JOEY KOCUR | Ice Guardians Ep 26

Kelly Chase and Brett Hull were watching the Blues game with former Detroit Red Wings forward, Joey Kocur. Chaser and Joey share stories with Hully from their childhood and talk about what it was like having to face each other in the NHL. Hully and Chaser remember the time they skinned a deer together, and Chaser and Joey talk about working on the farm as kids. Joey talks about starting his career in Detroit at the end of the "Dead Wings" era and playing with Bob Probert.

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SPEAKER_02 0:33

Welcome in to Ice Guardians Window World Studios. I'm Kelly Chase. I got my partner Brad Hall with me, sponsored by Seitman Cancer Center. And I have my one of my best buddies, adversaries on the ice for a long time, but best friends off the ice, Joe Kosher, Detroit Red Wings, coach four Stanley Cups.

SPEAKER_03 0:57

Yeah, well, three as a player, one as a coach, but I got to coach the greatest team on earth.

SPEAKER_04 1:04

I was gonna say, you know, don't believe you were a great coach. You never shoot left coach.

SPEAKER_02 1:13

And you would talk to me about it. And I remember when you were doing it and you said, I think I'm done. And I said, Why? Uh it's not how it's not the direction I want to go. I don't think Babs, you're with Bab Cock, he said, I don't think it's what Babs is kind of looking for.

SPEAKER_04 1:29

Uh I, you know, yeah, because Babs, that he's a he's a and who obviously Joey knows very well. He's a Keenan guy. He wants yes men. Well, he wants you to be he wants you, he wants you to be a bigger prick as he is, and Joey's not like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:45

Well, either way, Joey, that was a hell of a career. And I'm unreal. Okay, we drafted 83 because you actually were playing, you were out of hockey.

SPEAKER_04 1:59

First of all, let's send it back to 30, you're 30 years ahead of the beginnings.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Well, you let's talk about like growing up together. We just played hockey. All we wanted to do was play hockey. I don't know how it was, like how you felt, Joey, but like I felt like Barry Melrose was like the guy to look up to for us.

SPEAKER_03 2:20

He was. He was he was the first player to make well that we knew to make the NHL. Yeah, he played on our uh fastball team. Yeah, we saw him all summer. We worked at his hockey school, so uh he was like the king of Kelvinton and an awesome guy, too. Wonderful awesome guy.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

And I got my Barry Melrose shirt on. Oh, courtesy of Brad Hall. Yeah, Barry Melrose, Winnipeg Jets.

SPEAKER_04 2:42

This is the greatest t-shirt site ever. I gotta get I gotta get closer. And it's it has like every guy in the NHL's old hockey card turned into a t-shirt. And you just I can scroll for an hour, and I finally found Barry Melrose. So I want to, you know, Chaser doesn't have any clothes that fit right now. So I so I go and try to find him t-shirts to wear, and I got him uh I got him Barry, I got him Bobby Plaguer. Oh, yeah, right, and it's just you know, it makes them happy to wear. And yeah, but move your thing again. I go, this is the only hockey card in the world that's wrong. I go, that's Jimmy Kite. Yeah, he goes, that's Jim Kite. That does not look like Barry Melrose.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

Yeah, Barry Melrose.

SPEAKER_04 3:32

And I guess he you can't lie.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

It looks like he's about to go down to block a shot. Yeah, that's about block a shot, it hit in the boots and banking off the glass. That's the that's what we aspired to be in California.

SPEAKER_04 3:44

Well, that's why I make fun of defensemen, because that's basically except for the exceptional few on uh in the league every year, that's all they're good for. Getting in the way.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

Jesus. You're so hard on guys, it was like if everyone saw the game like you saw the game, you wouldn't have scored 741 goals.

SPEAKER_04 4:06

No, they would have scored 741 goals.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

You just wouldn't have like my brother told me one time, he said, if you wanted to, if everybody wanted to play as bad as you wanted to play, you never would have made it. You weren't good enough. He said, You got all these guys aspiring to play hard.

SPEAKER_04 4:21

That's actually really smart of him to say.

SPEAKER_02 4:23

And he goes, if you worked as hard as you, you weren't good enough to play. So if everyone did what you did, it would have been a mixed mosh of you know what it probably would have been today's NHL floating around out there, not bumping into anybody. That's what you would have done.

SPEAKER_04 4:37

What do you mean? There's there's a lot a lot of guys who made a good career when I'm floating around bumping into anyone. Why in the hell do you want to run into a guy like you do? I mean, it hurts, makes me see stars and my lose my breath.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

But Joey, you what was it? It was just like, hey, I'm I'm just gonna, you know, I just want to find a way, or was it, hey, I just want to play?

SPEAKER_03 5:01

I just want to play hockey. I think when you and I grew up, we just want to play hockey. That's all we all wanted to do up in Canada.

SPEAKER_04 5:08

Yeah, yeah. I never saw, even though my dad was an NHL superstar, I never saw the NHL. I go, this is just fun being out there with the guys. And what else are you gonna do in 40 below zero? You know, you want to work on the farm or take an hour or two off to go play some hockey.

SPEAKER_03 5:27

No, I was definitely wanting to get we wanted to be at the rink all day long. Yeah, and and some of the good stories, Jason, you know about this one is uh the dads would go to the go to town, drop the kids off the rank. Yep, they go to the bar. Yeah, go to the bar, or they go to the curling, they come back, or they go somewhere to drink. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 5:44

Well, either way, the curling rink was like a bar to have whiskey. They wanted whiskey and whiskey and coke or that would be an unreal uh Olympic event, drunk curling.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

But it was Canada would win the gold every year. That or I guess like somewhere in Norway or something. You know what's crazy? They'd walk out of the uh curling rink, and if they heard pucks hitting the door in the wall, right? They went back in. Go and order another one. They'd go order another one, leave us alone. And until they realize, you know, okay, it's midnight, it's a Wednesday. Yeah, Rita and Joyce are gonna kill them when they get home, and they would tell us, All right, let's go, you guys. Come on, did they back around? Like, and and we'd be soaked in sweat, and it'd be 30 below. Yeah, go outside your heart, your hair would just harden.

SPEAKER_04 6:31

And in like Winnipeg, they used to park the cars and open the end door when the they'd shut the lights off at the outdoor rinks, and the cars would light up the rig, so yeah, we could keep skating. We still do that on the lake and still I can't understand why I couldn't skate. I I guess I just stood there and shot pucks into the snowbank.

SPEAKER_02 6:52

Shot, yeah, you shot pucks and thought that was the only way to play the game, but worked out for you. Yeah, Joey, what what age did you kind of go? You like you had to move, like I know the stories, but what what what did you feel like? Like, I mean, 13-14, we knew things were tough in our hometown. 15-16, we are gonna have to make a change, we're gonna have to go play better hockey.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

Yeah, and you went to York. I went to Yorkton, I went to my first camp. Uh, I think I was 14.

SPEAKER_04 7:21

Is that your choice to go to Yorkton, or were you like on their list? Or I don't know how that worked out.

SPEAKER_03 7:26

You mean either. I know.

SPEAKER_04 7:27

Yorkton was probably because I wasn't on anything.

SPEAKER_03 7:29

Closest town to us. So I went to Yorkton, uh, tried out. I didn't make it. I came back, played midget and seniors.

SPEAKER_04 7:36

Well, you tried out as you were still midget age.

SPEAKER_03 7:39

14 or something.

SPEAKER_04 7:40

Yeah, all right.

SPEAKER_03 7:41

Yeah, yeah. So I came back and played, like I said, I was playing midget hockey, but I was also playing for the senior team against 50-year-old men in Quill Lake and Wattras and Medina.

SPEAKER_02 7:52

Right.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

That's awesome. So the the following year is when I made uh I made Yorkton and we had uh Junior B. Oh, junior A tier, junior A. Yeah, so right, okay. Like I played in Pentecost. So like Pentecost, yeah. And we had possibly one of the greatest athlete coaches of all time in Yorkton. He played in the Grey Cup and he played in the Stanley Cup finals in the same year. Jerry James.

SPEAKER_04 8:17

Yeah, wow, yeah. He was and how do you not know? How do I not know about Jerry James? I mean, that's unbelievable. Yeah, but still there that too. And what team did he play for? Toronto or Toronto and Winnipeg, I think, right?

SPEAKER_02 8:32

Was it Hamilton and he was on the jid line in Toronto?

SPEAKER_03 8:37

I do know that.

SPEAKER_02 8:38

Yeah. And then but he did play, yeah, played for the Leafs. That's on Did they win? Actually, I think it's the last.

SPEAKER_04 8:44

Did he play with Bill Barilko?

SPEAKER_02 8:46

No, they didn't win. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 8:47

Well, then he didn't win.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

I was gonna say it's the last time they won the cup. Uh but it's not 60, it wasn't 67. So I I don't know, I'm not sure. But I mean, as you said, one of the greatest athletes probably obviously. And being in Yorkton, he kind of gave you a little bit of a lesson too, didn't he?

SPEAKER_03 9:07

Yeah, we're probably I would say a few weeks into the season, he basically told me that if you ever want to go anywhere in this game, you've got to do something a little better than everyone else. And at that point I didn't know what it was, but uh I had been in a couple small flights and I didn't I wasn't scared of it. I kind of enjoyed it and I started doing that more often and it worked out well that way for me.

SPEAKER_04 9:31

And you were a great size. Like I was under the radar. Well, you and I've said this a million times on I think probably every podcast, besides rooming with his suitcase, is I would have hated to have been those six foot four guys that weren't looking like weren't superstars, right? Because you you okay, if the guy's like Mario, you know, you're not gonna screw around, but the six foot four guy that's not that super great. Well, people are gonna come after you because okay, oh he's big, he's gonna fight. Yeah, and that would be the worst thing ever. I don't know, Jason.

SPEAKER_03 10:10

If you weren't tough, six four. I wish I was six four.

SPEAKER_04 10:13

No, but like, but you were that perfect size.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

You were a different, you were a heavyweight already, and like I was in the I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 10:20

But you had leverage on those tall guys.

SPEAKER_02 10:22

Yeah, I guess yes. My dad was a boxer, and so when I like my dad boxed, so like when I fought, I still watched him fight, and he has this knockout area. I never I'll never forget this. The area right here in front of you. Okay, and he would he would say, you know, this is the area you guys need to practice. You hit the bag, or you'd hit the speed bag, or you'd hit the heavy bag, but everything you generated your power from was inside knockout area, the brake basket. And I watch, I've watched you hit guys and you get the leverage and you come up or across, and it's always in that area. I watched a kid fight the other night from Tampa. I phoned Coop after the game. I said, Man, you got some tough kids on your team, but boy, would I have a field day with them. And it just like I I remember playing the first couple games against Detroit, and I was anxious because I didn't know how you were gonna react if I, you know, beat somebody or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 11:24

Yeah, and it's not like you went out the night before and said, Okay, we're not gonna fight. Right. Like that didn't happen. No. Well, we went out. Well, yeah, but you didn't like if he if if if one of you did something stupid, something was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_02 11:37

Yeah. Because the but like I knocked out Keith Primo, okay? And I was really worried about what was gonna happen. But he was throwing punches like this, throwing punches like this. Finally, I just come up with a punch, hit him in the chin, down he went, and then I'm in the penny box going, oh Jesus.

SPEAKER_05 11:55

This is now I got now.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

I got Joey and Bob, and you know, Proby and I fought a few times. Uh Joey and I never fought. Um, but I always felt like I cut Chief Steve Chase on really bad. I cut uh Dave Barr really bad.

SPEAKER_04 12:14

Oh boy, you must be really proud of that. Well, I think I could have fought those two. Well, why didn't you?

SPEAKER_02 12:20

They were never out against me. They only played against the bench one time. He came to the bench one time whining because he had a little cross check. Oh it's actually funny, though. She had that Gordie Howard. I think Joey was probably there when we had it on his teeth for me.

SPEAKER_04 12:39

And I did the the brand new deer walk to the fucking bench.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

He had he had teeth, he had Gordie How too. He had Gordie How tape on his teeth from Lee Norwich. And he came to the bench and he goes, Well, somebody please fucking do something.

SPEAKER_04 12:59

And then, but you know, and Lee, he was an honest guy, and I ended up playing with him in St. Louis. And he well, he came back after a couple of while and I got black tape all over me. And he looks at me and goes, Will you wipe the tape off? I feel bad. And I go, I bet you do.

SPEAKER_02 13:19

Well, he got it a couple times in a row.

SPEAKER_04 13:22

I think I got two goals in the third to win the game.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

Yeah, and I I was like Lee, you crossed the line, and he just stood there and he jumped at me off the face off and he missed me.

SPEAKER_04 13:34

And then I was kind of like the motorcycle.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

I was giving it to him, yeah. Like the motorcycle. But yeah, he he was a he was a good teammate.

SPEAKER_04 13:43

Yeah, he was. He was a good guy, Lee. Great teammate. And I you well, yeah, and you remember, I don't know like how it was legal, but you had that. Well, you didn't, the defenseman on the Red Wings had that guy that would fiberglass the bottom third of their sticks so like when they cross-check you and slash you, it wouldn't break. I don't remember. Oh my god. I'm like them and Gilbert Delor. It was like the what's the the hot blonde in the the serial killer movie with the barbed wire on the bat? That's what it felt like when they'd slash you. What was her name? I what the hell are you? Hold on, I'm going over to Drew, our uh trusty producer. Come on, the super hot chick in the fucking outfit. That narrows it down. Super hot chicken outfit. No, that was a serial killer. I don't know. It was like the funny movie. Never mind. Yeah, you blew that one. Yeah, we might have to start taking applications.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

So we're we're we we idolize these guys that are a little older than us, right? So Wendell, myself, Carrie, Clark, Corey Kosher, Kildra Kaminsky, Curtis Lucian. We're all looking up, and the guys in the next group under Barry, well, Barry and Don Clark, the next group was you know was uh Trent Yanni, uh Joey, um Trent Yanni's a good guy. There's more than one? Selmer, Selmer was yeah, Selmer was more in Joey's era, and Lyle was in ours, but we all grew up together. So I I remember look, you know, just going, man, and and I was scared shitless of Joey, okay? I told this before, but anyways, I want to date his sister, and it and she wanted to date me, but I was terrified. And uh Donnie Clark says to me, you know, there's not a lot of choices in the area, but if you were gonna make a choice, pick another one. For God's sake. What the hell do you want to do? What are you doing?

SPEAKER_04 16:00

Are you making up the part about she wanted to date you too? No, she didn't, or were you just like the only single guy left in town?

SPEAKER_02 16:08

Well, I don't think Wendell had any game. He didn't get his contract yet. So, you know, everyone else she was related to, she was a cousin of. Oh, there you go. You were the only one she wasn't. I wasn't related, I was the only one that wasn't related. So funny. But I but I remember uh we went to this uh her her graduation party, and uh and Joey had brought a girl home. Oh boy, Ironside. What was her name? Uh Brenda. Brenda Ironside? Yeah, she came home and somebody put something in her drink. You tell the story because I don't remember well what happened. I know what happened post.

SPEAKER_04 16:50

I hope these guys are watching this podcast at some point. I hope they're gonna have post-traumatic syndrome.

SPEAKER_03 16:58

No, we're having a big bonfire, and somehow my my girlfriend at the time was Brendan. She they give her something, and she was hallucinating. She was trying to jump in the fire, and uh, I didn't take kindly to that, so I opened up the van door and pulled as many out as I could and let them made sure they didn't do it again. Yeah. Well, the funny part about it is that I think is funny. She had to go to the hospital.

SPEAKER_02 17:25

This is the is this is the best part of life. This isn't this isn't funny, but she had to go to the hospital. We only have about eight rooms in the hospital, and by the time Joe. Three of them are taken up by cows. We had four rooms taken, her and three more by these brothers. Yeah. Triage. Yeah, he kicked the shit out of them. And and I remember I'll never forget it because it was one of those ones where I was like, that's why I'm afraid of him. Now I told you this, you got a bad memory, but you but you my sister home at what at uh day daybreak. I got her home at daybreak. I wouldn't drive down the driveway. She said everyone can see you anyway. I said, I don't care. Lisa got a head start. I got a head start. Why? We were just talking. Yeah. She's like, don't be stupid. Drive me up. I'm like, Lise. I what were you driving? What was your car of choice? What people I gotta think this through a little bit better here.

SPEAKER_04 18:22

All right. Yeah, not everyone's an idiot like you and your brother.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

Well, we we were surrounded with a pretty good cast. It's not that we were idiots. I thought we were brilliant.

SPEAKER_04 18:33

Well, I know, but like you were on the same fucking fast pitch team. Yeah, you played hockey together. I'm pretty sure that Joey was like, uh, he's obviously going to be respectful to my sister.

SPEAKER_02 18:44

Yeah, I was respectful, but scared shitless, too. And anyway, I I I remember it because the next day was our what we call the fair dance, which is like rodeoslash chuck wagons, chariots, fastball, all these fastball teams. So a rodeo. This ought to be good. Go ahead. What?

SPEAKER_04 19:06

So a rodeo. Well, kind of rodeo with fastball and yeah, like the state fair. State fair. Yeah, right. Yeah. And uh that had to be the best week of the year. It for sure is. It's gotta be. That would be like the fast pitch tournament alone would be the best part of it. Well, not anymore. They don't have a lot of fast pitch teams.

SPEAKER_03 19:27

It's kind of dying. The truck wagon, the chariot races, all the horse races, everyone's yeah, betting on it.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

Yeah, well, that day, that day we played in the finals against Elmy Coffee. They were called Elmy Coffee, and they were sponsored by the coffee company, yeah. And old Joe's walking out, hat sideways, walking out, you know, missing a finger, hands are bigger than Joey's.

SPEAKER_04 19:54

So they started rap with the yeah, with the hat. Yeah, like they stole it from the old guys up on the farm.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

That's all they can find on the farm. Yeah. So Joe's, I'm going out, and they used to park the trucks, the old farmers, left field, going towards right field, back the trucks up to the fence, had their cooler, and they had uh lawn chairs in the back of the truck. And Joe's walking out, and Merv Clark, Neil's dad's out there, and his dad has a kid playing on the Elmy team, and and he has Rory, and then he has Neil on our team. And he's saying, and Joe goes, it's gonna be like the Thoroughbreds race in the fucking Clydesdales. He's like, This isn't even gonna be close. And we scored five runs in the first, including Stan Kershack crushing one through the windshield of the pitcher on the other team to add insult to injury. And I'm I'm coming up, I come back out the field after they get us out, and I look over at Joe. I said, Light's deal is not too good today, Joe. And he looks at me and goes, play ball, you little fucker.

SPEAKER_04 21:12

Anyway, well, that's all right. So then you catch one in the ribs from the pitcher.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

No, that was that was that was in Saskatoon.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

That was in Saskatoon. But the point I was gonna make is Joe came down and he said to us after the game, we won the tournament, and he said to us after the game, the dance was that night, the fair dance, and he said, Listen to me. I'm tired of answering questions the way you guys act when you go out. Just kind of you tape, I don't want any shit tonight. That's what he actually said. I'd be like we that went on deaf ears. We yeah, we weren't in the dance a half an hour, and Joey gets into it with some cowboy and throws a drink. Like just how okay, where are you guys? We're in Kelvington.

SPEAKER_04 21:56

Well, how do you not know every cowboy?

SPEAKER_03 21:59

All the cowboys are

SPEAKER_04 22:00

Cowboys come from all over the the radio, yeah. Someone someone doesn't really get it. Rich Pelon.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

Oh, get out. He was a cowboy. He came to Fair.

SPEAKER_04 22:12

I played Junior at Penticket with a bareback rider. I can't remember his name, but I'm like, where do you live? All right. And he goes, Oh, yeah, I live up in somewhere in in uh Alberta. And I go, Well, like, what do you do? And he goes, Like, well, I ride bareback Bronx. And I'm like, what? I go, you're tough. Yeah.

unknown 22:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:31

And you can't feel sorry for your wife. Little skinny guys with belt belt buckles the size of frying pants.

SPEAKER_04 22:38

All they do is hurt our bellies. Yeah. So you gotta be skinny to wear that.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

And the funny thing about it was when you know, he we have this dust up or whatever. I didn't even move.

SPEAKER_04 22:49

I just oh, sure you didn't.

SPEAKER_02 22:50

I know I didn't really. I didn't because what am I gonna do? Like, did you know did I just tell you the cast?

SPEAKER_04 22:56

How old were you?

SPEAKER_02 22:57

I was like 18.

SPEAKER_04 22:59

Okay, so yeah, no, you were gonna do something. No, I didn't do shit. No, I said you would have.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

Oh, oh, I would have done something, but it was like, no, for what? And then he's already smashed everywhere. Anyways, it lasted a half an hour.

SPEAKER_04 23:15

And the next day it's like we have a scratch.

SPEAKER_02 23:19

Joey goes, Well, I gotta get out of here now because the old man, sure enough, you know, Joe was pissed at us. You know, the next day he's pissed off at us, and we had a good oh God, we were we had such a great group of guys. It was so good.

SPEAKER_03 23:33

We did. Well, he story you really gotta tell is what it went what uh happened in Kuroke with Wendell.

SPEAKER_04 23:40

Oh my lord.

SPEAKER_03 23:41

At the Crookie bar. He scared me because you threw a shuffleboard.

SPEAKER_04 23:46

Oh Joe, you scared the shit out of him. Every second word that comes out of it, you scared me.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

We thought Wendell was getting beaten up by a bunch of guys, and we turned the whole bar over to get over to make sure he was okay. Right? Well, he was okay, yeah. It was Carrie Clark sitting on the back.

SPEAKER_04 24:01

I've seen the Wendell Clark fight fight tape. It's yeah, he's okay. Carrie swung this biker around.

SPEAKER_02 24:08

Who Barry Melrose? Carrie Sharp's brother. He hit his leg on the side of the foosball table that was bolted to the ground. So imagine a leg hit him like that and snapped it 90 degrees. Nice. And he's down on top of him and he's just pounding on this guy. Thinking that he might chase him. And the guy's got a leather jacket over his head. And finally, Wendell comes and lifts Carrie. That's enough, that's enough. And the big shark gets off him, and the guy goes like this and pulls his jacket over his head. And I don't know who this guy was because it wasn't the same guy that went down. His face looked like lumped and everything. But Wendell's cut this guy by the jacket and he's bleeding and everything. So it looks like Wendell's been fighting. Joey and Don come in. What the fuck? It's going woof shuffleboard rock through the middle of them, these bikers. Don piling over the pool table. And Don's a big man, hard for him to get on a pool table. All of a sudden, all hell breaks loose. There's two things I'll remember from it, okay? The first thing that happens is Wendell's holding the guy, and the guy's just half dead, and Don Clark smokes the guy. Guy's almost dead already.

SPEAKER_04 25:24

Now he's three quarters dead.

SPEAKER_02 25:26

Down he goes. Okay, that happens. The next thing that made me laugh, and I think I brought this up on another show, maybe with Killer. Kevin Kaminsky's fighting this guy, and they get outside the guy's like Killer's there. Look, he wrecked my Saturday shirt. I had a flannel shirt on. He wrecked his Saturday shirt. Oh my god, I pissed myself laughing. Anyways, Lane Lambert and Brad Lauer were up for the weekend to help with the hockey school, and they just couldn't, they couldn't believe it. They were just like and then you had a guy that came from Adirondack that threw up on the way home and and lost his teeth. Who was it? Gilbert Delorme? Adirondack. Yeah, he came. Uh he came that week. Obviously, he was playing for the Red Wings Minor League.

SPEAKER_04 26:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:19

It was uh was it like David Coral? Davy Coral. Because he's from Winnipeg. Davy Coral, Davy Coral. He wasn't actually a bad player, he was a good defenseman. Listen to this. The next morning we found his teeth along the highway in a pile of puke. You remember? We had to stop at the corner for him to puke. So they got out and looked, and sure as shit, there was all of his front, whatever, six teeth were laying in the pile of puke. So he rinsed them off and we went to the ball tournament.

SPEAKER_04 26:45

I gotta tell you, like, I thought I had a pretty good childhood and thought maybe you know I missed out on some stuff. Um I'm really glad I didn't miss out on any of that. I would have been like in the getaway car. Hurry up, get in, I'll drive.

SPEAKER_03 27:06

We uh we we had a lot of fun, but we really tried to be respectful and careful with our parents. Absolutely. I know that. Oh boy, we had another tournament one time, it was Saturday night. We're we all go out Saturday night before the Sunday tournament. And this was a harmless and then Sunday night after the Sunday tournament. Harmless night. We had finished up and we were uh getting ready to go home and won another one.

SPEAKER_04 27:28

What did you win?

SPEAKER_03 27:29

Like 20 or we didn't play all the next day. Uh but the uh we're leaving the bar, and just as a joke, I reach in and I grab one of the guys, give him a titty twister. Just for fun. For fun, he grabbed my finger and broke it for fun. He didn't mean to. So now I've and it's my left hand, as a matter of fact. Now I can't tell my parents, so I gotta play the next day with a broken finger in the glove. And make and just get just play through it. What position? Uh don't tell me catcher. That would have been tough.

SPEAKER_04 28:02

Yeah, you're a catcher a lot. A lot of bunts. No bunts.

SPEAKER_03 28:07

Fast pitch? So all there is is bunts. We didn't bunt. No, we didn't fucking bunt. No, bunt was allowed in on the real high level. We always move the runner over. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 28:18

About 340 feet, we bunted it. I mean, we had so much okay so we had so much fun. So we had so you didn't kill the guy. No.

SPEAKER_04 28:30

See, that's that's that's very respectful of you.

SPEAKER_02 28:33

We had oh, he was your teammate.

SPEAKER_04 28:35

Yeah, we're so Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

Yeah, Joey just taking his fingers out of the pickle jar. What a pickled egg jar.

SPEAKER_04 28:44

Pickled eggs or feed?

SPEAKER_02 28:45

No pickles.

unknown 28:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

Well, I the the the thing I remember about like you know, the night before games or whatever was the decision at Kuroki whether you went you went right to the ball diamond, tried to sleep in the car, or you went to Shallan? Yeah, went back to we we we made a lot of miles. You you had that Camaro, that uh Oh, I had the old IRO. I rock. Camaro fly.

SPEAKER_04 29:12

I'm glad you guys are alive because drunk cowboys in an IROC on dirt roads. That's about as dangerous as you get. Not only that, because there could be livestock coming in front of you at any time. And that thing's low enough where a cow would cut the top. More after hit a moose than a cow. That's well, kind of livestock for a city guy, it's livestock. Like you don't have pet moose.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

How he cleaned a deer with me one day in Joe. And he said, This is the most dynamo thing I've ever done in my life.

SPEAKER_04 29:46

So I was it was to me the most amazing thing. How he like it was like being with Daniel Boone. He skinned the thing. He killed it. Also, before he gutted it? No, no, he gutted it. No, he yeah, he sliced her right up from stem. So I got it and pulled out all the gizzards and innards, and just yeah, he was gonna try to get me to eat that liver. And I'm like, yeah, I'll tell you what, that's not happening.

SPEAKER_02 30:13

No, but the funny thing about it was is he goes, you know, this is the most outdoorsy thing I've ever done in my life. How do you know this shit?

SPEAKER_04 30:21

Yeah, he just he skinned that thing like it was like he was Jeffrey Dahmer. I mean, oh Jesus. You know, and it only took about a half hour, and we had that thing, and it was back in the back of the the four by side by side, and we took it to the guy and said, and he said he was gonna get us some venison out of it, and he never did the bastard.

SPEAKER_02 30:41

Well, I I I gave it to our uh work team, our Mexican work team, and they never got back to me. Well, I probably got kicked out of that place before that happened. I remember when I shot it, I shot the thing, and they they had it, they had all these deer wrecking flowers on the property. So I say it and it's a discovery property, and I say to the to the uh supervisor one day, I go, Jesus Christ, I go, you can just keep putting flowers. He goes, These damn deer. I said, Why don't you shoot them? He goes, Are you shooting me? He goes, You know how much trouble I get in? I said, let me ask you a question. If one day uh I shot a bunch of deer, would you help me like with the cleaning? And he goes, Well, what do you mean? I said, on a day off, I'll come and take care of the deer problem. You just make sure there's guys here to help skin them. So put them on the front end loader and we'll clean, see if these guys know how to do that. So sure enough, oh yeah, no problem. Shot 26 that day and got rid of a little problem that they had out there.

SPEAKER_04 31:40

I would have rather you keep the deer and kill the flowers. Well, flowers do not belong on a golf course.

SPEAKER_02 31:46

Well, either way, I I was trying to help. And the last one that I shot was a kid from the city in the side-by-side, and I thought he was gonna throw up. I had to take him back to the administration office. Went over to Holly's house, knocked on the door.

SPEAKER_04 32:00

I said, Did he have his cashmere vest on? Yeah, yeah. Sellers. Oh, William.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

I said, I said to Holly, I need your help. He said, What? I said, put on some camouflage and some shit. You're gonna get dirty. And I'm thinking, he's thinking, don't tell me he did something really, really stupid. I come on, I got blood all over me. He goes, I just don't want to ask. I said, Come on, we we go, we see the deer lane, throw it in the back of the side by side, take it to the other side of the property in the back, clean it and everything. Everyone's gone home, so we had to clean it and cut it up and put it in plastic bags. He hung in for the entire time. It's quite impressive.

SPEAKER_04 32:41

Yeah, well, it's just blood and guts. I kind of felt bad for the little thing. I mean, why don't you kill the bigger one?

SPEAKER_02 32:51

Well, I was just shooting the those uh there wasn't gonna be any more breeding going on around there for a bit.

SPEAKER_04 32:58

But anyway. Well, back back home. That would have been a good idea. But in well, Tennessee. You never know.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

The opportunity to play York for Graham James, and then you got to play in Saskatoon, and you guys were freaking top Jerry James. Jerry James. Who did I say? Graham.

SPEAKER_03 33:21

Jesus, you guys definitely not you guys played for him? No, no, he was that was uh that was so much fun. Actually, great story about that first year. Dave Brown was on our team. He walked into a practice.

SPEAKER_04 33:37

It's just tough guy after tough guy after tough guy.

SPEAKER_03 33:39

Ken Danico was on that team, another great guy. Yeah, love Kenny. I was lucky enough to go for the city.

SPEAKER_04 33:45

I've never met Dave, I've never met Kenny. Never met Dave. I met him on the ice, maybe once.

SPEAKER_03 33:50

Uh, he would not have been out there with you.

SPEAKER_04 33:52

No, but sometimes I stay out a little longer than I should.

SPEAKER_03 33:55

No. Oh, he might have come out of the pillow box. Yeah, yeah. After your two and a half minute play show.

SPEAKER_04 34:00

He had the he had like those beady, dirty, I'm gonna kill you eyes. Didn't he? He could.

SPEAKER_02 34:07

Yeah. Boy, if you beat him, it was best of seven. Your best to just stay out of the way. He didn't have any white in his eyes. Did you ever fight Brownie? No, and you know what, you know what? I'll tell you what, I got into it with Brent Ashton. Bam, bam, he was tough. In the summertime at at uh Rink we would, you know, practice you know, just before camp, you know, that by the airport there we would skate. I got in with Brent and you know, he said to me, When you're playing in the real league, and I like Brent, he said, When you're playing in the real league, you come and fucking talk to me. It pissed Brownie off. He heard him and he goes, Hey, come here. You don't take any shit from anybody. I don't care what league they play in. You hear me? Yeah, not you don't take shit from anyone. I said, All right, you know, whatever. Anyways, Brent and I went at it. Whack I never played against Brent again. The first time we played the Winnipeg Jets, Ash is on the ice.

SPEAKER_04 34:58

All right, I'll say that's the 13th team he played for. Well, we gotta give him shit if we're gonna get it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

But he held the record for a long time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:07

Yeah, I think Sillinger's got it now. But he's he's stretching at the red line. And I'm looking around and I'm thinking, I'm I'm I want to stay. I don't want to get sent to the miners. Okay, right. I skate right over to him and I said, Hey, Brent, remember me? Is this the league you were talking about when I'm playing in the real league? Is this the one? This is the one you're talking about, and uh he just kind of looked at me and I freaking walked him out on the ice a couple times and everything, and then I felt better about myself. And uh nothing ever happened. And Dave Brown to this day said, I will, I never wanted to mess around with guys that I knew. I just didn't, I didn't, I didn't do it. And you didn't either, did you, with Brownie?

SPEAKER_03 35:50

No, I never fought Brownie either. He was like my big fan.

SPEAKER_04 35:53

Yeah, that's like respect, though, right? It's like hey, don't, but but it also is I'm not gonna do anything to make you make that decision. Yeah, yeah, you just don't do it. Like hit Chaser from behind or anything like that. So, anyway, those are unbelievable stories. And we are gonna take a quick break and be right back with Joey Kozier on Ice Guardians. I'm Brad Hall. I'm Kelly Chase.

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SPEAKER_04 39:15

Welcome back from the Window World Studio, brought to you by Seiteman Cancer Center. Before we begin, with my uh pal Kelly Chase and our special guest, Joey Gosher. Thanks to the uh YouTube chat, it was Harley Quinn I was trying to think of earlier with the uh barbed wire bat that she bludgeoned people with. So anyway, that's that. And thanks for listening to all you people out there on YouTube. So we got another deer story. No, we don't really.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

No, we don't. What we have here is a failure to communicate, right? I'd like to communicate this though. Joey said this at the end of the segment. He said we always had respect for our our family, and we did. We our parents like that.

SPEAKER_04 40:13

Well, yeah, or you'd get slapped around.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

Right. But but we we carried ourselves with respect because we owed it to the community too. Because we hate look at we had a lot of guys that Barry did a lot for this community. Uh guys showing up every summer, we just went and played ball. Wendell's the first pick overall in the draft, and he's playing ball like it's you know, like it's just that's something you do, and it's not, it's not common for the high draft picks to all of a sudden to be playing fast pitch softball. But I think one of the things that I that I carry with me from like our parents is when they did that little short uh thing on us, what was called uh toughest team ever toughest team there ever was, yeah. And your dad was talking and he's just leaning over the fence by the corral and he's just talking. He goes, Well, they're expected to work hard and they're expected to carry themselves like that, and they're expected and it was funny because it it kind of hit home with me like man, we could get away with some stuff, but when it came down to it, our parents made damn sure we were in line with integrity.

SPEAKER_03 41:23

Yeah, without a doubt. They they instilled they instilled toughness in us, they instilled honesty in us, they instilled hard work no matter what. I mean, me, you, Wendell, Dorothy, Carrie, all working for Les Clark in the summer, yeah, picking weeds in the fields. Yeah, when the when the sun came up, they'd drop us off in the field, they'd bring us lunch and pick us up at the end of the day. Spent the whole day out there on your hands and knees picking weeds. No, we no, we waited until the crops were tall enough that we were it's called roguing. We were picking big weeds out of the fields to make the make it class number one and class A crop.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

Got it. So you'd go through the field and pick these large weeds so that your crop was cleaner. So when they came to judge your crop, more money, but you had to do it by hand. So they would just put us in the field in a row and we would walk. And what you get? Quarter mile, not a lot of that quarter mile.

SPEAKER_03 42:25

Uh you know what? Less was always, I think, pretty good pair. So I don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 42:29

Yeah, I don't remember what we got paid. Because it was way before the loony. I gotta tell you, one morning we woke up, he woke us up. Here's the deal. If you were playing sports, you you didn't have to go to work. But if you thought you were gonna sleep in at the clerk house, you got another thing coming. So, what did they do? Les would watch us in the morning and then he'd find out when the ball, and then he'd get us out of bed and say, Come on, let's go. Get up, there's work to do, get up. And I remember I was working for the town of Porcupine at the time, and I you know, and I was uh on the garbage truck or something. And I said, Les, I gotta I gotta work in town. And he goes, No, you're not, Chase. You're working here today. And I said, Well, well, Les, I I I got a job and I gotta work in town. He said, I said you're working here today. So I'll call them. Yeah, yeah. And then he sounded like Bob Cole. That's how he was. You're working here today. I already who's your boss, Peter Laviolette, yeah. And so I I I I always was like, you know, the expectation was there already, I think, Joey. Like you.

SPEAKER_04 43:37

Well, and it showed like you got Mr. City Slicker here, and when I meet you guys, like it just I know it's so easy to pick a city slicker from a guy that grew up working on the farm and and calluses and like it. And that's why you guys were so special as players and teammates. Because you instilled, and that's why let's take it deeper. Well, that's why the NHL is the greatest game there is, because you guys made it the greatest game it is, and guys way before you that worked on the farm, like the Brian Sutters, and and way before him, you know. My dad would like he'd tell me stories about, you know, I I just went out and skated, and my dad would yank me off the ice and bring me in. And he'd I slept with my sisters and like because we only had one room, and the and the heater, the oldest guy, got to sit next to sleep next to the heater. And so it was like this is like I'm glad you clarified that. Yeah. Well, if you knew how ugly the Hull girls were, you wouldn't have you wouldn't have taken it any other way.

unknown 44:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:52

So hey, let's go back to the to Les Clark. That's Wendell's dad. Right. He used to run the rink. He was the toughest hockey player that ever came out of Calvington. Yeah. As a matter of fact. But he also, and as Jason just said, he didn't take no for an answer. Les Clark could be driving from Greenwater through town, didn't slow down to 25. He'd still be going 60 right through town. The cops would get behind him, turn the lights on, turn the sirens on. He would never stop till he got to his farm. When he got to the farm, seven miles, he'd jump out of the car. The cops would pull up behind him. He'd say, Throw the goddamn ticket in the kitchen. I got no time for you today. And he'd just keep going. I swear to God, he wouldn't stop.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

Put the ticket on the table. I got no time for you guys today. And they just do it. We'd be standing there looking at them and say, Well, just put it on the table. And why did you why did you you guys police yourselves? What did you need police for? Well, he didn't have time to do that.

SPEAKER_04 45:51

There was no crime. There's no way there was crime. It was harness. It was time. Who would come to your town and commit a crime?

SPEAKER_02 45:57

Are they idiots? Well, yeah. We didn't have a problem with with that too much. Any event, well, coach, one of the things that I loved about, well, I loved about you and your family or whatever. You made time every summer. You and you you love driving, right? Like the hell. You'd get a motor home, you'd drive home. You'd get a truck, you know, a couple, and you'd drive home. And and it seemed to me like, you know, you're making a point. Hey, I'm driving home, but I'm coming and I'm settling in a little bit because that's what I gotta do for my my family wants me here.

SPEAKER_03 46:34

Yeah, I've um excuse me, every every summer I'd come home for a minimum of two weeks just to get a chance to see mom and dad, see my friends, see the community. And to this day, I know my my father has passed two and a half years ago. Now I go at least six times uh a year back home to see mom, just to help her out and make sure she's doing well. But but that's the community. I mean, we grew up in uh in a great, great town, and uh I just I gotta keep going back there just to get reminded of how lucky I was.

SPEAKER_04 47:09

I'll tell you, there's a uh a lot of hard things in this world, but I learned when I moved to Nashville the hardest thing is backing up a trailer. Like you've got to be like a math genius to be able to do that. And I just I can't do it. I like it, like the car's going one way, the trailer's going another, and then all of a sudden they're both called the same way. And it's like, what how in the fuck did you guys park boats and shit? Like it's crazy. Like it's like I can't do it.

SPEAKER_03 47:44

You can't come on a it's the easiest thing in the world.

SPEAKER_04 47:46

Yeah, well, of course it is when you're driving a combine and shit your whole life. Well, yeah, when you're on a cini bike, and like you don't there's nothing trailing behind you.

SPEAKER_02 47:57

Well, I think most of that stuff that we learned how to do, it's funny. We learned how to do it at a young age, and then we were expected to do it. I remember taking I can't even imagine the shit you'd get if you ever fucked it up.

SPEAKER_04 48:09

Well, I'll tell you what are you doing, you dumb little bastard. You do it the right way.

SPEAKER_02 48:13

Well, I'll tell you about fucking it up. There's a huge like we have mowers, you know, like that have the huge blades back then. Blades maybe, I don't know, 15, 20 feet out to the side of the track, out to the side of the machine, and then you pull them with a track. Like the city when they cut the yeah, and they come up like this, cut the ditch. They come up in the air like this. Then you'd water skiing. And I'm coming down the the drive, I'm coming down the uh road and I make the turn into the driveway, big smile on my face. I've cut the grass in the ditch. The mailbox be gone. Buddy, I took out mailbox fence, I broke blades, teeth on the blades. My dad was standing at the top of the driveway screaming at me. I thought I was so I was so proud. I was about 11 or 12. 11. I did this by myself and I just I couldn't have screwed everything up more than that.

SPEAKER_03 49:07

Chaser, I had the same thing. Yeah, you know when you're driving a set of harrows, yeah, you're pulling harrows there. Well, explain what a harrow is. Uh it basically smooths out the ground after you cultivate. Oh, okay. And it's usually maybe sixty feet, sixty feet wide. Well, and you're doing the summer funnel? When you're doing the summer fall. Thank you very much. But when you're when you're sitting, I'm not that city. But when you're turning, the inside of the harrow wheel doesn't move, but the outside is zinging around. So I was out there doing my job. I've got this uh power pole out there, and I'm watching that power pole, and I'm just going around it, not paying attention to the harrows going right over top up dad's cultivator. Banging his gun alive. And all of a sudden he comes running up the driveway and he calls me over and he goes, I said, What? I didn't do anything. He's the outside wheel you can see stop at the cultivator, go up and over the cultivator, back down onto the field. Needless to say, I was not driving the tractor for a few days afterwards. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 50:15

Oh my god. How were you like an eight or nine?

SPEAKER_02 50:18

I wasn't very old. Jesus. I was 13. I was on the back of the stookes when they were we were baling square bales. And uh oh, square bales. They're coming out of the balance.

SPEAKER_03 50:28

Not the rectangular ones? Yeah. Well, instead of the round ones. We call them square, but yes, I yes, I get what it's whatever. Rectangular ones. We call them square.

SPEAKER_06 50:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:37

Well, let's get hold on. Let's take another break and we'll get back because I've got a Bobby Hole story I'm gonna tell about Balin Hay. We'll be right back with Ice Guardians. Now it's time for our get checked moment of the game. And today we're talking about breast cancer. And if you're a gentleman watching, please tell your wives, girlfriends, friends, daughters, sisters, aunts, and even your mother-in-law. Gals watching, listen in closely to this. If you're 40 or older and haven't yet gotten your manogram, it is so important that you do. Women who undergo regular yearly screening for breast cancer have better outcomes than women who don't. If you have family history of breast cancer, there is a chance you will need to start getting screened even earlier. And that's something to talk to your primary care physician about. Seitman Cancer Centers offer a mobile mammography van that parks at convenient places like Schnook's and Walmart all over town, so you can get screened on your way to run errands. Check out the van schedule and make an appointment on Siteman's website, seitemen.washu.edu or type in your zip code at get screenednow.com. If you're in Missouri or Illinois, to find multiple locations near you to get screened.

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SPEAKER_03 54:27

Yeah, I got drafted in 83, and I think you said you were 83 with uh. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 54:32

Can I I need to ask his beer? Can we get another bud light in here? Can we get another bud light in here? Old Mitzi. I think it was Chaser knocked his beer over. No, no, we're good. Anyway. No, totally fine. I've told this story and and we're uh younger than they are. But I I tell the story about and I know you never well, you maybe you felt this way, not the way I did, but I was uh 16, and for some reason I went out to New Westminster in Vancouver, and I watched a Portland Winter Hawks New Westminster Bruins game, and that's when they had Smeal, Beck, Boris Fistrich, Punch McLean was the coach. Did you play after that, right?

SPEAKER_03 55:46

I did, but you we did play New West and some of those teams.

SPEAKER_04 55:50

And I've told Chaser this story, I've told everyone this story, and I'm like, it's amazing I'm sitting here today as a Hall of Fame hockey player because I watched that hockey game and I said there is no way on earth I could play with these guys. It was bedlam. Perry Turnbull, Perry Turnbull was on Portland. Um Kelly's son Will brought it up on video, and it was when the goalie someone had lost an eye on New West and the goalie after the brawl, put his helmet on with the visor and walked around like he was blind, and punch Imlak jumped off the bench, ran across the ice, and confronted the goalie. And I'm like, I'm like, what is going on? I'm like, I'm 16 years old, and I'm like, no, yeah, no, hockey's out for me.

SPEAKER_02 56:57

This is not for me.

SPEAKER_04 56:58

This is not, this is crazy. There's no way. Boris Fistricht elbowed a guy in the back of the head, right in front of me, and his face exploded. The blood, I'm scarred for life. I still see it to this day. And I'm like, so when you're in Saskatoon, I know you're you guys are so tough. But like, was there ever like, I don't know if I can play in the NHL. Am I good enough or am I?

SPEAKER_03 57:26

Well, right? Well, it was always the question was we were ever good enough. Right. I mean, we were mine was uh there's no way I'm tougher. I mean, you know, getting drafted is one thing, but getting drafted by the right team, I mean, I got the year I got you got drafted by the Red Wings, who are the dead things. Yeah, they were the dead wings, and but but even more to that point, not only were they a horrible hockey team, they were weak. Weren't tough. So that year when they had a bunch of old guys, right? Like old guys, they drafted Steve Iserman and Peter Kleema as two of the the young superstars. Well, then they drafted Bob Probert, myself, Stu Grimson, Lane Lambert, Lane Lambert was another one.

SPEAKER_04 58:07

Well, one of these guys is gonna help.

SPEAKER_03 58:09

And there was a couple times OHL that they got. Uh there was a Craig Butts. I mean, there was all kinds of tough guys that we had to deal with in training camp. Because now all of a sudden there's a there's one or two positions over for the Red Wings. It kind of reminds me we had to fight our way into it, right?

SPEAKER_04 58:26

It's like Chaser, it's like when you and Twister came to St. Louis, there was a bunch of tough guys, and these guys like are well. They got the tough.

SPEAKER_02 58:34

There was Twister and pushed around, yeah. And then they came to sat and told us we're gonna draft you and sign you because Patty changed his attitude around that.

SPEAKER_04 58:42

Yeah, yeah. And Chaser loved Patty, and yeah, and he goes, like, obviously, he said, like, dude, we gotta get tougher.

SPEAKER_03 58:50

Yeah, well, that was Jimmy DeVelano in Detroit, and for the it took a couple years for the team to get better, but yeah, but once you get to the case, we got we had seats and we had seats in the or asses in the seats because of a lot of physical play and toughness that helped bring people back to the games, too.

SPEAKER_02 59:07

Yeah, well, you guys did a hell of a job of that because a couple years later, when we came to town, we knew exactly what we were dealing with. But Brian basically told us. A couple years later. He said, We used to beat the piss out of Detroit every game. He goes, You guys are going to the minors, okay? So bring all your stuff. We have a stop we got to make before you go to the miners. We're going to Detroit to play. You guys are gonna play, you guys are gonna play in the game. And this shit with being pushed around is stopping now. We didn't give a shit. We were just like, All right, and that's exactly what we did. We went to Detroit. I know I remember uh Twister's ribs being all banged up because you were punching him in the ribs because you couldn't get your right free. And then you fought Proby, and then I fought Crobert and Lee Norwood, and I remember going in the locker room after going to him. I wonder, you know, I wonder if every game is like this with these guys. This I mean, because hard to handle guys that size. And I was just 100 and whatever, 183 pounds. Oh, please. I was that's what I weighed.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:13

And what is that the metric system?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:16

I I weighed 183 when I came 2303 when I left the league, I weighed 197. Oh, god.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:25

You keep telling yourself that.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:27

Well, what do you think I weighed? I don't a lot. I didn't think you were over 2200 pounds. I don't know. No way, no, and they wouldn't have kept me if I was.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:36

Oh, that's right, because your legs weighed 14 pounds.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:39

Either way, I wasn't over 200 pounds. I know that.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:41

It's amazing you can keep that body upright with those chicken legs you had. Well, now I can't.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:49

I mean, I get up in the middle of the nighties on the food tray. You gotta shut her down there, pal. You probably said, I got it for her. Um she's grazing and communicating.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:14

Let's get back on let's get back on topic here. Um I thought she would have been full from all the corn she ate when you're spilling it around the floor of the bar. She's sprinkling it around for you because you talk the bar stool. Anyways, oh that teams in Detroit got good. Yeah, but not until 80. When I got traded to St. Louis 87. You guys ended up losing to Edmonton in the uh conference finals. Back to back yes. Glenn Hanlon was your your goalie. Yeah, you guys started to get really like it was like whoo. Detroit's there. Yeah, because you're in your bar in Edmonton. The best line in hockey, I think, at that point, besides whatever Gretzky was on, was Iserman, Galant, and Proby. Proby. And Proby got 30. Yeah, 29.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:17

29 goals and 398 penalty minutes, and he made the all-star team. Yeah, because he deserved it.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:24

Absolutely. Yeah, you know, it wasn't like the the big tall guy a few years ago that did it. Oh, yeah. From Buffalo. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I don't want to disparage him. He did it, and he won the MVP of the All-Star game. But you that's when things really and you, and then it was like, okay, so now it's 90s, and you kept adding pieces, and then all of a sudden it's fair. And didn't when did they bring in Scotty? So I was gone.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:01

Scott was uh Jacques was a good motivator. Yeah, he's a nice coach. He could he could he could make you run through a wall, right? But like a lot of the other coaches, it only lasts for two or three years, and you kind of the rah-rah stuff is over. But uh those guys, I got traded in '91 at the trade deadline to New York. So that all that Nick wasn't there. Sergei had just came. So and Konstantinov was on the why would they trade?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:30

Who'd they get for you?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:33

They're no, they got uh me and Pear Juice went to you mean Pear Juice that was on Minnesota?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:44

Is that the guy who would only play on the power play? Remember their comic defenseman? Yeah, it was like a power play guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:52

I don't know if it was a guy, but it was for Kevin Miller, Dennis Villal, and oh, the tough guy that played in Chicago now. Uh Jim Cummins. Oh, okay. There was uh it was Brian, uh Brian Murray claimed that I didn't want to fight anymore. And when I got to New York, they sent me to a specialist, and I had my tendon, my hand was torn in half, and it hurt too much to fight. Well, they fixed it in New York, and I never looked back at the end of the day. Could you switch to lefty, yeah? I wasn't good enough yet, no. But hey, I enjoyed going to New York. Where'd you live? Downtown? No, we lived down. You went in Rye? We were out in Rye, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:34

Because you had the you have family. Is that why?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:37

Like yeah, or we were my wife and I, we had our first child there, but uh because I feel like shrink was right there.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:42

If you were if you were single, you would have been downtown.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:45

Uh there was only a couple guys downtown, Leachie Mess. Maybe just Leachy and Messi then.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:52

Yeah, I think so. I think just because Leachie told me the story about when Keenan told him he couldn't live down there, and Mess went down, went over to Keenan and told him he's gonna be like, Don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:04

Someone's gonna drive me.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:05

Yeah, who else is gonna break their ankle on for me? But Brian Leach, what an awesome guy. I love Brian Leach. Yeah, one of the best guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:15

Like just such a subtle stuff, great human being, great for the game. Like people walk away going, Well, if that's what hockey players are like, sign me up because that guy's unreal. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:27

And just just so quiet, I'm assuming, and just did it every night. And sunny. Hot wife, too.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:36

Well, I mean, that's a thing. It's we all to hot wives. Well, I know, but like no matter how hot, like I love my wife, but the there's always things to look at that are like Jesus, how do you get that? You must have a cock like a horse. So anyway. But to Hold on. We had we we're leaving Detroit before Detroit's over, right? But yeah. So your time with Yeah, but they bought a cup in in New York.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:07

We don't forget.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:08

I know, but we're I want to know about his time with Bob. The time with Bob was because you were with him for eight, nine years.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:15

No, no. I was there seven years, and he didn't come the first year. It's probably six years before. Okay, six years. Yeah, because I remember. Well then he missed part of your federal prison.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:26

Didn't he? Didn't he you asked him to, you know, get in a fight he didn't really understand. He wanted to get back, or you told him to run around.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:34

Yeah, that was that was that would have been after the New York days. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:37

Right. Because you didn't have a place to play. You're playing rec hockey. Yep. Hold on. Let's not get we're so that's way too far away. No, no.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:45

That's up in that's when it's at the end of the New York thing. Yeah, it was '96, yeah. Yeah, but that's back in Detroit. Yeah. Well, we haven't even got, we haven't even got to when he had to play for Keenan with the Rangers and they won a cup the first time in 54 years.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:02

I thought we were talking about Proby and how good he was.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:05

Well, yeah, but we did, and then Chaser brought up something else. But like, I want to know about your time. Like, did he teach you things or did you teach him things? Proby?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:15

Yeah. Uh, we we were lucky that we had Colin Campbell as one of our assistant coaches. And Colin Campbell is head of disciplinary now or something for the NHL.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:26

He was at the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:27

He would stay on the ice of being proby after practice at least an hour and help us on the harder rounds on the boards or little plays that we had to learn where to stay on a defenseman and off in the defensive zone. He worked with us hand in hand and to to make us better hockey players.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:46

Yeah, good guy, Colin, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:47

He was a good guy. I loved everything about him. Um, and that's that was one of the reasons I got traded from from Detroit because he was he went to New York. He did. Him and him and Neil Smith, and they brought me in because they had Neil Smith was smarter than anyone gave him credit for.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:04

He was really he won the cup, and then all of a sudden it was like Keenan got rid of him too. Well, but Keenan was gone for it. Keenan left Port Neil. That's probably why they got rid of Neil, because Neil didn't realize Keenan was cutting deals behind his back. I don't know anything about that. Yeah, well, I do. So anyway. Go ahead. New York. I don't care about your ability to cover your defense. I wanted to Well, they couldn't put us on the ice if we couldn't. Well, of course. You gotta you gotta be trustworthy enough. Absolutely, but I want to talk about like what you what did you have conversations about games and players and things? Because I've listened to Chaser and Twister forever. Yeah, and I understand what they did. And I want like you guys were like there was a lot of tough guys way before you guys, but no one's as famous, I don't think, as you two. Did we kosher and prober?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:03

We did. We talked about, and that there's another part about Colin Campbell. Colin Campbell would he watch games, he watched all the games. We didn't get a lot of the games, but he'd he'd not only on the on the scout on the scouting report, it would be uh goal scorer, puck handler, defensive player. He would have righty or lefty on all the tough guys. So at least we knew if we hadn't played them yet, right? We had an idea of uh how they fought, and he'd come and give us the lowdown on some of these guys, and then probe and I would decide who's gonna get first shot at who and who's gonna get to run the goalie tonight, and just just things that kind of tried to excite Detroit and excite our team because we weren't winning.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:47

Yeah I remember Link Gates kicked the shit out of me and in the minors. I got called up the next day. Uh and Mario Merrois, I'm stretching, and I got a cut of my. I only been cut three times in fights in my life, and I got a cut in my eye, and got kind of a fat lip and black eye. And Mario Merwal says, Hey El Lee, is this the tough guy you tell me about? Because he don't look so good to me. And they're laughing, you know, and and I get called up, and that night uh I'm talking, like I had talked to my family, and I don't know if Joe told you or somebody told you, but he said, I got a phone call from you, and I don't know if you remember, but he you went, I got uh or Wendell was talking to you and said, Hey, call Joey. Anyway, you asked me about Gates Link, and he said, I'm gonna get him for you. And we were in LA, and you guys were playing in Detroit, yeah, right? Yep, and you got Link and we had it on the TV. And I said, Coach said he's gonna grab a hold of Link. I said, Man, I he beat the hell out of me the other night. Joey beat the living shit out of him, and I was sitting in the locker room going, Oh my god, this league is gonna eat me up. But I remember you getting uh link link in Detroit.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:05

Yeah, it was in Detroit. He was he was actually playing in Kalamazoo, right? So he was he was uh chirping to the Detroit media that he was gonna come to Detroit and take care of me and Proby. And so I got me a little wound up, and I got him right at center ice by the penalty box, and it was one of the better ones. He was he wasn't looking good, he was bleeding from a lot of places when he left the ice.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:32

That is to me, is the greatest part of your whole every like your your family of friends and like it's okay to to come out and be like, okay, I'm like okay, so you're a tough guy, but if you don't show the respect, you're gonna fucking get it. And you guys gave it. Well, it's it's in it ends up coming around and get to your bike, and it it bugs me to this day that the NHL is trying to get rid of it because it is the most honorable, and I've said this a million times, it's the most honorable part that has ever been a part of the NHL. I think it's coming back. Well, if it's coming back, it ain't coming back yet. But it is the most honorable part. Like if someone steps on a fucking stick, no one keeps punching them. It's like, hey, okay, hey, yeah, okay. You almost maybe even help the guy out, but it's like, hey, next time that fight we watched tonight.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:33

The guy was getting beat up pretty hard. Yeah, but at least now they're seeing it. The guy let up on him a little bit, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:39

It's like you're not trying to kill the fucking guy. You're like the the guy did something, so I'm gonna fight you. Yeah, okay. I'm not this isn't war, right? Yeah, there's a couple guys out there as well. Well, yeah, and I understand that there was a couple guys out there that I gave it to until they were pulling me off.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:56

Well, of course, trying to make a point.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:57

And there's like Link Gates beat up my buddy, I'm gonna beat the fuck out of Link Gates, and that's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:02

You know, and then coaches, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:05

But in a just a head-to-man, man-to-man fight in a game, it's an honorable, the most honorable thing there is, and every fan in the game stands up, yeah. No matter home or away, when there's a fight, the whole arena stands up. If there's a goal, only half the arena stands up. Or well, because whatever fucking team squakes the game, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:31

Let me get out of here.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:32

Hey, Doc, why don't you bug her off? We're in the middle of a show. Hold on. No, we gotta bring you up. Come on, Doc. This is Doc who takes care of Kelly with his cancer at Seitman Cancer Center and one of our biggest sponsors. And and uh obviously doesn't understand production, but that's okay. But he's a great he's a great man, big soccer fan, obviously.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:02

Yeah, and represent yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:04

We love you, doc, and we thank you for taking care of Chaser. And thanks for being the support system and always being with you. You know it, buddy. Because he needs it. And this is one of his best pals ever, Joey. Cozier.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:15

Absolutely. Okay, I'll see you, Martin.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:17

Love you, kid.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:19

Oh, there it was right there. That play. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:21

I'm gonna see, right? I'm gonna come back. Are we gonna take a break and we'll be right back.

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SPEAKER_02 1:17:32

And we gave away our whole second line and defenseman to make Vancouver Brown, Hedeken, and Dirk, and then no, Ronning, Momesso, Courtney. Ronnie Messo Courtney. Yeah, but Brownie was gone too there, and so was Hedeken, and so was Robert Dirk. So three guys on the back end, and three guys on the back.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:54

So we made two trades with Vancouver to get them to the finals. Right. Right, correct. You are correct, sir. Genius again. Another solid play. Well, you're never gonna win with Brad Hall. Well, I guess not when half my team's on the other team going to the Stanley Cup. So anyway. So uh we're watching that, and like it's it's a vested interest, not which way or another. But obviously, like we're looking at you and and uh and we've got these guys that we know in Vancouver, and it's like a it's a damn good series. Well, it was a penalty shots and shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:35

You know, it was a great series, but it's funny you're saying that Vancouver or that St. Louis traded all these guys to Vancouver. Well, Neil Smith was really smart. He went and got all the Edmonton guys that knew how to win. Exactly, right? We got Messier, Anderson, Lowe, Tiggs, Buchanan, Bucke, Tekken, and McTavish, Anderson. Unreal. Yeah, so we had uh that year was just uh um an amazing year for us. We were first overall, we had best penalty kill, we had the best power play, which I wasn't part of, of course, but and even at the deadline, Neil went and made five or six moves at the deadline to get the team even better. Right. He went and picked up uh McTavish, he picked up uh Glenn Anderson, he picked up uh Noonan and Matou. Double Mateau, who turned out to have two double overtime winning.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:24

Great underrated player was Brian Noonan. Noonan was awesome. I love anything on the ice, and power play penalty killing just take Keenan's shit and just shrug it off and just do his thing. Yeah, like that that's the only guy I've ever seen never let Keenan bother him one bit. Like some guys had killed him, and then other guys like me, it made me go berserk and fight him back. But Newdones was like, whatever, Holly, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:59

I just want to play. And he was. He was uh we had it, we had an amazing group of guys, and uh and you mentioned him earlier, Brian Leach. Oh and then and that team people will not realize, and it's probably never happened before. We had a leading goal scorer in the regular season and a leading goal scorer in the playoffs, each were defensemen, and they weren't the same defensemen. Zubov led the our team in scoring in the regular season, and Leach led our team in the playoffs and scoring. It wasn't forwards, it was those two. Crazy.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:35

That is unbelievable because I won the cup in Dallas with Zuby, and I'm like darts between I go, oh, absolutely, with my wife. Who okay? I don't know why they traded him. Yeah, that's what that's what my point is. Like, and and it was two teams before he got to Dallas. He went to Pittsburgh, yeah, and then Mario didn't like him because he wouldn't pass it to Mario on the power play, and they go, get the fuck out of here. And then we traded uh the Dallas before I got there, traded him for uh uh Kevin Hatcher.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:13

And he was he wasn't our best uh Russian player on that team, yeah. What Kovalev? Kovalev.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:18

Oh sick.

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I think it was Kovalev's might have been his rookie year.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:22

I think his stick was illegal. He his that that blade was like three feet long. I'm like, how do you play hockey like that? Did he ever notice that?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:34

How long his blade was? But he was sick. Oh, he was sick. He was kind of a mini Pavel Datsu. Not as good as Pav, but he could really make plays.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:46

He wasn't as good as Pavel, but he wanted to score way more than Pav. Yeah, yeah, right? He didn't just screw around, he screwed around to score, or Pavel screwed around just to embarrass me. Yeah, yeah, and piss me off.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:02

Which is not hard to do.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:04

Well, yeah, but uh I mean that team, and but I look at that team and I go, obviously, okay, he had Mark Messier, right? Yeah, but it's not like you had like Messier and Graves, that's like yeah, gravy, but but who was on the other side? Steve Larmer. He was kind of large, yeah. But old. It wasn't like someone, it wasn't like a lineup that you'd be like, oh, I'm petrified of these guys. Correct. Not like O2, but they gelled unreal together. Steve Larmer is one of my favorite players of all. I love him. Oh my god. Talk about smoking butts in between periods.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:47

Uh, best time I spent with Steve Larmor was the night we won the cup, about seven, eight in the morning. We're leaving the bar in our limos with our wives. Look across the street, there's a party store. Me and Larms each go get a six-pack for the hour drive home in the limo. Right. Like we didn't need it, but just him and I are gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:06

And and the the most unreal part is he won the cup with a guy. I know he hated Keenan. I know he hated him.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:14

You know, I there was not a lot of love for Mike. Right. I mean, he didn't treat people great. Um, we won.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:28

Right. Who are the uh assistant coaches? Uh Colin Campbell and Dick Todd. Hold on. Who in the fuck is Dick Todd Todd?

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Dick Todd, Peterborough?

SPEAKER_04 1:23:41

Yes, Ontario Hawk League. Yeah, wow. Would he have been there when Prongs was there or no, way later than that?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:49

I don't know. Maybe I'm pretty good.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:51

He might have won a uh Memorial Cup.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:53

Yeah, I think he did. Right, that's with uh Ritchie and those guys, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:57

I don't know, that's Ontario Hawkley.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:59

The ugliest man alive. So anyway, that is uh I mean, but okay, so what did we do after the game?

SPEAKER_03 1:24:07

Oh, we went to the auction house, I'm sure you've been there.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:10

Yeah, and uh well but what it was planned, right? Obviously, yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:16

Well, first off, we it was all planned for game five. Of course, because we were up 3-1 going home, we dominated the series, and we got blown out in game five and blown out in game six. So it was a little uneasy, but uh no, the team we that's when mess took over, right? Well, well, mess always takes over, but the big one mess took over was game six in New Jersey when we were down and he guaranteed the win. Guaranteed the win, and fires all hat trick in the third period on his own to win the game, and then we won double overtime with Steph Mateau scored in game seven. So no, that team was just you know what it was destiny.

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I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:53

I agree. We went through we do all kinds of shit, but we found a way to that, and that's what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:58

I like the greatest sign in all of hockey, I think, is now I can die in peace. I think that is I I wonder who that guy is and if he's still alive. I would think so. Yeah, he was he wasn't he wasn't a very old guy. Good, yeah. It but that is that's incredible. And then we come back to Detroit.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:19

Yep, I was playing beer leagues, playing in the uh on the alumni team. I didn't I didn't play in goal.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:25

Is that different than playing in the NHL and drinking a lot of beer?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:29

Holly Holly playing in the old timers with the old timers in goal.

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I was playing goal for the alumni team.

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I don't because you would you when our goalie would be go down, you would come out and suit up.

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That was when that's a good story. We were Jason, we were playing in Montreal. Yeah, we played the night before in Buffalo, Friday night, Saturday night in Montreal. And when I was a video coach, if they ever needed a goalie or something, I'd go out and screw around. Yeah, but this was a morning skate, pregame skate. Scotty called an optional because we played the night before, but because it was Montreal, everybody showed up except for Dom. Right. And he has to run a practice. He goes, Joe, would you go and go for this uh pregame skate? We're doing power plays. Holly's taking one timer. I am not, I'll no, no, no, I am not gonna make Joey mad at me. They were doing they were doing a power create power play drill, and guys were taking shots of me. Holly didn't hit me, nothing hit me except for fucking Homer. Yeah, because the Homer's not the brightest he kept trying to hit take slap shots into my glove, and he kept hitting me in the wrist, and I had to chase him down on the ice in front of everybody in practice. But I'm sure the Montreal crowd was really hoping that I'd be in goal that night.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:48

There's another we talked about uh we talked about the Hall of Fame, right? It's like okay, you've got the Hall of Famers, and then you've got people that maybe are in there that shouldn't be in there, and and then they've branched out for women in the Hall of Fame, and they've branched there you go, if you want to call it right, so a new level of Hall of Famers that you know they don't have 500 goals, they don't have 200 goals, but they were they they revolutionized their position, which is that's Hall of Fame stuff. Well, take that out of 500, 500, and 3,000 penalty matters. I am totally on board where Bob Probert should be the first guy in the Hall of Fame that was a futilist.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:51

He was the greatest at his job. He was the toughest guy to play the game, in my opinion. That's I'm sure Chaser and Twister, and they all. That but he also could play the game, absolutely 29 goals one year.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:05

He played on Iserman's line.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:07

He led that says enough right there for the Red Wings and scoring in the playoffs one year, probably 88 or 89.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:13

Yeah, they like that's when we were talking about when things started to turn for the Red Wings. And but if if other guys can get in there for being a pioneer or the best of what the way they played, or a chick. And I am I I don't mean to be but you are I am like it's the hockey hall of fame. Like you don't need to put a chick in there every freaking year.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:41

Well, I there's a few that deserve their their yes, there is. They've got they've got their own, you know. So like what the hell's the difference?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:51

There's there's people in the NHL that deserve to be in the Hall of Fame that aren't in the Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:56

I don't disagree with you.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:56

And there's a few that are in there that shouldn't be in there. Theo Fleury, Pat Verbeek, Big Walt. Like, I I agree with you. Well, hold on, yeah, but that's there's we still there's still time for them. They it's not like they're like they've been out for 30 years. But Pat Verbiek for sure, there's a guy that it's been a while. How many 600 goals? 560 goals? Some 500 goals. 560 goals, 3,000 penalty minutes, 10,000 penalty minutes? I mean, two Stanley Cubs. I mean, come on, you tell me Pat Verbeek's not a Hall of Famer? Yeah, no, it's well Pavel Beery is, he's got 600 points and eight penalty minutes and no Stanley Cubs. Well, but he was in that Vancouver team. Oh someone owed him a favor. I mean, seriously, come on. It's a it's a joke. The people that aren't in that should be in.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:55

I agree with you. I don't I don't disagree with you. We've had these conversations, and I I completely agree with you. I think like I played with Verbeek and think of it, you're in the Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:07

What? Yeah, Saskatoon Blades Hall of Fame. Oh, yeah, I mean it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:12

I had to uh speak at a hockey card deal with Gretz, and he was kind of taking some shots at me in the room where all the Hall of Famers were. Look at the trophies and his name was I said, What about that one over there? It's a pretty cool trophy. He goes, What is it? I said, King Clans. He goes, Oh yeah. Let's talk him for a second. I said, Your name on it? He goes, No, I didn't win that one. I said, Well, I did. He goes, What? You won it? And I go, Yeah, he goes, God, you shut up now. And I'm like, yeah, shut up. Way to pay attention, Wayne. Wait, quit picking on me, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:47

Well, are we gonna talk about the O2 team? The greatest team ever. Oh my god. Actually, the most skilled team ever. But I will I will say that 97 team that we had, top to bottom, the toughness on every line. Unreal.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:06

That that well, hold on about toughness on every line. Like I played against Kozlov, and fuck they weren't that tough.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:16

McCarty was with Iserman.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:19

No, he was not. On the 97 team, he did.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:25

Oh, yeah, he did.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:26

Really? Yeah. That year it was uh McCarty. Like, is that all the there was no one left? You know who Stevie played with? Him and uh the guy we got from uh Sandstrom, Thomas Sandstrom. Well, he was a good player, yeah, without a doubt. Then you'd uh uh serve Kozlov and Brown, Dougie Duggy Thomas Live, Dougie Bloun, then you had Shani, but he was a Marty Dougie was a good player.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:56

Dougie was a great player. And hold on, who would you have Igor? Igor, uh Shane, and Marty a point. And then you drap some. They didn't play Shanny with Iserman. Draper. They might have moved it around. I'm talking in Draper, Malt beat, and you. Yep. The original Grand Line. Yeah, just yeah, that was good. And uh, and and everyone talked about Fedasoff, uh Konstantinoff, uh Murph and uh Murph and Nick.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:26

Yeah, and then uh the 97 would be. And then it didn't matter Aaron Ward and Bobby Ross.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:32

Yeah, but the uh Ernie that was a good team. We always talk about the only thing that we were never worried about was the goalie, but he always came up Vernie. Was that Verney or was that Osgood? Ozzy was 98.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:43

Ah Verney, but that that uh it's good to see Vernie go in the Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:48

It was really yeah, I love Vernie.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:50

But those years everywhere that Toronto beat up their defensemen so bad, they always trading their defensemen.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:55

Yeah, because six because they're stupid, they go by what the fans say. Oh, boo Larry Murphy. Okay, we'll take them. Yeah, Larry Murray's a good player, great player, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:06

And we had Bob Rouse, we had Jamie McCowan, we had Dimitch Mirnoff. Yeah, we had Todd Gill for a while, and they all got booed by Detroit.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:14

Oh no, by Toronto, uh that's what I meant by Toronto, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I remember playing against all those guys. Do you think I want to play against Jamie McCowan? He was I played with miserable vlogger in the game. He was miserable.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:28

Who else was like that? That Bob Rouse. Bob Rouse. When you got done the game, you were just beaten. Yeah, he played against you. I had to play against Jamie. Well, I had to play against Jamie too, but I was in Toronto with him just long enough where he knew that I might just get even. So he left me alone for any while.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:49

But then O2, we were we were. Wiser. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:05

You could see the swagger mill.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:07

But Stevie was older, I was older, Chelly was older, Sergey was older, Robotie was older, Robotie, Nick, Nick, Igor. And then you just sue this little guy named Pavel Dash. And then Pavel and Boyd Devereaux, just to add some, and then what the weirdest thing is we had uh the little French guy on defense who never could figure out what stick he liked. Uh Danot. Not Dan Deneau. Not Matt Joe. Matthew was it Dan Danault? Yeah, yeah. Super nice kid. We would we would fall. He'd be cut off. Oh my god, every day and be like, and he wouldn't know what kind of stick he wanted it. Like, and we'd go like, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:51

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:51

And then we had Ui Group, dog sled master of the world. And we went down 0-2 to Vancouver.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:59

And Scotty goes, enough of Ui, and put in Freddie to play with Nick. Yeah, Freddie Olson.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:06

And it changed everything. And then uh Nick scored from center ice on Kluche. In game three. In three. Was it two nothing? Yeah, I think so. I think we were not.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:17

And then I think someone got a hat trick to end that one.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:21

I'm sure it wasn't uh anyone at this table.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:27

I'm not sure it was that game, but uh like that game, that goals changed everything. Kluche had no chance after that.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:37

No, he couldn't have saved what was your what was your best moment of that series of that, not that series, that playoff run?

SPEAKER_04 1:35:48

Well, that's a good question. Well, again, and it's not because I have an ego, but it was game three, and we're down one nothing with a minute and 40 seconds left, and there's a face-off in game five. No, game three. Three in the city. We're down one nothing in Carolina, and we have a face-off to the right of uh left of Urbe, right of us going down. And uh, I remember this and I'll until the day I die. And uh I'm usually the guy on the back end. It's like, okay, we're gonna win a backslider over Holly Slam it. Well, I'm on the inside of the circle, and and before the dot, Stevie comes to me and he goes, doesn't matter who wins this draw, you go straight to the corner. Don't look at the puck, don't do anything. Go straight to the corner, and so puck drops, and I go straight to the corner. And no, wait, on the side the puck is on? Yes, okay, yeah, not the far side, that side. And Stevie wins it over to the the boards, and it goes back to uh who do you have back there? Uh Sergey? No, Nick was on his off side, okay. And so it was kind of almost in slow motion, and it went over and back to the point, and I went to the corner and it was almost like, are you guys fucking stupid? And I came out of the corner and not one person paid attention to me. And I went right in front of the net and it went D to D to Nikki, and Nikki threw this perfect fucking little thing and I I Urbe went up to catch it and I tipped it in, and he started going high stick, and I go, there's no way that's high stick, and that was just like right here. And we tied it up with a minute and I don't know, 30 something seconds left, and then we wanted Igor won it in double overtime. Yep. And that was that's a series. That's the series right there. Because then the next night we won 2-1. I scored uh Boyd threw me one over, and I one timed it in and we won like two-nothing, I think. And then we won three, two, or four, two. Yeah, it was over.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:27

Was that the same series of uh Patrick Raw? No, that was we beat we beat Carolina. The series before. Did we beat Colorado? Come back and beat him in seven? Sure did. And that's because that was the second thought he caught the pocket that was the knocked it in.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:46

That was the second year in a row. So when in '99, when we won the cup in Detroit, we in the conference final, we were down three two to uh the avalanche, and we had to go to uh Colorado, and we beat him, and then came home and beat him in game seven to get to the finals against Buffalo. Ah, and then when I came to Detroit, we were down three two, and we went into Colorado and and beat him, and that was Shane's game. And then we beat him seven nine or seven.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:23

That's what Patrick got pulled. Yeah. First minute of the second period or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:28

We were they they had no chance. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:31

Yeah. It was like some good times.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:34

11 Hall of Famers on that team? At least 10, I thought. Jeez. Yeah, but that you gotta think of well, you gotta think of Scotty, you gotta think of Henrik?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:47

Yeah, I don't know. So we had uh Steve. According to the people that are in, yeah, he should be, yeah. Jelly, Igor, Fedasov wasn't there. Steve was gone. I think I think there was at least 10. Pavel.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:02

Yeah, Pavel, me, Shani, Fetty, Stevie. I think Holmstrom should be in there. Lidstrom, Chelle, Hasick, Hasick, Robotai, Larry Onoff. There's 10, and coach, and coach.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:27

Yeah, that's it. I mean, it's just yeah, it's just yeah, you know what?

SPEAKER_03 1:40:33

It was ten that were guaranteed to get in, and then Pavel got in after that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:39

Okay, what's the best Stanley Cup party that you had?

SPEAKER_04 1:40:43

Four down at uh four cups college. Well, it's gotta be with Kid Rock and Pam Anderson. Oh down at Lake St. Clair, yeah, over at Lake St.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:52

Clair. You know what? They were all awesome. Well, New York City had to be on real. No, but see, the best cup party that I had was back on the farm. Yeah, back in Kellington.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:04

Yeah, when it's yours, yeah, yeah, and your friends for sure. It's they're they're always the best, but with the guys, oh, with the guys we were at we were at Pantera's Vinnie Paul's house.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:16

Like it was fucking with the guys, probably was New York and the auction house. Yeah, right. That was just uh we were there late until the sun came up and then we had to go home.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:27

And you know, the the only thing that sucks about this whole thing is we'll never get a chance to win another one. Yeah, just gotta remember the ones we did, right? But I'll tell you, this is like unbelievable memories. Joey, thank you, buddy. Been a pleasure. Love you, brother. Thank you. Love you, brother. Kid, I love you, my man. Love you, partner. Thank you, bro. Until next time, this is Ice Guardians. Signing off. Oh, oh, oh.