SO WHERE IS SAFE IN NIGERIA FT MAY 11

Join us in this amazing episode with may 11 ft our Audience as we discuss where exactly is safe in nigeria? As we discuss the continuous insecurity in nigeria.  Tune in to listen to the people 

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SPEAKER_08 0:31

Aloja. Hello, my city people. Welcome to another episode of the Capital City podcast on Repower 100.5 Fm. My name is Anit Anisa Sharif, and I'm your host, as per usual, today. So today is a special day because if you are born in June, come on. Adams, welcome to the best month of the year. June is my favorite month because obviously it is my birth month, and being my birth month, I have lots and loads and loads of amazing conversations, engaging conversations, and of course, well-entertained conversations. So today we're keeping it cool, we're not taking it too seriously. The topic for today is so, where is safe in Nigeria? So sit back, relax, because I have an awesome guest in the studio to join me on this gist. Because we need to rant. This is a ranting episode. So sit back, relax, and enjoy the gist. I'll be right back. And who else will I have in the studio to join me in this rant other than Mr. May Eleven?

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Alright, I think it's the first time I'm on this show. Have you? Yes. Because most times I'm engaged in something. But you know what? Let's let's not make it about me. Let's just go straight into what is going on. Where are they?

SPEAKER_08 2:26

Yes, sir. Where is safe in Nigeria?

SPEAKER_00 2:29

Okay. Where is safe in Nigeria?

SPEAKER_08 2:30

Where exactly?

SPEAKER_00 2:31

Jokingly or some um sarcastically, somebody will say Asorok.

SPEAKER_08 2:35

Because it seems like the only safe place in Nigeria.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Well, how safe is it? Remember at a certain time where the brigade guard they said something about them to being dumb.

SPEAKER_08 2:43

You see, me, if they were accredited to me, can I come with my family there? Because the conversation for today, firstly, is the Oyo school abduction. So, for those that are not aware with what is happening, this is a summary of what's going on. So, concerns continue to grow over the abduction of students and teachers from schools in Oyuri local government area of Oyo State. The attack, which occurred in May, reportedly involved armed men who invaded multiple schools, multiple schools, abducting dozens of people and staff members. Security agencies have launched rescue operations, while state authorities have urged the public to avoid spreading unverified information as efforts to secure the victims' release continue. I'm so upset with the word effort.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

Yes, that effort looks like it might come through, I mean it might not come through.

SPEAKER_08 3:34

What is effort? We're talking about school children who innocently went to school and pupils or teachers who innocently went for their job. So, where exactly are you safe in Nigeria? The other time there was an issue on social media with the doctors over EFCC invading um the hospital in Uyo. A lot of doctors came around, like they were in the hospital, and all of a sudden tear gas or whatsoever happened.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

There was another one that happened. I think that one had to do with immigration officers, or is it custom that went into a church? You see, so you see, different things are just happening, and you're wondering like, is this crime looking different direction?

SPEAKER_08 4:07

People in the northern states are in their homes and in their villages, they're still going there to go and carry them. So, where exactly is safe in Nigeria?

SPEAKER_00 4:14

I think we should start asking questions like this to um our security architecture. Hi, yeah, the security architecture of Nigeria. So, Mr.

SPEAKER_08 4:22

May this place is not safe like this.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

Well, for now, we have people who call who are called security outside. But the question is the question is no, if if you know sometimes the whole thing has to do with when somebody has made a bold move, there's a bold move on security, clamp down. But when the move looks like okay, it's a story, or you're not too sure about the story, or we find out a story comes down, somebody comes and says, But this person's name had already been called a long time ago. Why are they calling it now? That's why I the narrative where people come out and say everybody feels like I am sending information out there online is very terrible. I woke up this morning and somebody was telling me some gory pictures, telling me this one happened to those kids, this one happened, and I was like, Where did you get your information from? Because the bad persons are also orchestrating things, they'll be like, Okay, there is the group. It's like it's like it's like an army workshop, right? The militia, let's say, they have the group that what they do is normally do the kidnapping. They are still the ones that are very learned, who understand IT, who know how to walk phones. That's how most times you get these things out there. Now, these ones will sit back and be like, Okay, you know what? Let's go scare us. Let's go and create something with maybe AI or something. Let's bring out something that just scares everybody. Now we know that people are very gullible, so when we'll bring it out, somebody else will pick something and not verify the information. And imagine if I was going to listen to that, that person put fear in me from waking up early in the morning.

SPEAKER_08 5:44

That hope I have like now we're like chickens now, any smart thing now, they can just frighten us.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

But the hope you have for you to find these kids, somebody now dashes it away because it's not everybody, let's say those who are in rural environments that don't even know about AI. Yeah, they will possibly be spreading the story. Yeah, and the person that sent it told me I don't go out again. And I was like, So that means you don't make your daily bread no more.

SPEAKER_08 6:05

He can't even stay, even his house is not safe. That's the talk. That's the issue.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

I don't know. Maybe the person's house because it's a safe, it's a safe haven because the person is like I don't go out again.

SPEAKER_08 6:14

Because I won't stop because it's not in Abuja recently that there has been some issues of like arm robbery now, silent arm robbery, especially in the outskirts of Abuja or kidnappings around. I mean we've all even experienced it with personality with somebody that we know. So if indeed it's supposed to be safe, where is really safe in Nigeria?

SPEAKER_00 6:32

That's the thing. It's a long question, but the question the thing is this can somebody answer us, please.

SPEAKER_08 6:39

So the number to call in to join the conversation, where is safe in Nigeria is 080-5632-6499. I go again 0805682-6499. Again, 080 5682-6499. Where exactly is safe in Nigeria? This is a ranting episode, and we're all here to just rant and state our opinion. So, Mr. May, you were saying, Yeah, how would you how do you feel right now being a citizen of this country?

SPEAKER_00 7:14

Well, this are tough times, you understand. I I look at things from an angle like maybe the the the the way things are being run, I don't like, but it doesn't mean I don't like my country. Yeah, I just feel like hey, we can do better. I feel like you can be more accountable for everything, you can be more accountable for who moved here, who moved there. And I know there are other people who I feel they can still call them into a closed door meeting to discuss security.

SPEAKER_08 7:39

So we have a caller. Hello, good evening. Okay, okay, I think he's still on the call. Okay, we lost our call. Please go on.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

Okay, so I feel we can still call other people. There are other stakeholders that can come in. We know many people in past history of military in this country who are good. Yeah, we know many people. There's somebody I used to say that if they'd asked me that choose somebody as NSA, I'll choose the person. And they said why. I said that man delivered he displayed what you call military action during his time as a military person. So you know, you look at things like that, you now say, Okay, let's start calling all these people. Look at uh the past uh chief of army staff, he can come into that table. All these people can come together and say, Okay, how are we doing it? Because now they're talking about they're going to raise forest guards, right? 1,000 forest guards.

SPEAKER_08 8:27

Let's go. So it's like let's go, let's go.

SPEAKER_00 8:29

It's like you're starting something else again with our catapult and stone.

SPEAKER_08 8:33

Let's go.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

And these people are bringing some kind of Kalashin calls that you're seeing something that you maybe you've never even seen before. It's from them you're seeing it first. So, how do you start with somebody who can put a gun on rapid shooting and you're trying to get the person with a dang gun?

SPEAKER_08 8:46

God, that's what that's that's really a question mark.

SPEAKER_00 8:50

Then you look away at somebody else now and tell you you're not supposed to keep firearms. Maybe so it's confusing. Another confusing part is when we allow these people to reach the point whereby they are even having our military personnel uniforms. So you're thinking, how do I go out? I might be traveling now, and then I see a bunch of people on the road dressed in security outfits, then I'll be thinking, Should I be scared or should I feel safe?

SPEAKER_08 9:17

That's very true. Because you can't really even differentiate because there was an issue, I'm sure, some months ago, somewhere online, that we had uh fake men that dressed up as fake um arms men, they like fake soldiers, and the soldiers caught them and they were beating them up. But the truth is that if you don't know, you think they are real soldiers, and that's also like a tactic that we use.

SPEAKER_00 9:36

I have I think I've uh witnessed impersonation happen a lot, especially when I my since my stay in Abuja, where you and sometimes you meet everybody, everybody just tells you, I am a this, I am a dad. Somebody else told me he was calling everybody bloody civilian, and when I asked, he just said he didn't dear only time I want that means just it one year. So, how can you just go? Imagine that kind of person that might be somewhere intimidating people, shouting at somebody.

SPEAKER_08 10:01

That's why you didn't make it.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

Then another person just come and say, I shave clean. Since I shaved my beard and I don't have beards, and I move and I'm maybe well built, I'll not start moving around and telling people do you know who I am? Um this, I'm that, I'm SARS, and those things too are new problems. Now they start using that thing. Terrorism is not just by those in the bush alone. There's always somebody who terrorize a community. Yes, now there are some people that terrorize their friends, even their family.

SPEAKER_08 10:24

There are people that terrorizing their family, there are people that really terrorize their family, and that's how it starts. You know, another solution to be honest, where people are there are a lot of unemployed Nigerians, a lot of um ambitious and patriotic Nigerians are like, hey, if people don't want to do it, which we want to do it. You see community boys now coming out saying, okay, if the soldiers or the police won't do their work, we're going to protect them. There are a lot of people that are willing to join the forces to join the hands, but you will not be hearing things like there's not a love slot, there's not a love slot, there's not enough slot. Because it's very clear that the citizens that are safe are obviously more in number than the so-called armsmen auditories or so whatsoever. So it can really be managed, it was looked into that regard. But you now be wondering why are all these things not being put in place. For example, now, even if they're saying oh they cannot find them, and sometimes there are rumors that these um kidnappers um go on TikTok live and stuff like that, so they can easily be tracked with all the sophisticated technology technology that Nigeria has. So if you can insult somebody, even ordinary when they steal your phone now, the first thing in your mind is let me track my phone. Even you as animal citizen, if you can think of that, what will happen to our entire security system? So that's why, even if they can't do it, there are some really nice hot Yahoo boys or hackers in prison.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

You can bring these people back and use use them for tracking. Okay, because when you say that most of these boys, most of these boys, most of these boys that they caught for for for internet fraud, most of them were tracked by IP address that they were using on their phone, the internet they were using the internet space. So if these people can post these things, that means they should have an IP address they are also using.

SPEAKER_08 11:55

What?

SPEAKER_00 11:55

So the IP address should be able to direct you to okay, where did this thing happen? Where did this post? What was it posted? Because they are the ones who post, they might not be the ones who go for the kidnapping, but this thing is like there is a department, a department of people whose work is to post, whose work is to make sure this thing they post go viral.

SPEAKER_08 12:13

And no matter how sophisticated that technology is, is it really up to a whole nation's security technology? Somebody should please answer us. The number is 080 56826499. I go again 080 56826499. Our last caller should please call in again as we lost their call.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

Something else just struck my my my my thinking. You said something you said when these young guys in the area go to say, Okay, I want to also join the security force, even if it is the local, yeah, to help police state policing, however you call it. Do they now say there's no enough slot? Let's look at the what can we do? Look at the top nations in the world, those that call okay.

SPEAKER_08 12:59

Hello, good evening. Please say that again.

SPEAKER_06 13:07

My name is Joseph.

SPEAKER_08 13:09

Hi, Mr. Joseph. Thank you, sir. Yes, thank you, sir. Thank you. I don't get it too, sir.

SPEAKER_06 14:32

I think uh we need to have it. We never have to like honestly.

SPEAKER_08 14:38

So we'll keep praying because that's a Nigerian thing to say, because at the end of the day, what exactly can we do? But sir, if you can answer our question, where exactly is safe in Nigeria?

SPEAKER_06 15:01

Because when you see them going out, you see they will stop, they will stop vehicles on the road and they will almost an hour and they will pass almost having thousands of uh battalion.

SPEAKER_08 15:18

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 15:20

What are happening at the lead they can do more and they can do better?

SPEAKER_08 15:24

I agree with you, sir, because it's really a sad time in the local government or real local government area in of Uyo, but at least we're happy to see a lot of people standing up, such as people like you. So, thank you so much for calling, sir.

unknown 15:38

Thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_08 15:40

You see, everybody's frustrated. I was seeing different associations. I saw the Nigerian um association of the Nigerian students, they went to visit the place. Um, Nigerian Labor Congress to is uh NUT actually.

SPEAKER_00 15:52

Nut went on um a demonstration, they've been doing a protest for in Oshun Ogun and it's spreading to other neighboring states as well. But you see, uh, what like what I was trying to touch on was the greatest nations that people fear, the ones they call the top five. What do they have more? When they're measuring them, they measure them by their military. Here they will be like these ones have so so thousands million. So, why would we not also start thinking? Because we are like a very high population in Africa. I think we should be the highest population in Africa, which means we can have enough food soldiers. Yes, not saying there isn't enough slots.

SPEAKER_08 16:31

Yeah, I know you'll be in the front.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

If I could get a media communicator, it's not bad. But there should be enough food soldier, we shouldn't say we can't give, yeah. Okay, yeah, maybe the only thing you're looking at is character, yeah, and that's why even your university they they give you a certificate and it's written that you have graduated and they always state something about character. So maybe the character they think everybody will come will be bad. Yeah, but there's a time whereby everybody understands that look, these people, some of them we don't know them, yeah. Some of them, maybe they are migrants, they come and they know how to cause chaos. They are very at they are very practical about causing chaos, so they can decide to do something and make the narrative shift into a religious crisis, into a um boundary dispute. Yeah, they'll keep making the narrative shift because you that don't know these people are not asking questions. That's why they said uh there's one song we used to sing back in the days. They'll say, Who are the people in your neighborhood? Well, you say the people that you see each day. So you have to understand who you see in your area every day. Yeah, if you're passing through bush sides, who do you see in the bush sides when you're passing every time? But when you're not taking note of these things, too, because it's when you see something, you see something. So when you start noticing there is a colony of people who are beginning to leave, that's why I don't I always move around and circle around. I'm like, I don't like those houses that are not finished, yeah, or those uncompleted that you now see somebody hits wood and is living. Sorry for those who don't have home, it's not like I'm trying to say you should be homeless, but we're in a time whereby we need to really think who is inside where and what is the person doing there. Is the person living there, dealing drugs there, dealing arms there, hiding some set of people there, and the owner of the house? How far?

SPEAKER_08 18:19

These are all valid questions. The next one that I have is in security and school safety. So let me read this up. Following recent school attacks in parts of the country, education stakeholders and parents are calling for stronger security measures to protect students and teachers. The incidents have ignited discussions on school safety, emergency, preparedness, and the need for closer collaboration between communities and security agencies. Like, do you even want to imagine? Not even like can you do you even want to imagine what the parents are going through right now?

SPEAKER_00 18:48

The parents are going through a lot, but I feel what we talked about this thing's morning. I was like, this is not the first time something like this has happened. So, why are we saying to strengthen security? It started with the Chibo girl. So, since that time, they are supposed to understand that security has to be in schools. And I know I saw there was time I saw uh a truck that was written something that has to do with um school security. It's I think it's an arm under SARS or so. And I was like, they have something like this. You're trying to do a special division that can just secure safety for schools. Now, imagine first is curtailing the number of schools people have, so you don't just keep opening anything at school, curtailing the number of schools we have, then making sure you can deploy people there. I mean, we have the civil defense, we have the police, we have to do that.

SPEAKER_08 19:37

See a lot, like a lot of like if they are saying okay, the Nigerian army is too, it has a limited slot, navy, all these other ones they have limited slots. We all have the vigilantes now, the whole hunters now. They can even do new ones like the SARS and if not the SARS, what are they um called now? Um, we also have like this new school tax box we are talking about. They can also have the ones for public places like churches, marks, and markets and all of that. That is so much that can be done, and so much can be created, and a lot of jobs can be created in this because sometimes they said they say that bad thing or something chaotic has to actually happen before a solution can come out and actually protect a situation like this. Okay, but it does become a problem when it keeps happening, like you said, and nothing has been no lesson has been learned.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

The story will be told, then the story will pass. I know when it first happened, the first story we heard was um we say hearing about state policing, they will say this state wants to do it, this state refused, this state wants to do their own, their own is beginning to look like it is religious based. This one, so all these things now just become like nation, nobody's putting the nation first. It's becoming something else. They will tell you, okay, these other people did their own, but it became tribalistic. They started harming people who are not their tribe or not their state people. So that too comes in. But it's for us to now ask how do we go about handling this thing? How do we go about making sure everybody that's involved in this process or is involved in this security outfit is going to work with discipline and character.

SPEAKER_08 21:01

Please, our listeners, if you have any contribution or question to join or tips to advise or consult ourselves, please call the number 080-5682-6499. Again, the number is 08056826499. 080 56826499. So honestly, like you were saying, sir, like if there's no way safe in Nigeria, parents cannot really be safe taking their children. Parents can no longer go to a religious place to go and pray, they can no longer go to the market to go and shop, they can't be going to their village again for Christmas or Salah because you don't know what will happen. So, what do we actually do?

SPEAKER_00 21:51

The thing is not about where they cannot go. You cannot feel free in your own house, your house will no more be a home.

SPEAKER_08 21:57

Hello, good evening. Yeah, hello, good evening. Yes, please, your name and where you're calling from. Okay, we'll lost that caller. Please call back. Please go and say, What are you saying?

SPEAKER_00 22:13

So even inside your own house. So it's not about going out too. Because I would have said, hey, maybe it's high time Nigerians to start thinking about homeschooling.

SPEAKER_08 22:22

Abby?

SPEAKER_00 22:23

But what if you're in your house and they pick you inside your house again?

SPEAKER_08 22:26

No and they're not going to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Because there was one I heard that was funny. They said it was the man that kid, not his August two kids. One was I forgotten the other person's. But I was wondering, like, okay, so now it's it could even be your own staff. That looked at me and be like, ah, Ogazmo knew he would not talk to one of his friends.

SPEAKER_08 22:46

Okay, they are going to send me to take this children out tomorrow when I take the I think there was one I saw on social media that somebody actually planned his um kidnapping to scam his family.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

See what it is becoming, but that's what we said character.

SPEAKER_08 22:56

Because people are talking about how oh that is the an industry they are saying is it unemployment that is causing this? Is it okay? We have a caller. Hello, good evening. Yes, good evening. Hello, we can hear you. Hi, your name and where you're calling from.

SPEAKER_05 23:14

My name is Ochueko Erdo.

SPEAKER_08 23:17

Nice to hear from where are you calling from?

SPEAKER_05 23:19

Um I'm calling from Juwe.

SPEAKER_08 23:22

Okay, nice to hear from you, sir. Please, what do you have to say?

SPEAKER_04 23:25

Okay, okay. Oh, this question that you are asking us now, what can we going to do? You this question, we don't know what to we don't know what to do because we are not here. There is no any other place that we'll go. We love Nigeria, and we are a citizen of Nigeria. Now our friends they say that we uh if you are not up to if you are I mean if you are more than uh 22 years old, you don't join the army, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 24:10

Come down, they don't feel joining why there's hunters, sir, the Nigerian hunters, the Nigeria army, yes, that's true. So, what would the 30 years and below do? The 30 years and above do, right? Yes, so what will you advise?

SPEAKER_04 24:35

So both of those people that are from 30, they're supposed to join army, but they know they're being one from 20 for I mean from 22 now. This is uh from 22 that they will join army, yes, and people from uh from 30 they want to join, but that age they don't pass uh it don't pass the age. Yes, no, yeah, yeah. We don't know, we we don't know yet, so we don't know, we don't know where we are going.

SPEAKER_08 25:09

Oh my brother, who know by God's grace. This is serious, it's very serious, so my brother. So that's why thank you so much for calling. You see what we're saying? Well, like that's why we need to actually start advocating for this order because it's not only the Nigerian army that exists, Nigerian hunters, the Nigerian um, which one again?

SPEAKER_00 25:32

The special the special just I think there used to be a joint tax force that made up of um immigration custom that have to do with border patrol. But what I'm I'm looking at again.

SPEAKER_08 25:43

I have another caller, and we're about to suppose we round it up. Hello, good evening. Hi, good evening.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

Good evening.

SPEAKER_08 25:56

Okay, nice to hear from you, Joy.

SPEAKER_02 25:59

Okay, I really think the insecurity in this country, like everything lies in the hands of our president, he should he should help us out. Yes, yeah. And if he can.

SPEAKER_08 26:16

Oh Joy, I wish you were able to finish that because it is the order or the special primary duty of the president to overlook the welfare and security of its citizens. So Joy is basically talking from a constitutional point of view. We have another caller. Hello, good evening. Good evening, sir.

SPEAKER_03 26:38

Good evening, ma'am.

SPEAKER_08 26:39

Your name, please, and where you're calling from my name is John.

SPEAKER_03 26:43

I'm calling from Mandela.

SPEAKER_08 26:46

You're calling from where, sorry?

SPEAKER_03 26:48

Martella, Madela. From Madela.

SPEAKER_08 26:51

Okay, thank you, sir. What's your contribution?

SPEAKER_03 26:54

My contribution is those children where they adopted me one way. Nigeria, Nigeria Army, Nigeria Force. They're supposed to know where those people see the air force, the land army.

SPEAKER_08 27:16

We do share the same sadness, Mr. May. What do you say?

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Well, I would say we hope they are on it, as they said, because we heard that investigation is ongoing.

SPEAKER_08 27:28

So, sir, if I should ask you where exactly is safe in Nigeria, what will you say?

SPEAKER_03 27:34

Anything with place we see for this Nigeria and that's all whether that man talks. I don't believe any any place we see if nobody has all any place we see.

SPEAKER_08 27:45

Thank you so much, sir. Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

But it's not it's not intriguing and fascinating that people even choose as the barracks. People don't even want to go near the barracks, they want to be touched. That means they relocated the barrack people to Asurok.

SPEAKER_08 28:02

That means no, that it means even the place is also not safe. Because it is, we're asking everybody where exactly is safe.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

Maybe that would be good for us having a I just uh I just feel the security agencies would think there is a two-year-old in that bush. A two-year-old is it's it's there are many because three schools that we're taking.

SPEAKER_08 28:23

I think Joy is calling back. Joy, if you can speak quickly, because we're running out of time. My next talk was bad, it's still me, Joy.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

Yes, please, go on. Okay, so I think if uh Mr. President cannot do anything about this whole thing, then maybe he should reach out to the US Army or the US president.

SPEAKER_08 28:42

He's like yes, they have their own issues. That person are on issues, too. And now that too.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

Yes, so he should reach out to the US President Portugal because this whole thing is no longer for you. Nowhere in the country is safe, even the astrologue that they are talking about. So it's it's still possible that anything can happen within that area, irrespective of all the securities that they have there.

SPEAKER_08 29:10

That's true. Thank you so much for your contribution, Joy. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we're running out of time. Mr. May, any last words? Where exactly is safe in in Nigeria? What do you have to say to your people to just keep them together?

SPEAKER_00 29:24

The safest place you can have in in presently as I see it is just for you to create a safe space in your own heart. Create a pure spirit for yourself, just try to make sure you have a pure spirit. And I'm not saying it's just for us listening. Even those people who are involved in this kidnapping arrest, I don't know what happened to you. I'm a psychologist, so I cannot just look at you and call you by there might be somewhere behavioral pattern changed and something went wrong. But if you can find it in your heart to find a safe place, uh a place whereby there's peace and joy.