Episode 4: Bullying

In this bite-size episode, the Gossip Bures chat about Bullying. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Casa Piors.

SPEAKER_06 0:06

Welcome to this episode of God.

SPEAKER_00 0:09

Oh my god, it's such a professional. What's this episode about?

SPEAKER_06 0:13

And this episode is about bullying.

SPEAKER_05 0:16

Okay, um, I'm rolling in, I see the eyes is coming to me. Well, we know we discussed it prior to this, um, sitting down. We like to talk about bullying because we do feel all of us actually agree on this, the younger and the older generation, that it's something that is happening. It's happening a bit too regular and it's happening in so many different levels. It's happening in person, group chats, it's happening social media, web forms, everything it's happening all around. And people have to realise bullying is a very serious thing because it can lead to people actually taking their lives. And unfortunately, if you're a person bullying somebody, you have to live with that in your conscience along with the family living at the loss of maybe the child, maybe an adult, whatever it is. But we're here today and we're gonna have a chat on how we feel and our our outlook of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

So I'm gonna ask the younger girls how they feel about it, and then we can speak on the and we'll find um me personally, I think that like it's just not a nice thing to be bullying anyone, and why would you even do it in the first place? Like I know people do struggle while throwing things like that domain, like take it out or you take your anger out with someone else. It's just not a nice thing to do with anyone. And it just it can like damage a person emotionally, like physically the whole lot. Like you can just take away from their confidence the whole lot of people.

SPEAKER_05 1:29

Yeah, and I do think there's a lot of um people bullying now today, like what I mean to b bully you for how you look, what you wear if you do something that they don't agree with, and I don't think that's right. I think everybody's an individual. Um, excuse me, my French and I'm gonna say we're all well nearly adults here. Opinions are like ourselves, we all have one. No, I'm just gonna say it is like, and we pe we need to learn to stop being that way to be that bully and blah. Yeah. Exactly. And we also need to learn as us, as people individually, to get a tough skin too, and you know sometimes you learn to like add it over your head because obviously that person that's doing has something going on, but unfortunately, unfortunately as you know seven days a week. Some cases it just too. Some cases there's young boys and girls there, and it it becomes too much for them.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

If you go for social media seven days a week, you'll see some child commits suicide from bullying. It even could be over a top, a skirt, pants, t-shirts, yeah. What they're doing, the way they're talking here, everything in the game.

SPEAKER_05 2:27

And I think the reason it's becoming so uh popular with suicide, in my opinion, on the younger generation. Years ago there was no social media platform. I think now it's like you know, years ago you might be hurt new, like if you were in your local town, that person knew about you, right? But today, within a day or two, it's all over the whole world. So it it's it's becoming such a serious thing, and this is for ye people of all ages because it's happening. Young fellas, young ones, men and women. Not just you know, you need to consider your actions before you do do it.

SPEAKER_02 3:02

Do you know what I think a lot of it is a lifestyle? Just because this person has something and that person hasn't something. It's a lot of got to do with judging. Well, judging is a big thing, yeah, isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 3:12

Yeah, judging is but I think it's it, you know, I don't use a lifestyle if someone has something or don't hide it. Sometimes I don't even think it's that way. I think sometimes if a little girl does something, or if a little boy does something, or they're judged. But why does that matter to you what somebody else does? It's not affecting your buttons.

SPEAKER_02 3:27

Just because me or you wouldn't think that other people didn't like this.

SPEAKER_06 3:31

Like uh my opinion on it is anyway, we're coming out we're coming out the same way, we're going down the same way. We're all going into uh a box six foot into the ground. So like what's the point in letting on to be, oh I'm this and that. Yeah, everybody loves their nice things because I can't sit here and be a hypocrite and say I don't like my nice things. But I wouldn't sit down and judge a little girl or sit down and judge a little boy because they don't have this, or they don't have that, they don't have that, or I wouldn't sit in a group and allow anybody ever be bullied because that's disgusting. It's absolutely bullied.

SPEAKER_05 4:02

I think when you sit in those groups and you entertain those groups, you're as bad as the person that's doing it because at the end of the day, if you didn't entertain that, there wouldn't be it wouldn't go into the channel.

SPEAKER_02 4:10

But not only that, it's the circle of circle of friends and those group chats. Yes, that'll be a lot of things.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

Or the shearing, or slap chat, slap children.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

I often says that as well. I'd I'd often pass and see you'd often pass and see people laughing and being jolly and all this and that. Really, at the end of the day, everybody have their own problems.

SPEAKER_06 4:30

No, I always say it's like the it's like a mask for a person. Like, do you know what I mean? You can see you see a person there, you could be smiling, and then the next day you could get both other opportunities.

SPEAKER_02 4:43

And I'm being honest, I think it's the most horrible and awfully painful.

SPEAKER_05 4:48

Yeah, it does need to stop. And the only one can change it is us people. We are the change, and like we need to s we actually need to take action and we need to take accountability for what we are doing. And what I mean by that is I know we might be specifically doing it, but we're still entertaining that by if it's sharing it on social media, if you're in on those groups, let them be whatever they are, because if you don't do that and take part in that happening, it won't get to where it's going.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

But I think a lot of people don't actually realise that they're bullying people until the table is turned, until someone's making like slacky comments at them or that and or like commenting things on their own.

SPEAKER_06 5:25

I heard a saying before it comes back in a three-fold card. Yeah. No, you turn your table one card and it comes back in your threefold card. So it comes back if you give someone it in one it'll come back in your three times worse.

SPEAKER_04 5:37

My sister got bullying in a shot and you don't see her body now.

unknown 5:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

You don't know who it is, you couldn't all read them.

SPEAKER_05 5:48

No, it's mock accounts and you know something. It's usually always someone that it's always someone that's close. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 5:53

Honestly, I got b I got bullied on social media for two years over my weight. I mean, no. I not even just seen it because my scepter's actually not a pick on me for people to bully me about weight. But see, this was the thing she was told. She was fat. Then I was told she was too skinny because I was losing weight. Then I was told that I was like dying off the face of the earth because I went so thin. Then I got bullied because I had braces. Thanks be to God, I have a lovely set of teeth now, God bless them. Yeah. No. Then I went to the stage where they started commenting on all of my stuff, telling me to kill myself, telling me to do way of myself, my family don't want me to. It went on for two years. Yeah. Two years. She was very lucky she had a mother on her battery. Like, thank god I didn't want to say it.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

What did you say?

SPEAKER_06 6:38

I was fifteen and sixteen and we went in into get a track and we were told there was nothing could be done about us.

SPEAKER_03 6:45

Yeah, that's like my fellow mother, we need to go out and tell them not you can't do about is ma.

unknown 6:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:53

It's just, you know, and I think look at the end of the day, she's moved forward from she had those great parents talk about, and thank God she's not saying she didn't have a hard time with it, because she did. And you know, it was acceptance or looking and she felt this way or that way, but thank God now she's trying for confidence. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:09

This is that way.

SPEAKER_06 7:11

Some poor people, some little children don't. No. Some children don't talk about it, and then when it's too late, then everybody finds out. Because a little child could go and do harm to themselves, and then when the family goes and looks on the phone, that's when they see that their child is after getting bullied. But it's not even children.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

It's not. It could be a big thing.

SPEAKER_05 7:32

It could be a big and it could be a big Roma woman like getting bullied. It could be anyone. Yeah. Still. So it's just to be aware, and that's all I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

Have you ever felt bullied? The adults in the room. Or the parents, because we've got three adults.

SPEAKER_05 7:46

I felt bullied, but like I well, I didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 7:50

The only time I feel uncomfortable going into a shop, and there's a certain shop I'll go into. This man is like a greyhound.

SPEAKER_06 7:57

And you're being eyed by the show.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

It's a security.

SPEAKER_01 8:02

He does the same thing to me.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

It's like setting a greyhound through a shop. He every eye turn be he'd just be watching. You'd be looking at it. I turned around one day and said, I have no pockets in this pants, I'm wearing a t-shirt, and I can't certainly fit the shop into my pockets.

SPEAKER_05 8:15

Yeah, no, I yeah, no, I kind of I sticks to one shop, but I did happen to I did happen to me that I'm like shop centre in Dublin. And to be honest with you, it was so much watching me there's uh He should have got personal course but anyway. I I thought it was laughable because I like it.

SPEAKER_03 8:31

Oh very real But I did feel in my workplace. Not in my workplace in general.

SPEAKER_05 8:36

Yeah, not in my workplace in general that way, but I felt like when I first started to work, I felt like because I was a traveller going into some of the meetings, I felt not like in that way now, but I'm going into some of the meetings and I felt like I did I I felt uncomfortable. Well, I mean, but as I felt like I wasn't educated enough or was I was I up to that.

SPEAKER_02 8:53

Oh, I'd often get like that now.

SPEAKER_05 8:55

Yeah, for me. Like it wasn't now that anyone made me feel uncomfortable. By no means nobody made me feel uncomfortable. I'd be forcing the spot. Yes, I just think psychologically from being a traveller your whole life and you're always kind of judged your whole life, even though it didn't have to say what you're putting for. I went into that stage, like, am I okay, I'm gonna just meet now and am I gonna be able to say the right thing? Am I like as educated as everyone in the else? So we've done a I was and I was well able to do it. Yeah, but in my head I felt because I was a traveller in that room, I felt like the room space was smaller. If that does not make sense, not that anyone remembered. Yeah, it was just very uncomfortable, like.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

So subconscious thing. Self consciousness, like a little butterflies.

SPEAKER_05 9:30

So it wasn't that I got bullied, but it was just from years of putting up with basically from a young age, growing up being a member of a travelling community, and you're always self-aware that you you're you you're basically different, you're the different person.

SPEAKER_06 9:41

She actually room like I remember um yeah, yes, when I was working in uh hairdressers, there was this old woman, she used to come in like it was like a clock routine. But she wouldn't leave me blow dry her hair now, it wasn't much hair anyway. It wasn't, God help her. Um she wouldn't leave me blow dry her hair, obviously because she was brought like brought up in the house where I was like really, really racist and over over me being a part of the travelling community. She wouldn't leave me touch her hair, wouldn't leave me take her coat, nothing. And that was you know what I was working at home. And even like who I was working for, she was gobsmacked, like she was she couldn't understand it. She's like, I actually like it. How'd that make you feel? To be honest, I I'm a very stubborn person, so I'd like to But you're still human. I was still human. So I was looking at the room and I was like, I'd like like you're gonna you're gonna have great grandchildren, grandchildren. One of them is gonna somehow end up with someone from the travelling community. Let it be somebody now, like lucky. Yeah, if they're blessed enough to end up with one of us, I'm only messing that's not like it's serious now. But dude, like, and then how's she gonna feel coming into their home and there's a traveller walking through her door? I I pr I won't mind that.

SPEAKER_00 10:50

I did pray for it happened to her because I think it'd be funnier if their great grandchildren ended up in a trailer.

SPEAKER_05 10:59

Yes, it's the bias, like um and it's so sad to see like that times have come so forward and and bullying it's not just like it's just has still happening, like that, that you know, you're still being made for the city. Even in schools now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

I can remember actually it was the very first day we ever did the podcast podcast. I remember I was in my classroom, I was in maths class, and obviously the seats are assigned, like you have to go to where you're putting. Um and I remember I think it was a boy that was sitting behind beside me, and it was like one behind me, and he was turning around talking to him and he said about a person and the boy looked ball looked across like that to me and said, No, I won't want to look like an acre by getting that person. And I turned around like that. I said, What? I goes, Yeah, I go, What? Um I said nothing, I just put my head down to my rock.

SPEAKER_05 11:47

But you should have educated him and said, Listen, go to the dictionary, which I have read. An acre is a dead horse and factory.

SPEAKER_03 11:52

If me, I say I might know this.

SPEAKER_05 11:54

Yeah, no, but no, an across a dead horse and factory. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:56

So you must be looking in the wrong direction.

SPEAKER_05 11:59

And did you complain it? No. You should have a lot of people. I think that is another thing with a lot of travellers. Oh, okay. Now let's say a lot of the bullying can be travellers to travelers too, okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

Or travellers to non-travellers as well. Yes, or yeah, it has to be on bias people, just non-travellers.

SPEAKER_05 12:13

My best friend is a is a is a settled girl, she's not a traveller. She's my best friend, which isn't classified as an end, and I I can get stick for that too, straight about it like, but as I said, I don't care, it's not your life. I don't care what your opinions don't bother me. I'm not gonna lose anything's sleep over it. But I think like that again, we don't address it. As a travelling community, when it is happening, we don't address it enough. We don't like you did there now, just a simple thing, 'cause that's how you're took up, like all of us. You know, it look, yeah, say what you're gonna say, but not to have it addressed at the level it should be addressed at, to show the change, to let the change happen. If does that make sense? Like we need to start reporting it. We need to make sure that like our voice is finally heard and that we are equal. And and if you are the change in that generation.

SPEAKER_01 12:53

And then when it kind of gets done to you, you're backed into a corner.

SPEAKER_05 12:57

You probably felt as well, not to make a deal out of it because you're already feeling degraded.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

Mm, because I was just backed into a corner, I was kinda put in a position, there was none like no one else that heard it, only them two. So then I was. It was their word against yours. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:09

That's where we we feel a lot in life that there's not a lot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:15

See, that is it's more forms of woody, and you see, this is what I'm saying. It's there's so many different forms of it, like there is, and it does need to be looked at like. Because there is a like you died again. Thank God you're you know a strong-minded girl. But if you had been rehearsed that wasn't a strong-minded, you could have gone home and she left. No, she didn't, she came home and left it off.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

She said, I'd love if you had to walk down for them to see you with all the persons you'd have heard today. Should she may have left it? And she was, please, can I get me nose purse the wind I showed them that? I said, No, you won't.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

I know, but you've got your nose purse there, uh Liddy.

SPEAKER_02 13:49

Yeah, she's too. Yeah. Who needs an all mears uh purse? Should she win in must name if she got the whole way around purse and this way around purse? I'd love a belly button person and not left.

SPEAKER_06 13:59

I have one single ear purse.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

I could never get a belly button because my belly button is about three inches under fat. It's technically a nitty. So I suppose the way to wrap up this episode, guys, for those because we're having a bit of crack, we talked about some serious stuff, but for those that might be getting bullied, what's your advice? Who should you talk to? What should you do? Because it can be a very lonely and dark place. Well, I'm just And this is for non-travellers, it's for everyone.

SPEAKER_05 14:25

I'm just going to say, well, here at TRTP, even if we're not in your county, we are always advice. And you come and speak to us. We'll always have to.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

Who are TRTP?

SPEAKER_05 14:33

TRTP, Temporary Rural Traveller Project. And you can speak to any member of staff here.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:38

We are always here, we've hit we've always got our ears opened. We're willing to hear listen to you, and we're willing to also give you advice, and maybe now we mightn't be able to specifically your area, but we can definitely put you in the right place and we can help you get in contact with those areas. So that's coming here from TRTP, Temporary Rural Traveller Project. You can look us up on Facebook and we can help you well. But also, there's always a safe person, there's always someone you feel safe, and do talk to them because a problem shared is a problem half. And something you might think is a big thing. When you talk to somebody about it, you realise it's just such a small thing that can be really sorted, and you can move on for a happier and life. It's talk about it. That's my thing to talk and discuss.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

And if all of that fails, get in touch with the gossip yours and deal with it.

SPEAKER_05 15:27

And that's a wrap for gossip yours. So until the next time, goodbye.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

Gossip yours.