Gossip Bures
Irish Traveller women having the chats, dispelled some myths, and being opinionated.
Gossip Bures
Bonus Episode: Tome or Gammy
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This is a special bonus episode. It has a lot of advice for young girls and women.
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SPEAKER_01Good evening everybody, and welcome to Gossip Yours. Tonight's topic on our episode is Tome and Gammay, and today we have my mommy Ninny and my mommy Charlene.
SPEAKER_02And now our um researcher our researcher is gonna ask us two questions.
SPEAKER_00Alright, to start off for the first question. What age should you get married at nowadays?
SPEAKER_03What do you think I'm going to give my input? I feel that they should be at least 21. The reason being 21? The reason being 21, for example, they're only children and they think they can become adults and be married, but they haven't got the way of feeding themselves, looking after themselves, and they're immature. At least by the time they're 21 years old, they're still only young. They have their lives planned out a bit, they're a bit older, a bit wiser. They have some few pounds behind them. That's my opinion.
SPEAKER_01Well, I don't agree with you. I agree with you. I don't agree. And you're mommy. What is mommy you like? What is your I'm 18 and personally myself, I would like to get married, not 21, not anything like that. Like I won't be married at that age. I'd probably be married at 21 or 22 now. But I would have li likened to get married at maybe 18, 19. Oh, that's very young. That's not very young at all. Well, in my opinion, I think it's very for you, because you're young. Wait, you get older, daughter. You want another marriage, you want to get a married.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but I'm gonna say from my experience, I got married at 18. And I had my whole life ahead of me.
SPEAKER_04I had my four lovely children. Nearly nineteen.
SPEAKER_03But I'm sure you feel the same. You won't change your children for the world, but you would have waited a bit older so you could have seen a bit of life, enjoyed life, gone on a few holidays, maybe gone finished schooling, college, which I I think education is a big thing.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And maybe achieved something that you for yourself would achieve before you.
SPEAKER_01Well very restricted, like there wasn't any things that she could do. Yes. Well, I don't know, I don't agree in that part there.
SPEAKER_04I'd agree with Charlene.
SPEAKER_01I know, I'm not sure. She does your mummies.
SPEAKER_04Because I'm being honest, she's not a mummy. Looking at the generation today, getting married, they're getting married and they're living in with their daddy and mummies. They're children, yes. For their daddy and mummies to support them.
SPEAKER_02Or they're running back to their mummy.
SPEAKER_04That's my that's me. Or else I and most of the marriages don't work out. No, yeah, or else I'm too young to children.
SPEAKER_03They're running back to them. But I'm not well to get married at that young age. You've got to also remember who to love. Feelings change. Uh-huh. Okay. As you grow into an adult, because you're a child, your feelings and emotions change. So the person you think that you love are, oh yes, butterflies. By the time you come maybe two or three years into that marriage, you might have completely changed towards that person. By the time you're 21, you're thinking about that and you're chatting to that person why you know why my feelings is with this person. So it's not for a matter of, oh, I just want to get married with no. It's you've got to allow that person to develop into the adult that they have to become also.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because men develop men develop a lot slower than women. I swear I see young friends, they're 19, 20 years of age, they have never brain settled with them. Generally, point. They gener they they haven't a brain.
SPEAKER_03But no, you want to get married at 18 or 19.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but I want a man older than me. Oh, so 21 years of age. 22, 23, I'd like a boy. Well, do you think 22, 23, I'd like two to be, not me 24, but 19 years of age? I'd like a 22 or 23 year old. She needs it. I need someone that age. I couldn't get a boy from that 19 or 20, lads. He'll have no brain cell. He wouldn't know what it is to go out and get the price of it. I think Oh, I'm a big yeah.
SPEAKER_00No, that's the next question.
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SPEAKER_00Right. What part of our culture should we change? A lot. Oh what do you think?
SPEAKER_03What do you think?
SPEAKER_04Going. Children staying in school. Education.
SPEAKER_03Yes. Education and very big, I think. I think a lot of children. A choice is wanting. A child leaving school as I tell a teenager and a child to me, leaving school is 16, 17 of a choice, but not this thing to be talking about because of their beliefs. There's no belief where a person cannot have an education, where a person will not go to college. It does not state that anywhere that it is for a specific community or culture. It's for everybody. And I do think that a choice should be given to every child to stay in school to at least complete their leave a cert. That's how I feel.
SPEAKER_01Well, I wouldn't mind my child if they didn't want to finish school. That's what they say. And then go on after doing their junior cert and do something. Well then, fair enough. Because I didn't do I didn't finish school. It was hard enough for my mother and father to get me to even go into third year. Because I I didn't go in a first or second year.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but that's what we're saying. It it that was your choice.
SPEAKER_01It was my own choice, but not to take my children out of school purposely, no.
SPEAKER_03No. And I also believe Because they can still learn. They can still learn how to cook and I I also believe this thing of um children being very like restricted. How can I say travelling children being stuck to live back in the old days?
SPEAKER_04You know, I don't think that should be.
SPEAKER_03They they need to come forward in life. Yeah. Um this thing they can't go anywhere to have to be married to go to go out and enjoy life. They're not allowed to concert science. I don't believe in any of that. I think children should young adults, as they're young, they should be allowed to enjoy your life. And you know you can trust your child, you should allow your child.
SPEAKER_01I went to my first concert when I was I think I was 13, just gone 13. Now there's some some people now, they've said it to me themselves, that they think because I've gone to a concert, because I've gone and enjoyed myself with my friends, and had a laugh and a joke, but because I have a car, I have a full licence, I'm weird. I'm weird as a travelling girl because I have that, because my parents give me that leniency in life. I think that's normal. We're in 2025, the 21st century. You're not that you're not gonna be able to do that. I'm more sad that don't say what's not just what's a headline.
SPEAKER_02If you don't put trust in them, then they're just gonna break the trust that you barely have.
SPEAKER_03At the end of the day, if you can trust your child and if you've taken your child up correctly and rightly, you have no reason to doubt your child. You should know right from wrong anyway. And you should know that you can leave that your child go to the other end of the world, and you know your child's come back to the same child. And that's how I personally believe. And I've I was rare though for the.
SPEAKER_01Well mommy, I tell you I'll come back to the same child anyway because I've been blue, the minute I walked wrong.
SPEAKER_03No, but like what it is, it's the fact that I did there are two dates, and I know some poor children, they they don't they actually they think they think so behind.
SPEAKER_04I think it's not got to do it as well, Shane. The weird, the upcoming. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's why a lot of judgment to be given to other girls that are doing this. Like that's like what Anne, a lot of judgment to be given.
SPEAKER_03And it's it's God love them, because they're not taken out like how can I say it's a box there. It's not their fault. They're not allowed to explore outside that box. And if they do, then they think, oh, you're you're this or you're that, or a girl's dirty, or a girl is it. No. It doesn't mean a girl is anything if she's enjoying it. Or boys can only do this. No. I don't have that belief I think was good for one of those.
SPEAKER_01Yes. No, I I personally myself, if I had a girl, there would be certain things I'd be more lenient with my boys. Yeah, like I am a G. Like my mother now, my mother don't think, oh, you can't do that because you're a girl. No. She if it's fully for a boy, like obviously there's certain things like getting up and going to a foreign country on on a by or girl's trip. Like there's no such thing as going on a girl's trip, like to a time where unless my mother is there. But like my brother, my brothers, yeah, she'd be left out of me. Yeah, like my brothers be left get out get up, go and buy his homeless, but it's different.
SPEAKER_03He'd be going with films. Like, I didn't know. I allowed him to go to any concert's coming. I know. No, don't come wrong when I'm dear, I say right, go talk to your friends. But at the same time, go out and talk to your friends, just check back in with me. Yeah, but I'm still in the premises, so if that goes wrong when I'm dear where she is, Mommy's like that during the summer.
SPEAKER_02Mommy's like that as well, like we went camping during the summer, and I was allowed I've got friends down there.
SPEAKER_01I'll tell you something better. It's not my father who has the problem with that. It's this one in the corner here who has the problems. My father wouldn't care what I do as long as I'm back after it and he knows where I am. Well, guess what?
SPEAKER_02Fathers think they're the boss's mothers is. Sorry, Kathy, what were you saying? Um, like during the summer, because we went off camp and the whole lot. Like I was allowed to go off with my friends and come back like every other hour and just check. Check in with her or something.
SPEAKER_04That's the way I am with them now. Or she'd give the phone the text. Yeah. So you don't hear if you look at it.
SPEAKER_01See, I'm set now if I'm to go off with my friends, I have to be home for half nine. Which is reasonable. Which it's it's normal. Dark agreements, the dark agreements are coming up. But in summer in summertime, they're more lenient. Because it's brighter. It's not icy, yeah. Do you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03And I'm only a name. But I think a big topic what has changed in the traveller culture, and I'm saying listen, I hope all men listen. Men need to change their attitude. Men are not bosses, men cannot tell women what to do. We are now in the 21st century. Women are their own independent boss, whether you're married or not, they still have a voice and it needs to be heard. And for any woman that's putting up with it, walk away or put your foot down. Because you are a person and you have every right to give your opinion, to have your own say in your life, not to listen and sit and obey. You're not you're not a dog. So start to listen to that one for me from behalf of women, and I am a traveling woman, and I'm telling you now, get up and do something for yourself.
SPEAKER_05Casapiors!