Ep 7: She Left Everything. Twice. Here's What She Learned || Behnaz Sahaf

This one's personal.

This week I sat down with the most requested guest amongst my friends - my mum (Behnaz). She grew up in a small town in Iran, lived through the Islamic Revolution and the Iran-Iraq War, became a doctor, raised two kids, and then immigrated to Australia with no job, limited English, and no family around her. She did it once. Then she went back to Iran and did it all over again.

It took her eight years to get her fellowship as a GP in Australia. She started from scratch twice, at an age when most people are thinking about slowing down.

This conversation covers resilience, identity, what it means to be authentic, and why she believes life is far simpler than we make it.

One of the most honest, emotional episodes I've recorded. I hope it stays with you.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• Your why has to be bigger than the goal. Title and status won't carry you through hard seasons. Purpose will.
• Failure only exists when you're attached to one outcome. Reframe the setback as part of the path.
• Support systems are everything. Accepting help is a strength, not a weakness.
• You can start over at any age. She began her Australian registration when her peers back home were retiring.
• Authenticity is about values, not status. She never wanted the car or the clothes. She'd rather give the money away.
  Help without expecting anything back. The thing she's most proud of is help no one even knew she gave.
• Don't judge your past self by your present wisdom. You did the best you could with what you had.
• Life is simple. Be a good person. Do your best. That's enough.

TIME STAMPS:

00:00 - Introduction

02:52 - Growing up through the Islamic Revolution and the Iran-Iraq War

05:33 - Leaving Iran, studying medicine, and immigrating to Australia

09:41 - Starting over, a master's degree without knowing how to use a computer

17:05 - What people misunderstand about her

21:26 - The season of life that almost broke her

25:28 - Her relationship with failure and why she reframed everything

33:06 - Was there a time you were worried about me but said nothing?

40:41 - Her advice for anyone who feels lost right now

43:37 - Where she sees her future going

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Gina, you were one of the most highly requested guests.

SPEAKER_00 0:04

I can see the way you grow you started your business after you know lots of hard work. I arrived from uni in the past till I arrived on some of my friends in my home country. They are doctors starting to think about retirement. But I just started. I think there is no failure. You are the best version of me. Keep shining.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Did you know you were one of the most highly requested guests amongst my friends to have you on the podcast?

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Oh, really? Yeah. I'm very happy to hear that.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

I'm so glad that you're here today, mom. And thank you for your time. And this podcast means the world to me. So thank you for being here.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Oh, I'm feel so excited and a big honor. Oh my god. Yeah. And I feel very emotional. Why? Yeah, because I can see the way you grow, you started your business after, you know, lots of hard work. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Oh, thank you. That makes that.

SPEAKER_00 1:14

And I'm one of your big fans. I always looking for to see your new podcast. And I listen, listen, listen, and I learned. Yeah, the what you say and your guests say. It's uh very good, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

Oh, thank you. Let's not let's not cry at the beginning.

SPEAKER_00 1:40

I hope so, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

There's lots to uncover um today. But going back to the start, mom, for those who are listening, can you tell me a little bit about yourself, your life, and how you got to where you are today?

SPEAKER_00 1:58

Right. So um I was born in a small town with an extended family with my mom, with my dad, um, five sisters and two brothers. I'm the third one. And then uh yes, I went to primary school and extended family, also, you know, cousins, uncle, aunties, very supportive uh family. And um when I was in primary school, a very huge change in my life was when the Islamic revolution happened in Iran, and the life changed a lot. Imagine you were in the school without a scarf in you know uh um like a kingdom situation, and then um Islamic revolution happened a short period of time, uh, you know, break, and then we had to go to school with a scarf and lots of religious things. This is what one of the things that happened, and then as we I was so little, and then we went to middle school a few years back. Uh uh the war happened between Iran and Iraq. And yeah, I I remember when you know lots of funerals related to the people who passed who died during the war. Um but yeah, then again I went to high school. I remember when I was a student at high school, I was one of the top students. I always loved uh physics and maths. I like to be an engineer or study physics. Physic is and maths, especially physics is uh my main area of interest. But at that time, there was in my hometown, in the big cities, there were opportunities. But in my hometown, there was not opportunity for me to go that way, uh that pathway and study, you know, maths or physics or become engineer. So we had to go through a very competitive pro exam, which is Concour. We call it CONCOR in Iran, and um I had the only option to go through the uh medicine and you know, and yeah, so then I started studying medicine. I had to move to another city to study medicine because I couldn't go to uh university uh in my hometown. This is that one is one of the big challenges for me as well, you know, growing in a small city, then you and very supportive family, then you have to be independent in one night. Then I graduated, I came back to my hometown and started working in emergency, and then um um I started working in my own clinic uh and tried to help the people. Then I got married and yeah I while uh me and you and your sister lived with my mom and parents, and your dad was in capital in Tehran because uh uh your father decided to do his PhD in overseas. At that time there was not opportunity to study to do PhD in his um area. So yes, then we immigrated to Australia. Oh my god, very very big challenge for me, you know. Come moving from a working in a very, very uh busy uh GP clinic and then come and just sit at home and look after you and your sister. My main big challenge was when uh you know I I I missed my family a lot because as I said, I grown in a very emotional, very uh extended family. It was I remember for the first year when I immigrated, when we immigrated to Australia, I was sick, you know, too many too many symptoms that after lots of investigation we realized most of them were psychosomatic. Then I think I started to find myself and I started uh study at university. I did a master's degree and a PhD at that time. Then again, going back home, and at that time I started to work uh to practice medicine and also uh work as an academic, which is quite new for me, you know. Um I remember when I started um uh doing my master in Australia um in the first semester when I you know I went to the classes, I didn't understand most of the thing. And when the class finished, you know, I used to cry. I remember one day I cried from uni in the past till I arrived home because oh my god, too many new things, how I can manage it. And then yeah, when I did uh my master's degree, I couldn't believe even some subject I passed high distinction, you know. Lots of effort, lots of support from your dad, and love to you and to your sister. But yeah, I this one done. And yes, again, going back home, working as a doctor and academic, which is again, I usually don't like teaching, but this is part of what I had to do. But yeah, again, this was a big challenge for me. So I um again I started it to overcome on the challenges of being academic doctor and came back to Australia for the second time. Uh, and at that time I was thinking about if I want to go back to university and work as a researcher or I want to be a clinician. So it was a very difficult decision for me. I like research. As I said, I don't like teaching too much, but I always like to be a doctor because I think I always like to help the people. In any job, of course, you help the people directly or indirectly, but I think in medicine you uh you you help the people uh more directly. That's why at the end uh so um I decided yes to work as a GP. And I had the option to have uh you know more simple job, not going to that high responsibility like as a GP. But uh I thought maybe more people uh are available for less challenging jobs, but less people can can or like to you know to work as a doctor. And I realize Australia uh um in Australia we have a high demand for GPs, especially female GPs. Uh honestly, at the beginning when I started this pathway, I didn't think this could be high, very difficult pathway to get the registration and to be a GP. But yeah, I think uh um and even working as a GP a bit different to the your role and responsibilities as a GP in my home country, Iran. So again, most part is the same, but of course, the challenges. So, but at the you know, and as I said, I decided to be a GP. So uh oh my god, I went through that process of the exam, and lots of uh uh changes happened. Uh so because of COVID, for about two years there was no exam. This is one problem, and also I thought um um, you know, the exam could be easier, but when I went through that process, I'm glad I went through that process because it helped me to uh uh understand the Australian general practice and I update my knowledge, I become familiar with the system, but it was so difficult. And sometimes I was wondering if I go back, I I want to decide. I'm not sure if I, you know, I go through this process based on what I know from myself. I go through this process because when I decide, I do it, you know. I you know, yeah, I'm glad that I'm at this stage now.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

I know it took like eight years. Yes. Seven, eight years.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Yes, yeah, to to get the fellowship, you know, yeah. But it was not easy.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

Oh, 100%. I've I think um I've seen you go through it and also like you know, just there's lots of challenges that come on the way that you don't expect. And you know, COVID was one of the big challenges, and then moving to another city and moving again. So you're the biggest inspiration in my life, and I always look up to you because you always do things with a big smile, and also you're very strong and resilient. So I'm grateful to have you as my mom, and I love you for that. Uh, but my question is that as you were growing up and you, you know, moved different cities for study, you um moved countries at one point in your life, and you know, all these challenges that you experienced along the way. Were there moments that you had to hide parts of yourself in order to fit in?

SPEAKER_00 13:25

You know, growing in a country like in Iran, and especially in a traditional family and uh you know in a small uh city, uh of course lots of boundaries. As I mentioned, one of them I like to be a woman engineering or study physics, but there was not this opportunity. Also, when you grow in a traditional family almost, you have to follow all the rules or the regulations. For example, um when you were born in like in a situation like me in Iran, but when I came to Australia, even before that, I was not thinking, oh, there is opportunity for you not to get married, or when you get married over there in Iran, you always um have to have a child. I'm happy that uh I get married and I have children. I feel so lucky, but I never thought as a woman we can, you know, especially working in uh high responsibility jobs, you can uh live without marriage, without having children, and you know, and again, lots of um boundaries around you.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

You were in a job where it was high demand, you needed a lot of your time, it needed a lot of your energy. How did you go about it raising two kids at the start? And how like how was it when you moved countries? Because I'm sure like having a two-year-old and a four-year-old moving to Australia the first time, it was challenging itself. And then when we were born as well, can you run me through it?

SPEAKER_00 15:17

When when I was uh in Iran, as I said, I lived with my parents, very, very supportive family, you know, and it was so good, you know. My mom, uh, you know, she's so lovely, and she helped me, my sisters, you know. Um, at that time, your father was uh he lived in another city. So that one, without their support, I am sure it was not possible. Because especially in Iran, I didn't like to put you in childcare, you know. At that time that helped me a lot. And then when we moved to Australia, oh my god, it was you know so challenging. Uh but I can say uh even now, my main, I always put you and your dad uh as a first priority and then job as second. So at that time, yes, we started to live together when we moved to Australia, and huge amount of support till now from your father, which without his support, it was not possible to do that, you know. And uh uh as I said, I had to do a master PhD, and when I was at university doing a study, anything, you were at home with your dad, and I always um I never was worried about you because I knew he's looking after you very well. Yeah, this helped me a lot, and again, uh the support from the communities around Iranian and Australian both, whenever we needed there were hands that you know uh to help us and support us, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Yeah, very true, very true. And I want to ask as well what is something that people misunderstand about you when they see you first.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

I think uh I had one um challenge since since I was little, more in my home country, in our culture, less here. I'm uh uh a straightforward person. I always put being honest at the priority. I cannot say or behave something I don't believe. So if uh and I'm a person who question a lot, I don't accept anything easily, especially if I can see a person or a society is betrayed, or if I uh can see something is against the moral. Do you know what I mean? And since I was little, I questioned my teacher, even the older people or the parents, or some people who say something that uh you know I cannot just sit and be in silence. And this always one of the challenges that I had, but still I keep going, you know. I if I see something is not uh right, I don't want the people to accept what I think or what I do, but sometimes something is obvious. For example, you see some people say something to betray some other people, or you know, to make or some people are in trouble or under stress because of the other people. I cannot be silent.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

Um, but also I want to understand what does being authentic to you really mean?

SPEAKER_00 19:23

I think um um I always like a very, very simple life and help the other people. Uh even if I have some money, I like to help the other people, you know, and having very simple life, you know, I don't like to live as a you know uh have a luxury life. And especially when I was in my home country, you may know that especially being a doctor, the people are very, you know, have very luxury life. I've never been like this. But again, as I said, over there in Iran, there are lots of uh boundaries, you know, and some sometimes you have to be like those people who have luxury life to to communicate with them, to be with them. But I it's I never enjoyed that life. And when we came this Australia, uh I feel more freedom to be myself, you know. For example, if you when you work as a doctor in my home in Iran, uh you have to wear such those clothes, you have to wear such jewelries, have a high-class car. I never enjoyed that part of life. I'm happy for the other people when they have. If they have, they deserve. I I'm happy for them, I but I don't like to be like them. I prefer to be myself, as you said. Very simple life, very, you know, um, but you know, my main priority is help to uh the other people. For example, instead of having a car that costs hundreds and thousands of dollars. I prefer to have a simple car, but I uh help the money to the people who need that. This is one of the things, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Yeah, I I've certainly I've certainly seen that.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Um I wanna go a little bit deeper. Um, what's a season of your life that almost broke you, but it really didn't, and you came out of it stronger.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

I think one part went for the first time when we came to your Soralia again, when I came. I didn't uh shifting from uh uh you know very busy GP and live with family, very supporting family, moving to Australia. I didn't have a job and not I missed my family a lot. That's what time was so difficult. And as I said, for one year I had those vertigo chest pain, too many things I had to go through. Lots of, and the doctors became worried about me, send me for scans, MRI endoscopy. But uh, you know, and my English was not that good. My uh as a doctor, always my reading and writing not bad, but listening, speaking, you know, and uh but you know, and my role totally changed to just look after you and your sister. But after one year, I think it took me a long time, but with the support and encouragement of your father, then I decided, oh, let's do something. Let's and then again I started my master's degree. As I said, you know, my master's degree was most about the research. I didn't know anything. And when I came to Australia, I never touched the keyboard, and I didn't know anything about computer. And I I remember for the first semester I went to the classes, I didn't understand what the lecturers say, and again, some days, as I said, as soon as class finished, I started crying, cry, cry. But you know, after that I graduated with a top degree in my master, I finished my PhD. Yeah, this is one stage. And then again, um when we came back for the second time and went through the process of uh registration, it was another difficult time, you know, but um going to this exam to the next exam, and you know, and then you know, yeah, when so you finish your exam, and because for a few years I used to we have to work under supervision, that which is not bad. Always you have supervisors to go and ask questions, and then no, you finish your fellowship, you are a specialist in general practice and you have to work independently, and I always feel very, very responsible for my patients. So, yes, it was not easy to go through that process, but it's done.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

Yeah, yeah. And I think um one of the points that you mentioned around how you were when we first moved to Australia in the first year, you were like going through you were so lost in a way, and then having to then you were like, you know, after a year, you're like, okay, what's next? I think I really get that what's next um mindset from you and wanting to do bigger, bigger things. Um, but through all of these, you've had challenges, and then like I know and I've witnessed you go through multiple failures. What's your relationship with failure now, given that you've gone through all these challenges, you failed a lot of times. How do you view it now and what has it taught you?

SPEAKER_00 25:43

I think there is no failure because uh when you put an outcome for yourself, you can feel the failure. But if you now, if I understand we when we go to a pathway, we need to enjoy uh uh you know passing through the path. This helps a lot. For example, most of my exams only I passed them, I passed in the first item. I thought that I must pass in the first time. Uh I remember, you know, even you when I you and your sister, and you know, when I was through those parasites, you used to tell me anything I told you when you had exam. Oh mom, no worries, you know, your health is important. Mom, if you fail, no worries, you can do second time, you know. Yeah. Now I can see, you know, if we put uh realistic goals, it makes life easier for you. For example, now at this age, my main goal is to help to the other peoples. Even at this stage, my goal was is not to be a doctor, is not to be a specialist, is not to have this, that. So a big big goal is to help to the other peoples. Now to help to the peoples, I decided to be a GP. And then you go through those exams. So go through this pathway, do your best, enjoy your life, and then done, you know. But before that, I think uh I put the goal to be a GP and to pass the exam for the first time, you know? This makes life difficult.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

Yeah, I think you really know your why in life, of why you want to be doing a certain thing. And then that why is so bigger for you that you know, even if you do fail, even if you do go through challenging moments, you're still like, okay, it's it's part of the journey, right? And then because ultimately your goal is that you want to help people, and that gets you going through your next exam, through, okay, let me do this, let me let me help my children, let me help the society, let me help all these things. So no, I really, I really love that.

SPEAKER_00 28:20

Yeah, and it's not like to be a GP to help the other people. Always there are different ways. I remember when I finished my uh first few exams waiting for registration. I work in H care as a carer, you know? Yeah, and even some friends asked me, oh, you used to work as a doctor. How can you work as a carer? And I to me it was the same, you know. This was work as a carer, help to the people that uh they need you, and I enjoyed it. I never felt, you know, oh, I need to do to work always as a doctor. And then now as a doctor, again, the same thing. The people they need head and they come and I do my best, you know. I cannot see at this age not difference. Even, you know, and you ask me about the challenges. One of the big challenges for me, you know, I went through all the process of exams registration in my home country. At that time, I was much younger. I had less responsibilities and full of energy. So this time in Australia, oh my God, I'm older, you know. And even the people uh, you know, ask me, even some of my friends in my home country, they are doctors starting to think about retirement. But I just started, you know. And sometimes some people, even examiner, ask me, you know, what is your motivation? Again, I do my best. Even now I work full-time, and many people ask me, oh, how do you work five days a week? You know, and if you see me at the end of the day, I have more energy. I feel uh more, uh I look more happy compared to the when I start in the morning. Yeah, because at the end of the day, I feel I did my best to help the other people. I I am sure, like everybody, I'm not a perfect person, but I am more than 100% sure uh every day, every moment, I do my best to help to the other people, which gives me a very good feeling, you know, a better feeling to just sit as at home, do nothing, just go holiday and enjoy, you know.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

Yeah, I get you. I want to ask who inspired you the most when you were younger? And is it still the same person, people? Who's your biggest inspiration in life?

SPEAKER_00 31:09

I mean, uh, I may not say uh the person, my aims. Uh, growing in Iran, and you can see lots of uh challenges, lots of shortage, and thinking of the people, even in my home country around the world, my main inspiration is to help to the people. And whenever I see a very successful person, you know, and it's not when I say successful, it doesn't I don't mean just what the people, you know, uh what degree they have, how much money they make. Exactly. You know, when I see the people who who do their best to the other people, everybody can be inspiration for me. For example, if I want to give you an example, my mom. My mom doesn't have an academic degree, and you know, she has a simple life, but I always see in raising children she is the best, you know. And so again, any person, whenever I look at everybody, I can see in the world, any person who uh do their best, they work really hard. This person is inspiration for me. I I I can see how they help me, and then uh I need to do my best to help the other people as well. And you are one of my inspiration as always the way I can see how you know you work really hard when I look at your aims, your inspiration, you know, and what you do, and you never uh afraid of any failure, anything? I always it gives me a big motivation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

Okay. Okay. Um, you're very sweet. Now I want to ask a little bit questions about myself, yes, in your lens that you view me, right? So was there a time that you were worried about me, but you didn't really say anything?

SPEAKER_00 33:28

As a mom, as a grown in a culture like in our culture, I think always is 24 hours per day. Worry about your child. It doesn't matter how old you are, even when you are 100 years old, I'm worried about you, you know, because you are uh the most precious possession that I have in in the world. So then you can imagine I should be worried about you. But every day, every day, when I look at what you do, I believe you and it gives me more confidence to less worry. And now at the moment, I think the this worry I have is just motherhood worrying because uh, you know, not just a real worry, because I can see you looking after yourself very well, I can see your confidence, I can see your uh hard work. It's not uh I'm not worried, you know, uh at this estate, just a natural motherhood worrying. I trust you and I believe your bright future.

SPEAKER_01 34:48

But what was there a point in time that you were worried?

SPEAKER_00 34:51

Of course. You know, when you were little, for example, being in teenagers, you were teenager, especially you um what made me worry? You don't you didn't scare anything and you wanted to try everything, you know. This made me worry. Oh my god, you cannot try everything, you know. And I always try to tell you sometimes you cannot try something, you know. You can learn from the other people, they tried something, this is not good, you know. But you always told me, no, mom, I want to try everything, you know. And I remember when you were little, when you were in middle school, if I want to give you an example, you used to miss several times, mom. I want to live alone as soon uh uh you know the day after my 18 years' uh birthday. And in Iran, it's not possible, it's not as much safe. And then I remember you were later, I started to say, no, mom, oh no, live with us, we do this for you. Say, no, no, I want to live a little bit. I think we had moments we both cried exactly, and then cried, and I realized it didn't work, sometimes a little bit fight, and I remember your father told me, let she reach that age, then you negotiate. Why are you talking a million times about something that may happen in five? This was it made me so worry. Oh my god, if we are in Iran and she wants to be alive, what should I do?

SPEAKER_01 36:30

Yeah. Um, I want to ask as well, what what parts of me remind me about yourself?

SPEAKER_00 36:41

Honestly, I think you are the best version of me.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

Really? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

Yes, because the situation that I grown was different, you know. Uh, but I think one thing is you always smile. Even in the in very difficult days, when you are sad, even you smile. This is uh similar to me. Another thing is you help the others, even when you have, you know, you have lots of things to do for yourself, you don't have time, you are still, and another thing, you um what we call in farsi, we say bajano del you help the people without any expectation from them, because you love the people and you care about the people, and another thing is um you are brave and you don't uh scare of exploring new things, going to you know what and following your dreams. This is yeah, yeah. Yeah, too many things, but because you just ask me this question, I can give a few answers. And there is, but if I want to talk about the good thing about you, I can talk days and days, you know.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

Oh, you're so sweet.

SPEAKER_00 38:09

Yeah, that's why it makes me uh you know that I'm a good writer. I always, you know, whenever I write something about the people who I like, I cry when I write. And most of the time the people tell me, oh, I cried when I um, you know, when I read the what you wrote, but I never been able to write about you because uh all sometimes even I start writing because you ask me a few times, but I don't know any words in English, any words in English, and even in my first language, Farsi, to express how I feel about you, how I love you. That's why I always say I start writing. I say, no, let's don't talk about it. Because if I talk, if I write, I cannot uh express what's in my inside me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

What do you hope I don't repeat from your life? And what do you hope I do?

SPEAKER_00 39:14

What I like you to do, uh again, because this question for the first time, and I give instant answer, yeah. Maybe if I want to think, what I want you uh to be yourself and look after yourself, you know, compared to what I did. But what I want you to do, this is what you are doing. Always help the people. Uh and uh you know everything you can do to help to the people. It doesn't matter if they you they are your family, it doesn't matter you know them, you don't know, do your best and help the other people as much as you can without any expectation from them. Yeah, and again, look after yourself as well, the way that you look after the other people.

SPEAKER_01 40:13

If someone's listening to this episode and they feel lost, what would you tell them?

SPEAKER_00 40:19

I would tell them life is very simple, you know. Do your best, and you know, uh just I think we are in this world to be good people. It's not the aim is not to be like to have this degree, to have this job, to have this much money, to do this this. Just be the best version of yourself. Life is simple. Um, you know, um sit, let all the distractions to go. Find a good pathway, never expect yourself to be a perfect people. Nobody is perfect, even when we look at the other people, we think they are perfect, we don't know anything about them. You know, find your pathway, always there are lessons. Go through a pathway to be a good person and uh enjoy simple things, do uh as much as you can, don't expect yourself too much. And we are in this world for a very, very, very short time. If if you're listening to me and you are very young, you never know how the life goes like this, you know? And at the end, when you back, never judge yourself at a situation that you are now for a situation that you were at the past. Anything you've done in the past, it was your best. It was based on your wisdom at that time, the thing you had, you know, you could do better, but at that time you didn't know that, or you didn't have the opportunity. Let the past to go, or don't live in the future, live in now. Life is simple, life is short. The only thing we should care is to be a good person, otherwise, you know, anything we do, and you know, don't expect anything to bring you a big success. The best thing is always when you do the best. So you may not be successful, but at the end, you should be proud of yourself and say, Oh, I did my best, because not everything is in our control, you know.

SPEAKER_01 43:02

Very wise, mom. And to end things off on the podcast, and you know how it's called your next step. What where do you see the future going ahead for you?

SPEAKER_00 43:13

Uh I it's um I I cannot predict the future, uh, you know, because you never know what's happening, you know. But um I think my what I'm going to do again to do my best and keep doing you know um helping the other people. It doesn't matter which job I have, it doesn't matter what situation I have, you know. But uh yeah. And um I I think as we become older, um I like to see more about you and your sister. Which I care a lot. Yeah. I like you healthy, happy, look after yourself, and you know hopefully you know you you achieve what you like. This is yeah. I want to see you and yeah, in a situation you like this is about the future. Yeah. I always look at life as simple, you know, yeah, and be keep continue to be good people, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:37

Oh mom, you are the sweetest. Yeah, well, thank you for your time today. Yeah, um, uh I hope people that are listening um today get to see a little bit of a glimpse about you. You're like this conversation is like a little drop in an ocean.

SPEAKER_00 44:55

Yes, exactly. And you know, because this question for the first time, I'm happy maybe again in future I come and sit for you. But this moment today, I never forget. Okay, yes, because I know how it's important for you. This job you started, and you know, I feel so proud to be to be one of your guests. And even I'm surprised with your great questions. I thought it could be more simple. I thought I just talk about myself. But yeah, I again I please keep doing what you do. Your podcast has been helping me a lot. What you say, and your guests, your uh I can see they say this helps a lot. This helped me a lot, and hopefully this helps the other people as well, which I'm sure it does. Yeah, I'm very proud of you. Thank you. You're doing, I love you so much, so much is not as much as I want to express about you. I don't know the best word to tell that. I love you and I love what you are doing. Keep doing and uh stable it's and keep shining.

SPEAKER_01 46:23

Thanks, Mom. Well, thanks everyone. Um till the next episode.