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Breaking Down Brakes - Part 2
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In this episode of Good Carma Podcast, I continue my conversation with automotive instructor Mr. Jordan Cantillano from LA Trade Tech as we go further into brake system basics. We talk about why brake fluid should usually not be “topped off,” how brake fluid level can actually tell you about brake pad wear, and what can happen when air gets into the braking system.
We also get into brake boosters, vacuum leaks, master cylinders, and the surprising ways brake issues can sometimes mimic engine problems. Along the way, we discuss warning signs like spongy or unusually hard brake pedals, dashboard brake lights, and what normal brake feel should actually be like.
We shift into practical habits that can help your brakes last longer — including driving style, excess vehicle weight, tire tread, engine braking, and even why certain tire shine sprays can create problems for both tires and brakes.
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You mentioned that it's a sealed system, which I want to talk just a little bit about how that works and how that's so important in relation to not topping off your brake fluid.
SPEAKER_01Yes. So the the and it's it's funny you mentioned that about the the topping off because that's something that's and I mean I I kind of hate to say it, but you know, in they do it in shops, they top it off. I mean, I'm not gonna name any places, but you know, there's some loop some some places that I've heard my students tell me, and I've had my I tell my students to challenge, challenge them, yeah, challenge, even challenge the boss. Um, unfortunately, sometimes you you got to do what you got to do because you have the knowledge, and topping off is not a good idea. Now, the reason is because this is what happened. Then earlier we were talking about um the the the brake indicator, right? So one another another way to check to see how your brake pads are doing is by checking your brake fluid.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So if you ever look at the brake fluid reservoir, you're gonna see a minimum and a maximum line. Okay, so in between that minimum and maximum line, that that gap or that space is gonna dictate how much brake pads you have left. So it's a very, very good indicator. So, for example, I mentioned earlier about the brake uh pad indicators, right? The yellow, red. And let's say that we have five millimeters left, which we mentioned it's a yellow indicator, right? If I look at my brake fluid reservoir, my fluid should be in between minimum and max, like halfway. Then again, I mentioned five millimeters, that's why I kind of like to tell the students let's let's let's translate it to percentage, makes it easier for you know us the regular Joes and Janes to understand what what it might be. So if I have five millimeters, I say translate it to 50%. So that's about halfway. So if I look at my reservoir on my on my brake fluid, it should be roughly halfway. So if it's halfway, now I know. Now, I always tell the students and I tell everybody that I know, I say, remember, don't take it with a grain of salt. Because what if the person before topped off the brake fluid? Then that theory pretty much goes away. Now, if let's say they do top off the brake fluid and the brake pads are low, and now I change the brake pads. When I change the brake pads, what I'm supposed to do is push the brake caliper piston back inside.
SPEAKER_00Can we do just a quick aside of to explain why when the brake pads get smaller, the fluid goes through?
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay. So, so when when the brake pads start wearing out, the material is going to waste. So, in a sense, we talked about earlier 10, 12 millimeters for a brand new brake pad. When they start wearing out, the millimeters start going less, so they start getting thinner. So, what ends up happening is the piston inside the caliper is completely compressed inside once you put new brake pads in. Once the brake pads start wearing out, that piston slowly starts coming out, right? Because it needs to make sure that the brake pad is relatively near to the rotor at all times. So behind the piston, there is the chamber, and inside that chamber we have brake fluid.
SPEAKER_00Which is related to as soon as you hit the brake pedal up front, that same fluid is sort of being pressed.
SPEAKER_01Yes, and it transfers all the way to the caliper and it presses the piston to make contact for us to stop. That being said, that fluid doesn't go anywhere because it's a sealed system. Brake fluid is not one that it wastes or anything like a lubricant, like engine oil or transmission fluid that causes lubrication. There's none of that, it's a hydraulic unit. So since it's hydraulic, it needs the fluid to push. Right. So since it pushes it, that fluid has to go somewhere so it stays put. But then here's the here's the here's the kicker. Once we see that the fluid is low and we push the piston back in, now that fluid that's behind has to go back up. And when it goes back up, it goes back up to the reservoir. And if it's topped off, guess what? It's gonna it overflows, it pretty much overflows, and then you're like, Oh wow, I'm leaking. And it's not that it's because you know, someone in the past topped off brake fluid, which is something that you shouldn't be doing. And I've heard it plenty of times where oh, let's put it at max. No, that's not how it works. That's not how that this is not engine oil where it needs to be at a particular level or or transmission fluid or it needs to be at a level, right? This is fluid that you know it needs to be at its spot, but it's going to go down and come back up.
SPEAKER_00And so if um someone does top off, you you change the pads, and now there's not enough space for all the fluid. You said it could leak, can it uh damage something that's of course because it's going to create too much pressure.
SPEAKER_01You need you need you need that space of of air to be able to compress and decompress.
SPEAKER_00What's a likely component or two that would need replacing after something like that?
SPEAKER_01I mean, the master cylinder could go could go bad. I mean, you could uh align um you know things along the way. But in most cases, what will end up happening is you know, the the the reservoir itself, it'll probably spew out. Okay, and then what happens is when something pops open, it's an open door for our good old hydroscopic air to try to find their way to sneak in. Because since it's a hydroscopic fluid, the fluid's always gonna look for air, and air is gonna look for it. So once it finds it, it's it's gonna want to come inside.
SPEAKER_00Oh, and another thing about the fluid that I forgot I forgot until just now, um, is that it's very corrosive. So if it's spewing all over the place, that's not great.
SPEAKER_01If it gets on paint, it could deteriorate the paint paint.
SPEAKER_00And also, I'd like to remind people if you're doing your own work, uh, wear gloves.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, yeah, because it it's not something where let me just leave it and forget about it, right? Like I always tell my students, if you're going to uh you know, mess mess around or you know, touch brake fluid or whatever you're gonna do with it, make sure if you're not using gloves, wash your hands right after. Yeah, right, especially since it's hydro hydroscopic, right?
SPEAKER_00Right, it's not gonna, it's not like acid is not gonna eat your skin away immediately.
SPEAKER_01But you don't want to leave it on there either.
SPEAKER_00Definitely wash it off as soon as you can.
SPEAKER_01Yes, but yes, definitely recommendations always use uh some latex gloves. Yeah, it's good practice. And uh, you know, try to if you could use a fender cover, use a fender cover so then you don't get it on the paint, right? You know, so because you are going to be, you know, it's usually gonna be located on the driver's side. So we want to make sure that if you are adding or taking some off or whatever you're doing, you know, you got to be careful because you don't want it to fall into the paint.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And I was asking you earlier, there's not really a light that comes on saying your brakes are low. But uh, can we talk just a little about why the brake light on your dash would come on? Because if the fluid is if that would be related to fluid is one reason. Yes, which then by inference you can infer that then maybe your brake pads.
SPEAKER_01So so there's in reality, there's three reasons why that light would come on. The three main reasons is the first one is the most obvious. Our handbrake is engaged or parking brake is engaged, right? Uh so usually when someone sees that light, the first thing they do is, oh, let me see my parking brake's engaged. So disengage it and the light goes off. Now, if it doesn't, it's usually a fluid issue. Because what happens is there is going to be a brake fluid indicator on the inside of the reservoir. It's pretty much like a level, right? So once it reaches that minimum line, usually where the minimum line is at is where that sensor is going to be located. So what will happen is when the fluid goes below that minimum level, the light will come on. Now remember what we talked about when we said that if we compare the brake fluid to the brake pads, if it reaches to the minimum, we're getting close to about two millimeters, which means we talked about it, two millimeters is the number that we're looking at, right? That's our our scratching indicator that we have, our brake fluid, even our gauges that we use, the gauges that we buy, everything is two millimeters when it's the minimum. When it reaches there, right? That's where you know the light will come on because the fluid has reached that point. So in some instances, people will see this like they're driving and the brake light will flicker, which means that sometimes it'll come on, it'll come off. You got to remember when you're driving around, the fluid is gonna be you know swishwashing around, you know, it's gonna be moving around inside the reservoir. And when it does that, if it goes below that marker, the light comes on. But that's why it will flicker because it'll notice oh, it's below, turn the light on. Oh, it's back to the top, turn the light off. So that light will indicate that. And then the last case, when you usually have that brake light, it's usually you might have a hydraulic issue, which is you know the the least common thing where you do have some issue internally, which is hydraulic, right? But that's you know, in most cases for people to understand with the light, those two top, the top two are usually the ones that you're gonna encounter low fluid or the or the parking brakes engaged.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Um, I did want to talk about the brake booster, because I think that's there's some really interesting things that go along with the brake booster, which is like a brake assist.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00There's a few things like I think it's interesting, and again, correct me if I'm wrong, but if there's an issue with the brake booster, some some kinds of issues can make it seem like there's something terribly wrong with the engine.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And vice versa, if there's an engine problem, you might find it harder to hit your brake pedal.
SPEAKER_01Yes, yes, and the reason is is because uh most brake boosters are vacuum actuated, and what it uses, it uses the engine's vacuum.
SPEAKER_00Right, like an engine when it's on, it's creating vacuum.
SPEAKER_01Yes, it's creating vacuum. So when it creates vacuum, the the brake booster uses the engine's vacuum to pretty much enhance your your your braking capabilities. That's what the booster is gonna do, right? So it's gonna use that vacuum and and ensure that whenever you step on the brakes, it ensures that it gives that little extra, you know, a little extra oomph, you know, when you're when you're applying the brakes, it's gonna help it engage. And also when it decompresses, right, it helps it come back as well because it also uses the vacuum as well, as for the brake booster. So the brake booster has a couple of functionalities that you know pretty much assist us while we're stepping on the brakes. But then we could also have another issue where you know, if the brake booster is bad, right, it's we're gonna have those issues where we could have an issue with the pedal on how it feels, right? We could have a pedal that goes all the way to the ground. And we're assuming, hey, do we have air in the system? Because normally, whenever the brake pedal goes all the way to the ground, the first initial thought is I have air in the system. But if the brake booster is bad, right, that's gonna cause that the brake pedal to go all the way to the ground as well. So that could be an issue as well. Okay, so we've you know, we've encountered issues like that as well, and that sometimes is an issue, right? Where the brake booster is bad and you know the pedal is acting weird, so we could have that as well.
SPEAKER_00And what about if the diaphragm, sort of like the rubber uh divider between the engine and the yeah, on the inside of the other is torn or broken and it's letting in too much air. So now you have a vacuum leak situation. Uh, if it's serious enough, that can cause the car to spall.
SPEAKER_01Is that of course, yes, because now we're having a vacuum leak. And remember, the vacuum needs to be at a particular amount for the engine to run fine. And then the the the brake booster has a hose that's attached to the intake manifold at all times. So once the car is running, that vacuum is running through that line the whole time. So if we do have a leak inside the diaphragm, right, in most cases, you could even hear the hissing sound. Oh, right, I really could you could hear a hissing sound on the brake booster. But yes, it definitely will give you uh you could say that the engine will kind of feel like it wants to stall, like it's lacking power to a certain extent, because we're losing vacuum. And when we're losing vacuum, you know, the engine's not going to run at you know what we call peak performance, right? So, yes, definitely if we do have a leak internally, it could affect it. Now we we think a brake system is its own, but you know, a lot of things kind of interact with each other, right?
SPEAKER_00Which I think is so interesting, and I love that kind of thing where something that seems like it would be a giant engine issue and huge repair might be just and I don't know how big a job fixing the brake booster diaphragm is, but it's probably not like you know, replacing or redoing it.
SPEAKER_01Let me rebuild an engine or something.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01It's it's relatively it's not difficult. Some of it could be a little bit tedious because you do have to go underneath the the um you know the footwell, so you have to go under there to be able to take it out from one side and then disconnect it from the other from where the firewall is at. So it's yeah, it's not an easy job to replace a booster, but it's not difficult, it's not something it's it on all honesty, it's three, four bolts to hold the whole thing in place.
SPEAKER_00So it'll be less than um replacing piston rings or something like that.
SPEAKER_01Yes, definitely.
SPEAKER_00Um, so if you do have that significant vacuum leak, you might get an engine light like a P0171 potential small, right?
SPEAKER_01Yes, and then it could it could even be as easy as the the rubber hose that attaches the booster to the engine, there could be a slit on it, it could be a cut on that line too. So in a lot of cases, yes, you could easy that'd be a super easy fixing by, oh damn, it was only like uh eight dollar fix, right? And you think that it's like your whole engine is falling apart. Yeah, so you always have to visually inspect a lot of things along the way.
SPEAKER_00And wait, just to reconfirm, if you do have a bit a significant leak like that, and even to the extent of hearing hissing, you might notice your brake pedal is harder to press, is that right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that could you could also get a firm pedal, what they call, right? And then also a master cylinder could also be part of it too. So both of them, you know, they kind of intertwine with each other, but definitely we will have issues with the pedal. So if uh you know a driver is used to their pedal feeling a certain way, yeah, you know, and you start feeling it different, it's a couple of things that could go along the way, right? Brake booster, air in the system, master cylinder, right? That's pretty much what what we'll have issues with along the way. So the list is not long, you could say.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and um, is it would you say it's a common issue to have uh something go wrong with the master cylinder?
SPEAKER_01Not that much. Honestly, that's that's one of the rarer fixes. Um but I will tell you this much the booster is more rare than the master cylinder going bad. Oh, really? So the booster, and you know, my experience is by far the one unit that you know rarely that gives you longevity, let's just say that. And with the master cylinder, usually um what tends to happen is you tend to have internal leaks. So you have you know primary seal, secondary seal on the inside, those are the ones that have the tendency of leaking. And the thing about it is that you could have a leaking master cylinder and your pedal still feels the same. So that's one where a visual inspection you could see it, and usually the sign would be we look where the brake boosters at, and if you see a leakage, because the master cylinder is attached to the booster, if you see leakage in between those two, it usually means that a seal is uh leaking internally on the master cylinder, and that usually calls for a replacement of the master.
SPEAKER_00Okay, and that would be sort of adhering to the hoses, or would it leak just to the internal to the ground?
SPEAKER_01Oh, you know, no, it'll it'll leak. I mean, it'll usually it's never like a like a like a puddle, it'll be like a slow leak, but you'll see it. Like if you'll start, maybe your brake light will come on and you'll be like, hey, wait a minute. Oh, I remember hearing that you know brake fruit could be a cause. When I look at my brake through it, it looks low, but I haven't changed my brake pads. That could be a sign where a we might have a leak. And in a lot of the cases, when you do have something like that, it's gonna be there. Because if I do have a leak anywhere else, your pedal's gonna feel spongy. And if it feels spongy, that means we have air in the system. The really the only place that you could have a leak where your pedal will feel fine is the master cylinder. Aside from that, anywhere else, air will sneak in and bam, you have a spongy pedal.
SPEAKER_00Okay, oh, that's really, really good to know. Yeah, in terms of air in the system, so when you do periodically get a brake fluid flush, will the car feel normal immediately? I know part of the job of doing the brake fluid flesh, you have to press on the brake pad several times to sort of push the air out.
SPEAKER_01So you build up the pressure. So that's what's called a manual bleed. So if I do a manual bleed, it's in most cases is a uh two-person job that um requires a technician on the inside to step on the pedal to build up pressure. Once the pressures build up, you open up the valves on each wheel, uh, one at a time, of course, and uh you're pretty much releasing fluid with air. So once you do that, you have to do that multiple times per wheel in order to be able to get all the air out of the system. And that usually once you do that, you know, we'll eliminate that, you know, what we call the spongy pedal feel, right? Because the spongy pedal will be I step on the brake pedal, and then all of a sudden it slowly goes all the way to the ground. Kind of like if I squeeze a sponge, that's what they call it spongy pedal. So it's you know, you're supposed to stop roughly about halfway and it should stay there, right? That means that I have you know a good hydraulic system, no leaks, everything is fine. If I have air in the system, now my pedal will go where it needs to go, but then it just sinks all the way. Yeah, it just keeps on going out of the ground, and it it almost feels like the brakes are not reacting how they're supposed to, like not sudden stops. Like I'm not gonna go ahead and say that you could stop completely, but you could stop, but it's not safe to drive like that because you know it's I can't do an immediate stop, is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, because you know, there when you have air in the system, it's gonna pretty much I could say is gonna lag the stopping power on it. And that's that's usually what's what's gonna be the cause.
SPEAKER_00And so if you feel that like maybe after you get a job done and you feel that it's since it's sealed, it's not gonna correct itself, right? You have to get it fixed.
SPEAKER_01Yes. So, like let's just say you you take your your car in and they do a brake change, and when you come back, all of a sudden the the pedal feels spongy, or you're like, wait a minute, it didn't feel like that before. It's probably not it. That probably means that either somewhere along the way a line was opened, or some way or somehow, air got into the system. So now it has to be clarified. And how we do that is we have to do a brake bleed. So that usually requires uh to be able to bleed all four brakes to be able to get that out, right? So, in order to be able to get all this air out, we want to make sure that the pedal feels safe, first off, and it feels right, right? But in most cases, uh, usually when you do do a job in a shop, they're supposed to test it out. And if let's just say that you do come across an issue where you change the brakes and all of a sudden the pedal's spongy, it shouldn't be your responsibility to pay for that brake brake bleed because if the car came in right, it should leave right.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, and that should be the shop's responsibility to be able to take care of that along the way.
SPEAKER_00Okay, and so I wanted to ask you just some thoughts on just good ways, good driving habits, good good ways to keep your brakes healthy. Okay. There's a few things I wanted to ask you about, but let's start with just general driving habits. You already alluded to it earlier about you know, when you're real hard on your brakes, you could kind of slam on your brakes a lot.
SPEAKER_01Any other thoughts on well, honestly, like I could I could say, you know, kind of like what I what I related to earlier, where you know, just you know, give it a little look here or there, you know, make sure that you're not driving with the parking brake engaged. Um, you know, when you're looking at you know, brake fluid, we're looking, we're seeing what we're looking for, make sure that fluid looks clear, things like that. Those are kind of things that you just want to check on a regular basis. But like as far as like driving, there is a thing called engine brake. So engine brake, and this usually goes more for our manual transmission drivers, where uh, you know, like myself, right? Um we we have the tendency of what's called downshift. So when you downshift, you're using the transmission and engine to kind of work together to slow the car down. So there is a theory that they say that uh usually people that have a manual transmission vehicle, their brakes tend to last a little bit longer than an automatic driver, right? Just because of the fact that you can um come in and we could actually downshift. So, like if let's say I'm driving on the freeway and I'm gonna start slowing down, I could, you know, engage my fifth gear, then go to fourth gear, then go to third gear, and then go to second gear, and then I could maybe now I could start using my brakes and slow down, right? And then in that case, what I'm doing is I'm using less of my brakes and just more of my, you know, the regular stuff that my engine naturally does, right? So I could actually use my engine to help me stop the car. But you know, on more automatic drivers, usually the hand is never on the shifter. So that's kind of more like a little tip for those manual transmission drivers where if you do have a manual, you have a little perk.
unknownCan I do that?
SPEAKER_00Thank you. Sorry, we're sharing microphones now because my microphone died. Um, so when I like drive in the canyons here or you know, on the way to Bakersfield or something, I will I have an automatic and I'll go down to why the sport mode, I don't even have like two or one. Um, and I feel like it helps, but is that in my mind?
SPEAKER_01I mean, we have so sport mode and eco mode, and and those uh really what it does, it it does provide more power. And use an electronic unit, of course, right? So, what happens is what if you have eco mode and you have like sport mode, what ends up happening is we have more fuel that gets delivered, the throttle opens much quicker, right? That's something. Something more engine related, right? Um, as far as brakes, I know you mentioned that your car doesn't have the two or L. That's kind of another way of doing it. That's kind of like almost cheating, cheating the system where you do have uh a couple of different gears that you can change to. So you could have like some cars will have you know D, which you know, the drive, and then we'll have uh three, two, L. So that'll be like third gear, second gear, you know what I mean? Like it it'll lower the gear ratio and then it'll slow the car down. Now, there are going to be some automatic cars that actually have uh level shifters, so they'll have the paddle shifters, and those paddle shifters, you could actually do it manually and go down with the paddle shifters, more modern cars, of course, right?
SPEAKER_00What about carrying a lot of things in your car, the excess weight? I mean, people you you hear a lot that you save on gas mileage if you don't carry too much weight in your car, but can it also be um related to uh saving your brakes a little bit?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, most definitely. You the weight will always be a factor. Uh, it goes a lot of different things. So the weight will make you waste more gas because the engine has to work much harder for it to move whatever it needs to move, and then the brakes as well. If I add more weight to the car, it's gonna be harder for the for the brake pads to stop the car, given it's gonna cause more heat and it's gonna cause the pads to wear out much quicker, right? So, yes, definitely weight in the car will have a big factor on pretty much everything suspension, brakes, everything, right? Because you know, it it will affect it. Excessive weight is not meant for the car to be driving. The car was kind of designed to pretty much drive around five passengers. That's pretty much what it is on most cars, right? And that's it, right? Full tech of gas, maybe uh backpack or something in the trunk, spare tire. But to have like my trunk full of uh tools or a bunch of clothes or whatever it might be, right? And you know, that's where it makes a big difference.
SPEAKER_00Uh, so I should not look at my car as a mobile storage unit the way I do, I guess. And uh just two more things, both related to tires, actually. One is tire tread. I just think it's interesting the relationship between tires and brakes in some ways, uh, including if your tread is really, really low, your braking distance is uh gonna be longer. So that's gonna be a little harder on your brakes, too, if your tire, if your tread's really low.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. That that that is very true because the tires, so the car generally the brakes will cause the car to stop, but it needs the tires to be good because the thread of the tire is what's gonna help the car stop. If I have bald tires, no matter how great of a braking system I have, that car is gonna slip because it needs it's kind of like the example I gave earlier about the shoes. Same with the tires. If my shoes are worn out, I'm gonna slip. If I have good grip on my shoes, I'm gonna I'm gonna be able to not slip, right? So it's kind of almost the same concept, they both go hand in hand. So it is important to make sure that you know the tire thread on your tires are not to the point where you have no no grip or or no thread, because at the end of the day, we need the tires to be able to stop the vehicle. Not only stop the vehicle, but help it turn, help it take off, everything, all the stability, the acceleration, everything is dependent on the tires as well. So the tires always need to be checked on a regular basis as well.
SPEAKER_00And then one other uh, like I said, tire-related thing, the tires and the brakes are right next to each other. So one thing I learned early on here is when you're taking care of your tires, if you like them to look shiny and you like to spray them, don't right? Don't don't spray things because you're gonna get it right onto the brake pads and the rotors.
SPEAKER_01Yes, and I and I go back to the whole uh when I mention about you know touching, right? We don't touch the rotor, we don't touch the brake pad with our bare hands because we do have natural oils. Now, these armoralls and you know these sprays to make the tires look shiny are usually oil-based. And when they're oil-based, we spray them. It's usually, you know, it's not like a stream spray, it's usually like uh, you know, like I don't know how to say it where yeah, it's a wide spray, right? So in that the min like a mist, right? So if it's a mist, we're not our aim is not gonna be that great. It's we're just gonna spray along and then it's gonna go on to the brakes, and not only that, but it is also said that these sprays, these armoralls, they tend to deteriorate the tires as well. So it causes the tires to start cracking because it it's once again, it's an oil, and it's an oil that attracts heat. And when the sun hits it, right, the sun is gonna cause it to crisp a little bit more, and it's gonna start causing the tires to crack. So a lot of people don't know that that you know, this arm raw, where at the end of the day, yeah, it makes the tires look nice and all this, but it doesn't last that long if you've noticed. But it's not there's really no the only really pro to it is that it looks nice, but everything else, just a couple of cons out there where you know, if I put that on, it's gonna deteriorate my tires, it could actually affect my brakes, it could, you know, cause a couple of things that I don't want it to do. And I've seen it where I've seen once upon a time I saw a uh customer that brought in a car. Um, this was when I worked at a shop, they brought in a car where they spread armor all over the tire. And uh what happened was the car was slide. So what happened is they put they put the armor on the thread of the tire. So they were wondering why the car was slipping, and you know, and it was it was one of those where you know you walk in and you're like, wow, right? You get a lot of wows, but that was a pretty big wow, right? So just if you are using this armor stuff, try to avoid it. That's what I would suggest, right? It's better for your car to perform than to look nice, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, um, and and also this is part of why I want to do this podcast. It's a huge reason why, because of these wows, like there's so much that we as drivers don't know, and that should seem obvious to us, but only if we're given the information. So uh also wow to this. I I can't this has been amazing, and I can't thank you enough for taking the time to talk to me and to share this microphone with me now. And um, I just really appreciate it so much, and I hope we can do it again.
SPEAKER_01Sounds good. Yeah, we're more than welcome to do it again with you, and we will be good. You know, just keep listening and it should be good.
SPEAKER_00Thank you so much.
