Iku vs. Kuru, Barcelona Croquettes & The Daruma Gets an Eye – EP 28

Episode 28 – Iku vs. Kuru, Barcelona Croquettes & The Daruma Gets an Eye

Learn Japanese and discover Japanese culture with hosts Michael Allen (CPA) and Michelle MaliZaki in Episode 28 of Nihongo to English — the bilingual podcast where somehow, you always walk away knowing more Japanese than when you started.

This week, Michelle is back from a family trip to Europe — Dublin, Barcelona, and the World Cup chaos in between. Tapas were eaten. Open mics were canceled. And a very important debate was settled: are Japanese croquettes (コロッケ) and Spanish croquettes the same thing? (They are not. And the panko situation is complicated.)

Then it's back to Genki Lesson 3, page 93–94 for one of the most important — and most confusing — Japanese grammar topics for beginners: 行く (iku) vs. 来る (kuru). When do you say "I'm going" vs. "I'm coming"? It all depends on where the speaker is standing, and Michael and Michelle break it down with real examples, Takkyubin scenarios, and a guy who is apparently the size of a building. They also practice masu and masen verb conjugations with full sentences across eight different verbs: taberu, kiku, nomu, hanasu, yomu, miru, suru, okiru, neru, and iku — because once you're in it, you're in it.

Also on this episode: the World Cup takeover of Barcelona, the word darui (だるい — that "ugh, everything is too much" feeling), the invention of the Daruima (a bucket shaped like a Daruma with a to-do list inside), Japanese useless inventions, えー vs. うん as response words, chotto as the world's most polite "no," and the moment Michael drew an eye on Daruma-san live on air — setting the goal of 10,000 downloads.

The Daruma has one eye. The rest is up to you.

No homework. Just bilingual chaos — and somehow you learn.

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🎵 Theme Jingle by Michelle MaliZaki 

Japanese Description

エピソード28 – 行く vs. 来る、バルセロナのコロッケ＆ダルマに目を入れた日

日本語学習中のあなたへ。バイリンガルポッドキャスト Nihongo to English のエピソード28へようこそ！ホストのマイケル・アレン（CPA）とみしえる・まりザきが、今週も笑いとカオスの中で日本語をお届けします。

今回、みしえる・まりザきはヨーロッパ家族旅行から帰還。ダブリン、バルセロナ、そしてワールドカップ一色の街並みを体験。オープンマイクは全滅。でもコロッケはおいしかった。日本のコロッケとスペインのコロッケ、実は全然違う？パン粉問題まで深掘りします。

そして今週のメイン：げんき Lesson 3（93〜94ページ） より、日本語学習の定番の壁、「行く」と「来る」を徹底解説！話し手がどこにいるかで使い方が変わるこの2つの動詞、宅急便シナリオや実例を使ってわかりやすく説明します。さらに、ます形・ません形の動詞活用練習として、食べる・聞く・飲む・話す・読む・見る・する・起きる・寝る・行く の8つ以上を文章で練習！

その他のトピック：ワールドカップに飲み込まれたバルセロナ、「だるい」 という言葉の発見、ダルマをバケツにした謎の発明品 「ダルイマ」、日本のユニークな発明文化、「えー」と「うん」の使い方、「ちょっと」が実は丁重な断りの言葉である理由、そして放送中に実際にダルマに目を入れた瞬間——目標は ダウンロード1万回！

ダルマに片目が入りました。あとはリスナーのみなさん次第です。

宿題なし。バイリンガルなカオスだけ——でもなぜか学べる。

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🎵 テーマジングル：みしえる・まりザき

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:08

Yay! Welcome to Nihongo To English No Show.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

I'm your host, one of your hosts, Michael Allen, CPA, that stands for Comedic Performance Artist.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

And I'm the other host, Michelle Marizaki.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

And together we are going to talk about things in English and also in Japanese. Hi.

SPEAKER_02 0:43

Hi.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Ireland. So uh while you've been traveling in Europe, all of Europe and the world really has been coming here for the World Cup.

SPEAKER_02 1:06

I know, I know. I so I went to Dublin, and then I went to Barcelona, and then I came back. But see, I was gonna go to OpenStack.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Barcelona's not in Ireland.

SPEAKER_02 1:17

No, no, I went to Barcelona, Spain.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

Spain.

SPEAKER_02 1:20

Yeah, yeah. So that's why I went to Europe, not Irrando.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

Was it uh Northern Ireland or Ireland?

SPEAKER_02 1:29

Dublin, I think. Minamino Hall.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

Uh-huh. Yeah, in the south, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Yeah. And then I went to Spain, Barcelona. But all of the open mics are cancelled.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

What? Yeah. In in Barcelona or in Ireland?

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Both. Both.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

Oh wow. So because people are playing soccer. And people don't get to do open mic comedy?

SPEAKER_02 1:54

No, people are watching people are too busy watching soccer.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

Do you think it's that just the fans are watching the soccer so they don't want to host the open mic? Or is it because it's probably because all the comedians are watching the soccer, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:08

Everybody was watching. And then like everybody was wearing jersey and everything, partying. Oh my gosh. They partied till 3 a.m. But at 3 a.m. done.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Was it really like a party or was it just sort of evening socializing? I've not seen it. Because I've heard stories of you know people just hanging out on the uh on like outdoor cafes, you know, and just enjoying the evening. It sounds great to me. Yeah, onga. So um was it uh recreation or what for my nannial. Yeah, why were you traveling? Yeah. Oh, it was a vacation.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

So so kazokuno family vacation.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

Oh, family.

SPEAKER_02 3:16

So demo dashia Barusterona Madei te American, no, Hokano Kazukua, Barusterona Kala, Miranoni, de Mirano Kala, we ni de kino kaite kimasta.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

Kino kaite kimasta.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

Hi, San Jose ni tekimas.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

So uh Barcelona, uh Spain, hi uh uh tapas de humedis. Hi, Oshite Kure.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

Koroque Oshi Koro Koroque. Hi.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

But nihon mo uh Koroque de Yumedes.

SPEAKER_02 3:49

Hi, demo Spain mo Koroqueume Nakoto Wakari Masta.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

So this got so uh uh nihono kalage junk de nihono uhade koroke. Hi, nihono k uh korok koroke nihono koroketo uh spin no korokewa do chigai maska.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

Uh lyho oisi mochi no korokeva ano sauce kakete tabeluketo sauce to kaatsu sauce to spin no korokeva tomato sauce kaketari atokate na katsoa koshata.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

Ryoho tomo age. Hi, hi.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

Chichai, hi. Nemo eto niho no kolokiva o kikte kobangata koban te vakarimaska.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

Koban wa police box.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

Asira kobang. Chiga kobang. Kobang wa ano like komuki ko no ko? Chiga ko koban no koa king. King. Hi. Okay. Gordo.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 5:01

Bang wa ita. Gordo. Ita board. A no mkashino okane? Ga kobanis.

SPEAKER_00 5:08

Oh, like a coin?

SPEAKER_02 5:10

It's big bigger than coin.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

Oh, I oh it's like the maneko has them sometimes?

SPEAKER_02 5:14

Maneki neko gamutriatsu. Ah tabu.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

It's like this long, it's almost looks like a cookie or like.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

So koroke, nihono korokemita. Yeah, oh yeah, that's true. So kobangata.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 5:24

So kata form. Kobangata like looks like the nani. Koban no kata chi.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Yeah, it's like an oval kind of. Not an oval exactly, but that kind of shape. Yeah, it's also.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

Hi, hi, hi.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

Because uh I would think that my I mean my guess would have been that the Japanese koroque would have like a finer uh crunch uh because like Japanese toast is so um white. You know, so I thought like, oh well maybe maybe it would be like a finer thing, but I guess in Spain you're saying the the breading on the koroke croquette.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

Most gas they eat depends Japanese korok. Some some of them are like bigger crumbs, some of them are smaller crumbs.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

Yeah, so what uh were they like yesaiimono? Yasai karoke, or they were like uh butaniku koroke or then did you have uh to paya. So uh kai kaimono, I think.

SPEAKER_02 6:58

Kaisen?

SPEAKER_00 6:59

Kaisen?

SPEAKER_02 7:00

Seafood? Yeah, kaiisen.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

Well, kai kai sen. Okay, kaiisen is.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

Did I go shopping? Yes. Kaimono.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

Oh man. Oh, I was thinking of like um shellfish.

SPEAKER_02 7:09

Ah, kai kai nan ko nan tinosode.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

So like mussels and clams and uh scallops, like all of those. Do they is there a word in Japanese for all of that kind of stuff? Agimas demo, nan nan daka wakalana.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

Kokai wakan.

SPEAKER_00 7:26

Okay. Um but uh yeah, I've had some good uh in Chicago, I had some paya there. There were there was like a tapas bar and um they had like uh they had flamenco dancing one night. I think it was flamenco, and it maybe it wasn't flamenco, but they had that uh castaneto. Castanets, yes. Oh yeah. So did you see any dancing in Spain? I'm I'm trying to draw through you. I'm trying to live vicariously through your experiences.

SPEAKER_02 7:58

I don't know the mod dance minakata si Spain demon dance minakata.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

Well, I guess everyone was just watching uh to boru. Yeah, Itsukashi. So no open mics. Did you do comedy anywhere on your travels?

SPEAKER_02 8:12

No, well, no. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Uh-huh. Did you talk to random strangers in the street and tell them how they too can learn Japanese on a podcast that you host and star in? No. Oh, that's okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:26

Oh, I I did not uh I want vacation, eh?

SPEAKER_00 8:31

I guess I never stop whenever I am traveling or going anywhere, I'm always just saying wear wearing my goat versus fish. Ah, su goi. It's to the annoyance of uh some uh my friends and family members, but hey, you know, you you gotta hustle in this life.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

Uh, last half of 2026.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

Yeah, we're almost at the uh second half of the year.

SPEAKER_02 9:02

Yeah, hi aye.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

And we still have not decided. I I guess this was a gift to me.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

So is it for me to decide what to do with Daruma sangue? What to fill in the eye? I'm only gonna fill in the eye of Daruma san once I know what the goal is. Oh. Right? So I have an idea.

SPEAKER_03 9:19

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

I get another Daruma, and I fill in the eye of that Daruma, and the goal for the first Daruma is to figure out the goal for the second Daruma. And then once I figure out the goal for the second Daruma, I fill in the eye of the first Daruma.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

Sugumega I Disol. Maybe like uh within like a few minutes, like ah, I decided.

SPEAKER_00 9:40

Well, this I feel like this could be a good uh sort of Japanese-English uh comedy skit. You get it's like a whole, it's like daruma da daruma domino. Oh no, but it's the idea is that you line up all the daruma and you say, okay, the goal for this Daruma is to finish that Daruma, and the goal for the third Daruma is to finish the second Daruma, and the goal of so when you fill in one eye and go it it filling in one eye sets a domino chain effect that fills in the eyes of all the other Daruma.

SPEAKER_02 10:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

Well, I mean, hey, uh I d yeah, I guess so. Because yeah, you could have all these doubting moments. Wow, you have so many goals.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

Yeah, yeah, so many goals.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Well, you know, yeah, I have I have 50 goals, and uh the goal is to each goal is to just finish the goal that finishes the other goal.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

Oh, some people have bucket list?

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Yeah, yeah. Oh, this is okay. This is a nihongoto English product idea.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

Bucket.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

It's like a daruma, but it's in the shape of a bucket.

SPEAKER_02 10:51

Ah, but daruma bucket bucket.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Yeah. And it's you just it looks like a bucket and you have eyes and you fill in the bucket. And it's like and you put your lit and you put a list in it. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 11:03

Yeah. So but if you have like 50 things in a bucket, and then when you finish 50, then you get to put the eye in?

SPEAKER_00 11:14

I guess so. I'm just imagining a totally Oh, there's a there's a word for this, uh, or at least uh the Japanese are famous for it. There's Japanese um there are books about it. Oh it's like these useless inventions.

SPEAKER_02 11:29

Like um Oh, I've seen something like uh uh none uh eye mask with eyes on, so you look like your eyes are open, but you can sleep.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

When you're sleeping, yeah, or like high heel shoes that have little brooms like coming out the front of the shoe, so it's like oh you can sol uh uh solito uh uh uh soji de kimo.

SPEAKER_02 11:59

Iseki nicho. Iseki nicho. Yeah. One stone, two birds.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

Yeah, but it's more like iseki nicho, it's more like uh nisekicho. Because they're in the whole idea is that it looks like it's trying to solve the problem, but actually it's just making it more complicated.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

Yeah, but one I I've somebody gave me those slippers that get all so no slipa no soldish naka. Ah, more more problems created.

SPEAKER_00 12:30

Exactly, two stones, one bird. But they look funny. Uh so I feel like make a bucket. Uh-huh. It's got a handle. A bucket. Handuru bucket, but it it's it's painted like a dharuma. And with the eyes.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

Oh, and a face on.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Yeah, it's painted like a dharuma. And then inside the bucket, you attach almost like um almost like a toilet paper holder that's got paper on it. So you can write a list and it's inside the bucket. So then you can't really use the bucket to put things in because it just contains there's just a list in the bucket, but it also looks like a dharuma. I think this is this would be an amazing product.

SPEAKER_02 13:07

I'm I'm gonna name it Daruima.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

Daru ima? Yeah, Daru.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

No, Darui and Iima. Oh, Darui is is what like halantin or darui te.

SPEAKER_00 13:17

I mean, I can tell by your body and it's a bit more.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

Yeah, daru. How do we say daru?

SPEAKER_00 13:21

It looks like you're kind of being like uh it almost looks like Mendolkusai. It's like, oh, this is too much, it's annoying.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

Yeah, annoying. Darui. Darui.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

Yeah, let's look up Darui. Yeah. I like this word. And but Daruima. Daruima. Well, you know what that sounds like?

SPEAKER_02 13:37

Uh Daruma.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

We said Daruima, and I immediately thought of the cartoon Daria. Ah. But she's she kind of has that.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

Oh, she does. Oh. Daru.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

I mean she wouldn't move around as much, but everything's kinda like eh. Sounds kind of like a combination of uh Ayash kute mendokusai.

SPEAKER_02 13:58

Ayashi Ayashi? Yeah. Like skeptical. Are you skeptical?

SPEAKER_00 14:03

Yeah, well, you look kind of like you were not so sure about it. Uh, not sure. No. Yeah, like I don't know about that. Ah. Uh-huh. Oh, to have a daru. Well, what what does Daru mean? Does Daru have a word? Because ima also means now. Yeah. So can we can the Daru mean something that Well, there's a picture, Darubishu. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:35

Daru people call him Daru.

SPEAKER_00 14:37

The Darubishu, like a Dervish? Yeah, Darush. What is that about?

SPEAKER_02 14:41

Oh, that's his that's his last name, Darubishu.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Oh. Uh Daruma Darubishu.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

Then we have to get uh permission from him. Ah, so you must say Darubishu san and Atarasi Daruma or Urundiskit or Daru no ji kash dek dasai.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

When you say Darubishu, I always think of the whirling dervishes. Ah. This is mostly what I do on the show. I just take Japanese words and then think of a homophone, a word in English or another language that sounds the same. It's like, oh, isn't it interesting how these two words sound alike? This is called being quick witted, ladies and gentlemen. Um Well I think the Daru Daruima is a great idea. And I think it would be a good art project.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

Yeah, it's a useless invention.

SPEAKER_00 15:26

Yeah, I'll buy a a bucket from Home Depot, I'll paint it like a Daruma, and I'll put a list inside of it. And you'll see. You'll see if I maybe that's what I should do. I should fill in one eye. No, I think I've decided what I'm gonna do for for this Daruma. So I'm gonna I I need to uh get I'm gonna get a marker right now. Oh, Sharpie. Yeah. Well look, we don't the Sharpie's not a sponsor.

SPEAKER_02 15:49

We don't have to no. Don't say Sharpie. Marker. You say marka.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

This Daruma is going to have Aoi me.

SPEAKER_02 15:57

Aoi meh.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

Aoiimeh.

SPEAKER_02 15:58

Buru Aizu.

SPEAKER_00 16:00

Hi. So this is going to be for 10,000 downloads on the Hongo Tony.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

We are the 1616.

SPEAKER_00 16:07

Yeah. It's a modest goal, but I think when we started the podcast, if we were like, oh, we're going to get to 10,000 in no time, we would have gone, oh. Oh, I don't know about that. Who knows? Or here we go. Yay. What do you think? Should I make him like a little cross-on?

SPEAKER_02 16:23

Are we supposed to be on the is it supposed to be on the right or left? Is there is there?

SPEAKER_00 16:27

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 16:28

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

I have no idea either.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

Ah.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

But um Miggy Mint. That's okay if I do it wrong, then it just means I I need to accomplish the goals. Make it so nobody knows. Here's two ten thousand downloads.

SPEAKER_02 16:51

Yo, it's gumbozo. Yay.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

Powerful magic.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

Now I I've set the goal, I've set the intention.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

Are we supposed to date it somewhere or no?

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Um I mean we could. Are we? What day is today? What what day is this? June twune 30th? June twenty no? June. June twenty eighth. June twenty eighth? I'll put it on the bottom here. Twenty-eighth. Who knows when you're listening to this?

SPEAKER_02 17:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yosh Gambarozo.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

I don't know if I can read the twenty-sixth, but we feas you get that June 2026. We'll have this podcast to remind us.

SPEAKER_02 17:45

Uh yay. Yay. Gambalo. It's been a while.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

Yeah, well uh Kazihita. So Kazahita. Sonato, uh Arizona.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

Oh so the Kaji de Kajakura no kuna.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

I saw this right. Uh Kajiwa uh Auto this.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

Auto Monlubiya. Monlubi was it uh uh some warehouse?

SPEAKER_00 18:17

Yeah, it was a warehouse in it wasn't Monroe. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

But Shuka is like the fire started. Chinka?

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Chinka?

SPEAKER_02 18:30

Chinka?

SPEAKER_00 18:30

Chinka.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

Yeah, is the fire ceased.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Okay. Yeah. So uh Kajiwachinka this.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

Okay. I chinka shima stuff past. But it's kind of far.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

Yeah, but uh it actually reminded me of when I was in uh Tolkamachi for the uh the Daijishin. Uh Fukushima nojishin. And I was like maybe 300 uh Kirome Toruka. I forget if it was three hundred kilometers, three hundred miles. But from um Shingenji. Yeah, uh there I was in Athekan. Um or from Fukushima and of course all the news was like, oh, you've got a mountain range, you're in a valley, you know, the radiation's not gonna get that far. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And but you know, I'm not a scientist. Yeah, yeah. And I'm going, well, they're saying it's not gonna get that. But like all that needs to happen is for me to wake up tomorrow and the news to be like, ah, well, actually, we accidentally got it wrong. Actually, it is over there. Yeah. I was looking at the fire reports and the air quality reports, and it was like, Oh, you're probably gonna be fine in Encino. Uh-huh. But then I was like, shouldn't why not just wait another day just to make sure that it's really funny? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then if it's still looking good, I'll come back. It just seemed like why why why risk it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When there's solar panels burning on the roof.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

Oh, solar panel. Yeah. Yeah. And solar panel carashukos.

SPEAKER_00 20:12

Yeah. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 20:13

And that's scary.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

Yeah, it is. And also lots of fish and poultry and frozen food. Oh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

The frozen food didn't seize the fire.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

No. It was fuel.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

And you didn't get the fire and ice. You didn't get the grilled. You didn't get the grilled chicken.

SPEAKER_00 20:32

Oh gosh, no. Oh gosh, no. But yeah, we're okay. Everyone's fine. Or at least I'm fine. I'm okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

I think we are on Genki.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

Alright.

SPEAKER_02 20:42

Page 93.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

It's in lesson three. And number four. Yeah. Iku and kudu.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

Oh, Iku and Kuru. Classic verbs.

SPEAKER_02 20:54

Ah.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

To go and to come. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:57

So when you move to a place where the hearer is.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Oh, the hearer.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

Hearer. Hearer.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

Oh, the listener.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:05

They say hearer?

SPEAKER_02 21:06

Yeah, it says hearer.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

I would put listener. Come on, but listener. Because hearer makes it sound like it's here. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 21:14

When you m when you move to a place where the listener is, you say, I'm coming in English. However, in the same situation, ikimasu is used in Japanese. Kuru is a movement toward the place where the speaker is, while iku is a movement in a direction away from the speaker.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

Wait, Iku is a direction away from the speaker or away from the speaker.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

Iku, yeah, away from the speaker.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

Okay, yeah, that kind of makes sense to me. Yeah. But kudu yeah, that makes sense in English, like, oh come here. You're gesturing to someone that come towards my position. Right. Whereas if you were to say if I wanted you to go to somewhere else that wasn't where I am, I would say, Oh, go over there, please. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

So that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 22:02

Okay. And chotto is literally means a little, a bit, a small amount. As in chotok dasai, please give me a little.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

Oh, we're adding a chotto.

SPEAKER_02 22:14

And chotomate kadasai, please wait for a moment. It is commonly used for a polite refusal.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

Oh, just to say.

SPEAKER_02 22:28

In this case, it means inconvenient or impossible and so on. Japanese people don't normally reject requests. Or invitations with i. No, we don't say no. Because it sounds too direct. Ah.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

I've noticed this in anime, like if uh either that I've watched or that like comes up in my short speed.

SPEAKER_03 22:52

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

If you're watching, even if it's just like a anime for like high schoolers or whatever, yeah. Um there'll be a clip and someone will say, Um, oh we shouldn't need Kohini Gimaska. And someone will be some will someone say choto. But in the in the anime, just for comedic effect, someone will just be like, either and then the face on the other person will be like, oh my god, they just like rejected me so hard. It's like, oh, how how crazy that they just said no so flatly. Like it's uh so emotionally disruptive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

Yeah. So that's an example. Do you be ni ego matenka?

SPEAKER_00 23:29

Doyobiwa choto. But let me go back to Iku and Kukin. Yeah, Iku and Kuru. Okay. Yeah. So let's say you're at Takyubin. Yeah, let's say you're at the the Takyubin, which is itself a place for delivery, uh, and I am um not at the Takyubin, and you want me to come to the Takubin, I could say to you, Takubi nikimas. Hi. But you would tell say to me, Takyubi nikitekudasai.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

Hi. If you are at Takubin.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

Well you yeah, you would say to me because you were at the Takubin. You would say kitekudasai. I would say hi ikimas.

SPEAKER_02 24:10

Hi.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

So yeah, I couldn't I wouldn't say takubin niki kiteimas.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

Hi. If you are already there.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

No, I'm saying if I'm if I'm gonna meet you there, I'm at home. If you said uh kite kudasai, I couldn't respond with hi ikimos. I would say hi ikimas.

SPEAKER_01 24:24

Uh hi ikimos.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. That feels right.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Because I'm going.

unknown 24:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

Ikimas.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

Uh but then let's say you are at place A and I'm at place B, uh, and you want me to go to place C.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

Ikekudasai. You would say iku, and I would also say ikimas. Ikimas. Ikimas. Okay. Yeah. So you say come to me, I go to you. You, yeah. Yeah. Or I just go in general. Yeah. Ikimas.

SPEAKER_02 24:53

Uh, nanaky. Oh, Takeistan.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

Yeah, whatever happened to them.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

Takeistan to mearisama kyoto.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

This is a terrible book. They just introduce these plot threads and then just drop them immediately. It's like, come on. I feel like by the time we get through like Genki Book Seven, they should be like married and like divorced and remarried and have kids. Yeah. Yeah. It should be like a whole soul soap opera. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

A dorama.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

Yeah. Very dramatic. I remember I in Spanish class they made me watch this show called Destinos, which is like a Spanish soap opera.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

Spanish Dramatic.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

Yeah. We were like high schoolers watching these like adults have very adult soap opera problems. We're going like, hmm. They're actually not too different from high schoolers who have love triangles. Right. Yeah. Oh, um, for those of you wanting to learn some Japanese and are just starting, so chotomate. Hi. Chotomate. Hi. That sounds like a whole phrase, which it is. Yeah. But mate is just the te form of matsu, which is uh to wait. Yeah. So matsu, machimas, I wait. Mateimas, I'm waiting. Matsimasen, I'm not waiting. Uh so yeah, chotomate is literally just uh wait a little bit. So mate is just the te form of matsu to wait. Right. That's why when people say to me chotomate, I often respond with matemas. I'm waiting. Chotomate. Hi, matemas. I'm waiting.

SPEAKER_02 26:26

Yeah. And then the next one is hi. Both hai and e means yes in response to uh e.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

Right. How convenient. But e can kind of mean I think uh I think real real Japan had a whole video about e how e could just mean anything you want depending on your inflection. Yeah. Eh.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

Eh.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

I got such a big laugh. I was taking a Japanese uh proficiency test in uh Daigakuin Japanese class. Uh-huh. I had to talk to someone over the phone and sort of enact a scenario uh in Japanese while my professor was like watching me and sort of like grading me on my Japanese speaking. Speaking with this uh person on the phone. So the the situation was you're at an airport and uh you're going through uh your baggage claim and they explain this all in Japanese to you, of course. And then um, but like their one of your bags is missing. You know, and so you now you have to go to like the bag registry and you have to, you know, ask about like where your bag is or you know what what you want to do about that. And um and so they started talking to me, you know, in the role-playing scenario, and then the first thing I responded with was um nihong uh choto uh sonani jozu dewanaikara choto yukuri hanash de kota. I was like, well, that's what I would do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'll say it. And then they were like, Oh, I guess I didn't know that they were missing my bag. I guess I had learned that. And so they um uh what's what's luggage again? Yeah, Nimotsu. They were like, uh uh Nimotsu, uh Fun Shitsu. Oh, Fun Shitsu is like it's not here.

SPEAKER_02 28:14

It's missing.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

It's missing. They might have said that, or they might just say they didn't come on the plane. And I was very surprised because you know, I expect better from Japanese service rankers. And then I was like, oh, can I just wait around? They're like, no, you can't wait around. Oh, is there like a business hotel nearby? Oh yeah, there's you know something nearby. And um, oh my gosh, I forgot entirely the point of what I was talking about. What were we just talking about? It oh, right, right. So when they said, Oh, like your luggage isn't here, and that and then my my response was eh, and my Japanese teacher just started laughing, like, oh that I don't know, maybe it just like sounded too natural. Too natural, yeah. Yeah, that was the the disappo my disappointment in my eh like a surprise and disappointment at the same time. Yeah. And then this just sounds like Tim Allen from Tool Time.

SPEAKER_02 29:17

Yeah, it says in more informal situation, I got in trouble for one time.

SPEAKER_00 29:22

Yeah, I had a Japanese teacher and she kept explaining things to me and was going, mm, mm. She was like, Don't do that.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

Yeah, don't do that too. Yeah, rude.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

Oh. I didn't well. I wasn't trying to be rude. I was trying to I was trying to communicate like I'm listening, I hear I'm responding.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

Hi, hi.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

Eh, eh.

SPEAKER_02 29:43

Yeah. Hi is also used to response to uh knock at the door or to the calling of one's name, meaning here, as follows. Uh Sumisan. Hi.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

Marizaki san.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

Hi. Now I'm like, why here? Koko.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

Koko koko medon.

SPEAKER_02 30:03

Okay, we are on page 94. Practice length. Tabemas. Change the following verbs into masu and masen.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

Oh, so there were no and kudu. They were just explaining it to us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, maybe we'll get into some examples later. Yeah. But yeah, sure, let's do some taberu. I love taberu. My favorite thing to do.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

Yeah, ignore the word in English for this exercise. So example, taberu. Hambaga, makud naruto, koji.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

Makutanarodo kaitemasu.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

So hanbaga o makutonaruto de koji ni tabemas. That's the example. So that's kiku music. Home 430.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

Oh, I see. They just wanted to put the words together. Yeah. Okay. Uh uh Yoji han ni ie de ongaku kikimas.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

Yay! Oh, we should also do masen. Oh, sure.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

Ie de yoji han ni aimono oshimasen.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

Aimono?

SPEAKER_00 31:10

Uh what did I think aimono was like? Washing the dishes or something? Alaimono? Araimono. This is this is good. We're we're knocking off the rust here.

SPEAKER_02 31:17

But it's supposed to be kikuyo. Well, but I already said kimas. I know, I know. But you won't they want you to say kikimasen.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

This plot makes no sense. I want to say I am listening to music. I'm not doing this other thing.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

I think it should be like She's such a taskmaster. No, it's just I know she's listening, but uh ignore. Like Yo jihan ni ide ongako kikimasen.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

Fine.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

Niba no mu.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Alright.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

And coffee kafe sanji.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

Sanjini kafe de kohi onomimasen.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Hi, bipo bi bong.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

Sanjini kahe de kohi onomimasen. Yay! I will not drink coffee at three in the cafe.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

No, never.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

It sounds like it's Dr. Sue stuff. I will not eat it in a house. I will not eat it with a mouse.

SPEAKER_02 32:07

And the hanasu samban hanasured Ohio, Ohio, Japanese college every day.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

Ohio. Oh, that's what you're saying. Ohio. Yeah. So Mainichi every day. Mainichi Daigakude Nihongo Hanashimas.

SPEAKER_02 32:26

Yay.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

I speak Japanese at college every day. Hanashima Mainichi Daigakude Nihongo oh Hanashima sen.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

Yay! Dayomu num number four Yomu. Uh magazine library niji.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

Yomu to read.

SPEAKER_02 32:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

I'm gonna say uh gozen niji. Ni uh Toshokan. Toshokan de Hi Zashi Oh Yomimasi. I read uh magazines at 2 a.m. in the library. It doesn't say gozen or go go, so it could be either one. Uh studio de Ima Nanji desk. Like it sounds like kyochi refuse. Yeah, I will not say that I don't read the magazine in the library too.

SPEAKER_02 33:45

Okay, what about number five? Miru to watch.

SPEAKER_00 33:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:48

Uh Tedebi T V home tonight.

SPEAKER_00 33:51

Kongbang Uchi De? Hi. Terebi O Mimas. Yay. Kongban Ide Tedabi ol Mimasen. Yay.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

Number six.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Looks like uh tennis usur? Is that a tenis? Hi tenisu.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

Hi, Tenisu, school, Saturday.

SPEAKER_00 34:13

Okay, I'm leaning in with the mic here. Okay. Doyobini Do I need to say ni with Doyobi or?

SPEAKER_02 34:20

Yeah, Doyobini, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:21

Doyobini Gaku de Tenisu Oshima.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

Yay!

SPEAKER_00 34:27

Doyobi ni gakode tenisu oshima sen.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

Yay. Ben kyosuru. Nanobang.

SPEAKER_00 34:33

Ben kyosuru.

SPEAKER_02 34:34

Japanese library. Oh, she likes library. And we can.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

Kon shumatsu? Or just shumatsu? And is that a ni also? We just went over this in the last time we did it, but I forget which one's.

SPEAKER_02 34:47

You don't have to, but you could.

SPEAKER_00 34:49

I guess kyo doesn't usually take an e, right?

SPEAKER_02 34:52

But yeah, kyo, you don't say kyo ni, but kyo.

SPEAKER_00 34:54

Okay, but shumatsuni. Toshokande. Nihongo olben kyoshimas.

SPEAKER_02 35:01

Yay, what about shinai?

SPEAKER_00 35:04

Uh Toshokande, Shumasuni, Nihongo Ben Kyoshima sen.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

Ah Kyoto ni Takara Takesan.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

Kyoto?

SPEAKER_02 35:14

Yeah, Mary San Kyoto ni Takesan to Takara Shimatsuni. Nihongo na Gabenkyoshiru Baija naiba.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

Ah, demo uh Izakaya de uhonihon biru uh uh non de uh benkyoshimas.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

Abiri ponkoda sai.

SPEAKER_00 35:34

Chotoi yapara chata de uhanashiasuides.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

Ah, so.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

Hanashias kunarimas. Ah. Damin natuur.

SPEAKER_02 35:46

Andame na chao. A hajiban iku dakido. There's no no words, so you I guess you could make it up. Oh, but it's a post office. You bing kyoku.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

You bing kyoku. Hi, ikut. Ima you bing kyokuni ikimas.

SPEAKER_02 36:00

Yay. What about ikimasen?

SPEAKER_00 36:03

Ima you bing kyokuni ikimasen.

SPEAKER_02 36:06

Hi. Ja kairu.

SPEAKER_00 36:09

Hi. Hi, kai mas. Kai kai masen. Well, I guess you don't need any of the details really. No, there's a i. There's no there's no ignorance i or i. Is there really no English or are we just supposed to ignore them? They told us to ignore it.

SPEAKER_02 36:26

Well there's yeah, ignore, but I don't know. I really don't know. Yeah, but here they have why would they have those words?

SPEAKER_00 36:33

I don't know. Maybe they just want to teach you here like uh they got the arrow. So it's like this is an iku situation. Like you're going to the Iku um kyoku. And here you're ieni kai you could also ieni modoru, but kairu is for home specifically.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

Yeah. Kaidonai. Ieni kai masen. Hi.

SPEAKER_00 37:02

Uhisu? Maybe it's an ofisu. Now this doesn't make any sense because for uh the Oeru who's walking to the Yubin Kyoku, there's like an arrow pointing to the Yubin Kyoku. Like that's the direction she's walking, and it says Iku. And then the other one there's an arrow pointing to the building and it says kudu.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

I think because you are supposed to be right here on this side. Oh, the building is like closer to you.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

Oh, okay. So kudu. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:31

But that he's so huge, he's taller than the building.

SPEAKER_00 37:35

Wow, yeah, he's like Gojira size.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

Yeah, go and gariba.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

Yeah, maybe he's like um a guy who works in the props department at a movie and he's going to his job where he makes uh miniature buildings.

SPEAKER_02 37:48

Ah, gojira no.

SPEAKER_00 37:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

And ja ito huntai opposite to kuru. I mean uh tabemas tabemasen.

SPEAKER_00 37:57

Oh yeah. Ofisu nikimasen. Karewa ofisu nikimasen.

SPEAKER_02 38:03

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

Not ni ikimasen, but ni kimasen. Yeah. Yeah. When you speak fast, they can some they can sometimes sound like each other. Yeah. If because you have the e from the ni. So nikimasen is n you're not coming to the thing, but ni ikimasen. You gotta listen for that extra e to make sure you you're hearing the right verb.

unknown 38:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 38:25

Number 11, okiru. To wake up.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

Uh gozen ju ichiji han ni okimasen deshta.

SPEAKER_02 38:36

Okay, hold on. You gotta do okiru first.

SPEAKER_00 38:41

I was telling real life stories. Oh, your life real life story. Alright. Alright. Ashta okimas.

SPEAKER_02 38:50

Oh, not the ashta wa gets you bitakala. Hi. Tahan Hachi Shima nyokinaito.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

Hi goes in Shichiji ni okimas. Morning mooningu motivational. Hi. Morning motivational number one hundred one.

SPEAKER_02 39:05

One no one.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

Yeah, maybe on the next episode when we're recording the intro, I should talk about how I had did my 100th episode. Hi. Again, I all I can think is uh uh I'll do I'll just say um Hoteru de Nemas. Hi Comban Nemasen Zutto Party Arrol not sleep in the night never sent the night die nemasent. So would you say like uh I forget it New Yorku New Yorku uh Zutto Nenaimachi To Iwari teaching the city that never sleeps Well that was ganky indeed.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

That was ganky this karichata takala mo wari in the wadi Daruma.

SPEAKER_00 40:07

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SPEAKER_02 40:37

Um thank you for listening.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

Yeah, um we should uh check the email though. Did we get any messages? Any messages or email?

SPEAKER_02 40:46

I don't think so, but we feel lonely. Come sabi si.

SPEAKER_00 40:50

Yeah, but hey, we've been getting the listen, so that's yeah what's important.

SPEAKER_02 40:54

Yeah, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 40:56

Yeah, thank you so much for listening, and bye-bye.

SPEAKER_02 40:58

Bye bye, matane, ha chane.

SPEAKER_00 41:09

Uh top muss.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

Yay!

SPEAKER_00 41:17

Yay, bye bye, ha chanet.