Episode 28: Candace

Meet Candace, 49. She reminds us, simply. "Do the thing. Do it now."

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

My life that I I don't necessarily regret having not done them just because I did other things, but every time I kind of took the leap, something good happened.

SPEAKER_02 0:09

Good afternoon, good morning, good wherever what time it is, wherever you are, as old as you are. I'm Tim Cunningham, host of this podcast that I'm currently calling the Niners, and I am thrilled today to be interviewing my good and my old, not saying you're old, but this is all about age. I guess we are old, friend Candace, and we're gonna we're gonna talk about what it's like to be a Niner. Candace, how old are you today?

SPEAKER_00 0:36

49. 363 days.

SPEAKER_02 0:41

So your birthday is three days from now.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

My birthday is on Friday. I will be 50.

SPEAKER_02 0:45

Congratulations. I'm so glad we caught you before tipping over into the next decade, because if not, we'd have to wait another nine years to interview them. Candace, where where are you from and where do you live now?

SPEAKER_00 0:55

That's a really good question. I was actually born in Arkansas and we moved to New York when I was 10. Um, and then my parents moved from New York to Virginia, which is where you and I eventually met. When I was a junior in high school, I went to UVA for my first bachelor's degree. Then I moved around again all over the country, Seattle, Massachusetts, and then eventually came back to Charlottesville and went to nursing school and then went from there out to San Francisco to do my PhD. I think you and I met somewhere in the middle of that. I came back to Charlottesville. Yeah, and we were both working in the emergency department. And so then I was in Charlottesville for eight years and then came back to the West Coast. I was in California for seven years, and then I've been in Las Vegas for three years, and I am in the process of moving to Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Congratulations.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

I hope it's a good move. I hope you're excited about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

It is. I'm really excited. Um, I'm starting a new position as the director of the School of Nursing in the Faculty of Health at York University.

SPEAKER_01 1:56

Of all these places you've lived so far, what's your favorite?

SPEAKER_00 1:58

That's hard. For different reasons, they're all special and important to me. I really loved living in Southern California. It was just very chill. The only thing wrong with it was it was expensive. But as far as like the best sort of city that I've lived in, Seattle, for sure. Seattle. And that's definitely my favorite place.

SPEAKER_02 2:17

Candace, tell us a little bit about how you spend your time.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

That depends on the minute. At the moment, uh I am splitting my time between continuing to do the research and scholarly work that I was doing already as an associate professor, packing, trying to figure out immigration, spending time with my dog, and working out, because if I don't, I will lose my mind in the process of doing all the other things.

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Candace, you and I are both political people. I think we're all political people. And I think especially nurses. As nurses and healthcare professionals, we also have to be political. Side note, anytime someone says don't bring politics to work, I'm like, we're working with human beings everywhere. You do, and exactly. Everywhere. So do we put our head under the rug? That said, how is immigration looking for you right now? I mean, in this day and age where there's so much there peaceful protests that the military is jumping on in Los Angeles. I mean, there's craziness related to immigration. Are you feeling some of that heat? And what's that like?

SPEAKER_00 3:14

It's a little, yeah, it's it's kind of wild, like immigrating to Canada at the moment, um, trying to understand what the processes are and how do I do the things I need to do. For me, as a blonde, white, middle class professional woman, it's not gonna be that difficult. But there's a ton of paperwork. There's just so much you have to do, and you have to understand what the process is, and you have to show up at the right thing at the right time, you know, and you only really get a couple of tries at it before they kind of tell you this isn't gonna work or whatever, or you have to wait. So for me right now, there's two pathways in I can't I can't formally immigrate to Canada and become a citizen immediately just because of the way my job is working. So, what I have to do is get a work permit. And so there's two ways to do that. One is I can do file for it online, and the other is I can do it at the border when I go to Canada. So that is my plan because the online process is boy, they want your firstborn child, practically. They want so many documents and so much information and they have very specific requirements, which if I were not me and in the position I am in and having an advanced degree, I'm not sure I would know how to go about getting them. You know, so if I were, if I were like an unskilled worker or a tradesperson, they want documentation of your last 10 years worth of employment from the employer. If you like if you work for yourself, what do you do with that?

SPEAKER_02 4:42

Yeah. Or if you're working like so many people are multiple jobs. Or if they call it under-the-table jobs or side hustles. I've got more side hustles than you can count at this moment. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:57

But having all of that, so like I'm having to call up employers, and because it's 10 years, it's just past when I was at UC Irvine, so I have to go all the way back to VCU in Richmond to get a letter. So I had to contact all these people and say, Can you write this letter? You know, and they have like the universities have form letters that they send, but some of them don't quite meet all of the requirements that it says they have to meet on the website. It's kind of crazy. And in fact, one of the offices contacted me and said, We don't know what this part means. I was like, No, I really don't. Just do best you can. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

Seems like there could be much easier ways.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

You would think. And it it does explain to me kind of why people would choose to immigrate in an undocumented fashion. Because it's almost impossible to get the documents that you need.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

And a bad relationship with a former employer, for example.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

Exactly. Yeah. Or that they don't exist anymore.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

And I think in today's world, uh you named it too, being uh a white woman, myself as a white man, we walk through a lot of things so much easier just simply because of the color we're skin. No matter what anyone wants to say, that's uh you know, a deep reality that will probably be that way. Continue to be that way for a long time. It's been that way for over 400 years in this country.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

Right.

SPEAKER_02 6:14

And it it's well, I wish you so much luck with all these complications. And I'm curious to learn some things from you about you living on the edge of a decade. You know, as you think about Candace being 49 years old, what what excites you most about your movement into the next decade?

SPEAKER_00 6:32

You know, it's funny to be starting this new job right after I turned 50. Um, this is in many ways, this is the job I wanted pretty much as soon as I became a nurse. I remember sitting as a second degree student in my classes in nursing school and thinking, why are we doing this this way? Knowing as an adult learner and someone who had worked in education in other ways, the way we do nursing education is in many ways ridiculous and really anachronistic and outdated and just dumb. And we don't change it because we're too busy doing it, to be honest. We have, you know, everybody needs nurses. Everybody, everywhere needs nurses. And so there is immense pressure on schools of nursing to turn out more nurses, more nurses, more nurses. And so we take more students and we add more things, you know, and we but we don't increase our capacity to do that. We just do it because nurses get stuff done. It's what we do, you know. So this is the job that I you've made it. Yeah, yeah. This is the job I've wanted for 20 years. So um I'm really, really excited that it's here and that I'm going to a place that feels like a fantastic fit for me and just a really tremendous opportunity. So I'm really excited. And it feels I almost feel for the first time in a very long time, even though I'm not there yet and I haven't officially started, I feel settled profession professionally and in some ways personally.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

Can you talk a little more about like how do you know you feel settled?

SPEAKER_00 7:58

I feel like I know what I'm doing. There's a lot I don't know, but I know that I can do this job. I'm not walking into something and going, what-huh? I know now that I have the skill set and the capacity to do the job. And it just feels like a good fit. Like my experience with the school and the people and even the search committee has just been wonderful. They've just been, yeah, there's just a we're truly, you know, if you look at the York University website, they are all over their website, all over everything: social justice, diversity, inclusion, equity, all of the things that are under attack in the United States and academia right now, but they really walk the talk. And it is, it's a place that is known for doing that. And that is kind of the direction that my scholarly work and my professional work have taken. It just feels it feels incredibly right. And it has, oddly. For so many years in my career, I was just like, what's the next thing? What's the next thing? You know, what do I need to do now? Oh, get a grant, oh, get tenure, you know, uh be a program director, do be an associate dean, do this, do that. And now I'm like, okay, this is the thing I wanted, and I'm here now.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

Ten years ago, then, looking back to when you were a niner at 39, uh, how would you say you've changed over the last decade?

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Okay, this is a rough one. So at 39 and 362 days, I lost my husband. He died three days before my 40th birthday. That was hell. He was a transplant recipient, so it wasn't like it was out of the blue or unexpected. When he did die, it happened very quickly. But it wasn't like he was sick for a really long time and then died. It was like he was sick and then he got the transplant and he was better for a long time and then he died. Ten years ago is a bit of a blur to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

I was very much in a fog and I stayed where I was in my job and in our house um for another year before moving to California for the first time. Well, I guess back to California, but Southern California for the first time. You know, so I'm not sure. And then even then, I was kind of in a sort of rental situation, waiting to buy a house and stuff like that. And so the the first two years after he died are honestly kind of blurry.

SPEAKER_01 10:08

Thank you for sharing that.

SPEAKER_02 10:09

What I hear from blur to like this place of groundedness in eight years-ish, ten years, eight years over the lifespan of now 45 years, what a that sounds like in itself is probably a pretty rapid series of changes to get you to this relationship in place.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Yeah, it's wild. You know, thinking that he passed away ten years ago. It doesn't feel like ten years ago, it feels like five minutes ago. And uh but at the same time, I'm like, oh, look at all the things that have happened in those ten years, you know, like wow, how did that happen?

SPEAKER_02 10:39

Moving forward, thinking uh about what's next, as you have this move coming up, as you have this great new job, as you have it sounds like healing that you have practiced over time and continue to practice probably for the rest of your life.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

What are you looking forward to in this fifth decade of the So you know there's the whole like piages stages and like all the the different developmental places.

SPEAKER_02 11:01

Remember the name? I swept through a lot of that. Can you refresh me?

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Generativity is like, you know, you you sort of go through the phases of like your growth and development as to your identity formation. And around the time you hit 50, it's when you're kind of on this edge of the most productive time in your life, but starting to move in toward like I think that's I think it's called like senescence, where you just kind of settle out. And I feel very much that that's where I am. I feel still very much engaged and excited about my work and the people that I get to collaborate with and the things that I get to do. But I also am starting to value not work the time. All right. In a way that in a way that I didn't. I am I am, as you know, a workaholic.

SPEAKER_02 11:46

Yeah. We, we, we, we, we resonate. In that we share. In that way, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Yeah. Um, and I am starting to value other things to my own surprise, equally with work. So things like being able to get my serious hardcore sweat on, um, having time to meditate, having time to sleep. Um, which there were days in the ED when we did not do them. So, yeah, so that's definitely something that has moved for me. I don't feel as I don't feel quite as scattered in that way anymore. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 12:23

Anything that worries you as you move into this this new stage of lifespan development?

SPEAKER_00 12:28

I worry about my health. Not there's nothing wrong with my health, at least not that I know of.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

Yeah, touch a wood somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 12:34

Yeah, quickly. Yeah. Um, but I I see I watch my parents getting older. My parents are in their late 70s now. I watch them getting older and I see what they're dealing with, and I know that like I am healthier at 50 than either of them were. Um and I know that I take better care of myself at 50 than they did. And that uh there are a lot of reasons that I will not have some of the problems that they do. But on the other side of that, my husband's mother has Parkinson's, and you can't do anything about that.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

And you're a nurse, so you know what's up and you know what's coming.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

Exactly. Yeah, so I do worry about that, you know, being being alone, because I have not been in a serious partnered relationship since my husband died, and I don't expect to be. He was it. So being alone and making sure that I am healthy enough to be alone, that I can take care of myself, that I won't have crazy needs health-wise.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

I'm curious as you some of these things that you're concerned about, aging, aging alone, health, all these factors. What what are things you can work on now to help alleviate some of those worries?

SPEAKER_00 13:38

I've always been kind of bonkers about money. And so making sure that I have money, you know, if if something happens, can I support myself for a little while, you know, and making sure that I have solid retirement plans and having things in place. So that's one thing. But the other, you know, the other piece of it is really just doing everything I can to keep myself healthy. And so I I even coming up on 50 work out like a crazy person. Sweat. I do I do this hardcore intense cardio three times a week. I do strength training at least twice a week, usually more like three. I meditate, you know. So I don't know if you know this, but some of my work was on the impact of the chronic stress of intimate partner violence on physiology.

SPEAKER_02 14:22

I didn't know that, no.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

Yeah. So one of the things that happens with chronic stress is that your telomeres get short. And your telomeres are the things that stabilize your chromosomes, right?

SPEAKER_02 14:32

And so sort of like building blocks of your chromosomes. Is that a fair way to think about that?

SPEAKER_00 14:37

Those are no, that's genes or amino acids. Okay. Think of it like the think of it like the thing on the end of your shoelace. That's what a telomere is for a chromosome. It's like a cat. And they're just long stretches of repetitive amino acid sequences. And I used to be able to tell you what the sequence is exactly, but I'm I think it's T T A G, but anyway, and they are supposed to get shorter over cycles of mitosis because we don't want immortal cells, that's cancer. But chronic stress causes them to shorten artificially, which means that your chromosomes destabilize and translation machinery can get in there and start making things that it shouldn't, which can cause chronic inflammation, it can cause pain, it can cause really strange idiopathic conditions that we don't understand.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

Cancer to to top it off, it sounds like eventually cancers.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

In some cases, yeah, depending on what what the you know what happens in there. That's the problem, is that if you open up a chromosome and the translation machinery gets in there, there's all kinds of stuff we don't there's all kinds of stuff in our chromosomes that we don't even use. So you start making that stuff, anything could happen. But the two things that we know for sure can can stop or even reverse that are vigorous exercise and mindfulness. So I box and I hit things and I smash stuff and I jump around and I get extremely sweaty and push my heart rate as high as I possibly can and then and lift weights, and then I sit down to meditate.

SPEAKER_02 15:58

Is it fair to say I've done some work with mindfulness here and there? Could you get the meditation and the exercise at the same time? If I'm someone I just can't, I can't sit still, I can't close my eyes for a long time.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

That's why I do the crazy cardio first, because I can't. Yes, it's the only way I can really sit down and let my brain just be. I can't if I don't exercise first, it's really difficult. The only time it sort of works is if I use it to go up to sleep, because I'm not, you know, like most AD nurses, I'm not a good sleeper.

SPEAKER_02 16:28

And we've been so jacked up on caffeine for how many years as well, not to miss a beat, then we miss the sleep.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Right, right. Yeah, so so that's why I I do the meditation following hardcore exercise, because that's really the time that my brain will be like Candace.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

You've learned a ton, you've had multiple careers, climb the ranks in nursing through the PhD, leadership role, you've lost a beloved soul in your life. You have seen a ton, you've traveled a ton, all of these things. If you were to share some advice to another niner, maybe a niner who's listening to this podcast, and a niner could be anyone nine, twenty-nine, any age with a nine in it, what would you want to share based on your own lived experience?

SPEAKER_00 17:10

Do the thing.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

Do the thing.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

Do the thing. Whatever the thing is, do it. Don't wait. Don't hesitate. If you want to do it, go do it. Find a way. There were things that I didn't do in my life that I I don't necessarily regret having not done them just because I did other things. But every time I kind of took the leap, something good happened. I, after college, after my first degree, I didn't really know what I was doing. I didn't really know what I wanted to do. I thought about going to law school. Really glad I didn't do that. And I just was kind of at a loose end for a while. And then I got offered this job with the human rights campaign, which is a political action committee-based organization. They are also a nonprofit advocacy organization for the LGBTQIA community. Um, and I got offered this job with them running an action center on the Cape in Provincetown, Massachusetts. And it was sort of nuts. It was like, okay, I'm gonna uproot my life. But and it was only temporary, it was only for six months. So it was like, I'm gonna uproot my life and go do this because it's important to me. This is something that I value that I think is important, and I I can contribute here. Um and I did it and came back from that, and that experience led to me getting a job in an intimate partner violence service agency, and that led to me moving into more advocacy and education and in a roundabout way led me to nursing.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

Really?

SPEAKER_00 18:28

Yeah, because I discovered that the things I loved were helping people and being present with people in pain. I see. And helping people move through that in ways that were healthy and good for them. That it never, you know, people used to always ask me, and and you know this, I was a sexual assault nurse for many years. And people were always asking me, how can you stand it? How can you do it? I can. I always could. I somehow, some way I was and I think I think a previous therapist said to me that I am the way I am because I was raised by really crazy, strict, bizarre boomers. So I, in in opposition to that, developed this incredible capacity for empathy and compassion. And I had maybe once in my career bottomed out on that. I just can. And so I do. And I realized there were so many things that I already knew how to do and that I already wanted to do that would make me a good nurse. And so UVA at the time had a two-year accelerated bachelor's. So I went, I applied. And it was insane and crazy, and the maybe the hardest thing I've ever done, including my dissertation.

SPEAKER_02 19:37

Really? Your bachelor's degree in nursing harder than your PhD in nursing and all the talk about paperwork having gone through my doctoral work, the bullshit. But you said your PSN was harder. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. What made it so challenging?

SPEAKER_00 19:52

Oh my God, it was just so intense. And it was not the best structured program, honestly. And as I circle back to what I said earlier, I would sit in my classes and be like, there is a better way to do this. You know, which I think is the symptom of being an adult learner. I was 20, I was 28 when I started that program. So I graduated at 29. So the the nines have a thing, apparently. There it is. Look at that.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

You know, I came to teach at UVA when I was 39. And I remember I loved the challenge of working with adult learners. I taught in the clinical nurse leader program, the CNL program. I'd get bounced to other classes here and there, and it was such a challenge to work with adult learners. But at the end of the day, I loved it because our adult learners, like you, asked the hard questions, saw through the BS. Whereas younger students, we had some brilliant students that has nothing to do with brilliance, but people that are just used to being told what to do and doing it, it's really easy to teach if you want to kind of snooze to your career.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

One of my one of my first clinical instructors in that program said to me, Stop asking so many questions. You don't have to know everything. I would never ever ever say that to a student. Not ever. Ask me anything. I don't care and my students will be like, I think this might be a stupid question. And I'm like, Stop. If it's a question, it's not stupid. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

I say there are no stupid questions, only stupid politicians.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Perfect. I'm stealing that.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

It's yours. I probably stole it from someone else. Pass it on.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

But yeah, so that was that was like the hardest thing I had done in my life. Really looking back, it's one of the hardest things I've ever done. No, so but I did it. And then I was, you know, I got I got hooked on research in the middle of doing it. I got asked to you remember Barbara Parker. I do. Um yeah. Barbara had a grant to study sexual assault in South Africa. And they had a spot for a research assistant. And Tina Brashears, who was my pathology professor.

SPEAKER_02 21:40

She's one of my Sheiros. I love Tina. Oh, such a professor.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

Yeah. Yeah. Just a fantastic teacher. Absolutely everybody should model themselves on Tina. Um, but she she kind of pulled me aside and said, Hey, you know, I'm part of this project. Barbara has this grant. I know you have a background in intimate partner violence. You want to go. And I say, Yeah. So between the first and second years of that program, I went to South Africa with a PhD student and some other folks. Um, and we did training for care providers for people of sexual assault in South Africa and mind blown. Absolutely mind blown. Fell in love with research, um, head over heels, you know, for that. And so by the time I was coming to the end of my second year in the BSN program, I knew I wanted to go. Because I would what I thought I was gonna do, I thought I was gonna go to nursing school, get my BSN, go and get my women's health nurse practitioner and go right back to working with survivors of intimate partner violence. And then that got kind of refigured with this opportunity to go to South Africa and getting hooked on research. And at that point, I knew I wanted to get my PhD. So I was kind of looking around, and there were three places I was gonna go. It was either gonna be I was gonna stay at UVA and work with Barbara, or I was gonna go to Hopkins and work with Jackie Campbell, or I was gonna go to UCSF and work with Janice Humphreys and ended up going out to UCSF and kind of having an informational interview with Janice, and we just clicked. It was like, this is it. And by some miracle, they had a spot on their teeth. So I got my first two and a half years paid for and a and a stipend, and you know, so like again, do the thing, right? So, like apply for the PhD. I just did, and then it worked out, and it didn't seem like it was going to. And and honestly, when I applied to the BSN, the second, the second degree BSN, that didn't seem like it was gonna work, and then it did. And then UCSF didn't seem like it was gonna work, and then it did, and then ended up coming back after my PhD, coming back to Charlottesville, because my husband was still in grad school at UBA at the time, and that's where we met. And I finished my dissertation and was on tenure track at VCU for several years, you know, and and then this job now, this this job, actually coming to UNLV out of UCI, that was a do the thing. That one maybe didn't work out as well as I wanted it to, but even though even though there's been craziness and it's the most stressful job I've ever had, and I include working in the ED, and that for various reasons, it gave me the administrative experience I needed to get the job I'm going to, and it let me get myself into a much better financial position. Um, and as I said, that's something that I worry about low-key all the time.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

Candace, I don't think being an emergency department nurse had anything to do with your insomnia. I think it's in your blood. Because you just keep doing and do the thing and doing the thing. And I I'm hopeful for your next decade, part of doing the thing will be doing the sleep thing as well. Because you've done all the other things. Try some things.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

Yeah, it'd be good.

SPEAKER_02 24:31

Try some rest.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

Yeah, do the thing.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

Do the thing. Thank you for that. Do the thing. Anything else you want to share with us before we wrap up to other niners or anyone that happens to be listening. God. No pressure.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

Tell the truth. My students always have known, you know, we've we've touched on politics a couple of times, and I it's it's impossible for me to be unpolitical, given the work that I do and the areas that I focus on in my scholarly and professional work. And I have always been blunt about how I feel about politics with my students. Some of them have complained, but the most extraordinary comment I ever got from a student was on a student evaluation, and he had written quite a lot about how much he loved my class. But he also wrote that I had helped him to understand that so much of what we do in healthcare, while it is screamed about in the political arena, isn't political. It's about taking care of people and it's about helping people. And he thanked me for helping him to understand that. And he wrote, you know, I identify as a conservative and I came into this class with that mindset. But now I understand the difference and thank you for that. So be honest. Even if people disagree with you, you might still change their minds.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

Thank you. Be honest, do the thing. Don't worry about changing minds. It sounds like they'll change whether they do or not. And just stay honest.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

Yeah. And be honest with yourself.

SPEAKER_02 25:48

That's probably the hardest, don't you think?

SPEAKER_00 25:50

It is. Woo! I went back to therapy as I was kind of moving through this job change and coming up on my 50th birthday. And that has been really challenging, being honest with myself about okay, how do I really feel about this? And how do I, what parts of me am I listening to as I try to make this decision or that decision or change how I feel about this or manage this piece of something? And I in some ways I wish I'd done it sooner, but I also am not sure I could have done it any sooner.

SPEAKER_02 26:16

Candace, thank you so much. This has been fun.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

This was fun.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

Candace, it was great to learn from you. And folks, thanks for joining the Niners Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Cunningham, where you can tune in on every day of the month that has a nine in the number and learn from another person who's got the number nine in their age, who's living on the edge of a decade, a century, or maybe nine months pregnant and about to bring a new life on this planet. If you've been following, you've probably noticed I've got a lot of folks who are 49 that I've interviewed. That's probably because I'm about to turn 49 in another year or so. So that's very much my friend network. But I don't want you to feel excluded. If you've got a nine in your age or know someone else who does, reach out. My goal is to interview 99 people because nine itself is a very mystical, powerful number. And I'd love to hear from people across the age spectrum. If you like this podcast, we've got quite a few episodes out there. Now's the time to like, to leave a comment, to give us a review. By doing that, we can get more listeners and we can broaden the scope of the folks that we interview living on the edge of a decade, a century, or about to bring a new life onto this planet. Thank you all for joining. Join us for the next episode where you'll be learning from Brandon, who is also 49 and has some important things to share. A special thanks to Jen Cornell, who created the intro and outro music for us. You can learn more about Jen Cornell at jencello.com. Thanks, y'all. Take care.