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100,000 Facials Later: What Doctors Aren't Telling You

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What 47 years of facials actually teaches you about skin.
In this episode of Face It, Bari sits down with Nerida Joy — a globally renowned esthetician with over 47 years of experience and 100,000 facials performed — to separate skincare fact from fiction, and explore what it really means to care for your skin long term.
From the rise of adult acne to the dangers of at-home peels, Nerida brings decades of hands-on wisdom to a conversation that's equal parts eye-opening and refreshingly honest.
This is skincare without the hype — just real knowledge from someone who helped shape the industry.

We cover:
- How skincare has changed over 47 years — and whether it's gotten better or just busier
- Why so many people are dealing with compromised skin barriers right now
- The real causes of adult acne (and why it's more common than ever)
- How to tell the difference between hormonal acne and food-related acne
- The biggest mistake people with acne make when trying to heal their skin
- Why moisturizer is not the enemy for oily, acne-prone skin
- The worst TikTok skincare trends Nerida has seen — and why some can cause permanent damage
- Why red LED lights can actually make certain skin conditions worse
- What celebrities' skin actually looks like behind the scenes
- Why facelifts in your 20s are a growing trend — and the long-term consequences no one talks about
- How massage and movement can transform your skin without a single device
- What lifestyle factors (alcohol, smoking, stress) are quietly doing to your skin
- What "holistic skincare" actually means — and what it doesn't
- The Five Star Method and what's missing from esthetic training today
- Nerida's biggest advice for aspiring estheticians just starting out
- What Nerida hopes the future of skincare looks like

Intro

SPEAKER_01

I did not know facelifts in your twenties was a trend right now. Yes, they're having facelifts in their twenties. Wow. Scary. I mean, if you're having a facelift in your twenties, what's gonna happen when you're 50 or 60? Then the distortion is sometimes irreversible. And we all know, you know, of celebrities that have gone too far where their nose has fallen off their face, basically.

SPEAKER_04

Before TikTok, before 10-step routines, and before everyone became a skin fluencer, there was Narita Joy. And she has seen it all.

SPEAKER_01

And I have never in all of these years seen as as many people with acne now. Painful pimples are hormonal pimples. Non-painful pimples are usually food related. When you know and understand that, it's so easy. And remember the skin is just a reflection of what's going on on the inside.

SPEAKER_04

What's a holistic way to, you know, age healthily?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, really? Yeah. That's it. If you're numbing and and paralyzing everything in your face, then you better be massaging your face. I really applaud doctors that just say, no. You know, we're not going to take out four of your ribs so you have a four-inch waist. What's wrong with saying I'm 45 years old? It's the chase to stay, you know, young people have done too much to their face.

Introduction: Meet Nerida Joy

SPEAKER_04

Welcome to Face It, the podcast that cuts through the noise of the beauty industry. I'm your host, Barry, and today we're taking a look at how skincare has evolved over the past 45 years with a legend who helped shape it. My guest today is someone who's performed over a hundred thousand facials, worked with everyone from everyday clients to celebrities, and helped shape the skincare industry as we know it. With over 45 years of experience and a global reputation of transforming skin in the most sustainable and holistic way, I am so honored to welcome Narita Joy to Face It.

SPEAKER_01

Narada, welcome to Face It. Thank you so much. It's so wonderful to be here. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04

We're so happy to have you. I have so many questions for you. Great. And I can't wait to just dive right in.

How Skincare Has Changed Over 45 Years

SPEAKER_04

There you go. Okay, let's do it. Yeah. So I want to kind of start with skincare back then and comparing it to now. You know, now we see crazy TikTok trends and skin cycling and LED masks. What would you say has changed the most in skincare from then to now? Wow.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I think that there is always new things coming out. And, you know, it's got away from uh just basic general skincare, to be honest. I think that there is so much attention on um different modalities that you know people can forget about the basics, which is just a great cleanser and great protective products to go on the skin.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Uh, and including sunblock, you know. So I I feel, you know, how is it different? I think there are so many modalities out there on the market that it's confusing for people because they're they're thinking that they need a modality, you know, they need something that's gonna help their skin be better, but but I'm always going to say that, you know, you have to have a great skincare regimen. Your products are really important, you being consistent, having a daily great regimen is crucial. Right. And everything else is just a bonus. And you also want to make sure that when choosing something, which, you know, there's so much thrown at us right now, right, that the that you're choosing something that's right for you personally. You know, I think that's really important.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Would you say that skincare has gotten better or just busier?

SPEAKER_01

Um, I think that there is, you know, definitely things have got better in that I feel skincare has become more where you can really pinpoint areas of concern and work with that. I think that uh delivery systems and formulas have been challenged a lot. And I think that um they've definitely improved and and you know, they understand that um most people tend to be more sensitive today than they used to be. Right. So I think they've really had to put a lot of thought into delivery systems protecting the skin barrier. Uh so I I do think that skincare has definitely stepped up

The Skin Barrier Crisis: What's Going Wrong

SPEAKER_01

to that. Yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_04

Speaking of the skin barrier, I feel like a lot of people are seeing issues with their skin barrier, having compromised skin barriers, but don't know where to go next. What would you suggest?

SPEAKER_01

Yes, it's one of the biggest subjects that I talk about because uh your skin barrier is it's crucial that it be healthy. Right. And that people understand what that looks like because of skin care advancing in so many ways, there are things do become stronger too. And therefore, you know, the mentality of like stronger is better just isn't correct. Right. And I think that, you know, people tend to feel like I need to do more to make my skin better. So let me buffer it back more. And I think that that's a problem, you know. I think that um so many times people get into a place where it's like now I can't use anything on my skin because it's now too sensitive.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

And I can't use the actives that I really enjoyed using for my, you know, lessening the depth of a wrinkle or lightning brown spots. Right. So I think skin barrier uh just keeping it healthy is a challenge for people. Definitely. And depending on where you're living, I mean it's not just strong cleansers and strong scrubs and peels.

SPEAKER_07

Right.

SPEAKER_01

It's also the weather. You know, our weather has got more harsh. For sure. Um, you know, our ozone layer is being more depleted and and therefore, you know, we're really noticing the sun is is aging our skin faster.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01

And so the more protection, you know, all of these things are just more crucial than they used to be. Right. And all of these types of things really affect our skin barrier. Yeah.

Beauty Standards & The Pressure to Stay Young

SPEAKER_04

Are you seeing that people, you know, when they have a compromise skin barrier when they're going through skin issues, that they're more so really trying to nurture their skin or kind of just chasing this quick fix?

SPEAKER_01

I I think that, you know, it's hard. And and I live in Los Angeles and we call it tinsel town. And, you know, it's hard for a lot of, especially women that are in the entertainment business because, you know, you can be a guy, you know, growing older with gray hair and wrinkles, and and you're known as being a sexy, you know, rugged guy. But for women, it's it's really hard. And I think that women are always trying to, you know, stay what, you know, in in what they think is really pretty and youthful. Right. And I think that um it's it's unfortunate because you have a lot of people, um, you know, particularly doctors in the town where I am, that really sort of support that.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

And that basically are saying to women, well, let's do more on you rather than, you know, what you're really gorgeous the way you are, and and and just embracing aging.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Um, you know, the talk of um I'm 45 years young is like what's wrong with saying I'm 45 years old. You know, it's this whole kind of mentality of people are just not feeling comfortable in their skin. So for me, I think it's it's the chase to stay, you know, young. Um and and what it, you know, in their eyes is is more of an unfortunate thing, which actually is really unfortunate because getting old is a beautiful thing.

SPEAKER_05

Definitely.

SPEAKER_01

And I wouldn't want to turn back time for anything. I mean, as a woman, I feel just really proud of um, you know, who I am because all our experiences make us make us special, you know. So yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I feel like there is like a certain standard that women, us women feel like we have to follow in order to be confident, whether it's, you know, getting something done or your skin.

Are Injectors Selling You More Than You Need?

SPEAKER_04

And you mentioned how, you know, a lot of or would you agree that sometimes aesthetic injectors sometimes they will give advice that maybe isn't correct just because they're trying to sell their product and add more to your face versus what you actually need?

SPEAKER_01

I think it's a really good question because I think that they also get caught up in the hype. Right. You know what I mean? As an injector, it's your job to, you know, do an injectable and do it successfully. Right. Um, and I think that it it's it's an art form, you know, and I I feel that they also feel that they they lose perspective, you know, because it's people come in and they're not looking at you as a uh just a naturally beautiful woman. They're looking at you to say, oh, what can I do? Like, like how can I create this masterpiece? Right. And and I think, you know, they don't know who you are as a person. It's it's like I remember one day I went to have my hair done and I sat down in the chair and the hairdresser said, I know exactly who you are. And you know, um, and he's he did my hair. I swear, I walked out of there looking like Tina Turner, and I was so upset because I thought, I am not that personality. I love Tina Turner, yeah, but but it's just not who I am. Right. And I think that I was just devastated. Um, and I think the same thing happens, you know, we go in to have something done and we might be thinking about just having a little Botox, right? But to the injector, uh, they are looking at you like masterpiece, right? What can I do? Yeah. So sometimes that can make people look not exactly real, you know, not not um definitely not who they may be internally. Yeah. Um, you know, so I I think it's it's very confusing, you know, and I I think that, you know, my big thing is that I always say whenever a client leaves my space, I make sure I tell them how beautiful they look and you know how gorgeous their skin is. And you know, for me it's just it's really about teaching them more about what self-love is and self-acceptance because it's hard to have all of that in today's world. It just is, you know.

SPEAKER_04

I feel like um, you know, your occupation, you're definitely there to help with the skin. Yeah. But it's you're not going to be able to completely change who someone is, you know, and that's what's important.

SPEAKER_01

And and it's just in, you know, I want to enhance and I want, you know, I want people to feel good and really, you know, love who they are and know how beautiful, you know, they are as an individual. And we're all different. And I think just sort of embracing that. I mean, Louise Hay um was a big part of my life growing up. I had an eating disorder and learning to love self was something that was really important. And um, you know, it's it's something that I'm just so grateful for now.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So that's amazing. I'm so glad that that comes through with your clients and it's an important step of the work I do for sure.

SPEAKER_04

Definitely.

Adult Acne Is on the Rise — Here's Why

SPEAKER_04

I feel like kind of on the same topic, um, a big thing that's kind of happening right now that maybe didn't happen as much in the past was adult acne. Yes. What would you say are like the causes of adult acne?

SPEAKER_01

You know, it's really interesting because I've been doing hands-on work for 47 years and I have never in all of these years seen as as many people with acne now. Wow. And it, you know, it isn't just the teenagers and the the 20-year-olds. It's it's not just from wearing makeup that's comitogenic and clogging pores. Right. There is a lot more internal um, you know, gut health issues. People are really um, you know, emotionally, there's there's a stress factors. But I I think in general, there's always been stress, but I think in general, um, you know, it's harder, it's our bodies are just not as strong as they used to be. Our our constitution is not what it used to be. Um we used to be able to a hundred years ago digest foods differently. You know, our bodies um aren't as strong. And, you know, the we we really are evolving with our environment. And in doing that, you know, our bodies have to adjust to survive. And so, you know, the more processed foods are, uh, the, you know, all of these things really interfere with our hormones. So, you know, where where does it leave us and why do adults have more acne? I think that our bodies are just more sensitive and we are more reactive to, you know, stress. And I always say stress is not just a word that floats above your head. Right. It actually attacks your weakened organs because we all come into this world with weakened organs that we carry from our parents and our grandparents. And when you get stressed, it might be that your weakened organ is your stomach, and therefore you're not digesting food the same. And when you're not digesting food and you're not, you know, assimilating things really well, then your skin is the largest organ of elimination that just shows what's going on internally.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So, you know, stress is, you know, a a trigger, but hormonally, you know, I think that PCOS, rosacea, these are things that are really on the rise. And it's um, you know, there's a lot of things that, you know, a lot of inflammation, I mean, inflammation alone is on the rise, and disease all stems from inflammation. So it's definitely, you know, it's all it all contributes to adult acne.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. You mentioned how PCOS is on the rise. Do you think that's something that definitely contributes to adult acne? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, absolutely. Because with PCOS, you have, you know, more male hormone, which is why there's this hair that, you know, facial hair that appears more with PCOS. Uh people, you know, have more hair on their body. I mean, women that have PCOS have hair in areas like on their butt and their lower back and areas that, you know, it it really shows up everywhere. And so it's definitely something that is on the rise for sure. And uh and hormones plays a huge role in it, you know, the imbalance of hormones and and also, you know, people are taking a lot of things. They're they're taking a lot of vitamins and they're doing things that are, you know, maybe not quite right for them. You know, so I mean, I remember, you know, years ago, I mean, they had pills to make your breasts larger, and young girls are taking this because they they're impatient and they don't they don't realize, well, hold on, I maybe I need to wait till I'm 20 years old and see what happens. Right. You know, they're they're popping things or they're rubbing creams on that influence our, you know, our hormones. I mean, all of these things, what we put on our skin topically, right, a certain amount of that does affect our hormones. So, you know, ingredients, formulations, all of these things really matter. Definitely. Thank

How to Treat Acne the Right Way

SPEAKER_01

you.

SPEAKER_04

What are a few things that you think people suffering from adult acne can incorporate into their routine to help heal it?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I I think that um, you know, I I most people that come into my practice, they initially come in with uh with acne of some form. You know, sometimes it's very mild. But one of the biggest things that I see, and one of the biggest problems, is that even people with acne have surface dryness. So, you know, it's it's such a misunderstood subject because anybody with acne, they're they're constantly trying to dry up the pimples because they think that's what's going to heal it. But the biggest issue is that that people need to understand that oil needs to be able to get out. Right. And if you've got a dry raincoat on top of your skin, oil can't get out. So it's important to keep the outer layer soft and supple. That's number one, really important. And, you know, it's it's people get used to a feeling of a dry skin. And again, back to skin barrier, it's all about having a healthy skin barrier. It's it's just out of control right now because you've got things that are just too aggressive. Um, and you've got also people that are um they've got acne, but they're afraid to use moisturizer on their skin without understanding that moisturizers for oily skin are designed to help it heal and control the sebaceous, the oil activity. That's a big misconception. Big misconception. So I think that there's a number of um issues around it. And I think that um, you know, it's it's just keeping a healthy skin barrier is crucial right across the board, and especially for people that have acne.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Uh, and that's of any age. So it's it's just keeping the skin soft and supple, using products that are right for your skin and keeping that barrier healthy, you know, and pretty rather than trying to dry it out. Right. So that's really important. The barrier's a big topic, too.

SPEAKER_04

Big big topic. And I feel like it's kind of just like the center of everything, really. It really is. Yeah. Yeah, it really is. Well, I want to kind of get into more about some miss skin conceptions. Yes. Um, so I

The Worst TikTok Skincare Trends Right Now

SPEAKER_04

want to talk about TikTok. Okay. I know you're very active on social media and you educate a lot, and TikTok is just blowing up with different skincare trends, and it's probably driving you crazy to see what some people are doing to their skin online. So, what would you say are like the worst trends you've seen online today?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, well, that's wow, that's a good question. Um I well, I've had people um, you know, this is something that is allowed now and it really shouldn't be. Is that on something like Amazon, you can buy almost prescription strength peels. Oh wow. You can get strong that that are even above what I as an aesthetician can use. And so if you are getting these stronger um preparations for the skin and doing this at home without understanding anything other than you just want a strong peel, then I think that that's really crazy. And I I wish there was more um attention to that should not be sold to the public, you know. Right. I I mean, I I think that that is something that's really scary when when I see that, and I have seen that um to the point where it it you know um has permanently marked somebody's skin. Right. So I think uh that's something pretty crazy. I'm you know, I because I'm in my 60s and because I'm somebody that really feels I understand skin, I get really nervous about suction devices and devices that stretch the skin a lot. So when I see people doing lots of this major cupping on the face, it makes me really nervous. Yeah. And it makes me nervous because you have to have a certain kind of skin to be able to do that. You know, I think it's wonderful for the body, you know, the back. I mean, it's it's it's fantastic and it's a great way to get circulation going. But I do get really nervous and I think that people think it's fun, but for me, I'm just I look at it and want to cry and just because it's like, oh no, you're stretching your skin. You know, you can't do that around the eyes, and you can't do that on somebody like myself who is a more mature skin, that you know, suction devices need to be managed. Um, the other thing that I think is really crazy is all the lead lights. You know, I think that without people realizing that um the red lead lights are really a problem for melasma. And so I, you know, as as we evolve and as our sun gets worse because of you know shuttles being let up in space that release all that black carbon, it's really destroying our atmosphere. Right. And so the sun rays are much harsher, and I think that um more people are blotchy, you know, they have blotchy skin. And whether it be melasma because they're taking some, you know, medicine that makes it worse, um, or Whether it just be environmental, you know, a lot of it is based hormonally too. So I think that, you know, the red, lead lights are just out of control. I mean, I just came back from a bigger, big show in Las Vegas, and you know, so many of the booths are selling these lead, red lights. And some of them are just super gimmicky. Like they they really don't understand, nor do they, you know, they're they're there to sell a light, but they don't really understand skin. And that's upsetting to me because you know, a lot of people that it's it's so popular on social media and just the lead lights everywhere. Right. Uh, but red lead is not for melasma and it's not for blotchy skin, it will make it worse. So uh so those are some of the things that immediately come to mind.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. So in certain instances, these red LED lights could do more harm than the city. Oh, absolutely. Without without doubt.

SPEAKER_02

I mean it's interesting. It's crazy. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04

I I wouldn't have known that.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. Wow.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that's uh I kind of also want to talk back about um you mentioned

Are Dermatologists Over-Prescribing?

SPEAKER_04

how people will take a lot of very strong prescriptions for their skin. Yes. Sometimes prescribed by a dermatologist. Yes. Do you think that dermatologists are prescribing these strong actives to clients without giving them the proper knowledge on how to use them? Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I mean, look, you know, I um I started my YouTube channel because I was upset with people taking just so many pills for acne because I realized that, you know, when you have somebody come in and lie down on your table and they burst into tears and they say, I've used every product out there, I've spent tens of thousands of dollars. I've also been to doctors and I've been taking antibiotics for six years and I still have acne. You know, to me it is devastating because I'm thinking, oh my gosh, they're gut health antibiotics for all of this time. Yeah. You know, so so at some point, it's like, you know, who's going to look at them and just say, you know what, this isn't right? You know, so I I feel that um, you know, a lot of medications that are prescribed, they they need to look at one's lifestyle and that person as a whole. But realizing that all of this takes time. And when you go into a doctor's office, very often they're seeing 50 patients a day. So they don't have the time for that. Right. But I I think that, you know, if as all we can do as as people in the industry that care about skin and care about people's mental health around that, right? I think it's really important to, you know, just educate the community that, you know, if you want to really learn about skin, there are some good STEs out there that are people that can really help you with your skin and really look at your overall, you know, we we definitely need our doctors. I mean, you know, and there's a lot of excellent doctors out there that will put the time into really wanting to figure out what is going on.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Um, but I I think it's you have to find a doctor that that, you know, feels good to you and that gives you the time. Right. Because acne in particular is something that is

How Diet Directly Affects Your Skin

SPEAKER_01

so misread and it's doesn't all belong in one bucket.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

There are some acne that are truly just food related. And it's something that that I see very common is just food-related acne. So it's just taking them off specific foods, and it's not, you know, it's not about quantities or it's it's just about certain foods don't work for certain people. Right. And you can really heal acne that way. Um, so there's a, you know, you need that person to sit down and and really look at everything, you know, just look at your lifestyle, look at the foods that you eat. I mean, one of the biggest culprits for acne is peanut butter. Oh, wow. And how many, how many kids eat peanut butter? And so often when I take a yeah, when I take people off peanut butter, um, you know, their their acne gets better, or it could be eggs, you know. So but peanut butter is something that um it takes a lot of peanuts to make a spoonful of peanut butter, you know, it's a very oily food. Right. And it's perfectly fine for most people if you don't have acne. Right. But if you have acne, you can't eat something like peanut butter, you know, it just doesn't work. Right. So I think that, you know, just understanding a lot of these really basic things, it's not major life changes for people. Um, but just taking off certain foods, um, it is life changing for them. Right. You know, it's uh it's just um, you know, it's just really sitting down with somebody and and trying to figure out some things, talking to them about the foods they eat, how they wash their face. I I I laugh because, you know, there's a a very well-known doctor in Beverly Hills, um, a younger man who has very good skin, but he'll sit there and say, Oh, I wash my face with soap twice a week. That's what I do.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And if you look at him, you say, wow, he's got really pretty skin. Yeah. So most people, you know, some some might look at him and just sort of say, Well, maybe that's what I need to do. Right. But it's it's just, you know, everybody's different. It's it's finding something that works for you. It's about understanding what your personal concerns are with your skin. Right. Uh, you know, a lot of people with surface dryness can't use soap. And so I I think there's a lot of things that have to be taken into account and and how how to get to that place of really giving somebody time. I mean, it it it requires a caring person who really understands a lot and has a lot of tools to pull from because everybody is so different. And I think that's um that would be nice moving forward. Yeah. Someone could sort of give a little more time.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Give a little more thought into somebody else.

SPEAKER_04

Do you

Face Mapping: Hormonal vs. Food-Related Acne

SPEAKER_04

think for our audience, someone who might be struggling with skin issues and not know where it's coming from, it could be diet, where do you think the best place for them to go to is to figure out these issues?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. It's really something that to, you know, when you understand, and I'll I'll just give something really some very basics here. If you have pimples that have redness around them and they hurt to the touch, so they can appear anywhere on the face, but they're painful to the touch. They are hormonal pimples. Okay. Food-related pimples don't hurt. So they usually start in face mapping, which is, you know, like, you know, iridology, studying someone's eyes, you can tell a lot from the body. It's the same with the face. Wow. So when you look at somebody's face and you see, oh wow, they've got a lot of congestion in this mid-cheek area, then this is in face mapping the small intestine.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

And a lot of things like candida albicans, which is yeast, um, certain food-related allergies can all start here. And what happens is it starts with congested white bumps. They're not red and they're not painful.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Um, unlike a pimple, they don't go away quickly. They stay there. So, you know, as it, as they people continue to eat certain foods, which it's generally fatty foods, which is why it's peanuts and oily foods, right? Um, egg yolks, um, you know, yellow cheese, like you know, certain things, their body just doesn't break it down well.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And very often, if you look back into the family, you know, there's cholesterol issues, and so it uh it doesn't, you know, it's not bad, it just doesn't work for you. And so if you go off those foods, then these bumps, you know, will not get worse. And they and you know, eventually you can just have them removed and and that's it, you're done. Right. But if you don't go off those foods and you continue to eat the foods, which again is just showing you what's going on on the inside, I mean, we have to understand that what we see here is only a reflection of what's going on internally. Right. Um, if you don't stop these foods, it's going to spread now down to your jawline, which is now your large intestine. And and then, you know, things become messy. And as you get older, you can't get away with as much as when you're younger because you know, you're you can just digest foods better as a younger person. You know, everything starts slowing down as we get older. So the simplicity of how we eat is really important. Right. And um, you know, so I think these are things that are just very generic things that are easy to understand.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Painful pimples are hormonal pimples, non-painful pimples are usually food-related or from makeup, something that's comitogenic that's just clogging the pores.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. So for anyone that has this type of acne or is confused, it's probably important to come see an esthetician where you can really face map and get to the bottom of, you know, what needs to be changed in order to make this go away.

SPEAKER_01

When you know and understand that it's so easy.

SPEAKER_03

Awesome.

SPEAKER_01

You know, it's really easy. And, you know, people, they spend, as I said, so much on products and so much on going to see, you know, all kinds of people to try and help them. But when you understand this, it's it's just so much easier and it's it's really life-changing for people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Wow.

Do Celebrities Really Have Better Skin?

SPEAKER_04

Awesome. Yeah. So another miskin conception I wanted to talk about is celebrities. Yes. I know you've worked with a lot of celebrities, and I feel like people think celebrities just have a lot of money where they can throw money and easily fix their face. Would you say you see celebrities come in that also have the same or similar issues as your everyday clients?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, you know, the one thing that, you know, a lot the people that I work with that are just, you know, unbelievable worth ethics in their hours when they're filming are really long. So they they have makeup on, you know, sometimes it's, you know, it's makeup that looks like it's got to look like dirt or, you know, it's not, yeah, you know, and there's lights and there's sweat and there's all of these things that really, you know, make a huge difference. And I mean, I I travel with people, um, you know, some of my clients that are celebrities to do their skin every single day just while they're filming, because it just keeps everything under control. Because when you, you know, when you you wear a lot of makeup and you have lights and sweat, and you know, just taking it off can make the skin really red and inflamed. Definitely. So it it makes um, you know, it makes a big difference to to be able to um just keep it really clean. Yeah. But I, you know, do they have a lot of money? Yes, generally they do. Um, you know, can they afford to have me travel with them? You know, I I do that, so you know, obviously that that's true. Um, and um I but you know, their their skin is still like everyone else's skin, they still break out. Yeah. They, you know, they still get wrinkles and um, you know, they still get surface dry and spray, you know, and so I I think it's all all really the same.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So

The Craziest Things Clients Have Done to Their Faces

SPEAKER_04

you've been in the industry for a very long time. Yes. I'm curious, what's the craziest skin issue a client has come to you with?

SPEAKER_01

The craziest skin issue. I I don't know what would be the craziest. I I think um when I think about crazy, it's not so much a skin issue because there is many things that can happen to people's skin depending on, you know, there's there's the things that are really hard to treat, and that's melasma, when you've upset pigment cells, the melanocytes. Um that is is not crazy, it's just difficult.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Uh when I think of crazy, it's when people have done too much to their face. And um they've done things that involve heat and they're used, they're going to doctors um having strong lasers and strong treatments done where it's melting fat. Oh wow. And you know, as you get older, I think people don't realize that um you don't want to melt fat. You want to keep fat because then you've got to have it injected back in as you get older.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

You know, as our skeletal piece starts to, you know, fall in, we want to be filling more and keeping our fat. So I I think the craziest things would be when people have done different procedures and I've seen dimpling on the face from devices that involve heat and ultrasound or you know, just some of these strong, because no one's thinking long term. And for me, that's disturbing. And I and and I'm I'm sorry, but I'm talking about a lot of doctors too. They're not thinking long term. And and I understand it's hard because you have people that come in that want to look, you know, give me more, like, you know, do more. And and so you have that mentality, but at some point you have to say no, right? You know, you have to say, enough's enough. Right. Because if we do this now, this is what's gonna happen later. Right. And and I always say this is that you cannot make your skin thicker. You can lift and tuck all you like, but you can't make your skin thicker. So you've got to stop thinning it back and you've got to stop sucking away at your fat in your face. Right. Uh, one of my clients who's married to a facial plastic surgeon, she said to her husband, I think I should have a facelift. And he said, You know, at 60, okay, you could have a facelift. Are you going to look better than your friends? Probably you will. But he said, But in 10 years' time, you're not going to be able to cover the scars. Right. Because as you get older, you know, all your skin gets thinner, your scars become more noticeable. Oh, wow. And so I I think it's it's people, they're not thinking about this, nor do you particularly care as a younger person. But the idea of having a facelift in your 20s, when you know after facelift number two, there's distortion.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Um, I mean, if you're having a facelift in your twenties, which is a trend now, what's gonna happen when you're 50 or 60? Right. You know, because you're supposed to have a facelift every 10 to 15 years. Yeah. So if you're doing something like that, then the distortion is is sometimes irreversible. And we all know, you know, of celebrities that have gone too far, yeah, where, you know, their nose has fallen off their face, basically. You know, you can only do so much. And I I think at some point, I I really applaud doctors that just say, no, you know, we're not going to take out four of your ribs so you have a four-inch waist. Right. We're not going to lift and tuck anymore where, you know, this is at risk. And it it just is, it's it's it's a little crazy.

SPEAKER_04

I did not know facelifts in your 20s was a trend right now.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_04

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01

They're having facelifts in their twenties. Wow. Yes. Wow.

SPEAKER_04

Scary.

Holistic Skincare & The Power of Facial Massage

SPEAKER_04

Okay. Well, yeah. On the topic of healthy aging, I do want to talk to you a little bit more about holistic skincare. Because I feel like you've been holistic before it was cool, before it was trendy. What's a holistic way to, you know, age healthily? Massage the skin. Oh, really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That's it. Yeah. Wow. You know, I've I've um I started my first business when I was 19 in Sydney, Australia. And I had my second one when I was 21. And I had all kinds of equipment in my salons. And if you go to my place now, my my I have a private practice now, I don't take new clients, but I I don't have equipment. And I really understand and appreciate the importance of massage and movement. Movement is medicine. Um, our bodies, we need to move. And, you know, the the more that people have Botox done, the more stillness and atrophy that is that is created. Wow. You know, muscle contraction stimulates, it it helps circulation. Right. So if you're numbing and and paralyzing everything in your face, then you better be massaging your face. Yeah. Because you need to keep the lymphatic system moving. You need, you know, it's it's bigger than our circulatory system. You have to keep that because it's what we call our garbage disposal. You know, it gets rid of toxins and it brings a lot of nutrients into our body. Right. So the lymphatic system is just vital. And so I do think that it's really important massaging the skin and just having body massages and and nurturing, you know, our body because I can tell you, as somebody that has regular massages, if I go a couple of weeks without it, I really feel it. And sometimes, you know, as you get older, you know, it's easy to start retaining fluid in your legs. It's easier for things to our blood vessel walls, you know, things are not working necessarily. People wear socks that are way too tight around their ankles. You know, all of these things really matter. And if you want to stay healthy, you have to keep things moving.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And massage is movement, and movement is medicine. It's just an extraordinary thing. And, you know, I change people's skin with just, you know, a few, two or three facials. And but I massage the skin a lot. Right. And you can massage even really delicate sensitive skins, you know, even, you know, acne skins, people that have acne, you can totally massage, you're doing it differently. And and just the other day, I had somebody come in who um was a referral to me. Um, she had so much ruddiness and heat, and I could feel it when she laid down on my table straight away. And I barely touched her and I could feel the heat. But by the time I finished massaging her skin and working on her skin, she walked out with this cool skin. She looked at herself in the mirror and she said, I've never been not this red. And I've just finished doing a whole facial on her. So the thing is, um, as an aesthetician, we have incredible tools to work with. And if you understand skin and you understand what you're looking at, you can really change somebody's skin. It's so easy when you understand.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And we have our tools, our products that help support the, you know, the magic that we do in the treatment room. And I think it's it's just really a beautiful thing. You know, it's but you have to understand, uh, you have to understand skin, but I'm gonna say movement and massage, it stimulates muscle tone, it firms the skin, it keeps the skin healthy and pretty. It just does.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, definitely. That's good to know.

Lifestyle Habits That Are Destroying Your Skin

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I know we talked a little bit about like lifestyle and how that plays a role in skin health. Yes. Would you say lifestyle is affecting skin health today more so than it did back in the day?

SPEAKER_01

Um, I I think that um there, you know, in California, um, smoking weed and all of these things became legal. And I think that, you know, what do I notice on with people's skin is during COVID, people were drinking more, it definitely affects the skin, alcohol. There is nothing beneficial about alcohol, sadly. You know, I mean, I know people say, oh, well, if you drink a little red wine, it stimulates a hydrocholic acid in this, you know, like, but generally it it just it it dehydrates the body, it just does. Right. Um smoking and smoking weed, although you know, for mental health it could be something completely different, it does affect the skin. So I I think because it's it's more of the norm now, smoking. I mean, I don't know what it's like here, but it it just it it affects the skin and it affects the circulation and it affects how the skin functions as an organ.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

So I think that that is is something that definitely plays a big role in in the way our skin is today.

SPEAKER_07

Wow.

SPEAKER_01

Um, I you know, do foods affect the skin? Absolutely, but I think people generally tend to be more conscious of foods and ingredients now, and there's definitely more out there on social media about um foods that are healthy. Um and so I I think that people are more educated in that area. But I do think this whole, you know, weed and smoking pandemic and you know, it it just is um, as I said, I'm maybe. It has other benefits mentally. And I know it certainly helps. But but just for for the skin, I think that that's a big um misconception. And also with alcohol. You know, a lot of as I said, it's people think that, you know, wine and um that this is all healthy, but when you're talking about the skin, and remember the skin is just a reflection of what's going on on the inside. I think that it um is is a little not exactly accurate. Right.

SPEAKER_04

I feel like there's just a lot of different lifestyle factors and different holistic factors that people can contribute to their skin to make it look healthier, better, feel better.

What "Holistic Skincare" Actually Means

SPEAKER_04

Could you define what holistic skincare is? Because I feel like people are taking it out of context and just calling everything holistic. Yeah. How would you define it?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I I mean, I it's like when people say, you know, is this all natural? And I just think that word natural is just so um, you know, not controlled. Uh I think that um holistic is is is is something that's different for everybody. You know, um, you know, would I say I'm a holistic aesthetician? I would say no. Okay. I what I believe in is massaging the skin. I'm a huge, as I said, believer in that. Um, do I believe that, you know, sometimes I think even the word natural or even natural organic things, like let's just say a an aloe vera plant, you know, breaking off a leaf and putting that on your face directly from the plant can burn your skin. Oh wow. And I think, you know, a lot of people when it comes to natural essential oils, they're they can also burn the skin. You know, we again our bodies are just not what they used to be a hundred years ago. So it's almost like, you know, we digest foods that are a little bit more um processed, better than natural foods that are that come straight from a garden. And that's sad, but that's the reality because our bodies are evolving with our environment. And therefore, I think it's the same with skincare. Like you have to, you know, I I think it's wonderful that people can work with natural products, and I think it's wonderful that they can work beautifully for some people, but the truth is that it's not like that for everybody. And I think that what's really important is whatever it is you choose to use in your treatment room, that it has to make sense to you. Right. And you have to know your why. You have to know why, you know, why am I choosing to use this particular brand? Right. Or why am I choosing to do my treatment in the way that I do it? Right. Because those two questions, your why, um, and you have to understand your tools and the power of your tools. Yeah. I think that that's what makes the word more holistic to me is really, is really owning who you are as a person and doing what makes sense to you. Right. Um, using tools that make sense to you. Um, and I, you know, I think that that that's the creative art in being holistic. I just sort of feel like it's such a a word that gets thrown around a lot without a lot of um understanding.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. What would you say is your why?

SPEAKER_01

Um I love what I do and I really want to help people with their skin. And in my treatment room, I'm, you know, I'm big on education. I want my client to understand their skin. Right. And I I really customize my treatments for my clients. Um I think my my why is really I just want to help people understand their skin and I want them to feel their best.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And and feel that magic every day. Yeah. That's what I want.

SPEAKER_04

I

Nerida's Five Star Method Explained

SPEAKER_04

love that. Yeah, thank you. So on the topic of you, yeah, I want to talk a little bit more about you. You know, you've made so many shifts in the industry. You created the five-star method. I did. Um, you've also trained so many aestheticians. Yes. So I kind of just wanted to know what the five-star method is. Oh.

SPEAKER_01

The five-star method is a course I developed um just prior to COVID, actually. And it was my life's work. I, you know, it's it's funny when you get to a certain age, you start thinking about your legacy. And for me, I realized that my five-star method, I need to put all of my knowledge into something because I wish I had a me when I was in beauty school.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I wish there was someone that I could look at and say, wow, that really makes sense to me. And because people keep saying to me, is there books I can read? And I just I wish there were. But I think the five-star method for me was everything that I've gone through and and really figured things out to put it into over 60 hours of video. Every new thing I do, every speech I do, every you know, webinar, uh, it all goes into it. So it's constantly being updated. It is a course for aestheticians to be able to build on and help them understand more about what they're looking at when they look through a Maggie lamp, to be able to understand how to analyze skin. Um, each step of a facial, it's the treatment, it's the importance of home care, is not being afraid of recommending home care to your clients because I was. I was scared that people would think I was pushing and trying to sell them, but actually it's an important part of you know building a loyal clientele and helping somebody with their skin, is putting them on a great skincare regimen. And so the five-star method is it's a course that teaches you everything from beginning to end. And it doesn't matter where I fly in the world. I constantly have people coming up to me and sometimes very emotional aestheticians saying, you know, I've been I've been watching your videos forever. Yeah, you know, you've helped shaped me as an aesthetician. And I um and it's it's it there is nothing more incredible than hearing that.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

There really isn't, because you think, gosh, if you can change somebody's life and you can help that aesthetician understand a little more, then that's exciting.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, that's so heartwarming. Yeah. I love that.

What's Missing in Esthetic Education Today

SPEAKER_04

Would you say that um there's something missing in today's aesthetic training, considering, you know, a lot of people they follow you and they watch your videos and you've helped people so much, but do you think it's because maybe in the training they were supposed to get they weren't getting enough?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, again, it's something that um I I think that it's there's twofold. Number one, I trained in Australia and I graduated beauty school in 1978, and my training was really pretty extraordinary. Um, it was extraordinary because I was, you know, I felt so proud to be an esthetician. I I feel that it's important to for estheticians to to really embrace what they're doing, you know, and what being an aesthetician is. It's you know, it's it's striving to be a skin expert. Right. But but just to wear a uniform, to, you know, have clean nails, to really walk your talk is important. Um wear your hair tied back when you're working on faces. I think these things are really important. And and I I came from a pretty strict school of beauty therapy where we had to really honor a lot of this with hygiene. And I think that that's something that needs to be um brought back into schools, honestly. I I think it it it gives you a sense of um, you know, owning something and and just of who you are too as a as a skin expert. So I think that um beauty schools today are just um too casual.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You know, I you can wear whatever you want, you and and I just don't feel there's any pride with that. I th I I think it's it's like you know, I went to boarding school and I had to wear hats and gloves. And um we when we went to town, we had to wear thick stockings and our our sh our dress was measured above our knee, it couldn't be higher than a certain length. And I I think there's although that was horrible at the time, I I really am grateful now because I I think that customer service has just gone out the window in so many areas. And I think that service in general is you you you have to people put on a glove, a disposable glove, and they think, oh, I'm doing a great thing here, where they're really just protecting themselves because they're touching so much that hello, it's not hygienic anymore by the time you get to my face, right? Little on my mouth, right, you know. Um, so I feel that you know that someone really needs to take a good look at all of this. And if I owned a beauty school over here, I would it would be very different and it would be much stricter. And I just sort of feel that um it needs to, we need to bring that back, you know, in some form. And it it has to be fun. But I also think in beauty schools over here that choosing, you know, helping aestheticians understand that we're all different and it's okay to be different. Like you don't have to do a facial exactly like you learn in beauty school. Right. If it doesn't feel right for your hands. Yeah. So I think giving estheticians the power of knowing, you know, what what I like to say to my girls is what equipment do you want in your treatment room that's gonna help you be successful? Right. It's it's finding out even by watching the way their hands move. Like I can tell if that feels good for them or not. Because if it doesn't feel good for you as an aesthetician, it certainly isn't gonna feel good for your client. Right. So it's really help, you know, it's it's embracing each individual and really helping them flourish in the area that that of their brilliance. Yeah. And I think that that's not done in beauty schools. Right. You know, I I studied for 12 years after beauty school in iridology, kinesiology, nutrition, bush essences. Wow. I did so much because I wanted tools that made sense to me. And even though I may not use all of them today, I there are some that I am just so grateful for. So I think the opportunity to be able to try on different things and see what makes sense to you is really valuable. Right. But I think in beauty school today, you're taught very little about real reality, about skin. You're given a book, right? You're you have, you know, products, people, companies that come in and show you devices, um, maybe brands that come in. I think, you know, it's it's it's nice to have all of that definitely, but it's also nice to enforce that you're all different. This is just a guide. Yeah. Let's help you build your magic in the treatment room and and let's help you feel confident in that.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So it's um it needs to be a lot more thought needs to go into beauty schools, I think. Yeah. It's too, it's not respected.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And therefore, um, people don't feel coming out of beauty school like that, they're so special. Right. And you know what? We're all special. And we should be made to feel like, you know, let's let's figure out how what what a beautiful custom facial is for you. Yeah. You know, so I yeah, I feel there's a lot that can be done.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

The hygienic aspect of everything is really interesting because hygiene is everything in skincare. Yes. So to not have it be so focused on in schools or be taught as a treat someone who's a skin healer to treat their clients like in the most hygienic way. That's so interesting.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. I mean that the hygiene, the amount of people that wear jewelry when they're doing facials, the hair is down. Yeah. There's no thought that goes into this whole glove situation just blows my mind. You know, I I just find it really interesting that someone will wear a pair of gloves throughout a whole treatment and uh and not be thinking that it's not hygienic. It's more hygienic to wash your hands and to be doing it many times throughout a facial than putting gloves on and just having them on the whole facial. I don't understand that.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Maybe you should start the Narrative Joy beauty school.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yes, I've I've been tasked. We found your next project today. Oh, it's funny.

Advice for Aspiring Estheticians

SPEAKER_04

So for any aspiring aestheticians listening, what's your biggest piece of advice that you could give them?

SPEAKER_01

Um, just to to learn as much as you can. And um, you know, if things don't feel right to you, to to know that it's important that you do what makes sense to you, um, to know your why. You know, if you're going to go and work in salons, I do think it's it's important that when you come straight out of beauty school, that you go and work somewhere with other people because you are going to learn more.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Uh I think that going out on your own is great, but I think that the experience of working in a place is valuable in the beginning. I I think it's really important to not be lazy.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And to make sure that even if you do work from home and you have a space in your home, that you dress for your work every day. Right. That you think about your appearance because although you think your client doesn't notice, they notice everything.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

The way that you make your bed, your presentation in general, um, your client notices everything. I think it's important to understand your worth. I think that, you know, sometimes if in the beginning you might be doing facials that are two hours long. Once you start getting busier and you start cutting back that time, um, people can feel like you're not spending as much time with them. I think it's important to be good with your timing. Um, I think it's important to not let people cancel on you last minute and think that that's okay. I think it's important to know your worth with your time and to work in a spa where they have a 24-hour cancellation policy or I think all of these things are really valuable. Yeah. But I do think that um, but I'll just give an example. When I in my businesses, anybody that came to work for me, what I said to you before was absolutely correct. I would say to my girls, what is it that you need on your trolley? What tweezers do you like? What extraction tools do you like? What gloves do you like? I think it's important to be valued. Right. And to not be afraid to say to your boss, you know what, I don't like to use these gloves. I'd because I love it when my girls would say, Nerita, I don't like this wax, I don't like, and I I think it's important to know your worth, really. I do. Because, you know, as a as an owner, we expect excellence from, you know, our uh employees. And and but you can't have excellence if you're not giving them the tools to to help them be successful. So um I think that this is something that is really important. And I think that um, you know, when I'm asked, like, what should I do, narrator? I I even had somebody um purchase a consultation with me who was an aesthetician, who was a massage therapist, moving over to aesthetics and wanting to do facials because her body can't maneuver like it used to.

SPEAKER_07

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01

And she wanted advice on how to do that. I think that you know it's it's our you have to take care of yourself. Right. Because when you get to be older like me, if you're not taking care of yourself and and having massages and just taking care of yourself physically, it becomes hard. Yeah. You know, it's hard on our hands doing extractions 10 hours a day. Yeah. And so taking care of yourself is important because it's going to give you a lengthier time, yeah. Um, you know, for your career. Yeah. And so I think those are some key things that I would say are really valuable for someone coming out of beauty school. Right. Um, study as much as you can, pull from it what makes sense to you, be your best every day when you go out and um and and just know your worth.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You know, if you're walking around not taking care of yourself, then you're not going to get the same respect. But, you know, I always say to people, really under try to understand skin as much as you can because then you can go into any spa, work with any product, and still do an amazing job. Right. You know, it's about really kind of understanding what you're doing and um and building on that. And just I think that's really valuable.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Thank you for sharing. I feel like a lot of our listeners will really be able to resonate with that and really be grateful for that invite advice that you gave. Yes,

The Future of Skincare

SPEAKER_04

great. Thank you. So I want to talk a bit about the future of skincare. Yes. What do you hope the future of skincare will look like?

SPEAKER_01

Um, I I hope for the respect, it's all going to be around skin barrier. It's going to be that people respect the skin more and understand that we can't we where we have skin, but it's there's you can enhance it and you can protect it, but you can't take it off and put a new skin on. Correct. You just can't do that. Right. So I think that I hope there is more respect for um for the skin, and I hope there is more respect for the environment. Um, I hope that there's more that comes out with clothing to protect us from the environment because our environment is really scary in that it's it's getting harsher, the sun is harsher, everything is going to be really challenged. And if you're a fairer person, um you you know it's gonna be hard to keep the skin young because it's not the UVB that burns, it's that UVA that gets down and really destroys and makes the skin loose.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So it's not about how much you work out or what food you put in your body, it's about our environment as a whole and how it affects the skin long term. Right. So my hope is the that there is more respect for skin and protection of the skin as as we evolve.

SPEAKER_04

Right. I'm definitely more fair. So I try to stay out of the sun as much as as much as possible. I'll do like a spray tan or something, anything other than like letting the sun really penetrate into my skin because I I'll get freckles. That's very smart. Yeah. Yes. Good for you.

SPEAKER_01

You you get it.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I'm trying.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's wonderful. And it what's wonderful is because you're younger too, and that's going to save your skin, you know, as you get older. So I'm really happy to hear that.

Nerida Knows: Lightning Round

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. So I kind of want to close out with a little bit of a lightning round. Yes. I'm going to call it Narada Nose.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

So I'll ask you a question and you'll just give me a quick response. Okay. Ready? Yep. Okay. What's one product you'll never stop using? Sunblock. Good one. What's your guilty skincare pleasure?

SPEAKER_01

Guilty skincare pleasure. Um cleanser.

SPEAKER_04

Favorite ingredient of all time. Aloe vera. That's a good one. Most underrated skincare step. Cleansing. Why do you say that?

SPEAKER_01

Because most people don't they they're so excited to put their serum and their treatment product on. That's true. For people to get forget to clean their skin really well. Right. Like cleansing is 50% of your regimen. And it's it's important to understand that having a clean slate is really important. Like it's it's important for the next steps. So I think um I think cleansing is really underrated.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Wow.

Where to Find Nerida Joy

SPEAKER_04

Okay, well, thank you so much, Narada. Thanks for being here with us. Thank you. If you want to share with our with our listeners where they can find you, I know you have a YouTube channel and Instagram.

SPEAKER_01

I do. Yes, my I have Instagram, which is Ask Narrow to Joy. That is something I'm very active on my Instagram. And I've uh definitely got a YouTube channel too, a little little less active on, but my Instagram is probably my biggie where I'm on there all the time. Awesome. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for having me. I've learned a lot. And I just want to say thank you for um, you know, thank you for creating what you're doing because the the value in helping people understand more is really important. So thank you for having me. Of course. I really appreciate that.

SPEAKER_04

And thanks for, you know, being here and educating. You know, people like you are the reason we made something like this so that your voice and your education and your knowledge can be shared.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you. Really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_04

Well, this has been Face It where we get real about what works and what doesn't