Dying with Glory (After Nate’s Trip to Korea)

On the 9th episode of the Only KADs Podcast, Jenna, Claire, April, and Nate with the hard-hitting questions: Do you lead with your back or your front when inching toward the aisle on a plane? Would you rather die with glory or peacefully without incident? What exactly should Nate do and expect for his first trip to Korea? Will he try Noraebang? Will it all come full circle on his train trip to Busan? Listen to find out1

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KAD - Korean Adoptee

KAAN - Korean American Adoptee Adoptive Family Network

Note: Due to some suggestive, crude language, and mature topics, listener discretion is advised. In other words, don’t have us playing in the car with your little DoKADs’ ears in close proximity! (DoKAD: Descendant of a Korean Adoptee)

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome.

SPEAKER_02 0:00

It's your friends, April, Jenna, Claire, and Nate.

SPEAKER_01 0:04

This is the Only Cats Podcast.

SPEAKER_00 0:06

We're glad you're here. Let's get to it.

SPEAKER_02 0:09

Hi, Nate.

SPEAKER_01 0:11

Hi. Hi. You guys are well. You look great.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

Thanks.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

He's Korea ready. He is Korea ready.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

I mean, I guess so. More like Korea anticipatory. I don't know about ready.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

Okay, I have a question. Are you a pre-packer or are you one of those I'll pack the day before the day I leave kind of people?

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Um, so like kind of out of nervousness or anxiety, I I packed Tuesday. And I would say I packed probably like 80% of my stuff. Um so like pre-packing in general. Um, that said though, like I think on a on a regular like hey weekend trip type of thing, even like con, like I'm I'm packing probably the night before, you know, just this specific trip. Um, just like I said, kind of out of anxiety. I was just like, I need to do something, you know, and so busted out my new suitcase and all my packing cubes. And I've got like 10 packing cubes. I kept opening packing cubes and more packing cubes kept coming out, and I'm like, holy shit! So um, yeah, like my socks have its own packing cubes, my shorts, my gym shirts, my regular shirts, my t-shirts. Like, yeah, like it's wild um how many packing cubes I have. Um, they even have like a little shoe bag for you know, dress shoes and and things of that nature. So um, yeah, it's pretty crazy stuff. Um, but yeah, so I am I'll say I'm probably like 85% packed. Um if I had to give it give it a number.

SPEAKER_04 2:02

So when are you leaving, Nate?

SPEAKER_00 2:04

Um Saturday morning. So Sunday afternoon your time. Something like that. Sunday evening your time, Saturday morning my time. So yeah, I think I'm gonna just um stay up all night um Friday into Saturday because the flight is like 6 a.m. Um and it takes an hour to get to the airport from where I'm at. So like we're looking at realistically like um leaving the house at like three in the morning to get to the airport by four for the flight that's at six. So what's the point of going to sleep at that point? Um, yeah, so I'm probably just gonna stay up Friday night, and then my plan is to loosely maybe nap at at the airport, um, because I have like a six-hour layover, and so um from Toronto to Incheon. So when I I'll fly out of Pittsburgh to Toronto, I'll have like a six-hour layover, and then um yeah, then 14 hours and 40 minutes um later, I will arrive in Korea um at like 5:30 in the evening Sunday, so like five, four thirty in the morning stateside. So it's pretty wild. Um, but yeah, we're we are less than two days away from me hopping on a plane. So it's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

Exciting. You have room in your suitcase for gifts and souvenirs, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:47

So here's the cool part about how I booked it, and that totally didn't do this intentional, it was very much an accident. Um, on the way there, I get a check bag and a carry-on. On the way back, I get two check bags and a carry-on. So my plan is to purchase another bag while I'm there and then just stuff it with a bunch of goodies and stuff like that. So um that's that's the plan.

SPEAKER_04 4:17

Good strategy.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

Yeah, I'll probably do all my like souvenir shopping the second week that I'm there when I'm back in Seoul. I'll probably just take a day and just walk around markets and buy random shit for people. Um that that way I don't have to buy the bag like really early and have to manage it back and forth between um Seoul to Busan, Busan back to Seoul.

SPEAKER_02 4:41

So I have to say it is amazing how much more Korean you look without the facial hair.

SPEAKER_04 4:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:54

Yeah, I was noticing something was different. I think that that might be it.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

It's not completely shaved off. Yeah, it's not completely shaved off. Um, it's still there. Um, I do it every once in a while, you know, just kind of mow it down and restart. So, and then good old deforestation, as I like to call it.

SPEAKER_04 5:18

No, why are you flying to Toronto before it's sold?

SPEAKER_00 5:21

Uh that's just how the flight is. There's no direct flight from Pittsburgh. So I see. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:28

No direct flight from Philly either. Come on, Pennsylvania. Get your act together.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

Um, but yeah, actually, the so I had two options. I could either uh fly to Toronto or I could fly to San Francisco. And um the group, kind of the group that I've I've I've been adopted into, another you know, adoption thing, um, is the Philly, the Philly group. And um, so Kyle, who leads the the Philly group, they are all, I say all, there's I think there's like three of them, they are flying from Philly to Toronto. That was their like kind of most direct flight. And so I was like, all right, I will suffer a six-hour layover and you know fly 14 hours plus with you guys from Toronto to Anchon. So yeah, yeah. We were able to we were able to pick our seats, so they got like three seats on the left side of the plane, and I got a aisle seat on the middle side in the middle section of the plane, and so all four of us are kind of technically sitting in a row next to each other.

SPEAKER_04 6:47

So are you an aisle person all the time? Like, do you always choose an aisle?

SPEAKER_00 6:52

Okay, uh, I don't mind the window. I don't mind the window, I just kind of like like the legroom of the aisle, you know, being a little bit taller. Um, so yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:04

I remember I got stuck on a, I think it was my flight to Japan. This was um a long time ago, and I just remember I got stuck either in the middle seat or the window seat, and there was this very large man that was in the aisle, and he slept almost the whole way. So I literally every time I had to get up to pee, I had to like straddle him and like just pretty much like give him a lap dance, jump over him. Hopefully, I didn't wake him up, and like he would be woken up with me, like trying to straddle him. It would be so awkward. I remember I had to do that like twice in the flight because it was so long.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

There's a there's a um is it I'm trying to think of the movie Oh, Fight Club, where they talk about like you got the option of either giving somebody your front or your ass whenever you're like scooting by.

SPEAKER_03 7:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

So it's you know, you're either gonna face for face them as you're trying to scoot by face to face, or you're gonna put your back to them and scoot your booty across them. Like either way, it's kind of a lose-lose situation there. I mean, yeah, well, yeah, maybe for him, maybe he was like hoping you would go to the bathroom and he just played like he was sleeping.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

So now I'm trying to think what I do when I'm trying to scoot past someone. Do I give them my butt or do I give them my front? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

I give as a butt. You give as typically a butt.

SPEAKER_02 8:34

Yeah, typically that seems more natural. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

Yeah. I don't have the eye contact. No, yeah. Awkward, awkward eye contact. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

That seems right. Yeah. Well, we are very excited. I'm excited to see you in tow. Uh less than a week from now, we will be partying in Tundnum.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

Yeah.

unknown 8:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:01

Yeah. It sucks that the uh the schedule is what it is. Um, hopefully it's a night that maybe we can slip out a little early and things will wrap a little bit early and we can you know maximize our time out and everything like that. But no, for sure, it's gonna it's gonna be awesome.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

So that'll be a good time. Uh Rick, our CAD mayor in Seoul is already we're already making plans. So we're finding them a place that we can go and people can just meet up with us. But me and Korea Mosaic Tour is also in town, so I have friends who I can meet up from there as well. So we're gonna be one big CAD party and doing it condom style.

unknown 9:38

It's gonna be awesome.

SPEAKER_00 9:40

That'll be awesome.

SPEAKER_04 9:41

I'm having teacher FOMO. What about you, April? A little bit, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

I mean, Claire, you're not that far. You could play right?

SPEAKER_04 9:53

Yeah, I'm planning on going to Korea. I'm gonna be in Seoul uh like June 12th or 13th around then. Um, but hey, I could just go a little bit early and just hang out right here.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

You just go, you can come a little bit early. You know.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

Honestly, I and I I say this, and I remember feeling this way when I was like 25-minute drive from a trader to do this all the time, and then I didn't because I got too lazy. But if I lived where you live, like 15 minutes from a major airport, and I could hop over to Inchon and be there in like six hours, I would do, I feel like I would do that all the time. I would the island makes it so hard for me to. I'm sorry, this is a big it's so hard living on my island, and I gotta get up to the air such a first world problem.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

Who are you?

SPEAKER_02 10:44

And then I gotta lolly up to God, and then it's another major, you know, it's very long for me to get anywhere, is what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_04 10:54

You're right, Jenna. It's really easy from where I am. I'm like literally like 10 minutes from the airport, and the flight is probably less than five hours, and there's direct flights all day long to Inchon. I mean, it's easy. I might meet you for for a party night. Tell me what what night you're all meeting up, and I will try to make it for that weekend. Wednesday night. Wednesday, okay. Wednesday, okay. That's gonna be hard.

SPEAKER_00 11:19

But I'll be I'll be in Busan. I'll be in Busan over the weekend, and I'll be back in Seoul the following week. So you know.

SPEAKER_04 11:30

All right.

SPEAKER_00 11:31

You find yourself there. Trying to work it out. Hop on hop on over the pond. Is it a pond? What's what's in between ocean?

SPEAKER_04 11:40

Yeah, it's an ocean. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

Why is you hop over this body of water? The creek. Yeah, creek.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

Hop over the creek. Now a creek is smaller than a creek. They're two separate things.

SPEAKER_04 11:56

Oh, okay. Tell me more about that, April.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

I think it's a different way of saying creek.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

I think it's the same. We we could we could throw them as different things.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

I think you're covered in that one.

SPEAKER_04 12:14

Okay. Do you know what the body of water is called where the ocean meets a fresh water, like a delta. Is that it called a delta?

SPEAKER_00 12:25

Okay. Delta. I'm pretty sure it's a delta. Because I think that's what like the Mississippi flowing into the ocean down in Louisiana is. I think it's a delta. Could be really wrong and giving you bad information.

SPEAKER_04 12:41

It sounds good to me. I'll go with Delta. Yeah. We'll fact check it. We'll put it in.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

You know what's funny though? So I was I'm doing this so for our listeners, if you want to go back, um, I am doing I'm gonna try and do a daily like video blog um and practice uh leading up to um going to Korea. I've been doing a daily one. I gotta do one uh tonight, so probably after this call, I'll probably post one. But somebody commented, excuse me, somebody commented on my video one of my videos saying that I sounded southern and Midwest, which I thought was really interesting.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

And Midwest?

SPEAKER_00 13:26

Yeah, they're like that you sound either Southern or Midwest, and I and I and I think it's a Pittsburgh thing to where we're like kind of like South ish, like we're close enough to West Virginia where we sound a little trashy, but like we're like far enough east that we're not like Damn, taking strays over here. Okay, yeah, like I think Pittsburgh's a weird, you know, confluence of like dialects, and so yeah, I don't know. It's a it's a weird thing. Somebody said that sounded southern slash Midwest. I thought it was an interesting comment.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

Pittsburgh is really far away from Philadelphia. Yeah, I can't relate to anything you are saying, but I gotcha. I feel that. I think we're gonna push the case. Yeah, yeah, we got we have a little armpit of New Jersey in our way, but we just hop right over that and get it, you know.

unknown 14:23

It's fine.

SPEAKER_04 14:26

How often do you get to eat a Philly cheesesteak? Like a a real Philly.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

Never, never. No, no. Not so sad.

SPEAKER_02 14:37

Six hours away, Claire.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

I mean, yeah, they they have like everybody has like a very close approximation to like a Philly cheesesteak out in Pittsburgh, but it's clearly not the same. Just like you know, a Permanente sandwich is not the same out in Philly, I'm sure. You know, we don't even try Pittsburgh. Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:59

No, no, no, no. We don't even try. But a Permanni Brothers sandwich, it is it is good.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

It's glorious. It's a glorious thing.

SPEAKER_04 15:08

April, what is like the signature food that you get in your city? Are you in uh Cleveland? Cleveland, Ohio, Cleveland, yeah. What would it be?

SPEAKER_00 15:17

Yeah, eerie, eerie catfish that's got like six eyes and two tails is what is up in Cleveland.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

I'm not really sure. That so the there's like a drive-in hamburger place, Swinson's here, that's really popular. Um but it's weird because they put sugar on the hamburgers. Oh no. Thank you. You know, they and then like Cincinnati has that skyline chili, which is terrible.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

It's like spin on spaghetti sauce. It looks like diarrhea. Like it looks like meaty come on, diarrhea is what it looks like. I've had it every yeah. And I'm like, this is the worst chili ever.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

And they put it on hot round or they put it on spaghetti. Yeah, the spaghetti. That's weird. And I think they put like cinnamon in it. It's just a very straight you taste it, and it's like, okay, this is not anything like what I expected. No beans, no nothing.

SPEAKER_04 16:20

Yeah, you have to have beans and chili.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

Stoopy meat is what it is. It's yeah, it is soupy.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

Well, it's it's like they tried to make a bollies, but then they they turned the page onto something else halfway through, you know.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

Yeah, they they they they turned it onto tomato soup and made a soupy meat chili. Like it's disgusting.

SPEAKER_04 16:44

It almost reminds you of sloppy joe's. Remember sloppy Joe's growing up?

SPEAKER_01 16:48

It's very much like that, but not as sloppy Joe's, but no, yeah, no, like meat. It's the spices that they put in it.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

It's a soup. Yeah. Like imagine a watery, soupy sloppy joe, and that's what skyline chili is. It is abhorrent.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Like okay, so made it verbally offended by Ohio's cuisine, clearly.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

Yeah, Ohio I just want to y'all don't have shit in Ohio. Like, let's be honest. There's a lot of line here. No, literally far. Is anybody wait? I know April asked, but has anybody driven through Ohio? It is by far one of the most boring states to drive through. No, no, there's worse. There's absolutely worse. There's absolutely worse.

SPEAKER_04 17:36

I don't think so. I think Nate's right. My ex is from Ohio.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

It was terrible. Ohio isn't great, but there is absolutely worse to drive through.

SPEAKER_04 17:45

Okay, tell us where Indiana, Illinois, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

Um, Nebraska, New Mexico.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

All right. Here's here's the problem. Here's here's here's the difference between Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois, right? Ohio is wider. Indiana and Illinois are at least narrow, so it's not like it doesn't take as long to get through. Ohio is a is a pretty wide ass state, and it takes forever, forever to get through.

SPEAKER_01 18:13

You haven't driven through West Virginia, my friend. Oh, I have.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

The problem with West Virginia is if you break down, you can't call anybody because there's no fucking cell service. Like legitimately, if you go on Verizon, ATT, T Mobile, whoever your carrier is, and look at the map of West Virginia, there's a swath of just no cell service for any of them. If you do a cross-reference for all of the major cell phone sites, it's literally just this line through West Virginia where if you break down, you are dead to the world, nobody's gonna find you, and you may never come back. Like legitimately, there's no cell service there. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 19:02

I just want to recap for our 12 listeners. Uh, we have lost of our 12 listeners, we've lost our Bond Me lovers. Everyone from New Jersey, Ohio, West Virginia. Thanks, Nate.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

Sorry. We took out the rest of our demographic. Now we have no remote. Nobody was nobody's listening anymore. Nobody's listening now.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

We may have some West Coast people that we have yet to offend. Like all of our listeners are on the West Coast.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

Would you like to go ahead and give it a shot? You've got time.

SPEAKER_00 19:35

I mean, listen. Where are my notes? Let me let me pull up my notes real quick. The cost of living in California.

SPEAKER_04 19:44

Oh my god, that I mean, that killed me. I lived in San Francisco for a year. Well, outside. I lived at the beach. It was amazing. It was beautiful. But the cost of living, Nate, you're not wrong about that. I was about to be homeless. Like I was this close to being homeless. It was it was bad.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

So I had to get my car re car repaired and like state inspected and stuff because Pennsylvania is like ridiculous with their cars. And the dealership that I use offers a little driver that'll shuttle you back and forth for to work or wherever. And the dude came from from LA and he's like, I couldn't live there. He said a studio apartment, a studio apartment. So that's literally one room. Your bedroom, living room, and kitchen and dining room are all one room. Was like over $2,000.

SPEAKER_04 20:38

It was $3,000, Nate. That's what I had there. That sounds cheap. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was crazy. A studio.

SPEAKER_00 20:45

That's insane. Insane. That's double my mortgage.

SPEAKER_02 20:51

Nate, are you gonna take uh you said something about workout clothes? So you're gonna be running and stuff in Korea. You're gonna keep up the fitness.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

Yeah. Um, there's like this weird, like, I don't know. Uh if it's is it man-made? Are these like a man-made lakes by the Low T World Hotel? I don't know. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

I think it might be man-made.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

Probably man-made, they look a little too perfect to be like, you know, natural. So yeah. Just saying. Never mind. Nope, stop. Anyways, um, so they look a little too perfect to be natural. And um, yeah, if you run, Jenna just got it. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome to the conversation. And there goes the rest of the women listeners.

SPEAKER_03 21:40

There we go.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

Only the ones that have augmentation, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Um the ones that are taking offense because theirs are natural and not perfect.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

Listen, I understand like oftentimes one's bigger than the other and lower, and anyways. Um but no balls. If you run those those lakes, those little man-made lakes, right, then it is 1.6 miles. So if you do that twice, it's essentially a 5k. So I'm definitely gonna do that. I'm definitely want to run on the beach of Busan, because why not? It's a beach. Let's go for a run. So those are the two places I'm definitely gonna run.

SPEAKER_02 22:31

We have a we have a question from one of our listeners, from one of our analytics listeners. Sonny. And I don't want to get it wrong. I'm not sure if anybody has the notes there to read it directly.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

How do you want to die? Peacefully in your sleep or in a blaze of glory.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

I mean, if I could be dreaming in my like if I could be dreaming and as I'm dying, I'm going out in a blaze of glory in my dreams. That would be pretty amazing. Like I'm dreaming that I'm like fighting off a thousand zombies and protecting my loved ones, and I just get overcome by the zombies, and as they overcome, like I just die. Like zombies are pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Okay. Well, yeah, I mean, if you're gonna go out in a blaze of glory, you might as well have zombies. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 23:28

Well, you know, you're you're on the if you're taking the train to Pusan, Nate, there's the possibility. Oh, and you might get your run-in, you might be running pretty fast, you know, because um, and then it could be a real life dream come true.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

You could be eating a sandwich in your dream, eating a sandwich, fighting off the zombies, running on the beach. You could be able to get the bottom of the bottom.

SPEAKER_04 23:56

I could be using the hard bread of the bomb me to beat off the zombies because you know the butt side that that you just stab them with it.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

How dare you!

SPEAKER_00 24:13

I'm speaking for all the bomb means how dare you zombies with bomb me. I need a graphic designer that needs to be its own, like you know, comic three somebody 3D print that.

SPEAKER_02 24:27

Yes. Oh, my friend, friend of the pod, Curtis. Please get on that.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

Yes, Curtis.

SPEAKER_02 24:33

April, what do you think? April, do you want to go on a blaze of glory? Or what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 24:37

I I used to think sleep, and somebody mentioned, I forget what they said that made me change my mind. Um, it might have been something all about it just being boring or something. And I was like, you know what, you're right. Let's do something fun. It doesn't necessarily have to be a blaze of glory, but maybe I'm having the best steak I've ever had in my life, and then bam, aneurysm. You know, I don't want to feel it. Yeah, yeah, that would be great. That's the key point. I don't want to feel it or know that it's coming. Like no car accidents, no tragic accidents of any kind, really.

SPEAKER_04 25:20

No final destination.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

No medical drawn out thing, just you know, aneurysm. I like that.

SPEAKER_02 25:32

You don't want to you don't want to be standing on in a crosswalk and like watching a bus come towards you, is what you're saying.

SPEAKER_01 25:38

Yeah. But now, like if I'm if if I've got my headphones in and I'm having a great time and it comes up behind me and mows me down and I die instantly, that's a different story. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

I think um knowing him, although he will say that I don't, I feel the spirit of the question is blaze of glory more similar to what Nate is saying, like fighting off zombies, protecting loved ones, like in a helicopter to try to save the world. Oh. Or, you know, it has to be adrenaline of glory. Oh. Right. I don't think the question is do you want to feel death or not? That's fair. That's not the question.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

You're right. You're right. None of us want to. You know what? He would be he would be very grateful that you pointed out that I again did not answer the question properly.

SPEAKER_02 26:30

Yeah, we are noticing a pattern, April. It's okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

You would have made like a really good like lawyer or like witness because people would be interrogating you, and you'd be like, but you didn't answer the question.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

I swear it's my I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

Um I saw a video of our commander in chief and El Presidente, where somebody asked him a point-blank question, and it was five minutes of him not answering the question and him looking very satisfied with his answer, and then the reporter like repeating the question, like, but are you gonna do this? And he was just like, and like just turned away and moved off now. It was it's incredible.

SPEAKER_01 27:16

So I won't turn away. I won't turn away if it has to be like true blaze of glory, then I'd rather go in my sleep. I don't I don't want to have to be like fighting off anything or but what would be your blaze of glory?

SPEAKER_00 27:34

I feel like your blaze of glory would be like cussing out some Karen for like bitching about something that was completely racist, and you're just like letting her have it and just like blah blah blah blah blah, and then maybe you have the aneurysm and like in the middle of all of that, and like boom.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

Maybe, but I would I would hope that it would be something more productive, like maybe instead of cussing out a Karen, it would be like in the process of getting a bill passed or changing a law, you know, that actually made that.

SPEAKER_02 28:08

And they would name a school after you. Oh, and that would be a place of statue.

SPEAKER_04 28:14

Yeah, statue. You know you've made it when you get a statue in the street.

SPEAKER_03 28:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

Uh-huh. Okay, yeah. Yeah. First Korean American something something who did this.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

It'd be great.

SPEAKER_02 28:31

Um, I like that very much. You know, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 28:34

What about you, Jenna? What are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 28:37

Oh, well, I I definitely want to die in my sleep, for sure. I I we've already talked about this. I don't want to be, I don't want to be a hero. I don't want to be in the zombie apocalypse. If the nuclear meltdown is coming, I'm gonna look out my window and go, okay, how much time we got? I'm gonna go to the garage, turn on the car, put in my earbuds, listen to some nice music, call text a couple friends. That's that's where I'm going.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

What's on the playlist? What's on your dying playlist?

SPEAKER_02 29:05

Oh, probably some like good, good 90s grunge, like some mellow, like we got some, you know, smashing pumpkins, got a little R E N. No, that's too, that's a little too, you know, I don't want to go out like headbanging. Uh, you know, it's not that's not the vibe we're we're going for a meet. Yeah, I'm very clear. Um, and people have said, no, Jenna, you you can you don't want me to come with you. I will just hold you back. I'd be like, oh, my feet hurt, and when are we stopping for a snack? But the zombies are right there. You don't want me with you guys. Let me go. You can build a statue of me later for all the great things that I've contributed to the community.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

Yeah. Claire, what are you doing? Blaze of glory or something.

SPEAKER_04 29:50

I feel like I would, in theory, I would like to go out in like some noble way, fighting, you know, fighting the good fight, and maybe, you know, I saving someone's life while they're being attacked by a shark or something like that. But in all reality, I know how I'm gonna go out. It's gonna be a tragedy, but also a comedy. I'm probably gonna trip and fall in the gutter and then get run over by the Bombao guy, and that'll be it. Because that's really like oddly specific tragic comedy.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

Got real dark real fast there.

SPEAKER_04 30:31

Tell them who it's I thought about this several times. The Bambao guy. So there's this guy, and there it's not just one guy, okay? So it's like many, many throughout Vietnam, and all day and all night he rides on this little bicycle, and it's got a little trailer where he cooks these Bam Bao, which is like a steam bun. And it's like a little, it's amazing. It's like an actual little like fire that is attached, and then it steams them while he's driving around. But he's got it rigged to like this microphone that announces to the world all all over this constant bum bow bum bow bum bow. And it's so loud.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Very rhythmic. Ban bau, bun bow, move over. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 31:22

So all the time. Because all the times in my head, I'm not gonna, I'm not proud to admit this, but I've wished death on the bun bau guy when he was keeping me awake. And that's how I'm gonna go out. It's gonna be the bon bao guy. It's just full karma coming back.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:40

I mean, if he's keeping you awake, I get it.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

So you'll be walking, crossing the street, and like trip over, and the bon bao guy is not gonna see his bike and cart is just gonna mow you over.

SPEAKER_04 31:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

Just that's how I'm gonna go out, Nate.

SPEAKER_04 32:04

I can see this. We will be fast and painless. Yes. I don't we will put a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00 32:13

I don't know that that's gonna be fast. It's a bite. I haven't seen it before.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

It's a little drawn out, clear.

SPEAKER_00 32:22

It feels like you may not actually perish. It may be like years of like misery and pain.

SPEAKER_04 32:29

There's uh yeah, I may just get memed horribly.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Yeah, you may wanna may want to reconsider your your death wish options there. But all right.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

Hopefully we all oh no, go ahead. I was just gonna say, although the um the comedic value of that scenario is true, is is very good.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

Wait, is anybody um Avatar the Last Airbender fan?

SPEAKER_01 32:58

I mean, I've seen that, but I don't know that I'd call myself like a fan.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Well, there's like a running gag in it where like I think it's a market guy and he's got like fruit or food or something, and then like something happens and it upsets his cart, and he's like all upset and sad about it. So that's what what it reminded me of. Like this this bow guy running around and Claire's out there just cursing his name each time he runs by.

SPEAKER_04 33:25

Well, I I'm thinking the alternate way I might go out, I'll probably choke while eating Bon Mi.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

That would be another amazing comedic death.

unknown 33:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

That that hard roll, and you there's like no water around, and you're just like, it's all dry.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

Yeah. Hopefully we all make it in time. We all make it through so that we can all go to Khan and that Nate can go to Korea, and we can all report back to tell everybody how it was.

SPEAKER_04 34:01

Well, we have to wait until April gets to Korea too.

SPEAKER_02 34:05

Yes, we have to all make it for April to come and come to Korea and leave as well. So let's try to watch out for all the zombies and the carts and the aneurysms until then. All right.

SPEAKER_00 34:16

Well, the zombies are in my dreams. Yeah, I want to I wanna go like I want to go out in a blaze of glory in my dreams asleep, and then flatline.

SPEAKER_02 34:32

We have some more round robin questions, I think.

SPEAKER_01 34:35

We do, we do. Um you're at Korean barbecue. Are you the grill master? The tongs thief, or just there to eat? Just there to eat.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

Just there to eat.

SPEAKER_01 34:49

I'm sometimes the grill.

SPEAKER_04 34:53

You're the grill master. It's funny.

SPEAKER_00 34:55

I'm I'm the tongs thief. Like I'm taking the tongs and I'm like distributing the food. Like, hey, do you want more? Here's you know what I'm saying? But oftentimes what happens is if you're the tongs thief, you then sometimes become the grill master because you got the tongs.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 35:16

So it's it's a dual rule whenever like that happens. So yeah, it's much like kind of like you know, if you have a bonfire, like I'm the person that's like messing with a bonfire all times, you know. So it's very akin to that. Like, oh, let's let's move the meat around. Hey, this is done. Who wants more? Like that type of thing.

SPEAKER_04 35:38

I'll add a follow-up question to that. If you're doing a bonfire, you're making some more.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

Oh it has to be on fire first.

SPEAKER_04 35:52

Oh, okay. And then you set it on fire, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

I'll let it get black all the way around and blow it out, and then get a little crunchy outer.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

Slow turner, lightly browned, yeah. Get it real hot in the middle, gooey. Yeah, and yeah, I don't want any straw and the marshmallow. Yeah, you know, you know Nate.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

Oh. So I try and and do a light brown, but like it's it's like a one in like 12 chance that it comes out like perfect and light brown. Oftentimes it just catches on fire. So like, but like my goal is that perfect, like light crisp on the outside, but it like I said, it's like one in twelve that it ever happens.

SPEAKER_02 36:40

It's an art form because if you do it too long, then it gets it gets too hot and the marshmallow will fall off your stick, and then you've wasted all of that time. So it is a it is a slow process, yeah, of doing it. But yeah, but but being grill master, April, that's a lot of pressure. I mean, you don't you don't really get to, you know, you gotta coordinate many things and try to have a conversation. And I, you know, I love the Korean adopte culture because we do have a very distinct thing. We really do. But I say even to my friends living in Korea, when we get together, I say, you know, guys, we don't have to get Korean barbecue. This is no longer a novelty. We live here and they we always go to Korean barbecue. It's a whole thing. It's like, but you can't, you can't, but like it's not a conducive place to like actually sit and have a conversation and like be intimate with one another and like share it because you're too busy. Like, is the grill too hot? Who's distributing the meat? We gotta cook this the right way. Do you want to do it? Pass your plate. Yeah. It's like, okay, well, this was relaxing. Great catch-up, guys. See you next time.

SPEAKER_04 37:50

It's a good way to determine if you're meeting people for the first time, you don't really know them what that well. Whoever takes on whatever role when you're at K barbecue, it's kind of like how their personality is. So there's one person who always is like, you know, okay, I'm gonna like dominate and I'm gonna take those tongs and I'm gonna be the one to grill, I'm gonna distribute, I'm gonna do that. Like they take on that role, and then there's some people just sit back and watch. There's someone that's pouring the soju, there's someone that's um, you know, calling um for for more, I don't know, lettuce or whatever. So I feel like there's like used to like sit and watch within one dinner, you kind of see what everyone is going to be like.

SPEAKER_00 38:35

Um I'll say this though, like just because you're the grill master, like sometimes I've been in situations in my little local group here in Pittsburgh where the grill master is off is oftentimes like the servant person, like they're they're there to like kind of serve other people. So they're not necessarily in charge or like the leader, like it they they take on more of a servant mentality, like, oh, I'm gonna take this while other people can have conversation and talk and stuff like that. So it you know, I do think that like that that happens sometimes, but it's definitely a good like team building activity because like you said, Claire, like you you get to see people's personality and where you know where their priorities are and who's who's taking charge and who's doing what for sure.

SPEAKER_04 39:28

Yeah, go ahead, GG with Jenna.

SPEAKER_02 39:30

No, I just uh a great retreat program specialized in caters for Korean adoptees who are returning to the motherland. They I do really enjoy um hosting. I like being a hostess either in my home or when you're coming to the island. And that then I don't mind grilling because Korean barbecue in Korea, there's a lot of there are some differences, and it can be overwhelming when you're sitting down. So I don't mind taking the lead, ordering the things, grilling the meats, and then um, even if I'm not grilling the meats and I'm just with friends, I typically am the person who gets up to refill all the sides, and you're kind of looking like, do we need more of the lettuce and the garlic and all the things? Um, but there is, yeah, the the person pouring the alcohol is another important role. Because that is a that is a really attentive like looking around at the glasses and kind of gauging. Yeah, it that is also an art form. Kreens are very, you know, like the fluid thing happening with everybody interacting. It's nice.

SPEAKER_01 40:35

When I went to uh oh god, it wasn't Raleigh, but it was outside of Raleigh for that documentary showing. We went to just like American barbecue because I was talking to the director, Joda, and I was like, you know, if you're cool with it, like we don't have to go to an Asian place. I don't if you're if you're okay with it. And they were just like, Yeah, I'm I'm totally cool with it. I was like, you know, we we can still go to barbecue. There's one nearby, it's walking distance, and that is easy. You can just order a bunch of different mates. Like, that's what's great about a lot of Korean restaurants is that you don't necessarily have to know the food or know what you want. So unless you are somebody with like mad food allergies or you're just really picky, you can just point and you create your own family buffet at the table. Um so, but yeah, that was that was really nice to to not have to do Korean barbecue because when you're wanting to interact with each other, it's much easier to just talk instead of like start. Sometimes the exhaust fans are really loud and and you're reaching the tables are bigger, so you have to like reach over. And then there was one uh time, it wasn't a barbecue, it was just a Korean restaurant, and it was just one long table, but there were probably six deep on one side, and I was all the way down here at the end. So about two people down is about as far as I got with conversation. So the second half of the table, you just didn't get to interact with. Um dim sum, I find I have found is a nice alternative, like an Asian food alternative, because the tables are round and you can order the different foods, so and you can usually fit like 10 to 12 people sometimes around one big table, and you can still talk from across the table with each other. So that's not bad. I wouldn't hate to do that one time.

SPEAKER_02 42:39

I'm so hungry. I want to eat just so bad right now.

SPEAKER_01 42:44

So, um, so what's your karaoke song? So if you know a bong, what do you sing when you're trying to impress versus when you don't care at all? Or do you have a go-to song?

SPEAKER_02 43:01

Nate shaking his head.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

I don't remember you singing my song.

SPEAKER_00 43:06

Yeah, Nate doesn't do karaoke. Okay. Um yeah. Uh like there maybe like if we get like four to five, like so, you know, on the Nate Soju scale.

SPEAKER_01 43:19

I was gonna say, does three soju nate though?

SPEAKER_00 43:23

No, three so even three soju nate does not Noribong. Okay. Maybe four, probably five. Okay. But like three, even three bottles mate is not not Noribong in. Well, Jenna, there you go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

Three because three soju nate is pretty fun. So if we can get up to four Wednesday night, yeah, I'll get some video. Don't you worry. It'll be the clip for the for the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 43:53

Yeah, it Jenna will go live if I start no. Oh, that'd be right. So watch it.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

I will 100% go. Mayor.jenda.explores. Wednesday morning, Eastern Standard Time. Um, I am a 90s Mandy Moore gal. Also, you know, I really, she's she's she's my vibe. But there's a there's a couple Adele songs that I can do if I'm really feeling it. But we gotta break out the Bohemian Rhapsody. It is a great group song. It's very long, but lots of parts. Everybody can kind of like jump in and do their thing, you know. And if Cory Lemke and I are together, my heart will go on. Half of Noribond for me is the interpretive dance that comes along with it. You know, you really lean into it. You know, you can just like express yourself, like Saline Beyond in the 90s. Yeah, like hair blowing. That's what Noribond room needs, a fan. I think that they you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:03

Well, Jenna, you're an incredible singer. So anything, you are going to just um blow everyone away. And and I will be your backup dancer every time. I will sit there with a fan, I'll even blow, you know, so your hair blows back, and I will do whatever in order not to sing. Because you don't want to hear me singing, but I'll backup dance and I'll do the tambourine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

So there's not enough. Oh, yeah, the tambourine.

SPEAKER_04 45:37

There's four or five sojus.

SPEAKER_01 45:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:41

I don't know, but we'll we'll have to see. I mean, I'm not gonna I won't say never, never say never. I mean, we'll have to see. I I don't think I've I've gone too many sojus in. So I think two. We've talked about this before. I think two's my limit. Yeah, I think I've made it to two.

SPEAKER_02 46:03

No. After one, I'm one.

SPEAKER_01 46:11

April? I can't wait. Um, let's see. Uh Adele, Romer, uh that song. I I do like that one. Um I also like Something to Talk About by Bonnie Wright.

SPEAKER_04 46:29

It's a good one. Great, great song.

SPEAKER_01 46:32

Um, now if I'm drunk enough and she thinks that she can, I have been known to whip out I Have Nothing by Whitney Houston.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

Oh, dang. Girl, I want to give her an incredible signal. Wait, I can't wait. I'll be pouring your drinks.

SPEAKER_01 46:51

Oh, we were day drinking in Mexico because my friend was down there getting married, and we we were singing it the night before in the hotel room, and I said, Well, tomorrow I'm singing that for all you bitches, and then I got drunk again the next night and was feeling that. I was like, I'm doing it, I'm singing that for my bitches. And so I I got up there and I did, honey, I did get a standing ovation about halfway through. Some people were standing up and clapping for me, and then they stood up again at the end. But uh, but yeah, I don't know if it was any good. Like, you know, everybody was drunk. I was drunk.

SPEAKER_04 47:29

I I can see April.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

Carrie Underwood, uh is that on your uh your playlist? Before Hates was a song that uh when I was in a cover band, that was a song that I covered, yeah. I can totally see you doing that song.

SPEAKER_02 47:46

And April, my god. I believe the meaning laughs, Jenna. Oh my god, you can do my nails and makeup and you or in a cover band. I can. I can, yeah. I can sing at the wheel. Yes, well, I I I really like some Jesus Take the Wheel. I I can I can get down with some Jesus Take the Wheel, you know.

unknown 48:09

All right.

SPEAKER_02 48:09

Big powerful message there. But yeah, I'm very excited. Uh, there's a whole Noribang culture and protocol as well that I really enjoy. And I don't like to take the lead there either. Like you go, someone knows what to do, they know how to work the remote, set up the first few songs that are real bangers, get everyone in there, and you know, you know, grease the wheels and you know, prime the room a little bit, get everyone comfortable, pour the shots, and then everyone's pretty well good to go. But yeah, it's a whole thing. I'm very excited because you're gonna do it in Korea, and it's gonna be awesome. Probably next Wednesday after four soju's four sojus.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

Four sojus. Well, here's the thing is that um this is probably gonna come out after I go to Korea, right? So um people are gonna know whether this was successful or not. If you go live and it's me singing, so I'm just saying, um there may be spoilers you may have seen a live. I don't know. Whatever happens in Korea clearly does not stay in Korea because it's all over all over the gram. So uh tune into Jenna's gram and see if they are successful uh with uh this the soju and getting Nate to Nori Bomb. So we'll see.

SPEAKER_03 49:32

Let's go. Let's go. Okay, well we're not far from that.

SPEAKER_04 49:45

About five more minutes. Um let's talk about um let's talk about Vietnam. Like April, you're doing the Ha Yang Loop, right? On the on the scooter bike, on the motorbikes.

SPEAKER_01 50:02

Yes, I am I've got to, I realize it's been probably two decades since I've ridden a bicycle or been on a motorcycle. So I'm gonna need to make sure I can find my center of gravity before I command to ride the next four days. So I'm gonna find time in the summer to like make a point to go rent a bike downtown or something and find an empty alleyway to not make another file.

SPEAKER_04 50:35

Are you gonna drive it or are you gonna ride on the back of someone's?

SPEAKER_01 50:39

Just ride on the back of it, but I I don't want to like freak out and be like, I don't know what to do with my body and then over or something. Um but yeah, I'm excited about that. Uh I think Molly's coming and her husband.

SPEAKER_04 50:54

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 50:55

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 50:57

Wow. That's so cool. Yeah, I'm debating on whether or not I want to do it. Like, I definitely want to do it. I just like I don't want to die on the back of a I don't want to fall down the cliff or something. But so I'm I'm reading, I'm doing a little research. Like you can hire like a car or like a Jeep, you know. So I'm thinking um I might go that route. That way I guess still get to go. And I, you know, I feel a little bit safer on a Jeep. Um, and then I was talking to Lori yesterday, and Lori may be coming out for ICA as well. And so I'm trying to convince her to come out to Vietnam afterwards. So maybe Laura and I will do the high yang loop together with on in a Jeep.

SPEAKER_01 51:44

That'll be oh wow. Yeah, I'm excited for uh all of us to hang out in Korea or Vietnam, but we'll be there for I guess, so um get some really good content too.

SPEAKER_02 52:08

I can't wait to go back to Southeast Asia. I think the plan my goals for next year, next academic year, uh, because I'm told that when I say year and I mean academic year, that's weird to people, but I still think about the years in terms of academic years. Cut all of that, April, that's not irrelevant to the story. Next year, my plan is to go to Japan. It's shameful that I have not really explored it, being that uh it's right, it's right there. It's right there. Uh Japan, and I want to go to Taipei, also right there, and make it back to Southeast Asia, Vietnam and or Thailand, because I'm gonna have really good friends in gold, and I loved gold so much.

SPEAKER_04 53:00

Do it. I'm gonna try it. Do it. Oh my gosh, the food in Japan, Japan, oh the oh, it's so good. But also, I love that you know, you're getting out there. I want to go back to Japan, but I also want to go to like um Okinawa. Is that how you say it? It looks beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 53:18

That looks beautiful, I know. Um, I'm gonna butcher it, but I think I'm gonna fly into Fukoko. The knowledge of Japan is real small, and I did go once for like 48 hours, and I'm being told that that was not a real experience, and then I need to just pretend I've never been to Japan and start over and give it another try. So I'm I'm happy to do that.

SPEAKER_04 53:49

So is this the adventure with Aaron on the on the cruise? Is that what you're planning on doing?

SPEAKER_02 53:55

I think we're gonna skip the ferry ride. I had really romanticized it because the ferry rides in in Jeju, from Jeju up to Mokpo, are like mini cruises. I mean, they're so legit. It's um now there's a couple ferries up there to Wando and Jindo that are not better a little bit more, you're just sitting on a boat. But I really thought, oh, going to Japan, it'll be great. It'll be like a mini cruise ship. And and I don't think that's kind of what it is. I think you're sitting, you know, and it's expensive and it's long. So because I don't have a lot of time or money, then we're just gonna fly and um figure it out. But yeah, it'll be a third Jenna and Aaron uh bogus adventure in the series. I think there's only three Bill and Ted's excellent adventure movies, and one of them is gonna be Ika that we already planned. So we're just gonna have to make our own Jenna and Aaron excellent adventure series at this point.

SPEAKER_04 55:02

Do they have caves in Japan? I'm just wondering.

SPEAKER_02 55:05

I hope so. I was saying this to Mike the other day. I have been to four caves on four continents in four countries, five countries. I have been to four prisons in four countries on four continents.

SPEAKER_01 55:24

You're exceptional prisons, I love it.

SPEAKER_02 55:27

I find prisons to be fascinating. Why seems to be fascinating? I don't know. I prisons are very historical. If you go to old penitentiaries, very historical. They are like a nice time capsule. I mean they're not nice, but they're a time capsule of that era in a culture's history. Right? So when you're looking at all of the this is how they used to treat people who were what society considered to be like unworthy. That says a lot about the human condition, guys. I mean, that says a lot about where that country was and its priority of different things and whether we're talking about war. My most recent prison that I went to was in Seoul, and I'm gonna forget the name of it. We can put it in the show notes. But it's um it's the one that the Japanese built in Seoul for Koreans. And it's very well preserved, and there's a really big section uh about the women, the women um advocates and protesters who were there. You know, it's just it's it's like really empowering to read about some of the people. Again, these are folks that the the society at the time deemed to be dangerous and like bad. Actually, they were they were protesting for the independence of our country. Like, so I I just find prisons to be so interesting. And I've been to Robin Island in South Africa, Alcatraz, you know, in California, San Francisco, and the similarities are so crazy, you know, because they're both on an island by major cities, and they both say the in you know, inmates at the time interviewed would say, like, it's it's it's hell because you can hear the city from the island, like when you're trapped in prison, like you can hear like the wind carries and people are having a good time and dancing and glasses are clinking, and I mean how wild, right? Like two different countries. Well, not as passionate about prisons as I am about sandwiches, but you know, close.

SPEAKER_04 57:48

Have you been to the um the medieval museum? I think it's called the medieval museum in in um, I think Washington, DC. Have you ever been there? Because that's wild. It's like uh all the torture chambers and and the torture devices and everything that they used back in the medieval times. Like that's wild. And then um, oh my gosh, yeah, I was in St. Thomas when I lived in St. Thomas. They have a lot, I mean, they have a a lot of history of slavery and colonization there, and they have some of like like the original buildings where they were kept kind of like a prison, you know, in slavery, and they have like these rooms where you can go in, and there's like they recreate the sounds. Like if you were back there and there were like these women and children were kept in these cells, and there were like babies crying and like people screaming, and it was just like, what? Like they preserved all of these like museums so you could like recreate what it would be like to be back in the slavery times in the Caribbean. I mean, that's wild too. And I was like, oh no, I can't handle this. Like, that's why I don't want to go to prisons, I don't like them. I don't I don't want to think about people being tortured and killed and babies screaming. It's so sad.

SPEAKER_02 59:13

I feel like that's normal. Like what you're saying is normal, Claire.

SPEAKER_01 59:17

Well, I don't think they do the reenactments in the prison tours like they do in in the right. Maybe not. That's pretty dramatic. That is dramatic.

SPEAKER_02 59:28

They have like that's wild. There are in the Korean prison the prison in Seoul, there they used to they have these wooden cupboards that were just wide enough for like a grown man to stand in, and they closed the door. So you can't sit, you can't lay down, but you're just trapped. So they have those that you can like go and stand in to try it out.