REED LOW | Ice Guardians Ep 30

Kelly Chase and Brett Hull are hanging out with former St. Louis Blues forward Reed Low this week. Lowsy talks about coming up through juniors and the minors and how he developed into a tough guy in the NHL. The guys talk about how much the game has changed in the 20 years since Lowsy has been out and also revisit the Olympic Gold medal game between the US and Canada. Chaser asks Lowsy about some of the characters that he played with coming up and he talks about some of the best fights of his career including a training camp fight with Twister. The guys finish the night talking about the Blues Alumni and what it means to be part of the St. Louis community.

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SPEAKER_05 0:34

Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Ice Guardians. Out of the Sinbin, my partner Kelly Chase is back with our pal Reed Lowe. Always in the Sin Bin. From the Window World Studio, and brought to you by Sight and Cancer Center.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

Great to have you, Rito. Great to have you back, partner. Yeah, it's good to be back. Good to be back. Eyes are just sort of just giving me enough trouble where it, you know, pisses me off that I can't work, so here I am. Well, you're not happy unless you're pissed off anyway.

SPEAKER_07 1:08

You have nice eyes, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

Thank you. You're welcome. Two different colors. Two different colors, right? Michael. Looks like you got a new hat. Lime green. Yeah, like lime green and one eye. Yeah. It's like those Eskimo dogs. Well, it's way better than the usual bloodshot. Ah, Jesus.

SPEAKER_07 1:29

Old habits die hard.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

So, Lozie, what have you been up to, my man? Welcome in.

SPEAKER_07 1:34

Thank you, man. First off, this studio is awesome. It's so crazy. Obviously, I've been watching you guys do this, watching the clips on all the social media and everything. And so, like, first thing come in, obviously say hi to Holly, and then just kind of like walk around and go, wow, like, what are we? This is incredible. I was not expecting there to be so much. Got a chance to look at the Lambo. Great pictures, too, huh? Great pictures, jerseys everywhere, jerseys hung in the back. But I I hadn't had an up-close look on the Lambo yet. And I just had to make sure there was a picture of 34 on there, and there is beaten up by Brooke Bank. He took care of all you tough guys on there. I'm giving Brooke Bank some love, which Wade was a great dude. We had a good tilt, and uh, so we're on the Lambo, and uh man, just so good to be here hang out with you guys. Uh you know me, just chilling out, uh, out in the community doing auctions, trying to help people raise more money. That's that's that's good.

SPEAKER_05 2:28

That's typical of the blues alumni here in St. Louis helping people out.

SPEAKER_07 2:33

Yeah, yeah. And and uh, you know, obviously uh I'm the B team. Chaser, uh Chaser's the auctioneer, and then I get to slide it. I get to slide in whenever uh he wasn't available.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

You can take it over.

SPEAKER_07 2:46

Well, when I first got there, like the first time I ever did an auction, so I am a third generation auctioneer. My dad, my grandfather, my uncle are all auctioneers, and went to uh Mason City, Iowa in 1974 and got their auctions license.

SPEAKER_05 2:59

And then uh there's actual you have to actually like go to school.

SPEAKER_07 3:04

Yeah, you have to if you want to like not to do charity auctions like we do, but if you want to go cattle auction, farm machine, cars, you have to have a license in each of them.

SPEAKER_05 3:12

I thought for sure that it was just people with Tourette's using their to their advantage.

SPEAKER_07 3:18

No, no, so literally the first time I ever went, Chaser couldn't make one of the events. It was back in like 2013, and I'd been with Richie Brothers for probably five or six years, and I was just a sales guy. They went out and got you know equipment to the auction and built relationships. And Twister's like, Chaser's not here, you're an auctioneer. Get on the stage. I'm like, I am not an auctioneer. You ever know? And he's like, Twister tells you to get on stage, you get on stage, right? So I get up on stage and I get off. They're like, what was that? I was like, I don't know. They're like, dude, that was awesome. You gotta do that again. And somehow over the last 12, 13 years, I've uh turned it into a living, and uh, it's how I support my family, and uh people seem to like me. So I did 50, I did 57 auctions last year.

SPEAKER_05 3:59

You gotta you gotta learn his magic trick. It's funny, he gets up there and there's a list of things to sell, and there always seems to be an extra two or three that come out of that. It's like it's like the ace up there. Oh, yeah. Oh, and by the way, you both got a deal.

SPEAKER_07 4:15

How about that, right? Trust me, I washed enough. I got the ace of my sleeve too.

SPEAKER_05 4:19

Well, yeah, he he does it on commission.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

Well, it's funny though, you when you talk about it because Holly just said that's typical St. Louis, but it's sort of here you're sort of obligated, which you should be, to give back. When you're doing the auction, there's times where you're gonna get stuck with stuff. I don't know if you you got stuck at all. I got stuck with the with the uh cemetery plot one time.

SPEAKER_05 4:49

What? Who auctions off a cemetery?

SPEAKER_02 4:53

I've never done the Italians, yeah. I was over on the hill doing an auction. Yeah, and they told me as a guy who's gonna bid up to 8,000 for this for this cemetery plot. And I'm like, what? And just like you guys, I'm looking to I say, This is serious. Like, right? Yeah, cut to 4,600 bucks. He must have figured I was the one bidding against it. And he just said, No, I'm done. So two days later, I got a call from Bart Saracino. He says, All right, we're gonna take that cemetery plot. I said, Good, because when I went home and told my wife, she told me I didn't get rid of it in two weeks, I'd be married.

SPEAKER_07 5:30

Bart Saracino, isn't he one of the best? Oh, you got that right. Oh, he's so good. The whole family, that uh Mike, John, Chris, uh all the guys there.

SPEAKER_05 5:39

Uh well, I think everyone on the hill is some sort of Saracino, right? Well, from Canettos right over to Sanson. Yeah, or Sanso.

SPEAKER_02 5:48

Uh what when when you're talking about uh all the boys like that, Bartonham, they've just done a terrific job of being, I mean a huge part of the community, but their restaurants are great.

SPEAKER_07 6:00

Unbelievable, unbelievable food. And I owned a wine and spirits distributorship. I closed it down a few years ago. But that's not very smart. It wasn't. We didn't make any money, so why keep it open? Uh, and it's just too tough with Southern Glaziers. But um, they I knew the I knew the family. Um, early on, Bart would I would always do his auction for the golf tournament. He'd give me a team and I'd do the auction, and it was kind of our deal. And as soon as I walked in those guys' doors and said, Hey, listen, I got some alcohol. They're like, How can we help you? And they were my best customer for five years. Like just unbelievable family, unbelievable people. And uh yeah, funny. Funny story about actually Chris's wife. I got a little bit inebriated one night. I know that's shocking.

SPEAKER_05 6:42

I think it's either you are or you aren't.

SPEAKER_07 6:44

There's no little bit, it's like a little bit of pregnant. So we were at the Italian open dinner, not the golf course, but the dinner. And uh, and like three months later, they had a dinner at the house, and I was over there showing off some of the wines and doing this, that, and and his and Chris's wife comes out to me and she's like, Oh, you don't remember me? And like they totally had this thing, like I was like hitting on her thumb, and I was like, I didn't do anything. And she's like, Ah, just kidding. I'm like, I met you one time. How can you play me like that? You know, but that's how they are, nothing but fun.

SPEAKER_02 7:15

And with all with the respect of the hard work, uh their son, Chris's son, played in the uh played for the Italian team in the Olympics just now.

SPEAKER_05 7:25

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

Yeah, yeah. So really cool. Yeah, you gotta give them kudos for that.

SPEAKER_05 7:31

The Italians are coming on, they just beat Team USA in the World Baseball Club. And then kicked the hell out of Mexico uh to help uh USA advance last night. So funny. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 7:45

So I didn't know I didn't know the Italians played baseball.

SPEAKER_05 7:48

Neither did I. Bocce ball.

SPEAKER_07 7:51

Yeah, I'm like they're the champions of that for sure. That's the truth.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

Well, Rosie, you kind of came up, uh I would say a little bit of the hard way because where you where you uh where you grew up in Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan. Where's Moose Jaw? Six feet from Moose's ass.

SPEAKER_08 8:12

My favorite joke was.

SPEAKER_07 8:13

It's not far from the truth either. You know, I gotta tell you guys a story before we go. Don't forget what you're gonna say. Hold your hand up or something. But uh my first year in training camp, I'm on the elevator, Joel Quimville and three scouts come on. And and the one scout from Ontario asked me where Moose Shaw, Saskatchewan was, and it came out, and I was like, oh, did I just say that? Joel was laughing, everybody was laughing, but I just wanted to eat those words back up. I'm like, my first training camp, I can't believe I talked like this to a scout, but they ended up laughing at it. But yeah, Moose Shaw, it's cold back there, but you know what it's like. You're probably a little bit colder up in Porcupine, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

We have a tree up there if they still can see my not nerfed the coconut.

SPEAKER_05 8:52

We watch our dog run away for three days. My not. I mean, you they should have just called every place you were Moose Jaw. Minots can't be much different than Moose Jaw. So cold. Or Porcupine.

SPEAKER_07 9:03

So cold. That everybody uh, why go back to Canada? I'm like, well, you go to Moose Jaw in December for a week and see how fast you get back here.

SPEAKER_02 9:11

You want to get back to what we'd be calling Hawaii here. Anyways, um you played, speaking of Myanot, you played in Minot, you played junior. Junior hockey. You weren't like a drafted WHL guy or anything like that, or signed on a list or anything. Six foot four, nobody wanted you in the Western League.

SPEAKER_07 9:32

I had a plow behind me until I learned how to get that thing off. But uh yeah, no, I uh I was a it's a crazy story because it's actually kind of how I became kind of an enforcer and a tough guy because I didn't, I've never been in a street fight or bar fight ever in my life. I just it was not my thing. And I was a bigger guy coming in my second year midget, or sorry, my first year midget, and I went to a spring camp um for the Minot Americans. At the time, they were the Minot Americans, and I was in Regina, and I had a really good camp, so they put me on their list, went back down to Mynot that uh that fall. And I took my sister, my dad, my mom, and my buddy who was listed too. I had a duffel bag for the weekend, and uh I get make the uh the intersquad game and I beat the two toughest guys in the team up from the year before, and I scored four goals in the game. And Jim Rock, who I think is still a scout for Toronto, he was the coach at the time, Lake Superior State coach too. He goes, Uh, you think you can do that again, Lozy? And I go, score four goals in a game. He's like, No, no, no, I'm not worried about that. He's like, beat the hell out of him. I'm like, does it mean I'm gonna make the team? He's like, You point them out, I take him out. I'm like, sign me up, let's go. Like, let's go. And so he literally did that my first year. I was 17 years old. I was a senior in high school, left home, and he'd be like, go get number two. And I'm just geared up. Like, my coach has sent me on a mission. I'm going to crush somebody, you know? And uh, that's how it happened. And the funny, like the crazier part of that is I did pretty good that year in fights, and so guys were tying up my right hand. So that summer I went home to Del McNeely's gym in Musha, Saskatchewan, and I tied a tensor bandage around a heavy bag, and I threw my left hand as hard and fast as I could twice every day until failure. And I went back the next year, they grab onto my right, boom, hit me the left. And as I made my way through my career, there's a lot of guys that think I'm a lefty, but I'm not. I'm a natural righty. I just learned how to use it.

SPEAKER_05 11:24

Well, and that's that's smart, you know. I mean, if you're you know, I always think of Guy Carbonot, you know, he's a hundred-point guy in junior, and uh he went to Montreal, and he obviously knew right then and there that he wasn't gonna make it as a scorer. And he became one of the greatest offensive players of all time. I mean, it's like dinosaurs. If you can't adapt, you're gonna become extinct. Know your role. If you can't play it, find another one. That's right. That's good for you. I'm uh I love to hear stories like that. And uh what were the points the second year?

SPEAKER_07 11:59

Uh yeah. Uh there was not a lot of points, but the funny part is, is I was a 19-year-old rookie. I had no high school because I didn't, I dropped out, and uh I was trying out for the Moose Shot Warriors, my hometown team, and Al Tour was the coach. And Al Tour's like, we're gonna give you some exhibition games, this, that, and next thing. I beat up Mill Mastad and and and Kevin McKay. And I'm like, all right, let's go. Who's next? I didn't even make the intersquad game. So I ended up going on a three-day bender, got cut from the team, told my dad I was gonna quit hockey. My dad's like, what are you gonna do? I said, I'm gonna sell real estate with you. He said, I didn't know I was hiring. My dad asked me to go down to Myanot for one more month. If I if I didn't like it after that, I could come home and he teached me everything. I didn't come home to sell real estate 30 days later. I had 10 goals and seven assists in my not that third year. Warriors called me back up, and that next summer I got drafted in 1996 by Lucia or by St. Louis Blues. So literally, I was getting ready to quit and my dad talked me into staying, and so I ended up getting drafted by Patty Gunnell.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

Yeah, Paddy Gan. My boy Patty Ganel. You know what's funny about about that? I had that same scenario. So there's kind of no plan B. You're either gonna farm, shovel shit in the wintertime, or you're gonna frozen shit. Yeah, or you're gonna figure it out and how to how to find a role, like you said. And the same thing, I get cut, don't get put on anyone's list. Then Mooshja lists me. They cut me and send me back to humble. And I'm like, I'm not going. I'm not going. And uh Wendell's like, well, where are you gonna play? And I said, I don't know, but I'm not going. I just had the best camp I could have, and they don't think I'm good enough. He said, Go to Saskatoon, I'll call my dad. They were harvesting, he was on the combine, he did not want to be hearing about me from hockey from home. So I told him in humble I wasn't coming back. Well, where are you going? I said, I'm quitting. And I had already got a bus ticket to Saskatoon with Tim Shovel Day. We both got cut. And we went in there and uh played the the day after we got in. We got in late at night. We played the next day against Brandon. Chevy played half the game, they never scored on him. And then we ended up winning 7-2. I had a goal, I had two fights, and uh we went to Prince Albert right after that. And Wendell hadn't gone to Leafs Camp yet, he was drafted first overall. And he looked at me and he said, Hey, this guy Baumgartner is freaking tough. I said, I know who he is. Explain to me how tough bombers right now. And a lefty. Well, if you want to play, go get him. So I went after Bomber, we fought. Um, I shouldn't say I went after him. We just ended up fighting and I did pretty well. And after the game, Marcel Como said, Hey, listen, go to the hotel tonight. In the morning, you get up, get all your clothes packed, we're putting you with a bill. And they moved me in with Todd McClellan and his family. So, you know, I was two days from shutting her down. Just had enough of you know, the three of us had done really well.

SPEAKER_05 15:11

I quit when I was 17. Like, look at the trio. There's not three. But if you don't, you know, you once you make the decision to say, okay, I'll give her another go, you you gotta take advantage of it. And and it's worthless if you don't. Yeah, you know, it's like when your golf ball hits a rock and stays in bounds, and yeah, you'd better not hit the next one out of bounds. You guys knock her on the green.

SPEAKER_02 15:37

What uh the scenario is actually the same for a lot of guys, but for you, you you just packed it in completely for yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:47

Well, and that was the thing because up the you know, I was in North Vancouver, and uh like there was nothing. I was there was not a major junior team or a BC tier two team that even knew I existed. So uh, you know, one phone call, and it's it's bizarre. I think about it every day.

SPEAKER_07 16:09

Uh and we talked in December at the at the 123 club event, 106 goals in 54 games and in uh in the BCJL in 82, 83? Is that the year? 82, 83, like one early 80s. Let's just go there.

SPEAKER_05 16:23

Yeah, because I went my freshman year in at Duluth was 84, 85.

SPEAKER_07 16:27

So it's still a record today, and it's probably a record that's never going to get broken, but like 106 goals in 54 games. Like it's absolutely astronomical. And he was like thinking maybe I shouldn't play hockey more.

SPEAKER_05 16:40

It was like I I keep looking back and I go, I there's no way I made a deal with the devil. I know I didn't. So it's like, holy mackerel.

SPEAKER_07 16:49

Well, what's really fun about the Western Hockey League, and and so I got to grow up watching it. 84 the Moose Char Warriors got to town. It wasn't long after that that they had like you know, Kelly Buckberger, Pat Bouchey, Lyle Oldline, Jim McKenzie, and and then Saskatuna come to town. Mike Keene, don't forget Peter did.

SPEAKER_05 17:07

Like, did did any of the teams have good players? Every time we I I sit and listen to you guys' stories about the teams, it's like 15. They were the good players. They were the good players. I'm like, holy cow.

SPEAKER_07 17:21

Yeah. They had Theo Fleury, so they had a couple, yeah, they had a couple good ones. And uh, but just watching those games, you know, and then the Prince Oliver Raiders and Medicine had Tigers were the same. Every team had five or six or seven guys that were would absolutely are not scared to brawl at all, you know. In fact, uh Chaser and his uh kind of uh generation were the reason why my generation in the Western Hockey League only had one team on the ice at one time for the house. Well, absolutely. I remember when that rule came out. Us and PA Raiders hat. Or but it was the Madison hat.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

I thought it was PA Raiders PA Two Mason and Mooshaj's net one, but we had the brawls and warm-up, and they just said done. So if you were the visiting team, we're having separate warm-ups now. We're like, what? You got it ready? Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 18:13

And you should like the poor, the poor refs. I mean, there's only three of them back then, and there's 27 guys fighting. Oh god. All right, we're gonna take our first break from the Window World Studios, brought to you by Seitman Cancer Center. This is Ice Guardians. We'll be back.

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SPEAKER_02 20:45

Well, I remember when it was speed slow instead of read low.

SPEAKER_07 20:53

It still is.

SPEAKER_05 21:01

You couldn't have been when he came?

SPEAKER_07 21:04

I was headed to I talked to Kelly Chase. I played 250 games with the St. Louis Blues, and I had a conversation with Kelly Chase every single night before a game.

SPEAKER_03 21:13

Right.

SPEAKER_07 21:14

And I never had to, I never ever, ever had to like find him. Every night before the game, he'd come find me. He's like, How you feeling tonight, kid? I'm like, I'm feeling good. I'm like, anything I gotta worry about? He's like, nope. He's like, you know this, you know this. My first year. There was a little more dialogue. Hey, watch this guy, watch that guy. You know, this guy acts up a little bit, but just kind of this, do this, don't go after him. Like, just basically help me be a be an NHL enforcer. And it was so comforting. And I was scared to death of getting sent to the miners. I tell people all the time when I signed an NHL contract at 21 years of age, I'd only played three years of tier one hockey my entire life. So I've been cut more than I don't know, any boxer in the history of the world. And uh and so I was always worried about it. So in my rookie season, I was on Like nine fights in my first nine games, and like 20, 20, and 30, and like I ended up having like 26 fights and 56 games my first year because I almost had to go out there and just get that off my back so that I could go play hockey. So I just chased somebody around my first ship.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

Off your mind, too, right? And that's you felt like you had to fight every night. You really didn't.

SPEAKER_07 22:20

I didn't, but I I did feel like I had to. And that's I was scared to not, you know.

SPEAKER_05 22:25

I think it'd be nice for people to kind of learn that I bet you they're just obviously from 30,000 feet, they go, well, that guy's tough, so he just goes out and fights. There is an art to that job.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:40

When to do it, how to do it, uh, knowing your opponents, uh, understanding, you know, so many intricacies of the game. And it's not just, oh, I'm big and tough and I can fight. I'm gonna go fight this guy. There's far more to it than that. And there is, and I you guys can expand on that.

SPEAKER_07 22:58

I wouldn't know. And I we well, if we didn't have you, we wouldn't have jobs. So appreciate that. Fair enough. Uh, but uh, you know, and Chaser would talk about like that the first part of my, he's like, hey, like, you don't have to like bring them to you, bring them to you. You don't know what to look at it. But I just was so nervous and so had so much anxiety about it that I almost like just wanted to go do it. And I'm like, and I would tell him, like, well, if I have to get in two, I don't care. I had 73 fights and 123 junior games in the Western League. I had 49 fights and 77 games in the minor leagues. Like, fighting was not a problem on the ice for me, and I didn't care if I had two or three a night, but I almost had to get that first one out of the way just so I could relax and have to go out and play the game and not be a liability. Because that that that was that, you know, late 90s, early 2000s, that's when that game turned. Like, you can't be a defensive liability out there. Like, I worked extremely hard on my skating and just like my game of hockey so that I wasn't like so the coach wasn't scared to put me out there on a defensive side. And if that puck got to the blue line and it was me versus that defenseman, like he wasn't beating me to that puck. Like, I had to get that puck outside that blue line, right? And I knew that, and I knew the little things that I had to do to be successful in the game, but I struggled my first year and a half just trying to understand how to just allow the rule to come to me. I was just so amped up that I just had to chase it a little bit. And Chaser was huge in allowing me to kind of understand how to take that role and make it uh make it something that I allowed to come to me where I Well, it didn't always have to be the heavyweight either. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:35

You know, that that was kind of Well, when you're as big as him, it kind of did, didn't it? I mean, once in a while it's okay to slap somebody.

SPEAKER_07 24:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:43

Well, yeah, if they thoroughly deserve it, but you're not going out hunting those guys. No, right? No.

SPEAKER_07 24:48

Bob Bootner got it when I got 57 penalty minutes in one night.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

That's a record.

SPEAKER_07 24:55

Uh, number two, actually. Yeah, there had to be someone during those frog days. Rich Fox or something like that. His name is in 1979, had 67 minutes, 57 seconds, and then I got 53 in Detroit against you one night. And so I'm the only player in NHL history that have two 50 plus polyminute games in a career.

SPEAKER_04 25:14

That is uh nothing.

SPEAKER_07 25:16

He went after you guys are kicking the hell out of us 11 to 2, and Joel Quindle says, Lozie, you're up next, and I want to see it for the rest of the game. And I'm like, unloosing the screws, baby, let's go.

SPEAKER_05 25:27

You know, obviously, besides the uh the fighting part of it, I I always admired you guys for being able to sit there for so long in between shifts and then still go out there and be able to move your legs. Because if I missed a shift, I was like, oh my god, my legs. Oh dude. I couldn't imagine sitting there that long. And then, okay, and you still gotta you've gotta pay attention because you gotta understand what's happening in the game and and whatnot.

SPEAKER_07 25:57

So the craziest part is holy, every single time I was up, I'm getting ready to go, and then they've like power player penalties, but I'm like, are you kidding me? And typically my two line mates were killers, right? So I was the grocery stick, stopping the forwards from the D, and I'm just like, oh my god. And then, of course, back to the bottom of the lineup.

SPEAKER_05 26:18

Well, me and you were uh, you know, kind of similar in that because I dreaded the penalties too, because they were not putting me on the ice either. I could have just slid down there and had a conversation with you for a couple of minutes.

SPEAKER_07 26:32

I remember we were uh we were playing you guys in Detroit one night, and uh I'm on the ice, and uh Lucky Luke was on the fourth line. Yeah, pretty good fourth line. Larry Anoff and uh Holstrom. And so it's like for me, it was like I was not looking to do anything. Like, I'm gonna finish my checks, I'm gonna play hard, but this is a night for me to kind of get some ice time, right? And I don't I don't have to go out there, I don't have to worry about anybody coming after me. Now unless, like, if I were to do something stupid, Mac would have come at me, whatever. It doesn't matter. McCarthy didn't want McCarthy, not the biggest guy in the world either, but toughest guy. Lefty too, right? Lefty too, yeah. I loved Mac. He was so good. And uh, so, anyways, I come up first shift against Lucky Luke, and I come up and I'm like, look at that. I'm kind of giving a little nudgy looks at me, like, oh my god, I go, he's shadowing me today.

SPEAKER_05 27:23

I know, right? And we always love to hear that one, because there was times when uh, you know, I remember I was out there against Stu Grimson, and I'm I'm kind of looking, I'm like, what the hell is Stu Grimson lined up next to me? And uh he gave me a little whack on my stick, and I I go, fuck off, Stu. And he goes, Don't swear at me, Brett. I'm like, okay, Stu. I go, leave my stick alone. Yeah, I need it.

SPEAKER_07 27:50

But it's you know, for me, it was like I gotta I I enjoyed play, like get an opportunity to kind of like play in Detroit. And I didn't get a lot because it was usually a time for them to get somebody in the lineup, give me a night off. But when I did get to play in Detroit, it was fun because I knew that I for for one night I could just kind of go up there and worry about having some fun playing hockey.

SPEAKER_05 28:10

And after Bob uh Probert left and Joey retired from Detroit, it kind of, and probably to your guys' detriment, kind of changed uh the way teams looked at it. Yeah, and they were probably the first team to ever have four really good lines without really an enforcer. Yeah, you know, Darren McCarty was tough, Chelly was tough, Shanahan was tough.

SPEAKER_07 28:38

He had like a J pusher on back end, like they might have a guy that was a solid defensive defender like a chuck, but enforcer a lot of healthy scratches in Detroit.

SPEAKER_05 28:48

Yeah, and so uh you know, you watch way more hockey than I do right now. When do you think that uh really became uh a thing in the NHL? It's been in the last 10 years or two. It's more natural than that.

SPEAKER_07 29:02

It's start for me when I look back at it, it started when they changed the instigator rule. So it was in 1995, 96, somewhere in there, where they said, hey, listen, like if you went out there and did something stupid, someone's gonna come out and grab you, they'd get a two-minute minor. Whether you threw a punch or turtled, you were getting a five-minute major. That was kind of like your punishment. And then Gary Bettman changed. That was one of the first things he changed. Where if a guy turtled, then the guy got five, two, and ten. So now I put my team in a seven-minute, five-minute major where you can score as many times as you want, plus the two-minute minor, plus the 10-minute misconduct. And that was really where coaches started to kind of pull back on that. And like Joel Quimble used to tell me, Hey, Lozie, you got the red light. I'm like, the red light? What's that? Are we playing Red Rover here? Like, what if somebody punches Al in the face? Right. I'm mulling that guy. Like it could be in the South County Mall or it could be on the ice.

SPEAKER_05 29:56

But Joel was really good at understanding.

SPEAKER_07 29:58

Understanding it, but he also showed you guys a lot of respect. A lot of respect, but he also wanted me to not go out when it was five-nothing and get in a fight. Where back in the day, that was just the way it happened. Yeah, it was automatic.

SPEAKER_05 30:09

That's what happened, right? Because when we had Wendell Clark on, you know, back in the day when it was the the Chuck Norris, the black and blue division, he would go, you know, we wanted those games close because as soon as someone got a two or three goal lead, it was like, oh boy, here we go.

SPEAKER_07 30:27

But honestly, if you look back at those games, comparatively speaking, to how they get a little out of hand with high sticks and some dirty play today, like part of what I signed on the dotted line was three ways to fight. Number one, beginning of the season, I got to find out who's my guy. Like who's the toughest guys in the league? We're all gonna get it going, right? Beginning of the season. Uh, the second way to fight is like, hey, if there's uh uh a lead that gets out of hand, we're going out to challenge each other and we're gonna settle the score, and then hockey's gonna get back at it. And usually at a good hockey game after that, exactly. Or retribution. Hey, you touched my guy now, I'm gonna take you down, right? Like those are the three ways that stick it up for my teammates and making sure I take care of them. So they kind of eliminated some of that role, and I think it's why you see today where teams are not as scared to have 12 quote unquote skilled players, even though a lot of the guys that are tough guys today are good skaters, can be physical, that kind of stuff, but it's not like it was. But it is to me, it has hurt the product 100%.

SPEAKER_05 31:28

You know, the they need to get back to where okay, so they're not gonna have the the air quotes enforcer, but there's still plenty of Brendan Shanahan's out there, and you know, but and they gotta when they want to fight, stay stay away and let them fight because the fans love it.

SPEAKER_07 31:47

They loved it and they miss it. Yes, and Kelly Chase told me a long time ago nobody's nobody's going to the hot dog stand when there's a fight. In fact, not only are they not at the hot dog stand, they're running back in to see the fight, they're leaving their hot dog at the stand.

SPEAKER_05 32:00

That's why I always say it. There's two times in the game when they stand up. There's a goal and a fight. Yeah, and every single person stands up on a fight, whether it's home or away. 100%. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_08 32:12

100%.

SPEAKER_02 32:13

Wow. Yeah, there's a learning curve in there, too. That if you don't learn it, you're not going to stay around very long. And it's when and how to do the job, because you just brought it up. Yeah, that's what we were talking about earlier.

SPEAKER_05 32:29

There's a science to being an enforcer in the NHL. And uh, you know, a guy that we know, a good friend of ours, Ryan Reeves. You know, he's coming up on over a thousand games, I believe, pretty soon.

SPEAKER_02 32:43

And uh that that's a hell of a long time for a for a guy that uh I remember looking at Craig Baruby's stats thinking Unreal, right? Oh my god. 3,000 penalty minutes, um, you know, however many games, thousand-sum games.

SPEAKER_05 32:59

I'll tell you what, if the Toronto Maple Leafs fire him, they need to just burn down that franchise because they have no clue what they're doing or what they have. I mean that franchise they can't screw it up any worse than they are. It's you know, I'm trying to so why do you fire Brendan Shanahan? He's just he's the president of the team.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

He he, you know, he's not drafting players, he's not, you know, maybe he has a little bit of say in who they hire, but you know, even still let's suggest that that's the case. This team was at the top, then you know, one game away from going to the finals and like stuff like that under his leadership.

SPEAKER_05 33:40

Well, and how many times have we talked about how stupid this playoff format is? There's you know, for the last I don't know how many years, you're losing four legitimate Stanley Cup contenders in the first round.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

Yeah, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:53

And it's just dumb. It's you're better off being a wild card team than being second and third. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 34:01

Yeah, I don't, I you know, obviously the NHL, since we had our 405 lockout, the the game's grown significantly from a financial statement. And when you look at the NHL and you just look from 2012 to now what the blues are worth, comparatively speaking, to what they were purchased for. And you know, it but at the end of the day, sometimes I feel like they just work a little too hard and just not let it. Sometimes you just need to let the chili simmer.

SPEAKER_05 34:25

Yeah, and I saw the other day that uh a reporter or someone asked Bettman about going back to the one versus eight, you know, two versus seven, and he said, no, I like the way it is right now, and it just shows you like, and I like Gary. He's a hell of a nice man, and and and Mr. Daly, his his deputy is an awesome guy, but you know, if you can't look at the playoff system the way it is right now and realize that it's it's not good, you you don't know much.

SPEAKER_07 34:54

I uh I've got post-concussion syndrome, so I was thinking about something when we were talking a little bit before about the enforcers and some of the careers. I fought Ty Domi twice, and that guy for me is like probably one of the most legendary kind of enforcers multiple times, had over 10 goals, double-digit goals. Has the NHL record for most fighting majors? 339 fighting majors in the NHL.

SPEAKER_05 35:22

There's that magic number 39 coming up.

SPEAKER_07 35:25

It's crazy. I'm like, you had how many? Uh uh just how many did you guys have?

SPEAKER_02 35:31

I have no idea. He's railing rattling off all himself.

SPEAKER_07 35:35

So Chaser's like somewhere in like the 150 range. I was about 90. Uh, we're actually I actually know that I had 350 from Junior. Junior miners, yeah. Yeah. But in the NHL, I know that you were that doesn't count off the ice. No, I'm zero off the ice. Still, I yeah, I don't want to bite anybody. I don't want to like get up beer cheers, you know. Now, if we were at a bar and somebody was messing with you, absolutely stepping in front and saying, Okay, you got one big guy to go after, but now Benox be that. That would never happen anyway.

SPEAKER_05 36:08

That would never happen. I I don't know how many bars me and Chaser went to together. Not once did he ever get in a fight.

SPEAKER_07 36:15

No, there's no need.

SPEAKER_05 36:16

Well, maybe not. He wanted to kill a bunch of autograph seekers, oh, I can tell you that.

SPEAKER_07 36:22

For sure. So uh a little trivia question as we're on the trivia, because I love trivia. Obviously. First, second, and third St. Louis Blues all-time fighting majors leaders are number one, number two, number two. Yes, number one. Nobody gets that. Oh, really? Brian Sutter's number one. I'm two. Yeah. Who's three? You're three. Is it me with the coaches? I had number four, Brian and the coaches. I had 83 fighting majors, you had 84 fights with coaches. I didn't know that until it came out on Facebook the other day because I didn't expect it. I only played four years and had 256 fights or uh games, so I wasn't expecting to be on that list, especially with some of the guys that have played in St. Louis, but it was kind of interesting to see that. But 167 fighting majors, Brian uh Sutter had.

SPEAKER_05 37:15

I bet you Bobby Gassoff, if he didn't pass away, would have had a few. I don't know. But you mean Blues would have kept anyone around long enough.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

He was a lot like Twist when everyone was terrifying terrified. You know, so I don't know that that would have happened. We got four minutes 20 seconds left in this first period. Blues are down one-nothing. They're getting outshot 13 to 2. I yeah, I don't think they need to uh Zamboni that end of the ice. No, it's certainly been tilted one way.

SPEAKER_07 37:47

It's been interesting this year to try and find out what team's gonna show up because sometimes they come out and play and you're like, wow, and then there's other nights you're like, wow. I like the kids they brought up. I do.

SPEAKER_05 38:00

Don't you? I think they're doing a good job. Well, they're gonna play them until the end of the year.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

Yeah, so they find out what they have.

SPEAKER_05 38:09

What's your guys' theory on this? You know, Colton Preco, he's uh had a really great run with the St. Louis Blues. Like, I think I think he's gonna become the all-time games play leader soon. On defense, yeah. And then they ask, they ask to trade you, and you say say no, and it's like, well, now what?

SPEAKER_02 38:32

I I don't I don't I don't honestly like I don't I didn't understand the trade. They must have been getting a lot of good players for him because they had to have. Because I I remember listening to my friends bitching about him, and and I said, where when he was making five million, I go, where do you think you get a guy, six, six and a half, the range he has, and and you're gonna get him for five million bucks? What the hell's wrong with you? I mean, that's the deal of the century.

SPEAKER_05 38:56

I mean, he makes everything can in the room. So now he's at six five Stanley Cup champion, so he's got that in his brain.

SPEAKER_02 39:03

He can play on the four nations in the Olympic team. You're pretty damn good. But we don't want him. Like, I don't I don't get that. I don't get it.

SPEAKER_05 39:10

I well you you have to kind of wonder what the thought process moving forward with the team is. And to me, it it really spoke wonders that we are we are just gonna rebuild. We're going young, we're gonna get a bunch of draft picks and quality guys.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

Yeah, but you still have to have guys, in my opinion, you still have to have guys that are going to show these guys how to be leaders. Like you take Shen out of that locker room, you know, yeah, they want to find out who the leader is. Well, that's a chunk that there's a guy that would have stayed with you and signed an extension, you know, they made a deal. Okay, you get some picks for it and everything. But you're looking at five years before the picks start turning around.

SPEAKER_05 39:52

Minimum. Unless you're a Celebrini or those like Bedard or whatever. Well then you're not gonna do it. It's three to five years for sure.

SPEAKER_07 40:01

Right. I think the one thing that I guess that I'm a little disappointed in, and this is just me not talking as a former NHL player or a St. Louis Blues alumni. This is just me talking as a hockey fan. I don't love the no trade, no move clause. Um, it has absolutely crushed what used to be a really intense, crazy two weeks running up to it. Like I remember we were like the coaches were like, hey boys, make sure your phones are on. I'm with you. You weren't even safe. Like nobody was safe.

SPEAKER_05 40:34

I am with you 100%, except for I think there's some people that like Ovechkin deserves it, you know. Guys like that.

SPEAKER_07 40:43

You can't have seven of your five of your seven defense with no move clause. I think they should cap it somehow.

SPEAKER_05 40:49

No, I I don't think there's it should even be except for Crosby, like guys like that. Legacy player. And uh, we all know who they are. It doesn't have to be defined by any terms, but I think I think it really softens guys because they have no fear of playing better.

SPEAKER_07 41:13

Yeah, and that's that's where it bugs me. And then there's one other part, like I we you guys are kind of a little bit of a generation ahead of me, but I played against in training camp and with you, and meant you were my mentor, and like I played against you, and it's like, you know, there was a part of what we did back in the day where there was just an oath that we didn't talk, and we like what happened in the room stayed in the room. If something had to happen, like, and and we with there there's been an allowance of that to kind of sneak out. If there was a moment like this, done talking uh, oh, all the St. Louis Blues employees are on, like, and who knows if it's bull crap news or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 41:54

Well, how in the hell would the St. Louis Blues employees know anything of the city?

SPEAKER_07 41:59

Whatever. And so at the end of the day, you know, that's where there just is like, I feel like there's just a lack of respect a little bit in the game today, where it's like, hey, Colton, come on and we need to talk to you. Right? And maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Somehow they it did get leaked, but it should never have gotten to the point where the trade's complete. We're waiting on Colton to say what he says. Like that, I don't I just agree. I just don't understand how it ever gets there.

SPEAKER_04 42:24

Right.

SPEAKER_07 42:24

Like, like we have to be better as the NHL and who we are because I think it looks like dog shit.

SPEAKER_05 42:31

It was my favorite favorite day of the year. Uh, you know, I remember walking in. Yeah, you'd go golfing, and there's the rest of us sitting there. Oh, okay. Well, hey, I was younger.

SPEAKER_07 42:40

Well, nobody wanted a trade for me, so I was never really going to be.

SPEAKER_05 42:43

I was walking into the uh the saddle dome with Paul Reinhardt and Jim Pamplinski, and uh it was the trade deadline, and uh I it was my first one, and so I was like, hey, you know, you know, what happens like today? Like, and uh they both looked at me and said, Well, you don't have to worry about it, you're a lifer. And I went in, I'm like, okay, whatever, and got in my underwear and was getting ready to put my stuff on for practice. And trainer grabbed me and said, Coach wants to see you. Which at that point with Terry Chris, I was like, Well, that's a daily occurrence. So I never thought anything of it. And uh he he called me in and said, Well, young man, we've made a trade. And I I looked at him and said, Tell me it's somewhere good. And they said, You're going to St. Louis, and I'm like, sounds good to me. And my bag was packed and I was gone within an hour. So it was uh it's just a cool day. And you know, the the way Canada, like if the people if the people in America could watch Canada and the shows during the trade deadline day, it is epic. Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_07 43:57

Yeah, it's like who cares what happened?

SPEAKER_05 43:59

It's trade. Deadline day.

SPEAKER_07 44:01

Doesn't matter how terrible the government is. We're worried about hockey.

SPEAKER_05 44:04

Dave Hodge. It's like Greg Millett, what do you got out there in Ottawa? Well, uh, God rest his soul, Greg uh.

SPEAKER_04 44:14

Yeah. Unfortunately.

SPEAKER_02 44:17

Speaking of America, Canada. That was that was a big that was huge for hockey.

SPEAKER_05 44:23

Huge, huge for hockey, and it shows you how dumb half of America is, you know, ripping on those boys for for going to the White House to see the president of the United States and showing their patriotism towards the United States. Uh, and then Canada, you know, saying some of the things they did to the American players that play up there, and then kind of giving it to their own guys. It's like, you know what, they they played hard, and anybody that can watch that game and say Canada didn't deserve to win is out of their frinking minds. But at the end of the day, the score was two to one. You know, I totally agree with Coach Cooper. Uh, you should not have three on three in a gold medal game. It should be just like the NHL, five on five until the game is won. Um, and so uh, you know, God bless the team USA for winning and for Canada playing great, but it was uh I mean just uh all the BS is BS.

SPEAKER_07 45:25

I I I had a few friends over. I was up at 5 30, and I don't ever get up at 5 30 in the morning on a Sunday. I I I I like them I like to cook. I made some uh breakfast burritos, I wrapped them in tin form. I had I had a scrambling hands. I wrapped them in tin form. No, if you would have said I made cabbage rolls and and pierogies, then it would have, okay, no, you're cooking. There you go. I believe you. I said, I said, I said this. I go, I would rather have an overtime game that Canada loses than to watch this game be blown out five five to one or five nothing.

SPEAKER_05 46:02

Because you don't practice three on three. It's like you got three of the best, well, let's just say six of the best players in the world on the ice. And they don't they don't think of what happens if we turn it over. They're they're going one way and it's to score.

SPEAKER_07 46:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:19

And that's you know but a great game.

SPEAKER_07 46:21

I think Connor Bellabuck kind of put himself in a position where that he like has legitimized legitimized himself as a the first period I watched him play, and I'm like, okay, he's he's for real. He's really good. He's really he's he's dialed in and he even said he woke up and felt like better than he's ever felt in a pressure game.

SPEAKER_05 46:41

And I'll tell you what, Jordan Bennington was no slouch because the chances that the U.S. had were damn good chances. Yeah, and he was there and he stood tall.

SPEAKER_07 46:51

NHL today, if you give me one goalie that I gotta take in a one-game playoff, like I'm I'm still taking Jordan Bennington over anybody right now. Right now, like just like he's got that game, he's just got that like swag. I know I love that. That was one of the greatest. And he plays like that. And when you look in his eyes in a game, even after he gets scored on in those games, he's like, whatever. Whatever, it's just a goal, no big deal.

SPEAKER_04 47:15

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 47:16

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SPEAKER_02 51:24

We're here having some laughs, and I was saying to you in the break, we've been lucky we played with some real characters in the game. Wow. Who are some that you had, like maybe in the minors? Because we all know about Bergy and Mark Bergevin and guys like that in the NHL, but who was one of the guys that kind of you could have some laughs with or some stories about those?

SPEAKER_07 51:46

You know, uh Kevin Sawyer, I played with him in Western. I loved Kevin. Sauzy Sauzie was always, I'll never forget him and Dale Purington. Literally had like a swing, uh stick swinging incident in the minors. And I it was my second year in the minors, and I was like, what in the hell's going on? You know, uh, he was always good for some chirps.

SPEAKER_05 52:05

Um, you know, but uh one guy he's a relative of someone, isn't he? Or did he marry into someone's family? Mr. Sawyer. Like Tom? Tom Sawyer? Tom Sawyer. No, but didn't I thought he was a Sutter or something?

SPEAKER_07 52:23

No, I don't think so. I he wanted to be, but he's not. I don't know. I always liked him. He was a good kid. But the one guy, and uh the crazy part is I grew up in Moosehaw, Saskatchewan, as we've already talked about. Where is Moose Jaw? Six feet from a moose's ass. Nice. And uh Mike Keene played for the Moose Jaw Warriors. I watched him growing up, one of the toughest small lefties in the history of the world, and he did not care how big you were, he was fighting you, and he was going toe-to-toe. He didn't care. Love Keener. Uh real, real short trip from Winnipeg to Moose Jaw. Short trip. He's but he would like he would chirp everybody on the ice. Oh, he's funny. But his chirps to the coach in the dressing room, like my it was my second year in the NHL, and he was there. And I swear on everything, he made Joel a little uncomfortable every time Joel, because Mike was not afraid to just chirp out and just absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 53:25

It was like it was they thought I was tough on coaches. Mike Keene, ruthless. Ruthless. Every before every game, we'd go into this little room in in our uh the arena there, whatever, like reunion, and they had a whiteboard, and there was a character that Mike Keene would draw of Ken Hitchcock, and it was hilarious. And he would come in just like like nothing even was there, take it off the board and start writing his left-handed, weird little writing, and Keen, he would just give it to him.

SPEAKER_07 54:03

It got to the point where Joel didn't even like it, just he just walked by it. And and Joel Quimble, one of like obviously he was my only coach in the NHL, but was an unbelievable coach. And uh, you watch what he's doing in Anaheim today with that there. It's unreal, right? He's just a great guy, great coach. Uh, but I think there was like a moment for oh, big goal there, 16 minutes left in the third period, not trying out.

SPEAKER_04 54:27

Second period, but whatever.

SPEAKER_07 54:28

I know adding's hard. Second period, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:30

Adding's hard sometimes.

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SPEAKER_05 54:38

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SPEAKER_07 54:49

Dang, that is a nice play in there. He's good, boy. Don't trade him. Whatever you do, don't trade him. That kid's got some serious upside.

SPEAKER_05 54:59

Well, that the way he looks, it'd be like like trading a child. Well, he looks like he's 14. He does. They're so young. So young. Like you get those guys coming out of college that had a mask on their whole career. They don't have any scars. No.

SPEAKER_07 55:16

Do you guys like we talked about a little bit earlier about like toughness and the game and where it's at? Like, are we missing any of that? Like, what do we what is the St. Louis Blues gonna do? Like, obviously, we're training away, so look at this. Oh man, I wanted him to score there. So let that's Jake. Yeah. And Jack, sorry. And uh I and Finner was at the rink or at the alumni box the other night, and I walk in. I'm like, I haven't seen Jeff Finley since 2003 when I played with him. And I'm like, what are you doing here? He was a good stay-at-home defense. Yeah, good player. Great guy. Uh Jeff was awesome. And uh, what are you doing here? He's like, my kid got traded here, and he was born here.

SPEAKER_02 55:59

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 56:00

Uh Jack was born here, and so what a cool story to be able to have that. So now, this last week and a half, I'm like, every time you see 37 Finley out there, I'm just kind of like, oh right, and same number as his dad. Yeah, yeah. So cool. And and Jeff was a great teammate, great guy.

SPEAKER_05 56:19

Yeah, good.

SPEAKER_07 56:19

Like we said, he's just stay at home, made it happen, play with prongs forever.

SPEAKER_02 56:23

Yeah, having to listen to prongs, wait, and it just went in one air and out the other. He he didn't phase it. Yeah, prongs would yell. If it's a prongs, prongs would holler. Prongs came back.

SPEAKER_07 56:33

Prongs came back to the bench every single shift, pissed off at somebody. Typically, that the one part I appreciated about Joel and old Jimmy Roberts. Oh Jimmy Roberts, I love Jimmy. Jimmy would always put Al with me because you know, one of the top two defensemen gotta play with the shit bums, right? And so, and so Al was always like Al assisted on my first goal ever against Patrick Waugh on my dad's birthday. How crazy is that? So, uh, a fun fact for anybody out there, you guys, if you Google Patrick Waugh's greatest bloopers, my goal comes up number one. My first NHL goal comes up number one.

SPEAKER_02 57:12

What happened? What happened here?

SPEAKER_07 57:14

So we were on a long shift. I'm on a line. Uh, this is like my ninth game in the NHL. Um uh November. Hopefully, dad's not watching. I think it's November 9th, anyways. And uh and Al gets a puck behind the net. We had the two-line rule, so I'm just standing at the blue or at the red line. Long pass up to me. I take a couple strides. I see Jamal and Tyson Mass jammers playing something. Oh, what a line that is. Yeah, tell me about it. They change, and I just get to the blue line and I just take a slap reason using a Scott Young stick. Awesome, loves the younger. And Patrick Waugh grabs it like this, sets it down, and he kind of stands here like that, and he goes to play it. So instead of just peeling off, I just kind of went like this to give him kind of like a shimmy shoot shake. And then he missed the puck, and so I just tucked it in, and then I had to jump out of the way and I knocked the pool the goal off, and I'm laying on my back going, ah, like just a complete donkey. It was awesome though. So, yeah, Patrick Wah.

SPEAKER_02 58:18

My first goal, I got in Winnipeg, passed from Ricky Mahar. And about, I don't know, five years ago, we were speaking a blues thing going on. They had me MC in it. And I was talking about my first goal and how Mick set me up and he grabbed the mic. He said, just so you know, that wasn't to you. I had to laugh at him though, too. He just gunned a pass in front of the net, and I one-timed it on my forehead against Baba Vincenzo.

SPEAKER_05 58:47

I wasn't looking at you, but I couldn't score on Baba Senza to save my life. I'd go and play against Winnipeg and I'd get 15 shots, and I couldn't score a goal against him. I don't, I swear to God, he might be the only goalie I never scored against that I played against more than, you know, say a couple games.

SPEAKER_03 59:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 59:06

I mean, it I mean had no chance. No, Winnipeg.

SPEAKER_07 59:13

Have you ever talked about the story uh on on uh Ice Guardians of uh the night that you and Gretz had a discussion over whether or not you know his goals record at 92 really sufficed yours 86 because he had eight empty netters? Have you ever told that story?

SPEAKER_05 59:33

He had like he had seven empty netters or seven shorties and 12 uh or shorties. So it's like 19 total. Yeah, and uh he just looks at me all the time and goes, hey, it's not my fault you weren't good enough to be out there in those situations.

SPEAKER_07 59:49

You're like, I scored 86 on a goalie. Jackman told me that story. I think he was there that night, or he'd heard from somebody, but Jack's told me that story one night, and I was pissing myself.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:03

Uh I just saw one the other day where it's if Wayne Gretzky never scored a goal, he'd still be the all-time leading point scorer. He's got more assists than anyone has points. That's I saw that.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:14

They had a they had a thing on there uh today, and uh I don't I I don't want to really find it, but uh Wayne had 770, 750 games, 775, something like that. Multi-point and he no, and he had 80, 1,838 points, which was like 12 points off of Gordy Howe, and he played 2300 games, and Gretzky had played 775, like just the gap on everybody. He's got more assists than anybody, like just crazy what he did. Just crazy to watch him, and and and growing up, like Gretzky, Lemieux, awesome. But like I always loved Steve Iserman from a young, young age. Drafted fourth overall in '84, young kid. One of the he was like the youngest rookie back when he's smaller than Wayne. Like, oh yeah, 150, soaking wet. And and there was you didn't like back in, like, it's like these kids get A's and C's, as far as I'm concerned, a little too earlier in their careers because they're superstar players. Steve Iserman back in like '86, whatever it was, he was a year or so into his NHL career, and they named him the captain. And that was unheard of back in the day. And they had a bunch of veterans when he first got big time, big time. Yeah, absolutely. And he and and and one of the things I love most about him was I think it was like 87, 88. Gretzky won the heart. Gretzky had 163 assists and 212 points, and Iserman had 155 points, but he won the Lester B. Pearson Award for the most valuable player voted on by the first time. And I'm like, this is my guy right here, you know. And so I always loved him. And then what even impressed me even more about Iserman, and you played with him, so you can talk a little bit about it even more. But when you know they got the five Russian guys and then Fedorov and whatever, they're like, hey, you're still gonna get your ice time. We just need you to take more of a defensive role. Doesn't bitch, doesn't complain, doesn't whine, just goes and wins three Selkie awards. Best defensive player of the year, right? Like, he's what can I do? Like, just uh like so, anyways, I feel I'm not sure he won a Selkie. He did.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:20

Yeah, I think he did. I see, yeah, not three.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:23

He won a couple. You want me to find out?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:26

Yeah, Google that Google you Google. Well, listen.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:31

How many player Frank J. Selkie Awards did Steve Eiserman win? Three Stanley Cubs. I suck at Google. Don't we have producers here to look this stuff up? Seriously. The guests gotta look true. True, guys. Come on, people. Trueski. Figure it out. I I know we got one, I think it's two. Maybe I'm an exaggerator a little bit. Well, I guess. But did he play good defensively?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:15

Well, all around, unbelievable player. So my first thing he wouldn't say shit if he had a mouthful of my guy. Like what the my favorite story, he got one uh from Drew over there, our producer.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:30

Thanks for proving me wrong.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:32

You must have been a little loaded that night seeing triple.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:35

Well, you don't remember this, and this is what I love talking about you guys with. Twister doesn't remember my first training camp either. We were talking about it the other day when we had our barbecue sauce thing. You don't remember the fact that my second year or my first year uh in uh the first game I played against uh that you were on the team with Detroit, you were talking with somebody over by our dress room, and I said, Hey, Steve Eiserman's my favorite player ever. Can you go get an autograph stick for him? And you walked over there and got an autograph stick for me, and I still have it on my wall at home. Dynamite.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:08

That's so good. Yeah. We, you know, my first year in Detroit, you know, we're the best team maybe ever, ever. And uh we go into the playoffs and we're playing Vancouver in the first round. And uh they come in and they beat us two games straight, and we're like, what the hell's going down? It's like it it we're down 0-2, and we're like, if you were gonna bet on us, it'd be like plus 9,000. And uh, you know, I'm typical me. I'm like, I I just want to rip my shit off and and go and have a beer and figure out what the hell's going on. And I kind of look around and nobody's doing anything, and so I'm like, okay, and I I just took helmet off, gloves off, and uh I just sat down, just like the other 19 guys did. And uh it was just eerily quiet. Uh and it's it's not like you had a team full of, yeah. I mean, we had everyone from me to Celios, Robotide, Fedorov, Lidstrom, I mean, you just name it. And 10 captains on it. At least, and one that always got it taken away. Um and Stevie Iserman is over there, and he must just feel like 40 eyes staring at him. Because he never even he he he had his jersey off, his shoulder pads off, elbow pads off, and he was sat down and bent over and he was he was about to un unlace his skates. And he obviously felt like it was so quiet and nobody's doing nothing. And he kind of picks his head up. And he goes, Oh, oh, I guess I have to say something like that. That's what he said to himself, I'm sure, in his brain. And he stands up, and all he says is, he goes, Hey, relax. We're the better team. We know we're the better team. We're gonna go to Vancouver. We're gonna win both games of Vancouver. We're gonna come home, win here, and then win it back there. Let's go. And that was it. Everyone got undressed and did our normal things, you know. Pavel Datsuit doing 30-foot box jumps, and you know, me and Shelly bitching and moaning in the back room, eating little Caesars and having some molts and canoes. Little Caesars in the dressing room in Detroit. Oh my gosh. And we went epic. And we went, and it it wasn't going like according to Hoyle either. We were down in game three. And if you guys remember, Lichstrom shot at the end of the period for the red line that went in.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:04

And it was over.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:07

I remember that. It was over. And what I was gonna say, I I love Messi. And I was gonna say was in Canada, it was unbelievable the amount of young people and young hockey players that loved Wendell Clark and the way he played. I love Wendell Clark.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:24

I love Wendell Clark.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:25

I mean, if he didn't have a bad back, yeah. Well, he was he put himself in that situation. Well, yeah, but that's why everyone loved him because that's what he did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:37

Didn't he win best defenseman in the Western Hockey League? Well, he never played forward until in Maple.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:48

First game forward was a training captain leaf. Never played forward at the end.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:51

Well, he couldn't have been that good at defense because he never won the Selky. But man. Watching him throw a punch. I love those guys. Those are my favorite kind of players. Absolutely. I I didn't want to be on the ice against him. Him and talk at Al Seacord. Seacord. Remember Al Seacord? Neely. And I'll get him Nealy. Brennan.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:17

They could all play too. Oh, absolutely. Great players. And just accurate the fat for beak.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:24

The little ball of hate. When I was in Hartford with him, I remember hearing this story about him losing his thumb. And then finally I went over, I said, hey man, tell me how tell me, like, it's just thumbs. You can see the scar. Cut it right off, walked up in the green bin, jumped in the bin, found his thumb. Went to town, put it in ice water, went to town, sewed it on. And put back on thumb lived on. Thumbless. Thumbless. Gone. Thumb was gone. Yeah. Went into town, they sewed it back on. And when they sewed it back on, it stayed on.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:04

I lived after. Well, yeah, he played in the NHL. How are you gonna grip your stick?

SPEAKER_07 1:09:09

Well, it was a whole thumb?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:12

He would have been half man, half dog if you didn't.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:15

Didn't it have prosthetics back then, Holly?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:18

Shit. Although they know I love filters starting to get to you these days. Could have put a cloven hoof on it.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:35

Lyle Online's only got uh one finger, uh, his one point. Yeah, no, it's his pointer.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:40

Pointer. Got a cut off in the sub pump.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:42

So what the hell do you stick your hand on the sump pump? We're number half. I said, we don't need to pull up. We're number half. Huh? I love Lyle Online.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:50

He's the greatest. I fought him. I fought him. So I grew up in Moose Shaw watching, you know, all the guys. And I fought Odie, I fought Kelly Buckberger. I didn't fight Keener.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:02

What about Jimmy McGuck?

SPEAKER_07 1:10:03

I like Kelly Buck. I didn't fight Jimmy McKenzie. So, and I did it because I didn't want to. And me and Jimmy Mack have been at your camps and stuff before, and he's been in town. And obviously, you know, he's from the Esteban Esteban area, and my cousin was down there. They played baseball together. So I've known Jimmy for a long time. And and the the first Jimmy will tell the story way better than I do, but he like we're we line up and he's looking at the crit like the penis, like, oh, who's this idiot? Like this low kid. Like, he doesn't even remember me. When we were, when I was like 11 years old, I was at a Musha Warrior skate, and he grabbed me by the tucks, and he started swinging me around, and I was going around and round and round, and then he just dropped me right on my head, split the back of my head open. I had to go get stitches. He's like all worried and stuff like this. Anyways, it's like a fun story for me now because I can tell him like you got to split me open, but it wasn't when we were in the NHL together. Because I I locked up with him, and like I I will tell you this. Ty told me I said, like, what I said about him, Jim McKenzie is the most underrated, heavy, heavy, heavyweight, maybe all time. Like he could be. He threw lefts and rights, and he went at with everybody. And when you look at the top toughest guys around, like Jimmy doesn't, I in my opinion, get the recognition that he deserves. But, anyways, maybe it was just me that was scared of him. I don't know. But I I lined up with him, like, hey, how you doing, bud? Yeah, you having a good night. He's like, I guess I'm getting the night off from the kid, you know what I mean? Like, I was not calling him on that night. So I would get some good calls.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:43

When you talk about uh reputations, that's one thing because that's you know, we we as players know who was who. But when it comes to uh becoming famous and like it's all where you play. Yeah, you know, if Ty Domey played for Hartford and and uh I don't know, wherever San Jose wouldn't be Toronto and New York helped him out. Yeah, New York Rangers, Toronto Maple Leafs. I mean, like you you play for teams like that. I mean, you be you you be you're always on TV and you become famous, right? Yeah, you know, they're like think about the blues. You know, we twister, chaser, all the tough guys we had over the years. It's not not like they're like household names. Yeah, you know, and it's be but if they played for those big market teams, uh they would be. You know?

SPEAKER_07 1:12:37

So good.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:38

I got a good Mike Keene story about him. Oh my god. He tells me he saved my damn life. He did Kelly Case saved his life. I've had it, I'm getting in a fight time.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:49

Yeah, Keenan had Keenan was winning. He finally got to me, and I said, Fuck it, I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna get in a fight. And we were in Montreal on the road.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:59

And he starts poking at no, there was like afterwards like everybody or just no, it was me.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:06

I tried to start it. You took me. I had no idea. I know he's not that big. I'm like, who the hell's Mike?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:16

I'm standing on a bench yelling, no, yeah, it's him.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:20

Well, yeah, because he sees me and I'm about to fucking, and all of a sudden he stands up on the bench and goes, no, like the bounty commercial when they smell the coffee in slow motion. And I just go, okay, I skate away. He gets like, are you out of your freaking mind? Ever drop your gloves in him. Ever.

unknown 1:13:40

Ever.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:41

Ever. I I'm not sure. I want to drop the gloves with Keener. Oh, he wouldn't.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:47

And I know for a fact that he would have fucking grabbed me and like gave me a little pinched my nose. He would have slapped me on the ass. See, there's a guy who has nothing but respect for the game. And and no one, him and Gretzky are the two, they love hockey more than anything. When we were in the playoffs, it'd be like me, me and like Madonna would be like, or Carbo, like, come on, let's go over dinner. We'll, you know. And they're like, no, we got to get back to the to the team room and watch the games. And I'm like, no, I don't want to watch any games.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:24

God. I just played it.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:25

Yeah, I don't. Yeah. You got all the memories I need. Oh no, the West Coast games are starting out. Like, oh God. Kidding me. Watch the Canucks and the flames go at it.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:36

Uh, you want to talk about another guy that's like your underdog guy, right? But I don't want to get it wrong. Couple Stanley Cubs, Colorado, Montreal, Mike Keene. And Dallas. Three. Dallas, three. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:48

And so he won at least two in uh Colorado. Just one. Just one in Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:56

Colorado, Dallas, he played his thousandth game in St. Louis in my second year, and we all went to Palmano's and uh uh had dinner there, and they had this like super cool painting.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:09

Best restaurant in America, maybe. It's really, really good. That's very good. Really good. Palmano. You've never been there, have you?

SPEAKER_05 1:15:16

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SPEAKER_02 1:18:43

Who would you have set up in the top five?

SPEAKER_07 1:18:46

Um, so I fought George LaRock three times in Edmonton. Um, and he was still have nightmares. Night. Yeah, it's just those were not good night sleeps. They weren't good pregame sleeps. And the first time I ever fought him, we were talking about earlier. I had like nine fights in my first nine, eight games, nine games, whatever it was. And then he was like that. I called, I tried to fight Donald Brashier in Vancouver, wouldn't fight. Then I and I got to Edmonton, and we're both. Yeah, well, Donald thought he was a player at times, didn't he? He did. He he he wouldn't play it, he wouldn't fight me, which was cool. And then I yapped off in the in the paper, and Joe Quindle's like, don't do that again. So I got in trouble after that one. But uh we were in uh Edmonton, my first game in Edmonton, tons of family from Saskatchewan and town, and right wing versus right wings on opposite sides, and George lined up against me. He's like, Let's go, we got a bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:45

And I'm like, oh.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:46

And I just shit my pants, grabbed onto him, and he just beat me down and suplexed me, and I hit my head on the ice. I don't remember most of the game. And and Joel, I got back to the bench, and Joel must have recognized that my pupils were dilated because he didn't pull me off for the rest of the night. Thank God. So I decided that that wasn't enough. I needed to do that twice more. Uh, and then uh Bob Probert.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:14

Uh before you go on to the Probert story, I want to say Quenville had a good understanding of not to say. Yeah, we talked about that earlier. The mess. He said, Yeah, he just said we were there. Like, yeah, don't embarrass the team, yourself or your me or your family. Yeah, don't talk in the paper about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:31

And but didn't you tell me that he was okay with you guys going, Joel, it's time. Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, see, and that that is to me genius.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:44

Yeah. He said, I've never done it and I don't understand it. Right. But if you think the time is right, you tell me. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:50

But don't embarrass your team, your family, you know, and uh don't invite, don't embarrass me, the team, or your family. Yeah, you if Bob Berry would have known that, you wouldn't have ruined a round of golf of mine.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:03

Joel was great in those moments, and I got back to the bench and I was like, like, you can see the cuckoo birds go around. He's like, even more than usual. And he actually, and I don't remember a whole lot, but I remember him coming over to me. He's like, Are you okay? I'm like, Yeah, I'm a little, I'm okay, but I'm not good. He's like, Do you mind like just sitting on the bench for the rest of the night? Because there's value if you just sitting on a bench. And I go, totally agree, and then I'm dumb enough to say, but if you need to send me out there again, I will, right? Because I don't care how many concussions I get in a night. This is what I signed up for to do. This is this is my job. Yeah, well. Until they gotta take me off on a stretcher, like I'm ready to go, you know, and we're my rookie season, and so I fought George a bunch of times. Donald Brashier, big, heavy left-handed, super tough. But my sixth game in the NHL, I'm I'm on the face-off, and we're in our zone, and I'm standing there, Bob Probers looking across me. And guys, like, I grew up like Probers, like a man, and he's looking at me. And I've been in five fights and five nights, and he's looking at me, and he's like, looking at me like he's coming to get me. I'm like, he was looking at the chick in the stands behind him. And I'm like, am I not supposed to be like calling you on? But he's like shaking his gloves at me, and I'm like, don't die tonight, Breed. Just don't die tonight. And so I grabbed on him. We had a pretty good fight, and like I kind of had I kind of got him with an uppercut and an overhand and threw him into the glass, which he loved. Which and and and and then the rest broke it up, and I was like, really cool to fight. I was just like, I was that gay guy, which I know you hate. I was like, I can't believe I just bought Bob Provert and lived. It's cool as hell, right? I'm like, this is cool, man. Thanks a lot. He's like, fuck you. And I'm like, oh, and then I'm skating over to the bench. You look at the thing, and he's showing at me, he's like, I'm gonna hunt you for the rest of your hockey career. And so I just spent the next five minutes in the pedaling box thinking that Bob Provert's hunting me for the rest of my hockey career. Um, you know, and then I had a really good one with Ty Domey, actually. Uh, the night in uh Toronto when uh they were up four nothing. Oh, yeah. In the second period, I fought Domey. We had a really good tilt, and then we went in and had we were in the intermission, kept back out. Toronto scores again, like right off like first two minutes of the third period, and we're just like, oh, five-nothing, we're getting killed. Then all of a sudden, with about 15 minutes left in the third period, Pavel started putting it on a show. We just Slovaks. We the slow the cycling Slovaks took the game over, and actually Tyson Nash got a goal that night, too, of all things. And uh, but uh which I would get a plus, I was happy about pluses. They were really good in my books. Uh, and we ended up coming back, tied it up 5-0, and then yoke and what the heck passed to Pavel Demetra in overtime, and we won 6-5. And this is the biggest comeback in St. Louis Blue's history, except for the Monday Night Miracle, even bigger, yeah. Well, the the lead was bigger and the time was shorter. Yeah, that was just a bigger moment. Absolutely, this is just a regular season game. So, but yeah, uh awesome. Like, but I tell people all the time about that game, like when we got the first goal, then we scored another one. Kujo was actually a net and for them, yeah, for Toronto, and it was just like you could just feel the ice tilt, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:26

And uh one of the things once you get on five-nothing, it's like my skates would have been untied.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:31

I'd be like, play those other guys. That night was another night that I it was the first time I watched Chris Pronger really get pissed off and beat the hell out of somebody, and he fought by Brian McCabe. Yeah, and who wasn't a slouch, who wasn't a slouch at all. Good player, tough guy. Like, and but like when like when prongs got mad that night, I was like, okay, all right, so one guy that I might have like have a challenge with right now. Like he was pissed off, he was ready to go. He's lanky 6'6, and he's got razor blades for knuckles, yeah. Because there's no skin, they're just bones, right? Just really bitty hands. But yeah, that was that night too. So, anyways, yeah, that was uh, those are probably I thought a bunch of guys, obviously, but like you know, Domey, Proby, and uh George.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:21

Georgie LaRoc. But you said like there were some guys that didn't play a long time, but they were around, like uh you said Johnson. Yeah, Brent Johnson. No, Matt Johnson.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:32

Yeah, Matt Johnson big giant, human. So strong, so tough. But even more so, like, let's talk about some of the litter guys. Like, obviously, I would consider Chaser to be in the heavyweight group, but he's not six foot four, two hundred forty. He's not in the he was heavy, he was middle heavy, fighting everybody. But like my guys, and you actually came on the podcast, the NASCAS, uh, with me and PJ stock, where we had that fight in Boston. PJ fight everybody, right? Didn't give a shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:05

Like the honey badger. Ryan Vanderbush, another kid, like well, he was he was like Mike Keene, but not as good a player. Lefty too, right? Yeah, yeah. I fought both those guys. You guys didn't think I was watching.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:20

I was you were watching. After he told you not to play Keater, you watched for the rest of the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:25

I was I think I was looking more at kosher, brown.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:32

Oh, well, that was your that was way before you. If you're gonna start talking about those guys, I'm going straight under the table.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:41

But I mean Samenko, uh Cochrane, Baruby.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:51

Yeah, yeah. I remember in Junior I slashed Chief in skates, come out to fight him, and I slashed him in skates off to face off, and they were sorting out penalties. I said, We're going. And he he's just leaning on a stick and he looked over at me. Are you sure you're ready? I was like, oh Jesus. No, I'm not sure. Let's forget I said that. How stupid how stupid am I?

SPEAKER_07 1:27:16

I've I've heard you, Chaser, I've heard you say this a hundred times, and I listen to everything, obviously, because you mentored me my whole hockey career, so I always pay attention to what you say. But whenever we talk, uh whenever everybody talks about like the toughest guys that played hockey, Chaser always would say, Don't look past Joey Koser, Tony Twist, and Dave Brown. Because you know, Bob Prober was tough and Ty was tough and everyone was tough. You know, Rob Ray, like, you know, think like Ben Wilson, like, think of all the guys. But those three guys, they will break the face.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:49

There's a chance you could get when the fight when you could fight for two months.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:53

Like, those guys will break your face if you get caught with it. Yeah. And I remember fighting Twister in training camp one time. And my second year, and he's coming after me, and I'm like, just do not let that right hand connect with your face. That was my only thing. And then he he grabbed me, threw me around, and he was nice to me, didn't have to be as nice with you, threw me around, and he's sitting on my back in training camp, and he's got open hand paws, and he's bare clawed. He's like, dude, I'm the fucking sheriff in this town, boy. And he's just beating the bag out of me. And I'm sitting there laying on my stomach with my hands on the side of my face, going, I we could have made this arrangement before the game. We could have made this arrangement before the game.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:40

I remember because that was the day after. Yeah, but he loved it. Twister called me at home. He goes, What are you doing? I said, Oh, I'm just watching TV. Why? He goes, What the f went down today at the rink? I go, what are you talking about? He goes, Pavel's knocked out because Nasher had hit him.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:57

Nasher just runs.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:58

He goes, You guys are fighting in the hallways. He goes, What the hell is going on down there? I told him and he's like, Why would Nasher hit Pavel? He goes, I'm trying to make theme. I'm going to tell you something right now. I'm playing that team tomorrow, and we're going to see who who runs whose show in this fucking. And he goes, I'll tell you another thing. Them scouts better be paying attention too because nobody's taking my fucking job here. And I was like, so so I guess you and uh I wasn't at it, so I can't verify this, but he stretched upstairs, yapping at you guys. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:30

No, no. So uh Pavel or uh Nasher lights uh uh Pavel up and Chaser grabs him and just beats the shit up. And you were on his team. He was no Nashville. He was on Pavel's team. That was that sucked in. He gave the he gave it to him. Chaser gave it to Nasher, and they were over at our bench, and uh uh Chaser's work at Nasher again. So I just naturally jump over the boards and I go, hey, let's go. So me and Chaser have a good fight, and then there's like a bunch of corruption that's going on, whatever. And and so then all of a sudden Twister is coming to hunt me down. And I'm no the next day, because he wasn't on my team. No, no, Twister wasn't on your team. He came after me the next day. Oh, yeah, yeah. So everybody's like, oh, Twister, because I fought Chaser. So Twister's like, everyone's like, oh, at that night we're all at dinner, all we're all in the hotel, right? Oh, Twister's coming to get you. I'm like, I didn't sleep that night, and then Twister always drove his Harley and he parked it in the uh by the Zamboni, right? He parked it around the building, like he was playing with me, and I knew that he was coming after me. And and I'm like, okay, and then we get into like the we have the team stretches and all that kind of stuff in the morning, and Twister's not there. I'm like, you know, maybe it's not feeling good, you know. And I'm like, no, that's not the truth. And so you know in training camp, how like if we're fourth liners on the team, we're first liners in camp, right? Like, and then you got the young kids and they kind of stack it like that. Well, I'm on the third line, and Twister didn't even come out. And then as soon as I changed over, and you know, like it's training camp, there's no raps, there's no rules. I jump over the boards, Twister jumps over the boards and goes, whoa! And I turn around and he's coming at me with no gloves on, and I am literally shitting in my pants, going, What the hell did I do? I wish I would have stayed on the bench and let Tyson dash and his ass camp changed. I did I did everything right, and this is so wrong, right? And so he comes at me, and that's where my mind's just like don't let that right just don't let that right connect with your face. That's all you gotta do. Just get to the ice as quick as possible. And then he had some fun with me and slapped me around and told me who the sh the the the sheriff was, and I said, Yes, sir, you are. Crazy, crazy, crazy times.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:50

Love it. Oh man. Well, see, you made this your home, and we we we ask guys all the time, and it's sort of the same answer, you know, with the alumni and that. But you mean it you've had a family here as well.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:02

What is it for you that was the most distinct reason that you stayed?

SPEAKER_07 1:32:07

You know, obviously I married a girl that was from here, but you know, the day that I drove into this town, uh I still remember the gas station that has bars on the windows in North County that I stopped in, and I was looking just like go get my credit card and the thing, and I was like, I'm gonna run out of gas and go downtown. Went downtown and found my way out to the to the hotel and and to uh what was Chesterfield rink. And I don't know, man. I just I I can look back, man, it's been 28 years, and go like this is my this is my new place. And I grew up in Mooshaw, Saskatchewan, and I always, even though I only played three years in tier one, I always knew that I was gonna go do something else and be somewhere outside of Mooshaw. Like I knew that that was where I was staying, right? And and and good dreams. When I got to St. Louis, I just knew it. And and then I came here and I had a camp and I went to the uh Worcester, and then I played in the East Coast League for 40 games my first year too, and uh and then went back and played in Worcester for a couple more years, and uh I just really wanted to be a part of this organization and this city, and I was fortunate enough to do it for you know nine years, three years in the minors, so three and a half years in the minors, four and a half years on the club, and it just it was a no-brainer that this is where we stay, this is where we stick around. Um, this is uh my home away from the home that I came from, the people here, the community, you know, the alumni, the the Bobby, what I call the Bobby Plaguer way, right? Like Bobby taught us how to treat people in this town, and you obviously uh really took that to the next level. And so my only hope is that maybe just half as good as you guys did, we can continue to you're doing just fine. We can continue to do this and make sure that everybody knows that like you can always have a picture, you can always have an autograph, you can always have a hug because playing for the name on the front, that blue note is is is the most important teacher, greatest fans in the world. Like the blues are uh one of St. Louis is a great community, it's a little big town, you can get anywhere in 30 minutes. Yeah, so much fun, and I love being here and I love being a part of it, and I love trying to do my best to make it a little bit good for good for you.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:23

Love having you too, because it's uh, you know, every every blues alumni is such, you know, from 67 to 2026, everyone is just as important as the next guy in this community.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:39

And one of the parts that I that we realize when we get to know the guys is the guys from the like the late 60s and the 70s and the 80s, they stayed here because there was jobs for these guys, right? Like there was people that were like, don't go home, I'll hire you to do whatever you need to do, right? And then as the and with their contracts, they needed some regions. They had to have that, right? But one of the greatest things about St. Louis' is these contracts have started to get bigger, they're still coming back, and we're still staying here, right? Like you're obviously here a ton. Pronger, McKinnon's, like obviously you and your family, and you know, uh Nash is back. His daughter works for us at our blues alumni, and she's an absolute stud superstar. So it's just like, and I hope that you know, with Jax being the president of the blues alumni now, and probably gonna take maybe a bigger role in whatever that is, Steiner's gonna be the GM. My hope is that more guys find a way to come back and make this part of their home because this is a great town for uh for the fans and for the players. And it's a testament to the city, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:45

Because you don't need a second job anymore. No, these guys make so much money, they go anywhere, and they can go anywhere they want.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:54

And you know, when they stay here, you know it's a special place. What's funny, you get those younger guys now, it's Stasney staying. Um, I hear Jake Allen is interested when he's done it coming back. You know, of course, Senner is always interested in coming back. Um Vitality Stay, you know. Um, there's just a lot of guys that made it the Bortuzo's home here. Yeah, uh a lot of guys that made it um made it their home because it was it's easy, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:27

It is, and it's good people, good place, good food, good friends. Yeah, I mean, like you said, it's you know, uh, you know, on Sunday morning when I go to the airport, it's gonna take me eight and a half minutes to get to the airport. I mean it's it's uh it's dynamite.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:44

I love it here, and it's my it's my it's now my home. Like I'm gonna be here for the rest of my life. And one of the one of the even, you know, and I and I am very fortunate to be doing the auctions and stuff that I do, and I always tell the people uh of St. Louis how much it means to us for how they've treated us always, right? Like there is a special bond between the St. Louis community and the St. Louis Blues and the Blues alumni, and it just seems to be generational. Like the generations of moms and dads pass it on to the next kids, you know what I mean? Like it's it's just something that's so special.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:24

And it's just the same with the team, right? There was there was 20 guys that won that Stanley Cup, but it was every single player from 67 till that day that we all won that Stanley Cup. Dude, it was unreal. For the do that for the fans of this city, so cool. Oh man, they've been so loyal for so long.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:47

Uh I always told people, you know, we've had the the the NFL trophy come down, we've had the World Series a few, a lot of times, 11, I think the number is. I said, but when the St. Louis Blues win the Stanley Cup, Market Street's never gonna be the same. Ever. And I'm telling you right now, we were on a steak truck rocking down the road with coolers of beers and everything, and watching what was going on around us was one of the most epic things that I've ever seen in my life. Like people on top of bus stops, hanging on top of parking garages, the the ballpark village sign looked like it was infested with humans. Like it was ridiculous. So uh yeah, this is uh this is uh this is the town to be in if you're uh if you're a sports person. And listen, how many cardinal alumni brothers do we have here? And the old football cardinals that stayed around, yeah. And and even like a lot of like guys that weren't um Rams players that still uh stuck around here that played for them and want to be a part of the community. So and I'll tell you this the Saint St. Louis, Missouri is well represented in hockey in the world, yeah. And I gotta, I we gotta thank like there's pictures in Ampton Ice Arena, Bobby and Barkley Plagger on tractors developing that rink. Like that's the commitment those guys had to this community, and they passed it on to all of us. And and like Chaser's always said, uh, and for those of you out there that are in St. Louis, if you're ever up at Santine, go look at our alumni door. Chaser wrote one of the greatest poems of all time. I wish I I really honestly I really need to memorize that thing because, dude, I there's not a day that I don't walk in that dressing room and look at that thing and read it and just get complete goosebumps. True. It's one of the coolest things that I've ever read, ever. And if you're ever there, or if you're out of town and you're listening, you're a hockey fan, or whatever the case may be, and you get to the scenting, you don't have to go in the dressing room to do it, which is one of the greatest things that you and Bruce ever decided to do was put that bad boy on the outside of our door because that's exactly what it means to be a St.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:00

Louis blue. Well, it's funny because uh Barry Trotz called me and said, Hey, I have a question for you. Yeah, he goes, Did you write the sign that's on the door? And I said, Yeah, he goes, Rumor has it you wrote it. And I said, Yeah. He goes, Can I put it in our locker room in Nashville? And since then I've had about three other guys call and it's in their locker rooms.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:21

But yeah, it's uh it's beautiful. It's uh it's the epitome of what we're doing and what we're supposed to do, and we owe it all to the game. And so um we are it's our and again uh we say like maybe obligation, da da da. No, it's my pleasure. Yeah, there you go. It is my absolute pleasure to give as much love back to the city of St. Louis as they've given me. That's just my absolute pleasure.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:48

Let's close out on that, Holly. This is a hell of an awesome episode. Reed Lowe, thank you very much. Read Lowe, thank you very much. I love you very much. Appreciate the stories, love you too. Thank you, man. Ice Guardians. Ice Guardians. I never got this thing up for you.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:01

Read Low. Hey, life ain't over yet, brother. From the Window World Studio, brought to you by Sitemint Cancer Center. It's Ice Guardians signing off.