John 16: Jesus prepares his disciples, the Holy Spirit will be with them

It is Easter weekend!  It is time to celebrate the sacrifice that God made when he sent his only son to pay the price for our sins.  We briefly discuss the shroud of Turin and how Jesus was prepping his disciples for what is to come. 

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SPEAKER_04 0:08

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SPEAKER_01 1:02

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SPEAKER_04 1:45

Which is sad because I really like that song. It's a very interesting time that we're in. It sure is. There's there's people that take their AI, whatever. They'll take like a 50 cent song or something and put it to the tune of 1950s jazz or whatever. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Yeah, there's a guy, there's a drummer on Facebook, Seth something or other. Seth drums, I think is what his Facebook thing is. And he's done, he did the Veggie Tales theme song as like dark country, which was pretty fun. Okay. And then he just like he listens to it and then he drums along, which is really cool. I mean, he he's playing the drums backup for the AI band, but yeah, it's some of that's really how'd you like to be backup to artificial intelligence?

SPEAKER_04 2:36

I I feel like I already am. Okay, welcome back, everybody. It's uh me and John here. Good morning. I'm John. I'm not John. We are on chapter 16 in the book of John. Yes. John. Yes, Kyle. Sharon. God, no.

SPEAKER_03 2:59

We're not doing that again. We're not doing that again. Okay. I do have a couple of- No, you were Karen. I was Karen. You were Sharon for Sharon.

SPEAKER_04 3:07

Yeah. Good grief. Okay, I do have some things that I want to go over before we get into John 16. Because it's Easter weekend. Yeah. Tomorrow's Good Friday. Tomorrow is a Friday that's good. I would like to speak just briefly on the shroud of Turin. Do you know what that is?

SPEAKER_01 3:26

I've heard of it. Is that isn't that like the old fabric that's got Jesus' face on it or something? It's the burial cloth of Jesus'.

SPEAKER_04 3:33

Burial, okay. Okay. Okay. Do you know who Dr. Jeremiah Johnston is? I do not. Okay. He's a PhD Bible scholar, written a bunch of books, done a bunch of teachings, whatever. He originally was a skeptic. That's just John's phone. You could ignore that.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

I was literally in the process of putting it on DND when it did that. Sorry. Dungeons and Dragons.

SPEAKER_04 4:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

If you want to go that route.

SPEAKER_04 4:02

Oh, do not disturb. I got it. Sorry, that took me a second. Oh, you really didn't know what I did. I did not know. I don't speak acronym, dude. People give ac dude, I would not have done well in the military as much as I'd like to think so. They use acronyms like it's another language. And I'd be like, what? A B C F I J what? L O L. I would be so lost. I I do not do acronyms very well. Anyway. R-O-T-F-L. Get out of here.

SPEAKER_03 4:35

You're getting me very distracted. Sorry. It was my phone. I totally apologize. Don't blame your phone.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Well, I it was my fault that I forgot to put it on D. Do not disturb. I forgot to put it on do not disturb, not D D. Okay. Yeah, moving on.

SPEAKER_04 4:54

Okay. Usa. Yeah, Usa. Anyway, he was a skeptic of the shot of turn because he's always a skeptic of relics. Okay. All right. However, I am. He is no longer a skeptic of the relic. He believes that it is 100% the burial cloth of Jesus because, in his words, he is not irrational. The reasoning is because scientifically you can match up everything that you see on the shroud with what happened to Jesus historically. Okay. Okay. Also.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

Is it the entire burial cloth?

SPEAKER_04 5:31

I thought it was just a piece of it. There's two pieces. There's the entire thing, oh, which is basically like laid down, if you think about it on a bed, it's laid down the long way and then folded over his feet to his face. Okay. And then and then there is a face cloth also. Okay. Alright. This is the whole shroud that shows his entire body. Right. Okay. Back in the late 1800s, there was a photographer, I think it was the 1800s. There was a photographer that took a picture of the shroud. Okay. Because the shroud doesn't show like the full perfect outline, blah blah blah. And when he was in the darkroom developing the negative, because of the way the shroud is, the negative turns into the positive. So you see the full picture on the actual photograph off of the shroud. It's like reversing the image. Right. Anyway, Jeremiah Johnston, based on the Hebrew calendar and Passover and what's written in the Bible, he has determined two st two dates that are likely the exact dates that Jesus was both crucified and rose from the dead. Okay. One of those dates is well, they're both April 3rd and April 5th. Okay. AD 33 or AD thirty. He think he believes it's AD 33. Okay. But April 3rd is tomorrow. Yes, it is. Good Friday. April 5th is Sunday. Right. Easter. Right. So 2,026 years or two, well, just under 2,000 years ago. Yeah, 1900 and do the math.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

Too early in the morning for that kind of four-digits math subtraction. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:24

But just under 2,000 years ago, exactly on those dates is when he believes Jesus was crucified.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 7:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

That's cool. Very cool. Anyway. You're not making any end-of-the-world predictions based on those dates. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:38

No, I just think it's kind of cool that we get to celebrate on those exact dates. For sure. So anyway, the Shroud of Turin. I believe that it is the burial cloth of Jesus based on everything that he can show. Biblic biblically blah. Biblically that, and historically, and what's on the shroud itself. Here's the cool part. I don't remember the numbers he used, but they spent years studying it. There was before the Catholic Church had it, there were some scientists that spent years studying it. And they have definitively proven that on the shroud there is no paint, no color, no ink, there is nothing that man can use to put the the picture on the shroud. Okay. To put the markings. Alright. Outside of blood, there is nothing that could have put that image there. And the blood is not making the image. The blood is on there, but that's not right. So they did some studying with lasers or something, and it was something like one one billionth of a second at six million megawatts or some crazy energy in order to put an image on linen. Okay. So I want you to picture that. In the tomb, God says Jesus rise, and in an instant there's a flash of light, and Jesus is back alive. Okay. And that's the one. And the image is on the shroud.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 9:09

Yeah. That's cool. It's very cool. Huh. So yes, sir. I think it's neat. I I'm convinced it's the it's the Shroud. Because there's nothing that really there's nothing that hasn't been asked that they haven't been able to answer. Okay. So Yeah. He's got a really cool podcast on the Live Free, or he he was recently on the Live Free podcast. He's also been on like Michael Knowles' show and Tucker Carlson and a bunch of others. But the Live Free podcast is a good one. Because he kind of goes over that. And actually, Pastor Josh, who was a skeptic, asks him. He he did not tell him what the questions were beforehand, but he asked him a bunch of like, well, what about this? And what about this question? And they were easily answered. So I thought that was cool. It is cool. Yeah. So if you get a chance to check it out, it's the Live Free podcast with Dr. Jeremiah Johnston. And it's a good time to listen to it because of Easter weekend. So they used a laser with 1.21 gigawatts. I don't remember the numbers. It was some crazy number at some crazy fraction of a second in order to put anything on the linen. Huh. I'd have to listen to it again to remember that part. That's cool. Here's the other part. Yeah. His crown of thorns, it was not a headband or a wreath. It was an actual like helmet. Ooh. Yeah. Hmm. So not what the you think?

SPEAKER_01 10:41

So they probably wrapped it onto it. It was probably somewhat green, and then they wrapped it onto his head to make a either way. It's horrible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:53

It's horrible. Yes. But but I've listened to it three times now. And just the thought of what he went through for us just, I don't know, makes me teary-eyed. And very grateful.

SPEAKER_01 11:07

100% grateful. Yeah. Yeah. I remember the first time I saw The Passion of the Christ. I couldn't finish it. I walked out and I'm like, my lord, how I take you for granted. That was like, that was the thought that ran through my head. I'm like, I take the freedom and the forgiveness that I have for granted so often because the price that he had to pay for me to have it is ugh. I I never made it to the end.

SPEAKER_04 11:38

Oh, really? You should probably give it another watch. I should. I think it's on Netflix. It's on or Prime. One of the two. Yeah, one of the two. It was hard to watch, man. It's so hard to watch.

SPEAKER_01 11:49

That's like a that's like a once a decade type of movie.

SPEAKER_04 11:53

Yeah. Maybe. It made me hurt just watching it. Yeah. So. Alright, we should probably get into the chapter in question. I think so. Chapter 16. Should we pray first?

SPEAKER_01 12:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 12:06

Alright. I'll take it away if you don't mind. Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

Dear Heavenly Father, on this Easter weekend, I want you to know that we are eternally grateful for what you have done for us.

SPEAKER_04 12:21

You sent your son to take on the sin and the weight of the world for us, so we do not have to do it. Lord, the amount of pain that he had to go through, the burden that he had to be, is unimaginable. And although we do take it for granted many times, Lord, we are eternally grateful.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

Lord, I pray that Lord, I pray that the Holy Spirit is with us today.

SPEAKER_04 12:55

I pray that you give us wisdom so that the word, your word that we read, we can relay to everyone that listens accurately and with truth. Lord, in your holy name we pray. Amen. Amen. Alright. One thing we didn't mention last week is that Jesus is done with the I am statements. We did not mention that. We did not mention that. But I did write them down if you guys care to hear. You mean there's no more I am statements through the rest of John? I don't think so. I don't know. I haven't read the rest of John. Okay. But I think he's done with them. What what makes you say that? Just a sermon I was listening to said that they were done.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

Okay. Alright. That's good enough.

SPEAKER_04 13:51

Yeah, yeah. So I just kind of I guess I took that as accurate. Sorry, I'm gonna take off my hoodie. It's hot in here. Oh, look at that. Look at my process of faith t-shirt I'm wearing. Oh, look at John's. Look at that. We both got them on. Yeah, but you have you got two handsome fellows on your shirt.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

Well, I have one, and then there's me.

SPEAKER_04 14:14

I was just okay. Yeah, we're rocking. In John 6, Jesus said, I am the bread of life. Okay. John eight, he said, I am the light of the world. In John 10, he said, I am the door, I am the good shepherd. John 11, he said, I am the resurrection and the life. In John 14, he said, I am the way and the truth and the life. And finally, last chapter, he said, I am the true vine. Obviously, there were a couple times where he said, I am, to refer to himself as God. But those are the big I am statements. So what are they? Bread, life, light, bread, light, door, shepherd, resurrection, life, truth, vine.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

Interesting. I am the way, also. And he is done with that. I did when we were when I was reading through John 16, I did notice a couple of things that he kind of buttons up, you know, before all hell breaks loose.

SPEAKER_04 15:19

Okay, before we start reading, last week I know I've said that four or five times now. Last week we did it a little a little differently. We read the whole chapter and then we went back and spoke about it. I think we're gonna do that again today. If you like that style, please tell us. If you like the old style, please tell us.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

I don't think there's a wrong or a right way. A wong or a white way.

SPEAKER_04 15:46

I think no matter which way we do it, we I didn't like it so much last week after we did it, but that's just because I had got lost. You didn't? No. Oh. But I'd like to do it again because, you know, second time's always better.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

I mean, honestly, if you take good notes than beforehand, you know, and God speaks to you while you're reading it before we record, then it it's fine. I like to read it all as one cohesive thought because that was how it was written, you know. No, we'll do that. But either way, I there's no wide or wong way. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_04 16:26

All right, John 16. I have the NLT Bible, so if you want to open it up, follow along. I have told you these things so that you won't abandon your faith, for ye will be expelled from the synagogues, and the time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing a holy service for God. This is because they have never known the Father or me. Yes, I am telling you these things now, so that when they happen, you will remember my warning. I didn't tell you earlier because I was going to be with you for a while longer. But now I am going away to the one who sent me, and not one of you is asking where I am going. Instead, you grieve because of what I've told you. But in fact, it is best for you that I go away, because if I don't, the advocate won't come. If I do go away, then I will send him to you, and when he comes he will convict the world of its sin and of God's righteousness, and of the coming judgment. The world's sin is that it refuses to believe in me. Righteousness is available because I go to the Father, and you will see me no more. Judgment will come because the ruler of this world has already been judged. There is so much more I want to tell you, but you can't bear it now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own, but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future, he will bring me glory by telling you whatever he receives from me. All that belongs to the Father is mine. This is why he said, The Spirit will tell you whatever he receives from me. Would you like to take over?

SPEAKER_01 18:06

Verse 16, right?

SPEAKER_04 18:07

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

Yes, in a little while you won't see me anymore, but a little while after that you will see me again. Some of the disciples asked each other, what does he mean when he says, In a little while you won't see me, but then you will see me, and I am going to the Father. And what does he mean by a little while? We don't understand. Jesus realized they wanted to ask him about it, so he said, Are you asking yourselves what I meant? I said, In a little while you won't see me, but a little while after that you will see me again. I tell you the truth, you will weep and mourn over what is going to happen to me, but the world will rejoice. You will grieve, but your grief will suddenly turn to wonderful joy. It will be like a woman suffering the pains of labor or a man cold.

SPEAKER_04 18:58

Sorry, I had to that's not in there. But it's accurate.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Couldn't help myself. All right. Well, at least everyone's paying attention. All right, so verse 21, it says for real, it will be like a woman suffering the pains of labor when her child is born. Her anguish gives way to joy because she has brought a new baby into the world. So you have sorrow now, but I will see you again, then you will rejoice, and no one can rob you of that joy. At that time, you won't need to ask me for anything. I tell you the truth. You will ask the Father directly, and he will grant your request because you use my name. You haven't done this before. Ask using my name, and you will receive, and you will have abundant joy. I have spoken of these matters in figures of speech, but soon I will stop speaking figuratively and will tell you plainly all about the Father. Then you will ask in my name. I'm not saying I will ask the Father on your behalf, for the Father Himself loves you dearly because you love me and believe that I came from God. Yes, I came from the Father into the world, and now I will leave the world and return to the Father. Then his disciples said, At last you are speaking plainly and not figuratively. Now we understand that you know everything, and there's no need to question you. From this we believe that you came from God. Jesus asked, Do you finally believe? But the time is coming, indeed, it's here now, when you will be scattered. Each one is going his own way, leaving me alone. Yet I am not alone because the Father is with me. I have told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you will have many trials and sorrows, but take heart, because I have overcome the world. End of chapter. End of transmission.

SPEAKER_04 20:56

Okay. He starts off basically, I don't want to call it a warning, but it's kind of a warning. Like, hey, these things are gonna happen. Don't lose faith. When it says The time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing a holy service for God. We have that still in this world. We literally just talked about it. We did, and you mentioned some I forget the phrase you used, but you said it and it made me think of this verse. You know, and there and there will always be people that you can tell them the sky is blue and they will be adamant that it's purple. But Jesus warned us there will be people like that, and there still is.

SPEAKER_01 21:45

So for sure. In the Corinthi, I think it's in Corinthians it says uh that the cross how does it put to the world the cross is foolishness, but to the but it is how did man, I'm drawing Blank. I think it's the I'll find it later. I don't know. But basically, the gist of the verses is that people who see the cross who aren't believers see it as insane. And those who are believers cling to it because it is life and it is hope. It's just uh the world is their eyes are blind to the things of God until they meet him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:23

Perspective, right? Mm-hmm. Something in there you want to chat about before.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Well, I was gonna say, you know, John 16, uh, he starts off saying, I tell I'm telling you all these things so you won't abandon your faith. And the things that he this is, I mean, when he wrote, when this was written, there weren't chapters and verse numbers, right? So the idea, what he was talking about was, I am the true vine, stay in the vine, and I'll be with you, I will make you fruitful. If you're not in the vine, I'm gonna cut you off. And then he talks about how the world's gonna hate you. And now he's saying, I've told you these things, so you don't abandon your faith. Number one, you need to stay in me to stay alive. Number two, the world's gonna hate you. I don't want you to abandon your faith because the world is gonna hate you, but then you won't be alive. And of course, if you make that, if you abandon your faith, then the world hates you and you're dead. So, you know, there's really no benefit to to doing that. Right. That was kind of my my opening after I read through the chapter. I'm like, okay, that we could call John 16 Jesus prepping the disciples, because this whole chapter is like, hey, here's what's cut, here's here's what's coming. I want you to be ready because there's some really great things coming. You're gonna be sad, but there are some really great things coming.

SPEAKER_04 23:45

I I find it kind of neat. He's he said that the Holy Spirit will tell them about the future, and here he is telling them about the future. Yes, you know, little connection there. Paul, who used to be Saul, he used to be one of these who would kill for the service of God. Yes. Until he had his road to Damascus moment. Right. Sometimes I wonder, like, why did why did God choose to approach Saul and change his heart? And why not somebody else who may be in the same boat that he was? Or is it that he tried and they didn't listen? You know what I mean? Anything is possible.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

Why does he choose one over the other? Every vessel, every human being was made for good works. God made us in his image. The Bible says that we are fearfully and wonderfully made. But not every tool in the shed can be a rake. You have to have a rake, you have to have a shovel, you have to have a lawnmower, you need sprayer, you know, you need all these different types of tools. So not everybody that follows the Lord, I would say that everyone who follows the Lord is chosen for a purpose and chosen to do a work for him and to help advance the kingdom of God. Now, not everyone can be a Paul. True.

SPEAKER_04 25:17

So that's a good way to put it tools in a tool shed. Yeah. But what about so what about the one so but but he wasn't following Christ and then was chosen. He was definitely on the wrong side, or at least from our perspective. I mean, he was killing Christians.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Christians were terrified of him. The name Saul like ran through the Christian believers' circles, and they're like, we don't want to see this guy, that's bad news for us. Right.

SPEAKER_04 25:47

So why would God choose him? I don't know. And I I know there's things we're never gonna be able to, like you said, if you had all the answers for your God, is he really your God?

SPEAKER_01 25:58

Right. I mean, part there, you know, it's a dramatic miracle. Yeah, it it it brings attention to what God's doing. That could have been part of it. Paul, Paul had the talents and skills that God gave him to fulfill that purpose. Paul was on his way to becoming a Pharisee. I mean, he was he was on the fast track, right? Yeah.

unknown 26:22

Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

You're pointing in the back of my shirt. Yeah. And he was zealous and he was passionate. And maybe, you know, I think Paul, as a general rule, was one of those guys who was always going to be a go-getter. All like his personality was just, he was intelligent, he was fierce, he was relentless, he was determined, and he was probably most importantly passionate about his beliefs. I mean, right or wrong, Paul stood behind what he believed in and he lived out his beliefs 100%. So, you know, all of those things allowed God to see him as a very useful tool. And look what ended up happening. He wrote half the New Testament. Right. So, you know, I I don't think most of us, if if Paul was here today, I don't think most of us would be on the same level with him character-wise, just generally speaking, not as a Christian, just as you know, whatever. I think that his his character would have put him in the same category as some of the overachievers of our time, like Elon Musk or Donald Trump, or you know, other people who have not to get political. But I'm just thinking of people who are using the same 24 hours that I am using, but making a tremendous impact on this world. Right. So I think that Paul was just he was set up to be that place, and and so there was just many, many, many different reasons that got picked in. But in the old testament, it says that God's thoughts are higher than our thoughts and his ways are higher than our ways, and we just can't always know. It's a good way to put it.

SPEAKER_04 28:11

Thank you for that explanation. That helps.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:14

So I'll let you keep going if there's any bits that you want to.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

You know, the biggest thing that stood out to me in the first 10 verses was verse nine. In the NKJV, it says, well, it's actually eight through nine, or seven. It's actually seven through eleven, but it was verse nine that stood out to me. It says, I tell you the truth, it is in your best interest that I go away, because the Holy Spirit will come and he's gonna convict the world of sin and righteousness and judgment. And then verse nine says, How does it put it in the NLT?

SPEAKER_04 28:52

The world's sin is that it refuses to believe in me.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Yes, unbelief is a sin. That that was the biggest thing that stood out to me. Unbelief is a sin. People talk about, well, you're either a believer or you're not, and if you become a believer, then God will forgive you of your sins. But rarely do you actually hear anyone say that the fact that you don't believe in God is a sin in and of itself.

SPEAKER_04 29:19

Yeah. You I don't know that I've heard anyone, whether or not they're I've never heard a sermon on it. Pastor, any uh priest, I've never heard anyone say that.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

No, the unbelief is a sin, and it's a really dangerous one. And even as Christians, we can have moments where we may or may not believe that God will do what he says he will do or whatever. And according to Jesus, I mean, the world's sin is that it refuses to believe in me. I personally think that if you don't have faith in God, it's not just a lack of faith, it's also sin. Right. Faith requires, I mean, it takes time and things have to happen for your faith to grow. But if you are not a believer, if you are an unbeliever, that's probably the most dangerous sin that you can live in.

SPEAKER_04 30:15

So a little hard word from Jesus there that stood out to me. The part of that that stood out to me, and only because it took me, and I don't even I don't know if I still don't know if I have quite the grasp on it that I would like, but when it when it says when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin. Okay, got that.

SPEAKER_00 30:35

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 30:36

End of coming judgment, got that. End of God's righteousness, didn't got that. Okay. But I I think I think what this is saying, because I was thinking of it as simply the Holy Spirit is going to come and convict, and I was just thinking of all the negative things. Like, you know, he's gonna convict the unbelievers, but Right. I don't think that's what that means. I think he's also going to He's also going to convict those that believe. Not in a negative way, but just Build conviction? Yes, like I had a conviction in me that blah, whatever. You know what I mean? The righteousness is just the Holy Spirit letting those that believe know that it is by your faith that you stand right with God.

SPEAKER_00 31:31

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 31:33

Right. Am I accurate there?

SPEAKER_01 31:35

Yeah, I mean, Jesus he gives so I think I think it's worth worth it to take a look because a huge part of this chapter is he's introducing who the Holy Spirit is, yes, to the disciples, right? He's like, hey, I'm leaving so that the Holy Spirit can come. And so he gives, he kind of gives a job description of, you know, he gives the Holy Spirit's job description. And I wrote down the Holy Spirit convicts, the Holy Spirit guides and reveals truth to us. The Holy Spirit is a messenger. He's talking about how the Holy Spirit's going to relay to us the information that Jesus tells him. And then the Holy Spirit is also prophesies, tells about the future. So those are the the four big points that I got about the Holy Spirit's job description in our life. And the Holy Spirit gives us something that Jesus couldn't while he was on earth. The Holy Spirit lives in us and he can be everywhere all at once. And Jesus was, you know, in physical form, was just a man in one spot. I yeah, I actually wrote that wrote that down, but before we get to that, there's a go ahead. Oh, I was gonna say, so to answer your question on the righteousness part, Jesus actually defines those three things. He says he convicts the world of its sin and he talks about the unbelief. And then he says, Righteousness is available because I go to the Father and you will see me no more. Because he died for our sins. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:06

And now all we need is faith.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

Right. And there was I think it's in Romans, Paul again is talking about Abraham. That was before Jesus, it was before the law, it was before the rules of do's and don'ts. Says that Abraham, Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness. So our righteousness doesn't come from us, it comes from our belief in God. And then God forgives us of our sins, purifies us, and we see through Jesus. So the Holy Spirit allows us to see that because Jesus isn't here anymore, so we have to believe in faith, and then the Holy Spirit works through us to convict us to live more righteously, I guess. Right. I don't know if that answers your question.

SPEAKER_04 33:55

Yeah, it does. I think it's easy to kind of get confused on what the word righteous means and its intention. So did you look it up? I did. Okay. To make a long definition short, it is to walk in God's ways, so to speak. To be in right standing with authority. Yes. Yep. When I initially read that, or when I initially hear the word righteousness or righteous, I think of Bill and Ted. No, that's good. They did have an excellent adventure. It was righteous. Um I think about you know, someone that's pure, or someone who's, you know, better than the rest, because they're they're the exemplary definition of good. Right. You know what I mean? Yep. But I don't I I don't think that's I think that's not the correct definition of the word for this. Because we can't be pure, we can't be the exemplary definition of good. Right. Our works mean nothing. Right. So in this case, like it said our works mean nothing in the uh for our saving. Right. Okay. Verse 10, it says, righteousness is available because I go to the Father. So I like I said earlier, it's our good standing with God and our faith in that Jesus Christ died for our sins, and he is the door that we will get to the kingdom of God. Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

Yeah, there's I can't remember where it is in the New Testament, but it somewhere it says that that we have been, we exchanged our sin for Jesus' righteousness. We are the righteousness of Christ if we are believers. I heard a pastor put it this way one is pure and perfect for us. He gave it to us and took our sin instead. So we get to wear his cloak of righteousness and he wears our filthy rags, right? I heard I heard a pastor put it this way one time. He said that when God, if we are believers and we are talking to God, God doesn't see us, he sees Jesus. Like Jesus is the like the in-between, the mediator, the go-between between us and the father. And so as adopted children, now when God looks at us, he sees Jesus and not our hot mess. Is I and that's not a hundred percent theologically correct, but for you know, from a basic understanding to from a basic standpoint of understanding, we we get God's righteousness because of what Jesus did. Not because we could do anything to earn it, but because Jesus gave us his righteousness and took our sin. We are the verse actually says, we I wish I remembered the reference. We are the righteousness of God. It sounds very sketchy to say it like that, but it's the truth. That's what the Bible says. And so in this situation, so that's just another idea on the concept of righteousness. It's to be in good standing with authority, you know, to be to be in an exemplary position, which we could never earn on our own, but we get it for free.

SPEAKER_04 37:25

I heard a uh I forget the guy's name. Um again, I think he's another pastor, preacher, but he was asked what does it take to get into heaven? And I might have said this before. And he said, perfection. And the and the guy asking him is like kind of confused by the answer. And he's like, it takes perfection to get into heaven. Not our perfection, but Jesus' perfection, he did it for us. Yes, that's really good. That's really good. Yeah, yeah. I thought there was, let's see, what verse is it? Instead, I will say, back in verse six or five, but now I'm going away to the one who sent me, and not one of you is asking where I'm going. Instead, you grieve because of what I told you. I mean, the disciples were probably being slightly selfish there. I think they are worried more about themselves than they were about Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 38:28

Right. They're like, what do you mean you're weaving us? We need you. Yeah. They didn't they don't see the whole story at this point in time.

SPEAKER_04 38:35

Not yet. But I think they see it later. But he goes on to say, if I do go away, then I will send him to you. So Jesus, it in the in the past, wasn't it God will send the advocate? Isn't that how it was written? My father will send the advocate, or the advocate will come. But now he's specifying that I will send the Holy Spirit. Just once again showing that he is God. Yes. But I wrote a note about him sending the Holy Spirit. Jesus, and I think you kind of vaguely mentioned it, Jesus' presence on earth was one place at a time. Right. Because he was human, okay. The physical world has its limitations. 100%. Jesus leaving and the Holy Spirit coming is not necessarily a one-for-one exchange, but now Jesus can be everywhere with us all at once in the Holy Spirit. Yes. Yeah, it is better that Jesus left. Yes. The world I think He can be with you and you and you. It's like Oprah, everyone gets a toaster.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

Everyone gets a Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_03 39:58

Oh, I don't know how I feel about that. But that's funny.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

Yeah, you know, there's another spot where Jesus says that you will do greater works than I have done. And I think whenever I read that after reading this, you know, I'm like, okay, so it's not because of us. Right. It is because when Jesus left, the Holy Spirit empowers us to do things that that are greater than what Jesus could have done while he was here on earth. So, you know, one of the questions I almost write down and I didn't, but since we're on it, I'm gonna go, we're just gonna roll with it. Who is more powerful, Jesus or the Holy Spirit? It's a trick question.

SPEAKER_04 40:43

Yeah. See, see, this is where I always say, is this a trick question? And you're like, I never ask you a trick question. Okay, and then you ask me something like that, and I I can't even believe what I'm hearing.

SPEAKER_01 40:57

This that that's why I didn't write it down. They just they have a different purpose and role to play. Yes. But no, but yeah, the the Holy Spirit is here. If you are a believer, the Holy Spirit lives in you, the Spirit of God lives in you, his voice works to guide you, correct you, convict you. Just for the record, conviction is a good word. It doesn't have to mean judgment, but it can't. Well, yeah, no, conviction is when like you put your hand on a hot stove and you burn your fingers. That's called ouchie. Yeah, well, conviction is an ouchie, right? Have you ever been convicted of something that you did and felt terrible about it? Well, I'm just I'm saying conviction is a very uncomfortable word in in the modern church. It is, but it is so good for us. It is so good for us. Just like burning your hand on the stove teaches you not to do that again, and you save yourself a lot of pain and anguish. Being convicted and more importantly, listening to it, it could also saves you from burning your hand a hundred times.

SPEAKER_04 42:09

Maybe it's just somebody's getting a message from the Holy Spirit. I have been convicted to go do this for this reason. Yes. Yes. Not judgment. I'm not being punished. It's just I am being led to do this and told that this is, you know, this is what it is. I wrote uh conviction isn't punishment in any way, shape, or form. Just for the record. Touche. I wrote down from the book of Paul. I'm just kidding, Romans chapter one, verse 17. You got me. Yeah, I bet I did. This good news tells us how God makes us right in his sight. This is accomplished from start to finish by faith. As the scriptures say, it is through faith that a righteous person has life. I like that verse. It's good stuff. That is good stuff. Yeah, it's definitely good stuff. All right, we should probably get moving on. Moving on. Verse 11 judgment will come because the ruler of this world has already been judged. I don't think we need to elaborate on that. He is speaking about Satan. Satan has, like you say, no power over us.

SPEAKER_01 43:17

Right. So we had the spirit of the living God living inside of us, convicting us and guiding us into truth and to do the right thing. There's nothing that can touch that.

SPEAKER_04 43:28

I did highlight verse 12. I'm not really sure why. Other than other than I felt like there was more there that I wasn't catching, so maybe you can help me. There is so much more I want to tell you, but you can't bear it now. That thought isn't complete until you read the next verse or two. When well Okay. When the spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own, but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future. Blah blah blah. But big basically he's just saying you y you will you will get more info, but you're gonna get it later because you can't handle it right now. Basically. But why why can't they handle it right now? Well, like why wouldn't they be able to?

SPEAKER_01 44:18

Why does he think Have you ever put your mouth over the end of a fire hydrant? Is my mouth that big? Is this a true question?

SPEAKER_04 44:29

Oh, for the love, dude. I just I don't know. Is it that they needed to see the the resurrection first before they could handle possibly?

SPEAKER_01 44:39

Jesus knew him well enough to know he was a good teacher. He knew him well enough to know you can tell them everything they needed to know right then. Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 44:47

I just I felt like there was something I was missing there, but maybe not. Maybe it's just as it is. They weren't ready for that emotional burden.

SPEAKER_01 44:56

And the flip side of this, it says a lot about Jesus, is he desired, like he wants to get, he wants to give them everything they need. He wants to tell them everything. Like it's his desire to help them in any way possible, right? Like I still have many things that I want to say, want to say to you, but you can't take it right now. I want to do it right now, but you can't take it, so I'm not going to. But when the Holy Spirit comes, what does it say? He will guide you into all truth, for he will not speak on his own. So basically, the Holy Spirit's gonna come and he's gonna be the microphone or the speakers for Jesus' microphone. And then Jesus can go ahead and tell them everything. And those who are listening to the Spirit, who are walking in the Spirit will hear the Spirit and will know everything. We need to know as we need to know it. That's the other part of that. You know, he says you can't bear it right now. We can't know everything all at once. We need to know what we need to know when we need to know it. And if we know more than that, then we How is that again? We need to know what we need to know when we need to know it. I don't know if I said it the same way both times or not. I don't know, but it sounded good.

SPEAKER_04 46:07

You'll be able to tell when you edit this. Okay. Verse 16. In a little while you won't see me anymore, but a little while after that you will see me again. And then I thought it was I don't know. I think it's kind of funny that the disciples are talking amongst themselves, trying to figure out what he's saying. And he's just like, dude, you guys want to ask me. Just ask me.

SPEAKER_01 46:30

Right. Yep. I had a note on verse 18. He says, in a little while. What you mean? What does he mean by a little while? I I mean, yeah, what does he mean by Jesus said, in a little while I'm leaving, and then in a little while I'm coming back. I think God's definition of a little while is way different than mine.

SPEAKER_04 46:55

Well, yeah, I mean, it could be five minutes, it could be five hundred years.

SPEAKER_01 47:00

Well, it's been almost 2,000 years and no one's seen Jesus. I mean, he hasn't come back for us yet. Well, wasn't he talking about his death and then the resurrection, though? And then after that, I believe, I mean, he says it a little while and you will not see me, and a little while and you will see me because I'm going to the father. I always took that as he's gonna die and then he's gonna come back, he's gonna be resurrected, and then he's gonna go to the father, and then he's coming back again.

SPEAKER_04 47:29

Oh, I took it the other way as he dies and goes to the father and then he comes back.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, maybe it's that simple, but I could have sworn there was something in there that pointed to the return of Christ later on, but maybe not. Either way, in a little while, his definition is different than ours.

SPEAKER_04 47:49

This would be really great if you, as a listener, if you have a thought on if he was talking about his resurrection, or if he was talking about his second coming.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

This is this is not just a request, this is homework. You you have yeah, do some research and send an email, please. Do it. I personally, I mean, it's probably both, you know. It could be, but I always took it the other way. But yes, so either way, we know he's coming back again, and we know that when he died, the gates like he the gates of death could not hold him, and he was resurrected. So either way, it's right.

SPEAKER_04 48:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:35

There's no wrong. Right. I mean wrong. I mean right.

SPEAKER_04 48:40

Left. Yes. Alright, this next part, he talks, he compares the mourning and the grief to that of a mother giving labor and then turning to joy. This this paragraph, this whole set of verses, the the one thing I got from that is sometimes suffering is good. Absolutely. You know, you will hear mothers who gave birth many times say, Oh, I want to have another child. Even though that m a lot of that nine months is probably terrible, and the labor and birth part is probably painful beyond what we can imagine. They want to go through it again. But you never hear someone say, 'God, I wish I had more kidney stones.' You know some pain and some suffering is going to be worth it. And so, you know, like we talked about the pruning of the vine. Sometimes you the pruning doesn't always get rid of the dead stuff. Sometimes it gets rid of a little bit of good stuff and it's painful. But what comes after that, fantastic. Yeah. You looked like you wanted to say something.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

I just thinking about all the man cold jokes and dude, the man cold is terrible.

SPEAKER_03 50:01

It is horrible.

SPEAKER_01 50:01

Knocks me on my own. I think God gives women. I mean, sorry, ladies, for those of you listening, but I think God gives women amnesia because as soon as they have that baby, they forget about the nine months of morning sickness, the acid reflux, the the pain. They have the baby, and then like a month later, I want another one. Like, like there's some uh God God gives some form of amnesia, I think.

SPEAKER_04 50:26

Maybe, or it's just the pure joy that they they want to experience again.

SPEAKER_01 50:31

There, yes, bringing a life into this world, there is that's that's that's a miracle.

SPEAKER_04 50:38

For sure. It is not evolution. No, no. Okay. Anything else in that version? Not on the man cold part, no. Okay. I have spoken of these matters and figures of speech, but soon I will stop speaking figuratively and will tell you plainly all about the father.

SPEAKER_01 51:00

Oh, I sorry, I did have something on verse 23. No, you can't go back now. Well, I didn't realize that was the section that you were. I didn't I don't even remember. Okay, so in verse 23, he's talking about I did miss some stuff. I'm sorry. It that's okay. In verse 23, he's saying that you're going to ask the father directly from now on. When I'm gone, you're gonna talk to God, the father directly. I'm not gonna talk to him for because like while Jesus was here on earth, he spent his quiet times praying, and then he would come back and tell the tell the kids what daddy said, and then you know they would go in and do their thing. But he's saying, when I go back, we have no con, but let me back up. We have no concept of what it was like to to be alive and try to have a relationship in the time of Jesus or before.

SPEAKER_04 51:49

Well, in the old testament, if I'm accurate, most people would have to go through like a priest to get everybody.

SPEAKER_01 51:57

Yeah, yeah. Unless God came to them first. Yeah. Unless God came to them, uh uh the even the chosen people had to go to the temple where God's presence was confined. It didn't have to be, but that's what he chose to put it. And that was where that they they could talk to God. And Jesus saying, after I go, you can talk to God directly. I'm not gonna be your I'm not gonna, we're not playing telephone anymore. You're gonna go talk to the Father directly, which brings me to two things. One, the the million-dollar question I had for today. This is this is for the$25,000 grand prize. That's it,$25,000? Dude, we're in a recession. That's a new game show, maybe I guess. So when we pray, do we pray to Jesus or do we pray to the Father?

SPEAKER_04 52:48

I've asked you this before, and this is I don't remember what you said. It doesn't matter. I don't remember what you said.

SPEAKER_01 52:56

Well, I don't know that we've had I've had this conversation multiple times. Theologically, the Bible tells us Jesus' example of the Lord's prayer is us praying to the Father. Jesus tells us here that we are to pray to the Father. Yeah, and he's we don't have to pray to him, we pray to the Father. So I think theologically the correct answer is to pray to the Father. I don't know that it's a sin to pray to Jesus, but Right.

SPEAKER_04 53:25

Well, seeing as Jesus is God, right? Like there's some leeway there, I suppose. It does say ask using my name. What can you explain what that means? I mean, is this kind of like Kings of the Past when we say in the name of Caesar? That was good. Did you like that? You know, in the in the name of Caesar, um can we do this?

SPEAKER_01 53:55

Or is this like I mean, practically speaking, in a lot of in a lot of prayer, you know, you'll hear people say in the name of Jesus, amen, or whatever. I think that's I mean, that's the tradition. I think in the spirit of the thing, Jesus is saying that when we go to pray, we can acknowledge we are there because of Jesus. Right. I I think I think that's a heart posture. Okay. More so than a I don't think I don't think that that has to be specific liturgical thing you say. I I think it's a heart posture that says, hey, I am here because of Jesus, let me come. You know, I I think that's it. And that there's a verse in a section in Hebrews chapter four. It's 14 through 16. I'm gonna read it really quick. I know where we gotta go, but I'm it's been a while since you've quoted Hebrews.

SPEAKER_04 54:54

This is good.

SPEAKER_01 54:55

I yeah. Hebrews 4:14 says, and I'm reading in the NKJV because that's what I have handy here. It says, seeing then that we have a great high priest who is passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is Jesus, who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. And verse 16, one of my favorite verses in the New Testament says, Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in the time of need. We can come boldly to the Father's throne because of what Jesus did. We we couldn't do that if Jesus didn't do what he did. But but here the author is telling us, hey, come like, go, don't be embarrassed, don't be shy, go to the father. And Jesus is saying, when you talk to the father, you know, whatever you ask in my name will be getting like so. It's a you know, we can do that because of Jesus, but we are encouraged by both Jesus and the author of Hebrews that we should go to the Father with every single thing we need. And when we do, in Jesus' name, ask, you shall receive. Now, does that mean Jesus is gonna give you a Corvette if you ask or God's gonna give you a Corvette if you ask for one? No, but if we are walking in accordance with God's will, Mustang guy? So oh, is he? Yeah, Mustangs.

SPEAKER_03 56:42

What are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 56:44

That hurts.

SPEAKER_03 56:45

Did you smoke your elbow?

SPEAKER_01 56:47

No, no, I'm just thinking about the whole Mustang thing.

SPEAKER_02 56:51

And I'm like, Dude, I thought you were actually in real pain. I am in real pain.

SPEAKER_04 56:57

Yeah, Mustangs. Funny, funny guy. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 57:05

Anything else on that?

SPEAKER_04 57:07

No, go boldly to the throne of grace. Yes. As we move on to Jesus, no longer speaking figuratively. For the Father himself loves you dearly because you love me and believe that I came from God. Yes, I came from the Father into the world, and now I leave the world and return to the Father. Then his disciples said, At last you are speaking plainly and not figuratively. Now we understand that you know everything, and there's no need to question you from this. We believe that you came from God. Here's why I think Jesus asked them again, Do you finally believe? Because Jesus was saying, I came from the Father, I'm going back to the Father, and they responded with, You're from God.

SPEAKER_00 57:52

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 57:52

Okay? Yeah. And I think He I think Jesus was trying to be very specific instead of speaking in a generality with the word God. Or maybe I'm looking too far into it. Because I think of it as like sometimes, you know, and I'm guilty of it, we use we use very general terms to describe God. Like what? The big guy, you know, whatever. Okay. Okay. Big guns upstairs. It's impersonal. Right. Right? And I think Jesus was trying to be more personal with it by saying father instead of, you know, the guy in charge. Right. And they responded with God. I I just I found that interesting, and I think that's why he asked him, Do you do you actually believe?

SPEAKER_01 58:48

Maybe I'm looking too far into it, but yeah, I didn't look that far into it. I the his question, the way he phrased it here, or at least the way it was written down in in these versions, I it almost feels like he's being somewhat sarcastic with him. Do you really believe? Oh, do you believe now? You know, like there's a couple of different intonations that I could picture behind that. Maybe. I guess I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_04 59:15

I I felt it as more questioning, like he's really trying to Yeah, he's trying, he's really trying to get get a clear answer out of them.

SPEAKER_01 59:25

Right. It could be. I mean, it it could be any one of those. But immediately after he asked that, he says, Look, you guys are all gonna scatter and leave me alone. Yeah. So to me, that's like, do you really believe? Because if you did, would you really weave me right now? Touche. So I don't know. Yeah, maybe. I mean, Jesus wasn't sarcastic, but as a general rule. Maybe. Maybe a little bit. He might have. I think he's got a sense of humor.

SPEAKER_04 59:53

Do you think he told knock-knock jokes?

unknown 59:58

No.

SPEAKER_04 59:59

No, I don't.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:01

Why? Because they didn't have knock-knock jokes?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:04

Did they even have wooden doors back then? Wasn't it just beads and no they had curtains? I'm just kidding. No, I don't think he told knock-knock jokes, but I I'm I bet he was probably I don't know. I'm not gonna bet anything. I'd like to think that he had a sense of humor in some regard. Uh he was human just like we.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:25

James and John, two of his disciples, he named them the Sons of Thunder because they were a little rowdy. Right. Which is funny. It is. I mean, so yeah, there's I bet he had a I bet he had a sense of humor. Yeah, I guess so too.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:41

Not all business. Okay. That's anything in that last little bit there. I mean, he says they're gonna scatter and leave, but he knows he's not alone because he has the father, and he just lets it remind them again that they're gonna have trials, they're gonna have sorrows, but don't worry.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:02

Jesus has taken over the world, overcome the world. Overcome the world. I think I always consider that to be one of the promises of God. In this world, you are going to have trouble. I think that's a promise from God. Yeah. But it's twofold. You're gonna have trouble, but don't worry, because I've already taken over, like I've overcome everything. Yes, yes. So I don't that yeah, I I always when when bad stuff happens, I'm like, God promised this. And I'm not, I don't say that like whining like I'm shaking my fist at God. I'm just like, yep, I accept that that's the way I I accept the promise. I know that it's coming and it's here now, and but he's also with me. God promised there'd be trouble, but I can take heart in him, I can trust in him. So okay. It's a twofold promise.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:55

Well, I think that's it for chapter 16. That was good stuff. It was all right, everybody. Thank you for listening. Have a great and wonderful Easter. Oh, John, send us out in a prayer, would you? Sorry. Are we gonna have this out before Easter? I'm gonna make it my mission to get it out tonight. Really? I'm going to get it out tonight.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:18

Holy smokes. I know. All right, Heavenly Father, thank you for this time. You are you are so gracious and merciful to us. You are full of love and kindness. You are patient when we don't deserve it. You are a you are a good father. And we want to say thank you for for giving us your book. Thank you for giving us a way that we can see you at least a little bit right now, that we can get to know you better. Father, I pray that your your words, the revelation of who you are, is made real in our hearts as we go through the rest of this weekend. Thank you for sending your son to do to walk through the terrible path that you had for him so that we could know you individually and personally. Lord, we love you and we thank you for all that you've done. In your holy name we pray. Amen.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:20

Have a great Easter, everyone. Love ya. Goodbye.