Dylan's "Blood on the Tracks", Bedtime Sitcoms Updated & Mr. Big | Ep 30

We bounce from music, TV, and games the way we actually talk while “waiting in line” together, and it somehow turns into real recommendations. We nerd out over Bob Dylan, argue our bedtime sitcom rankings, compare Hogwarts Legacy with Disco Elysium, and finish by covering “To Be With You” by Mr. Big. 
• the “waiting in line” podcast premise and why we might add a stanchion or ballet bar 
• building a searchable episode data sheet with timestamps and AI help 
• Blood on the Tracks as a 1975 Bob Dylan album worth sitting with 
• standout tracks and why Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts is hard to follow 
• the Minneapolis Six session player credit mess 
• quick book corner with A Little Hatred and The Wisdom of Psychopaths 
• redefining “bedtime sitcoms” and updating our rankings with Community and Rick and Morty 
• Great Courses and other “sleep shows” that help us wind down 
• Hogwarts Legacy as an approachable first RPG and why easy mode is valid 
• immersion breaks, linearity, and what we wish the game did differently 
• Disco Elysium first impressions, decision fatigue, and why failing can be fun 
• covering “To Be With You” with key changes, solos, and favorite covers 
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Transcript

Cold Open And Theme Song Bits

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On this episode of the audience will like it.

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If I do PCP, can I lift a dumpster?

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I think he had to pay Bob Dylan like$350,000 because he didn't quite do the credit right. When Pierce died, I was just like, is he even dead? Also, he's got PCP.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's borderline.

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They were done so well. The very first episode I ever saw of Rick and Morty.

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Pickle Rick.

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Yeah, it was Pickle Rick.

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I was vomiting.

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You're a cop that literally doesn't know his name.

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You wake up with amnesia.

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You don't know anything.

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And there's like a crime immediately outside your door, and you everybody's like, oh, he must be the new fifth year. I can't believe they let someone in the school in a fifth year. You hear like grumbling Slytherins all over here.

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Well, for what it's worth, I do really hate fifth years. So he was referring to he was waiting in line, and his mood ring is going back and forth between greens and blues. Oh, hey there. Hey guy. That's cool. Look at you go.

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I don't have my mic set or anything like that.

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Captain going on there.

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Captain my captain.

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Hey, would you like to hear a little theme song around?

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I would love to.

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Alright. Let's see.

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Sing me to heaven.

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Oh.

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I'll kiss you.

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I'll kiss your still warm lips to heaven. How's that sound? Wait, is that right?

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Uh-huh.

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Yeah, we were playing. We were just playing it, weren't we?

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We were.

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Two married friends.

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Goodbye, Blanky. Blanky.

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No, no. Standing in line, remember?

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Standing in line.

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Standing in line. With two microphones. That's true.

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We're actually still sitting here.

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Oh crap. More on that later. They got in a car crash. She died in his arms. He kissed her lips. No. Oh, no. No. I don't think I normally wear headphones. I realized I uh uh you know, because I usually nail it.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

That's true. Nail it. I feel like we could fill an album with each version of this.

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It's kind of fun. It's kind of part of the fun though, isn't it, guys?

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Here we are. Welcome to our We were back. We're back.

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I guess we're back. We're going to be a good thing. We took a week off. We never they don't know. But we did. We did take a week off.

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To explore spring break options.

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Yeah, we did a little experimenting. A little uh ru a little uh the audience will like it Rumspringer.

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That's right. That's right. Do you guys know what that is?

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The Amish don't have all the fun.

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That's true. And they'll never know if we talk about it on here.

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They might.

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They get a little bit of a ones that the ones that Rumspringer successfully took them away from their cultures.

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Yeah, the Rumspringer ones will know. And then the ones who, you know, I would actually like really like to know this. It just dawned on me.

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Uh-huh.

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The full spectrum of Amish living. Because you know they when we were talking to our friend Yuri. Yeah. He was who's an Amish and our neighbor. And he said that because I kind of I kind of got an idea. I'm like, you know, some because he was saying, because they had those little headlamps. Oh, yeah. They were really geeking out of them. They were loving those things. And then they could also they also had a generator powered uh like miter saw or what a miter saw is, but a some sort of power tool.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Yeah, it had the ability to cut at a 45-degree angle.

SPEAKER_04 3:41

Yeah. I think you're onto something. Yeah, it's a miter saw. And I was like, well, you know, what? Hey, wait a minute. Are you I don't think you're allowed to use electricity? You know, that sort of thing. I didn't say that, but he explained it to me that they vote on it. There has to be a unanimous decision among the elders of their whatever community is. And so as long as they all vote on it, it's cool. So they the headlamps had just recently passed. So I wonder how far. They'll push it. Like, do you think there's going to be a can we vote? Hey, our neighbors, the the shoe crafts, they have a podcast I think we'd really be interested in.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

Like a panel we could get a paper.

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Maybe they could just vote. Just listen to. You can't listen to anything else. But they couldn't.

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I bet the people listening would like to know what they're here for today.

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You think so?

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I'm Leslie Shoecraft.

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Whoa.

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That one needs a trigger warning.

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You just killed a puppy that did not want to be killed. Still warm.

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Uh the puppy, you can kiss it on its lips. Anyway, I'm Leslie Shoecraft. This is my husband, Rob Shoecraft. He's absurd. And we're the co-hosts of a show we made up called The Audience Won't Like It. And they don't. Because there aren't a lot of people watching it.

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Could you believe we made this up?

SPEAKER_00 5:01

Is this at all like an extension of like, hey mom, watch this?

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Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

Oh man.

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But uh yeah, I gotta I did hey guys, big news. So it's a lot. Did you say it's a waiting in line podcast?

SPEAKER_00 5:19

I didn't get that far.

The Waiting In Line Premise

SPEAKER_04 5:19

Oh, get get that far.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

Okay, so this is a podcast about waiting in line. We're simulating waiting in line because it's a cool thing to do. Everybody loves waiting in line. And you know when you're waiting in line, sometimes you're with somebody you know, or so maybe you talk to the people you don't know.

SPEAKER_04 5:33

Yeah, now that you mentioned it.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

And you might, you know, strike up a conversation and and talk about like what you're into and then land on a topic.

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Can we touch people?

SPEAKER_00 5:41

You shouldn't. If you're married.

unknown 5:44

Oh.

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If you're a married podcast team. And then what you're waiting in line for is you tell us about this. Oh, uh concert.

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You're waiting in line for a concert.

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Who are we seeing this?

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In this case, we are seeing Mr.

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Big and his band. Or is Mr.

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Big the name of the big none of their names are Mr. Big.

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Oh.

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Actually. Did you not know that? Did you think one of them?

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I thought the lead singer was Mr. Big and he had some studio musicians musicians.

SPEAKER_04 6:08

Larry Big. Or uh sure there's a better name out there.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Uh what was this, the movie Big?

SPEAKER_04 6:13

Oh, um what was his name in that? What was his real name though? Oh, Tom Hanks?

SPEAKER_00 6:17

Yeah, Tom Hanks.

SPEAKER_04 6:18

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It'll come to me later.

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Jason Siever.

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No, no, it's growing pain. I guarantee he experienced some serious covering pains.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

He did in that movie, for sure.

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Yeah.

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But anyway, yeah, today we're gonna cover a little Mr. Big to be with you.

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We're doing the concert, guys. We are. That's the cover.

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It's not secret twist of the end of the podcast.

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Uh one of them uh died. I can't remember he's the uh no.

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Not the guitar player.

SPEAKER_04 6:46

No, the guitar player's still still still cooking.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

What's his haircut looking like these days?

SPEAKER_04 6:50

I guess we could save that for he's got a short, he's got a short haircut, pretty clean cut. Paul Paul Pal Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Gilbert.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

You gonna cut that part?

SPEAKER_04 7:02

We don't edit, so I like to try to like d make like Tim and Eric it live. Like, we found the effect.

SPEAKER_00 7:12

We were just doing it real life. Um, all right. So now you know what you're here for.

SPEAKER_04 7:17

Yeah, now you know what you're here for. Uh don't leave. Should we tell them about the new prop that we may use next time?

SPEAKER_00 7:23

Sure. And I have a thing to say about it too. Believe it or not. You you No no, tell us about the prop because it I need context.

SPEAKER_04 7:30

So, hey, uh listener slash viewer, you know how you how we how we have a podcast?

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Hey, Dan, Terry. Listen up.

SPEAKER_04 7:37

Hey, Jeffrey.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Jeffrey?

SPEAKER_04 7:41

Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. Uh there's there are several of you who listen. You said Seth, right?

SPEAKER_00 7:48

I didn't. Seth. Oh, see you Seth. I'm so sorry, Seth. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 7:50

There are several other people actually. No, no, I think about it we have a lot of wonderful, uh wonderful friends who support. I know Dennis has gone in and out of it. We got uh Jerry's been uh browsing a little bit, you know.

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Jerry?

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Yeah, Jerry from church.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Oh not from Rick and Morty. No. No, no, I was thinking of famous fame.

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Famous fame, Jerry Control? Yeah. Jerry Rice.

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Jerry No, just keep going.

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Jerry and the pacemakers.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Oh, Gary. Is it Gary or Jerry?

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Go on and talk about anyways.

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So I got a uh, you know how we said we were staying in line?

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But we're sitting. It's kind of a lie podcast.

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Well, the reason we don't stand is because we don't have like anything to lean against.

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That's right.

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Because this is a long podcast.

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Not too long, just 90 minutes.

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So I got I looked on I went on and looked on uh for some s for some velvet stanchions.

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Whoops, I forgot to turn off my two hours ago and I started tracking my functional strength workout.

SPEAKER_04 8:53

Oh what really? What what what what is it what is its opinion of that?

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Uh oh, it says I've burned 489 calories.

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How is that I got I got questions for that some other time.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

Sorry I interrupted that. Anyway, I just wanted to point out that we started we started podcasting today at about four o'clock, so we'll be done by 5 30, everybody.

SPEAKER_04 9:12

Okay, so uh at this rate. Yeah. So I I wanted to get a nice like velvet stanchion kind of thing. That's what they're called.

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Okay.

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Did you know that?

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I uh it sounds familiar, but I would never have been able to pull that out of any sort of hat.

SPEAKER_04 9:24

Well, I pulled it out of mine. And my wine my line weighting hat.

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And did you say wine lading?

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Line weight did I?

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I don't know, but I like it.

SPEAKER_04 9:34

Wine wine lading? Yeah. Like a wine ladle? That's for like somebody who's very serious about their alcoholic.

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In their cups.

SPEAKER_04 9:44

Um what would that okay. I need a barrel. You need a barrel for that. You would. Yeah, okay.

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But we're talking about stanchions.

SPEAKER_04 9:52

We in the same uh same line there on that one?

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Yes.

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So to speak.

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Yep.

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As they say. Okay, so what I wanted to get look, I was looking at substantions. Uh like 60 to 100. I don't want to spend any money on that.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

No, we're not spending money on pretending to wait in line.

SPEAKER_04 10:07

Yeah. But so I was at I was at work and I was I I found a bunch of railings for like some old some thing they were gonna like basically scrap metal.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

Uh-huh.

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I and it and it was uh well you saw it. What would you call that? Like a guard, like a railing.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

Well I'll tell you, it looks to me like a ballet bar that we already own in the barn.

SPEAKER_04 10:28

Oh, I see what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Yeah. I see a ballet bar when you when you show me that.

SPEAKER_04 10:34

Do you want to use a ballet bar next time?

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Um, I don't I don't know. So we won't I feel like we're gonna look like horses. Like we're in a field. Probably you know what I mean? Like we're centaurs or something. We're just like leaning on a fence.

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This is a this is a a podcast. No two centaurs.

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Waiting in line for a few minutes.

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Waiting in lock for a cover. That's great. Have you seen that? Have you ever seen the Fallout Centaurs?

SPEAKER_00 11:02

No, but I have something to say about centaurs later. Centaurs are pretty central to today's theme.

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Can we can we talk about oh, I know what you're talking about.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Video games. Yeah. Yeah.

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We're gonna have some video games.

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We're talking about video games today. We're gonna talk about an album? Uh uh album.

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Bedtime Bedtime catch-up.

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Ketchups.

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Bedtime ketchup sounds delicious. Messy.

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Bedtime ketchup comes comes once a month.

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What?

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I won't explain what it is or how it's made.

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No. Gross. Do do do do do do do do drop a comment if you know what that's a meme song for.

Stanchions Subscriptions And The Data Sheet

SPEAKER_04 11:45

And then he spits on it. Well, that okay. Anyways, uh, we're talking about uh yeah, an album, uh Blood on the Tracks.

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Bedtime Catchup on the Twitter.

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Whoa.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

It's very meta.

SPEAKER_04 12:02

It's going pretty well. Very meta. We don't really have like a main topic per se. Do we ever?

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We do. We do. But I did I did treat these topics as if they were main topics. Did you?

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That's that's pretty cool. That's really cool.

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So anyway.

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Uh hey, should we talk about uh let's let's let's do a little bit of a little bit more.

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So anyway, so so we might you next time you see us, we might be standing at a fence. That's that's what all we were trying to say about that.

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We may be standing next time.

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And you can take that that right back to work because we have a ballet bar we can use.

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Oh man.

SPEAKER_04 12:36

Travis is not gonna be happy with that.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

Travis is going to. No, Travis.

SPEAKER_04 12:41

If anybody would like a ballet bar or a centaur fence, centaur corral. I know we can get a lot. Okay. Uh yeah, uh so you know we I released some shorts and got a little bit of traction here and there. Uh we gained two more subscribers than lost them. Um I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

What? We went from 34 direct to 32. You jerks. You guys were trying to pay bills with this.

SPEAKER_04 13:13

But uh, but Jeffrey, Jeffrey Miller30 wrote. Um, he said, Rob, hey Rob, uh, exclamation mark. Hey. Hey Jeffrey. Hey, Jeffrey. Uh, I need that data sheet. And he timestamped the part where I'm talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

Which one was that from? Oh. You didn't write that down.

SPEAKER_04 13:31

I didn't. What? Well, here's the thing. And Jeffrey, you made my day with that. First of all, you made my day because Jeffrey was a uh he was a three-storm fitness uh viewer.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

If you guys want to go see Rob in other capacities, you can go check out his Three-Storm Fitness channel.

SPEAKER_04 13:46

Mm-hmm. Watch him work out. It's pretty old, but uh it's there, and there's a lot of stuff on there.

SPEAKER_00 13:52

If you want to hear him talk about his ripping his pants, there's a few of those.

SPEAKER_04 13:55

There's a few of those. Yeah. One of them might be one of my more popular videos is Duluth uh pants.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

Yeah, you should review it now that they've sold out. Well sorry, Duluth.

SPEAKER_04 14:06

It's we Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

This is why. It's fine.

SPEAKER_04 14:08

I'm still aware of their stuff. This I think these are jeans from them. But anyways. Jeffrey, uh they're not.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

Those aren't Duluth jeans, guys.

SPEAKER_04 14:18

They are, aren't they? They are not. Are you sure?

SPEAKER_00 14:20

I am sure.

SPEAKER_04 14:20

What are they?

SPEAKER_00 14:21

Stand up. They're either Levi's or Levi Strauss.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_04 14:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

They're Levi's. Yes. I can see the red Levi tag. Sorry, guys. Sorry, so sorry.

SPEAKER_04 14:34

Sorry uh for those who are just listening. Anyway, Jeffrey, back to Jeffrey. Anyways, Jeff. Um, so so he was uh he was a viewer on um uh on three-store fitness. It's kind of guy who timestamp stuff, and he's he makes the internet a better place. That's what I could say about Jeffrey from what I know about him.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

That's a kind thing to say.

SPEAKER_04 14:55

Yeah, I I appreciate uh I appreciate him. And he I really appreciate that he said he needed this data sheet because it I I think I need to really make that. Basically, what it what I said was I need I need I want to make a big sorry, what is all that activity?

SPEAKER_00 15:12

We're hearing there's gonna I I did want to say there's gonna be some in and out activity when people get home from being dropped off from picking up sticks.

SPEAKER_04 15:21

You're talking about like a little bedtime catch up.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

I am not talking about my mother dropping her son off.

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Goodness gracious.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

So if you hear some thumps and and and stuff like that, you just can um know that it's my family. That loving family making noise in the house we all share. Anyway, continue. I know what you're talking about. So Jeffrey's data sheet. Right? Yes.

SPEAKER_04 15:46

So basically what I said was I I want to have a I want to have a a big data sheet that has everything we've ever talked about and timestamps on when and lots of other stamps. Taxonomy driven.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Ways of sorting.

SPEAKER_04 16:04

Well, yes, yes, yes. And I think it's a great idea. He said he wants it, and I want it. And I was thinking about it, you know, it'd be cool like two of two people want it.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

If we It's a hundred percent of the people.

SPEAKER_04 16:15

First of all, I was thrilled that he watched like 34 minutes of it to find that section. And then that he wants something that's that I think is like I f I just I just say stuff like that and thrilling when people like you and they like the things that you like.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

It's cool. Yeah, it's like them, yeah, and the songs that you write for them.

SPEAKER_04 16:37

Yes. So, anyways, I want to make that. I'll probably start with just a simple, simple list, which isn't that simple because I gotta go through what I say, 62 hours of something like that, 50 to 60 hours of podcast.

SPEAKER_00 16:51

I'll never do that.

SPEAKER_04 16:52

But that's what uh AI is for.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Unless you let me work from home and that's what I and you pay me to do that.

SPEAKER_04 16:56

But it'd be cool to be like because you know, right now we're we say, Oh yeah, well, first of all, we have barely told anybody that we have have a podcast, but it we get we you know, we say, Oh, we got this podcast, and people go to look at it and they're like, I don't I don't know what this is, it's two hours, it doesn't look like anything I'm interested in. That's cool you guys do that though. Good seeing you. So it'd be cool to to point somebody to a source that has a bit more of a hey, this is this this is the 7,000 things we've talked about, if you'd like to really narrow it down.

SPEAKER_00 17:32

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 17:33

I was just gonna say who I I'm thinking like ultimately growing into like a do you remember those tag clouds? Let's we'll talk. You know what?

SPEAKER_00 17:41

I don't okay.

SPEAKER_04 17:42

Forget tag clouds.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

I'm not much of an internet like person. Just more of a consumer than a creator.

SPEAKER_04 17:51

Okay. Well, no, you you're wrong, objectively.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

I just ride in your creative coattails.

SPEAKER_04 17:55

Yeah, well, it's writing them right down the mud.

SPEAKER_00 18:00

No.

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Into the uh you can ride in on me at our concert.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

What did a tray you dur drown in?

SPEAKER_04 18:05

Uh was it mud?

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Yeah, but it was called something.

SPEAKER_04 18:09

Wait, a tray you didn't.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Uh R-Tax.

SPEAKER_04 18:11

R-Tax, yeah. Yeah, I kind of wish Bastion did. He's sort of annoying.

SPEAKER_00 18:16

He needs a name. She needs a name, Bastion. All right. So are we getting right into it?

SPEAKER_04 18:24

Is that what that is? Get this is getting right into it.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

Well, we've been talking for 15 minutes.

SPEAKER_04 18:31

We didn't talk about anything.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

75.

SPEAKER_04 18:33

We've literally talked about the things we've created a lot of shorts material. Except for Jeffrey.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

Thank you, Jeffrey.

SPEAKER_04 18:38

Uh I think RTAX should write in on Falcor.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Oh at our concert. How? How would a horse ride a dog luck dragon? Guys, let me know.

SPEAKER_04 18:52

I don't think that's gonna be too much of an issue.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 18:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

I'm sure there's Would he stand on his back?

SPEAKER_04 19:00

Horses can lay down, right?

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Would he lay down?

SPEAKER_04 19:04

It'd be like some sort of saddle. Would he hold on a basketball? Would he be able to hold it like that?

SPEAKER_00 19:08

He'd have to be in a basket.

SPEAKER_04 19:10

It'd be like an elephant.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

Artex would have to be in a basket.

SPEAKER_04 19:13

Yeah. Artex would be in a horse-sized basket, but with Falkor that's not horse back. Much of an issue at all.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

No, it's not gonna be.

SPEAKER_04 19:21

So something to consider. The only issue is is Falkor dead? Doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

Is a Treyu dead? I mean, is RTAX dead?

SPEAKER_04 19:28

RTX is dead.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

He came back to life at the end.

SPEAKER_04 19:31

He did?

SPEAKER_00 19:31

Spoiler alert.

SPEAKER_04 19:32

Wait, he did?

SPEAKER_00 19:33

Yes, when when uh when the everything's restored, our Tax is riding across our Treyu is riding across the landscaping on RTAX. On RTax. He is. You've not seen it as many times as me.

Bob Dylan Blood On The Tracks

SPEAKER_04 19:48

I believe you. I just I cool. That's good. I've I I have hope for tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

Don't start with Blood on the Tracks.

SPEAKER_04 19:54

Yeah, let's start with Blood on the Tracks.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

That sounds cool. So I was assigned to listen to Blood on the Tracks close to one month ago. And I finally did it. On and off for the over the last two to three weeks.

SPEAKER_04 20:04

Why don't you tell us what Blood on the Tracks is?

SPEAKER_00 20:06

It's a Bob Dylan album. It's a Bob Dylan on album.

SPEAKER_04 20:09

That was a Dylan?

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Bob DeWylan album. Bowl Evans album.

SPEAKER_04 20:17

Bull Bob Evans?

SPEAKER_00 20:18

Bowl.

SPEAKER_04 20:19

Bob Evans wrote this.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

He wrote in on Bob Dylan.

SPEAKER_04 20:24

1975, Bob Evans, uh time catch up.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Anyway, it's a great it's a great album from 1975. So here's what you want us me to say.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

So you know I love I wrote, you know I love busted voices.

SPEAKER_04 20:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

Well, I can't believe I didn't I was never a fan of Bob Dylan.

SPEAKER_04 20:47

He's got one of the bustedest busted voices.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

He paved the way for busted voices.

SPEAKER_04 20:51

Did he? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

Yeah. So I can't believe I didn't know uh like him or listen to him more, but I could think it was just how you're how you're raised, you know? No one in my family was listening to Bob DeWylan.

SPEAKER_04 21:03

That's funny you mentioned that because how the how you're raised, because my my dad listened to a lot of Bob Dylan.

SPEAKER_00 21:09

Did you like Bob Dylan?

SPEAKER_04 21:10

Yeah, yeah. I've always liked Bob Dylan's always kind of been playing. It's been, you know, rare mainly like greatest hits. Like I think I'd listen to well, I I could tell you how I found this album if you'd like to.

SPEAKER_00 21:22

I want to tell me that.

SPEAKER_04 21:23

Journey with me.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

You guys, if you're not watching, we just touch dance.

SPEAKER_04 21:29

Which if we had a ballet bar, we'd be doing all the time.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

Oh, we would be. We'd be doing first position, Grand Batmoth, ballet stuff, plies.

SPEAKER_04 21:42

Gosh. Okay. So yeah, I'd I'd listen to uh I think I think uh my dad had like Bob Hill and Bob Evans Bob Bill and store greatest hits, uh and I I don't even remember what was on there, but a lot of songs that you'd probably know every one of them. And I think I had like Greatest Hits 3, and I think I had Dylan and the Dead, because it's one of those albums. I used to buy stuff that would, if if it was like$4 or used or something, I'd be like, I know those names. Let's listen to this. Yeah, I'll take that. But I I hadn't really listened to just a proper Dylan album before. So I was in a C D store with John.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Is this E-E-D-Y?

SPEAKER_04 22:28

Uh no. No, it was actually a really nice compact discussion.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_04 22:33

Yeah. It was very nice. And in Bainbridge, in the Bainbridge area.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 22:39

And I was with John. And I was saying, like, man, I really want to find like a Bob Dylan album. And he's like, Bob Dylan? Why don't you listen to Bob Dylan? And the John said that? You would have thought, like the guy who was running the store. You'd have thought we were in like a like a Christian reading room and somebody just took the Lord's name in vain. And something's like, hey, you leave him alone. If he wants to listen to Bob Dylan, you let him listen to Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan's fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

You leave him alone.

SPEAKER_04 23:10

Something like that.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

What John said?

SPEAKER_04 23:12

You leave Jack Burton out of there.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

That's right. I think you were borrowing a little there. What did John think about that?

SPEAKER_04 23:18

I think John was scared. And uh because this guy had a cry. This guy had a beard. Oh my gosh. This guy had a beard. He looked tough. He said uh I said, well what what what album would you recommend? What'd you say?

SPEAKER_00 23:37

In his beard.

SPEAKER_04 23:37

In his beard?

SPEAKER_00 23:38

Like uh Like Peter with a Nest of Birds. Or Doug.

SPEAKER_04 23:42

Doug.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Yeah. There's no beards in that, though.

SPEAKER_04 23:45

No, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

Anyway, sorry. Beards.

SPEAKER_04 23:50

So this is a cool story. Really cool story. And so he said I Blood on the Tracks is my favorite Bob Dylan album. He's like, I think it's the best one. I think you'd really like it. So I got Blood on the Tracks and I listened to it, and I did really like it. And I I didn't I'm not a huge Bob Dylan fan. I'm just I'm just not. I like him very much. I've listened to a ton of his stuff. He's got um he has a huge amount of stuff I have not listened to. Is he alive? Of course he's in traveling Wilbury, so I'm a huge nut for that. Is he alive? He is, yeah. I think he's 84.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

Good for him.

SPEAKER_04 24:28

He was born. He was born and raised in Dulce. He was born and raised. Oh far, way back in the woods. Uh no, he was born and raised in Duluth, Minnesota, actually.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

What?

SPEAKER_04 24:38

Duluth? Yeah. Oh, he's born and bigger than that. Raised in Hibbing, Minnesota.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 24:43

Sorry, Hibbing Nights.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

Is that why he talks like that?

SPEAKER_04 24:45

1941 is when he was born.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

I need to hear his speaking voice.

SPEAKER_04 24:50

Uh do you need to? You can. It's accessible.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

I'm going to have to look that up, yes. I do need to.

SPEAKER_04 24:56

So you did like before this album, had you ever intentionally listened to Bob Dylan of Traveling Wildbirds? Really?

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Ever.

SPEAKER_04 25:04

Really?

SPEAKER_00 25:05

Really?

SPEAKER_04 25:06

Wow. He's got some good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

Yeah, I know. Can I talk about this?

SPEAKER_04 25:09

Because this is funny, because this album is not even while it is definitely one of his most popular albums. It's kind of like a comeback album in a sense. Like he had three massive albums, and he was just absolutely on fire. And then he got in like a motorcycle accident of some kind. He was going through all this crap with his wife. He was hanging out with this. I'm seriously take skipping a lot of stuff and generalizing and whatever. But he was this this painter, Norman Norman Rockwell. Norman Rockwell.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

Uh uh.

SPEAKER_04 25:42

No, it wasn't Norman Rockwell. It was uh I'd love to find it. Norman Norman something or other.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

Bates?

SPEAKER_04 25:50

Well, anyways, he he said he Yeah, Norman Bates. It's probably not even Norman.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

Anyway, an artist said.

SPEAKER_04 25:57

An artist he was working with. Uh he said he taught him how to how to write outside of time or how to basically create based on feeling and not what it is you're supposed to. Basically, and when it comes so he was trying to learn learn how to paint or learn how to do like a visual art.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 26:20

And he was saying that you'd quit trying to quit trying to paint that microphone. Yeah, and paint what you feel about this set, this scene, or something. I'm sure I'm getting it wrong. But basically, Bob Dylan took that and kind of applied it to his songwriting. And I mean, I think he was a lousy painter, at least according to what what he said, what this guy said about him. But I wish I could Raynan Norman oh Norman Rabin. Rabin. Anyways, that was in 1974. And then in 75 he made this album. So it was kind of a in it, and it I think it only had one one hit on it. Was it the blue? It wasn't, yeah, Tangled Up in Blue. And it wasn't even really a hit. Like it kind of I mean it was, but it wasn't number one or anything.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

I like that song. I it sounded vaguely familiar, but I hadn't really ever really truly listened to it.

SPEAKER_04 27:10

Yeah, I was saying, I'm like, I don't think I had actually ever heard a single song on this album the first time I heard it. I think it was all brand new to me.

SPEAKER_00 27:17

Tangled up in blue sounded real familiar to me. I know I've heard it before.

SPEAKER_04 27:21

It definitely it's definitely gotten some gotten some play. But it's it's a it's basically it's a song about I'm sorry, it's an album that's even though he has gone kind of back and forth on saying what it's really about, it's to quote Jacob Dillon, or paraphrase anyway, Jacob Dylan's his son. You know, the wallflowers.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

Oh, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_04 27:44

Yeah. Um really? Yeah, he said when he hears this this album, he hears his parents. It reminds him of his parents.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Aww.

SPEAKER_04 27:51

Because well, but there's a lot of good and a lot of bad, too, you know, because he he knows like all this is about the crap he was going through with Sarah, his wife at the time.

SPEAKER_00 28:00

Sarah Dwyen.

SPEAKER_04 28:01

Sarah Dwyen, yeah. And this is all, you know, just come my kind of half-effort research, but it's you could there's a lot of there's a lot of soul in this album. I mean, there's a lot like the way he sings a lot of this stuff, like Idiot Wind and Simple Twist of Fate, like Laca Free Track. You know, it's just like screaming.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

He's just like I wrote that Idiot Wind sounds the most Bob Dylan-y to me. The most talk singing.

SPEAKER_04 28:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

That kind of thing.

SPEAKER_04 28:39

Yeah, yeah. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

Where he's just barely committing to singing is what it feels like.

SPEAKER_04 28:45

Some of the songs kind of grind on me a little bit, but I do really like them. Little boat. Little boat.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Um Do you want to know what my favorite song on there was?

SPEAKER_04 28:53

Can I guess?

SPEAKER_00 28:54

Yeah. Quickly, because that's not a dead air.

SPEAKER_04 28:59

Blockets of Rain?

SPEAKER_00 29:00

No.

SPEAKER_04 29:01

Oh. Um Simple Twist of Fate?

SPEAKER_00 29:05

Nope. Meet Me in the Morning.

SPEAKER_04 29:06

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_00 29:07

Yeah, because it was like a dead totally sounded different than a blue song, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:11

Uh Freddie, Freddie King did a cover of that.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

That is.

SPEAKER_04 29:15

Uh a blues guy.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

Is he from the horror movie? Is he related to Freddie Kruger?

SPEAKER_04 29:21

Five Nights at Freddie. Oh.

SPEAKER_00 29:22

Or that.

SPEAKER_04 29:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

Usually people in horror are related by first name, so that's why I thought.

SPEAKER_04 29:27

Yeah, Freddie Freddie. Did I say King?

SPEAKER_00 29:30

You did. Kruger.

SPEAKER_04 29:31

Kruger.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

Five Nights at Freddie Kruger.

SPEAKER_04 29:34

Albert King and B. Oh sorry, Bibi Kruger. Albert Kruger and Freddie Krueger.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

The Kruegers. The Kruegers. Um Yeah, I really liked that one. It was the first one when I was listening through the album a couple times that I actually felt compelled to look at the name of.

SPEAKER_04 29:53

Uh okay. That's cool. I like that. I mean, that's a great song. I was thinking uh I was thinking it was going to be Buckets of Rain. I I think that'd be a cool song to cover. Okay. I like what he's doing on the guitar. Dylan's a pretty darn good guitar player. Uh he doesn't get recognized very much for being a good guitar player, but he's played a lot of guitar.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

Political content.

SPEAKER_04 30:16

Oh, just because he's he's I think his songwriting just overshadows his well that I guess I guess that's what I meant. Oh, gosh.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

His songwriting contained a lot of commentary. That's what I meant.

SPEAKER_04 30:27

Mm-hmm. But it this is a I mean, I I it was cool going back and listening to it again because I hadn't listened to this album in really a long time, and I used to listen to it all the time. So it was some of the tunes would come on and I'd be like, oh my gosh, I totally forgot about this song. I love this song.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

Um it took you back.

SPEAKER_04 30:46

It took me back, man. What did you think about was it Lily Rosebery? If I could just go.

SPEAKER_00 30:51

Okay, so that didn't stand out to me when you asked me about it. So then I went back and listened to it, and I musically, it's kind of repetitive.

SPEAKER_04 30:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

So I had to go read the words, and I was like, I have literally no idea who's doing what in this song, and it sounds like a soap opera. Yeah, I thought it was And I was wondering if it was all like allegory, if it all was representing Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 31:12

Yeah, I think it's just kind of a just a story, it's sort of like a Western.

SPEAKER_00 31:17

Yes. Well, did they say it's words like saloon in it? Yeah. That was probably why I thought it was a Western too.

SPEAKER_04 31:23

I like the characters in it. I like the story, which is really, really the reason it's kind of what I asked you to, you know, have an opinion on it was number one, it's a nine-minute song.

SPEAKER_00 31:33

Right. You know how I like those.

unknown 31:35

Right.

SPEAKER_04 31:36

And but it it's I don't normally it's kind of odd that I like Bob Dylan because of his busted voice. Yeah, I don't like I don't love his voice. Like I but I also I don't really care that much about lyrics generally. Lyrics are I've said it a million times, I probably will a million more, but they're I'm way more interested in the mel what's going on musically first, and then if that appeals to me, then the lyrics for the most part. So, but this one there's something about it, I think it might have just been because I was kind of going to like a Western phase. Like I was I was really into like unforgiving and good, the bad and the ugly and the cactus blossoms. The cactus blossoms.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

Is that what they were called?

SPEAKER_04 32:18

Well, the cactus blossoms was the group that we listened to, they're like the Everley brothers.

SPEAKER_00 32:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:23

I think they sound kind of cowboy though.

SPEAKER_04 32:25

Yeah. But I'm talking about those are these are w Western movies.

SPEAKER_00 32:28

Oh you've been including I was just including that in the list of Western stuff.

SPEAKER_04 32:34

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

Should we quit touching your rash? Should we? Rob has a rash, you guys.

SPEAKER_04 32:39

My gym rash?

SPEAKER_00 32:40

What's up, touching his gym rash?

SPEAKER_04 32:42

Anyways, it doesn't matter. I just thought it's a cool, it's a I I like it. It's it it's interesting because it because I like this and it's it's it's a song that I wouldn't normally enjoy. I'd be like, uh what whatever, who cares about the Jack of Hearts and this weird love triangle murder scene.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

Yeah, it was very it was hard for me to track. I wanted to do like a diagram.

SPEAKER_04 33:06

Yeah, so uh well, do you want to know what happened?

SPEAKER_00 33:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 33:10

Lily? Let's see here. Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

Do you know what happened?

SPEAKER_04 33:14

Rosemary, I think, was Big Jim's wife.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 33:20

And Lily was like a dancer, who's Big Jim's mistress. Okay. May have them confused. Jack of Hearts is a was a uh a robber who was into town who had some romantic relationships with, I think maybe both women.

SPEAKER_01 33:38

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 33:39

And Jim catches him robbing him, and but Rosemary steps in and kills her husband because she hates him.

SPEAKER_00 33:49

Jim.

Jack Of Hearts And Hidden Credits

SPEAKER_04 33:49

Yeah. She gets hanged, I believe. Lily's just sort of left broken and Jack of Hearts leaves town.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Typical.

SPEAKER_04 34:00

Yeah, I think that's what I got Jack of Hearts behavior. But it's just weird that I know that that's what happened when you're along with it? Uh yeah, I've I've looked at the lyrics for it. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 34:12

You didn't just get all that from listening.

SPEAKER_04 34:13

No, no, no. Okay. No. Well, I'm gonna be like, I mean, sort of.

SPEAKER_00 34:16

You have a new skill unlocked.

unknown 34:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:18

Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, I just really for something something drew me to the song, and who knows? Really, really mind-blowing stuff. Hootie and the Blowfish, they were uh sorry, Darius Rucker is a big fan of this album. He like worked in lots of lyrics from this album into his like I only want to be with you. Like, I think he even got he might have even gotten sued. Oh like I think Bob, I think he had to pay Bob Dylan like$350,000 because he didn't quite do the credit right. Like if it's supposed to be like an homage, yeah. I'm probably mixing messing it up.

SPEAKER_00 34:49

I know, I know what you're saying.

SPEAKER_04 34:50

But it didn't that that album, it wasn't I don't think it was gonna be that big a big of a deal, but that album sold 20 million copies.

SPEAKER_00 34:55

So Bob Dylan was like, I'll take a piece of that.

SPEAKER_04 34:57

You know what?

SPEAKER_00 34:58

Like that's my mine. Look it up.

SPEAKER_04 35:00

There's something to it there. Um any other any other songs you wanted to know? You're gonna make me lonesome when you're gone. Oh, that song.

SPEAKER_00 35:10

Yes, I did like that one. Shelter from the storm was a great tune. The lonesome when you're gone one.

SPEAKER_04 35:15

Yeah. But it's a just a it's a I'm I'm really glad you liked it. You should you should listen to some more Bob Dylan.

SPEAKER_00 35:22

So now that you've been making me listen to stuff, my my Apple uh radio station just does not know what to do. Because I'm like listening to this crap for work all the time, and now I'm like throwing Bob Dylan and the people under the stairs, and like and it just like it just there's no rhyme or reason to what gets fet served to me anymore.

SPEAKER_04 35:46

It's uh how do you how do you feel about it?

SPEAKER_00 35:50

It's fun. I like it.

SPEAKER_04 35:50

Oh, you do? Yeah, for the most part.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

Because you can skip stuff, so it's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_04 35:53

This was this was an album, sorry to just go back to it again. To go back to it, but it like I said, it didn't really have any hits on it. Except for tangling up a blue, but it's still sold in a multi-platinum.

SPEAKER_00 36:05

Well, people like their bob.

SPEAKER_04 36:07

They do, but like it I think it had like some immediate commercial success where I I don't know, it's just kind of a is that a di is that a thing anymore? Are there even albums anymore? Where like it like there's almost always a big hit. Like I I did like there's Led Zeppelin 4 didn't really have Stairway to Heaven wasn't really an area.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

People do still release albums, but I don't it's just not the same as like holding a an album in your hand.

SPEAKER_04 36:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:29

Like you're like, oh yeah, there's seven new songs out on my phone. I don't know, it's different.

SPEAKER_04 36:34

But this was kind of like one big like I hate to call it a concept album, but it's kind of like it's sort of its own contained thing.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

Yes. Like there's just I got it.

SPEAKER_04 36:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 36:46

Okay, let's let's move on.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

Um But if you want to keep saying it again, you can.

SPEAKER_04 36:52

We we want talk about the Min Minneapol Minneapolis Six.

SPEAKER_00 36:56

I don't know who they are.

SPEAKER_04 36:57

They sound like a like a murder crew.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

Who are they?

SPEAKER_04 37:00

I think there was a Minneapolis. They were the they were the Studio 80, the the session players who came in. Oh and this album. Yeah, they never got credit because it was just it's just screwed up with the like the album, I guess had already been printed. It this whole thing was recorded in two diets. It's this entire album. Like it was this huge rush job, but but all the the instruments on this are really really great, and they they kind of I think they kind of stand out.

SPEAKER_00 37:25

The man, that's a bummer. Did they ever I guess they got credit eventually because we're talking about it?

SPEAKER_04 37:30

They got credit eventually, but not what they deserved.

SPEAKER_00 37:33

Not eating it missed opportunities for the Minneapolis six. Six. I'm said.

SPEAKER_04 37:38

That's what they referred to them as.

SPEAKER_00 37:40

Hateful eight is where my brain went. So they were a murder crew.

SPEAKER_04 37:42

It's good flick.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

Right? Are they a murder crew?

SPEAKER_04 37:45

The hateful eight? Yeah. Some of them are. That's caught up more of a speaker.

SPEAKER_00 37:50

Is that the movie where they were all in a room? One place. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 37:54

And uh Kurt Russell's talking about uh that time catch up. Did he have the Abraham Lincoln letter? That wasn't never mind. I don't want to spoil the movie.

SPEAKER_00 38:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:06

It's a good flick. When we when we watch all the uh Tarantino movies, like we should have to do that. That'll be one of them. That'll be that'll be that will be one of them. Okay. Do you want to move on? Anything else you want to say about that?

SPEAKER_00 38:19

No, sir.

Abercrombie Books And Psychopath Nonfiction

SPEAKER_04 38:20

Terrific. Glad you enjoyed it. What uh I I I finished. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Well, I finished A Little Hatred.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

Oh good.

SPEAKER_04 38:33

That is the book I've been working through, Joe Joe Abercrombie of the Madness Mind of Madness trilogy. It's a it's basically in the same as the first law of the universe. It's I love that book. It's great. Man, he's such a he's such a great writer. Like he moves in and out of he does this thing that I I think I think you will like. Where number one, he he he will do like first person, third person, th f you sometimes you can hear their thoughts, sometimes you know you don't know what their thoughts are, sometimes they'll have conversations with themselves, sometimes it's just um like completely third person.

SPEAKER_00 39:19

So it's hard to keep track of, it's like sometimes well no, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_04 39:22

He makes it work so well, it goes in and out of all these different voices, voicings, and perspective. Sometimes it'll even be like a scene is playing out from this person's perspective, and then he'll backtrack like 10 seconds, and you see it again.

SPEAKER_00 39:33

And you see it again. I've read some books where they do something.

SPEAKER_04 39:35

But he makes it work so well. But he does this.

SPEAKER_00 39:37

That's cool.

SPEAKER_04 39:38

But he'll do this one thing that I love that's kind of sort of related to all that, where let's say there's two characters that have been really pretty well developed, and they you're now you're you're in one they they've they're in the same setting, pro same proximity for the first time in the in the arc. And they're and and one of them will be like, and then I saw this guy to the right and he had tattoos on his knuckles, and you're like, is that let's see, is that broad? Yeah, like you're oh yeah, and he's like, I could tell this guy is a bit and they'll give like details about him that weren't like the this guy named Brock was a lad was a ladderman, and a ladderman is like first up the ladder during a siege. And if if you make it through one battle, you're a you're a you're a beast. If you've made it through five, like this guy, as his tattoos kind of signify, then you're like that's a dude who's a super dangerous guy, but no one would really know that unless you know. Yeah, and this person's sort of like really observant. She's like, Who's this guy? But you already kind of know about him, but she's finding out more about him. Yeah, I think. And then they meet, and it's I love the way he does it. It never gets old for me. Where you know what I'm talking about? I do, yes. Characters introduce themselves, but that's great. Great book, highly recommended. I'm looking forward to uh to I I I'm giving I'm given something in the in the middle. I almost started the next one, but I decided to listen, started listening to uh to oh crap, what is it called?

SPEAKER_00 41:10

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 41:11

It's called uh uh The Wisdom of Psychopaths. Oh have you heard of that?

SPEAKER_00 41:16

No. Is that different than the CEO one about psychopaths?

SPEAKER_04 41:20

Well, it's it's I mean, I'm only about quarter through it. And he's mentioned like CEOs and surgeons and basically like the healthy, the almost desirable aspects of a psychopath. And it's it's really interesting.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

Kind of what it takes to actually perform at those levels for a long time.

SPEAKER_04 41:35

Yes. I think you'd I think you'd really like it.

SPEAKER_00 41:38

Is it just uh nonfiction?

SPEAKER_04 41:41

Yeah, nonfiction. It's written like thinking fast and slow or gift of fear.

SPEAKER_00 41:46

Kind of has a anecdotally anecdotally.

SPEAKER_04 41:49

It flows real well.

SPEAKER_00 41:50

It moves moves pretty light for what it is. All right.

SPEAKER_04 41:55

Um you want to talk about uh bibido games?

SPEAKER_00 41:59

Well, I want to update our bedtime sitcoms first.

SPEAKER_04 42:01

Oh, you do?

SPEAKER_00 42:02

Because I think that'll be less time. I feel like we'll have more to say about our bit our bitabo games. If you're if you're uh if you ever had little children in your life and the way they when they when they say things that aren't correct, then you never ever Wow Kind of um I sorry I'm trying to keep talking, but you just stood up in front of the game. You already? Yeah, I just uh Do you need a ballet bar?

SPEAKER_04 42:31

I think I do need a ballet bar.

SPEAKER_00 42:33

I hate all this too.

SPEAKER_04 42:34

I can't sit on myself when I have a ballet bar. That's just gross.

Bedtime Sitcom Rankings Updated

SPEAKER_00 42:39

Um anyway.

SPEAKER_04 42:40

That's it.

SPEAKER_00 42:41

Let's do bedtime sit comes.

SPEAKER_04 42:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

So we we we did an episode. Uh what episode was it? Do you remember?

SPEAKER_04 42:48

I'm really looking for that ballet bar. I don't know. I'm done. Ever since I'm just sitting there ever since I saw that centaur corral, I just thought, man, I don't want to sit anymore.

SPEAKER_00 43:00

Okay. I'm sorry. Are you okay? Can we come back to the code? Yeah, keep going. All right. So we have we did an episode where we took eight sitcoms, The Office, Arrested Development, Letter Kenny, Always Sunny, Philadelphia, Parks and Rec, Modern Family, 30 Rock, Brooklyn 99, and we ranked them um based on which I forgot that you didn't like tell me how you wanted me to rank it, so I went back to kind of rewatch it to remember my list.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 43:26

And I just ranked them based on shows I liked the best. And you ranked them with a different system. So we've come a long way with our communication. I'm just like, tell me what you want me to do and I'll do it. Otherwise, I'll do it the way I think I'm supposed to.

SPEAKER_04 43:39

I thought that I was doing it right because there are certain shows that even though you like them, we can't watch. Bedtime sitcoms are can you explain the bedtime sitcom?

SPEAKER_00 43:51

Well, bedtime sitcom is something we would watch before bed. It's kind of just like, you know, sitcom links, so just like twenty five minutes ish. And um we would Watch it for me, it's something that we would watch, and then I would go to sleep after that. And it's like kind of like a palette cleanser for bedtime.

SPEAKER_03 44:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 44:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 44:10

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 44:11

So that if you watched a scary movie, then that's not the last thing in your head. It's just like a very much something you can totally detach from. You don't have to follow a huge involved storyline, like it's not complicated. You know, a comedy sitcom. If you've ever watched one, yes, then you know.

SPEAKER_04 44:31

But we, you know, we covered a quite a range.

SPEAKER_00 44:33

We did.

SPEAKER_04 44:34

And there were some, you know, we we we if you want to go back and listen to it, it's episode eight, I believe. Okay. And you know, I put 30 Rock as my number one bedtime sitcom. That does not mean the 30 Rock is my favorite show among all of these. I liked Always Sunny in the office more, but I still ranked 30 Rock higher because it was so light. Like, once you watch it, it's pretty much out of your head, other than some funny quotes.

SPEAKER_00 45:04

You're not like, wow, that was pretty dark, or that was what it was. But like we didn't have that discussion the first time. I did not read that.

SPEAKER_04 45:12

I just thought it was inherent in what Bedtime sitcom was.

SPEAKER_00 45:15

I just thought we were ranking out of the ones we've watched. We've learned we've like you said we have two shows that we've completed since then.

SPEAKER_04 45:24

One is Community with Joel McHale, Chevy Chase, uh Donald Glover, uh Danny Pootie, uh Ken Keith David's in it. Ken John, is that how you say his name? Yes. Allison Bree, is that her name?

SPEAKER_00 45:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:43

Uh Gillian Jacobs or Gillian Gillian. I think it's probably Gillian. Yvette Nicole Brown, he might be Gillian. Jim Rash, Ken Jong, Jonathan Banks. I love Jonathan Banks. Keith David. Which one was Jonathan? Keith David. Um Mike from Breaking Bad, or uh Oh, right.

SPEAKER_00 46:00

Like he came in in the end. Like he kind of replaced Chevy Chase.

SPEAKER_04 46:03

Yeah, he was also like a season.

SPEAKER_00 46:04

A couple seasons.

SPEAKER_04 46:05

Yeah. And then Keith David kind of replaced him. Keith David's great.

SPEAKER_00 46:09

And then one that we talked about before. One that we talked about before, but we did not include, which was Rick and Morty. And then we just recently rewatched season seven and then watched season eight, right?

SPEAKER_04 46:22

Yes. We're, I think, called. So now we're caught up in real time. Yes. Do you know what's funny about those two shows?

SPEAKER_00 46:28

Why? What?

SPEAKER_04 46:29

They're both written by Dan Harmon.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

Well, yeah, I knew that.

SPEAKER_04 46:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:33

Which one's the one that got in trouble?

SPEAKER_04 46:34

Justin Royland. Justin Royland. Yes. Dan Harmon was not pleased with uh with his buddy Justin. With his friend Justin's behaviors.

SPEAKER_00 46:43

Probably not.

SPEAKER_04 46:44

No, I don't know why he wouldn't be.

SPEAKER_00 46:45

I don't remember what they were, but.

SPEAKER_04 46:47

I think he was um some domestic abuse or he was pretty legit.

unknown 46:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:52

Okay. He got in some trouble. Good?

SPEAKER_00 46:54

Good. Glad he got in trouble.

SPEAKER_04 46:57

So my list was my rankings were 30 Rock, Always Sunny, The Office. Sorry, this is going from number one to last. 30 Rock, Always Sunny, The Office, Arrested Development. Parks and Rec, Brooklyn 99, Letterkenny, and then Modern Family was last. And yours was the office number one, Arrested Development 2. Letterkenny and Always Sunny were tied for third or fourth, whatever you want to say there. Parks and Rec was next, then Modern Family, then 30 Rock, then Brooklyn 99. Where are you putting? First of all, what rubric rubric are you using?

SPEAKER_00 47:34

I'm just using, I'm just putting these the same way. Shows that I I'm putting them in within how I originally ranked it, which is shows that I like the best from the worst. I like them all.

SPEAKER_04 47:45

And you'll get a little bit of a spin that's different from me.

SPEAKER_00 47:47

That's right. That's why there's two people. That's why God made us all different. Okay, so I put uh well, I'll say where I put community first.

SPEAKER_01 47:54

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 47:55

I made it fourth. So it followed the office and rest of development. Then I put community in, and then Rick and Morty I made second behind the office.

SPEAKER_04 48:06

Whoa. Wow.

unknown 48:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 48:10

You really like your Rick and Morty, huh?

SPEAKER_00 48:12

I just get really excited to watch them.

SPEAKER_04 48:14

I love Rick and Morty. Rick and Morty. Oof.

SPEAKER_00 48:21

I don't know. I might I might want to move community below Letterkenny and Always Sunny Tie, but they're all kind of right there together. For me, Parks Rack, Modern Family, 30 Rack, Brockly 99, they're all kind of like, eh, they were great, but I don't ever really care about turning them back on.

SPEAKER_04 48:35

You could sit there and just re-watch Rick and Morty's first.

SPEAKER_00 48:37

Everything from Always Sunny back up to the top, I would, I would choose to rewatch.

SPEAKER_04 48:42

So now we got the rewatchability factor. We hadn't talked about that, but it's a great things are missing.

SPEAKER_00 48:47

It's a new list growing. Things are always evolving. So yeah, that's why I put it. Rick and Morty to community four.

SPEAKER_04 48:55

Rick and Morty. Okay, so if I were to pick.

SPEAKER_00 48:59

You can use your same rubric that you choose the first time.

SPEAKER_04 49:02

Just to let you know, there's a very good chance, if I give it a little more thought, Rick and Morty might wind up being my number one favorite show of all these.

SPEAKER_00 49:11

Just because the sci-fi is it just scratches and itch. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:17

It's super funny and not it's like doesn't even care that you think it's funny. Yeah. But it is.

SPEAKER_01 49:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:24

I just love.

unknown 49:26

Oh man.

SPEAKER_04 49:28

I love everything. I love everything about it, but the thing about it is, is that there are some episodes that are like that are really dark and heavy. Like you know, like the Suicide Spaghetti one.

SPEAKER_00 49:40

Yeah, I forgot about that one. We watched it again. I was like, this one I would not probably rewatch.

SPEAKER_04 49:44

Or even the one where they go to like um the fairy tale land where uh with the giant land. Is that where Morty gets like almost molested in the bathroom and by a jelly bean?

SPEAKER_00 49:58

And then Rick, but Rick delivers some vengeance there. I do like that.

SPEAKER_04 50:02

Well, I think uh Morty beats him up and then oh yeah, and then he pops right back through and just destroys it.

SPEAKER_00 50:11

Or the one where he lives that whole life inside the simulator.

SPEAKER_04 50:14

Oh, you know what?

SPEAKER_00 50:15

And he gets out and it's been like two minutes.

SPEAKER_04 50:17

Yes. Yes, well, they went back and did a whole entire episode on that. First it was just like a little vignette kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 50:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:24

And then they went back and did a right, it wasn't a complete episode.

SPEAKER_00 50:28

Seems familiar. I'm just gonna agree with you because I don't remember.

SPEAKER_04 50:30

What was the name of uh because I that might have been the episode that had Angela during a gunfight? You know the song Angela? Uh taxi theme song. Yes. And they even like, hey, kids, so they don't know that the Angela song really slaps. I was like, yes, and then they have like a big because I every there's a pretty writing. There's pretty much an epic action scene in every single episode, at least one, which is also cool because they're really done well. Like, they were done so well. The very first episode I ever saw Rick and Morty.

SPEAKER_00 50:59

Pickle Rick?

SPEAKER_04 51:00

Yeah, it was pickle rick.

SPEAKER_00 51:01

I was vomiting.

SPEAKER_04 51:02

And I yeah, I saw because I I was I was on IMDb and I saw I was looking at the top the best shows of all time, and it was like Game of Thrones, Rick and Morty. And I was like, it's I looked it up, and then that night I turned on Adult Swim while you're Hurlin, and I Pickle Rick was the first episode that came. And I was like, I watched it and I thought, oh, this is why this is for me.

SPEAKER_00 51:31

This is for me, pickle Rick.

SPEAKER_04 51:33

This is just for me. But Pickle Rick, of course, is like probably the most famous episode. But it's so I I would put now community, community was really great. The the highs are incredibly high.

SPEAKER_00 51:49

Like season two and three, the whole Troy and Abed thing was that developed kind of out of nowhere, and it was wonderful.

SPEAKER_04 51:57

Really good. Yeah, really good. And you always wanted to stick around for it to see what happens, you know, the the after like the credits. Yes, the Troy and Abedney. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:07

Um that's a that's kind of a lost art these days. I feel like a lot of shows used to have end credits stuff like that, and now it's like it's like an Easter egg.

SPEAKER_04 52:16

Yeah, the but yeah, the I I some of those episodes were just done so well, and you could see like I think I mentioned this last time that uh sometime when we were talking about community that Dan Harman seemed to be sort of cutting his teeth on like Rick and Morty, because they just take you you want to call them parodies, but they're they're more than that. It's like a it's like something between an homage and a parody, yeah. And just its own original thing. Yeah. And he does that so many times. It's like in and the way they used to title him, he still titles in this, but like some Rick Morty variation of Rick to the Morture or something like that. You know, it's like okay, they're spoofing back to the future, got it. Um but actually this whole thing started with like a elaborate back to the future joke kind of like short. Rick and Morty. Yeah, it was like I think Justin Royland might have come up with a concept and I don't know. Anyways, gr uh I would put them. Here's where I'm gonna put them. I'm gonna say modern families not modern families, sorry. Community I was actually gonna put community higher. Just because even though I like Rick and Morty much more.

SPEAKER_00 53:34

You're less invested in community.

SPEAKER_04 53:36

Community, you just quite like that. I mean, like even No, it's when Pierce died, I was just like, is he even dead? Also, he's kind of a piece of it.

SPEAKER_00 53:46

Yeah, but I don't really care. It's borderline, it's pro I mean, they kind of even allude to it in the show, like they're all kind of jerks.

SPEAKER_04 53:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:54

Like none of them are like great people.

SPEAKER_04 53:56

Uh-uh. Not quite as much as like um Game of Thrones. Always sunny in Philadelphia.

SPEAKER_00 54:01

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:02

Uh actually, uh, we were talking about a little hatred, very much Game of Thrones style.

SPEAKER_01 54:07

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 54:08

It's if you like Game of Thrones, you should read that all those series. But anyways, they Yeah, always I think Pierce would be a great always sunny character.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

Yeah, he kind of basically is one of the characters.

SPEAKER_04 54:19

Yeah. I think the thing that kind of screwed up that my least favorite thing about community was like all the Chang stuff.

SPEAKER_00 54:27

It just got when he was not a teacher anyway.

SPEAKER_04 54:29

Sometimes it was funny. Yeah. Dude, the when he's like taking over the It just felt the force. This college and everything.

SPEAKER_00 54:39

That was my least favorite as well. I also did not really like it when Troy left.

SPEAKER_04 54:45

No, me neither. I kind of always thought he'd pop in every now and then.

SPEAKER_00 54:49

Yeah. And they definitely mess with the chemistry. Now, I think they helped it when your boy came back. What was his name that you liked? From uh Breaking Bad?

SPEAKER_04 54:58

Oh, uh Jonathan Banks.

SPEAKER_00 55:01

When he came on, that helped a lot.

SPEAKER_04 55:02

Yeah, it did. They did a really good job bringing fresh people on.

SPEAKER_00 55:07

And what's what's the guy that lived in the camper?

SPEAKER_04 55:10

That was Elroy or uh Keith David.

SPEAKER_00 55:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:13

And then the uh what's her name? Uh oh crap, Paige?

SPEAKER_00 55:18

Uh oh, like the one that came in to like fix the budget and stuff like that. Frankie. Frankie. Frankie, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:24

She was fine. I mean, nothing special, but they they wrapped it up. They finished it.

SPEAKER_00 55:29

It was and I love Joel McHale.

SPEAKER_04 55:32

Joel McHale's great. I uh so I'm gonna put it, okay. I'm gonna put I'm gonna keep 30 Rock, always Sunny, the office, the rest of Gosh. It feels weird putting Rick and Morty so low, but I'm gonna do Rick and Morty. I'm gonna do community, Rick and Morty, then Parks and Rec, then Brooklyn Night and I let her kidney Modern family.

SPEAKER_01 55:55

Alright.

SPEAKER_04 55:56

So Rick, uh community is taking the five spot, Rick and Morty's taking six. Brooklyn or Parks and Rec gets bumped to seven and so on. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 56:06

Yep. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_04 56:07

There you go.

Great Courses As Sleep TV

SPEAKER_00 56:08

Alright, well, if we keep watching, we are not watching anything right now, but we're gonna start watching what we do in the show. What we do in the shadows? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:14

We'll see how that goes.

SPEAKER_00 56:15

If we can get through all those how it's made. My sleep shows are shows like that. So how it's made. Sleep shows would be an interesting. Yeah, list shows, that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_04 56:28

Yeah. Yeah. Are you getting tired of uh great courses?

SPEAKER_00 56:32

No.

SPEAKER_04 56:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 56:33

Are you?

SPEAKER_04 56:34

No.

SPEAKER_00 56:35

I like the bug one.

SPEAKER_04 56:36

The insects. Still talking about bugs. I think I'm on episode four.

SPEAKER_00 56:40

Yeah, so the great courses, you can purchase the channel. You can subscribe to a channel where it's like all the great courses lectures that you could listen to in just like uh watchable. Like an audiobook or yeah, but they're just you're just watching the hosts present their information.

SPEAKER_04 56:56

Yeah, they're professors. Yeah. And it's it's some of the newer ones, they're they're really well done.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

Oh, really? I didn't realize there were new ones.

SPEAKER_04 57:02

Oh yeah, they're making they make new ones.

SPEAKER_00 57:04

Do they throw them into the channel?

SPEAKER_04 57:06

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 57:06

What are the newer ones? Is the bug one a new one?

SPEAKER_04 57:08

It's a newer one. I think it's post-2020 anyway. Maybe 2022. Uh the John McWater ones, he's come out with a couple new ones in the last two years. He's the language guy that I like a lot.

SPEAKER_00 57:21

Which one's the guy that you didn't realize was from like the Netherlands?

SPEAKER_04 57:25

That was like uh Bible archaeology. Archaeology of the Bible, I think, is what it was.

SPEAKER_00 57:31

We were like, I was like asking you where this guy was from, and you were like, I was like 23 lectures deep. Yeah. And you're like, I'm just like the United States. I don't think he has an accent. And you were like, no, I are you sure? I'm like, yeah. Like very clearly does. Rob just thought that this incredibly well red well presentation person just talked about.

SPEAKER_04 57:58

Just the goofy Bible guy.

SPEAKER_00 57:59

He's just like he loves the Bible. Can't talk right.

SPEAKER_04 58:03

Anyways. So do you want to talk any more about that?

SPEAKER_00 58:07

No, I think that was a good update. So if you're looking for something to watch and burn through e each and every single one of those, those are our those are our picks so far.

SPEAKER_03 58:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:15

And we'll we'll update you in in the future. We have 30 minutes left.

SPEAKER_04 58:20

Wow. Well, we gotta talk about oh we got two things left to talk about. Shoot, well, we gotta talk about video games. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 58:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:26

Hogwarts and disco Elysium.

SPEAKER_00 58:29

Do you want to start with Hogwarts? We'll start with Hogwarts.

SPEAKER_04 58:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 58:32

So Hogwarts Legacy. It was a game I started playing when it came out in 2023. Um, I don't play video games like that, so it was very hard and scary.

SPEAKER_04 58:43

I was very proud of you.

SPEAKER_00 58:44

Were you?

SPEAKER_04 58:45

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:46

This is the first game I think it's an RPG. You will you describe it for the people who know how to describe video games?

SPEAKER_04 58:52

Well, this is for not Tetris. You folks out there who know how to describe video games, this one's for you.

SPEAKER_00 58:57

Well, tune in, Jeffrey.

SPEAKER_04 59:02

Um what Hogwarts is? Yeah, it's like an RPG, but it's an RPG, it's a role-playing game. So you take you create a character and you l play the game as that character. You can, you know, actually literally create any type of child uh teenager.

SPEAKER_00 59:20

You're a teenager, you're a fifth year, you come in as a fifth year. Oh. Which is part of the storyline. Everybody's like, oh, he must be the new fifth year. I can't believe they let someone in the school in a fifth year. You hear like grumbling Slytherins all over the hair.

SPEAKER_04 59:33

Well, for what it's worth, I do really hate fifth years. So they got that right.

SPEAKER_00 59:36

They're true.

SPEAKER_04 59:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:37

That's true. I hate a fifth year.

SPEAKER_04 59:39

A hundred years. A hundred years before Harry Potter. Harry Potter. Before Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_00 59:43

So it's like right at the end of the 1800s. It's like 1890 something.

SPEAKER_04 59:47

And so you got a little bit of some crossover. Like there's a look like a Weasley in it or something.

SPEAKER_00 59:52

Yeah, there's a Weasley's one of the professors. There's black as the headmaster. Serious black relative, I'm assuming.

SPEAKER_04 59:59

Ah, gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:01

Uh there's there is there's a couple other drops like that that you that you pick up. But anyway, I was what I was wanted to know from you is is it a lighter version of an RPG?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:16

I wouldn't call it like a heavy RPG, but our RPGs really well, just keep this in mind. Disco Elysium and Hogwarts are both of the RPG genre. Very different games.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:28

Very different games.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:29

Very different. Hogwarts is live action. You're controlling the camera. It's, you know, you got basically twin-axis controls, which that's the first game you've ever played like that, isn't it? So that's that's a huge milestone right there.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:42

So there was a lot, yeah. I so as someone who doesn't play, ever had ever played that kind of I'd only really ever played side-scrolling games and puzzle games.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:50

People who've been playing video games since, well, let's just say Half-Life. So like late 90s, which would be like the first game to really incorporate that. And then after that, no one looked back. Was that was the forget what it's like. Forget how hard the learning curve is. Yeah. Like you can figure out how to move around and walk at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:12

It's very hard.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:13

And you you have shut yourself out of a lot of games.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:16

So that was a huge learning curve, and I didn't realize you could change the settings. And you came in one day when I was trying to beat that troll at the very beginning of the game, and you're like, you know, you can put this on an easy. I was like, do it, do it. And then I like immediately beat the troll, and I was like, oh, and then I never looked back.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:29

There's story too. Yeah, there's I don't know. I think that's just like basically no challenge whatsoever. Like I don't I think it's just basically to just coast through the game.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:38

I think I'm kind of doing that now. I didn't choose it that, but I think I'm kind of approaching it like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:44

Wesley kind of looks she looks like a stud. She looks like the it's still on easy mode. Yeah, but what you're playing so the combat system in this game, I think is great. I think it's really cool. It's a lot of fun. Once you get the rhythm down, you really start to feel like like you run.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:59

You're running the section called What's that world?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:04

Hogsmead? Oh, is it Hogsmead? What's that whole like just that big country area of the city?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:10

Oh, the um Hogwarts, no, what do they call it? The Highlands? They called the Highlands, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:15

You'd feel like you're like the the just the topic.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:18

You're kind of like the crime boss of the Highlands.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:20

Yeah. Or the crime boss?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:21

Well, because here's what I do. And I'll I was gonna get to this, but what I do now that I know how to play and I remembered how to use it, because I didn't I played it in 2023 and I beat it, and then I stopped playing it, and I didn't really play, I haven't really played any other types of video games, but then I was like, you know what, I have a hankering. Actually, what got me back into it was um trying to get steps in in the house and watching people doing walkthroughs of Hogwarts Legacy, and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna play this again. So anyway, but what I do now is I just go to all the bad people camps and then I just kill them all, and then I just take all their stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:59

That's why I just this is the way. And so then I get I meet all my dual challenges and stuff, and I'm way better at that now than I was before.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:08

Yeah, I saw Leslie go into a goblin camp, and she was just crashing overheads.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:13

I killed two trolls the other day. I'm just really good at it now. But it's I would say if you're someone who's never played video games like that, which if you even have any passing interest in Harry Potter and you kind of want to play an RPG, like this is it does it satisfy your Harry Potter desires? Like, yeah, oh yeah, because you learn all the spells that they do in the it's like it's like everything about the books except for Ron except for the modern day characters. But Hogwarts is the same. You know, you're attending Hogwarts, so you're a student there. You take all the same types of classes that they take, you learn all the spells, you have to fight um, you know, dark wizards and goblins, and um, you get to write a hippogriff, you get to use the room of requirement. There's house elves. So yes, it's very, very, very Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:07

You you're not big into the room of requirement, are you?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:09

I don't care that much about the room of requirement. Like I do the things that I have to do in there. Like I do brew my potions and grow my plants in there.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:16

Um You don't use plants a lot though, do you? What's your build? What are your what are your kind of spells do you use?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:23

Oh, I liked the I liked well the first thing I wanted to do was get all my talent points so I could buy all my spell sets so I could have four times four, sixteen spells that you could cycle through. Because you can cast a spell, but then it takes time to charge back up before you can cast it again. So I like to cast all four of those spells on my spell set, switch to the other spells.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:43

Switch to the next set. I like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:44

Cast at all those and just go around.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:46

Yeah, where you can basically you can you can have like hot swappable spells.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:51

Because you can only have four up at a time, but you can switch them quickly too.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:54

You can add isn't there a there at some point or some level or something, you add you can add an additional set, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:00

Well, you you I've got them all.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:02

I would have like my breaking into houses set. Like my kind of like non-combat.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:06

Like your disillusion, like uh high like your invisibility one.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:10

So depending on what you're up to, it's basically like a toolkit. Yeah like a little tool bag.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:14

It is.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:14

And that's a really cool touch. You have I think again, the combat system's great. It reminds me a lot of the Arkham games. You saw I think that was the last game I really went full tilt on right before we started having kids. Yeah. And then I never played a video game again. Um darn you children.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:31

Ruined our lives.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:34

But uh it reminds me a lot of that system where you just it's it's like almost a rhythm game, sort of, in a way.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:40

You said that. I don't relate to it.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:44

Just think about how you play guitar here or rock band or something like that. When okay, when this pops up, do this. And if you don't, you're gonna get it. But if you hit it, then you hit it just right, then you can actually counter it and then ride that combo. So you're riding these combos, there's a flow to it.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:58

So when you so what when I I played it the first time. I had no idea what I was doing, still trying to learn how to use the controller. I was freaking out all the time that I was like gonna make a mistake that I couldn't undo. But there's nothing like that. That doesn't ever actually happen. You could just redo everything a million times, even if you don't save every five minutes, like some people who co-hosts. Five minutes five minutes is generous. More like two minutes.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:22

Sometimes seconds.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:24

Um I'm a save guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:26

So it's very, very user-friendly, very entry-level if you're someone that wants to play a video game. Or maybe you want to play a video game with your family. Well, I was wondering now that I'm playing it again, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:39

There's a lot I want to talk about on it, but we we we don't have to.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:42

But well, feel free, but let me just fit say this. Now that I'm playing it again, I it's the same game. So the same quests, the same essentially the same game. You have to play it the same way to win. But now that I know that, I'm like not quickly moving through the assignments. I'm just kind of doing a lot of my own thing until I get to a point where I can't because I have to go back and complete an assignment. But I will say, you're gonna like this. It's a little linear.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:13

It's a little linear.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:14

Yeah. You have to pretty much do the things for the most part. There's a there's a little wiggle room with side quests, but even some of those you can't do without staying on the main path.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:25

And that's where I would call it kind of a lighter RPG. That's what I wondered, yeah. Um there's a million ways to gut an RPG to see if you know how in-depth it is or however you want to measure it, but that's just it. There's so many ways to measure it. This is a very action-oriented RPG.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:42

Is it?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:43

You get a broom, it's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:45

It's all real time, it's quick, it's you know, it just it just moves as fast as you want it to. And it it's really accessible, really easy for anybody to just pop in and play, and you're kind of immediately having fun, more or less.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:59

You don't there's you you could you could play the game without like to your point, you could play the game without really knowing what you're doing until while you figure it out. Where you play a game like Baldur's Gate 3 or or even maybe Disco Elysium, although kind of figuring out how to play is part of the game, I'm realizing as we play that. But the things I don't love about it are how shallow it is. Like I don't love you, can't really play an evil character. Yeah. And even when you pick like the nasty comp.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:30

It just works, it just works it out conversations. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:33

And I I don't there's a lot of immersion-breaking stuff in conversations where it's like, you know, I beat that crap out of that girl's record. So I do all the all the time trials on the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:44

Flying flying races.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:46

You beat this girl's time by like, what, 45 seconds or something? And she's like, beginner's luck, you know, whatever. And it's just come on, dude. They do they should have a separate, just an extra script. Like, if if you beat them by 20 seconds, then they're like, okay, well. I wish games would do stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:04

Well, and then there's also like how clunky it is when you're trying to they like oh, you can do a lot with capturing magical creatures, but it's really hard to capture them. The controllers aren't like the way they have it set up, because like you have they have a cool, it's kind of fun to unlock doors because you have to use the um joysticks in just the right place until they both like vibrate until it unlocks. It's kind of fun, and like when you're learning your spells, you have to, you know, it's yeah, it's a neat little mini-game kind of. Yeah, but like getting the beasts, it's like impossible. There it's very hard for in comparison to the rest of the game. Like, I never mastered that. And I feel like I've mastered everything else at the easy level.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:42

And you kind of need it sort of to reach out to maximize your to make some of the stuff because you need their feathers and their fur, and you can't get that without putting them in your room of requirement.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:53

Habitat.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:54

And and you you made another point where okay, you you're catching these animals, they're running from you, but then as soon as you get them in your room of requirement, they love you.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:01

Yeah, they let you play with them.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:03

But there's no real lore to explain it or anything. It just that's not that big of a deal. Nitpicking for sure. But the stuff that that I yeah, I didn't like that I don't like that there's just some big plasma wall that's stopping you from going further into the hill, the highway.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:20

No, some of that is unlocked as you go. Some of it you can't do until you've completed something. But then, like I tried to fly across the ocean the other day and you hit a plasma wall.

Linear Quests And Immersion Breaks

SPEAKER_04 1:10:29

But they don't say anything like I wish they said something just some little snippet that just said students can't go beyond this. Students can't go beyond this, so we've erected this. Yeah, make it like part of the source of yeah, that's growing, or just work it into it so it's not just some arbitrary stop.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:47

The other thing I don't like is if you happen to encounter things in the game that you haven't yet encountered as part of a quest or something, they just act like it's part like I was like in the middle of I like came upon centaurs fighting with spiders or whatever. And like I killed the rest, I killed everything, and then the centaurs don't interact with me. You cannot talk to the centaurs, they just you're so then I started following them and they just keep going until I got I finally got bored. But they don't turn around, like you can't talk to them or anything. But then later on, you'll there'll be like a quest where you have to talk to a centaur.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:25

It it'd be cool if they said, like, and I'm assuming they don't, but it'd be cool if they said Thanks for coming. Hey, that was cool that one time we had this. There's some games that will build that in, and it's the coolest thing I think it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:37

I kind of think that probably this particular game is because Harry Potter is such a mass marketed thing, they probably were like, we can't make this too like niche video game, like because it's already on this huge marketed scale.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:54

And it was pretty polished, like it was ready to go. Like you didn't there weren't a lot, it was it wasn't too glitchy, right? I don't remember having any glitch. It's way better than I thought it would be when the first time I was.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:02

The only glitches are like sometimes if you're trying to jump over a wall, you get stuck and then you're just walking in the air.

unknown 1:12:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:07

And you have to like I mean, there's been times, not this time since I've got it's been updated and stuff, but I had to like totally stop it and go back and like a reset or travel somewhere to get unstuck from there. Other than that, I don't remember any.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:21

I don't love puzzles either.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:22

And this game, this can be that's one thing I do like is not all just wand fighting. There's like you have to sneak around. There's there's things all over the whole map that you have to find those monkey demights moon things.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:36

Stuff like that's kind of fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:38

Yeah, and it's cool, and you get something. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you get something for finding that stuff. I never beat it, but I I think You usually get a spell.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:45

Like that's how I learn how to unlock the doors, and you gotta take those things back to that guy, and then you get level two of unlocking the locks. And anyway, it's really fun. I play it for about an hour, and then I'm like, eh, I'm done. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:59

There's value to a game that you can walk away from.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:02

Yeah. I think probably too, because I've already done it, so I know what's gonna come. And some of it I'm not really like, I don't really want to fight that dragon again at the end. Like that was that was kind of hard, and just had to keep redoing it. And then there was there's a couple quests, like side quests that I never did finish. Because I I mean I beat everything but like two things in when I did it the first time. And there's this thing called the Dedalion Keys. I literally cannot find the last one because it's in the castle and I cannot figure out the map of the castle. Did you ever figure it out? Like, could you?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:34

I never been that far.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:36

But I mean, just walking around Hogwarts is confusing for me.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:39

I you know, there's the we I talk we talked about the this the kind of general video gaming skill of being able to operate to there's a bit of the game has a decent map system, though it's a little frustrating. But I no, I don't think I've ever found myself completely lost. Like I kind of know how to use I never but there are some points, if I remember right, where you're like, okay, I the fluel here, but why it turns out here, but why do I have to walk around this corner? Why can't they just put another flu flame there?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:08

Well, or like call it it's difficult to tell on the map which flu flame you want because there's so many floors up and down that you pick the wrong one.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:20

Yeah, I guess it's a little confusing.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:21

But then even when I'm just like, well, if I I I could not find my way, I couldn't just walk around and be like, oh, I need to turn right at this door. Like I have no idea. And so because of that, I couldn't I've never found the last Adalian key, which finds this one last thing, and then there's one other thing I never finished because I was got bored with it, but I did do every single other thing first time.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:43

Anyway, cool, it's a good game, it's not bad. I like it, I think it's super cool if you play it.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:48

Thanks. I'm a gamer.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:50

I'm proud of you.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:51

Disco Elysium.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:52

Disco Elysium. We are playing that together.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:57

It's ongoing.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:58

It's ongoing.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:59

We're probably not really that far, are we?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:00

No, we're not far at all. We're really which so there's really not too much to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:07

We could just I have some initial impressions. I would like to know them. Okay, so I feel like and you kind of said this already. I don't really know how to play the game. If it was just me playing by myself, because you and I have been playing together, it's a single player game, but it's sort of like a choose your own adventure. You have to you get asked questions and then you have to pick what you want to do, and it drastically affects what's happening.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:34

Yeah, that's which I love.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:36

I said it's kind of a terrible game for someone like me who generally operates with decision fatigue. So having to constantly weigh out, like, if I do this though, is this but like uh Well, that's the thing about this game is that you're kind of supposed to screw up.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:56

Like that's part of the game. I did say if I was opportunities come from failures and that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:02

I think I might have less issue with the decision fatigue if I was playing it by myself. Because I would probably just say, just go with like whatever you like the best, just go with it.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:12

Don't that's how you're supposed to play.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:13

And actually we're probably ruining it by like laughing and perseverating over every single answer.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:18

It's hilarious. I love it. It's very well written. It's so funny, man. That game is so great and wild. But the the reason I like playing with you is because I'm such a save scummer. Like I'm I and I'm always trying to get like the best possible version of things and the most overpowered, whatever. Where I gotta I gotta let some of that go. And you could see it that I want to do it. I have done it. Yeah. So we're like, I'm gonna quick save this. And I'm like, I'm gonna pass this shit. Like, I'm sorry, but 52%, I'm gonna reload it if I don't get it. Where there's other parts, which I know, whatever. But there's other parts where I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna let it go. We're just gonna I I'm gonna fail it. Uh if I fail it, that's no big deal.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:03

Now I have noticed there's a bit more redemption opportunities than I thought there was gonna be.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:09

Not just from you saving enough.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:10

So that's what we're finding, yeah. I again we're we haven't even beat day beat. We haven't even made it through day two day one. And so How does the time pass?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:20

We played for four hours. Is it real time?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:22

It it passes by walking and talking and basically doing any sort of air.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:28

But I mean, is it like is it two times real time or you wouldn't have to sit and play the equivalent of eight hours before it would tell you that you got the whole day.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:40

No, but maybe.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:41

I don't know. We've probably played four hours.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:43

It's relative. It's relative to to how much you accomplish. It's relative to the volume of stuff. Stuff that you're doing in that time. So if I were if we're just sitting there reading Kuno, you know, biography and Kuno as well. And then Clark comes up and asks a question for we're talking about getting cash out for 20 minutes or something. That's just that's no time at all.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:07

Though just clicking, talking to Kuno is time passed, but that's it.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:11

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:11

So that's why we're just I think because we deliberate between every single question, it's just taking forever. I don't really care. I used to play these games. There's these this game is a kind of a it's sort of like one of a kind, but it's comes from what it really reminds me of is these these old games, like turn-based games. Uh not well, turn-based, yes, but uh point and click adventures, where like I I mentioned, I asked you if you've ever played King's Quest.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:41

And I hadn't shocker to all the people in the audience.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:44

Day of the Tentacle or Full Throttle or all these games that like LucasArts and Sierra used to make. There's tons of the game point and click adventures were huge, huge in like the 90s. And I would play these with my friends.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:58

And we just sit in front of a computer and be like, listen. And just like click on that, see if there's anything you can do.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:02

I mean, it sounds very Dungeons Dragonsy, is it?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:05

Well, yes, except those games had no RPG elements. Yeah. It was just more like you're going through and messing around and picking dialogue, you're kind of solving puzzles.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:14

But this adds the RPG element, and the way they do it is with voices and personalities. Yeah. So now you're you're not you're not so much building a character to fight things, you're building a personality to get through the figure the game out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:29

And you can like choose all these traits.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:31

Totally original. Like, I've never played anything like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:34

Yeah, it's it's hard though.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:36

It is, but it's also kind of like you figure it out. It's sort of supposed to be hard.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:41

Because you're trying to get better at stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:44

You're a cop that literally doesn't know his name. Anything about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:47

Wake up with amnesia, you don't know anything about it. And there's like a crime immediately outside your door, and you have to you're apparently have already been there to investigate it, but you have no memory of, you don't know your name, you've lost all your things, and then another another cop shows up to work with you, and he's like, and you're trying you just have to decide how much you want to reveal about your memory loss, and you just get ridiculous options.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:11

Sometimes the options are just all bad.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:13

Yeah, and then sometimes it's like it makes leads you to believe that you could choose the right one, and then you don't, and then it takes you back, and then you choose the next one, and it just it's just dead end after dead end until you finally like, okay, I guess this is a dead end.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:26

Even though it looks like it should but then again, here's the thing we w uh being only having only played for not even a day in the game, I think the way it works is there's I I I I'm just guessing, but you know, I was looking at all those stupid uh board games in that store.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:45

Who knows if down the road something happens where it's like we need to go back to the street. The killer was a huge fan of board games. You know what I mean? Like, so there's so much that I think is hidden within it, and there's multiple ways to arrive at this point.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:57

I do feel like we it it does get slightly more interactive because we found that thing in the drawer, we could put it in the computer hard drive, and and it but like that was the first time we'd really done had a thing like that to do.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:11

Or with the gun.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:12

I would never have even thought the body down. I would never even have thought up to that point that we could use something.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:20

Yeah, well, that's another thing. We're starting to kind of figure the game out. Yeah. Yeah. It's um I I really love it. I appreciate that you want to continue playing it.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:31

Was that a I don't think you like it as much as I do.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:36

I I want to beat it. This is the third time I've tried playing this game.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:39

Oh, wow. We gotta beat it now. We got to.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:41

Yeah, well, I've never this is about the farthest I've ever gotten.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:45

Because I just can't invest into it like that. I can't.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:48

I I want to. I just I can't do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:51

I feel like I get like a punk going up and should I feel that way when I go play my hour of Harry Potter every other day?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:58

It's just not there's not time for it. But if when the time goes by, I'll I'll think, oh crap, I don't I don't remember how I'm gonna have to catch up with it. And I get kind of intimidated by between playtime. Yeah. Yeah. Like I feel like I have to keep this going because you sort of lose your ability to know how to play.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:16

I think when the next time we finish another couple shows. Don't get old.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:19

Don't ever get old. Just I miss the games we could play for 13 straight hours.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:22

Yeah, guys, don't get old. Top tip. It's our top tip. I will say though, in the in the next several months, I'm sure we'll have a few more shows to add and a few more video games to talk about.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:32

Maybe we'll be to have beaten disco Elysium.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:34

Oh, we can talk about that. And and maybe I can try again on Starfield. That was so overwhelming.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:41

Wait, did you try playing Starfield?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:44

For like 10 minutes. So I I wanted it to be more cartoony looking, like how Hogwarts is a bit more cartoony looking.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:53

I know what you mean. And it's it's a bit more Oh, it's pretty the graphics in Starfield are actually pretty solid. They're pretty real.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:00

That's what I mean. It was too real. Too real.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:02

Um Starfield.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:03

And it was like I thought I had it in my head it was gonna be like ready player one. I was gonna like go to a nightclub immediately and like I don't know. I just thought it was gonna be completely different.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:14

A bit more well, they they just released a huge update. Yeah, it's a lot of they've cleared up a lot of problems that I had with it. I haven't played the game since we're talking about Starfield now. So I haven't played the game since the launch week, pretty much. I mean, I played it that's not true, launch month. I think I got like 30 hours in, and I was just like, I like this, but there's so much we're not gonna I'm not gonna get into all my gripes, but uh my thought was you know I picked up Skyrim for the first time after it been out for 10 years.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:48

Uh so by the time I played it, it was pretty well crafted.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:52

Yeah, all these modders had done these crazy things. So I'm like, I'm gonna take two years off of Starfield at least, see what develops. They've fixed a ton of stuff since then. So I really do want to get back into playing it.

Covering To Be With You

SPEAKER_00 1:24:06

So maybe maybe if you guys stick to it. We will do it. We will. Alright, we got a few minutes left. Let's cover our song today.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:13

We played uh To Be With You.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:16

To be with you by Mr. Biggs.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:17

By Mr. Biggs.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:18

The band, not the individual from the movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:21

From from the game Narc.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:23

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:23

We should play Narc together sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:25

Okay. Sounds like I would hate it.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:27

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:28

The look on your face. They're there wands.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:31

It's a late 80s, early 90s game where you're two uh drug uh uh agents, like DEA agents, and you got you drive a Porsche and you got machine guns, you just blow up. Sign me up every every cars. This game, Narc was completely ahead of its time. Or behind the time, depending on how you look. It was a I cannot believe this game was just like in a pizza hut. Like there'd be terrible PCP, like every every stage features a like a uh a new villain. So like the first one is like these creepy dudes in trench coats who throw like um I they have like coke or something, and then there's these dudes who throw syringes, and then there's these guys high on PCP who throw dumpsters at you, and then there's like these like pedo clowns, like murdering clown kind of guy. And it's hyper violent, guts flying everywhere, cocaine everywhere. Wow. It's it's it's but it's like anti, it's like it's like sponsored by Dare.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:30

But somehow it seems like super cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:33

If I do PCP, can I lift a dumpster? That's my thing. I think so.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:36

Yeah, that's PCP looks cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:40

All right, to be with you by Mr. Big.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:43

Yeah. So I'm like, how did we start but oh cause Narc. Mr. Big, I think, is the main boss. Okay. I remember right. Okay. So this was uh yeah. I have always I haven't always liked this song. I haven't always known about this song.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:01

Remember when we did it together?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:03

I do.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:04

Oh, I gotta find I have that CD somewhere of us doing it.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:07

Do you? Yep, I think that's it. We did it at uh at the student. Is that Baker Center? Yeah, the Baker Center. And that that was I think I've been playing guitar for like kind of like two years, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:17

You're better than me.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:18

There's a point where like playing a uh because you know this song starts in C sharp minor.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:22

Yeah, it's not the easiest key to play.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:25

That's that's a bar chord.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:27

It's a bar chord, guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:28

And it's just like take everything for me to do that, and then you got the B also. And that's that's a bar chord.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:35

It is.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:35

Right?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:36

And it doesn't have to be, but it's unless you want to do a BC.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:39

And the the stuff that was going on the bass line with the Yeah. Like that that was tricky as the first time I ever played with this. I won't. I'm spacing too much. First time I ever played with my thumb, kind of having to hook the thumb while you play that. Um I didn't play the solo and we didn't do the key change. We did uh so for this version of the We did it right this time. I played the solo.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:02

Because we've both matured in our musical skills to an extent. It still it still caused me to wad up my lyric sheet and throw it on the ground. At one point, I was mad at myself.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:15

It's tricky. Like this song's kind of it's pretty tricky. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:18

Like So it's in the key of E, but it used it starts in C sharp minor, which is the relative minor of E.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:24

You know what? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:25

And then there's a key change to the key of G.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:29

Which is kind of an unusual place to go. A lot of times keychain up a half step or a whole step. This was what, one?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:38

It's uh it's a step and a half. A step and a half.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:41

It's pretty rare.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:42

It's it's not common. And then it goes back to the original key. So I don't really know what their heads were thinking about. It was difficult for me to find home. And I give you major props because you were doing the initial singing on your Each key change, and if you hadn't done it right, there'd be no way I was finding what I was gonna do.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:04

I've heard this song a billion times.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:06

You do learn it, you do get like a muscle memory for it.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:08

And I had to, I was cheating because like I said, like when uh when when so it's uh and then it's what I would do or sorry it ends on the B. I would slide.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:25

Yeah, so you can hear you started on the G, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:30

Yeah, but I would slide into it. That way I can hear it and then I can start singing it.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:34

But I mean you start on the high G, which you slide, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:37

Yes, up here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yes. I started the song that way too with a Yeah. You know, I like those slides.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:46

You're a big slide man, and I do like them too. They serve a purpose.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:50

If you do them wrong, but but they also they kind of hide, yeah. They hide my my edibility.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:56

They're like the pedal on a keyboard.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:57

They hide the fact that I don't have perfect.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:59

Your pedal, your sustained pedal on the piano hides your mistakes.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:01

Really?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:02

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:03

Heck yeah. So it's all it gets a little muddy, the sustained pedal. You can let it get a little muddy, and then your mistakes can kind of disappear. But if you're not using the sustained pedal, it's everything just stands out in clear naked air, and you can hear mistakes better.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:20

Is it like playing a guitar clean versus with a lot of distortion and maybe probably I don't know enough to say. So this is the first so this solo. So the I think the I think I had heard this song at some point uh prior to college, but freshman year of college, sitting in like the general, like the dorm general area, whatever you call that, talking to this dude who was playing guitar. I don't remember his name. I don't think it was like Sean or something. Really nice guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:48

We love you, Sean. I hope you're listening.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:50

Possibly. His band was called Future Me.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:52

Oh, I like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:53

Yeah. Um, and which I don't know how we got on the subject, but I said, Well, are you working on anything or the songs you like playing? Or he's like, Well, I like playing the song to be with you. I'm like, I'm like, I don't know that one. He's like, Well, I really love the solo in it. Solo sick solo in it. I was like, and he busted out that solo live. Like I was just sitting at the table with him.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:13

You're like, Well, I don't play guitar.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:15

And I was just like, that is because you know, it's so cool to see somebody do like it's like watching somebody do a backflip in front of you. Like, whoa. Yeah, that's awesome. And it like, but he busted that full solo. I think I he probably played it perfectly. I don't think it wouldn't have mattered.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:30

Especially if you yourself have been trying to do anything at all in the guitar, you have any frame of reference for how hard what he was doing was. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:39

With the uh harmonics. Yeah. But that solo is I mean, in a in a way, that was one of the many, one of the few things. If I had to pick like the biggest things that have gotten me into the guitar, like I was like, Oh, I mean, it just it just blew me away watching him do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:54

Did you feel like you could ever do it?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:56

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:57

But now you can do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:58

Well, yeah, but yeah, that's arguable.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:00

But I like no, it was great.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:02

So uh what's his name? Um Mr. Um Guitar. Mr. Guitar.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:07

I think that's how they all go.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:08

Paul Gilbert. Paul Gilbert was the is the guitar player for for uh Mr. Big. He's played for a lot of he was a Racer X. I saw him play with uh do you know Guthrie Govin is by chance?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:19

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:19

They're both anyways, Paul um Paul keep on the same my friend.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:26

My friend.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:27

You know, Paul. Our friend Paul. Oh right. Yeah, yeah. But he is a absolute like top, top tier, like upper echelon guitar player, guitar player is guitar player kind of guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:40

He is, I've listened. I'm not a huge, like fan, huge fan of his, like in terms of having consumed a lot of his work, but I have listened to a lot of it, a lot of solo stuff too. He's phenomenal. And uh I listened to quite a bit of Mr. Big this week. Not really my thing, but his guitar playing is definitely my thing. I love it. But on this song, it's so lean. Yeah, there's not a lot, but it's also like it's like a um, it's kind of jazzy in the sense that he's basically soloing with chords.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:09

And he doesn't really do his trademark, you know, the the the shredding. That's almost just like a little kiss at the end with the shredding. But it's just going into which I like that that getting that down took me forever. But it's kind of like I had to, and it was it was like the rhythm part of it. I was like, how do I I slide this?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:30

Because you gotta slide it, and it kind of does this it almost makes you think you're getting out of rhythm. Yes. When you hear it, you're like, that's he's not gonna land that.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:38

But I was I finally figured out it was just if I just played it like I was going to go. So, or yeah. So instead of doing that though, I'm doing this run.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:52

And then as soon as I kind of click to make it think that, but I like that kind of but this I've this is the hardest I've ever worked on the solo. I've never worked on the solo before, with the exception of like Little Wing and maybe like Santeria or something. But anytime I work on the solo, I always I need to learn more solos because I always get something out of it. Yeah, like little wing, I'd get like the double stops, like the or the I do this all the time. You know, that kind of thing. Yep. All of the chords, but that this one is definitely just learning to kind of solo with chords, like doing that, and then all these are just the the chord shapes, you know, of he's just going through just basically putting on a clinic of like triads, yeah, you know, and so there's just so much. I love seeing a solo that sounds beautiful, serves the song perfectly, done masterfully, as he does, but also has like oh, you want to learn how to solo with triads? Learn to be with you. There you go. Yeah, yeah, that like now you'll know how that's now you'll kind of have a good idea how to work the fretboard with the whole cage system to sort of baked into that. And it's just really neat. So I got a lot out of doing that, but it's super stressful to like to get that down. I see why people are like, you know, learn to play a solo until you can't screw it up, kind of thing. Yes. So I just want to talk about that quite a bit. Paul Gilbert is is a stud. The guy who wrote the song is um what's his name? Edward Martin. So these guys, Billy Sheehan, and was a bass player. He we listened to him and um Richie Kotson doing and Winery Dogs. Do you remember when we listened to that album? Uh by my boss, the superintendent, uh, recommended it. Okay. Just like a super group. But both those dudes. So Richie Kotson came in and replaced both Paul Gilbert and Martin from Mr. Big, and he did both vocals and Gilbert's lead guitar. The guy's a beast. Wow. I heard his version of this, his cover. It's fine, it's cool. I mean, it's this isn't really my music, really, but I do love this.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:05

I really did like this era where it's a way better rock ballad than a lot of rock ballads.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:12

You got this, you got more than words, patience. We got these like kind of hard rockers.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:19

Doing these doing these soft ballads.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:21

Must have been a thing, huh?

SPEAKER_04 1:35:22

It was a thing. I mean, poison. Yeah. Every rose has its thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:25

Yeah, that's a terrible. I mean, it's a fine song, and it's but I feel like this is better.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:29

I feel like those three songs are like way better. The peak of whatever this is. And they're all around the same area.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:35

That's got really cold down here.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:37

But um he wrote sorry. He wrote this song about a girl. He wrote this actually, so more than words. It came out, I think, in maybe 90, like stream. And I only compare it because they both have like black and white videos.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:50

If you haven't seen the video for this song, or more than words, you need to go watch them back to back because it's it will make you laugh.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:57

Yeah. This this video was shot in like a railroad car, and the whole band just sitting around clapping and just in their cool long hair, and the lead singer is very pretty. Yeah. He looks like a man, but he's a He looks like a man, but he's a pretty woman, man. He looks well. But he wrote this song about a girl when he was in like in high school or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:22

And the waiting on a line of greens and blues.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:27

Did you look that up?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:28

I did.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:28

What is it?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:29

It's really specific. So waiting on a line, I think, was kind of a very of just more of a artistic choice for waiting in line because this girl was desired by everybody. And he's just in line. Yeah of greens and blues.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:43

Which is appropriate for us. Isn't that something?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:45

Well, I'll be greens and blues. Apparently, at some point she gave him like a mood ring. They go from blue when you're sad and green when you're happy. So he was referring to he was waiting in line, and his mood ring is going back and forth between greens and blues.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:02

Wow. Isn't that something? That's a stretch. I mean, I like singing it. I don't really care about that meaning.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:09

I thought it was nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:10

It's fine. It serves well.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:13

It's very much like when you find out that like a 15-year-old wrote this song, you're like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:19

Well, that that'll make sense when we get to the covers for me because I had mine are just I did listen to a few I I want to hear your covers.

Mood Ring Lyrics And Cover Awards

SPEAKER_04 1:37:27

I listened to a few covers of like actual covers.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:30

Do you have a covers award?

SPEAKER_04 1:37:32

I do.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:32

I'm only saying that because we're seven minutes over our time.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:35

Gotcha. I'll just I listened to Westlife do it. They were it was fine. It's basically just a like a one-to-one cover. Alistair and Nicotine were two kind of punkish versions I didn't really love. They were fine. That's just not my thing. Um DJ Dextream was kind of like a almost like a hip-hop piano kind of. There's some of the you played a few piano songs for me that this reminded me of one song. I didn't write it down when I was driving or when I was listening to this, but just let if you want to hear like a kind of a semi-hip hop version of with a female singing and it's some neat piano going on, listen to DJ Deck stream do it. Uh I told you Richie, Richie Katson. That's the winery dogs guy, the guy who was actually in Mr. Big. Shioni Yukawa.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:25

Is that person Japanese?

SPEAKER_04 1:38:27

Is she Japanese? I could just I would this is almost like a zydego kind of like Zydeco sort of, you know, like the like the like a Creole kind of New Orleans sort of accordion kind of sound.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:40

It sounds and she's like jet like English is definitely not her first language. Like she said, I'm not I'm not making fun of her, but she says waiting on a rhyme. You know, so like, but it's I'm not I'm not making I swear it sounds like I'm making fun of it. I'm not, I love it. This is actually my favorite, it's my favorite cover I heard, and she gets the nobody award because she has like a thousand subscribers.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:04

All right.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:05

So just like us. Her voice is really cool, the music on it is really cool. It's an interesting take on it. It's the it's the most different version of the song I heard that you liked. I really liked it. I actually really enjoyed it. The job she was on the whole thing. And what were your if you could if you could listen to anybody cover this, who would it be?

SPEAKER_00 1:39:25

Well, really quick, I just wanted to say that we talked about the key change, and you're like, don't let forget to say it.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:28

Oh, the E minor.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:29

Yeah. Yeah. So when it it's in E major, then it keychanges to G major, which is not really a related key at all to E major. Um but then when it the chorus that's in G, the first key change, ends on an E minor.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:53

Which is a relative major relative minor for G.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:56

For G. But what that does is it gives you the E back as your home note. So Do, your tonic, your home note in the whole song is E, because it's in E major. You briefly take it to G, so now G is your home note. Then they have you end the chorus in E minor so that you can hear that E again and then you can sing it in E major when it comes back.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:23

Do you see that often?

SPEAKER_00 1:40:24

Are you pretty what This to me seems like an unusual thing to do? The key to the whole key change to begin with. I think they use the that chord for that reason. And once I realized that's what it was, then it allowed me to change key without freaking out.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:37

So uh it sounds good too. It's an interesting one.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:41

Well, they ended well that's in the key of G, that's a six, it's a minor six, and we do end a lot, like we do this at church a lot. If we're gonna repeat the very last line instead of going to the one, the home chord, we'll play the six minor chord and then repeat it again and play it with the home chord. So we do that a lot, but without any of the key changes, but we're not changing key or anything. Gotcha. Um, but yes, okay, you ready for my cover? Yeah. Or you got my cover? Can I say my B? Can we do B sides first? Because my cover and my soundtrack kind of go together.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:10

This song does actually have a B side. What is it?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:12

It's um Is it something that I would have ever heard?

SPEAKER_04 1:41:15

No, uh 60s Green Tent. Uh I didn't love it. And I don't care. A lot of stuff is is um Paul Gilbert killing it, but it's not really my thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:27

Alright, who's your B side then?

SPEAKER_04 1:41:29

My You don't have one? Well, I was thinking that air. It was gonna be, well, I already kind of talked about it. Um I was gonna talk talk about uh More Than Words.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:43

Okay, well, I did say the Jimmy Fallon Jack Black version of More Than Words.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:47

Is your B-side version?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:48

It is my B side. If you haven't watched that, I just really want you to.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:52

I would say uh I'm gonna go with Patience.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:55

Okay, good. Tons of roses. That's wise. Alright, and then who's your you do your cover and sound track? It's mine is so stupid. I just had a real hard time taking this song seriously from a lyrical standpoint. Obviously, we just discussed how hard the music is, but the uh the lyrics are kind of you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:17

It would have been nice to have a bass player on this, too.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:19

Seth.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:21

Billy Sheehan is a I think I'm saying his name right. He's a sick bass player. But anyways, who's your cover in your cover so my B side I was thinking I said patience. My cover, I but originally I was thinking, okay, we get Slash and Nuno Betancourt, he's the extreme guitar player. Okay, and uh Paul Gilbert.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:43

Together, we get the Minneapolis Six.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:45

Oh my gosh, from Bob Dylan.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:48

And they just do this huge medley of patience more than words, and and this one.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:52

And this one.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:53

And but they all take but it's all instrumental, of course. Yeah. And they all play their own song, all the lines with but they all take turns. So it'd be like a 40-minute song.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:02

I like it. Yeah, I'd listen.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:03

But but then because I already picked one of those as my B side, I'm gonna go with uh there's this album I really like with Mark Knoffler and Chet Atkins.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:11

And Mark Knoffler can sing, he's from Dire Straits, but he can also play, and Chet Atkins can do both as well. Yes. I like to hear them do this, it'd be sweet.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:20

That's cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:21

Do you have a soundtrack?

SPEAKER_04 1:43:23

Yeah, I I picked because I was thinking high school, trying to think of high school movies. Um, I think Better Off Dead, I want to see. Because do you remember that movie?

SPEAKER_00 1:43:34

Uh, did we watch that?

SPEAKER_04 1:43:35

We should we we should do that. I love that movie. That's such an underrated movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:39

Is that the one with the don't with the skiing? Yeah, we watched that. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:42

John Cusack. Because you got this girl, you know, he's got his girl, uh Beth, who everybody loves, and that's kind of like a joke. But then you got the little French girl.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:51

Oh, the neighbor, she across the street?

SPEAKER_04 1:43:53

Yes. Yeah. And then you got the what green and blue. I was thinking the maybe the the jello that the mom makes.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:59

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:00

I don't really remember that part, but I was I don't know if I was lazy or having too much fun, but I I just want to watch that movie again, I think is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:09

I feel like this would be this would fit nicely into the Shrek universe. And I think Shrek and Donkey could really like Shrek Donkey could do the the main part, which I guess is really.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:25

Oh, so it's between the two of them?

SPEAKER_00 1:44:26

Yeah, and then Shrek could come in on the chorus.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:29

I think you're onto something. I think so. Because they use a lot of contemporary. They do too.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:34

And I feel like it remember the credits when they do the NSL Face Eddie Murphy.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:39

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:40

Yeah. So I guess Eddie Murphy.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:42

I guess so, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:45

But I just feel like it would fit really well into like any DreamWorks movie. Um because it's hard for me to take it seriously. Especially I wrote especially after we watched the video. Oh, those vests a lot of angsty face shots.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:59

A lot of cool hair, a lot of nice there's a couple I feel like everybody had like four awesome vests on, but I don't think they did.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:05

Like uh at a time?

SPEAKER_04 1:45:07

Yeah. I don't think so. Like they went to Debs. They went to uh shots by Deb. They found some vests.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:15

Nice vest I can wear. Oh man. Well that was fun. It was hard. I feel like I can't believe we got it in two takes. Maybe really one.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:22

Yeah, we might just go with the first one.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:24

It's not it's not perfect, guys, but it was fun. It's definitely better than the version we did when I was in college. I was pretty much afraid to sing.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:32

It was. I was I can play bar chords now.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:35

So my gosh, we're two growing people.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:37

Yay.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:38

All right.

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SPEAKER_04 1:45:39

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SPEAKER_00 1:45:45

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SPEAKER_00 1:45:49

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SPEAKER_04 1:45:58

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SPEAKER_00 1:46:08

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SPEAKER_04 1:46:10

It's a podcast about two people waiting at a ballet bar for a concert.

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SPEAKER_04 1:46:17

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SPEAKER_00 1:46:18

That they're gonna have to.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:19

But maybe ballet. Maybe. We don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:20

Spando ballet.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:21

That's it. We're working on it.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:22

I'm working on that song with my buddy Raj.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:24

Are you really?

SPEAKER_00 1:46:25

Yeah. True?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:27

Nice. Have you seen Will Farrell do that?

SPEAKER_00 1:46:29

Uh no, but I'm gonna have to. Alright, guys. Peace. Peace out. Bye. Who are you kissing?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:35

Anyone.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:36

Anyone who wants to be.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:37

Anyone who wants kisses.