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Brett Hull and Kelly Chase—two St. Louis Blues legends whose friendship was forged through grit, loyalty, and love for the game—bring their unmistakable chemistry from the ice to the mic. Hull, one of hockey’s most prolific scorers, and Chase, the fearless enforcer who always had his teammate’s back, reunite to share raw stories, sharp wit, and honest conversations that go far beyond the rink.
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Recorded at the Window World STL Studio and presented by Siteman Cancer Center, The Ice Guardians Pod blends humor, heart, and history—celebrating the people and moments that make sports, and life, unforgettable.
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BILLY BUSH | Ice Guardians Ep 32
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Kelly Chase and Brett Hull have media personality Billy Bush as their guest this week. Billy tells the guys about growing up as a Rangers fan and playing hockey in New York as a kid. Chaser asks Billy about getting his start in media and he tells the guys about working in radio in college and how that led to him getting his own morning radio show before making the transition to television. The guys talk about Billy's move from Extra to Access Hollywood and Today before finally being fired in 2016. Billy tells the guys how he took that opportunity and launched his podcast doing the kind of show he'd always wanted to do.
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Welcome to Ice Guardians. Yes, a big episode today. And one of our fantastic friends made the trip in. We're gonna play in a hockey game. I'm Kelly Chase in the Window World Studios, my buddy Brett Hall over here, sponsored by Seitman Cancer Center. And Billy Bush is our guest today. And buddy, so good to see. You still got the greatest hair in hockey, and you're not playing.
SPEAKER_03God's fair. God's fair. There's, you know, about four or five things every man wants. You don't get all five.
SPEAKER_06No.
SPEAKER_03And hair, I got. You got it. But that pretty much stops right there. I got three and a half out of the five, and I'll let you figure out what those are.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, but like, but see, and then you get guys like George Clooney who get all five, but then he's a mess mentally.
SPEAKER_03So no one has all five.
SPEAKER_07All five?
SPEAKER_03Tom Brady may have all five.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, Tom Brady might have five. Okay, hold on. Well, which one doesn't Clooney have besides a clue about life?
SPEAKER_03Well, I guess Toby Rich, handsome, uh, uh great hair, and a huge schwantz.
SPEAKER_07That's well, I don't know how big Schwanz is. See, there you go. I told you I got three and a half, Holly. You can try to figure out where they are. No, no kidding. I'm definitely lacking in the schwantz.
unknownHa ha ha ha!
SPEAKER_05God. So, hey, you fly in for us because I know you came in to uh help out with the cancer uh game, and and I appreciate that. But buddy, you you grew up playing hockey. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Born in Manhattan, so obviously uh I went to a little uh I went to a school uh called St. Bernard's School, and that's where we start. We we we only got the we only got ice time on Fridays. Uh, and then we played our games on the weekends, and we played down at Chelsea Pier in New York. And so you'd have, you know, spotty different, you know, times. You know, you all of a sudden, you know, you're playing on a Friday at 7 p.m. or you're playing at 11 p.m. or whatever as kids. And then on the weekends, we'd travel and uh and we'd go play our games out on Long Island, out in uh, you know, Connecticut or New Jersey, and it was enough to just get the bug. And then I and I I got pretty good, and then I went to St. George's boarding school and we played in the ISL.
SPEAKER_07Is that because you were a bad kid or like it was a good school?
SPEAKER_03I think it's a combo. I think it was like a lot of kids went to boarding school, but my parents definitely were thrilled that I left. You know, they couldn't drop me off fast enough.
SPEAKER_05How old were you?
SPEAKER_03Uh so uh 14, probably, ninth grade.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, right when I was doing, you know. All boys or both? Oh no, no, no, no. We had beautiful, beautiful, beautiful ladies.
SPEAKER_07Nice girl.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah. It was a co-ed school.
SPEAKER_07Because that would be some just awful.
SPEAKER_03The all boys? No, that's punishing. They didn't hate me that much. Okay. But I played uh at St. George's. We played against their Academy. I'll never forget my freshman year. Famous place there. I had to play against J.R. Yeah. When I was a freshman, and the guy was a senior. And Roanick was, I mean he was fantastic. Oh, he was fantastic. It was the final score was 16 to 1. And Roanick had six goals in the first period. He spent the second and the third in coat and tie. They said, That's enough, JR, you'll take a seat. But Amante was on the team. Right. So Tony, you know, took over from there. And I think my high school highlight is in a in a in a tournament up again at Middlesex School, the coach said, Bushy, you got no offense today. We're relying on you for one thing only. That is that you are gonna shadow Tony Amonte. When Tony Amonte is on the ice, you're on the ice, and you just stay in his back pocket, and that's it. Held him to one goal. One goal. Oh, that's pretty good. Beautiful.
SPEAKER_07Because Tony was a great player. Tony was a great player.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, great guy, too. Great guy. Love Tony. Yeah, so there's uh those are the highlights.
SPEAKER_07Yeah. Well, when you're given that ob uh objective, obviously you weren't that great offensively.
SPEAKER_03That was okay. I was fast. Yeah. So that was. You look like you're a fast little guy. I was fast, the son of a fast little guy, and uh and so that that was it. You had to chase Tony Amante around the ice. Because he was famous, too. Yeah. Oh, great player. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And so the Rangers were your team.
SPEAKER_03Rangers were my team growing up, you know. Uh, you know, I would go into the garden, Barry Beck and the beautiful Ron Du Gay uh for uh George McPhee. I just talked to Ron Duck. George McPhee. I watched him beat the shit out of Kenny Longeman, take his fucking face and smash it against the crossbar. They had to bring an ambulance onto the ice to remove him. And and McPhee went on to become, you know, RGM.
SPEAKER_07Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03But he was a little son of a bitch who could fight like lefty.
SPEAKER_07Ooh. Both hands, but lefty. Yeah. Bowling Green State University. Yeah, bowling green. You never would have theater. Everyone goes, oh, it's college, a little college. This Pipsqueak right here, we'll take care of him. No, no, no.
SPEAKER_03Nope. Nope.
SPEAKER_07You had Dave Langevin, University of Minnesota Duluth, where I went.
SPEAKER_03Oh.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_03They call that the uh the Harvard of the uh Midwest.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, they sure do. What about Dave? When I took jazz studies, it was hard class.
SPEAKER_03No, you didn't. No, you didn't. Oh yeah. Anything to get a grade. Yeah. How'd you do in jazz dance?
SPEAKER_07Jazz studies. Whatever. Could you imagine me jazz dancing? Yes, I can. Holy God. I've seen something like that. It'd be like Lou Costello out there trying to dance.
SPEAKER_05Oh shit. Set of tights? Who is who is the guy for the Rangers? Who's the guy that you like? You're like, wow.
SPEAKER_03My hero? Well, you know, I had a lot of guys that I loved. Uh you know, Ron Duget was uh was exciting. You know, he's doing Videl Sassoon commercials, you know, he used to do his Back in his Jeans commercial, but Barry Beck was just a force on defense. We loved him.
SPEAKER_05Uh shout out to you, uh he's having some cancer trouble right now, too. I heard from Ron getting Gresner last week, and and so prayers go out to that family as well.
SPEAKER_03Oh, and Gresh too. He was what a guy.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Well, we ended up having some beers with Gresh, you know, later, you know, in the in his in his post play.
SPEAKER_07Wonderful guy, isn't he?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_07And the guys used to just love it because Carol sat right behind the net in warmups.
SPEAKER_03You don't gotta tell me. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_05I have a great story about Dugay. He's at Mike Keene's fantasy camp. And he and uh Ray Bor were picking in the draft, and they pick Ray Bork first. Okay, so he gets up and he makes this unbelievable speech. Ray Bork speaks eloquent. And I lean over to Newendike and Gary Roberts. I said, Jesus, I'm glad I'm not getting picked number two. One of you two guys might have to go up and beat that speech. Next speech pick in the draft. Ron Dugay, we're like, some pretty good players here, you know. Like, but Dugay, okay. He gets up, walks up to the microphone. He said, I want to thank everybody who sponsored it. I want to thank my team for picking me. And I jaded Cheryl Teagues and Cher at the same time. So if anybody's got a better story than that, I'll take it. And Mike dropped and walked away. And we got a standing ovation from 200 people in there. They just stood up and clapped for him. I've dated Cheryl Teagues and Cher. If anybody's got a better story than just wasn't it?
SPEAKER_07Wasn't it? And at the same time. If you invite me back next year, I'll tell you about Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_05If you invite me back next year, I'll tell you about, I don't know, it was two other supermarks. And everyone would just sat for a second, dead quiet, and then all of a sudden the guy got up and started cheering. Woo!
SPEAKER_07Oh, fantastic story. And you know what? You know, everyone looks at how good looking he was. He was a good player, and he wasn't afraid to fight.
SPEAKER_03No, he was tough. Yeah. And he had the beautiful, the beautiful mane. Oh, you could not put a helmet on that.
SPEAKER_07Johnny holds nothing. Exactly.
SPEAKER_03He had too many sessions, he had too many like hairspray, you know, sponsors to put a helmet on.
SPEAKER_07Right. Oh my God. Where did he like where did he play junior?
SPEAKER_05I I actually do not know that. I don't know where Duget played. I would say Ontario somewhere.
SPEAKER_03Straight to the pros.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Maybe he didn't play at all.
SPEAKER_07Could you imagine? Well, he played in New York great spot. Can you imagine if he was a king?
SPEAKER_03Oh my God. Oh, it wouldn't have been. He would miss games. He's asleep in the Hollywood Hills.
SPEAKER_07Right. He's still shagged up. And a great guy, too. I love Ron.
SPEAKER_03You know, when I was a kid, we uh do is it did I make this up? Is this like one of those uh is it a recovered memory or is it like something I I can't tell, but I I seem to remember as a kid watching Guy LaFleur come down with the Canadians, and I think I saw him like have a cigarette on the bench in between shifts. Was that allowed? Is that possible?
SPEAKER_07He'd get there at two in the afternoon before games and smoke three packs.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think I saw him smoke in the middle of the game.
SPEAKER_07I was like, we played between periods, he for sure smoked.
SPEAKER_05Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, we played with Guy Carbino, right? In in St. Louis, and he would tell us stories about Sir Zavard. He he'd have a cigar on the bench and practice. He'd just go over by the bench and put it down and go back. Really?
SPEAKER_03Imagine that today. Forget that. Oh my god. Those guys are machines.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, we used to my my wife used to sit uh outside the dressing room with uh Sergei Zubov, old ranger, and smoke darts. And Sergei, he'd rip the filter off because he didn't have a bunch of time, and he would take that thing and he'd suck on that thing for about 25 seconds and just go like a like a car, like they did on the cartoons, yeah all the way down.
SPEAKER_03He needed an American spirit, they go slower. But when I was another thing I did a terrible thing as a kid, I was a very naughty kid. I got suspended from every school I went to. But Buddy and I go to see the Rangers. I can't remember who they were playing, but uh Fatillo. Nick Fatio, one of the great fighters.
SPEAKER_07Huge human being.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we had some good Dave Brown for a little while, but Fatio was on the bench and we we, you know, he was obviously a tough guy. And we had a bag of peanut. This is not good, this is terrible. I did this. We had a bag of peanut MMs. I said, let's see if we can get Fatillo riled up. And I lobbed one over the plexi glass, hit Fatio on the head, he turns around like that. He's grabbing the thing, the glass, and I'm the little kid, like, oh shit, I'm gonna oh my god, everybody in the garden's like, run. Oh you hit the ceiling.
SPEAKER_07I hit Fatio P9M. My rookie yeah, my rookie year in Calgary, Nick was with the flames, and he would tell me stories when he was 13, and he'd bring his hockey equipment on the subway to go skate, and he had a hatchet in his bank in case someone did something stupid and he was gonna give him the hatchet.
SPEAKER_03Oh, thank God I didn't know that then. I'd have eaten that out of the way.
SPEAKER_07He used to tell me all the time, Nick, or you'd go, Brett, your dad says I got a harder shot than he does. And I'm like, oh, he did, eh? Really? Probably not quite as accurate.
SPEAKER_05He'd open the N boards, it'd end up in a Long Island pier. I think same thing with the skating. I think Oh, you can skate forever. They used to say, oh yeah, they used to say that about us. If we opened uh the N boards twister, it'd end up in the Mississippi River as the boards were the only thing to put the brakes on them.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, we we'd be, you know, being a rookie, I didn't play every game, and either did Nick. And and you know, after practice, the guys who didn't play would get extra skating, and he'd just yell at the assistant coach and go, all day long, I don't get tired. And I'm like, hey, Nick, I do. I do. I get tired real easy, Nick. So shut the fuck up. God damn. What a great guy he was.
SPEAKER_03You know, the other thing is even younger, we you know, but I we used to have this little weekend cottage like uh in in Connecticut, because my folks didn't want me, you know, running around in New York City on the weekends, you know, to get into trouble and you know, going up to you know, peep at the hookers that were on 86th Street.
SPEAKER_07Join a joining the the gangs, like the baseball gang from the Warriors.
SPEAKER_03I'll tell you what, it was so they they had to have us out in the woods, you know, for the weekends, and but we would go and see uh Hartford Whaler games. Oh yeah. I was just talking to Chaser seeing his uh jersey back there, and I was thinking, you know, I remember watching Gordy Howe and you know, when he was fifty, and he uh and I I heard something about it this is interesting, this is interesting. And I think I I I I don't know where I read it or heard it, but Gordy Howe said there's a point when he was asked about his longevity, he said, Well, don't drink, don't smoke, and uh tell that to Gaila Flore. Uh and he said, But the other thing is I never pick anything up. Meaning, like if there's a sock on the floor of the bedroom, it's that. Like he's out there grinding his, but it's that one time you pick up a sock, oh, and you feel the pinch in your back. He said, So I ask my, you know, the missus or whoever's with me, you mind grabbing that over there? I dropped some. And some and everyone picked up shit for Gordy Howe because he knew that was how he was gonna do his back.
SPEAKER_07Well, that is I've never heard that, but it makes sense. Oh, it does not make sense because it's the dumbest thing on earth. I don't know. Because you know what he did in to work out in the offseason, he threw cement bags around because that's what his dad did. Oh, so yeah, maybe he built up to that.
SPEAKER_03Maybe he didn't just walk out and do that.
SPEAKER_07I think that's like the I think that's one of those things where he just did it so he didn't have to do it. Like when Glenn Hall wouldn't show up to the Blackhawks training camp and they'd blues, they'd call a blues, blackhawks too. And he'd go, you know, they'd go, where in the hell are you? And he's going, Oh, I couldn't come. I had to paint my barn. Painting the barn. Painting the barn. They didn't have a barn. They finally found out after all those years.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Well, don't tell me it's not true because uh I've been telling that story forever and I'm gonna keep doing it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, we we'll buy it. We'll buy it. Those are great. I love those stories. Now you grew up in a unique family, obviously. Oh, yeah. That's well, that's the cabin in the woods.
SPEAKER_07That's where they that's where they sent all the money.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah. It was a very small, humble cottage. So next to the city.
SPEAKER_05When you grow up in that, there's gotta be some restrictions for you, you know, or what? Or you just run wild.
SPEAKER_03What do you mean?
SPEAKER_05Well, like there has to be somebody watching over the family a little bit from the Secret Service to the Not me, you know, being a cousin, you know, I've been when I was nine, my uncle George H.
SPEAKER_03W. Bush, Bush 41, you know, became vice president. So as a nine-year-old, all the way through, you know, 40, whatever, however old. I mean, it was just always the case the case that somebody was in politics. Was in politics or the White House. You got 12 straight years as vice president or president for for uh HW and then eight years off, and then uh with Clinton, and then eight years for George W. Bush.
SPEAKER_07Well then you got a governor down in Florida.
SPEAKER_03Then you got a you got the two of them were dueling governors at the same time in Florida and Texas. My my brother, my older brother's running for governor of Maine as we speak.
SPEAKER_07On what what ticket?
SPEAKER_03He's a Republican running for uh for governor of Maine and uh running yeah, as a Republican. There's eight guys in there. Can you win it in there? Yeah, it's a purple state, Maine. So they go back and forth for 80 years between Democrat, Republican, Democrat. They they never it seems like whenever they have one, they want the other. And they've had an eight, you know, a two-term Democrat who's termed out and leaving.
SPEAKER_07It's it's the way it is every year, except for maybe a couple years. You know, they landslide victory for Trump, and then they'll probably get their ass kicked at the midterms.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, well, they'll they'll definitely hate you at the same time. I hate to tell you, Holly, I know you're zero percent liberal, but yeah, that's right. They're gonna get their asses kicked.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, because half the country are morons. Is that what you think?
SPEAKER_03Oh, and the other half say you're morons. And this is we're living in a very divided world. Very divided.
SPEAKER_07Well, not us. We're gonna absolutely not.
SPEAKER_03We are we are we're all good here. That's right.
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SPEAKER_05Welcome back to Ice Guardians in the Window World Studios, sponsored by Citemen Cancer Center. My best buddy Brett Hall. Great friend Billy Bush joined us. Comes in hot playing hockey tonight. And buddy, we appreciate you coming in. And I wanted to ask you before the break, too, is I asked you a little bit about, you know, you're growing up and your uncles are presidents and your family's all involved in politics. How did you kind of like, as you were kind of, as you said, I you were kind of a rambunctious kid. How did you get into the TV world?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so I mean, you know, as my dad used to joke all the time, he'd say Billy was on the dean's. Other list. My grades, it's gonna shock you, weren't weren't the greatest.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, but it you're a smart guy, so it was all how you applied yourself as that reason.
SPEAKER_03Well, you realize it's like, well, you don't just have to be a doctor, a lawyer, or whatever, like a banker, you know. If I was your lawyer, you'd be in jail. If I was your banker, you'd be fucking broke. But then you realize there's a market for everything. So I said, well, you know, I figured out, well, there's gotta be something for a guy with my, you know, my personality or my take. And yeah, and so I found the college radio station and I started in radio. I did radio for years. I had a morning drive radio, like a zoo, uh like a morning zoo type of radio show in DC for six years after two years in New Hampshire. And uh and just figured it out that way. Went right from college to a to a radio station in New Hampshire is my first job. And I sold, if you want to get your teeth kicked in, uh, you go, I was cold calling, you know, like true value hardware stores and little restaurants and stuff to try to get them to advertise on this oldies radio station in Lake Winnipesaki, New Hampshire, driving door to door, humbling. And in reward, the guy let me be on the air once a week. Then I sold so many ads on that radio station, I got good at it after getting my teeth kicked in. I figured it out. And I st I gained the leverage to tell him, all right, pal, I'm basically billing 70% of this radio station by myself. So here's the deal I'll sell in the morning, and I want to do that afternoon shift from two to six every day. Two months of that, and I said, All right, this is it for me. And I made tapes back in the day, you make these cassettes. Absolutely. That's all I did. Send them out.
SPEAKER_07Rent a record.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Send them out to all these places. You get a couple nibbles, and uh, and I got this gig as a on a classic rock station at about 24, 25 years old in DC. And I'm doing the nighttime shift. Then they move me to the midday shift, and then another station took me to do a morning show, and I did that for six hours.
SPEAKER_07That's what you want is the morning.
SPEAKER_03The morning is you it's oh, it's but they they only pay the morning guy. Right. So we did that, and it was during the heyday of Monica Lewinsky. It was it was it was wild.
SPEAKER_05Were you doing pol was it politics? Is that what the show was?
SPEAKER_03No, no, we just had fun with it with that stuff.
SPEAKER_07But it was music, and then you talk about whatever you want.
SPEAKER_03We had InSync come in when Justin Timberlake and those guys were just starting. Yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_07When we were here early days of St. Louis and the blues, we would go into K She 95 and do the morning show like once every couple of months, and with with uh E-Jacques Ule and uh John Ulett and his stay here's the radio's name was E-Jacques Ule. And we would we'd play tunes.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and it was make prank calls, and I mean I mean, I got the the naughty kid that I was was now being paid. Right. You know, I remember I I prank called a uh a Radio Shack one time, and I uh and I had my I I called and I said, I goes, hello, Radio Shack?
SPEAKER_02And I said, and I pinched my tongue like this with my I hold my tongue like this, and I said, Hello? Uh yes, I I gotta I have my tongue stuck in the in the VCR, my VCR.
SPEAKER_03And the guy says, Well, that's not my problem. I said, No, no, no, I got it from you. I bought it from you. It's your problem. And we went around and around and around. My dad's listening to this, going, what the fuck did I pay for college for? This is crazy.
SPEAKER_07Well, that is that kind of like where what was that? Uh they came out with like crank yankers where they oh, like remember that.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I grew up on the jerky boys. Jerky Boys.
SPEAKER_02Oh, all my shoes and all my glasses.
SPEAKER_03Those guys, they they they I'm gonna come over there.
SPEAKER_07I'm gonna come over there. I'm gonna get you so bad.
SPEAKER_03I grew up on them and and Dice Clay. Oh, and the Dice. God, the Dice.
SPEAKER_07The ra the genius of the rhymes.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god. I mean, this he was uh he was a he was a hero to me and all my buddies. Oh my god. I still I still talk to the dice. What about oh yeah, he became a serious movie actor.
SPEAKER_05Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah, serious.
SPEAKER_05What about what about Stern? You have an interaction with him?
SPEAKER_03No, one uh I mean like before he went crazy? Before he went crazy, but yeah, Stern is He's crazy. Yeah, no. No, he's like a germophobe and a yeah, I know he's a germophobe and uh OCD.
SPEAKER_07And he's a trumpophobe.
SPEAKER_03He's like he's like worse than Springsteen, I think, for hating Trump. He's not zero percent liberal. Oh, he is not. I can tell you that. But Stern, I he w I interviewed him for Axe Hollywood uh years ago when he was a remember he became a judge on America's Got Talent. He was like, I mean, talk about you know, mainstream. How about Fartman? Remember Fartman? Oh, yeah, Fartman. I mean, come on, this was this, and he used to do, I mean, he was he was but I guess everybody settles down. I mean, Jimmy Kimball used to do that. And he's married to like the hottest chick on earth, Beth Ostras.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, one time I did it. What the hell's wrong with her? He did his movie private parts, right? That's when he went on the award show as Fartman. As Fartman. And it was to promote the movie, right?
SPEAKER_03Oh, I interviewed him on a red carpet and he said, My girlfriend at the time, my Beth, she really likes you. She watches the entertainment, you know, Access Hollywood. She likes you on there. And I knew I was dead at that point, right? He didn't like that. She liked me. Or, you know, at least thought I was charming.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, there's there's different he's tough to interview versions of the thing.
SPEAKER_03He's a tough interview. Oh, he's impossible to interview because he likes to be in control, right?
SPEAKER_05So he goes sideways off the uh off the question.
SPEAKER_07Well, he's like Trump. He'll go off topic and then come back to topic, and you're like, what just happened?
SPEAKER_05Well, the hardest thing is when you're interviewing somebody and there's an interruption in the question. Like you're you're answering and someone's interrupting, and then they never get the you never get the full answer out of them. And then these guys that'll sit there and go, they'll give you half the answer, and then they go on to something else, and you're like, wait a second, could I go back to that? Right. You know? So for me in hockey, I would just try and okay, let me go back to what I just said. And because I want to hear the answer to it, and I want to I want a period at the end of it. I don't want to watch him do that a lot. I think he does that quite a bit.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, no, he he's not afraid to. I mean, by the way, when you go Did you say he's OCD? Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Or ADD. OCD.
SPEAKER_03He had it. Well, he he cured it. He, you know, if you read his book, Private Parts, and he was so OCD that I mean everything, like you had to have certain things in the right place to step on, like, you know, Jack Nicholson and as good as it gets. Yeah, he could not step on a crack in a sidewalk or the world's.
SPEAKER_07Every soda, well, you think you made it? I'll call them so I'll call them soda. She calls them sodas, I call them mixers in the fridge. The labels gotta be perfect, and they gotta be facing out as you can see it and equal. There's gotta be like six of each one. There can't be like, huh, whoa. Oh, she's unreal. But she's normal though. She's not yeah, she's not like Howie Mandel.
SPEAKER_03No, who I work with every day. You're right. He's my landlord, where I do my I do my hot mics podcast, and Howie Mandel is my landlord, so I rent space from him. He I call him Fred Trump because he's the land, he comes around for the check, the whole thing. Talk about yeah, he's got all of that. He's got everything upstairs. He's a Canadian, he's on bicycles, riding in his head.
SPEAKER_07He's a Canadian.
SPEAKER_03He's a Canadian.
SPEAKER_05Well, that uh explains quite a bit. You got something smart to say, I know.
SPEAKER_07No, no, Canadians. They're like look at all the people from SNL, SCTV, all the funniest people in the world are basically Canadians. Canadians, yeah. You know, John Candy, Jim Carrey.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Jim Carrey's a Canadian. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And not and not living. Uh I want to go back one step just so you get into uh how do you get into entertainment tonight?
SPEAKER_03So I get into uh to I I did a local stint uh in at a station in New York. They saw me, well, actually, the show I ended up on later, extra, yeah, saw me in people magazine. They saw me uh way back in the day. Uh they saw me in People magazine as, you know, they did this like face, not faces in the crowd, but it was like different spotlights on different people doing things. And I was doing a bunch of funny gags, you know, around there was a thing in DC about exploding manhole covers. Like there was so much like pressure underground that the the the L the City Department of Water and Power had issues, and manhole covers were exploding.
SPEAKER_07I remember that.
SPEAKER_03I had an internal thing. I had an intern in full hockey gear I would send out to stand on a random manhole cover, and I would talk to him. Yeah, people were honking as he went by. We were doing these fun things, and this station in the extra saw me, and they had an event in DC, and they said, Do you want to be a special correspondent for our show? I said, Sure, man, I'll be on TV. It's great. Well, the local news director in New York at WNBC, the local station, was watching. And uh and she called me the next day and said, We saw you. I was watching this extra in my office, uh, came on after our news, and I saw you. Would you like to, you know, do some things for us? We're looking for something fun, lighter in our morning show, our early morning show that comes on before the Today Show. So I said, Yeah. So for once a week, I started taking the train up to New York doing different little things. Like the man on the street. Yeah, fun for whatever, fun things like that. And uh, and it got me into TV. I'll never forget the first thing I did was a thing on male vanity. Like back when, you know, 40-year-old Virgin and ripping the chest there. Kelly Clarkson. The uh I did it. I went and I got my chest before the movie. I like a chest waxed. I did all these things guys never did, and you still don't do. And damn right. She saw it, and Matt Lauer came on uh 20 minutes after on the local station to say what was coming up on the Today Show that morning. And he said, Hey, by the way, who was the guy you had on a second ago getting his chest ripped apart? That was the funniest thing. He said, And I went, I think I just I think I just got into the big club here. And after that, I more and more, and then they hired me to do uh Access Hollywood on the East Coast as a reporter, and the rest is history.
SPEAKER_07I remember doing crossword puzzles during like rain delays at Mario Lemuse golf tournament with uh Matt. And uh it wasn't soon after that where the dark side came out of Matt. Let's talk about that when we get back.
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SPEAKER_05Welcome back to Window World Studios. Brought to you by Seitman Cancer Center, my good buddy Billy Bush joining my best friend Holly, Brad Hall, and I. And hey, bud, you were just getting on to the to the fun part of your your TV career and how political it could get because you never thought like that. You had met Matt Lauer, thought you were kind of in the club, and you just went about your business having fun, and it turned into a complete charade a couple of years later. But uh why don't you go ahead and explain that for us? Oh my God.
SPEAKER_03Well, you know what was interesting is uh when I started uh working for Access Hollywood on the East Coast. I was the New York reporter.
SPEAKER_07Who are you who were you with on that?
SPEAKER_03Well, the host of the show when I started, because I was just uh I was New York only, East Coast based. The the hosts out in LA were Pat O'Brien and Nancy Odell. So they were the hosts, and I was just the reporter in New York who got to you know do a story every night.
SPEAKER_07Which is kind of like a weird couple of hosts. It was like uh remember back in the day with Fran Tarkington and uh Kathy Kathy Lee Crosby. Kathy Lee Grifford Gifford? No, Crosby. Kathy Lee Griffith.
SPEAKER_03Well, Pat O'Brien was you know a great sport.
SPEAKER_07One of the great sports guys. That's yeah.
SPEAKER_03And he crossed over to Entertainment, and Access Hollywood had launched with another guy who was a local guy named Larry Menti. I mean, who was a local Philadelphia reporter? It never really got it with Giselle Fernandez. They brought in O'Brien, he elevated the program in two, and it became a direct competitor to Entertainment Tonight. It became like the it he legitimized it off the bat. And Pat and I were great, great friends. And when I started, that guy, I mean, as you know, he went, he went bonkers and he had his moment, you know, he had his tape come out. Oh, Howard Stern had fun with that. But Pat, you know, had that recording that came out where he's calling and he's trying to get, you know, hookers and blow and the and the whole thing, and you know, whoop right off the track.
SPEAKER_07Why do those two always go together? Hookers and blow. You can't just have the blow. I know, and you can't just have the hooker. I mean, it's like hookers and blow.
SPEAKER_03Hookers and blow. So hookers and blow, here we go. So he, but he was so good to me. And, you know, one thing that all the big anchors always tell you is look, one day you'll be, you know, you'll, you, you could replace me. Everybody in that kind of level of entertainment or TV is replaceable. And when I was reporter of New York, I went to see Matt Lauer at the Today Show. And and I just went to basically kiss ass and and and to sit there with the king with the You have to do. You gotta do. And I said, Can I just here as a young guy starting out looking for some advice? What can you tell me? And he did say something, listen, you need to know this in this business. You work your ass off, but everybody's replaceable. Don't ever get comfortable, don't, you know, you know, don't treat people like shit, don't do whatever. He and oddly enough, many years later, as you alluded to, I finished my run at Access Hollywood. We had launched a live a live daytime show. And they said, uh, you know, I wanted to move to the today show. I wanted to do the nine o'clock hour, the Regis hour, the chat show hour. So I said, This is what I want to do. And they're like, Yeah, but we really want, you know, they like to keep you working, you're doing great here. Access is doing great. We want to, you know, we really want to just redo that deal and maybe someday. And I said, I knew I had to go get leverage. You gotta get leverage if you want to move. Uh and so I got, I made some great inroads over at ABC and Good Morning America, and they offered me a a deal to come to Good Morning America and be like a national correspondent for them. And I said, Okay, this is great. And so I said to NBC, look, I'm serious. I I need to move and do something else. So they said, okay. And they know, leverage is that thing. And the same thing in hockey or or or whatever. Leverage is that thing. They know when you have it and they know when you don't.
SPEAKER_07But they after you use it, do they hold it against you later on and go, yeah, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_03Our turn. Yeah, no. You spent yours, you son of a bitch. We're gonna lower your salary because you know what? You got nowhere to go. Right. So I did. I got to the Today show, and uh, it was a very brief stay. But I'll remember, you know, Lauer. You know, I was there with him. Our dressing rooms were like right next to each other.
SPEAKER_07And no secret door or anything.
SPEAKER_03No, but you know what, they get different. The relationship, you can feel the air, you know, change when all of a sudden a younger guy with a little bit of charisma and a full head of hair walks in the door. It's like, hmm, I don't know if I want him around here. So there was tension I could feel for sure. And then they booted me, and a year later they booted him.
SPEAKER_07But can you l let everyone in on like what is the there's like what what am I trying to say? There's a like you got booted incidents.
SPEAKER_05You got booted for the Trump incident, okay? Or that was the excuse. Yeah, but before that, I But how do you get how do you get like there's no way out of that for you?
SPEAKER_03No, no, you know, for me, that was uh first of all, getting booted is a combination. What people don't understand is at morning shows, and if you watch on Apple TV plus, you watch The Morning Show with Reese Witherspoon and Jennifer Aniston, you know, they studied morning shows to know that it's uh it's a high level, like, you know, mean girls, you know, in high school. It's not it's not reality. You gotta cover your seat because someone's, you know, there's always this like paranoia that somebody's trying to take your. It's probably the same thing in any, you know, that is anywhere in life. But uh I definitely wasn't as attuned to it uh as I as I probably should have been. So there was a combo of uh an event that uh that that came up that they, you know, they they were they were trying to take out Trump from being elected in 2016. So that this tape they put out, and they thought for sure this is gonna kill him. They were never trying to kill me. I you know, from you were just no one ever thought that I had anything to do with it. But when they they but to make the point that you gotta get rid of Trump because this is so egregious, we're gonna even fire this little fucker for being there.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03And so I get canned, and Trump says the most brilliant thing anyone has ever said in a debate ever. And I'm related to George H.W. Bush, who did something unbelievable against Mike DeCakis in 1988. But it what does not measure up to what Trump did when they thought that they had him, you know, for what he said on the on the bus, they uh he turned to Hillary and he said, Bill Clinton said worse to me on a golf course. And she went, oh shit, shit. He basically said, You think I'm a dog? Look who you're married to. What are you talking about? And Hillary was like, she had a kill, she had a fresh kill right there, and and she was maimed by that one line.
SPEAKER_07When what was his other one? She said something, and he goes, Yeah, because you'd be in jail. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_03But that was uh, yeah, that was incredible. But the other part of it was, you know, that there I was the new guy and highly, highly expendable. Easily stomped on. Yeah, I was expendable as can be.
SPEAKER_07But the show's never been the same.
SPEAKER_03Today's show? Yeah. Well, they just you know, you they rotate, you know.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, but it's never it, they're not as it used to be something you watch every morning. Yeah. One of those today, good morning, America. I have no interest in listening to them. Yeah, no, no. George Stephanopoulos?
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Like, go go away. Another cooking rat.
SPEAKER_03Here's a cooking segment, everybody. We're all gonna wear spandex today.
SPEAKER_07Steals and deals. Like, yeah, I don't care about a fan I can get for three dollars.
SPEAKER_03Idiot. The steals and deals are exact. Yeah, that that keeps the because the money is, you know, they gotta you gotta pimp out part of the show. I had to do that.
SPEAKER_07And you talk to people about life, and it's like, oh yeah, how about that? And they're like, What? And yeah, like, oh, they didn't they didn't tell you that on today?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you idiot. Watch the news. Well, that's why you and I, guys, are doing what we're doing. Right. You know, me I, you know, I moved my podcast, Hot Mics, to live. I do it live now Monday to Thursday uh at 9 a.m. I want to come out. I'm doing the chat show. I'm doing it live on YouTube, Facebook, TikTok live. We're adding, we release the episodes. I get uh the bookings, uh, having done this for 24 years, I can book the shit out of the thing. I got a couple guys that do it with me, you know, that work with me. And I'm telling you, I'm doing the show that I would have liked to have the freedom to do at NBC. I'm doing right now, and I'm the head of HR and everything.
SPEAKER_07You're the head of HR. That's what I'm saying. Everyone's on like a screen, like, or do you have a few?
SPEAKER_03I bring people into the studio, come in with live, or we'll do a, you know, we'll do a Zoom or a riverside, whatever you want, you know, to connect with. But and but mostly at the top, you know, I just go for 20 minutes and break down everything that's happening from Justin Timberlake's DUY to Taylor Fields.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, see that video just came out.
SPEAKER_03That's not one martini. No, it's just that's not one martini, Ellie. Actually, you know, I got a new thing. It's the Timbertini. The Timbertini is a uh is is a very deep V'd, massive fishbowl of a martini. You have to hold it with two two hands.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, and it's it's like, yeah, I have I've got a world tour, and the guy, the cop's like, what? What are you talking about? He goes, Well, uh, I'm just in Timberlake, and he's like, Well, yeah, ooh. The guy must have been a classic rock and roller. He's like, I don't know how to say this, but I mean, I'm you can't see it.
SPEAKER_03But when you're that rich, just get a car. Oh, yeah, a driver. That's what we said about Tiger Woods. Remember when Tiger was uh, you know, when he went off the road in uh in LA years ago and smashed his ankle and his yeah, like but that was at eight in the morning, right?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I think he, you know, the first one he was trying to try to escape the wife. Like, and sometimes to do that, you just gotta you gotta just go.
SPEAKER_03Wife and the and the seminar.
SPEAKER_07And the seminar she was holding her. But I see, I look at guys like you and I am in awe of the talent. It's like you were born to do what you do. Like you are you you are a chameleon of you could you can do a serious oh yeah, you could do a serious show, you can do funny show, you can do DJing, you can like I've watched you do stand-up at the Bel Air Country Club, and you're the funniest guy I know. And it's just like like it's not like you were you were born from a comedian's right, like you're born in a political family, and all of a sudden you just come out like some like who is this kid? Are you anything like your siblings?
SPEAKER_03No, my brother, my brother is uh it's funny. My brother and I grew up just the top of the.
SPEAKER_07He's going into politics.
SPEAKER_03He wanted to be more like me, and I wanted to be more like him. My brother started one of the biggest healthcare companies in America. He started Athena Health. Absolutely. When you go to the doctor's office and you look at the form that you that you're filling out, or you got it says Athena Health at the bottom on most occasions. He built this thing from him and two other guys in a basement at Harvard Business School and to 6,500 employees, and it sold for seven billion dollars when he left. And then years later, 17 billion dollars. He's one of the great healthcare my visionaries in the country. And now he's uh um he lives in Maine and he's decided to try and you know, he wants to turn around the state of Maine and make it profitable and make it, you know. So he's what he's jumping into the politics, which you know, I didn't. I thought the bushes were done. I thought for sure. That's it. My brother said, you know what? Let me see what happens. I'm gonna give it a whirl.
SPEAKER_07Yeah. How about your kids?
SPEAKER_03What uh I got three girls. Uh, I am uh, you know, Poetic Justice.
SPEAKER_07Well, you know what? Let I want to get into that after we take a break. This is a window world studios. We'll be back.
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SPEAKER_05Welcome back to Ice Guardians, a Window World Studios. Sponsored by Seitman Cancer Institute. I'm here with my best buddy Brett Hall and our great guest, Billy Bush, who we've known for some time. He's been known to wrestle a little bit and uh threw me around golf course one day.
SPEAKER_07He doesn't look tough, but he is.
SPEAKER_05I don't know. He doesn't look tough, but you should see him box. You should see his box. Oh, you want to see that? Not much of a fighter.
SPEAKER_07Right?
SPEAKER_05Or what's the saying? Not much of a wrestler, but you should see your box. Anyway, sorry.
SPEAKER_07We were talking about uh you were gonna tell us about your children, your three girls.
SPEAKER_03About your three daughters. Oh, three daughters. They're uh they're angelic most of the time. Uh 21, 25, and 27.
SPEAKER_07Perfect ages right now.
SPEAKER_03I you know what? You can drink with them. Oh, yeah. Oh, I just, and by the way, my ex-wife, um, you know, Did you get along with her?
SPEAKER_07Very much. Me too. I get along with my ex too.
SPEAKER_03Thank God. We just went the five of us, the OGs, mom, dad, and the three girls. We went on a Christmas vacation. We went to the Bahamas. And then what about your girl?
SPEAKER_07Did she come? Your new no.
SPEAKER_03No, no. Okay. It was just the five of us, which is, you know. It was amazing. We had the best time. The girl, we would get it. Where'd you go? We went down to uh to Baker's Bay in uh in the Bahamas.
SPEAKER_07Friend of Mike, are we?
SPEAKER_03Oh athletes, this is a billionaire's playground. Yeah. Christmas morning, I go out, you know, just to pick up coffees and bring them back to the place. There's Tom Brady on Christmas morning at 7.30 with his son Jack on the range. I said, You don't believe in Santa Claus? What are you doing here? And they he's like, no one's on the course. And there's Brady hitting balls at 7:30. Talk about intense.
SPEAKER_05You have a place at any discovery properties? No, he's FOM. He's a friend of Mike. He's massive.
SPEAKER_03Uh no, we got a uh my we have a membership at uh at Bakers Bay. My brother and I, we we we both joined it together with mom. Is the you know you make your mother the member and vertical.
SPEAKER_07I'm heading to El Dorado here in a couple weeks.
SPEAKER_03Oh, you need well, it's freezing right now. You need oh, you're going down to the pins and fins. Yeah. It's a great, one of the great member guests of all time, is pins and fins. And I remember when you won it with our old director of golf at Bel Air Country Club, Dave. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07You brought him to keep you on the straight and narrow because he No, that's right after I had my heart uh procedure, so I wasn't drinking. And if you don't drink, golf is easy. And you won it. Yeah, like trying to putt with the shakes is one thing. Like when you're sober, it's like, well, just putt it in. It's easy.
SPEAKER_03Read it, roll it, hold it. Yeah, Dave, what a guy he is. Minnesota kid. Minnesota guy. You know, your old friend Dave, with whom you won that tournament recently, fell off a ladder uh cleaning off his roof in Minnesota and smashed all of his ribs. Does he not understand leaf filter? Yeah. Or don't do this, you're at a certain age.
SPEAKER_07It says right on the commercial, get off the ladder.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Wow. It was Minnesota. He's one of those guys that they have to do.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so the what do your girls do? So my girls, one is uh the the youngest one is a junior in college, she's a pre-med. She's uh she's really smart, really smart. She wants to be a doctor, and the middle one is a floral designer. She loves, you know, she's got her own little flower business, and she is uh she designs them and delivers them, and she's you know, started like a little entrepreneur.
SPEAKER_07She's gonna start the new FTD and send them all over the world. Can you believe it? It's so cute.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and then the oldest one was doing all the private parties and special events and uh for Nobu. And uh, you know, up at the if you've been to Nobu and Malibu, I'll tell you that's like a so she's probably the smartest of them all because she'll end up marrying a rich guy. Yeah, well, she's she's yeah, she was.
SPEAKER_07Which I tell my daughters all the time. I got uh a boy and two girls, and they're little, like my son's 31, and I got 20 uh 29 and 27. And I I go, like it's easy, girls. Find the richest guy you can. You can learn to love him.
SPEAKER_03Well, what about your 31-year-old? I want you to be a big Well, he's a guy. Yeah, but for my maybe I said I'm we could have a whole bush wedding.
SPEAKER_07He's he's poor.
SPEAKER_03Oh. Yeah. But his dad isn't.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, no, dad's poor. Hence the ex-wife. Why do you think I'm doing a stupid podcast trying to earn a couple extra bucks, towing myself out to local dealerships? Like a trying to sell an 80-inch TV.
SPEAKER_03I cannot get my eyes off the mullet that you've got going on.
SPEAKER_07One of the greatest of all time, and I never get enough credit for it.
SPEAKER_03It's staring me in the face right here. This beautiful is that a VHS tape of you with a no, that's my book, shooting and smiling.
SPEAKER_07Schmootho. I wanted to come out with one after I retired and go, what was I shooting and why was I smiling? Because all the stories in that book are lies, because he couldn't tell the truth. Yeah. I was still playing, and everything had some sort of uh debauchery mixed in. Well, why not an update? Still shooting still smiling. Or what was I shooting?
SPEAKER_05Yeah. And why was I smiling?
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05Listen, Bush, it's been I know we call you clutch, but we gotta be clutch. Yeah, like where'd clutch come from?
SPEAKER_03Fourth hole, Bel Air Country Club, all three guys hit it out of the out of bounds on the Stone Canyon Boulevard, all four. And no one was getting it together. And I said, Gentlemen, at this time, I said, the Bushman is no longer the Bushman. I am now the clutchman, and I'm gonna ice the rest of the street.
SPEAKER_07What a great golf hole, too, by the way.
SPEAKER_03It's a tough number one handicap. Yeah, it's long on the BACC, long and uphill.
SPEAKER_07You make four there, and then you get poison ivy or the old the old five. Can we finish the answer?
SPEAKER_05That's what I was just talking about. Can we finish the answer? So you hit the you hit I'm now the clutchman.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I said I'm now the clutchman. Gentlemen, watch out. Piped one down the center and rolled them all from that point forward. And then I the guys were laughing the whole time. Oh, Klutchman, Klutchman, what is this? Clutchman, ah, fuck you, Klutchman. Next thing you know, I get in the deck, all the guys are laughing. Clutchman, clutchman. Then the head pro is talking. The next day I walk in, and the your old buddy Dave Potis, the head pro goes, Good morning, Clutchman, and it never stopped.
SPEAKER_05I love it. So I laughed today. I seen the hat and I said, You guys aren't gonna believe this. And I said, That's what that's what his nickname is, his clutch.
SPEAKER_07And there's nothing better than a nickname. But how many guys do we know that have self-proclaimed themselves?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_07A nickname. You're not allowed to nickname oneself. No, like and you didn't nickname yourself the clutchman. You just said, I'm about to be clutchman because all the guys were out of bouts. They know they ran with it. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03They ran with it.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_03Gents, I gotta say something to the both of you. Uh, what a highlight uh in life to be sitting here with two great legends on Ice Guardians. I gotta say it. Chaser, I love you like crazy, my friend. You're a you're a great man, and your fight is something that inspires every single one of us. I I I adore you. I adore you, the man that you are. And Hully, you bring so much joy to people, especially me. I really love you, man. Thank you. Likewise.
SPEAKER_05Thank you. It is a pleasure to have you. I love your guests. We didn't get a chance. I didn't want to get into the politics part of it too much, but you've pulled out a lot of great stuff for a lot of people to understand, and I appreciate you.
SPEAKER_07There's gonna be Billy Bush part two, Chaser.
SPEAKER_05Yes, sir is.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, we'll come back. Got to.
SPEAKER_07It'd be really cool if we could bring a uh Islander or a ranger on with them, too.
SPEAKER_03Don't bring on Fatio. We'll get to it. Don't bring on Fatio. You're the motherfucker that hit me with.
SPEAKER_07I would imagine he's hard to find right now. I wonder where he is. Oh no. Go to the garden at a game. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Still in New York City? Yeah. He loves the Rangers, man. I could not live in New York City. So way too far to get to the golf course.
SPEAKER_05All right, that's another edition of Ice Guardians here in the Window World Studios. We'll be back next week.
SPEAKER_07Thank you, Billy.
SPEAKER_05Thanks, boys. Thanks, buddy boy. We'll be back next week, and we'll be throwing some more hits and stories right at you.