Bobiverse, Hatchet & Our Favorite Books to Reread | Ep 28

We trade the fiction books we can’t stop revisiting, from classic kid survival stories to big nerdy sci-fi series that reward another pass. We also squeeze in our James Taylor concert line chatter, then wrap with our own cover of “You’ve Got A Friend” and a rapid-fire tour of famous versions. 

• quitting Paradise and venting about mismatched TV tropes 
• why rereading happens and how “comfort reads” form 
• audiobook life, narrator preferences, and what breaks immersion 
• Rob’s rereads and re-listens, including Magic 2.0, Bobiverse, Dungeon Crawler Carl, and Hard Luck Hank 
• Leslie’s rereads, including Ender’s Game, Hatchet, The Cookcamp, and the Harry Potter series 
• time-loop recommendation with The First 15 Lives of Harry August 
• books we want to read again, including Project Hail Mary and Gates of Fire 
• covering “You’ve Got A Friend,” plus James Taylor vs Carole King and the best and worst cover instincts 

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Transcript

Basement Banter And Theme Song

SPEAKER_01 0:00

On this episode of the audience won't like it. I got offered I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but I got offered a hundred dollars from a nice man to to to buy to sell my sickness.

SPEAKER_04 0:09

I don't think you've said that on there. I haven't been alive. If you're the one thousandth subscriber, Rob will send you a screen.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

Cut them up in little pieces. There's a d a thousand pieces.

SPEAKER_04 0:17

Send one to every subscriber. It was like, here's a plot line from this show, and here's a plot line from this show, and none of it's gonna come together to be even half as good as any of these shows that we stole this plot murder.

SPEAKER_01 0:27

I'd rather just watch Silo. Like even if they have like the biggest twist reveal in the world that just blows the roof off the show, I still don't care.

SPEAKER_04 0:35

Yeah, the topic.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Five books we've read, five fiction books we've read more than once.

SPEAKER_04 0:40

I've read the first one way more than three times. I read it a million times. I loved it so much when it first came out. I probably read it ten times. So good. And I have a lot of me rereading books was because we didn't have cable. You know, there was no devices or anything like that. So I was truly like picking up a book and just like, well, I read this last night, I guess I'll read it again tonight. That is your version of trash romance.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. That in mind, she said the song wrote itself. Uh you know, it's it it plays like it wrote itself.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

Freddie Mercury had that play at his funeral.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

They do sing the chorus together, but they don't really harmonize.

SPEAKER_04 1:15

It's weird. Like divas. Because they're divas. They probably can't.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Hello, my dear. Hello, my little theme song I wrote.

SPEAKER_04 1:23

I would. Is it new?

SPEAKER_01 1:25

No, but I'd change the lyric.

SPEAKER_04 1:26

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

Let's see if I can do it without screwing up.

SPEAKER_04 1:29

Bet you can't.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

I bet I can't. Ready? Two married friends in a basement room. So standing in line with two microphones. Cute. They got in a car crash. She died in his arms.

SPEAKER_04 1:54

We're gonna need a timeline recap.

SPEAKER_01 1:56

He kissed her lips was on the way home. Cause she was still warm. The audience won't like it. No. No not at all.

SPEAKER_04 2:12

At all. No, not at all. That was really cute. I really like that.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Because we're octaves. Thanks. Just change switch it up a little bit to kind of so you know.

SPEAKER_04 2:26

Keep the audience guessing.

Standing In Line For James Taylor

SPEAKER_01 2:27

You know how I like theme songs where uh tells you what the show's about. Tells you what the show's about. Guys, welcome to the Owner Tool Market. This is Rob Shoecraft. This is my wife Leslie Shoecraft.

SPEAKER_04 2:35

That's me, I'm the wife Shoecraft.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

This is a show about standing in line for a concert. And the little talks that that might come about.

SPEAKER_04 2:42

That might and also you're gonna want to can you move that chord?

SPEAKER_01 2:45

Because I might be fondling it with my flipper. Fondle?

SPEAKER_04 2:49

That's it, that is a an absolute Is that a not okay word for this family podcast?

SPEAKER_01 2:55

Fondle?

SPEAKER_04 2:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

You could fondle. It's a foot fondle, which is way up there for some folks, but for others, it's all completely off the radar. Totally fine.

SPEAKER_04 3:02

I bet our subscribership just really went through that.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

Arguably family friendly. I think what people really want to see is my feet. Oh, this is your this is mine.

SPEAKER_04 3:10

I know. That's Rob's cord. He's moving his cord, everybody.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

My feet are. You know what? I'm gonna keep it.

SPEAKER_04 3:16

Okay. I'll do my best, not too. It's gonna be too noisy. Make any sounds.

SPEAKER_01 3:20

Guys, this is a show about standing in line.

SPEAKER_04 3:23

Two married people.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

Two married, two married friends? People. Uh standing in line for a concert.

SPEAKER_04 3:29

I forget who we're seeing today. Well don't tell me I want to remember. What's wrong with my brain? Oh, I know who it is. It's we're gonna see James Taylor today.

SPEAKER_01 3:38

So we're seeing James Taylor.

SPEAKER_04 3:40

Not anyone else.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Not Carol King.

SPEAKER_04 3:43

She she was probably somewhere afoot. She's gonna be somewhere afoot.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

Carol Foot? Carol the foot fondler uh King?

SPEAKER_04 3:51

No, no, she's a foot.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

Oh, she is a foot. Oh.

SPEAKER_04 3:54

Like at the concert, she'll be somewhere there nearby.

SPEAKER_01 3:56

She's not a foot.

SPEAKER_04 3:58

I wish everyone could appreciate the delicate moves that Rob was doing happening. I don't How did you lose?

SPEAKER_01 4:05

No how I did that.

SPEAKER_04 4:07

But uh Yeah, I don't know what the heck.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Yeah, I'll tell you what.

SPEAKER_04 4:12

What the heck in heaven? I'll just I'm not gonna hit it, I promise.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

All right.

SPEAKER_04 4:15

Sorry guys, thanks for coming along. Anyway, we're gonna go see James Taylor today. My favorite, probably it's a top ten favorite song ever for me. Yeah. I never heard the Carol King version. I at first I only ever heard the James Taylor version. So that's why I was not the Carol King version.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

I'd I'd wager it's about uh at least 149 other people's top ten favorite songs.

SPEAKER_04 4:37

Well, it's a great song.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

That's how many covers I could find. I stopped listening after about twenty.

SPEAKER_04 4:41

Wow. I mean Carol King is a pretty bomb songwriter.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

She's pretty good.

SPEAKER_04 4:46

She gone?

SPEAKER_01 4:47

No.

SPEAKER_04 4:47

Oh good.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

I don't think so. Good. Hey, you know what? I got a little computer right here. Why don't you uh why don't you vamp on uh Well I singing at work a lot.

SPEAKER_04 4:56

Whenever I sit down with people and I can offer them a music therapy session and they they can't they can't function enough to tell me anything that they want to hear. It's like one of those things where it's like you know a million things until someone asks you it, and then you can't think of any of it.

SPEAKER_03 5:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:11

So I usually this is usually in my rotation of things to try with them. It's like easy listening, it's you know, it's a nice song because I'm usually in a uh a position of trying to offer some support to some folks.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Everyone knows it. Do you already say that?

SPEAKER_04 5:26

People have mostly heard it. Um people have heard of James Taylor, so it's a safe choice, and it's also of course a really nice song.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

Uh Carol King is still alive. She's 84. She has not gone the way of uh concert Sweet Sweet Chuck Norris.

SPEAKER_04 5:40

Oh rest in peace, baby.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

Rest in peace, Carlos Ray, I believe is his name.

SPEAKER_04 5:45

Aw. Who cares about that?

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Who cares about his name?

SPEAKER_04 5:48

His name is Chuck Norris.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

Carlos Ray is a pretty sweet name.

SPEAKER_04 5:51

Why'd he change it?

SPEAKER_01 5:52

I mean, Chuck Norris is only cool because Chuck Norris was cool. Of course. I know that Chuck Norris is a Trump supporter or something. I don't follow politics.

SPEAKER_04 6:02

What? Everyone's allowed to have a supporter.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Well, people decided that they hate him.

SPEAKER_04 6:06

Oh, like since he died, they've decided that?

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Yeah, just whatever. I don't know. I haven't kept up on it. But all I know is that he did Lone Wolf McQuaid.

SPEAKER_04 6:13

That's all I know.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

I know that he fought Bruce Lee and uh crap.

SPEAKER_04 6:17

Was it the Chinese Connection or was that a sequel to the Miami Connection?

SPEAKER_01 6:22

It was a predecessor.

SPEAKER_04 6:24

Ah.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

It paved the way.

SPEAKER_04 6:26

I guess so.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

It ran so that uh Miami Connection could fall down the stairs and beat itself. Beautiful and just later it bleed out.

SPEAKER_04 6:36

No one coming to save it.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

Hey, by the way, you want to watch Miami Connection next week?

SPEAKER_04 6:41

Well, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

Maybe.

SPEAKER_04 6:42

I wouldn't say no.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Really?

SPEAKER_04 6:44

I don't know if I want to watch it next week.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

I didn't plan on saying sometime soon. We didn't plan on saying, we gotta watch Groundhog Day probably before before Miami Connection. We'll see.

SPEAKER_04 6:52

They're like pretty close. Yeah. My sister said Groundhog Day is one of the best movies ever.

SPEAKER_01 6:58

Oh, did she? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:59

She said she couldn't believe I'd never seen it. I mean She said we weren't sisters anymore.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

I I I hate to overhype it. It's just uh it's just a great it is. It's a great movie.

SPEAKER_04 7:09

I can't wait to see it.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

I think you'll like it. Cool. Just just sit back and and enjoy it.

SPEAKER_04 7:14

And it's uh So anyway, do you think Chuck Norris will be at our concert?

SPEAKER_01 7:17

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:18

Like uh the one that we're putting together. Not the one we're gonna be attending today, but right.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

The one that with all the all the his his buddies, his uh dead friends. His dead friends. All of his dead friends. What can he do there?

SPEAKER_04 7:28

Like a like an exposition, like a karate expo? Yeah, he could do uh Well was he a karate karatician?

SPEAKER_01 7:35

To be honest with you, I was thinking he'd write in on uh maybe Jonathan Brandis. Uh they were in a movie together.

SPEAKER_04 7:41

What was the movie called?

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Sidekicks.

SPEAKER_04 7:43

Oh my goodness. Who were they? Sidekicks? Were they both sidekicks?

SPEAKER_01 7:46

So it was a movie where Jonathan Brandis was a like a troubled youth who uh he was always getting through a little on the nose. It's been a minute since I've seen this movie, uh, maybe since it came out, and I want to say maybe like 93-ish, four-ish, five-ish.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Jonathan Brandis, Rest in Peace, was a uh this was pre-sequest. This was around the era of ladybugs. Uh he was a He was a kid who was getting in trouble a lot, uh getting bullied and sounds like karate kid. And he used to have fantasies about like hanging out with Chuck Norris.

SPEAKER_04 8:21

Oh the real Chuck Norris? Yeah. Like the Walker Tech or something.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

How they team up together and fight people. So we'd have he'd have all these daydreams about Chuck Norris all the time. And then he actually meets up with them at the end and there's like a karate tournament.

SPEAKER_04 8:32

Chuck, thank you for your service to our country.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

I remember loving it.

SPEAKER_04 8:36

The movie industry.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

I can't imagine it's good. It's hold up held up too well.

SPEAKER_04 8:40

I thought that was like everything you wanted it to be. It was pretty cool. Getting bullies getting there, you get to meet up with Chuck Norris. Yeah, that's true. But Brandis boy. He's right at the center of it all. He's right at the center of it all.

SPEAKER_01 8:54

Did you ever watch Sequest?

SPEAKER_04 8:56

Yeah, heck yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

Did you? I never actually seen it.

SPEAKER_04 8:58

Oh, it's great. Should we watch a Sequest? We should watch a Sequest and see how it works.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

But there's some good is it like Star Trek where there's like good standalone episodes? No idea. I'm sure it is. There's no way it's not. I was like the bread and butter of sci-fi in the 90s.

unknown 9:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

Okay, so yeah, rest in peace, old Chuck Norris, Phil Campbell, who's a guitarist from Motorhead. Big motorhead uh gal.

SPEAKER_04 9:20

I'm not.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

No. He he passed away at the age of 64.

SPEAKER_04 9:24

When he was sixty-four?

SPEAKER_01 9:25

When he was sixty four.

SPEAKER_04 9:26

He can sing that song now. When he's sixty-four.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

I don't know what it is about I want to say that was on uh Sergeant Pepper, right?

SPEAKER_04 9:35

Yes, I think so.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

Yeah, Phil Campbell when he was sixty-four.

SPEAKER_04 9:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

I want to say that Phil Campbell, if I remember I read it right. I think he was a big Brandus boy, too. I bet he was. I bet he might be fighting Chuck Norris to write line with him.

Chuck Norris Lore And 90s TV

SPEAKER_04 9:46

To write in on him. Tour. You guys were hosting a concert sometime. It's gonna be pretty soon. So keep your subscribe to the channel and stuff so that you don't miss out on when tickets go for sale.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

Yeah. Um we're um um I got resurrection just around the corner, I'm pretty sure. That's about to pop. Yep. I'm working on it. Yep. Yeah. Um did you want to talk about hey guys?

SPEAKER_04 10:13

Hey. Hey. Hey, hi Rob. How's it going?

SPEAKER_01 10:18

Hey, so glad uh That was a couple different people. Hey, you know what I was thinking?

SPEAKER_04 10:22

What?

SPEAKER_01 10:22

Uh I've just I have some I I did not go through all my my crazy note-taking this this week. I just didn't feel right. Why were we were we super busy or what?

SPEAKER_04 10:32

Um was I just I don't I've I just work so much now, I can't I don't get my two to three hours alone in the house every day. It's really bumming.

SPEAKER_01 10:40

I didn't even watch a full movie. I started Raging Bull.

SPEAKER_04 10:44

What were we doing?

SPEAKER_01 10:44

I would hate Raging Bull.

SPEAKER_04 10:46

Yeah, I bet I would.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

It's a it's a biopic about uh uh uh Lamata. Jake Lamotta. He's a boxer in the 40s. He's a unless he lost it. Unless he turns it around, he's not the nicest guy.

SPEAKER_04 11:01

He's not gonna have a lot of it.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

A little bit of a womanizer, a little bit. Uh Joe Pesci's in it. It's a great, it's a great movie so far. You can keep watching that one on your own. Oh watch, I'll let you know how it goes. Uh you yeah, you would absolutely hate it though. Um okay. I also I wrote down community. I feel like we need to at some point, let's not do it now, but at some point we need to say that we finished see where community fits into our bedtime sitcoms.

SPEAKER_04 11:28

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 11:29

It's gonna fit.

SPEAKER_01 11:31

It's gonna fit.

SPEAKER_04 11:32

We watched the entire series, so it definitely fits.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

And we're about to potentially add what we do in the shadows to it. We'll see how that goes.

SPEAKER_04 11:41

We gotta catch up on our Ricks and Morts.

Why We Quit Paradise

SPEAKER_01 11:44

We do. We do. We we we got a season of Rick and Morty we haven't seen. We just realized, so we're gonna take care of that first. Um we want do anything we want to say about about those about such things? No. No? Do we want to talk about why we stopped watching Paradise, did we?

SPEAKER_04 12:00

Yeah, I think we're done.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

Yeah. We're not.

SPEAKER_04 12:02

Now it w if I like have a wild hair where I'm alone one day and I don't have anything to do or watch, could I watch it?

SPEAKER_01 12:09

Go ahead. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 12:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:11

So there's that possibility.

SPEAKER_01 12:12

I'll be honest with you, I was kind of ready to quit. If you after the first episode said you didn't want to watch it anymore, I'd be like, Yeah, I'm fine with that.

SPEAKER_04 12:19

It just It didn't go anywhere.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

Oh man.

SPEAKER_04 12:22

It was like, here's a plot line from this show, and here's a plot line from this show, and none of it's gonna come together to be even half as good as any of these shows that we stole these plot lines from.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

They're two semi-likable characters, we're gonna kill them both.

SPEAKER_04 12:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

Like right off the bat.

SPEAKER_04 12:36

Right away. Yeah. It's just like Well, I mean, in Cyclops' defense, he is kind of recurring, even though he's dead.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

He is, he's he's a m a mud. I just Okay, I uh it's cool that the show I'm not spoiling anything. This happens in the first episode. It's on Apple TV. Uh it's on Hulu.

SPEAKER_04 12:54

Oh, it's on Hulu. Just kidding. Because I was gonna say, more like Crapple TV.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

But now I can't. Hey.

SPEAKER_04 13:03

What's Chulu? Chulu? Uh huh.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

Ca Cthulhu? The uh pasta god monster, the Pasta? I don't know. What the uh the HP Lovecraft uh I don't know. Uh you know the the pirate with the tentacle face?

SPEAKER_04 13:21

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

It's kind of a Cthulhu.

SPEAKER_04 13:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

That's not clearly not the word you're looking for.

SPEAKER_04 13:26

Back to Paradise and why we're not gonna watch it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

So I the concept's kind of cool about living in a cave. That's pretty neat. It's more of a murder mystery. I did a lot of it. But it's not even a good one. Yeah. It's just like the president, but he's not really the president of the case.

SPEAKER_04 13:41

It's like it's literally like they took like five really popular tropes right now and like put them in a big pile and sat in the middle of it, and then they took their arms and just swept things in from the piles. And it doesn't it's not cohesive. It's like it doesn't really matter that you're living in a cave. But also, I'd rather find out more about the cave and this murder than than this murder.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

I'd rather just watch Silo. Like even if they have like the biggest twist reveal in the world that just blows the roof off the show. I still don't care. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:14

What's the one we watched with Jake Gyllenhaal?

SPEAKER_01 14:17

Oh, that was like a mistake. Zoomed innocent.

SPEAKER_04 14:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

That was great.

SPEAKER_04 14:20

That was great. That's what I want this to be like.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Yeah. Pick a lane.

SPEAKER_04 14:24

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

I mean, I know I realize that our entire show does not pick a lane.

SPEAKER_04 14:28

Well, yeah, but we're not making any money. We have 30 subscribers? Do we have 31?

SPEAKER_01 14:33

No.

SPEAKER_04 14:33

Do we have 30?

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Yeah. It's a bit slow.

SPEAKER_04 14:36

See, we can say whatever we want.

SPEAKER_01 14:37

Yeah, we could do whatever we want to do. Yeah. It's not going to change anything at all.

SPEAKER_04 14:41

Do you want to to beef up our subscribership? Because I know how we can do it. I want to take off those socks.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

I want to see. I want to see.

SPEAKER_04 14:53

You guys can see the tops of my legs this time. This is new for me.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

I got a I'll get offered. I'm sure I mentioned this before, but I got offered$100 from a nice man to buy it to sell myself.

SPEAKER_04 15:02

I don't think you've said that on the live now. On the live. We're live.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

We're alive. I don't know if I'd do it for$100, but I do it I might do it for a thousand subscribers.

SPEAKER_04 15:12

Oh, okay. If you're the 1,000th subscriber, Rob will send you his.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

Cut them up in little pieces. There's a d a thousand pieces?

SPEAKER_04 15:19

Send one to every subscriber.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

You know the little um I don't want one.

SPEAKER_04 15:22

So you can baseball cards. Just cut them into 999 pieces.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Baseball cards were doing this thing. Sports card, trading cards, if you will. Yes. We're doing this thing. I I've since lost touch. But they were doing this deal, I think it was like Upper Deck, had a a deal where you could get like George Washington's hair in a card.

SPEAKER_04 15:40

The president?

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:43

Why would you want that?

SPEAKER_01 15:44

I mean, I'd take it.

SPEAKER_04 15:45

What's that have to do with baseball?

SPEAKER_01 15:46

Well, that's the thing. They would have all this little stuff in these cards. They would have uh Brian was a big big fan of it for a bit. And they'd he'd have like a bench, like a piece of a chair from an old legendary baseball polo fields or something.

SPEAKER_04 16:00

That makes sense, but tell me more about George Washington's hair.

SPEAKER_01 16:03

Well, I want to tell you more about my my idea. Well, do you want to know more about George Washington's?

SPEAKER_04 16:07

Why would George Washington's hair be in a baseball card? Uh it they're just going for I'm I'm talking out of my butt here, but trying to get people over the years. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

And they're trying to get just crazy reasons, like really interesting.

SPEAKER_04 16:21

Where did they get a piece of George Washington's hair?

SPEAKER_01 16:23

I don't know. But I swear I saw a Pond Stars episode where a guy had that card.

SPEAKER_04 16:28

So are we gonna make a baseball card of you? We're gonna make a card and it's gonna have a piece of your sock.

SPEAKER_01 16:33

We're gonna have a thousand little pieces gonna make it.

SPEAKER_04 16:36

No, 999. Oh. I'm one of the subscribers and I don't need one. So the pieces just got a little bigger.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

Oh, I see what you're doing. Yeah. Well then in that case, no, yeah, that's fine.

SPEAKER_04 16:46

It's fair.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

My mom wants one, though, you think?

SPEAKER_04 16:48

She doesn't subscribe.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

Uncle Dan's like Can I have a whole sock? He's just buying all these burner phones.

SPEAKER_04 16:55

So we can subscribe.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

So we can subscribe. Just have tons of pieces of socks. Yeah, but we'll but build them into cards and then we'll, of course, sell them and uh not sell them, pardon. Gosh, heavens no.

SPEAKER_04 17:09

It took us a long time to get through that.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

That was a long time.

SPEAKER_04 17:12

Was that in your notes?

SPEAKER_01 17:13

That was not. George Washington's hair. No, not in there. Nope.

SPEAKER_04 17:16

1,000 pieces of sock.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Why does this podcast take so long? Why do we talk so long?

SPEAKER_04 17:21

It's not me.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

You wanted to know all about George Washington. You've won a perfect book. We would have been probably done with the podcast by now if you didn't make me go on and on.

SPEAKER_04 17:30

That's all, folks. Thanks for coming.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

We're talking about paradise. Can I just say one more lousy thing? The freaking the the slow versions, the slow covers. The whisper covers of 80s songs. Dude. Like, they're awful.

SPEAKER_04 17:48

I don't even notice them until you say, uh, uh, and then I hear it.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

It's just uh, you know, obviously I love covers. I mean, I'm totally fine with covers. I I'm I whatever. It's not even work right now.

SPEAKER_04 18:00

Whisper covers of like 80s rock battle.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

But I don't like whisper singing.

SPEAKER_04 18:03

No, I don't like whisper singing.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

But that's fine. That I get. People like whisper singing. People like uh, you know.

SPEAKER_04 18:09

Hopefully not people subscribe to this channel.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

Billy Eyelash, William Eyelash, and William.

SPEAKER_04 18:13

Will I am eyelash?

SPEAKER_01 18:15

Will I am eyelash and uh Elliot Smith and uh just a lot of great whisper singers out there that just I can't like my misophonia you know messes with me. Whatever, that's fine. But oh, what are you doing there? But these aren't good, these are not good songs. They're just they take well they're good. The songs are good, but they they're crappy, crappy covers. And it's just garbage, just cheap. Yeah, it sucks. Yeah, it sucks. And it's just like, wow, that episode really wasn't that good. I think I might quit the show. Oh, I'm definitely quitting it now. Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 18:50

Sorry, Renee. Renee's the one that told us to watch it.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

Yeah, Renee, not impressed. Not impressed.

SPEAKER_04 18:54

I told her I'm like, if you want to see something good, Renee, watch Silo.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Yeah, Renee.

SPEAKER_04 18:58

Renee. She'll never hear this either.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

What if it's like great? Well, the next season could be, you know, first up first season of Star Trek Next Generation sucked. First season of Parks and Recks.

SPEAKER_04 19:07

Did it suck the way this sucks? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:09

This is just like it's so the the dialogue, just everything about it's garbage. The characters are completely unlikable. Sinatra is awful. Oh yeah. The actress is fine, I guess. I mean, like she was most interesting in the beginning when the like before the you know, end of the world or whatever actually happened that I don't care about. That we don't know about. It's pretty rare that I like just completely don't care. I like like I like Reacher. You know? That is a butt show, but it's great.

SPEAKER_04 19:38

It's yeah, but they don't try to be something they're not. They just it's just like doing the Reacher. This is what you're getting.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

Yep. And and let's have fun. This is just this is trying to be it's trying to be cool. It's not. Sorry, sorry, paradigm.

SPEAKER_04 19:52

Okay, so will we.

Music Assignments And City Of Angels

SPEAKER_01 19:54

Audience won't like it. Yeah. I don't care. Do you want to get into the good stuff? Just want to get right into the topic.

SPEAKER_04 20:03

We can. I did have one little thing that I'd love to know. I was wondering if because you didn't assign me anything this week to listen to.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Can I tell you what I was gonna assign you? Sure. I was gonna assign you Blood on the Tracks by Bob Dylan.

SPEAKER_04 20:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

But it was like Yeah, something about this week just moved fast. It was like Thursday. I'm like, I don't want to overwhelm you with overwhelm. Overwhelm.

SPEAKER_04 20:25

Yeah, overwhelm.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

Um sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 20:27

Well, you can assign me that for next week. Is that my assignment? Yeah, let's do that.

SPEAKER_01 20:30

Blood on the tracks.

SPEAKER_04 20:31

I would love it if you would listen to with uh actual attention being paid to the City of Angels musical.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 20:41

Because it's all jazz like it's very like scripted jazz, but like written out so that would sound the same every time. But I would like for you to listen to it. City of Angels. Can I tell you do you want me to tell you the basic plot line?

SPEAKER_01 20:56

Uh before you do, yes. But before you do, did in did anybody uh in in Caroline's Madrigals Variety Show do a song from the city of the show?

SPEAKER_04 21:05

No. Most of the musicals that were used in the variety show were um newer. Except for the whiz and the one Caroline did.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

Which is from Once Upon a Mattress? Yes. Our daughter did a uh our daughter's high school did a variety show recently. Show choir. Sorry we didn't film it.

SPEAKER_04 21:27

If you have child oh, I did. Oh that's true.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

It's like that Louis C.K. But you watch it.

SPEAKER_04 21:33

Yeah. Oh, that's really funny.

SPEAKER_01 21:37

Yeah, City of Angels. So the what's the plot?

SPEAKER_04 21:40

Okay, so an author gets his book sold to be made into a movie. So you're following both the plot line of the author trying to get they don't he's not happy with a screenplay, which apparently is like a thing, like when people's books are made into movies and then they change it. And so like that plot line's Unfolding and then there's a plot line that follows the actual fictional detective and what the story's about.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

So is the story pretty good? Like when you watch a musical, how much is how much are you watching because of the songs and how much of it I want them to sing and dance full out the whole time. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_04 22:21

Period. Are there musicals where there's this is clever because to the book it's like a sorry, parallel storyline happening, but it's the storyline of the book, the movie, is unfolding while the author's working out his deal trying to get his book the way he wants it.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

It's kind of cool. And then there's one song where there's a John Candy movie like that at one point. Maybe not.

SPEAKER_04 22:44

There's one song where the author and the lead like leading man from his book are singing together. It's called You're Nothing Without Me. They're both saying that to the other one.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

Oh. I'm pretty sure that the author has been.

SPEAKER_04 22:57

Yeah, he's got he's holding the key to that one. But anyway. To check it out because I've been listening to it a lot lately. My sister was in it. In the uh the original production, yeah, she was on Broadway. I think it was like the 80s, late 80s, me early 80s, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

Child Star.

SPEAKER_04 23:11

There's one song that has a trombone solo in it.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 23:14

Yeah, see? You're gonna love it.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

So the pit is very active.

SPEAKER_04 23:16

It is. Look at me. It's like a small, you know, jazz ensemble.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Little uh little quartet.

SPEAKER_04 23:24

I think it's much bigger than that. Oh. But I don't know that it's a full orchestra.

SPEAKER_01 23:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 23:28

That could be wrong.

unknown 23:29

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 23:30

What do I know? I guess we'll find out next week. All right. I guess did you know that? That sounds good, yeah. I'll check it out. Anything else you've been doing? What did you say you started listening to? Did you already tell me that?

SPEAKER_01 23:39

So I started listening to Well, I started watching Raging Bull.

SPEAKER_04 23:43

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Uh we talked about Oppenheimer, I think it was the last movie I watched. I started listening to A Little Hatred, which is the seventh, seventh main installment of First Law, Joe Abercrombie. Shar Sharp, if you call it if you count the novella, then it's the eighth book. But it started that one. There's nine of them.

SPEAKER_04 24:08

Alright.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

Uh did I say what what did I say? Seventh? I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 24:13

Yeah, I think you did say seventh. It would be eighth if you counted the novella.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

Yeah. So it's pretty good so far. No, um, yeah, not didn't really. I got my butt kicked by Clark four times in VA2K. It absolutely slaughters me. I just He's getting so much better and better, and I'm just getting so much worse.

SPEAKER_04 24:36

Well, he has a little bit more time to dedicate to it than you do.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

A little bit.

SPEAKER_04 24:39

Because you keep making us do this crap. Just kidding, guys love it. I do. Do you actually love it? Now that we are committed to 90 minutes or less, I don't dread it anymore. So that's wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

What do you think would uh how do you think you'll you'll react when we blow up? I don't think we're ever blowing up, but I I do think I do think it's possible that we could get more than 30 subscribers.

unknown 25:04

I do think that's possible.

SPEAKER_04 25:06

Did we get any comments this week?

unknown 25:08

No.

SPEAKER_01 25:09

Is there any raw mistake corners? I think Cannibal Cannibal the Musical just broke the algorithm.

SPEAKER_04 25:15

Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

It's just it's YouTube's upset. Why? I don't know. It's way too much dead body talk.

SPEAKER_04 25:20

You opened cold opened with dead body talk. Like the first four of them had to do it. Is that the one that's not the one where we said that he took all his clothes off to climb up into that dead animals to do surgery on the inside of that animal.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

Uh no, that was the episode. No, that might have been it. No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, that was it. Yeah, David the Gnome. Yeah, Candle the Musical and David the Gnome and Different Strokes. Uh I don't know why people don't watch this. I don't know. People are searching for that.

SPEAKER_04 25:51

Well, they're searching for one of those things.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

David the Gnome, Different Strokes mashup. Amateur married couple.

unknown 25:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 25:58

They're searching for one of those things. When they find it, they see what it's grouped with and they're like, this isn't for me. I don't think they're gonna be saying what I want to hear about David the Gnome. First thing they said, Claud was a self-righteous jerk.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Freaking Tom Bosley.

SPEAKER_04 26:16

All right. What's our topic for today, Big Baby Daddy?

SPEAKER_01 26:22

Surprised you didn't know that. Our topic today, Leslie, my dear, is books. Literature.

SPEAKER_04 26:33

That we've read.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

Literature. Literature. For your health. For your mind. So we're gonna we're gonna talk about top five is it top five or you wrote five books.

SPEAKER_04 26:45

I have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. I have nine, but two of them the four of them go together in one category. So I guess I have seven.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

So I'm kind of including three in one. I'll get to that. Uh but yeah, five top five fiction books. Of course, you pretty much just read fiction, right? Yep. I'm not like slamming you. No, it's fine. I don't slamming.

SPEAKER_04 27:10

I don't care. I don't care. It's fine. It's cool.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

It's fun.

SPEAKER_04 27:13

I read a few good um historical books.

SPEAKER_01 27:16

You got a little ladybug crawling on your hoodie there.

SPEAKER_04 27:20

Die, Lady Buzz. Okay. I'll talk about how I I uh wish that I had reread more books than I have.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

I was just thinking that. I was thinking as I was trying to remember all the books that I've reread or read listened to.

SPEAKER_04 27:35

Let's let's just keep it.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

Right, let's call it what it is. Yeah. I listen to everybody.

SPEAKER_04 27:39

I read mine with my book.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

I do occasionally read books if there are not audio versions, or I really, really want to read it, but again, I got I got a problem. But some narrators, if they got the the whisper, if they got a lot of mouth noises, I can't I can't listen to it. I just I just I really, really, really want to listen to Lonesome Dove, but the narrator's doing that, and I'm just like so I'm actually reading that. It's a Western. It's supposed to be like who wrote it. Ooh.

SPEAKER_04 28:08

Is it on your list?

SPEAKER_01 28:10

Uh oh no, because you haven't read it. I certainly haven't reread it.

SPEAKER_04 28:13

Do you um do you have um yours in order or you just mine are in no particular order?

SPEAKER_01 28:21

No particular order? Is a novel by Larry McMurdy. Okay. 1985. Okay. So, anyways, yeah, I listened to all of them. Whatever. Uh I I actually have read read a book twice. Uh Old Man in the Sea.

SPEAKER_04 28:35

Oh, uh I've read that more than once too.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

Pretty good book. Not bad. It's not on my list, though. Not bad. I might have read Mice and Men twice, too. I was all about reading books under 150 pages in high school, but anything over that?

SPEAKER_04 28:47

No way.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

Nope.

SPEAKER_04 28:48

What about font size? That matter?

SPEAKER_01 28:50

Doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

It could matter.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

It's not gonna be that small. It's just not gonna be that small.

SPEAKER_04 28:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

Hey, get real.

SPEAKER_04 28:59

You get real.

unknown 29:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 29:01

You get real real. Touch my microphone.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

So did I ever actually get the topic out? I know that took me about 10 minutes.

SPEAKER_04 29:07

We've read more than once is the topic.

SPEAKER_01 29:09

Five books we've read, five fiction books we've read more than once. And I don't have a whole lot of notes.

SPEAKER_04 29:15

And then you did also say if there are any that you have read once that you would like to read again, also make a list of those. And so I did that as well.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

Oh crap, did I say that?

SPEAKER_04 29:24

You sure did. I did not make that up.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

Oh dang it.

SPEAKER_04 29:27

You'll be able to riff on that.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

I'll riff on that, bro.

SPEAKER_04 29:30

Alright. You go first.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 29:33

Let's go each back and forth.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

You know what another thing I want is I want do you think you could pick one that you would recommend to me that you think I would like the most of them? But let's come, we'll come back to that.

SPEAKER_04 29:47

I don't know.

Magic 2.0 And Ender’s Game

SPEAKER_01 29:47

Okay. First one I'm gonna talk about is let's just get this one out of the way because I know you've read it. And that is Magic 2.0 Off to Be the Wizard.

SPEAKER_04 30:00

Oh, you've read that more than once.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

Yeah, I have. I read it, uh I was listening to it, rather. It just I'm gonna say Red. That's fine, you can say Red.

SPEAKER_04 30:08

You're the only one. Says more about you than it does about me.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

Yeah, it was by Scott Meyer in 2013, self-published.

SPEAKER_04 30:15

He might have been one of those, you said like Do I have to know that kind of data? Because I don't.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

It's okay.

SPEAKER_04 30:21

Well, you talking all half listening.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

I just looked it up. Well, you don't really have to listen because you've read this book. This is Alpha Be the Wizard. It's like I think there's six, I think there's six in the series. Doesn't matter. I've only read the first three. Uh but this one, this is the only one I've read twice. And it is about I'll just read the uh synopsis real quick. Martin Banks is a directionless programmer who stumbles onto the fact that reality is just a giant computer file and he can edit it. After his small-scale reality tweaks attract the attention of federal authorities, he does the only logical thing. Time travels to medieval England to pose as a wizard. What he finds there is a whole community of other programmers from the modern era who had the same kind of idea. Comedy ensues. Does it? It's pretty funny. It's not like super funny. Apparently, Scott Meyer was a stand-up comic at some point.

SPEAKER_04 31:20

I mean, I I knew in within moments of opening that book, or I did listen to it as well, that that you liked it. Because it did everything that you wanted Howl's Moving Castle to do that it didn't do.

SPEAKER_01 31:33

Yes. I would love if you took Hell's Moon Castle. I can't I can't remember the author of Hell's Moving Castle.

SPEAKER_04 31:39

Who um butts. But it'll come to me.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

Just like kind of like Madonna.

SPEAKER_04 31:43

It'll coming. It'll come to me. Diana Dwynne Jones.

SPEAKER_01 31:49

Oh, right. Like if you took Diana Wynne Jones and her her world building and in Whimsey, and you gave Scott Myers I don't know what you want to call it, uh just comedic hacking. I mean, it's kind of what it is. It's just like a lot of these books are actually very similar to this. In that they're a dude finds a it finds himself in a situation where he has a some sort of incredible advantage and uses it, and you get to see how he engineers everything. And I'm saying he because I don't believe I have any with a female protagonist. Sorry, everyone. Uh but engineers things and tests and basically always trying to find exploits in every situation. And I just that scratches it just rips right through my flesh.

SPEAKER_04 32:43

Yeah, I I I understand.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

As the old expression goes.

SPEAKER_04 32:47

As your mom's been.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

It just shreds me alive. It just skins my my your never mind.

SPEAKER_04 32:55

I can't believe it's a good one. Your skin said it's skin right off.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

But anyways, off to be the wizard. You liked it really.

SPEAKER_04 33:01

I did like it, yeah. I wasn't wild about it.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

Yeah, it's not. I I like it, I like It's really light. Yeah, very light. It Scott Myers a perfectly.

SPEAKER_04 33:12

That is your version of trash romance.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. Ooh, you know what I might want to re reread is The Perfect Run. That's another Is it like that? It's kind of like a time loop. Except instead of it's it'd be like if Ryan Reynolds Deadpool kind of irreverent, kind of semi-annoying, but ultraviolet and cool character uh it could could make checkpoints.

SPEAKER_04 33:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

And and every time he gets killed can go back to the checkpoints. So he's trying to make, quote, the perfect run. And it's a trilogy. I actually think you'd probably like it. You'd know pretty quickly if you if you didn't. It's really fun.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

It's cool. But that's uh I will probably reread that when we when we do this on the 200th episode when we do a top ten. Um so off to be the wizard. Anything else you want to say about that? No. Because if you want to hear more about Off to Be the Wizard, we did discuss it for probably a lot of time.

SPEAKER_04 34:10

But like good luck finding out what episode that was in.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

Uh I might find it next time. At some point, I'm going to make a big data sheet that has like everything we've ever talked about and and links to timestamps.

SPEAKER_04 34:24

Why?

SPEAKER_01 34:26

So people so our 30 subscribers can well once you hear once you hear the rest of my book choices, you're probably surprised that I'm just a huge dork that likes to see. I'm very obsessed with meta and like very obsessed with I love seeing data. I like to see objective uh demonstrations of otherwise subjective or abstract concepts.

SPEAKER_04 34:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:54

Alright.

SPEAKER_00 34:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 34:55

Let me write one thing down. Doobie dooby do. Um I just want to find okay, here we go. Alright, well, my first one that I have read and reread multiple times. Can you get can you guess it?

SPEAKER_01 35:09

Ender's game.

SPEAKER_04 35:10

It is Ender's Game. Yep. By Orson Scott Card. We've talked about it before. It's one have we? Oh, I think we've mentioned it.

SPEAKER_01 35:19

Oh, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_04 35:19

It's one bajillion awards. What is that called?

SPEAKER_01 35:23

Hugo.

SPEAKER_04 35:23

Hugo. That's um is there also like a nebula?

SPEAKER_01 35:26

Nebula, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:27

Um, it is incredible. It's one of the few books I've read where I didn't see the twist coming by Asimov Award. I N Isaac Asimov Award.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

Probably whatever.

SPEAKER_04 35:36

It's probably one em all. Um did you see The Twist Coming?

SPEAKER_00 35:42

No.

SPEAKER_04 35:42

Okay, I don't want to spoil it. If you haven't read it, I don't know what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

Yeah, don't spoil it. Um it's not. It's it's a galaxy.

SPEAKER_04 35:49

It's it's one of those books that for for the things that I've read and consumed in my lifetime, it has some of the most novel material that I had not read any in any other type of book up to that point.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_04 36:05

Like the kind of the dis it's a bit of a dystopian future.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

It's got a lot of the stuff that I like in it. Yeah. Where it's this kid because they Orson Scott Carr gets into ender strategies.

SPEAKER_04 36:18

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:19

And what makes what he's doing, but he makes it cool so special.

SPEAKER_04 36:22

And it's very much a part of the development of the city.

SPEAKER_01 36:25

Like when he finds the exploit uh in the I mean, that's basically what it did. Well, he changes the strategy, but he's exploiting the system. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:32

You love that.

SPEAKER_01 36:33

Oh, that's so great.

SPEAKER_04 36:35

And it's worth rereading.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

What was he doing?

SPEAKER_04 36:36

He like torpedoes in, he's like using the body as a Well, they were fixated on one plane being down. And he changes it so that any plane can they can any plane can be the down direction.

SPEAKER_01 36:51

Oh. South, not down.

SPEAKER_04 36:53

Uh down. So not south.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

A little flat land uh flat land callback there.

SPEAKER_04 36:59

So wherever they would enter the battle room, people like you would step into it every I'm and I'm sure I'm getting this wrong, so sorry in advance if you're an Enter Game perfectionist. Go find another party.

SPEAKER_01 37:11

First subscribe, then hate.

SPEAKER_04 37:12

Yeah, then be mad. You can write a mean comment. So whatever they would walk in and enter it, however wherever their floor were would be, if their feet would be, that would be their considered their floor. And they would operate as if they couldn't move around. But then he totally just decided that anything could be a floor, and it like flipped the whole strategy on.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

It's like the uh he's like the because they because they were in no gravity.

SPEAKER_04 37:35

They had no gravity.

SPEAKER_01 37:36

The character in uh the character in Oh crap. What the Orville. Or she could like well she can operate in four dimensions. They always just like it. Okay, I mean that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_04 37:50

Sure. What does that mean? And how? Anyways, I don't know what to do. Do you know what year that book was written?

SPEAKER_01 37:56

I'm gonna just throw a guess out there and say eighty.

SPEAKER_04 38:01

Eighty-five.

SPEAKER_01 38:01

Eighty-five. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:02

Alright, your turn. Um it's a science fiction book. Say the genre if you can.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

The genre. What would you say often be the wizard? That's science fiction.

SPEAKER_04 38:12

Yeah. Definitely.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

Are all these science fiction whatever.

SPEAKER_01 38:17

We'll find out.

SPEAKER_04 38:18

I'm gonna they're all kind of- I only have one that's not science fiction or fantasy. What a shock.

SPEAKER_01 38:23

Hmm.

SPEAKER_04 38:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:25

I'm gonna say let's go into Let's go into the Bobiverse.

SPEAKER_04 38:31

All right.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

Enter the Bobiverse. Bobiverse is currently five books. Excuse me.

SPEAKER_04 38:39

He's he's coughing everybody.

SPEAKER_01 38:40

I I really I you know what, next time?

SPEAKER_04 38:43

So a couple episodes ago, Rob was like, don't let me drink fizzy lifting drink again. So when he went out to get one, I was like, I thought you said you didn't want to drink that on the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 38:51

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_04 38:52

And he said, I'm gonna do it anyway. So he's doing it anyway, and now he's regretting it because he's got he's got burp, real life burp. Well, do you want me to talk about my name?

SPEAKER_01 39:00

Or I should just quit, I should just start burping in the microphone.

SPEAKER_04 39:03

You know what?

SPEAKER_01 39:03

I don't this one's kind of stuck.

SPEAKER_04 39:05

I don't want that. Do you want me to talk? Or do you want to do that? No, let me let me go. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

Bob of verse, here we go. We are Legion. We are Bob. Books one through three by Dennis E. Taylor. I believe this was an audible, is it's definitely an Audible exclusive. Like, I don't even I don't know. You can definitely read this. My mom read them.

SPEAKER_04 39:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

But I don't think you can uh I started trying to.

SPEAKER_04 39:30

I started listening to the first Baba verse, and I was just like You couldn't get into it.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

What why not?

SPEAKER_04 39:35

I don't remember. This one rewakes up and he's in the computer.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

Yes. Yeah. Yes. Let me just read the synopsis. It's spoiler-free. Bob Johansson. And by the way, we're gonna pretty much not spoil these.

SPEAKER_04 39:46

We're gonna try not to, if it matters.

SPEAKER_01 39:48

We talked a little bit about Ender's strategies, but that was whatever. Bob Johansson sells his software company, signs up for cryogenic preservation on a whim, and promptly gets hit by a car. He wakes up over a century later, not in a new body, but as an AI uploaded into a self-replicating space probe.

SPEAKER_04 40:09

You are such a dork. I know. This is the life you want.

SPEAKER_01 40:12

Yeah, honestly, it's sweet. That's what I love about this guy. Well, hang on. His mission find new homes for humanity. The catch is he can make copies of himself, and those copies develop their own personalities. The Bobiverse expands across space as the Bobs deal with alien threats, dying dying civilizations, rival probes, and the eternal question of what it means to be human when you're a computer that can copy itself.

SPEAKER_04 40:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

A von Neumann probe, if you will.

SPEAKER_04 40:45

Good job.

SPEAKER_01 40:46

I I love Bob Johansson because he is a he's a like they talk a lot about he's the protagonist again. But they talk about a lot about how he is a an introvert, like he's a loner.

SPEAKER_04 41:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:01

And a lot of people who were doing this, like what you you find all this out in like the first 15 minutes of the book. Like it happens very quickly. Not quite as quickly as well.

SPEAKER_04 41:08

Some people might say pages. It's okay, though.

SPEAKER_01 41:14

Caroline would hate all these. I'm trying to get Clark into audiobooks. I feel like he would like them, but whatever. So he, you know, he w he winds up in this he he winds up in this uh space research place where he is basically given very um mundane jobs and but he he's a computer programmer and he he likes being by himself, so he just spends crazy amounts of time just hacking everything, s making scripts for stuff. I mean, Dennis E. Taylor is and I do have to say all three names every time.

SPEAKER_04 41:55

E E.

SPEAKER_01 41:56

Just E. Oh, okay. Please.

SPEAKER_04 41:58

Yeah, authors deserve that.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:01

If you're their doctors, we should call them such.

SPEAKER_01 42:05

So if they're but if they're authors, we should make sure we say their middle initial if it's there. Correct. Gotcha.

unknown 42:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:12

What if they're ice cream doctors?

SPEAKER_01 42:15

Uh Bruce R. Shoecraft. Yeah.

unknown 42:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:18

That that stakes it. It's it's it holds. It holds. So Bruce R. R. Shoecraft. Why is that funny? Okay. It's George R. So he uh yeah, he just he hacks all these things. And he's he's he likes being by himself. I mean he talks a bit about like the the writing is is very good. Like it it it it gets into a lot of details. It's pretty funny. Tons of pop culture references. Maybe not quite as many as like Ready Player One, which I gotta I gotta thank you by the way, because that was the first book. Did you like launch you into that launched me into just consuming books? Books. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:55

It's a great book. I've not reread that.

SPEAKER_01 42:57

I haven't either. I might.

SPEAKER_04 42:58

You could vamp on that later. So vampy.

SPEAKER_01 43:01

Vampy. I like that word. Cute. So it it is just it's such a great. So the first three books are basically one book. Like he wrote them. He was originally gonna release it as one big book.

SPEAKER_04 43:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

But because so when you finish the first one, you're kind of like and it's not a bad ending, but it feels complete. Yeah, it's just it feels like it kind of ends in mid-season, you know?

SPEAKER_02 43:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

So the second one picks it right up. Third one is quite conclusive. The fourth one is like a side. I know we're not really talking about the the the but I I did reread this entire first three. I have not reread the fourth or the fifth. Fifth one just came out um last year, I think. It's pretty good. Fourth one, I didn't love it. I didn't hate it. It was just almost like a it really should have been more of a novella kind of.

SPEAKER_04 43:51

It was a wasn't enough to not meaty enough.

SPEAKER_01 43:55

It was f it was a lot of fun. Like I enjoyed it, but you know. The scope of the Bob of of books one through three and then and then five are big. Like, you know, the one of the galactic quadrants, you know, it's like Deep Space Nine quite level. They get they go way, way out there, different star systems and things. The the the fourth one mainly just takes place on one planet. And maybe well, they like take on the they they basically take on um the bodies of otters, like they make these really advanced like uh uh cyborg or android kind of systems that that they're like these otter people. That's the closest like an analog to what they are. I don't know why I'm talking about this one because it's my least favorite of the series and not on my list. But it's it, I mean it's worth reading if you you know. Anyways, Bobiverse is great, it's just it does all the things I want it to do. The writing's great. The the the characters are like they're it's funny because they're all I mean, this is sort of part of the story, but they're all they're all just different enough.

SPEAKER_04 45:03

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 45:03

They're all the same guy, but there's always this little split every time.

SPEAKER_04 45:07

I like that.

SPEAKER_01 45:07

So, but by the time you get to like the fifth one, there's thousands and thousands of them. Where they're like forming their own follow cults and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 45:16

Does it still follow like the original copy?

SPEAKER_01 45:21

What do you mean follow?

SPEAKER_04 45:22

Like the very first Bob that woke up before he made his started making copies of himself. It's a storyline stake sticking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:29

Um, no, that's a great question. It it doesn't. It does. So the first one definitely.

SPEAKER_04 45:35

I feel like I just got like a gold star for asking you a question.

SPEAKER_01 45:37

You did such a good job just now.

SPEAKER_04 45:39

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 45:41

Come over here. I want to give you a French kiss.

SPEAKER_04 45:43

Oh. On camera? Is it because the audience can see my legs?

SPEAKER_01 45:47

No, it's because I want to French kiss you.

SPEAKER_04 45:49

Oh, okay. Continue. Can I say my book now?

SPEAKER_01 45:52

It's because I wanted to quote Tim and Eric.

SPEAKER_04 45:54

Can I say my book now?

SPEAKER_01 45:55

Uh no, I just want to answer your question that you asked.

SPEAKER_04 45:57

You just said no, not really.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

Well, yeah, okay. No more. So they're all these little subplots, but they're all the different bobs. And you know, some of their names are like Homer and they interact with each other. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I figured.

SPEAKER_04 46:09

I figured.

SPEAKER_01 46:10

It's going to see what you would say if I asked. I will probably reread it a third time. I love, I absolutely love this series. It may be my favorite all time. It just not the best written book of all time, but just it's just it's just for me. It's perfect for me. I love it.

SPEAKER_04 46:26

I bet he has 30 subscribers. I bet he has. I haven't read any of his other stuff.

SPEAKER_01 46:31

Uh he's got like a book called Singularity or something. Looks pretty cool.

SPEAKER_04 46:35

All right. My turn?

SPEAKER_01 46:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 46:36

Okay. This is what I came here for, guys. Not to listen to Rob, but to tell you my books. The next two are not, they're not in a series, but they're by the same author, and I don't know which one I read more. Um, but they are the only realistic fiction making an appearance on my list today. One of them is Hatchet, and the other one is by the same author, and it's called The Cook Camp. Did you ever read that one?

SPEAKER_01 46:58

Yeah, doesn't it have a sex scene in it?

SPEAKER_04 47:00

It does. Yes. Well, it's like a vague. It's like from the perspective of a kid who doesn't quite know what it's like. You like hear something going on in the other room. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:08

That's like, I think the only page I read in it. Like I was in like six fifth or sixth.

SPEAKER_04 47:12

Well, that was I won that book from my teacher.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

So I was like, whoa, is that what I think?

SPEAKER_04 47:17

I won the reading, whatever the contest, who would read the most books or whatever. I won that, and the prize was another book.

SPEAKER_01 47:24

The prize was a Caldecott medal.

SPEAKER_04 47:25

It was. It's a Caldecott Award.

SPEAKER_01 47:27

Caldecott Award.

SPEAKER_04 47:28

Um and I got the cook camp. And I loved both of those books. I probably read each one of them four or five times.

SPEAKER_01 47:35

And so are sorry, is this not I'm not trying to be a stickler, but I'm is this? I couldn't decide.

SPEAKER_04 47:42

I'm I'm putting them in one in one grouping.

SPEAKER_01 47:44

But not the river.

SPEAKER_04 47:45

No, I've I don't know that I've ever even read The River.

SPEAKER_01 47:47

Oh, well, we should read The River for this pod.

SPEAKER_04 47:49

Oh my gosh, the sequel to the hat to Hatchet.

SPEAKER_01 47:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 47:52

So Hatchet is about a boy, in case you don't know, also in case you've lived under a rock. Or maybe you're just younger than us and you weren't raised on 80s and 90s fiction, as you're going to find out that all of my books came from the eighties and nineties.

SPEAKER_01 48:05

Oddly enough, mine did not.

SPEAKER_04 48:06

I think it's a reflection of the fact that I used to read a lot more and you didn't read until you were an adult. So that's why. And also my dad read a lot and he kept a lot of these just books in the house. So he read a lot of 70s and 80s sci-fi fantasy. Um but yeah, Hatchet is about a boy who's on flying in a private plane thro across the wilderness of Canada from one parent to another. The plane goes down, he has to survive. It's very good. And then the cook came.

SPEAKER_01 48:33

Doesn't the uh pilot fart in that?

SPEAKER_04 48:35

Well, yeah, but he's but he's like having a heart attack. And that's part of it. That's his symptoms. You get like in he feels like indigestion.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

It's one of the things I remember.

SPEAKER_04 48:45

Gary Paulson was in it for the real, real, real.

SPEAKER_01 48:48

What was that?

SPEAKER_04 48:49

That was this.

SPEAKER_01 48:50

Yeah, but that did something.

SPEAKER_04 48:54

Uh-oh, I don't know. Do you want to check it?

SPEAKER_01 48:57

I think what did something?

SPEAKER_04 48:58

The computer?

SPEAKER_01 49:00

Well, I I thought I heard a a a noise. Like a like a window step noise. Let me just make sure that.

SPEAKER_04 49:06

Okay. Hey, hey, talk about uh Okay, well, I'm gonna talk about the Cook Camp. The Cook Camp was another I'm gonna talk about the Cook Camp. Everything's fine.

SPEAKER_01 49:14

We're talking about the pilot farting. I thought you were talking about the colours.

SPEAKER_04 49:16

Well, I was saying Gary Polson really likes to put some realistic scenes in his in his books, given the sex scene from Cook Camp and the fart from the fart scene hatchet.

SPEAKER_01 49:24

The legendary fart. Gary Colson. Gary Polson just loves farts.

SPEAKER_04 49:28

P-A-U-L-S- something N.

SPEAKER_01 49:31

I actually read an interview with I think maybe James leapt in.

SPEAKER_04 49:36

He tried to put the fart in the sex scene and he was like, no, you're gonna and so that's why you ended up writing two books. You have plenty of space between one and the other. Anyway, the cook camp is about I think it's about logging. Like they like, right? They follow people who just people who are professional tree fellers.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

But they are. We're the tree fellers.

SPEAKER_04 50:02

And this little boy has to go live with his grandma, and she is the cook for the men, so she travels with the men and makes them food. And so like they're it's a pretty rugged, transient lifestyle, and it's very it has similar flavor to the cook camp for sure or to the hatchet for sure. It's not survival, but it has feels uh like it cuts. Yes. So anyway, those were mine. I got uh Hatchet's great.

SPEAKER_01 50:26

I love Hatchet.

SPEAKER_04 50:26

I you know, I have a patient that does not have has never read Hatchet, and I I thought we had a copy of it, and I was gonna take it to him, and I Caroline says we don't. So now I might just buy one and just be like, oh, here you go. And he'll be like, this is brand new, and I'll say, just give it back when you're done. Old man.

SPEAKER_01 50:42

Perfect.

SPEAKER_04 50:43

Your time is lamberturned. He doesn't actually have cancer.

SPEAKER_01 50:46

Is it uh do I keep hearing sounds cut out? Give that give that thing a hang on a second.

SPEAKER_04 50:51

Gosh, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 50:52

Oh you're alright. It just sounded like it came undone. Talk.

SPEAKER_04 50:56

Okay, talking.

SPEAKER_01 50:57

I think we're good.

SPEAKER_04 50:57

Tick tock.

SPEAKER_01 50:58

Sorry, everyone. We're gonna leave that in.

SPEAKER_04 50:59

And so those were written. Hatchet was written in 1987, the cook camp followed in 1991. When do you think the river was written? Uh between those two? You know why I think I didn't read the river?

SPEAKER_01 51:12

I'm gonna say 1989.

SPEAKER_04 51:14

You know why I think I didn't read it? Because the idea that that he would be on his own again just seemed kind of preposterous.

SPEAKER_01 51:20

Like taken to?

SPEAKER_04 51:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

Wasn't there a third one? So I think he goes it you know what, I'm not gonna talk about the river because we haven't read it. Well, let's let's read it.

SPEAKER_04 51:29

Okay. Alright, next. Your turn.

SPEAKER_01 51:32

Uh give me a second. The river was 1991.

SPEAKER_04 51:37

You were right. Oh, you said 89.

SPEAKER_01 51:39

I think I said 89.

SPEAKER_04 51:39

Oh, he wrote two books in one year. What a study.

SPEAKER_01 51:41

I'd say I was right, but this is recorded, so can't get away with it.

SPEAKER_04 51:46

Your turn.

Dungeon Crawler Carl And Audiobook Greats

SPEAKER_01 51:47

Two books in one year. What a stud, yeah. No doubt. Gary Pulson. Heck of a guy. Let's say what do we want next? Let's put old old uh old DCC. Little Dungeon Crawler Carl.

SPEAKER_04 52:02

Gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:03

That book is exploding.

SPEAKER_04 52:05

Is it? Oh. Do you want to be like, already read it all a couple times, guys?

SPEAKER_01 52:10

I mean, it's such a stupid thing. Like, I I I don't I hate being that guy. And honestly, I I I no, I'm I'm super happy. I'm I'm not that guy for this, but there was a time where I'd say like 15 years ago, 20 years ago, I would have been like, oh, I was one of the first ones to read it. I was one of the first million to read it.

SPEAKER_04 52:26

My sister doesn't act like that, but she is always one of the first people to know about anything. Books, movies, I don't know. Whatever the pulse is, she's always like just ahead of everyone else find finding it out.

SPEAKER_01 52:39

Well, she's probably really interested in them, so she's But I'm just I'm talking everything.

SPEAKER_04 52:45

Probably this is a cool podcast with our married sister. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 52:51

Tell us a little bit about two married sisters.

SPEAKER_04 52:52

Dungeon Crawler called R L.

SPEAKER_01 52:54

Dungeon Crawler. Glad you asked. Why do you why do you ask about that?

SPEAKER_04 52:58

Well, it's one of those books you've read a few times. Is it on your list?

SPEAKER_01 53:02

It is. It's on my list. It is by Matt Deniman. Dinnerman.

SPEAKER_04 53:07

He's a bajillionaire for his sake.

SPEAKER_01 53:09

October 2020 is when it came out. Oh. He's been pumping them out. Wait, is that right?

SPEAKER_04 53:14

That seems really recent.

SPEAKER_01 53:16

He yeah, I mean, that's what I have here.

SPEAKER_04 53:20

COVID? I thought it came out in the teens.

SPEAKER_01 53:24

Let me see here.

SPEAKER_04 53:25

But it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:25

Yeah, I think that's what it is.

SPEAKER_04 53:27

Let me uh dungeon Is that the video game one?

SPEAKER_01 53:35

Yeah. Uh no. Yeah, well, kind of. 2020, yeah. It was October 2020. Wow. So what is read you what it's about, okay?

SPEAKER_04 53:45

Yeah, please do.

SPEAKER_01 53:46

Carl, a Coast Guard vet, is outside in his boxers trying to like like a veterinarian? Well, what I was about to say would make it sound like a veterinarian.

SPEAKER_04 53:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:56

Glad you asked.

SPEAKER_04 53:57

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 53:58

Uh vet, like a veteran.

SPEAKER_04 54:00

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 54:01

Coast Guard. Do you think does this Coast Guard have veterinarians?

SPEAKER_04 54:05

I mean, they deal with a lot of animals, I bet.

SPEAKER_01 54:07

Are there armed forces veterinarians?

SPEAKER_04 54:09

There probably are. Sharkbite?

SPEAKER_01 54:11

Yeah, why not? Oh, for the Coast Guard?

SPEAKER_04 54:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:14

Yeah. Shark.

SPEAKER_04 54:17

You need a veteran treaty shark bite.

SPEAKER_01 54:22

Awesome. All right. So Carl is a Coast Guard vet. This cable. Heavenly days.

SPEAKER_04 54:30

Just get through it. Let's just get through it.

SPEAKER_01 54:31

Carl is a Coast Guard. Hey.

SPEAKER_04 54:33

That's our current mantra right now.

SPEAKER_01 54:35

Carl is a Coast Guard vet. Carl is a Coast Guard vet. Carl is a Coast Guard vet. I want that on a t-shirt. Is it Guard? Vet?

SPEAKER_04 54:44

Vent.

SPEAKER_01 54:45

Vent. Carl is a Coast Guard vent. Carl. Coast Guard vent. Is outside in his boxes trying to coax his ex-girlfriend's cout.

SPEAKER_04 54:59

Cat. Cat. Cat, not cout.

SPEAKER_01 55:02

Cat out. B is his ex-girlfriend's.

SPEAKER_04 55:04

He doesn't have a lot of time. He's going to start combining words. It's up to you to figure out what he's talking about.

SPEAKER_01 55:09

Try to keep up. His ex-girlfriend's cat. Out of a tree, when an alien corporation simultaneously destroys every human-made structure on Earth and transforms it into an 18-level dungeon for an intergalactic reality TV show. Carl and Princess Donut, the cat, descend into the dungeon. Survival is optional. Entertainment is mandatory. Dark, funny, action-packed, and deeply weird.

SPEAKER_04 55:37

I would agree with that. I made it through what the first hour to two hours of listening to that. And I was like, I'm done. I didn't like it. That's not the one that he What's the one where he travels? Never mind. Just continue talking about this. Because I can't even think of enough to even go further than that.

SPEAKER_01 55:57

I just I just love this book. It's it's it's an RPG, basically. Yeah, that's what I meant by visited video game. Quite literally a literary RPG. I would say it's. I mean, of course, everybody has a different opinion. Some people, of course, hate this book, but whatever. Generally, it's considered like S-tier lit RPG, like best in class. Like this and like, I don't know what else, maybe like the Cradle series, which actually I haven't read yet.

SPEAKER_04 56:22

What's that one that we read that we liked? About the girl, I think.

SPEAKER_01 56:28

Um Bellhouse Murders?

SPEAKER_04 56:30

No, no, that wasn't it. No, I've read that one didn't make my list, but I have read that one several times.

SPEAKER_01 56:34

The book about the girl took it.

SPEAKER_04 56:36

It was like an RPG kind of, and like it was like obsessed with stats.

SPEAKER_01 56:38

Oh, Iron Prince.

SPEAKER_04 56:39

Yeah, Iron Prince.

SPEAKER_01 56:40

Yeah, Iron Prince is great, and the sequel's great too.

SPEAKER_04 56:43

Okay. Anyway, sorry, back to DG.

SPEAKER_01 56:45

It wasn't really about a girl necessarily, although there are plenty of girls in it who are main characters. That's a great book. That is another one. Like I would say Iron Prince and Dungeon Crawler Crawler Carl are two of the best of the genre.

SPEAKER_04 57:01

That's why I said, is it like that one?

SPEAKER_01 57:03

Yeah, this is it's not really like it, but it's like it in terms of quality. Yeah, well written. It's this is it's very funny. It's also it is it's pretty dark. Like the later well, just throughout the whole thing, it's pretty dark. A lot of dark themes. A lot of like loss and heartache and all sorts of stuff. Uh, you know, good good stuff like that.

SPEAKER_04 57:25

Like humanity.

SPEAKER_01 57:26

Humanity is the humanity part. Carl's just great, and the Jeff Hayes is great. Jeff Hayes is the uh is the the narrator. Which I didn't did. I give the narrator credit for the last book we talked about?

SPEAKER_04 57:41

Um are you talking about the real people that were reading?

SPEAKER_01 57:44

Luke Daniels was off to be the wizard, and Ray Porter was Baba Verse. Ray Ray Porter. Both those guys are great. Like the the narrator, the narrator has to be doesn't have to be good, but they gotta be. It really helps. And when they're great, it's it's really good. Yeah. So Luke Daniels was was very fine. He was he was great, but Ray Porter is like on another level. He's top top tier. So is Jeff Hayes for different reasons. Jeff Hayes is more like he's got all sorts of different characters. I know like every narrator has different characters, but these are this is like an alien world kind of. And he's just he's so good. Like the women that he portrays sound like like I had to I had to check and see if it was another.

SPEAKER_04 58:33

Did you make yourself stop and restart just to like because you get so into it that I feel like your brain supplies it adds to what the male narrator is doing to like make it sound more like a woman, and so like if you stop and restart, then you like try to listen to hear the male.

SPEAKER_01 58:47

I know what you're saying. I I just thought of a uh I'm trying to think of a comparison to that, but I I know what you're yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:53

And you just like get really wrapped up in it.

SPEAKER_01 58:55

They change his voice. They change his voice in the I thought I think I think you said you didn't like his voice. Somebody said they didn't like his voice. Uh Carl's voice. They actually changed it in the later in the in the later books, and they actually, and I think there's seven of them out now, and all of them have just gotten better and better. They they they just continue, they're like Red Rising, they just keep getting awesome or staying awesome and getting awesomer.

SPEAKER_04 59:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:22

But this is an RPG. I mean, if you like RPGs and you just like crazy zany fun and battle royale style, Hunger Games style, into the world, aliens crassness. I mean, this is the humor's pretty, pretty rough. I mean, it's hilarious.

SPEAKER_04 59:45

I mean, you're making it the way you're describing it, makes it sound sort of like a a more crass version of like a Guardians of the Galaxy, like Yeah, that's fair.

SPEAKER_01 59:55

That's a fair comparison. Yeah, it it it is.

SPEAKER_04 59:57

It's less Disney fied.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:00

Oh yeah, very much. It's very it's pretty R-rated. Um But I mean it's it's very well done. It's just a great great series. I highly, highly recommend it. And seven, yeah, seven books so far.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:15

All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:16

Man, he has pumped them out. He's he put out seven of these suckers in six years.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:20

Six years. Five years, probably.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:21

That is wild. He's done with I think he's done with the eighth, but it's not out on audio yet.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:27

On listener yet.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:28

I'm waiting. I'm gonna I'm gonna kill that one as soon as it hits hits Audible. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:33

Do you want do you care what I say?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:38

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:38

Because I have one that's like a super low-hanging fruit, but I have to say it. I'm gonna say it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:44

The a book?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:45

Yeah. Well, the Harry Potter series I have read several times. All the way through three times. But I don't think I've read the last one three times. I think I've just read it twice.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:54

Say say all that again.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:55

The entire Harry Potter series I've read three times.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:57

You've read the entire series three times.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:59

Except for the last book, I've only read that twice.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:02

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:04

But the very best one that I I've read the first one way more than three times. I read it a million times. I loved it so much when it first came out. I probably read it ten times. So good. And I'd have a lot of me rereading books was because we didn't have cable. And I just didn't have, you know, there was no devices or anything like that. So I was truly like picking up a book and just like, well, I read this last night, I guess I'll read it again tonight. Like just rereading stuff. And my dad used to reread the heck out of stuff. Anyway, the first one I've reread about. And my but my very favorite one that I've truly chose to read more than once because I like the story, it's The Prisoner of Azgaban. And that's the one where he meets Sirius Black. So if you're familiar with the Harry Potter series, that's played by Gary Oldman. Old Man, I think he likes it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:54

I think it's Gore.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:56

Gary, old man. He's French. Um, but yeah, that's my favorite storyline.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:03

That's a great uh wait, did I which one is that? Is that five?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:07

No, it's three.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:08

That's three. Okay, I did read that.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:11

Good job.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:11

Well, I listened to it.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:12

Yeah, that's fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:13

But I think I made it through Goblet of Fire.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:15

And they were great. But I was just like, I don't know why I didn't finish them. I think honestly, I hate to say it, but I think it's because you were mad that they weren't getting Voldemort, I think. No, uh maybe. I think it's because I had just seen the movies. And I think maybe honestly, maybe Dungeon Crawler Carl came out. I was like, ooh, I gotta I gotta listen to this, just never kept back into it.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:36

So it's a good one. It's a good story. It's a great story. It doesn't really necessarily I guess it does kind of stand alone because some stuff happens and then some stuff wraps up. And I think that's the Time Turner one too, right? Hermione has a time device.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:52

So that's an attire like it it seems like it has really good subplots happening. That's a great and then if you're like, you know, into the character side, like then Harry Potter finally has someone on his side by the third book. You know, he's finally got a person, like an adult that cares about him that's not just a teacher or somebody else's parent. So yeah, and that really hooks you in for later.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:16

In serious, you're saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:17

Yes, because that's his um godfather.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:19

Yeah, well, it's kind of just spoiled, kind of just spoiled it a little bit, but hey, you know, if you don't know that.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:26

Sorry, guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:27

Because doesn't it open up if he's trying to kill him? Like he thinks like that's what we're supposed to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:31

Because he's in Azkaban, he escapes from Ascaban.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:33

That is a great that is quite a quite a good book. And would you say that's when I'm sure Rowling was am I saying her name, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:41

I've always said Rowling. Rawling? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:43

Rowling.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:44

And she's a bear.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:46

I mean, the first book was pretty much a runaway hit, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:49

Okay. So that first book would you say the third one is when she really sort of became like a great writer? Like didn't didn't she kind of develop didn't her writing get better and better?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:57

Well, I think she wrote um I always heard she she wrote to close to the age of reading that Harry Potter was. But I don't know if that's just lore.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:09

So like, you know, it's definitely like the book definitely gets gets dark through it toward the end.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:16

I mean Yeah, it's like you said when we were watching the movies, you're like, I forgot that the fun factor of Harry Potter really plummets as the storyline goes on.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:25

I love forgetting.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:27

But she wrote She published Harry Potter. It was originally in in Britain, it's called the Philosopher's Stone. But we called it the Sorcerer's Stone over here because the translation was better for American English.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:38

Yeah, we don't know if it was philosophical Philosopher's.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:42

The bread the breadstone? Yeah, good. Um that one came out, was published in 1998. But then the third one, Prisoner of Ascoban, was published in 99. So she must have had She's a regular gin deniman. She must have had them done though. I think she had prison I think she had the sorcerer stone done for like ten years before she got it into somebody's hands. I don't I'm totally speculating, but I think that's I do think there's something to that. Because she was like homeless. When she wrote it, she was like homeless and like wrote it on a napkin.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:15

Huge freaking napkin. What restaurant?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:17

So it probably wasn't that she wrote three books in in a year and a half. It was probably that she already had that one done, and probably more like she wrote two books in two years.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:26

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:28

But anyway, if you're gonna reread one of them, that would be the one. I also think Goblet of Fire is worth a reread. That's the one I don't care as much about the rest of them.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:35

It's the one with the shark boy.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:37

Yeah, that's like a blip on a page.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:39

Would you say like did was Shark Boy and Lava Girl? Was that based on a book?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:42

It was based on that. Was that based on the book? Goblet of Fire. All right, your turn.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:48

Okay. You know, let's go with our boy. Uh no, we'll save the best for last.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:57

Oh, okay. I have three left.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:01

You do? I have two left. Oh, I started. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:05

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:06

Well, you guys didn't know you're gonna learn a little bit of math.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:08

You have two left, including the one you're about to say.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:11

Yeah. So remember, I had more. I have one extra.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:14

Right. You can keep going if you want.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:15

No, go ahead.

Time Loops With Harry August

SPEAKER_01 1:06:16

Okay. This is the one I would recommend to you. This one I think you would like.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:21

This is a bit more of a. It's called The First 15 Lives of Harry August.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:26

Yeah, we've talked about that before.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:27

This one kind of stands out from the other ones. The other ones are I hate to say it, but just like nerdy boy stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:35

Yeah. This one. That's like watching G.I. Joe. I mean like when does the Barbie show?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:38

Like, I I definitely have a I definitely have a thing. Um although the last one I'm gonna say is Harry August. Yes. First 15 lives of Harry August. It's it's I'd say like the least funny one. Less I don't think there's a single fart joke in the whole thing. Not much.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:56

Who could that be?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:56

Yeah, unlike Gary Paulson who basically based his career on it.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:00

He launched his hair.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:02

If you just do it again. I may kind of sit funny. So first 15 lines of Harry August. Shall I read you the plot?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:13

Please.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:14

Have you been reading the plots?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:16

No. No. I've been like saying them.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:19

Yeah. You haven't been reading them though.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:21

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:21

I've been listening. I've been listening to them. That's what I do. Okay, Harry August keeps dying and being reborn. Same time, same place, same life, retaining all memories from every previous existence. He's one of a rare group called the Kala Chakra. Everything is business as usual across his many lives until on his deathbed during his eleventh life, a child delivers an alarming message. The world is ending. In each cycle, it ends sooner. Harry has to figure out why and whether he can stop it.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:56

I want to read that.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:57

It's really awesome.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:58

I want to hold that one in my hands, though. Is the narrator great too?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:03

The narrator is good.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:05

I will go to my library.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:06

Peter Kenney is the narrator on that one. It's uh 12 hours and 25 minutes. I know I haven't been reading how long these things are. Just look them up. 400 pages, but it is. Let's see, it won the John W. Campbell Memorial Award. That's a long freaking award. It's a big, big trophy. Almost the size of J.K. Rowling's napkin.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:26

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:30

Best Science Fiction novel. Arthur C. Clark Award. Yeah, it is. So if you like Time Loops, if you like Russian doll, if you like Groundhog Day, Edge of Tomorrow.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:42

If you like the idea of Groundhog Day, enough to talk about it as if you've seen it.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:49

You know what I was thinking? Let me come back to this. I'm going to completely shift. I was thinking the other day, did you ever read the this? I did not reread this. I don't know why I'm come bringing it up, but it's a Michael Crichton book where he goes back to medieval times. It's like a crack team of folks. One of them is like a hardcore. Did you like that one?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:08

I don't think I finished it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:09

That one was cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:10

I was listening to it. I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:11

Did you ever read Connecticut Yankee and King Earth's?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:13

Does somebody get like killed like right off the bat in that when they get there as soon as they get back to medieval times?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:19

Yeah, or something happens where yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:21

Like they they are like in the middle of something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:25

He doesn't end up going with them or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:27

Or I I don't, you know, I don't remember.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:28

I do know what you're talking about, but that's a great book.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:30

But I don't know why that pops in my head.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:32

But I was thinking of It's like a big leg day for me here on this YouTube video.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:36

Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's Court and and uh freaking Magic 2.0. The they those in the same kind of feel too. I love that concept. I love when if somebody goes back in time or there's another, oh, there's this other series. I think it's called the Crucible series. Okay. I I'm I'm gonna reread that at some point. This guy goes to another planet that's almost exactly like like I want to say like 17th, 18th century Earth. Like like human, like everything's almost exactly the same. Uh and he's a he's he's a useful he's a very handy person, and he can actually invent things and he's a scientist and and he creates a b new industries and kind of el get elevates himself through society.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:28

It's like what book is this?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:29

I gosh, I I don't know why am I bringing these up. I don't know. Get back to Harry August. Harry August.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:34

Because we've been talking for over an hour.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:36

Okay. Harry August. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:37

And we still gotta talk about our song.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:39

Okay, Harry August is And I still have three more books. It's just a great book. If you like time loops, and because that's that's what this is the time loop, this is a long game time loop. Cool. I won't get into it anymore. It's it's just it's more serious.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:53

I mean, you're reading a synopsis, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:56

It's more like uh recursion. It's like a slower paced. It's like if recursion was written like a classic.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:05

I have recursion on my book to read again.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:08

That's a great one.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:09

But what was the other one that guy wrote?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:11

Grey Matter.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:12

Yeah, I like that one better. I would rather reread that one again. I couldn't remember the name of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:15

Oh yeah, I love Grey Matter, but um Anyway. Yeah. Uh yeah, Harry August is great. I think you should I think you should read it. I think you'd like it.

Jurassic Park And Buying A Kingdom

SPEAKER_04 1:11:24

Alright. Um I'll I'll say two at once because the first one is Jurassic Park. I read Have you ever read it?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:33

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:33

I would say the movie follows it fairly closely.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:36

That's that's really really quite something because that was like a two hours versus a Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:43

But they there's a whole bunch of like science. Like Michael Crichton books have a bunch of science.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:49

Very scientific.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:51

Very, very scientific.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:52

Did he do Outbreak?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:55

Did you ever read um Thirteenth? Not Thirteenth Warrior. Thirteenth Warriors is a movie based on It's not the Dead Eaters, it's like the Eaters of the Dead, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:05

It doesn't sound familiar.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:07

Michael Crichton book. Michael Crichton book that was based very, very closely to a uh Arabic writer, like travel guy traveling with the Vikings or some sort of Scandinavian warriors.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:21

Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:22

And but they run into a tribe of Neanderthals. Well, they're probably Neanderthals.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:27

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:28

But it's like it's it's it's quote nonfiction. Yeah. Like it's this guy's actual journal, and Crichton just tweaks it a little bit to make it kind of flow better.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:40

It's really cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:41

Oh we'll we'll have to figure out what that is.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:43

Yeah. Anyways, that was the one I was just gonna say.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:46

That but then the one I was gonna say uh for the for my real turn is Magic Kingdom for Sale Sold by Terry Brooks.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:56

Why do I know that?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:57

I mean I might have tried to get you to read it. I didn't read it. It's from 1986, but I didn't read it till um we lived in Pickerington.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:05

Huh.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:05

And I had it, I read it a few times.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:08

Maybe that's why I've never just seen it around the house.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:10

It's very good. It's about a person who sees an ad for like literally that, and they buy it, and then they like get you know, it's like there's like a secret little dimension of a magic kingdom, and then they like have to like it's theirs now.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:22

They're like the king of it, and they have to take care of it, and and it's kind of a light-hearted fantasy kind of sort of like uh uh Sandman.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:31

And it has a little bit of romance in it. No. No, is it like light is it'd be like if you were like, I want to buy some land and you went and bought it, and then when you got there you couldn't figure out how to access your land, but then you like tripped some switch, and then now all of a sudden you could see the kingdom that you bought.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:48

Hmm. I mean it sounds pretty cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:50

It's lighthearted, it's not very good.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:52

Is it like Hell's Moving Castle where they don't really do anything that cool, but it's a really cool world?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:57

No, I think it's a bit more than that. I took just so you know I had that on my list and I deleted that. Why? Because we've never already talked about it before.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:05

It is a great book. I totally see the appeal. The the we talked about it. There's an episode on it.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:10

But yeah, so Magic Kingdom for Sale Sold. It's by Terry Brooks. Okay. He wrote a lot of um fantasy. I think he wrote The Elves of Shannara. Don't crucify me in the comments, science fiction people.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:21

Big Shannara heads out there. There are.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:23

The man that I was saying hadn't Red Hatchet. He and my dad probably had the same, every one of the same books. I was asking him, have you ever heard of Ann McCaffrey? She used to write these dragon books. My dad had all of her books, and I asked my patient about them. He's like, Oh yeah, right. And he started listing them all off.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:39

Who's the guy? Uh your dad has a bunch of Clive Clyde or Clyde.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:42

Clive Koosler.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:43

Clive Koosler books.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:45

Are those Westerns?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:46

Are those like more adventure books? Like I saw there's like a deep sea voice. Yeah, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:49

Clive Koosler's like a He's the character of I don't know what what his title is, but Oh, he's the character. Oh no, no, no. I'm sorry. Clive Koosler's the author. Okay, yeah. But the it they're all about the same person.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:02

Like uh Indiana Jones, James Bond, sort of like an impossible figure who's done everything, but yeah. But no one cares because they're awesome.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:08

But I would recommend that one. That's a fun one. If you've if you'd like to if you'd like to enter the world of fantasy and you've never been a fantasy person, you should try Magic Kingdom for sale because it goes back and forth to the real world.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:18

Just in case you start to panic.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:20

Yeah, if you're worried.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:21

Like, wait a minute.

Hard Luck Hank And Fairy Tale Romance

SPEAKER_04 1:15:22

Wait a minute. Don't worry, the next chapter takes place in a Walmart. All right. Your last one?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:28

My last one. I'm gonna go with Hard luck, Hank. Screw the galaxy.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:33

I could have predicted every single one of yours. That's the one I think I did not, I really did not like that one. That's the one I was trying to think of earlier where he travels and has like he's like in space bays and yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:48

Yes. Uh spoiler free synopsis. Hank is a mutant thug living on Bellvale, the most remote and criminal infested space station in the galaxy. His superpower, he can take a bullet to the face and keep on talking, which makes him the ideal gang negotiator. Life is manageable until a mysterious woman shows up with an unusual job offer, drawing Hank and the whole station into a galactic attention they really don't want. Think Patrick Warburton as a burned-out space goon.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:22

That is a great description, that last sentence there.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:24

Well, you know, Patrick Warburton was actually on uh did did some voice work for the last Dungeon Crawler Carl book because everybody thought that he sounded like Patrick Warburton, so Patrick Warburton ends up playing his dad.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:38

Oh, that's so cute, Patrick. What a good boy.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:40

Yeah, there's a little putty or boy putty or cronk or whatever. I yeah, this is by so they're narrated by Leah Moen. Leah Moen is is I I he does a great job with these books.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:51

There are his name is Leah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:52

Liam.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:53

Oh, Liam.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:54

There are 11 of them. I love them. I've I've listened to all of them. I've I think this is other than Harry. I like Harry, but I have books with Harries. Apparently. Harry uh Dresden. You know, the Dresden series. I've listened to. I think that might be the most I've listened to of like as far as the number in the series. But this is probably second. It's not like Stephen Campbell. I I don't even know. I hope he is. I hope he's doing well, but I don't even know if he's like a full-time author. Like, this is a pretty low-key. I don't know how I found it. I just love it. It's just my kind of humor. It's super it's crude, but it's like it's like it's just like it's very hard sci-fi, but it's also very silly.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:42

And it's almost like maybe not as crazy as Hitchhiker's Guide, but that would be kind of what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:49

That is hard to read.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:50

Yeah, it that's a lot. Yeah, I I liked it, but this is like a very toned-down hitchhiker's guide. If you like Hitchhiker's Guide, you like You're gonna love Hot. You like X-Men or any kind of crime noir or any sort of just it's just it's very it's just great. I love I love it. They get better like that. I've only listened to the I I had intentions of re-listening to the whole series. Some of them are I I would actually consider to be pretty great. I can't even remember the names of them. There's he goes on all sorts of adventures and things get pretty insane, and he's just hilarious. Just his interactions with some just some people. I can't they're just there are times where I've just been crying, laughing. Like it's very it's it it's not like the whole book is hilarious, but there's just certain scenes that just absolutely they just really get you. They really get me.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:46

Good.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:46

Hank's great. I love love hard luck. Look, Hank, thank you, Stephen Campbell. I hope that you are living off of these books.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:56

Same. Maybe they'll get a little boost up once the all our subscribers.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:59

Maybe I'll send this near this. Maybe Stephen could be 31.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:02

Oh, send it right to him. Right to his inbox.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:05

You want a piece of my sock. I'll send you the whole right sock. How's that?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:08

Oh my god!

SPEAKER_01 1:19:09

Everybody else gets the scraps. And not you, buddy, you might.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:12

You get a whole sock.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:13

You get a whole sock.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:14

Well, as much as I would like to go on and on and on and on about Artemis Fowl and Gregor the Overlander books, because I've reread a handful of those. I'm actually going to end on Enchantment, which is an Orson Scott card. Fantasy romance, kind of. And it's like it's it's Russian fairy tale based, or Ukraine, maybe. It's got Baba Yaga in it. Um there's like a bear, because I think there's like Russian bear fantasy uh fairy tales, Russian bear fantasy.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:46

Russian bear romance for his novels.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:50

Um and it's basically about, you know, he gets displaced in time and and falls in love with a girl. And he's like, he's kind of worthless, like he's from like the you know, modern day society, and he gets goes back in time where like fairy tales are all the the defining you know culture and everything, and and he's like weak and can't do anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:08

He's like Nate Brigatsi when he's like, I think he's like, I I would not I I wouldn't know how to do anything. He's like, I would be doing worse than I am now.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:21

Anyway, it's so sweet. I've probably read that three or four times.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:26

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:26

But I haven't reread anything in a very long time except for Howl's Moving Castle.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:31

And which of these books do you think I would like the most? I loved Ender's Game. Umskaban. Oscar Ban. Oscar Ban.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:43

I mean, you might find Magic Kingdom for Sale delightful. I don't think you'd like enchantment as much. Yeah, I I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:50

You've all my Did you ever finish Faye of Toll Booth?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:54

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:55

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:56

I was like, this is boring. I also feel like I've read it before because that all that when he's traveling in the car and it's like all these literal places that he keeps ending up in, and it's like all this double talk. I'm just like, I this, I think I've read this before. Do you ever see the movie? Huh.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:10

I watched the uh I have fond memories of the movie. I think I should have.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:13

Well, maybe I should watch it. Is it a cartoon?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:15

Uh yeah. I feel like it's kind of like one of those I want to say it's got some who frame Roger Rabbit kind of or maybe it starts off as a cartoon overlay of the real people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:26

It starts off as a real Did you have any that you would um that you want to read again?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:32

You know, I was thinking, no, this isn't this is non-fiction. I was just thinking, uh, surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:38

Oh yeah. That would be fun to re-read.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:41

Yeah, I would like to probably reread Gates of Fire, which is a realistic uh realistic fiction. Okay. By our boy, another book that I actually re-listened to, which is called Um Oh dang it, what is his name? Stephen Pressfield. Uh called War of Art.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:02

I love that book. And but anyways, he wrote Gates of Fire. Gates of Fire is on it's like a fictional account of the Battle of Thermopylae, like what 300's based on. Oh. It's really good. It's awesome. Yeah, you you you probably like it. It's great.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:20

I'm just gonna say all the ones that I would like to reread in a quick succession. Project Hail Mary.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:25

Nice. I gotta read the Martian.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:27

The entire Bridgerton series. Oh. Oh, yeah, the Martian's good. Um, I'd like to try again on Game of Thrones.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:35

But it might be really good. I've never read any.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:37

I couldn't finish the first book because everyone was bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:42

Remember? It's so cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:44

Yeah. And then um, oh Outlander. Oh, love Outlander by Diana Gabaldon. Gabaldon?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:51

What's the what's the main guy's name in it?

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Jamie Fraser.

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Yeah, yeah. He like had the hot series.

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Everyone has the hot series. There's a hot series on Netflix. Um, and then I would reread any Dan Brown book. Have you read any Dan Brown books?

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Yeah. Um what's the DaVinci Code.

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But then he also has a bunch of other ones. There's one, I don't think it's called the Arctic Incident, because that's the Artemis Fowl title, but it's something like that. And it like takes place in Antarctica. Hmm. But they all move so they're all very cinematic. They all just move so fast. Like the book, you know, it's a really long book, but it might take place over like two or three days.

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Uh this book, uh yeah, you know what? This one, uh, Cast Under an Alien Sun. Is that what Olin Thornson? Cast Under an Alien Sun, the pen and the sword, and heavier than a mountain and forged in fire. That's the one I was talking about where a guy goes back to a different or goes to another planet. Yeah. Um Empire of the Summer Moon. That's nonfiction. That's a great book. Gosh, there's a lot of great books out there, guys.

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Sleeping on them. I'm sleeping on them.

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I went on a Jim Butcher bender here.

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Oh, I do like it.

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I listened to every single one in a row. Pillars of the Earth.

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Did you ever even? Did you ever listen to it?

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Yeah.

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Did you like it?

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Yes.

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Did you listen to At World's End?

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No.

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Or uh Eye of the Needle?

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Eye of the Needle, no. Red Rising. Alright, we gotta go on. Yeah, let's move on.

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All right, we've been talking for an hour.

Our Cover Of You’ve Got A Friend

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Let's go tune on our song. On our song. We did a little cover.

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See, we do have a format, jerks.

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Yeah, gosh. We did a little cover of uh You've got a friend. It's Leslie's pick this time. Yeah. You've got a friend.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:38

The James Taylor version is the one I prefer the most. Amazing. Um so yeah, you want to tell us anything about it?

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Well, it was He's still alive, right? He is. He's uh 79.

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Oh, he's younger than old Carol.

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Yeah, five years.

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Okay, didn't they weren't they like a thing and they had like some bad blood?

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I don't know if they ever had bad blood. I know he did with Carly Simon.

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Oh, that's who I'm thinking of.

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Um he actually played, played, I believe, on Carol King's stuff. Stuff on her on this song. Oh her version. He at least he's credited as playing an acoustic guitar on the Wikipedia page anyway.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:16

Well, that can't possibly be false.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:19

No, no way. No, but it's honestly it probably it's probably not. Um it's he probably did, is what I'm trying to say. Uh she wrote this apparently as when she she heard uh Fire and Rain.

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Oh.

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And I think it was the line I've seen Lonely Days where I couldn't find a friend or lonely times or whatever.

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Lonely times that I thought would never find a friend. Well, she I could not find a friend.

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Wrote this with that in mind. She said the song wrote itself. Uh and it, you know, it's like it plays like it wrote itself.

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Yeah.

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It's like we've done uh we we've done three killer songs in a row.

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I mean, uh obviously our versions of them are the reason they're killer. What Rob was trying to say.

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Yeah.

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It's good music out there, guys.

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Danny uh Danny Cook Korchmer.

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I love I love Coachmar.

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Danny Cook, who's Danny Cooksey?

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I don't know. Keep going though.

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He was on both, he was on both uh recordings.

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Oh.

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He played the congas on both. He's also written a trillion songs. He's written a nice he's a great songwriter. He's written for a lot of people.

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Do you like James Taylor? Because for me, this is a yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:34

Yeah, he's a James Taylor song. I cannot play guitar like him. I enjoyed doing an approximation of the intro. Yeah, it was beautiful. I kind of went, I tried to go heavier. He goes heavier on the um when I say heavier, I mean he carries more of the melody in the higher strings.

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Yeah.

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Where I was kind of trying to be a put him put him more on the bass. Part of that's because I play better that way.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:59

Yeah. Well, I all feel like the guitar in this song has lots of countermelodies to the vocal line. I really like that.

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Yes, yeah. Yeah, we'll put the guitar's great.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:10

Like they kind of weave in and out of each other a little bit. And it's like you really can't hear it without the da-da-da-da-da-da. Like that's part of the song, even though there's no words there. Yes. You have to have that.

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You have to have something like that, or it's got to be a completely different version of the song.

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As we heard.

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So that's why I was when I was trying to figure out how to play it, or at least in a way that would work. Because you know, there's even in his version, which is lean, yes, she her version, she's got a string quartet. Full, she's got a viola, a violin, a cello, and a bass. And but even his, he's got like four or five people on there. There's a lot, there's there's a lot going on.

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Feels naked.

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Yeah, so you gotta but you but but you always have this is just any the little bit I've learned about playing covers over the years is that you can get away with doing just about whatever you want.

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If you get the

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That one lick as long as you get that one lick.

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We learn that in school music therapy.

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That's a great, it's a great tip. Um, you'll hook it up. You'll always have to do is like that's not how you play it, but yeah, whatever, dude. Whatever, you don't have a 30 subscribe podcast. Where's yours? But uh what do you like better? Wait, did I did I answer your question? Did I like James Taylor? Is that what you're doing? Yeah, I like James Taylor. He I I've never gone real deep on on his stuff. I meant to actually look to to check out the album this is on. What is it? Mudslide Gym. Uh can't remember. It is on Mudslide Slim, pardon me, in the Blue Horizon, which I'm sure is a killer album. I've never never listened to it. I meant to do it this week. Didn't do it.

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What happened to us?

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I don't know.

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We just slipped right into today.

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I worked a lot at work.

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Yeah.

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It's not that I work on this at work, but like I said, like sometimes my brain space, like I'll your work is very feast or famine. Yeah, yes. But I was just staying steady and taking the kids around places.

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All right.

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Well definitely, yeah.

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Do what do you like better between uh Carol King and uh James Taylor in terms of this song?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:12

This is my James Taylor, yeah. Like for me, this section of us talking today about the music and the musician is to is about James Taylor.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:19

You're talking about the um You're talking about what is the lyric that he changes? Oh, helping hand.

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Yeah, loving care is what it was originally. Yes. Sorry, I'm so sorry. If you would let me get a comfortable chair or let me stand, like the reason I have to move so much is I'm very uncomfortable. I'm not as uncomfortable as I used to be when we lived in the closet.

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But let's find a way to stand a way to stand. We'll get that velvet rope we were talking about so we can really stand in line. Yep. It'd be great. This is what's gonna this is where we're gonna get our 35.

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Oh.

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Yeah, this is where we're gonna explode.

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Five more people.

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What were we saying?

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Uh I was just saying that for me, this is about James Taylor. Oh, oh, the lyric that got changed. Do you know any lore on that?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:02

Not really. Like this doesn't really seem to be much of a like he just wanted to change it, kind of make it a little more his.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:09

So we listened to the cover of Michael Jackson singing it and uh I almost said Artemis Fowl. Aretha Franklin. Different AF initials. Um but do you know when his cover, like when did his come out in timeline of those two? Do you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:23

Well, it's fun uh oh, when did his when did Taylor's come out? Yeah. Oh, 72.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:29

So same years MJ?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:30

72, yeah. Yeah, that's uh yeah, his came out in seven no, his came out in 71. All right. Hers came out in 71. So that's funny because it's one actually one of the things I want to talk about was you know, I mentioned there are a tr a ton of covers of this. And I do you mind if I just rip through them?

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Go ahead.

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Okay.

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Rip. Like literally rip. I will rip, but I I don't think you actually know what that means or how to do it, but give it a try.

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I just want to say that a lot of them were in like 71, 72. It's just kind of funny that you have that many covers of a real contemporary. Yeah, and these are like big names.

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I mean, like I said, I was like a lot of radio play, because that was basically how people got their music.

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I always go on Who Sampled to see all the samples, is it has them laid out in a really easy way. You can just click and watch the video. And so that's when I when I check these covers out, but um Johnny Mathis, Smokey Robinson, Ann Murray, Skeeter Davis, Peter Nero, Cliff Richard, the JBs, which is like um you know, James Brown's band, uh Andy Williams. Those are just those are the ones I didn't get to. Right? Of just the the folks who I knew.

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James Brown, huh?

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Yeah. I listen. Well, it's the JBs. It's uh it's he it's not he's not actually singing on it. It's a it's a whole thing. But I think uh Fred Wesley, maybe. Anyways, uh brand new heavies. They got kind of like a new jack swing, acid jazz kind of thing. It was all right, female vocals. Uh McFly. McFly was like they're like, I think an Irish band, and they they did this. It's with a bunch of kids in Uganda singing the chorus.

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And wow.

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It's kind of nice. It's a little like I don't know. Whatever.

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A little Sally Struthers?

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Yeah, I think it was for a good call, like it was for comic relief or make poverty history or something like that. Um comic relief, you know the oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

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Yeah, yes. I was like, wow, those things don't seem like they go together.

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Billy Crystals and and Whoopee, Whoopsie. Yeah, yeah. Whoopsie Goldberg. Uh Michael Jackson, we talked about that. Funk Brothers did it. I really liked it. I like the sound of that. Um you I don't think you were too impressed.

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I was fine. It's, you know, I'm pretty married to this version.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:45

Yeah, of course. A lot of people are. Euretha Franklin. Um who? Aretha Franklin and James Cleveland. James Cleveland is one of the dudes who uh is preaching. No, he's one of those gospel guys who uh the guy who's retiring, the teacher who's retiring told me to check out. But in the Southern Cal California Community Choir. That was a cool. They combined it with Precious Lord Take My Hand. Uh Freddie Mer Freddie Mercury had that play at his funeral.

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Oh.

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Which I thought was kind of awesome. Kind of cool. Apparently he was a huge fan of that. I watched the VH1 Divas, Carol King, Gloria S. Stefan, Celine Dion, and Shania Twain all did it. They each kind of took turns singing verses like Carol King was playing piano.

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Celine Dion's, I don't like her.

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The she's not my favorite. She's like a real estate mogul.

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She's made a ton of things. She's like a quadruple air.

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She's a I think she's a billionaire, isn't she? I don't know.

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Anyway, she also had like a Las Vegas residency, too, I think.

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Oh, did she? I think so. Does she still?

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No.

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They basically just take turns singing. They do sing the chorus together, but they don't really harmonize.

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It's weird.

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Like divas.

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They probably can't. You guys probably can't even sing in harmony, except Carol King probably could.

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Uh yeah. Yeah, for sure. Ron Isley and Aretha. Oh, by the way, speaking of Joni Mitchell sang harmony on James Taylor.

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We were speaking of her.

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Speaking of harmonies.

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Oh, oh, oh.

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Ron Isley and Aretha. They did a version of it in 2010. I didn't really like it. I like both of them, but it was too much of both of them.

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I feel like this song is the epitome of how close can we get to being a cheesy song without ever actually tumbling over into cheese, though. And how easy it would be if you're making a cover of it to make it cheesy.

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Yeah, like uh Tom Jones. He did a version of it. He opens with the chorus. A little something different. Yeah. Actually, I kind of liked it. It was uh it was big, like symphonic kind of nice.

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Do you have an award to give anyone?

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Um well I also listened to Al Green, Roberta Flack and Donnie Hathaway. That was cool. Dusty Springfield.

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You didn't pick up what I was putting in.

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Oh no, you won't be close. Barbara Streisand, nah. Ella Fitzgerald, that was great. She played with Tommy Flanagan, uh Cory Quartet with Joe Pass. I'll wrap it up. Wet, Wet, Wet, fine. Scottish pop group. Hank Marvin, guitar player, loved it. And Billy Ray Cyrus and Emily Osman.

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Nah.

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Award of all the a nobody award or just of what my favorite cover was?

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I don't care.

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Okay, let's move on. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say my favorite cover. I don't know. Shoot. I like Donnie Hathaway.

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We've cra we have just crapped all over 90 minutes. Okay.

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So you don't get to think.

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You either have it written down and say it. We're not thinking, or we're going on.

Dream Covers And Movie Placements

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We're done. We're done. Okay. What's your this is our this is our category. Ready?

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Yep.

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What's your dream cover? If you could hear anybody cover the song.

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I went all in on the theme here, and I want to hear Randy Newman sing it.

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Oh, like you've got a friend in me?

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Because that's my B-side.

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Okay. Uh-huh. Cool. I want to hear, after hearing uh Michael Jackson, I would like to hear Barry White and the Love Unlimited Orchestra. Pretty much do it. I think it'd be great.

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What's your B-side?

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B-side. Oh. Stand by Me.

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Like when the night?

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Yes.

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Oh, that's nice.

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Sky that we look upon. Yeah. Yeah. Benny King.

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Alright. Soundtrack?

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I would like, I think this would go really well in Billy Madison. Um maybe instead of while I absolutely adore the song Telephone Line by Electric Light Orchestra. No, no, no, no, no. You know what? Keep it. Keep Telephone Line. Steve Buscemi's character. You know the Glad I Called That Guy?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:56

Yeah. Zigling. I know that Steve Buscemi was in it.

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He's got the sniper rifle at the very end of the movie. A little spoiler here. He shoots um Eric in the butt, and then Billy Madison's like, I'm glad I called that guy. Like I think that would have been a great place for Almond. Maybe play the Tom Jones version.

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I think it would go nicely in somewhere in the movie In Bruges.

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Oh that's great. Yes. That's a well man, that movie's so good. I love that movie.

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I thought it would be just like remember, sorry, this is a little spoilerly. Remember when he shoots a kid.

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Um and then they like Oh yeah. Yeah.

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I feel like it could follow that scene.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:45

Jeez, yeah, I forgot about that. That was pretty much the whole reason they were there, right? Is that a reveal? That was a spoiler, wasn't it? Is that why they were there?

SPEAKER_04 1:37:56

No. Did they I don't think so. It wasn't a spoiler.

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Okay. Hey, look, we should wrap it up.

Subscribe, Email, And Goodbye

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Yep. We're done.

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