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Masterclass with Cindy Dana
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Come sit in the garden with one of our favorite people in the world! Meet Cindy Dana, our beautiful pastor's wife. Cindy has a deep love of the Lord and a true appreciation of studying His Word. Take a peek into what our Bible studies end up sounding like as Cindy and the girls take a stroll through Psalm 139 and a few other verses.
Scriptures:
Psalm 139 NKJV
Isaiah 11:2 NKJV
Isaiah 58:11 ESV
Psalms 51:16-17 NLT
Psalms 23:3 ESV
Numbers 6:24-26 ESV
Hello, fellow warriors. We've got a special episode once more. Y'all really enjoyed our armor off episodes, we've noticed. So we thought, hey, let's just keep the ball rolling and throw something else new out there. We have a very special guest with us today, special to us, special to our church, um, to us like personally, I'm saying, and even to us spiritually. And it is, um, I'm gonna call her Aunt Cindy because she's my Aunt Cindy, but we all live really truly feel like she's all of our Aunt Cindy's. But this is our pastor's wife, Cindy. Everyone say hello. Like y'all can talk about it. I just told them I'm like, I don't know why I felt the need to act like I was in the classroom for some reason. Like I'm introducing a guest reader. But we all truly um, I don't even know how to express really what Aunt Sydney means to all of us, especially as women of the Lord. It's just something that she's always spurring you on spiritually, um, as a mom, as a believer, most importantly, uh, just as a woman in general. And she means a lot, a lot, a lot to us. So we thought, let's share just a teeny bit. Y'all don't get a lot of her. You can have a little of her if you want live and in action, come to church. But um, we asked her if she wanted to come and kind of most importantly, we just wanted to come teach us. And we thought, well, give everybody a little taste. So we asked her if she would come speak, and we're gonna be focusing on one piece of scripture today. So we're gonna read it. But first and foremost, we're gonna pray. Ansony, do you mind praying real fast?
SPEAKER_04Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03Okay, yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Thank you, Father, for this day, Lord. I thank you for your word today, Lord, that refines us and restores us, Lord. And that's what we come here today, Lord, just to look at it and um take it in for what you're telling us, Lord, that you want us to know um you as much as you know us. And so we take this word today, Lord, um, to get to know you and to give ourselves over to you. And we thank you, Lord Jesus, in your precious name. Amen.
SPEAKER_03Amen. So we're gonna be focused in. I don't even need this actually. We're gonna be focused in in Psalm. So easiest place to find in the Bible, honestly, you stick your Bible up, lay it down, and you're most likely gonna be in Psalm. Yeah, yeah, and we're gonna be in Psalm 139. We're way at the back this time. We haven't spent much time in Psalm, we didn't, um, honestly. Psalm's been everywhere around me lately, like everywhere, every little thing I see. So I know. Take that as a hint, maybe. I gotta spend some time. It is 24 verses. Madison, do you want to read and then like halfway? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So mine's actually titled God's Perfect Knowledge of Man. Oh Lord, you have searched me and known me. You know my sitting down and my rising up, you understand my thought afar off, you comprehend my path and my lying down, and are acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word on my tongue, but behold, O Lord, you know it altogether. You have hedged me behind and before, and laid your hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me. It is high, I cannot attain it. Where can I go from your spirit? Or where can I flee from your presence? If I ascend into heaven, you are there. If I make my bed in hell, behold, you are there. If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there your hand shall lead me, and your right hand shall hold me. If I say, Surely the darkness shall fall on me, even the night shall be light about me. Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from you, but the night shines as the day. The darkness and the light are both alike to you. For you formed my inward parts, you covered me in my mother's womb. I praise I will praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Marvelous are your works, and that my soul knows very well, that my frame was not hidden from you, when I was made in secret and skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed, and in your book they all were written, the days fashioned for me, when as yet there were none of them. How precious also are your thoughts to me, O God, how great is the sum of them. If I should count them, they would be more in number than the sand. When I awake, I am still with you. Oh, that you would slay the wicked, O God, depart from me, therefore, you bloodthirsty man. For they speak against you wickedly. Your enemies take your name in vain. Do I not hate them, O Lord, who hate you? And do I not loathe those who rise up against you? I hate them with perfect hatred, I count them my enemies. Search me, O God, and know my heart, try me and know my anxieties, and see if there is any wicked way in me, and lead me in the ever way everlasting. Amen.
SPEAKER_03The author of this, if you didn't know, is David, and he and some other psalmists, but um that's the author of this. So King David, we're in those are his words. So Aunt Cindy's got a lot on her heart, and we're just we're just ready for class.
SPEAKER_05I'm not my pick.
SPEAKER_02I got my pen, I got a highlighter, and I got a note sheet. But I think also it is important just to kind of highlight the the we've talked about coffee scriptures before, and this is definitely a t-shirt scripture one.
SPEAKER_03Fearfully and one.
SPEAKER_02Fearfully and wonderfully made, and that is or a onesie scripture all. Yeah, and it's absolutely correct. And like there's moments in here, and I'm sure um Aunt Sandy will talk about it, but you know, people talk like I don't think people realize this is a great one to read, like that people read to their children, right? In the kids' version of it, just to kind of explain um God's characters and like who who he is, right? His um omin omni characteristics. And I think that people don't realize how deep this really goes. So, and that's that's kind of why we're here today, is um and Cindy was like, I've read this probably a gazillion times, right? And you're like, I didn't realize, right? And so I think that's kind of to be said about a lot of scripture. People like to take it for surface value, and until you start diving deep, um, and we like to say this like this is not a book about me, right? This is a book about the Lord and his character and who he is. And so, like, that's what we need to dive into. What are his promises? What are his characteristics? What is his plan essentially for us? And um then we do get to apply those things, right? That's how we try and understand what his will is for our life and like why it is so important to have such a deep relationship with him.
SPEAKER_04So yes, um, and I do believe that too, that whenever um whenever you just start to read that, the very first thing that he says is, Lord, you have searched me and known me, right? And um that was in the um the the CSB version to start off with, and um, you know whenever I sit and when I stand up. Um so he's just telling us how much that he knows us, but we don't know him in that way, right? And um, so I think he's it's like he's just like reaching down, um, you know, to to just love on us and um and then to pull us up, yeah, right. Um so and and this part of what I think David's trying to say too is that um it's verse by verse of him refining us. Um and um and I I think you have to also go back to where David was at the time. There was so much, you know, things that happened within his life, there were hurts that happened, probably even from the time that he was born, was the same way. And um, that God had been working on restoring him even as a young, young man. Um, and then even whenever he got anointed, he did not understand what that anointing meant. Um, but that he kept continuing on um in it. And um, all the the things he went through, um, him teaching him when he was shepherding, you know, and all the things that we get out of the Psalms that he learned from actual um things that he went through. Um and so whenever we think of them from that aspect, that with the same thing, we can take our life experiences and look back on them and that just see where God was working to refine or restore us as well. Um, and that we don't stay in that state um of of not always searching um for his goodness, searching for him to do what he can do in us.
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SPEAKER_03The boys are currently obsessed with the movie David. We took them to see it in the theater, and um, it's the cartoon version, but it's still like yeah, and I don't think any one person in the Bible matters more than any, but I think David is someone that you can see yourself in and definitely thinking about him being my boys are all younger, and that he was probably the age that my boys have 11, 9, and 7, and 3. So he's definitely one of those in those age. And even when he was in the movie, when they anointed, when Samuel came to anoint them, David's family understood that that was technically treason by by standards of what was happening. That's right. And even David was like, uh, me? Like, and then his some of his older brothers were already in the military, and they're all were already promised their life to Saul to be his military or to be in the military. Um, but even David was like, Okay, like alrighty then. Yeah, but just to see it, like my boys are now even watching it, it's like that you you live a normal life, is what I'm trying to say. That he was just a little boy when it happened, and exactly like you were saying, that all these psalms and so much of his beautiful writing that he did was from a normal, a normal life, like a right, do you don't have to be a king or a he lived a lot of it just as a man. Yeah, like I just thought that was really neat, like the that so much, so much from where his psalms come from is that life that he lived, but having the Lord be right there, like the whole time.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and that he spent so much time with him alone, yeah, right. And we live in a society where we think aloneness is a bad thing, and um, and how how we have to be in that time alone with him, right? Um, just you and him. And that's what happened with David, like he spent so much time alone with him. So I've I mean, for me, I value the the time that in the mornings. I love to get up early in the morning. Sometimes I go on the porch, sometimes I'm just in the house, you know, just whatever. But um, just that time of just um in his word and um just you know, just taking it in. And it's taken, it took years, right? There was a lot of refining he had to do in me, a lot of restoring he had to do in me, but it um, but whenever it started, I mean, I still long for it every day. Every day. Um, it doesn't matter where I go, you know, if you're on vacation, you still gotta have that time. That that's harder because you know, there's just so much stuff going on that you don't necessarily always have that alone time, yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_03Um, but and focus alone time because I would say you spend a lot of time driving.
SPEAKER_04I do.
SPEAKER_03So you have alone time, but even that you're driving or you're the phone or whatever, but that's what you're saying. Like, and you've preached that to us, to our church about the secret place, like that quality, yeah, that nothing's in, and you've even told us no music, no nothing, no, no anything. Like that's the purpose is your Bible, you and him. Like that's something.
SPEAKER_04It's actually kind of funny that like um when I'd like to go out, I do like to go out on the porch a lot because you know it's just that you got a pretty view at night. Yeah, I have a good view, and but when the bird starts singing, I have to go inside because that becomes a distraction. Yeah, right. Um, and they do every morning, and that but it just kind of showed me like how creation recognizes their creator. We don't necessarily I mean, it's it helped train me to understand to recognize my creator, yeah. Um, and when the birds start singing in the morning, right? That they're saying, good morning, father, right? You know they know their purpose. I know they did, yeah, right. So it just, you know, it's really cool just to kind of take that time.
SPEAKER_01So that's cool. So good.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. So it does get it, and um, I just I think about like every word, like if you go to, I mean every part of scripture, right? Then it's just telling you, um, I love Paul's, you know, writings, um, you know, whenever he's dealing with taking taking Jesus into um to pagan um areas. And um, and they were good God worshippers, not the God, but little god worshippers, and having to um to get them to notice and to see a difference, right? Um, of what they were doing, because it was it all went from that outward to an inward, right? Right, and that's what he wants with us. He's restoring the inward part of us. Um, so it's and that's what happens on a daily basis. That's why you have to go to that secret place on a daily basis because you can't carry what you got out from him yesterday into today. Right. Only manna for the day, only manna for the day.
SPEAKER_03I love that. We I think it was during matchless when we talked about that or seamless, one of those ones, but I love that because and I think it's because they get he gave the visual to the Israelites. Like, you cannot, I don't want you to save and store what was from yesterday. You have to come. Yes, that I think is the thing that I love specifically about David is that that he knew that so clearly. Yeah, he's like, I know that I've got to do this all the time. Yes, and that's how the Lord knew that he was after his own heart. Like he wasn't it and not to compare people, but like Saul loved the Lord at a time, but then it wasn't every day. He wasn't going every day, yeah. And he was leaning on what he knew from before, right? Yeah, watching that even in like chosen and how they um David Joe is watching The House of David over again. Um, and I have I didn't start it, so I didn't watch it with him, but even watching that like a person depict that of Saul did love the Lord, but he just started to love himself a little more. Well, and I think he wasn't going daily, like he wasn't getting fed.
SPEAKER_04He got he got overwhelmed by the um noise, the praise of other people, yes, yeah, and then stopped going because that's did David did wrong things, yeah, bad things, terrible things, awful things.
SPEAKER_03Yes, and then he kept he but he came back. He said, Lord, I I am those things, I did those things, but I know you love me. Yeah, I'm not I did those things, I am not those things. I did those things.
SPEAKER_00I was like, oh that's not speaking of uh manna. I heard it, I think on Way FM one day. I was at Alex's house and she had it like the kids were playing and she just had it on the speaker. And they said, because we think of manna like Exodus times, long time ago, bread doesn't fall from the sky now, right? Like food, what is it doesn't fall from the sky? But they said God has never forgot the recipe for manna. So like it's different, you know? Like we think of it as different, but it's not like he still provides us our mana, but we have to go get it. Yes, have to ask for it. Yeah, we have to go get it. If you're not opening your mana, you're not gonna get any of it. Yeah. Um, because you know, he also said, like, only grab your portion for the day. Right. You don't agree before the Sabbath, you can go and collect two days' worth. So you don't have to get on the Sabbath, but you have to get it daily. Also, thinking about David, I know there are some, there are some Bible characters where you see a lot of their life, like you know, Moses down the river, and then you watch his life go. But I feel like there's not a maybe not a lot that you get to see from like childhood all the way to the end. But David is one of those to see your his God's hand on him at such a young age, yeah, to just being like I feel like you get to see almost all of the stages of his life. Shepherd, regular man leading the army to king, to his downfall, to coming back to the Lord, and you really get to see kind of relate it back to you, you know, because sometimes we feel like we're not, well, the Lord had his hand on me, but I walked away, and then that's it. Like I can't come back from that. But then David came back from that. And he wrote how much of Psalms because of that. Yeah. And the Lord redeemed and restored his story, and now we're that that turned into our manna that we get to eat every day.
SPEAKER_04And I think about like in this study that we've been doing about when you pray, um, and whenever um Jesus had given us the Lord's Prayer, and he talks about that, give us our this day our daily bread, um, that it so encompasses so many different things. Um, the physical nourishment, the understanding, the wisdom, and the experience of the divine presence um of him. Yeah. Um, so I just thought that was so good that um it just it goes away from typically think people think bread, food, right? And um, it's just so much bigger than that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Um, and that you know, Jesus had to tell tell them that because they were I would say they were hungry most of the time, right? Physically. And um, and he was telling them it's way beyond that.
SPEAKER_03So good. I read this verse, uh, not this women's conference, but the last one because for me it was like an actual depiction of I think once you you can be saved and you can, and we've talked about this a lot. There's a version of salvation that is just salvation. You're just okay with the ticket and you're you're fine with it. Like I'm going to heaven and I'm gonna live my life. I know who the Lord is here in the life, but making him savior of your soul and Lord of your life are two very different things. Right. You can do one and then not do the other, truthfully. You can have him save your soul and then not live in a terrible way, but live in a very like what we've been talking about, surface level way. And that this verse was to me was the one when I was like, I've decided I don't want that. Yeah, I want to be searched. Yes, I want to be refined.
SPEAKER_05Yes.
SPEAKER_03But I recently heard a lady, so I've known that I've said read this verse, I don't know how many times, honestly, and then we I just shared the video with Aunt Cindy on a lay to Saul Lady on TikTok talking about it. And she said, but David in this verse is showing all of his heart, not just the clean, nice pieces. Because then in my ver in my um, where Madison said, bloodthirsty, mine says, murderers, get out of my life, you murderers. Yes, like he's sharing every little nook and cranny of his heart, the parts that are nice and sweet and soft, but also the parts that want vengeance and like all of it. And he's saying, Here's my whole heart, Lord. Yeah, search it all. I'm not gonna lie and say, I don't think those things, I think those things. Yes, and what human doesn't.
SPEAKER_04Oh, exactly.
SPEAKER_03Yes, but I loved that, that it was not just because you can't. I tell the boys all the time, if would you do that if Jesus was standing there? And I don't do that to scare them, but I do that because I want them to understand he is there for everything, whether you admit to it or not, he is there and sees it. Mommy doesn't, but he does to kind of give me hints every now and again, boys, just so you know. But I don't see it, but he does. And if you will lie to me, then you'll lie to him. And I never want you to do that ever. I want he already knows.
SPEAKER_04Well, and just being able to train um the little ones at this point in time, that they have a help, they have a helper. Yes. Um, you know, we talk about that, you know. I've recently talked about that with Hadley, right? Because they were testing in school and she was very anxious about all of that, you know, just the pressure that gets put on her. And, you know, just to have into remind her, you have the Holy Spirit to help you. You have that. And and and that it's kind of a um scary thing for them because they don't really understand that whole deal. Um, but then the the more that um they start relying on, you know, him to help them, they have to do their part, right? Like us, we have to do our part, right? But he's there to help and guide us and direct us when we ask him, yeah, right, because he is a perfect gentleman. So whenever we don't ask and go off on our way, right, then we have some regret, guilt, things that happen, right? But he he is so gracious to let us come back. And so the whole story of David, the same thing, right? He always was always gracious to let him come back. So the same thing for us, but that we have the Holy Spirit, and that was a promise that was given um, you know, from the Holy Spirit would come and go in the old testament, right? But um, and I and I remember one time someone shared with me about Isaiah 11, 2, that um they said you know, it's it was God's promise of the Holy Spirit, and he said, the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, which is talking about Jesus, right? Um the spirit of wisdom, understanding, and the spirit of counsel and of might, and the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord. There's actually seven different um I just read that the other day.
SPEAKER_03I'm so excited.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you said eleven twenty two or eleven twenty two.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and um so that and so here's what was said to me you have to see him as a man, right? Not as like the spirit. You have to see him as a man. And um I remember that um very, very well. You know, and I watched him come in um to a service um and it felt like a whirlwind that came through um that day. And um I mean it was amazing um to watch what he does, right? But we were calling on him, asking him to um to be present, you know. So we have to invite him into every situation of our life. So teaching our kids to invite him into every situation, um, what no matter what it is. Nothing is too big or something. Nothing, right? Um so um that was just to me the promise that he had given. And so then you go back to um to this deal with David in Psalms 139, and the thing that like really stuck out to me is that whenever he said in verse 24, um, and this is um, you know, like I'm usually like I'll I will read it and then I'll let him just kind of like you know say it in a different way, right? To me, and sometimes it's different versions of that, but he said he's asking uh God to say, see if there's any uh offensive way in me. Um what are the things in me that still exist um that I don't even know that is still there? Get into those deep, deep things of me that are still hidden, that I've either suppressed the things I don't want to have to deal with anymore, um, but they still um they still direct your life in ways that you don't even realize. So yeah. Um and so then he says, lead me um in the way of everlasting. And so what he's saying is transform me and guide me so that the part of me is removed. Because he will remove it. He tells us. So if you go back to the other part and he says, as far as the east is from the west, I I know, I know where you are, I know where it is, but I will take it and remove it from you. But you have to ask me about it.
SPEAKER_03Because just as you always say, and we've quoted it before, he is the gentleman, he's never going that goes against the whole design of it. The whole point is free will, like you choose him, you choose to love him, you choose to honor him, worship him, and that's what he's like, he's always like, I I want you to come, yeah, clean it out, like make it known to me so I can bring it back to you and get rid of it.
SPEAKER_04And um, you know, different times uh, you know, I've told you guys before, different times that you know, um, even Frank that will kind of like share a word I don't like it.
SPEAKER_03You're like stop yeah, um it is funny because there's a hush that goes over the church, and you everyone's like Cindy, and he's looking at her the whole time.
SPEAKER_00He's looking at it, like waiting to get checked too. He knows he's pushing it.
SPEAKER_04He'll start, he'll yeah. But so, and what he said was is that um that even it in the high summary of like all of this, that if you don't get to know him and understand what your role that he has for you, the assignments that he has for you, he won't give you another one. Right.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So we got to deal with this right now before we can move on to the next assignment.
SPEAKER_03And what a perfect example of David. Like, like you said, like came and was anointed as a child, lived that season as a shepherd as he was expected to do in his family, and then was a man, was a young man, was uh uh in the military and did all like every season was where am I supposed to be? Like, what am I supposed to do?
SPEAKER_04And he got influenced by a lot of different things, and we do the same thing. We get influenced by very worldly things, Satan's plan, yeah, right, to influence us, to distract us from the actual mission that we were actually given. I mean, if you go back to Jeremiah, I mean, he says, I know the plans and thoughts I have for you, right? And um, and they're good, right? They're yeah, yeah, and sometimes we get off track, and but this is always a way to go back. So, even for yourself, taking this psalm and reading it and asking the Lord to do the same thing in you um to help you, to lead you in that way of everlasting. Um, and then he go, then I love how this even goes back, go back to even to the third verse, whenever he said, You observe my travels and my rest, you are aware of all my ways. Um, and so like even like at that point, I go start breaking down the words, right? That ways, so um, the Hebrew word for ways. Um, and it's talking about the door or the pathway that I have taken, the path, um, the habits, my moral character. It could be customs or family traits that are my ways, right? Yeah, not just travel. Right. I mean, um, you could go back to saying that it's even part of um um the family curses that get to carry, you know, um, onto you.
SPEAKER_03Um they talk about a lot about that, right?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, generational generational things, right? Uh and then choices I have made, right? And um, and but he frees you from the choices that you have made. Man kind does not ever want you to forget the choices that you have made. But God said, I remove them and I don't bring them up. If they get brought up to you, it's not of me. Right? Yeah. So um so true. Yeah. And and that's the part David understood too. So that's what to me he is trying to um express to us um in these psalms is that um whenever restoration comes, accept the restoration and move on to the next assignment.
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SPEAKER_04So that um that I and I, you know, I love numbers. I love the numbers. Uh it's um, I mean, I just can't even explain to you that like it's just the way he does he that he had to use those kind of things to speak to me.
SPEAKER_02That's your right, that's the way you communicate that's right. That's the way it is, right?
SPEAKER_04The wonders, the miracles, I mean, it's the words, whatever, but that's what he uses the numbers to speak to me. Um, so I always go back to that because I learned so much every time. And if I even go back to that third psalm, that you know, um, that or that third verse in that psalm, that um is uh this it's it's really pointing you to the Holy Spirit, right? Um that um that he's aware of it and that um of all your ways, right? But he wants to renew that in you. Um so the the third letter is gimel, um, and it's literally like a foot picking up and moving on, right? That I don't want you to stay in that state anymore. I want you to move on and move on to the path that I have for you. And the um and whenever God restores you, uh knowing that He will guide you, um in Isaiah 55, 8, um He says that and the Lord will guide you continually and satisfy your desire in scorched places, and make your bones strong, and you shall be like a watered garden, like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. So that's also part of that um that gimel of that constant state of transformation where he is always going to be um carrying you to something new. You're always going to be learning something new. I mean, I can you can read the same verse over and over again. Take a little bit of time and start digging into every word, and you're gonna learn something new. Um Isaiah 6 talks about the angels um passing by the throne, saying, holy, holy, holy. They're seeing something new about God every time they pass by. You know, we should every time we pass by these words, we should see something new. We should see something new.
SPEAKER_02And that's the aspect, sorry, go ahead. Um that's the aspect of the word being alive that I think people don't comprehend. Like, yeah, and as you like, you studied obviously a lot longer than the three of us combined, and it's like you get you're still getting something new. All the time, all the time, yeah, and like that's how it works. That's and it's also like what we need in that time, right? Because he can't reveal to you everything in that one moment. We couldn't comprehend, we couldn't, we couldn't understand it or comprehend it. It would be way too finite. We are way too finite for that. Yeah, we are still too surface even when we try and dive deep. And so that's why he has to give us like bite size. I think of a baby, like you have to start out with milk, and then you start out with like small little teeny tiny pieces, like things that you can handle a little bit at a time. Yeah, and also when he can start to trust you with a little is when he can then give you a lot more, right? But yeah, first it is just just these, you know, diving in one word at a time, maybe, or like we tell everybody, like one verse at a time. Sometimes you just need to sit and chew on a verse, like it's not even because Psalms 139, there's a lot there, and like we said, there's 24 verses. It's so much more than we could even cover in our time today. Yeah, but just the amount of like knowledge and understanding that he will give you and how it's renewed, that's the living part that we are referring to when we talk about the word being living and giving you what you need. That manna for the day, right? He's giving you what you need, he knows what you understand, he knows what you're thinking, and he knows like what's gonna stick out to you numbers, right? He knows what's gonna speak to us in those moments. So I did just want to kind of hit on that because I think some people do get confused, like, what do you mean it's living and alive?
SPEAKER_01Like, yeah, that sounds crazy.
SPEAKER_00Never-ending well of like a treasure hunt that you can never find all of it, and you just keep digging and it keeps getting better. Yeah. Um, but that goes down to like you searched me and you know, you know me. Like he knows Miss Cindy and he knows numbers and he knows what speaks to you specifically, and because we're all made and created so differently. Right. Um I feel like though, like listening to Miss Cindy talk, like hopefully you guys are understanding, like truly, you were the first person I've ever learned from who studied like this when we started coming here over 10 years ago. I don't even know how long now, and I would like immediately was like, I've been in church my whole life. I've never seen someone study like that. Like it was so surface level. Yeah. Not that, not like not just it just is what it is. And for me, like I'll put it back on me, like it was so surface level for me. But like seeing someone truly dig and study and never stop. It's like, oh man, there's so much more. And then you just the more you dig, the smaller you feel, but like in the best way possible. Absolutely. Where like, and that goes back to you saying, like, this isn't a book about us. Like the more you search for me, me, me, the more you're gonna, oh, this works for me. Right, this works for me, and I'm gonna twist this, it kind of works. But if I fix it a little bit, then now this works for me. And then you're then you're messing with fire because you're taking the word and you're twisting it to work for you. Yes. But instead of like like when you feel a little, like we went to a women's conference at a local church and they talked about not necessarily this, but I feel like this psalm specifically works so well. Like this should be an oil change. Yeah, like this should be something you do, because if you do it once and you think, oh, he led me into the way everlasting, I'm there. But instead, like Miss Cindy's saying, like this is a transformation that has to keep happening. Right. Yeah. So it's not just like a transform lightning bolt moment and I'm good to go now. But like once you start feeling a little unaligned and you need to get back in line, like flip back open to Psalm 20, 39, it's time for an oil change.
SPEAKER_03It is time, yes. We just talked about that, Tony and I, this week, because we were saying how, and before you would have never known the difference of when you're unaligned. Yes. But once you've experienced and then you get unaligned, you're like, number one, you don't like it because it feels wrong. Yeah, so it doesn't feel right anymore. Yeah, and I would say I think that'd be in like because I from experience, I've 20 years almost, you've known me. How crazy is that?
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um, because Joe and I started dating so young, and I was literally 16 when I met her. And um, and I would say, I wouldn't say you weren't like this then, but I would say that's but I loved coming. Uh like Uncle Frank and her were always so sweet and kind and all that, but I think that'd be interesting. Like, how long do you feel like you've been so ferocious in the word? Like just to give I because I think it's a beautiful picture that just because you were one way does not mean you have to stay that way. Right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Um, I'd probably say that my journey with him probably started in two, like really started probably somewhere around 2006.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Um, yeah, see, and I had just graduated. So that was a couple years after I began to know you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Because y'all started, y'all were doing rope in church, but then I did, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like from '98. Um, but that was all Frank. Right. And he says that. I love that.
SPEAKER_03He's very Uncle Frank says that all the time. And he anytime he speaks to couples or anything that has, and he feel like ministry is part, and he'll say, he will not call one without the other. Yeah. Ever.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And he's been very honest that he was told he was explained, and then it was like, then you also came along, and then it was like, Yeah. He was working on you two and him, like separately.
SPEAKER_04Right. And and it's it's our perception, right? Of when you see someone else, and you think that's that you have to be molded into that kind of um person, like how they are. And I was like, no, no things. That ain't happening. That is not happening. You know, it's like the word never. Don't ever say never. Right. Because he will laugh at you, right? Yeah. Well, but he's gonna show you something different, yeah. Right. And um, I think that the same thing. We we're not uh we're not a mold to be getting into. He's the one who molds us, right? I think about those pots of clay, right? They all look different, right? They all look different, and they're there for his purpose. You know, I mean, I wrote that even this. I'm his vessel, right? I'm an instrument to be used by him. Yeah, right. And and um, and we and sometimes we think the word used by is a bad thing, right? Like being used by someone, um, but I'm part of his kingdom. And and he and whenever you when you walk in that kind of light versus that I'm just out here doing this for somebody else. Now I'm his family, yeah. You know, I and um the little things that you that I learn in there. Um, and I, you know, I kind of digress a little bit, but that would go back to even Peter and them whenever um after Jesus had even resurrected, whenever he was cooking for them on the seashore, and he said children, but he really wasn't saying children, he said family. Yeah, right. He and so like sometimes when we read it, we don't like dig into it to say that he was calling you. So he calls me daughter, right? Right. And he and he tells me that I am his um that I'm I'm I'm a part of the royal priesthood. Right um, you know, and so whenever you take on that, and now you I I that's what I'm to walk in. That's the instrument, you know, no different than the priests in the old testament. When you read about them, right, they were set apart. Whenever you start understanding that you're set apart for his purpose, then it starts changing that I'm not being used, right? That um I'm part of that, you know, I'm part of his kingdom forever. Yeah, right, forever.
SPEAKER_02Because that everlasting David talks about in 139, that's heaven. That's that's not here. Like you will get transformed and restored here, but like the perfect transformation. Is that everlasting end right? Right. And so that's not, you know, it's a constant, and uh, we've kind of talked about this not here today, but um, when you get to heaven, what that looks like, there's gonna be people people that are kind of going to a classroom like having to learn all of it because they didn't do the digging here, right? And then there's some of us that are gonna already kind of know, and so like we have a different assignment, right? And so when you do get to heaven, you have different positions and different callings too, they're just as much here, and so it's we'll be very busy in heaven, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Right, yeah. I love that, right? That there's gonna be there's still so much that that's still gonna be going on there, and it's you know, it's not just um, and I think that whenever you get a hunger to know that it's bigger than what you even see here, because he said to bring heaven to earth, right? So absolutely. So I think that the same the commerce is still gonna go on, right? There are still things that are gonna be happening that you're gonna be part of um at at whatever level, you know. Um, but to get excited about that, you know, um that it's not gonna be boring.
SPEAKER_03Oh if we do that, you're coming back in Sunny because a heaven study would be fun, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Right. So I'm I I look forward to that. But uh I I I think it um someone that I have listened to multiple times and um that's in heaven now, but um, I think it's Kenneth Hagin. He said, This is training time for raining time, right? And um, so when you think about that training that he's putting us um in right now, I'm like that I'm I'm good. I I like that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um and that I think that's also why we have that. I I don't know, he keeps signifying restoration, transformation to me. Yeah, you have to have transformation in order to get restoration. And restoration, when I think about that, the key word in there is rest. And that's also why this is a process and it's never ending because when you think about working with clay, right? Like when you start to work um with clay, you have to, you can only work it so much you have to let it rest before you can go back and do something else. And that's ultimately what he calls us to be, right? Is a pot of clay. And um, I just heard Philip Anthony Mitchell this morning. I was listening to one of his things, and he's like, I want to be a broken piece of clay on the floor, because then the Lord can pick you up and you know, restore that brokenness into such wholeness and transform, you know, that old life into a new life and restore what was broken. Right, right.
SPEAKER_04And that and that to me is where you talk about this inner healing. Yes, that we have to go through this inner healing because a broken vessel leaks out, right, right. And he won he calls us to be whole, yeah. Right. And that and for us to be um that vessel, and you can take so many different analogies out of that. Absolutely. Why that the um the pictures that had to be filled to the brim, right? That's what he wants to do with us. Right. It doesn't get it never gets filled to the brim if it's got break, it's if it's broken, right, right? It leaks out, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So good. And I love because like thinking about back to that would be um, I forget who what uh country or region it is, but how they do take like broken pieces of Japan. It is, right? Okay, I thought so.
SPEAKER_03And they inlay it with gold because they say the purpose of it is to make it stronger, yeah, and it's still and their thing is it still has words. Right, and it still has purpose, it still has worth. Yeah, I actually put that in my speech when I read this, yeah, because that was for me when I finally came to the place of okay, Lord, I it's okay that I'm broken. Right. Because you like those pieces, right? And you know what the ultimate design is supposed to be. So if I give you the broken pieces, you fill yourself in in the holes. Right. He's the and when they're filled in, and then I'm whole again, I'm whole because you put me back together.
SPEAKER_05Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03That was like my thing at that conference when I realized that because when you grow up expecting yourself to be a certain way, and whether others outside pressure to do so or not, you can do it all to yourself all internally.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_03Like be perfect, be this, be that. And it was mostly from my own self, not there was some outside, but mostly myself. And I'm like, I'm just and I it's still something that I battle all the time is like the worthiness of that. Like, am I? I want to be, and I am, but every now and again that thought creeps in of like, why? Like, and I think to myself, sometimes like, why me? But then, like you say, divine favor, period, end of story, yeah. And it you don't have to understand that or explain it. Divine favor.
SPEAKER_04Walk in it.
SPEAKER_03I asked her one day, I'm like, don't you feel guilty sometimes of like of all the amazing and nope, not like in a holier than thou, better than me way, but just no, he loves me that right much. If he gives you that gift, accept it right.
SPEAKER_02And the other thing too is he wants it for all of us, yeah. It's not that he's just picked you or just picked you. Exactly. And that's what she but you unwrapped the gift, yes.
SPEAKER_00These people with the unwrapped gift sitting right in front of us staring at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and that to me, David's probably the best a good picture of that too. Like, that's what he was saying. He was like, I'm not holding that. Yeah, I know who I am to you. That's right. And I'm gonna live that way. Yes, even when I do mess up and I kind of go off on this road, I bashiva's over here. See this beautiful lady bathing on a rooftop.
SPEAKER_00Let me go down on that road, and then come back like, oh Lord. But even how he redeemed that, yeah, you know, and like redeemed her in the lineage, yeah. So it's like even the queen when we mess up, it's so much more beautiful. Like he just if you hand it over to him, like, Lord, I made a mess, like help me fix it, please. You know, he's going to Right. Fix it way better than we could have ever fixed it ourselves. Yeah. Fix the pot. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02And it also doesn't even have to be a mess. Like it can, it just has to be your everyday. Right. It doesn't even have to be this ultimate um thing of like, okay, I've done. Like it should become second nature. It should become a thing that you, and that's ultimately what we're talking about. And like that's what David realized. Like, okay, today was not so good. Let me bring it back to you. Like, it should be that daily thing. And that's where it starts in the secret place ultimately. Like, and that's what I love about Psalms 139. How many Psalms did he write to get to this point? Yeah. To have to be like, all right, Lord, I've figured out this is what you're saying about me. And um it's not good. It's it's I what what I am is not good, but you see me better than this. So help me see me better than the design for me is better. Yeah, like I know you've got a bigger purpose here, but I'm just not seeing it all the way. So, you know, he's like, I keep messing up, I keep going in my ways and my paths, but like take it out. I'm done, I'm done with it.
SPEAKER_03Informationally, the psalms are not in chronological order. No. And he's not the only one. Spoiler alert, you didn't know that. Definitely not. Yeah. Um, and there were other psalmists, but they're you wrote the majority of them of them.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna say, do you happen to know when Psalm 139 was wrote?
SPEAKER_03I'm sure that's they're all different uh some are like because I like the one where he's like, kill my enemies. That's when he's stuck in the cave hiding from Saul.
SPEAKER_02My oil change one's always Psalm 151 or 51. Yeah, too. Yeah. Oh let me see.
SPEAKER_03151. No, just 51. Oh 51.
SPEAKER_02My tongue was getting tied, sorry. Yeah, it's the repentance psalm. Yes. Oh, yeah, you talked about that. We touched. It's just a good one. I have it written, and I write it multiple times. I know. Because it too says, um, in here created me a clean heart, oh God.
SPEAKER_03Which just goes to show that was that was his true right, like that's what he longed for so much. Not to be clean, but for the Lord to make him clean. Right. Like you come and fix this. Yeah, yeah. Because I can't I can't. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And and it's amazing that when you get in his word and you continue to stay in that, like he will give you um like verses, you know. And I remember probably in 2000, probably 12, 13, that he gave me Isaiah 55, 3. And um, and he says, Listen, lean in and hear me. Yeah, and I mean that's a command that he's asking for me to listen and get in and hear him. And then he says, I'll give you the sure mercies of David. And um, that was big to me. And then it would took me to Psalms 51, right? Um and and to receive that, right? So he's given you a commands and promises at the same time, right? And that we receive them.
SPEAKER_03That's one of my highlighted actual verses is Psalm 51, 16. You do not mind's NLT, so you do not desire a sacrifice, or I would offer one. You do not want a burn offering. The sacrifice you desire is a broken spirit. You will not reject a broken and repentant heart. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Because he wants to be the one to fix it. Yeah. Right.
SPEAKER_03Which is you, which is exactly what we do because the world is so tangible. So we put in that broken spot money or a husband or children or a vehicle, a house, anything, anything, anything, and it's just so much, I don't want to say easier, but it's simpler to fill it with things of this world, and that's Satan's like, yes, all temporary.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna say it doesn't last, and that's the problem, and I think that's where we see a lot of that's why we see so much brokenness in this world, is because people are trying to fill that that hole with surface level things.
SPEAKER_03Well, and then what happens when you do fill it with a husband, right? And it'll be good for you know a little bit. Maybe a little while, yeah. And then when that doesn't do it, then you don't like that thing, right? You're like, well, it you didn't fix it, right? Right.
SPEAKER_04Children, a house, a car, less than two, less than two weeks, less than two years. Yeah it takes. Yeah, it doesn't forget. And then you're getting mad for something else.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and then you get mad and you're like, well, I thought that was it. Yeah, and then you start to just put it in the wrong spot. Right. It has a spot, but not that spot. That's my spot. Right. So true.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. So I I I mean, I don't know how if if we're about ready to finish up with this or what else you got, but we're a black face in there.
SPEAKER_03Professor says when we go.
SPEAKER_04Um actually, I'd like um Tony, when you read Psalms um 23, 3. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Can't even see where my three starts. It's so marked up in here. Yeah, right. Three.
SPEAKER_04Right. And so that's when you know it goes back to him, right? That um all that he's doing goes back to him for his name's sake. Um and uh even whenever I've been studying the um the Lord's Prayer at the beginning of that um um that part of it, hallowed be your name. And um I'm I remember like stopping one day and just go, wait a minute, hallowed be your name, right? So then then that takes me into another deep dive, right? Let's go into you know his names. And that's what he's saying, that whatever you have going on in your life, I am that. Yeah, I am that, right? I'm your healer, I'm your provider, I'm your peace, I'm your banner, I'm your righteousness. All of that, he's saying I have all of that in my name.
SPEAKER_03If you seek me, yeah.
SPEAKER_04So good. And so, like I said, that goes back to that constant state of transformation that that we're going on because he's restoring your soul, right? And your soul is not your spirit, right? Your soul is your mind, will, and emotions, right? That he's going to restore those, that he's going to lead you in the paths of righteousness, right? But um, what is right where where you're in right standing with him because that's who he is, but he's restoring you because that is who he is, he's your armor, and that is all of him, right? Even then you go look at the armor, the armored garden, right? You think about all of those things how this all started, right? It's all about that armor. We are nothing without him. So when we put on the armor every day, that's also our part, is to put that on that daily thing that happens that we put it on, and then we're to pray, and we're praying in the spirit. Um, because the armor without praying is nothing. Yeah. Amen. Got big gaps.
SPEAKER_03Yes, yes, yes. And no turtle can fix that, no other enemy or no other friends can fix that.
SPEAKER_00Yes. And I I think we've talked about this before on here, but if you don't know the different names of God, like Alma Cindy was saying, like that's a deep. That is if you want, if you're like, oh, this is like I need that is a great place to start. Um, because you can, you can call he's all of them at the same time. But when you call on that one specifically that you need in that day, and you pray specifically for that name to restore you and to lead you into the path of righteousness. Yeah. But if you don't know him, you can't call on him.
SPEAKER_03Right. Yeah. And it's like you've like you've said to us and other Bible studies and all that. When you start doing that and start researching that, that just opens your eyes to, like Tonya said, he's all those things. Like every one of those things. Like you one might identify with you a little bit more. I was gonna ask you if you have one name that you just like love, but I'm sure there's many.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it it'll start out with whatever whenever you're whenever you're in a need and you're really calling out for him. Like people most people come to God when they have something that usually tragic has happened. Right. Right. So, um, so the thing that comes to mind is healer, right? That's uh Jehovah Rapha.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_04That that's the first thing that you come because you may have to know him as Jehovah Rapha before you can know him as Elohim. Yeah, right. Um, so those different times of um how you're getting to know him, then he'll let the other side know in him. Right. You know, I'm now I know him as Jehovah Jar, that he's my provider, yeah, right. Um, in so many different things. Everything I have is his first. He just gives me the opportunity to steward it. Right. Right. And um, so but it just depends. I think how you come to him is how you will get to know him first.
SPEAKER_03One that I like right now is Elroy, and I think it's from when we we were studying Women in the Bible, and I just love that because I think as women, as moms, as wives, that's something that we crave is to be seen. Like we just want to be and to know that we matter. We know that we matter, but to know that we matter, and that comes from how our husbands, you know, kind of interact with us, how our children treat us, those things. But then when you realize you are seen, yeah, always right. Like Hagar was hiding in the wilderness and did not belong there, and she didn't even worship the Lord. No, and so when he comes and exp like experience, like comes into her heart, yes, and he's like, I'm here. Yeah, and she's like, Oh my god, you do see me. Like, I've heard your name, and that's the thing. She's around Abraham and all these people who he talk about him, who Abraham seen him, sat with him, Sarah has seen with Sarah with angels and all this stuff, and she's like, But me, you see, you say me. See me, I'm back there. You see me. Yeah, that's I just love that. That you got one? Jira's probably one of your yeah.
SPEAKER_00I mean, like Miss Cindy talking about, and I've probably said it on here before, but um, you know, and even like I feel like I've talked about it when I gave like our testimony for this season of our life, but like weeks before we had Ace, like the Lord was just unveiling, like I couldn't see it then, but looking back, I seen so many ways that he was preparing my spirit for what was about to happen. And that's when we first started singing, it was the first time I heard it anyway, and I'm at church most Sundays was Yahweh Will Manifest. And that kind of opened up me and Chris to both like ask, like, well, I know those names are the names of the Lord, but like what do they really mean? And he started studying them really, not even me. And he was kind of would talk about it to me. Um, and that was maybe a month before I had Ace. And then um going in for my C-section, they asked me, you know, what music do you what do you want to listen to? Like they would put on Pandora and his middle name was Maverick. So I'm like, you know, Maverick City music on Pandora. At first I'm like, just anything, any worship music. I'm like, no, like do Maverick City music, Pandora Station. And that's when Gyra popped up. Um and just like listening to the words of that song, how like you will never be more like I know it's not about the song, it's about the name, but like you're never be more loved than you am right now. And like the depths of Sheol, as Psalms 139 says, but like he was the last words I heard before I held my baby not breathing was you'll never be more loved than you are right now.
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SPEAKER_00And just knowing, like I'm going to like gyra, you are enough. You're I am going to provide for you through a season that you feel like nobody can. And that was truly like the transformative moment of my relationship with him. Yeah. Was that song, that name. Right. I wear it on my wrist every day. Gyra. Yeah. Yeah. And it's transformed from them now. Right. You know, I mean, he, but that some days I've needed Rafa, some days I've needed Jehovah Nisi, my banner, some days I've needed different names, but it's just as a remembrance of like he brings still providing every day differently.
SPEAKER_04Right. And think about that as a father, right? That and you as a mother, like providing for your children on a daily basis, right? You you know certain days they need other things more than they need something else. And that he's doing and he's so he's telling us in that in the Lord's Prayer that from the same exact thing, our father who art in heaven. Right. Hallowed be your name, right? So he's already telling you, I'm that's why you know this is about him, right? That your Bible's about him, right? But he is giving it to you too because you are his. And it and it just kind of gets it's the it's the intimate relationship that starts to form, right? You know, um, you think about each one of your kids, they all have an intimate relationship with you. You know, that's gonna change over time, you know, as they get older, but our relationship with God will only grow stronger as we continue to get to know him more. And so I, you know, I encourage every person who's listening, right? That if you don't know who he is, invest in a book that talks about his names, right? And read it. There's lots. There's so many different ones. We have like we we have a 52-week devotional on his names. Yeah, you know, I mean, so you know, if if that's where you have to start, you don't have to know everything right now. It is a lifetime of learning about who he is, yeah, who he's created you to be, and for you to be able to walk in that in that set apart mindset.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. It's about the stamina, not the not the burst of energy.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And we will continue to know even when we get to heaven, right? Absolutely. So if you don't, you got to see yourself as to be a student. Right. For now and forevermore, right? Yeah. Because if the holy angels are singing holy, holy every time they see him, they're still learning. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, in the Bible study we just finished, um, we went through matchless by Angie Smith. Smith, right? I always get her melt lost in computer. I don't know why. Right. I always did white. Why do I want to do that? I don't know. Um, but in the beginning, she of the study, like to just kind of flip everything you thought you knew on its face to kind of get you ready to just know, like, there's always more. Right. Um, she said, like Jesus spent nine tenths of his life as a student, not a teacher. Right. So if he came to this world to learn, even though he knew it all, but as a student mindset, I think it's like the posture of a student. Right. Because obviously he knew.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, then why are we any better than that? We're not. Why should we be students? Sorry, but we're not. That's right. We are 100% always a student. And that's why, like, Phil's like at first, like awkwardly stepping out, like, I'm no better than anyone else, to do this or to lead a Bible study, but it's not leading anything, it's just learning beside each other. Yes. It's all that this is that anything you do is when you see a leader, and I think that might be where some like, you know, like, how dare this person do that when they're in this leadership role, which it does, but everyone's just a student, and we're just learning side by side to each other. When you start putting people on different pedestals, that's where things get messy. Yeah. I feel like that's right.
SPEAKER_02Well, that's what I love about this too, is like it does not matter like where each of us is at, because we can all learn something from each other. And like I think he, and we were talking about that earlier, like, even with different personalities, like different, we're all created in his image, but differently, right? And that's because you're gonna get something different than you're gonna get like we're all gonna get something, but then if you bring it together as a whole, yeah. How beautiful the pie.
SPEAKER_03Well, and keeping it I love a good pie, too.
SPEAKER_02I know Sonny does that just for you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, keeping learning style. Anytime food can be added, yeah, it's good. And I think like David is a great example of that student mindset, but yet known when he's called to do something, he does it. But how private his relationship was exactly like you said, like he's a great example, and not he's the only example, there's many, but he's just a good example of I'm willing to be your student forever to be molded by you, but yet there's private parts of it that no one really should know. Right. That there's pieces, like I'm sure we probably never understand how much and what happens in your private study time, even though we're kind of privy to your study time because you share it with us, but we can't even understand a quarter of what well.
SPEAKER_04I think that even the revelation that he gives that I can't even express, yeah, right. That happens.
SPEAKER_03Sometimes for you, yeah, it's just for me, right?
SPEAKER_04Just for me. And it's like my knower knows, but my knower can't express it verbally, you know, right? So but it's it's good.
SPEAKER_03And to be willing to do that, to be, I'm willing to be a student. Um, because even like in a classroom, I mean you've probably trained I don't know how many people in your lifetime of your job, but even in that, like to be willing to be a student, because not everybody is. No, right, and then when you've like make that flip of okay, that's this is the purpose. Like I have other purposes, but the purpose really is to let to know him, to learn him, and to be willing to be that student like that. I think David does a cool picture of that. He was like, Oh Lord, I'm back again. Teach me something new, right? Yes, um, and that's to me what that 139 is like. Like, here's all the good, good parts of my heart, but here's kind of the dirty parts too. Yeah, like right, and you're okay with me bringing those.
SPEAKER_04And he is, right?
SPEAKER_00And he wants you to.
SPEAKER_04Yes, he does.
SPEAKER_00It sounds like a big thing to ask of the Lord, but it's really not because he already knows it. He already knows it. And he doesn't sit there and say either, like, oh, Cindy.
SPEAKER_02I know, yeah, I know, and not like in a our opposite guy does, but not surprised or in condemning, right?
SPEAKER_03More like, I know sweet girl.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_03I feel like that's how he talks to me. I know sweet girl.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm like, I know. And I tell you the other thing that he's kind of like really showed me in these different studies is that um that he knows you in your original state. And that's what he's telling you in Psalms 139, right? That's what I'm saying. I knew you before you were a substance in your mother's womb. That's how, you know, like so. I knew you in the original state of how you were created. Unfortunately, you get to be born in the flesh, and when you're not born in the flesh, you're born into sin. That's just all part of it, right? You have to be born again, you know. But just just that that part of it is that he is in the constant state of restoring us to that original, and we won't be that way until we are back in, you know, back in heaven, right? That um, but you know, we talked about that the other night about how that when they saw Jesus in the after his resurrection and they didn't recognize him because he was he was in the purest form of how he was originally created, right? And they didn't recognize that. Well, the same thing will happen to us, right? So when it says that people recognize people in heaven, because they're all back into the original state of how they were formed.
SPEAKER_02There's heaven again. Yeah, because I love that in verse 13 it says, You formed me it, you formed my inward parts, you covered me in my mother's womb. And then it leads into, you know, I'll praise you for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. I love that part because I know that we've kind of talked about this, and especially with how many kiddos we have running around here and how many times we've all been pregnant, but and the fact that even that secret place, so going back to that starts in your mother's womb because he's in there with you. Like he is knitting you together, forming you in your mother's womb, and like he is that's such an intimate situation, and like think about all the detailing and all of the you know things that we cannot even wrap our head around on how that process even works and the fact that he's there, yeah. Right. And so when we talk about those omni-characteristics, omnipresent meaning he is everywhere, omniscent meaning he knows our every thought, right? Like he is all knowing.
SPEAKER_04Um even if you're not in the state of of the mother uh walking with Jesus, that the same thing that's happening, yeah, but that there is um that he is all-knowing and that he sees that happening, and there it may be a time later in your life that he has to restore some things that happened during that time. Right, yeah, right. Yeah, I think the same thing for David. If you actually go and read about David, it was the same way because he was born out of wedlock. Wedlock, yeah, yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And his mother and him would have been shamed back then. Yes. So you know, he was born into that. So to take that, and especially then he goes and leads into the life of being a shepherd who were also considered very unclean people, lowly, you know, lowly, yeah, not you know, not the greatest, uh, not the highest of society. And so like the Lord walks him, walks him through these things, like takes him from the bottom, right? And literally leads him to the top. And such such an amazing depiction there of like transformation and restoration. Absolutely, yeah.
SPEAKER_03You could probably study him for years upon us.
SPEAKER_04I have a feeling that's what I'll be doing.
SPEAKER_03Because I even just had a thought on like which is a total of the rabble hole, and like how interesting too for him to see Saul intimately, like to see the version of what could be, yes, but that I would not want to do that, and then like knowing that he has to stay so close to the Lord. Yes, because you could just be like Saul, truthfully. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, oh my gosh, how interesting that he got to visibly witness it. Yes, right, not like hear about it from the outside, like got to see it. Yeah, was in and could see what he could be. Like, oh no, oh no, I'll stay like I'm 139, read 139.
SPEAKER_02Sorry, I was gonna say, I wonder if that even helped. That might have helped him come to such a place.
SPEAKER_03That's what I was thinking. Like, that's what immediately I thought, oh my goodness, but that's a whole nother rabbit hole, which again, you could for years. Upon years. Upon years. Yeah. I mean, Psalm does have a lot of verses. It does. Yes. Yes. I feel like that's where I'm supposed to go next to is study Psalms. I'm like, wow, that's um that's a lot. That's a lot of verses.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and it takes a lot. I mean, if you really want to, I mean, we studied Psalms um 119. I think we were like in it for 13 or 14 months, you know, um, on our ladies' study on Sunday mornings, you know. But wow, what I learned. Yeah, what I learned. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So any last. No, I just say continue to keep digging in, right? Um never end. Right. And when he gives you those life experiences and he kind of takes those life experiences and turns them into um, you know, something that that you understand. And I and I'll give you a couple little examples, right? That um whenever we were growing up, uh, we used to go to the beach a lot. And my mom loved being at the beach. And um, and um, you know, I've told it before even at the conferences and stuff too. But um, I would never do it now, but gosh. We used to get on those little rafts. We were little too back then, you know, we weren't very big, but um, on those little rafts, and we would just float out past the pier at Fort Myers Beach. I mean, we used to do that all the time. And and so he brought that to my mind was is that uh that things that I understood, and he said, You treat my word like you were floating at the beach on the top, it's just surface level. You gotta start diving deep, right? And he said, There's gonna be some scary things. I'm gonna reveal some things to you that you're not gonna like, right? And um, but do it, and um so like I related to that, you know. Um one time um Hadley and I were at the we were at the lake and it was just me and her there. Everybody else had Daniel must have been working or whatever, and just me and her were there, and um the house that we had rented had bunk beds, and she wanted to go sleep on the bunk beds, and I'm like, oh gosh, Hadley, I don't know. So um, so she's there's two sets in there. So she's on one side and I'm on the other. Of course, she wants to sleep on the top, right? So we're both up there, and um, I don't even know how old she was. She probably wasn't maybe three or four, I don't know. And um, and so she's up there, and I'm like, well, goodness, and I get up, climb up on the other one. It feels kind of rickety, you know, and we're up there, and I'm like, I said, Well, sure, I'm glad there's her guardrails up here, right? For her and for me. So we'd been up there for probably maybe 15 minutes, and she goes, Let's go get in the big bed. So we got down, but he showed me that. He said, just like that, you have to put some guardrails up in your life, right? That um there's where your protection is when you're on when you're in those guardrails, but when you step outside of the guardrail, I mean, things can happen, yeah, right. And um, but but just be mindful of the guardrails, yeah, you know. So that I mean, if things like that happen and kind of gives you that revelation, he's giving it to you for a reason, right? Right. So we have to, like Peter, sometimes you're gonna have to experience it before you actually understand it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but that goes back to this the personal nature of it, like it's it's so intimate, and he knows you, he knows everything, everything, yes, and he's and he's just asking you to kind of come along, like come, come, come, come, come, dig, dive in, dive in, dive in. So true, yeah. Got any last thoughts? That was cool. Don't you just like we want to thank you so much for coming and growing in the garden with us today. Thank you, Aunt Cindy. I don't think this will be a regular thing, but I would love if it was a regular thing. Um, please make sure you follow us on all of our social media. We have Instagram and TikTok. We um we knew we took a little bit of a break. We had a lot going on in life. Life was life then, yeah. It's end of year for Toby. She's a lot. Madison's got a lot going on. I have a little less going on, but I'm like supporting them and what's going on. Oh, yeah. Maybe one day we'll all the independent get to know it's individually. But we just needed a little bit of a break, but we also hope that in that break that it's not about us, it's about you. And maybe you went back and watched or or waiting, and we appreciate you supporting and coming and subscribing and doing all those things. If you aren't subscribed, please click that like and follow button on the bottom so that you can get your Wednesday alert for the episodes when they come. We're back on we're back on track now, too. We're rolling into summer, so it's a little different of a schedule for us all. We want to thank you so much for coming for this special episode. I feel like we should call these like master classes or something. Not that you're the master, but you're teaching us the master. Yeah. Because it is really honestly beautiful to um just see someone like, and this is not like to puff you up or anything, but you just love him so deeply. Yes. And I know that you know him so deeply because I do remember an older version. Yeah. Not that that was terrible offer either, but like you said, when you put him in that right spot and spirit of his starts, yeah, I mean, it's so tangible. And anyone that spends any time with you is like, dang, she just loves him.
SPEAKER_00Well, and he calls us to disciple others, right? So, I mean, like, find a church where you can get under some people to help disciple you, right? Because I think that's something so beautiful that we have here, that there's so many people who are in a you know, it's a it's a process in a way further process who are willing to come alongside of you and help keep your feet moving for sure.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, right.
SPEAKER_03And that's I think you've even like another time for another thing. That's kind of you feel like you said the newer season for you. It is, and I'm excited about that personally. Yeah, but we do want to thank you so much. You're welcome. Definitely out of your comfort zone, so I appreciate it. Yeah, you just got a little peek into like what our Bible studies are like this is so cool. But thank you so much for coming. We hope you come back next Wednesday. Oh, you want to read numbers? Yeah, yeah. I didn't forget this time. Lindsay's like, thumbs up in the back.
SPEAKER_00Number six. The Lord bless you and keep you, the Lord make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you, the Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace. See ya. Amen.
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