55:04

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 55:05

Okay. But this is going to be mainly we're going to be talking about exercise-induced migraines. That's about the only kind I I really get for the most part. Um, but a migraine, you know, you have you I hear a lot of people say they have migraines.

SPEAKER_03 55:18

You do also, you have also gotten them like when you've been very tired or very dehydrated.

SPEAKER_00 55:24

There's all sorts of ways to get migraines.

SPEAKER_03 55:25

Like if you drank too much the night before, I feel like we were like driving home from somewhere once.

SPEAKER_00 55:29

Dehydration is definitely we'll we'll talk about that.

SPEAKER_03 55:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 55:33

Um, but it's you know, what they're not, it's not a it's not a tension headache. Now, tension headaches can be bad, can be worse than migraines. It's not like who's who has the worst space. It is, it is.

SPEAKER_03 55:46

Comment below who you think is in the most pain.

SPEAKER_00 55:48

But I know a lot of people who have tension headaches, and you from from what I've read, to have a migraine, you don't necessarily even need to have a headache. What you need to have is some form of aura.

SPEAKER_03 56:00

Like a neurologic form.

SPEAKER_00 56:02

Some sort of usually a visual, that's what I get. A visual um just it looks like the best way to explain it would be like um you know what comes off of a heat wave.

SPEAKER_03 56:13

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 56:13

Off of a car. Like that just starts happening in my vision and then just grows and grows.

SPEAKER_03 56:18

Or like when it's negative five degrees outside and you open the door to your house and the heat of your house goes out, you can see the shimmer of the warmer air.

SPEAKER_00 56:25

There's that shimmer.

SPEAKER_03 56:27

Some people get auditory uh like a rain or something?

SPEAKER_00 56:33

I don't know. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_03 56:34

I I have never had a migraine.

SPEAKER_00 56:36

You can get though, you can have the visual aura with no headache. I don't have them that bad. Like compared to people who get them a lot who are just plagued by them, I can't complain that much. I the the most migraines I've I've gotten, like the most frequency has been like once every two weeks. And what that was while I was figuring out what the heck they were, because the first time you get it, you like think you're dying or going blind or something. You don't know what the I think I was um 16. I was uh I think I had to take off work because I I didn't know what it was. I called in sick because I couldn't see, and then I just had like the worst headache of my life.

SPEAKER_03 57:10

But you didn't tell anyone, probably.

SPEAKER_00 57:12

I think I I don't I don't I don't remember exactly. I just remember that was the first one I'd had in a very long time, and then the next one I got was probably at college. And I didn't know, I just didn't know what they were.

SPEAKER_03 57:24

Did you throw up with that first one? Have you ever thrown up with one?

SPEAKER_00 57:27

I've never thrown up. I've wanted to throw up.

SPEAKER_03 57:30

Because that one time I picked Caroline up, she definitely had a migraine because we came home and she vomited and then fell asleep hard. They're terrible.

SPEAKER_00 57:37

If you do not get a, if you don't treat them, if you don't basically this is what I do. The second I see the aura now, like the moment that I'm you you've seen me do it.

SPEAKER_03 57:45

It's like shoving you into a dark room and like take all this medicine and and but God help me if it develops into pain.

SPEAKER_00 57:52

You get so bad. It is, it's a it's a freaking inconvenience.

SPEAKER_03 57:55

It's the biggest It's because there's been a handful of times that you've pushed yourself too far on an important evening and ended up with a migraine. Right. I am that mean wife, just so you know.

SPEAKER_00 58:07

No, it's it's it sucks. It's just a no it's just a great, here we go. Um because you can't you can't push through it. I've tried, it always always fails. It's worse and worse. It always gets ten times worse, and that's that is not an exaggeration. So the second I get a migraine, I will talk about in a moment, I'll talk about how I work out with migraines, what I found works for me, and and for other people as well. Um but just just real quick, always have whatever your medicine is. I quit taking the prescribed stuff. Emmetrax? Yeah, emitrax, somatriptin, some of some of something or other. Uh I found that over-the-counter stuff, I just take a mix of acetamedophine and uh ibuprofen, basically a mix of acetamedaphine and incense.

SPEAKER_03 58:52

Do you take uh my the migraine ones?

SPEAKER_00 58:55

I used to. That's how I'm calling them. I don't like there's accessible migraine. There's like caffeine in it. Yeah. Of course, it's funny because migraines, some caffeine can help some and cause others. It's it's such a weird individualized condition experience. But the second I get the aura, the second my vision's like, or another example would be like flash photo.

SPEAKER_03 59:16

Or another example.

SPEAKER_00 59:18

Uh-huh. A flash photo, like seconds after a flash photo. I get uh very nervous when when I'm having my picture taken, I I like I almost I got a kind of a low-key fear about having my picture taken with a flash.

SPEAKER_03 59:35

Does it trigger a migraine? Has it actually ever triggered a migraine?

SPEAKER_00 59:38

Oh um flashes off of off of like like windshields or windows on a sunny day, does it? If I can avoid a flash, like usually I can this doesn't do it with all these lights trying to decontract your eyes. So we'll get to there in a second. But like basically the moment I have an aura, like the moment I realize it's on, uh like you'll see me. I'll be like, uh hang on.

unknown 1:00:03

Crap!

Exercise-Induced Migraines: Training Strategies

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

And I'll just go, I'll leave, I'll take a handful of pills, and then go lay down with headphones, headphones playing quiet music, and and I'll just camp out for like an hour and until it kicks in, and then I'll see how I am after that. Yeah, move around slowly. But that has worked for me so well. Here's here's what causes migraines um for me. This is what I would say. Uh you mentioned dehydration. So the the main thing is it's got if it's a if it's pressure on the neck, if it's something that causes a quick change in blood flow or blood pressure um that's that can trigger a migraine, I usually get them like a couple hours after like working out. Um if I don't, if I haven't eaten enough, if I haven't slept well, if I haven't, if I'm dehydrated, so you mentioned like alcohol, like there you go, check, check, check. You know. Um I don't normally get them, I wouldn't get them though, unless maybe I had a good time the night before and then went and had a relatively tough workout. I could count on a migraine in the coming hours if I did not. So when I was working out really hard, I'll talk about what I kind of do now, but when I was like a personal trainer, when that was basically our livelihood and I was exercising all the time and I had evening sessions, I always had to, I didn't have the the the luxury of being able to just cancel my plans for the night because I had a headache. You know, I had to push like I've taught jujitsu classes with migraines, wearing like sunglasses and just basically my stomach was bleeding because I had so much a leave. I remember going to Noah. Noah's a bodybuilder who I used to uh used to work at the gym that I used to train at. And I would I said, Noah, do you have any like any pain medication on? He's like, I got some elave. I'm like, dump it out in my hand. He dumps like 12 out. I'm like, he's like, I can't let you have take that much. I'm like, I don't care. Like, that's it's not good, but but it's just like I gotta teach this kid's class, which gives me a headache anyway. And it sucks teaching, you know, my doing anything with a migraine is an absolute miserable experience. And um, anyways, so what was I saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:20

Uh you would work out really hard when you're a personality.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:23

When I would work out really hard. What I mean by that is anything that you're talking about, like a maximum level of intensity, is what would really bring it off for me. Two two things would bring up bring on migraines. One is just that what we talked about with the with the change in blood flow or blood pressure, a lot of especially pressure around the neck.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:44

So like back squats or something?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:45

Back squats. I could do exactly I could do or overhead presses. I would say you would think that it'd be because of the pressure of the bar on your upper back, and that could be it, but I think a bigger a bigger impact is that I used to get them a lot more when I did back squats back before I started working on like my shoulder mobility. So just getting my shoulders into this position just puts so much pressure to just doing this, right? I couldn't do that. And I'd force myself into that position with weight on the bar, and then I'd go down and I'd have you know all the just the the back squat, even in healthy conditions, is is hard enough, but I'm all tied up. So I would get migraines like every time I did back squats, even if it was relatively light.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:29

And then you'd also get really mad about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:31

I did, yes. I'd also get them, and like I said, overhead presses, basically anything where you have that tension back there. Remind me to talk about how to what you know what I did to alleviate some of that. Um another thing is like I said, max effort, especially maximum sustained effort. So, yes, going really hard with like, you know, those like when I was doing like the dog crap training, basically the rest paul, like the widow maker sets where you do like your 10 rep max 20 times, that kind of stuff, where you just that then you get like exertion headaches, which is a different thing. That's like when when you have like an ice pick stabbed in the back of your head, and if you push the set, you will have a headache for two weeks.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:16

Oh gosh, you're making me want to find out.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:18

Yeah, I've I've I've I've experienced all sorts of wonderful headaches over the years. That's a different thing. That's also a terrible thing, but it's not a migraine. It uh it's worse than a migraine, honestly. Um, worse than the migraines I've gotten, but it's a different thing altogether. That that's that happens in the moment. It's like an acute response to just incredible pressure. They call it weightlifters' headache. You can get them from doing adult activities, you can do get them from all sorts of anything that causes a really high level of exertion, basically the same kind of thing that will cause that can cause a migraine can cause an ex uh a migraine after a few hours can cause an exertion headache right there in the moment. So I'm getting off topic a little bit, but I would uh Tabata sets. I can count on having a migraine. Usually it's be like after I I a little joke I always have with myself would be whenever I have like the best workout of for the last two months, I'm like, okay, well I'm getting a migraine now. Because it'd be it's always when I push through. Because you know, when you're doing when you're doing something like Tabata, like really true high-intensity exercise, or like short 10-second sprints, that kind of stuff, where you just you really go, you're trying to use like your creatine phosphor system and like these like energy systems that you will not tap into unless you're training this kind of way specifically. It's the kind of stuff where like you're gonna go as hard as you possibly can for 20 seconds or 10 seconds or whatever. Like, no, whatever you're doing right now, go even harder. You know, if you you think you can do seven burpees in 20 seconds, do eight, even when you can only get three, try to get. Like, there's that gas pedal. I know it won't go down any further, but press it anyway. That kind of that is just migraine soup right there. That is but unfortunately, there's not a whole lot of substitution for that way of training, depending on what your goals are and why you're doing it. So, what I would say for that sort of training is drink water, like it's your job. Like I would I had a rule where I wouldn't work out, I would not exercise until I had had at least a gallon of water beforehand. Depending on what I was doing, you know, like like hard high intensity exercise. Um maybe half a gallon, but like any less than half a gallon, absolutely not, I won't even try. Um I would also one thing is just like work on your mobility. Like I did when I started doing a lot of neck training, and I mean what I mean is like not like if you watch those old Tyson videos of him doing all these neck bridges, and I'm talking like like I used to have that iron neck, well I still do, or like yes nos, like just calisthenic version. Did you? Yeah, go on.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:13

I just dreamed about it and it was covered in dust, and then we didn't still have the thing to hook it up to.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:19

Oh, okay. My neck's been hurting a lot lately, so that dream was uh pretty close to reality, actually. Um I break it out every now and then I'll get it. But but keep a strong neck and keep a mobile neck. When I say strong, not like you can lift, you know, tie 90 pounds to a chain and I mean like be able to do this back and forth 50 times on your back. We do those, we did those in jujitsu called yes nos. Things like that. Maybe keep your neck strong and mobile and keep it in a nice position. So you have this forward head position, you're putting a lot of strain on your neck, you probably get tension headaches if you do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:53

My hand is up. I've raised my hand.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:57

But you know, what you were doing the other night where you were kind of stretching the occipital. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:03

Um keep your neck healthy, keep your upper back healthy. You should be able to, you know, reach in the back and touch your fingertips. Like can you? Pretty much. Yeah. But I couldn't before, like I said, I couldn't get into a back squat position at all. But I would still do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:20

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:21

Which is a whole stupidity for a whole other different reasons, migraines aside. But you gotta keep your upper back and your neck. You gotta keep it um keep it mobile. You should be very, very flexible, which is tough to do because you know, the stronger you get, the more you get in these positions, the the tighter you get. So you have to spend a ton of time with correctives.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:47

Like it looks like the more muscles you have, the less space you have to move your joints around because they're so bulked up. Yeah. Is that true?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:58

Um it can be. Yeah.

Mobility, Recovery & Migraine Prevention

SPEAKER_03 1:09:01

I mean it's too much meat.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:02

There's there's a lot of, yeah, there's a lot of meat. Yeah, if there's a lot of meat, you're gonna have some some restriction. Not uh not always, if you work on it a lot, but you get to the point where I mean we're gonna start getting the weeds here, but like you get to the point where you know the the further you push past what a lot of people's like dream body slash goal would be. We're talking about people who are like competing in some sort of strength sport or sport. We're talking about athletes, right? Um but but it doesn't have to be, but yeah, you you're you're at this point now where you're like the better you get, it's like you anybody who's elite at anything is giving up some aspect of their health or their life, probably both. Um, but that's a whole other conversation. But what I'm but yeah, basically you have to be mobile, so like keep your shoulders like stretch them. I mean, I would work, I don't know, would you say 45 minutes a day just on like on a foam roller, on the crossballs, stretching out, using bands, getting in all these crazy positions. That's the only way that and drinking a gallon of water before I work out, doing extended warm-ups and extended cooldowns, because you know talked about the change in blood flow. If you just jump into a workout and you're going 600 miles per hour, like you're like opening with like tobata sets or something, you're just asking for you're asking for trouble and injuries as well. But especially you're talking about migraines, like you're going to get a migraine if you do that. Build up, like do a proper warm-up. And if you don't have time to do it, then you probably just shouldn't work out that hard. Like, you need it's like, I'm sorry, I know you want to work out really hard and do that. I wanted all sorts of stuff. At some point, you gotta decide what's can I afford to get a migraine today? Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:51

Am I taking my kids trigger treating later with my mother and my wife?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:57

So, like what I would do is okay, let's say I need to do a Tabata style training, like really high-intensity training, or I want to try to hit a PR or something in a lift. Do it on a day that you can afford to spend the rest of the day like dark room. Yeah, you just gotta plan that way. Well now, what I do, uh honestly, I've gotten really, really gun-chai with with intense exercises. I've been really lazy. I work out just about every day, but I don't work out that hard very often.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:29

Um did you work out hard yesterday when you went to the weight room?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:33

Yeah, but not really. I mean, I I usually I tend to stay pretty far south of max effort. I tend to favor honestly a lot of I would call it like junk volume. Like I'm a huge fan of like Dan John's easy strength. I've mentioned it before. And while I don't necessarily follow that protocol specifically, I like the the kind of the idea of it. So, like, you know, I may do like my workout today was uh five sets of push-ups, pull-ups, and um single leg squats, like door-assisted single-leg squats. Part of the reason for that is because I didn't want to go downstairs or go down to the through the snow and get wet before the.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:16

We have so much darkness.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:17

And I also didn't want to get a migraine before our the podcast. And then I hit like 15 minutes on the bike. Um I do, I may do like what did I do? Four sets of six for kettlebell front squats, overhead presses, and weighted pull-ups. Um I might do like a block bench press combined with leg extension, or not leg extensions, uh glute ham rays and um carries and uh bent over rows. Like basically I just do a bunch of full body stuff, but I might do that six times a while. I'm I I work out like six times a week, you know, like so, but it's low with relatively low intensity because I just I'm freaking tired of getting migraines. The bad part about that is I'm not in the same level of shape that I used to be in when I would train all those energy systems specifically with the right frequency, and you know, I don't do a lot of tobada anymore.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:16

I don't do Are you ever gonna do it again?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:21

Yeah, when there's less to do at night. I mean I gotta mix it in every now and then just because it is really freaking good for you. There's ways to kind of sneak it in, but you have to, like, if you want to get first of all, if you just want to get casually fit, just kind of healthy, just generally healthy and look pretty good, you don't need to necessarily do all that crap. What you really need to concern yourself with is is just a consistent, um uh balanced pro uh exercise program.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:51

Balanced diet of exercise.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:52

But more importantly, diet and sleep. Oh, actual diet. Yeah. Actual diet. I mean diet's everything. Um, it really is. Like there's no way around it.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:00

But um, yeah, it's uh It's funny to think that I mean, I've definitely been this person until probably way more recently than I would like to admit, but you literally don't give your diet enough credit, but that's literally what you're making your body out of.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:18

Mm-hmm. Yeah, you are which eat that whole thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:20

And it's so silly to say that out loud, but it's like, why would you think you're gonna have any other Look at this guy? I don't know, our dog is laying on his back. He smells wretched, by the way. He does. If you saw my face a few times, it wasn't at what you were saying, it was just like, why do you smell like that? But anyway, no no bed tonight for you, buddy. You smell the floor. Um But like why why would you think that you would be able to look amazing when you tr when you're eating literal junk? Now a lot I think a lot of people don't even know what junk is, but Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:53

It's a it's fine. It's been a long journey for me.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:56

If you want to look X, you have to eat X or you're gonna look Y.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:00

So I mean I feel like you can out you can eat your way to looking better with less working out than you can try to outwork out what you've eaten.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:11

A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:13

And that's like personal experience for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:15

Yeah, totally. That's I mean, yes, absolutely. Um we couldn't talk about diet more on another on another uh topic, another another episode.

Hydration, Diet & Practical Migraine Tips

SPEAKER_03 1:15:27

But because there's gonna be a lot more.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:28

But I would say I would say stay hydrated, number one, do a prop like whatever that means for you. I'm not saying that if you're you know a hundred and fifty pound person, you need to drink a gallon of water.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:43

Rob's a 250 gallon person, pound person.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:46

A go uh two uh two forty. 242, sorry. 242, as of the other day. I'm I'm I'm dropping dropping the LBs. So I I I heard a formula a while back, I think Joe DeFranco said it, and I'm sure he was echoing somebody else, but it was 0.6. So for every 0.6 pound of body weight, that's how many ounces you should get. So like a uh 200-pound man should get about 120 ounces of water.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:16

Wadi.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:16

Yeah. Am I doing that math right? Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:20

But you're not pronouncing it correctly.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:21

Wadi. Sorry, yes. And that's like an athletic person, right? If you're just not doing anything all day long, number one, you should be doing something. But number two, you don't need the same amount of water. Um I could talk about water a lot more, but basically stay hydrated and don't exercise without getting plenty of water. You should be, you know, peeing that light straw color or clear, right? Um warm up. Take the time to warm up.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:49

Do you want to recommend any mobility thing? Any buddy or things?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:53

I I mean, I I got so speaking of Joe DeFranco, the first time like I ever experimented with any. Did you see the Limber 11? Yes. Well, it's the Limber 11. I heard Triple H talking about Triple H the Wrestler?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:05

The war wrestler?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:06

Yes. I was listening to him talk about his trainer and how he, you know, he was he was talking about Limber 11. I never got on a foam roller in my life. I thought it was something tantamount of witchcraft. Like I'm not what I'm not doing any of that. It was like Bob James saying that Pilates will put you in a trance, right? Like I no idea what I was talking about. And to think that before this episode, he was my favorite musician of all time.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:30

He's somebody's grandpa.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:33

Ava. Ava specifically. So uh but yeah, I would recommend, you know, so after basically this this lit a fire under, but once I realize once my back started feeling great and my hips started feeling great in ways that they never had before, I became just absolutely obsessed with everything. Mobility. Right. So Kelly Starrett was kind of like the dude at the time for that. He still kind of is. I like got his Supple Leopard book and just did everything in the book, and it just became a huge obsession of mine. And I honestly, I felt better than I ever had in my entire life. There's things I could do that I could never even dream of doing before, like pistol squats and just it really just doing like push-ups on my hands. Like I used to have to do knuckle push-ups because my wrists hurt so bad. Baby wrists. But I cleaned up my diet, there's all sorts of things I was doing. But yeah, I would go down, I would look at I don't know who's out there anymore, but like I used I used to watch a lot of Tre Trevor Bachmeyer, I think it was his name, Smashworks, and Kelly Starrett. Just just look up like SmashWorks neck and shoulder stiffness and just do everything that ever do everything. Like do go through every day of the week, like try something new. There's a million videos out there. See what works, see what clears stuff out, test and retest. You kind of got you gotta stick with it. You can't just be like, my neck hurts, so I can't exercise. No, well, yeah, you don't have to. I'm not gonna make you, but like, don't complain. Yeah. You know? So you have to stay on it. You can fix so much of yourself by by yourself. By yourself. Um I I I I want to scream it. Like, I didn't I did not know that, I did not believe it forever. It's it's baloney. You do not have to like there's there's some things, of course, you can't do if you have some sort of congenital disease or something, yeah, you might be screwed. But like most people can fix their their situations.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:38

It's hard to get your kids to believe that.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:39

Yeah, it yeah. Don't uh anyways, so that's another app. The better you can move around without pain, without tightness, without restriction, especially in your in your neck and your upper back and your shoulders, the less migraines you're gonna have. The better neck position, your posture. Do you think Don't work sitting down like this all the time. Stand up, you know, get a standing desk. That made a huge difference for me.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:03

Do you think that people some people like why do some people get them and some people don't? I've never had one.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:08

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:09

I've had awful tension headaches, but I've never had a migraine.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:12

I really don't know. I don't think anybody does. The research researching migraines is freaking demoralizing. You're just like, okay, so nothing's dancing. There's no universal truth for any of this. Other than Great, nothing. I mean maybe I d I gave up about five years ago. Maybe there's been some breakfast.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:30

I mean, it's been how long has it been since you've even had a migraine?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:33

Well, part of the reason is because I've been doing all these low-intensity workouts. Um, but I got one, what, about a month ago, two months ago?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:42

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:43

Yeah. But so I would anyways, water, rest, diet. Keep food in you, um, eat the right kind of food. We don't have enough time to get into the details of that. Drink plenty of water, get plenty of rest, get plenty of mobility, do proper cooldowns, uh prop proper warm-ups, proper cooldowns. And when I say proper cooldowns, I mean um like I would do uh box breathing. Anytime I did an intense exercise, I would do gut smashing, box breathing, basically anything that's going to bring my uh parasympathetic system back online. My rest and digest on, sympathetic out. I do a lot of like cold water exposure. I mean, I was like basically doing some sort of fitness procedure.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:32

You were an influencer, but nobody was watching you because you didn't have a channel for it. Well, yes, you did. You did. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:38

My most popular videos are actually migraine videos.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:40

Wow. Um poor people with migraines. I'm sorry, you guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:43

I wear sunglasses all the time. I avoid flash photography.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:47

Yeah, I noticed all the sunglasses were missing out of my car today. I was cheering you for A, for getting gas in my car. So thank you. And B, I want to put on my glasses, sunglasses, because you know it's like blinding out there at the snow, and there were none. So thank you.

Yin Yoga & Stretching for Upper Back and Neck

SPEAKER_00 1:22:02

No matter what though, I would say you're welcome. Sorry. I would still I'm just helping. I'd still get migraines. No matter what I did, I'd still get migraines, though. Like not that often though. I mean, I would get them uh, you know, maybe once once a month, working out really hard. Um, but it was because I was doing all this other crap. Yeah. So basically just schedule accordingly. You know, I I really like the you know, I'm not sh making any money off of Iron Neck, but it's like the perfect tool. Anything where you're doing like a calisthenics low-intensity, high volume equivalent of working, your neck and your upper back love high volume.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:43

I'll throw in that yen yoga.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:45

Do some yen yoga where you just hold poses and you literally like for minutes, five minutes. I thought I was doing one today for my upper back because my upper back and neck are bothering me right now because of my poor posture and phone usage and um microphone touching, microphone touching obsessive microphone touching. Well, what it couldn't be an episode if I didn't move my microphone 50 times or hit it or play with the cord. But um I was laying in that thread the needle. And I've done thread the needle a million times, but it's like this go underneath. I've never laid in it for five minutes, and I was like, oh, I don't know if I can do this anymore. And then it and then she started to talk like the yoga instructor on the video, and I was like, okay, good, we're done. And but what she said was take five to ten more breaths in this position. I was like, I don't think I can do that. But I did feel I didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:33

It was like claustrophobe, uh claustrophobia.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:35

Yeah, I just like had like a little panic, but that was just good for breath work anyway. But um I did feel much better after it. And it was only three poses in 27 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:45

Whoa.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:46

Yeah. And two of them were right and left, so four poses, and one of them was just like a fold, and so it's just truly just five poses in 27.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:55

So hold holding if you holding those, I've not done yin yin yoga, is that what's called?

SPEAKER_03 1:24:00

Yeah, Y-I-N.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:01

But we were talking about this earlier today. I if you go on and and you look up uh these guys, uh Smashworks or or Mobility Wad or whatever uh Kelly Storette's calling it now, you'll hear them talk about like the magic of two minutes, like doing things for two minutes, holding positions for two minutes. And that's it's not just some arbitrary number. Like it is you you will literally re like reshape your tissue.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:30

But it takes time, and that's probably what what that is. It really sucks.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:36

They're usually walking you through lots of breathing while you're doing it, and having you like imagining yourself sending your breath to that knot in your shoulder, and you know that stuff sounds walked you through it.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:47

It sounds so stupid, but it's it's because we need like the Wim Hof stuff. Yes, he talked about that. And then you actually like start doing it, and you're like, holy crap, I really did just literally send breath to this knot in my shoulder. We can do things. You can exercise and deal with migraines. It you know, it it sucks, but that's is there anything else you want would want me to talk about with them?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:19

No, I I think that's great. Um I do think it's like, you know. Another one of those things where it's like people have everybody has something crappy that they have to deal with.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:30

And you would like to work out harder than you can, and so you just but you still have a happy life. That's my takeaway.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:38

I mean, it's true, as no one wants to hear it, but um Well like you're gonna get an injury. I'm not injured.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:44

You just gotta work around it.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:45

Yeah, you do. You know? Yeah, you yeah. It but the these things do really do work. I don't mean to talk to it like I'm you know, like I'm uh fatalist or something, but uh it it it you try it, you might like it. You will definitely improve your situation if you do all these things. Here's something you could here's a quick change you could have just right off the bat. Like, if you if you love doing squats um and you get migraines a lot, switch to belt squats for a while. Switch to something where you're holding the weight, whether with straps or you're tying it to to your hips, so you're not putting that that even with front squats, right? It's just such a heavy load on your upper back that it puts a ton of tension. I've never gotten I've never gotten a migraine after belt squats.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:34

That's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:35

Yeah, and I get them after like battle ropes and hill sprints and things like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:39

If you're a lady and you're doing belt squats, make sure you have on leggings, otherwise you will rip the crap out of your legs with those nylon straps.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:47

Like would what if you're if you're in a onesie? Could you wear a onesie?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:50

Could not wear a onesie because they don't have pants. You need to have a romper.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:53

A romper, okay. Or a bodysuit?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:55

No, that's more like a onesie. Like a suit. It's for you and your friends.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:00

What's the uh the the Tom Ghost in the bear uh friendship uh friendship dresses?

Wildflowers by Tom Petty: Song & Album Discussion

SPEAKER_03 1:27:07

I don't remember that. We ought to move on.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:10

Yeah. Yeah. To Wildflowers?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:12

Yep. We have about I mean, theoretically we're out of our 90. We just hit our 90 minute max, so 15 minutes?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:20

Okay. Let's go 15 minutes on wildflowers.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:22

Well, I mean, I could talk less about it if you want.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:26

Let's see where we go. Let's see up to 15 minutes on wildflowers by Tom Petty. It's also the name of the album.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:33

Is it just Tom Petty that wrote it? Not Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:37

It yeah, no, it's not Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:41

Who?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:41

Tom Petty.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:42

Tim Pritti.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:43

Tim Prady. Tim Prady.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:47

Uh let me just talk about Tom Petty for a minute. Um the first Tom Petty song I ever heard was Last Dance with Mary Jane. Good song. And of course, felt very bad, like I was a really Bad person for singing it on the school bus in fourth or fifth grade. And then my mom let me get the Tom Betty and the Heartbreaker's Greatest Hits album.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:11

I think everybody had that album.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:12

Yeah. And my sister was mad because she said that she would have never been allowed to get that one. She was younger.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:19

I know what that was like. Julia could have listened to everything, but I wasn't allowed to listen to everything.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:27

But anyway, I was absolutely obsessed with that album. I had it all completely memorized. The key change from one song to the next.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:33

The Greatest Hits album?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:35

Yes. And the nuances of That had Wildflowers on it, right? I think it did. I think it did. But I also had the Wild the album that was album Wildflowers called Wildflowers. Yes, I think. I also did have that. Did it look like a paper piece of just like a pain brown piece of paper?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:49

I also had that album. So I don't know if it was on the Greatest Hits album.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:53

It's a great album.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:54

But anyway, I had like all everything perfectly memorized, just like whenever I've like learn a musical, have that all memorized. I have like the way the person sang each word just down to a science.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:05

And do you know the next song that's coming and the key sang? That's what I said. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:08

I knew all the key changes that were coming up and where the next where they're gonna start and all. It's just it's a religious experience.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:15

Yeah. So you know I chose this song for two. With both Wildflowers, the album and the No, just Greatest Hits. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:23

I didn't like Wildflowers as much as Greatest Hits. As Greatest Hits.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:31

So, yeah, 94 is when this came out. Rick Rubin produced it. Did you know that?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:38

Who's that?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:39

He produced uh well, you're a big Slayer fan, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:42

I love Slayers. Slayer.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:45

Um, Beastie Boys.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:47

Oh, I like them. I like those boys.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:49

Rick Rubin's gotten around a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:51

He's uh Yeah, the name sounds very permiliar. I just don't actually know it.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:55

Big old beard. Beard. I hate my beard. I didn't know he produced this, though. That's pretty cool. Um went triple platinum. Uh you got Tom Petty on vocals, Mike Campbell on guitar, Bentmott Tench on keyboards, Steve Farone on drums, and various other session musicians.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:14

De various others?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:16

Although this is a pretty lean song. Yeah, de various others.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:18

Yes, it is, and I love it.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:20

It's considered the album itself is 214 on uh Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:31

Which album? Wildflowers?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:33

Wildflowers.

unknown 1:30:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:34

Yeah. I know this isn't about the album Wildflowers, but I do like to talk. I listened to the album this week. I'd heard it before.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:40

Remind me what else is on there so I can remember.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:43

Uh I'll just look. Yeah. Uh you don't know how it feels, I think is on there. Um now I'm getting all the greatest. It's down, down uh just look it up.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:57

I am.

Wildflowers Covers Discussion

SPEAKER_00 1:30:57

I'll keep talking. Um did you watch any covers? Have you listened to any covers of it? Of the song Wildflowers?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:04

I did not. We did a cover of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:06

We did do a cover of it. Yeah, you could listen to it on um our YouTube channel. Good. You can't on the podcast because of copyright issues.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:17

Thanks a lot, Ingrid.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:18

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:19

Are you looking up the uh Yeah, you don't know how it feels?

unknown 1:31:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:24

There's like Time to Move On, you wreck me.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:27

Half a dozen hits on there.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:29

It's good to be king.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:30

Good to be king, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:32

Only a broken heart, honeybee, don't fade on me, hard on me, cabin down below, find a friend, hire a place. House of the woods, crawling back to you, wake up time.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:40

Yeah. Good good stuff. Um, I listened to uh Billy Strings do a cover of this. Oh, was it good? It was. He's obviously great on guitar. I he had the mandolin, he had a I think there was a double bass, there was a banjo player. It was cool. It was live. Honestly, they lost the rhythm a little bit a couple times. Did they, really? Made me feel better about myself.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:02

We're fine. We're just two people.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:04

He's drifting.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:04

Just two married people.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:06

I watched, uh, but it's worth checking out. If you like the song, you like Billy Strings, definitely, definitely watch it.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:11

Did you um did you make him watch a nine-minute clip from um Whiplash after you listened to it?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:19

I love making my family watch things that I shouldn't make them watch. Um The Fox plus the Hound was another cover I watched featuring Lee Nash.

unknown 1:32:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:30

Nope. Nice vocal hard.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:32

I've heard of The Fox and the Hound. Were they cartoons?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:34

They were not. Oh. Not was it a real fox and a real dog? Corey Feldman? No. Um Kurt's back in action on the podcast here. Group Love was another one I will I I listened to. I said the vocals had character. Oh, it's one of those things that were like all the backup singers, one of those bands like the backup singers are like better vocalists than the front man, but the front man has a kind of a quality that's three voice.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:01

But they had nice uh piano and pedal still going on that sounded great. Uh Adam Pierce was just a solid acoustic cover. I said that he had beautiful red hair.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:11

Oh, did he?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:13

He lost the rhythm a little bit too, but it was good. He was good. He was he was a good player. Jack and Daisy, they're a British duo, a young British couple. They had a nice singing blend. They were both playing acoustic guitar.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:26

Like us.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:26

Like us, except he was singing and she was singing. She was blending. She was blending.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:31

Kruber? No. Back out. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:34

Cooper.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:35

Sorry everybody. The dog's trying to get up in our area.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:38

The It's warm under there at this moment. My favorite cover.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:41

Go back.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:42

Even more so than oh my gosh, hang on. Even more so than Billy Strings, I would say. Even though I'd love to build a play like him. But um, is uh kitchen covers. Are you familiar with that?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:55

No. Do they use the colours?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:57

They also get our nobody award.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:58

Really?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:59

Well, because they have less than 50,000 subscribers. They're like 47,000 or something. They're almost like this airs, they may be.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:06

They're gonna have like another 47, they're gonna be like 47, 23.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:10

But their names are uh Drew, Drew Holcomb, and Ellie Holcomb. And they do covers of songs in their kitchen. They're a married couple, they're a lot like us.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:22

No, they're not. They're not as good as us.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:25

They are quite good. They're they're better than us. I only watched the one song. They did great.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:31

I don't want them to win the award. They're gonna take our all of our subscribers away. People are gonna unsubscribe. That's how it works. When you find someone you like better on YouTube, you unsubscribe from the most similar channel.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:43

Especially in the married space.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:44

You have a limited amount of subscription that you can offer out.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:47

That's that'd be an interesting platform.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:49

I'm glad that doesn't work like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:50

What uh what works like that? There is something uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:56

Back to back to Tom. Yeah. Tim Pretty.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:58

Some some sort of uh Hunger Games type. You can only vote for Oh, I know what it is. It's Dungeon Crawler Carl.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:04

Oh, right. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:05

You can only subscribe to so many.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:07

So you have to really think about where you want to spend your subscription.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:10

That's what it was. Okay. Um so yeah, they they get uh the kitchen covers. You can probably check them out. I bet I'd like them. I think you'd like them. You would like them. Um B-side on this, from what I could tell.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:23

And did it have a record?

SPEAKER_00 1:35:27

No, I well, I don't know. I mean it it I'm not sure how it performed. Um I didn't I couldn't find anything about about it hidden on the I mean it was on greatest hits, I'm almost positive.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:41

But uh I got someone requested it um early this summer for me at work.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:47

Wildflowers?

SPEAKER_03 1:35:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:48

It's a beautiful song. I love I love this song. Like when we when you said you want to do it, I was definitely feeling it. It's one of my favorite Tom Petty songs.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:57

It couldn't be more in the vein of songs that I pick.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:01

Well, I mean, it is it is your wheelhouse. It's like folksy, but it's kinda um I don't is it the same is it the same chord progression as uh slow down.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:15

We move too fast. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:18

Is it the same chord progression as as old friend?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:23

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:24

And let it be. It's not is it uh one what would that be?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:29

It's four one five one.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:31

Four one five one? Okay, no, it's not. Never mind.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:34

But it is it is the same as feeling groovy.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:36

Okay. Little uh Simon Agarfong. Do you how'd you feel about about covering it?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:45

I loved it. It's easy.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:46

So you've done the song before?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:48

I have.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:49

I like it when you play the guitar and sing.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:51

With you?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:52

Yeah, I like I think probably my favorite of all these that we've done. I think my favorite is when you're playing the guitar. Specifically when you're playing the guitar and singing. Because it's usually a song that you're really comfortable with. It's usually a pretty simple song that I could add to with my guitar. It's just the easiest for me to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:14

It's where I'm Well, that's why I like it when you do all the instrumentation and I just sing.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:20

I don't mind that either. That's fun. I I like everything we do, but that's that's that's probably the easiest for me to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:26

Well, it's your favorite thing to do.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:28

Yeah, just basically play lead, more or less. Um It's uh do you have a what do you think about the little is there anything interesting going on here?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:38

Or is it all just pretty much It just takes a brief five of five in that instrumental?

SPEAKER_00 1:37:43

How explain that.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:44

The D is a five of five.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:46

The D.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:47

We go F, C, Oh, we played this in C, by the way. D. Yeah, we played it in C, sorry. G. The D is a five of five.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:57

Oh, there is a D. Yeah. Yes, that sounds great. I love that chord.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:01

I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:02

Yeah, it sounds really interesting. Okay, but that's it, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:38:05

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:05

There's really nothing else. We didn't play hard. Every once in a while he doesn't go to the energies on it. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:10

That's okay. Every once in a while he hangs out on the on the five instead of going back to the one.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:15

It's a fun song to jam on. I put this on the looper pedal.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:18

I heard you a couple nights ago.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:20

I've played for what, probably an hour. Like an hour.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:24

That's okay. I was probably reading.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:26

That's my the looper pedal is my time travel machine. It only goes in the future.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:32

I used to play the piano when I was waiting for people to come pick me up to do fun stuff because it was the only way it like killed so much time very quickly. Like an hour, I'd be like waiting for someone and and where my mom and dad's piano is located is in the room where you can see people pull up into the driveway. So two birds, one stone.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:49

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:50

Two birds, one piano.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:51

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:52

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:53

Yeah. Alright.

Liner Notes: Dream Covers, B-Sides & Soundtrack Picks

SPEAKER_00 1:38:54

So how about the uh do we want to go into our our our lists? Our our lists.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:00

Yes, I do. That's my favorite part.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:03

Alright.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:04

Okay. Sorry, I'm yawning.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:06

I don't actually have I haven't made up my mind what I was doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:08

Oh, what a surprise. Alright. Um Okay. Cover.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:16

Man.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:18

I know mine.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:20

What's yours?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:21

Joni Mitchell. Okay. That's what I was asking about the other day, because I was just thinking about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:26

Gotcha. Because you were thinking about um being in my cover.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:30

Someone asked, yeah, goodbye, pork by hat. Goodbye, pork by hat. They have a little old John.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:39

John Mayhon's playing the drums, although. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:41

Bob James is like, sorry guys, this is the best I could do. The drummer for old John. Um but anyway, what was I saying about it?

SPEAKER_04 1:39:51

You're talking about Joni Mitchell.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:53

Someone asked me the other day. I was it's February, so the theme for all my music therapy groups is like love, of course. And it's one older lady wanted to hear, best for you, best of you. Gosh, I gotta have to look it up. It's a Joni Mitchell song. And she said it was very popular to sing at weddings in like 60s, 70s, and 80s. I'd never heard it either, but then it got me, it went, took me down the Joni Mitchell rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:18

I like Joni Mitchell.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:19

I do too. She's kind of dramatic.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:22

Yeah. But I thought she would do a great job on that.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:25

Yeah, I thought she would do a great job on that. Who did you pick? But who are the five people you didn't pick first? Tell us that first, Rob.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:35

I was uh I I thought about Billy Joel for uh I thought that it'd be kind of good. For some reason, something about this song reminded me of She's Always a Woman to me. I don't re I don't remember why. I thought about um gosh, I I mate, well, who do I want to go with?

SPEAKER_03 1:40:54

I don't know, but we've already used up.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:56

Alright, fine. I'm gonna go with Toots and the Maytox.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:58

13 minutes of our 15.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:00

Pop and Pride. It reminds me of a song called Pomp and Pride by Toots and the Maytows. I would like to hear Toots do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:07

I would like it. Is that they're red Yeah, it's right. So that would be fun. That'd be a fun little pop in.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:13

Yeah, they'd be and they've done a lot of cool covers over the years. They did um they did uh Country Roads.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:20

Right. We talked about that, I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:21

Yeah. Pot or two. I feel like have I chose Toots and Have I chosen Toots and the Vay Towns before?

SPEAKER_03 1:41:27

Well, we were talking about them last time.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:29

When we were talking about them at one point.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:31

I feel like we talked about them last time, but I don't remember why. Well Dan, let us know.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:35

I'm gonna go with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:36

Okay. Alright. Your B side.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:40

Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:41

What's yours?

SPEAKER_03 1:41:42

Well, the instrumental part, the da that sounded like a Beatles song to me. But then I couldn't remember which one, but then I decided I wanted it to be that I'm looking through you Beatles. I think that would be great. Yeah. Nice. But I like the Wallflowers cover of the Beatles song from the I Am Sam album.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:07

Bringing it back.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:08

Yeah. Anyway, that's mine. What's yours?

SPEAKER_00 1:42:11

I think I'm gonna go with um starting over, Chris Stapleton. The way the guitar is played, the strum pattern reminds me of that song. And he was almost my cover.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:23

He'd be a good cover.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:25

He'd be a good cover of this. But yeah, I'll go with that. I like that. Good B-side for this.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:31

You got a uh soundtrack.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:33

You go first this time.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:37

I'm gonna go with Forrest Gump.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:39

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:40

First of all, 1994.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:42

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:43

Um that was that was mainly all classic rock songs, but throw it on here. You got uh I I was thinking it'd be a good song about, you know, for uh first of all, my my first movie I thought of of it would be a good soundtrack for was the Truman Show. Like when it was especially toward the end, you know. Yeah. But I thought Forrest Gone because he's you know, boats out at sea, uh Wildflowers, like Jenny. I was thinking Jenny. This is so maybe they play this at her funeral or something, but I'm thinking I want this to be a song for Lieutenant Dan.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:17

Uh Gary Sinise.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:19

He does belong among the wild.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:20

This is he does. Gary Sinise is a beautiful human.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:23

Oh. I uh he needs a beach wheelchair though if he's gonna get out there in that meadow.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:28

And he'll get it.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:29

Altering.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:30

Well, he has legs, remember, he gets legs.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:31

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:32

He gets out at the end and has legs, he finds himself a woman and uh she has legs? She has legs too. Terrible migraines, though. Oh my gosh, she can't work out very hard.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:45

Uh okay, well, I was thinking sorry, is that all you had to say?

SPEAKER_00 1:43:48

Hmm.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:49

Yes, it is. I think it would be great on the horrible, horrible Nicholas Sparks movie A Walk to Remember with Mandy Moore. Where spoiler alert, she dies at the end.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:04

Nicholas Sparks is the notebook, too, right? Yes. Does he just left killing women?

SPEAKER_03 1:44:08

Apparently.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:09

Who doesn't?

SPEAKER_03 1:44:10

He's probably a serial killer, I'm really. Who doesn't? Okay. This is a chill day. I like I don't mind a chill uh recording session. Pretty chill.

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