BRIAN SKRUDLAND | Ice Guardians Ep 34

Kelly Chase and Brett Hull are catching up with former NHL forward and Stanley Cup champion Brian Skrudland this week. Chaser tells the guys about how he ended up wearing number 39 in the NHL and Skrewy talks about winning the Calder Cup in the minors. Skrewy tells the guys about the bar fight that he got into with some teammates while they were in Winnipeg and Hully and Chaser talk about some of the almost fights they had when they'd go out together. Chaser asks Skrewy how he handled winning a Calder Cup and a Stanley Cup early in his career and then not winning again until right at the end in Dallas. Hully asks Skrewy about his Cup run with Florida which leads to a story about finding his wife's car running in the parking lot. The guys talk about the challenges that face the coaches and GMs in the NHL and share some thoughts on the draft lottery and the playoff format. 

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SPEAKER_03 0:33

Welcome, folks, Ice Guardians. We're back. We're back. We're back. We've got our Window World Studios, Brad Hall joining me in our Seitman Cancer, brought to you by Seitman Cancer Center. And a special guest today, Brian Scrudlin, who I thought is my number uh 39, because Brian Scrudlin was one of the guys I looked up to. Well, it's more of a story than that, but welcome in, Screwee.

SPEAKER_04 1:07

You don't hear that every day, Chaser. Let me tell you that. Thanks for having me, buddy. Great to see you, Brett.

SPEAKER_03 1:14

Thank you, Screwee. You're actually quoting the trainer, aren't you? Because this is exactly what happened was Frankie Burns. I came in and I just was, I couldn't believe, first of all, I couldn't believe I was in the NHL. Then I walked in and I got 39, and you know, and uh Brian Glynn, I think, had it in Calgary, maybe. And did he have 39, Holly, when he or did you play with him? Yeah, I played with Brian. Yeah, we were Terry Chris whipping boys. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. I don't think he wore 39 though. I don't know. I think he might have, but but either way, it was more so so Screwy's wearing 39 in Montreal. And uh I'm like, fuck, I get you know, I get 39. It's like so I I don't care what number they could give me zero. I don't care anyway, but he comes to me and he says, you know, uh, I get in a fight and he after we'll we'll get you a different, we'll get you a better number or something. I said, Oh, I don't need another number. I I go, uh uh this is good. I like this number. I go, besides Brian Scrudwin's wearing it, and and I and I look up to him, he goes, Oh, well, there's something you're not gonna fucking hear every day. So uh Frankie Burns didn't think much of the Montreal Canadians or Screw, I guess, one of the two. But he laid Frankie. Yeah, laid it out there for me.

SPEAKER_05 2:50

Well, Frankie was just waiting to go get him some Bud Lights at the White House.

SPEAKER_03 2:55

Oh, that's right. The White House, right behind the uh right behind the old arena, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:00

And Chaser, let's be real. I I probably wouldn't have taken the number, but it was the lowest number available when I joined the Habs in '86. It was a funny story because an old teammate of Holly's and yours, Mike Lawler. Him and I went and it was time to pick our numbers. So uh I said to Lulz, well, you go first. He picked 38. And I said, Well, I've always been one better than you. So that's how I ended up with 39. Simple as that.

SPEAKER_05 3:28

I thought to uh I think Brendan Morrow yesterday and Marty Turko. We were playing in the Colonial Pro M uh in Fort Worth, and I said, you know, they gotta they gotta just start retiring names and leave the numbers because you watch these games and there's number 73, and I'm like, come on. You know, give the guy a good number at least, you know.

SPEAKER_04 3:53

Right. Well, I think it goes back to what Chaser said, Holly. You know, for most of the guys, once they get there, it just doesn't matter what number you got here there. We were all so damned excited to be there. Right, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 4:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 4:08

I remember when I got to Calgary, they said, uh, what number do you want to be? And I said, uh, well, I don't care what what's available. And they said, uh 15's available. I said, well, I'll take 15, that's fine. And then they called me back about an hour later and said, Oh, um, someone already has that number. And I go, well, obviously not for very long, if you didn't even know it. They said 16. I said, I'll take it. What number? 16. They said 15 first, and then they said they called me back and said, no, that's uh someone else has that number. And I'm like, oh boy. Holly was warming, Holly was warming 16 up for the Chief.

SPEAKER_04 4:49

Toughest guy in the to play in the on the flames, number 16.

SPEAKER_03 4:55

Well, screw, you grew up in did you grew up in Alberta and then come into Saskatchewan, or you grew up mostly in Alberta?

SPEAKER_04 5:02

Uh mostly Saskatchewan. I was uh uh we left Peace River Country, Grimshaw at the age of five. Ended up or did the Regina, did the Western Swim, Regina, Winnipeg, ended up in Saskatoon at the age of nine. So that was uh that was more or less home for me for the next decade. And I've I've got it on today, Chaser, as a matter of fact, representing the uh 60 plus crew, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Dad was a proud uh dad was a proud member of that group, and and uh quick little story, but they the Hall of Fame opened up a new category for active players uh at the age of 80. So make sure you pass that around because uh they had called Saskatoon. Dad was playing with uh a couple of dozen guys, and and uh and they said, Well, we hear there's four or five guys out there. Well, there ended up being 36 active players in Saskatchewan. So the Hall of Fame came out to Saskatoon, uh big banquet. Uh, one of the things that really surprised me was the old timers went out and played a game. Well, I had been out to watch them many, many a time. And if there's a con if there's a uh sport out there that's similar to watching paint dry, that would probably be the 80 plus group. So so anyway, it was funny as hell, but I thought, oh my god, now we've got a thousand family members at the rink, and those old guys moved like I've never seen them before. It was just incredible. And then I figured, okay, there's not enough defibulators in the rink, but we didn't need one knock on wood. And uh, I think there were probably a half a dozen of them that fell fell asleep at the banquet and forgot to get up for the ceremony, but anyway, it was just great. Those guys were so tickled, and uh to this day it was great for our family to get together for that reason.

SPEAKER_03 6:52

I love it. That's awesome. That's awesome. So you you had family members playing in it?

SPEAKER_04 6:59

Dad. Dad was playing it back in the day, yeah. Yeah, so as a matter of fact, the furthest person to come was my niece from Hong Kong. So that was uh yeah, yeah, it was so cool. What a great weekend. And Saskatoon outperformed themselves, and and so did the hockey hall of fame. I was really proud. So everywhere I go now, I tell those old guys I'm playing with, keep playing. You know, you can do something that very few have done, that's make it into the Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_05 7:24

Right. That's pretty cool. And then you were you're an old Blade. Yes, sir. A number of great players. I saw the uh list on Instagram the other day of um all the uh Western Hockey League championships. And for a team that's been around as long as the Blades, they weren't they weren't on the list.

SPEAKER_03 7:52

No, they've never won, they've lost the three players that played there.

SPEAKER_04 7:59

Yeah, it's incredible, Brett. You know, we had and and some teams. Chaser played on a couple of teams. I played on a couple of teams. We were number one in Canada. Uh just couldn't get it done. And I I I blame the Sutters and uh Kenny Reagan for that, the twin Sutters and and Kenny for that. Those guys were just relentless. And and you know, I go back into the stats, I think we outshot them something like 64 to 17 or something. Every single game we played them. But uh they went on to win the Memorial Cup that year, so that was uh that was good on theirs on their side as well.

SPEAKER_05 8:33

Who was who was their goaler?

SPEAKER_04 8:35

Uh they had they picked up uh well Kenny Reagan was their goalie, and then they ended up picking up Verney, I think, for uh for when they went to the uh Memorial Cup.

SPEAKER_05 8:45

Yeah, because you know we we swept the Blackhawks one year, Chaser. You remember that? And I think they outshot us 50 to 10 every game, and Curtis Joseph had like three shutouts in the game. It was better, it was 2-1 every game.

SPEAKER_04 9:01

It was crazy, and it was all you know, Holly, I'm looking at all these games today and I'm thinking, okay, I only played a couple of years with you, but you had more shots every night than the Canadians have had the last two games. Right. Or the last couple of games anyway.

SPEAKER_05 9:19

It's crazy. And they're right in every game or winning. Like when they beat Tampa with nine shots and they win 2-1. It's like, hold on here. There's a there's something wrong. I remember Holly.

SPEAKER_03 9:33

I remember uh one night in in uh Winnipeg, and Hulley had three goals on Shovel Day, and he had 14 shots on goal after the second period. I had a month where I didn't have 14 shots on goal. The best part I looked at the game sheet, you know, they bring around the game sheets around. I I just happened to be standing up by the Gatorade thing, and I grabbed one of them from the kid when he was bringing them around, and I looked, 14, I'm like, 14 shots on goal. 14 shots on goal. It's we're going out for this. And I know, you know, he he had this thing in his head at the time. He wouldn't score more than three goals because then he because then somebody would follow him around and check him like his old man.

SPEAKER_05 10:24

Guys like Screw, he would come and cross-check me to death.

SPEAKER_03 10:28

I don't want anybody shadowing me, so I don't want to.

SPEAKER_04 10:32

The best part of that story is though after the second period, he's got 14 shots on goal and he's in the dressing room.

SPEAKER_03 10:38

Get me the fucking puck! Somebody get me the fucking puck. Oh yeah. You guys, you guys had you had a hell of a run too when you first got up with Montreal. So I was an unreal run. I agree. Well, yeah, but didn't didn't you didn't you win the uh Calder car first in the minors? The year before.

SPEAKER_04 11:04

We did. We won it the year before. There were uh well, there were nine of us. You know, I'll never forget uh getting ready for the playoffs down there. And we made it really at the end of the season. And in what into our dressing room, both of our goalies got hurt. So into our dressing room walks uh uh Pat Waz's uh team had just lost out in the first round of the playoffs. So in walks in this six foot three, hundred and sixty-three-pound uh uh goaltender. And I thought, uh if uh Gaston Gengra hits him with a slap shot, he'd put a hole in him. And uh sure as shit, was I ever wrong? That kid was so good. So we went on and yeah, we had Rishe join us after he was done that year in the playoffs, and and uh and who else came in? Well, we there were nine of us the next year. But it's amazing what winning does, right? Wasn't it Dave Maley and Well Dave Dave went right up? Carbo there? Who carbo? No, Carbo was already up. Carbo had three or four years uh in the N or two or three in the NHL already, so he was he was well established. Uh Keener didn't come till '89. And they lost the uh and they lost the Calder Cup finals the year before '88. He came he came the same year as uh came the same year as uh Pat Burns. Brent Gilchrist, Keener, and uh and uh Bernsey all came up the same year. And then of course we went to the finals that year and lost. So so that was an exciting season.

SPEAKER_05 12:31

Yeah, well, you so you remember my first game ever in the NHL was game three of the finals with Calgary, and there was the bench clearing brawl. That was my first game ever, and I'm like, what the hell is going on here? And was that not goofy? Kelly had me. Paul Baxter came and punched him in the face right over my shoulder, and I'm like, I'm like, I this is not how it's supposed to start, I don't think.

SPEAKER_04 13:01

Well, I'm standing on the along the boards, uh, Larry and and Joel Otto, and myself and Jim Paplinski, and and we're all kind of scrapping, and and Larry just don't let anything get out of control here, boys. Keep it cool, keep it cool. Anyway, Jim's arm goes up, and on the other side of the glass is my brother, and he's on the other side of the glass, hit him, hit him, and just going nuts. I'm like that to my brother, right? Tax and you son of a bitch. Oh, Christ. What a what a uh what a gong show. What an era. Yeah, yeah, what an era.

SPEAKER_03 13:43

It was a hell of an era, and and and you and you and you look back on it now, and you could tell a thousand ice stories and ten thousand off-ice stories. But one I want to get into is what the hell happened when you guys got into a uh a tussle with Keener in the bar, because he swears to it was you that started all the shit, and uh and and you say the opposite.

SPEAKER_04 14:09

Well, Chase are Chaser right there. You know a seener as soon as Keener opened his mouth, he was wrong. He was telling a lie. So anyway, the truth, the truth, let's just put it this way the truth is in the police report. Right. Well, let's tell the story then. Well, we were out having a couple of cocktails, and uh, and I never realized I was going to be asked to be Superman that night, but anyway, a guy taps me on the shoulder, and I'm sitting at the bar, I got a buzz on a beaver couldn't chew, and and uh and he says, uh, you might want to have a look out the front window here. We're over at the Marble Club. And uh he said, You got a couple of you got a couple of teammates in some trouble out front. Well, I look down and there's Torres and and he's got this big fella, and his buddy's got a cane, and and he's whacking Shane every now and then with this cane. Well, then I look and there's Keener, and he's throwing about 3,000 lefties to this other fella. So I ran downstairs, and the guy that Keener was going with, he didn't see me coming. Boom, he's done. And uh then the two of us moved over to give Shane a hand, and that didn't end up very pretty, let me tell you that. And so now we're walking back to the hotel, followed by one guy, and he said, Fellas, I'm with the Winnipeg City Police. I want you to stop where you are. And I said, Yeah, you got no idea. And he had he didn't show us any idea. But next thing you know, here come the cop cars. And uh so we all get down into the snow, and next thing you know, the guy who pulled us over, he's got his knee in my face, and like he is not being very kind. So I all of a sudden, you guys know what being and playing with the same guys for years sounds like. All of a sudden I hear, so what's going on over here? Well, that's my old left winger, Ron Drager, who's now a Winnipeg City policeman, and I go, Drake! I'm over here on the ground. So he comes over, buddy lets his knee off the off putting pressure on my head, pushing me into the snow. And uh, so Ron was in charge of getting me to his cop car and threw me in the back of the police car, and we had to wait, and then we go down for some processing. But uh, you know, the best part was when they said, boys, just keep yourself, just keep quiet, you know, don't don't be uh uh making any stink, this and that. Well, all of a sudden in walks a guard with all of our hockey cards. We start signing hockey cards in the jail. Yeah, don't don't make uh don't make yourselves noticed. And then and then Birdsey coming to bail us out. That was probably that was probably one of the funniest things. But uh the best part of the story to me was the next night the when we're playing the Jets, and the starting lineup was with me at center, horse on the left and Keener on the right.

SPEAKER_05 17:08

We should have switched that night. You're right, Holly. Right. Wasn't Bernsey uh uh an old man before he turned up?

SPEAKER_04 17:15

Oh yeah. Oh yeah, he knew exactly what it all was about.

SPEAKER_05 17:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:21

It's so funny. You gotta stick up for each other. Well, we certainly did. And and you know, you talk about alumni. Here I got a couple of letters from the alumni uh shortly after just saying, hey guys, way to hang in there together, whether you're on the ice or or uh out in the street. You guys are a team, and it's great to see that. It was like, wow, that was that came from Dickie Moore. And Dickie said, by the way, if Surge gives you a hard time, I got some stories to tell, so let me know.

SPEAKER_05 17:51

Really? Yeah, it was priceless. I chaser will Chase will attest to this that uh you know, we would go out, you know, once in a while after the games, we'd go out and have a couple, and not once when he was with me did he ever get in any trouble. But when I would go home and he would go out, he would call me at like eight in the morning before practices and goes, Hey Haas, I just gotta let you know I had to knuckle someone last night. And I go, Fine, it's strange, I wasn't there.

SPEAKER_03 18:23

Well, it seemed to me like I I swear to like when he was there, I would just, you know, people would sometimes get a little too too aggressive with him, and he would turn his back and just kind of give me this little look. I'd walk over, say to the guy, hey man, you know, give him some space or or whatever. Sometimes I just you know told the guy, hey, listen, fucking beat it. But you know, I never really had to had it had a problem, but when there was when you were by yourself, it was for some reason these guys would you know, you know, get in your get in your kitchen and because they were afraid of me. Oh yeah, I know. Listen, screw me, we're we're walking, we're walking out of a bar one night, and he steps in front of this car, and this guy goes, Hey, and he starts MFing Holly, and Holly giving it back to him. So the guy pulls his pistol out the window and he's pointing it at us, and his girlfriend is grabbing his arm, and Holly's going, Yeah, like you're gonna use that. And I'm like, shut up, shut up. And I and he goes, so he makes it sound like there was never an altercation when he was there.

SPEAKER_05 19:43

I figured that he was gonna step in front of it if he did shoot it, so I was like he knew I was gonna have to take it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:51

And so he makes it sound like there was never a problem when he was there, but but uh he scarred a couple of them too. So there never was, he was too busy doing the crossword. Yeah, that's exactly that's right. Well, he took Bob Berry's Jag one night, stole it. We came in the morning and me. They reported it and he acts like that was me. No, you're the guy who broke the key off in the door, Mitzi.

SPEAKER_04 20:30

Uh I would have stolen it too, just in case he was gonna make you do laps and practice the next day.

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SPEAKER_03 24:06

And it's early in your career. Do you ever get that like Calder Stanley Cup? This just happens a lot. Because I I remember like we win in the Western League, we win in the well Centennial Cup first in Waburn and then win again and then win in the eye. And you kind of go, well, this is just going to continue to happen. And then you play, I played my career and never won. Right. But you win right out of the gate. You kind of get that feeling like, oh, this just kind of happens if you just if you work hard, you'll win again. And then it's a long time before. Well, you had to wait till the end of your career, but you did win twice.

unknown 24:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 24:51

Did you have that feeling? Uh or how how how was it just winning in Montreal?

SPEAKER_04 24:57

Well, you know, Chaser, first I I'd never really since uh almost bantam hockey, I'd really never won a championship. So I I you know you've you you play on so many good competitive teams, and I think when I look back on all of my career, the most disappointing part is not to bring that uh Memorial Cup championship to Saskatoon, especially seeing that seeing that that was my hometown. And you know what that means to people from Saskatchewan. And and I mean, people from Saskatoon were a little pissed that that within four or five years the Prince Albert Raiders are raising the the Memorial Cup. I mean, that was just something else. Uh so you know, we've had a lot of close calls in that city, but um, and then you go on. I mean, in between the Calder Cup and the Stanley, Lannon and I got married. I thought, oh my god, like this is just too good to be true. This is a I'm living a dream now. And and then, of course, uh you get the taste of losing in 89 against the flames. And I said, that's only because we're Canadian. They let us win in 86, we let them win in 89. Um, you know, and then uh, and then like you say, it isn't until uh Holly's big goal in '99 when I get a chance to celebrate again. So, but you really you you sort of feel like you're once you start winning, boy, you get that in your blood, and you just don't want to lose. And uh quick story that happened to me in in Montreal my first year, and uh Hector told Blake hanging around. And so after the first round uh play in Boston, he comes into the dressing room and and it's congratulations as he's going around the room and it comes to me and he says, You haven't won anything yet. Shook my hand, but you haven't won anything yet. Well, same thing in the second round. And we beat Hartford uh 4-3 and OT in game seven. Mr. Blake comes into the dress room, same thing. Beat the Rangers, same thing. Well, now we go on to the Stanley Cup Finals, get into the finals, and and uh we win. Well, here's Mr. Blake. Congratulations, congratulations again to everybody. Comes to me and he says, that's only one. It was like, well, I'm one for one, for God's sake. I think that's a pretty good start. But that, to me, I look back on that on my career, I think that epitomized what the expectations were to be a Montreal Canadian. We're not supposed to win it once every four or five years. This is an every year thing. And going back into the history of the Canadians, I was glad that we won in 86 because they'd won every six years since 19, I think, 26 or 36. So that was uh we didn't, we didn't rock the boat. And then in 96, I found myself in the finals against a few other halves. Uh uh, I was down in Florida and and uh they were in Colorado, but that was Roy and Keene and Claude Lemieux were representing that team, and I was in uh Florida, so we had uh still, well, and Jesse Belanger too was with me in Florida. So we still had five Montreal Canadians in the in the 96 cup, but uh you know history is what it is, and it is what sometimes we make it, and boy, oh boy, I was uh I gotta admit, it's it's something uh hey Holly, you just when you when you get it, you realize how lucky you are to be able to leave the game with a cup, if not with one or two. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:10

Yeah, you think of all the the great players. Uh like I I was never more happy for a guy than Ray Bork when he when he won the the Stanley Cup in Colorado. And it was uh, you know, you just it's almost like those great players, they deserve to win, but they also, and we all know that it is so hard to do, and and it's not always your fault. You know, there's some teams that are just run very poorly, and that you no matter what, you're you're never gonna have a chance to win. And that's why you got to uh you know, at some point look out for yourself and go and I'm gonna sign as a free agent to other places and and get a chance to uh to be successful.

SPEAKER_04 28:56

You bet. Well, that that was the big biggest part of it. I mean, I I looked at the Ray Bork thing when he went over to Colorado for us, because we were gonna probably have to go through Colorado to get there, and there was no way that that we were bowing down to let Ray Bork get his first. It was kind of motivation for us. And I would think a lot of teams when you signed with us, yeah. Well beat them, yeah. And and when you signed with us, I'm sure a lot of teams went the same way, you know. Hey, no way are we letting Bret Hall get his cup here. Like that would be motivation for them. But uh, you know, Holly, I say to a lot of people today and and Chaser, that team in '99 was the only time I dressed up in training camp and and said uh in September, October, this this team's gonna win the Stanley Cup. We had such a great group of characters and such great hockey players. Uh, you know, and goaltending, I mean, Eddie stood on his head, as did uh as did Roman Turk. So we were pretty fortunate in all positions.

SPEAKER_05 29:56

Right. But without without you, Carbo and Keener, Dave Reed, like we were like we had no chance. You guys were the backbone of our team in the dress room and on the ice. It was like, you know, obviously we had Mike and Yari Lettin and uh Nui and Lags, but you know, you guys were the backbone of our team, and that's uh and you can't win without those kind of guys. You see it every year, and on every team, it's like, who are the guys that are gonna make you win? It's like it's Kachuk, it's Bennett for Florida, and and those are the guys that that win it for you, you know, because the guys, you know, Mike Modano's gonna do his thing. Joe Newendike's gonna do his thing.

SPEAKER_04 30:40

You bet.

SPEAKER_05 30:41

You know, you've got to have guys taking care of the other teams, New and Dyke's and Modano's.

SPEAKER_04 30:46

You bet. Well, I I tell people on your show uh story today that I sat on that bench, I got the best seat in the house in the key Keystone Center or Key West Center there in Buffalo. I sat beside you, and uh it was a little tap, and it was like, screwy, I think this is it. Because I've I think I've only got one more shift left in this thing, and it was like, yeah, baby. And I was watching a program here, you guys, recently, and I I didn't realize the the NHL had sent out a memo for the Stanley Cup Finals there about that rule. Somebody just brought that up to my attention here in the last month. I thought, well, that hey, that explains it all. And here I've been telling people uh since 1999 when they say, Well, was Brett Hall's foot in the crease? I I got a little ring to show them. I say, You this isn't in the crease.

SPEAKER_05 31:40

Yeah. And you should say, I go through airports all over the country, and all of a sudden you'll just hear there's no goal. And I'm like, everyone's from Buffalo in this country. Either that or it's just Lindy. Yeah. Hey, we got to take a break from the Window World Studios brought to you by the Simon Cancer Center. We'll be right back. Now it's time for our get checked moment of the game. And today we're talking about breast cancer. And if you're a gentleman watching, please tell your wives, girlfriends, friends, daughters, sisters, aunts, and even your mother-in-law. Gals watching, listen in closely to this. If you're 40 years older and haven't yet gotten your manogram, it is so important that you do. Women who undergo regular yearly screening for breast cancer have better outcomes than women who don't. If you have family history of breast cancer, there is a chance you will need to start getting screened even earlier. And that's something to talk to your primary care physician about. Zeitman Cancer Centers offer a mobile mammography van that parks at convenient places like Schnooks and Walmart all over town, so you can get screened on your way to run errands. Check out the van schedule and make an appointment on Zeitman's website, Zeitman.washu.edu or type in your zip code at get screenednow.com. If you're in Missouri or Illinois, to find multiple locations near you to get screened.

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SPEAKER_04 35:07

Fantastic to be with you guys and great to spend time with Chaser. I uh I'll tell you, when all of this uh stuff came about and uh Kelly and I were together, he had said to me, Screwy, I'll be the first ever. And look at this, we still got him, Holly.

SPEAKER_05 35:25

Right? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 35:26

You know? So uh continue to be the first ever, my friend. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 35:33

Tell us how fun the run was uh when you went to the finals with Florida.

SPEAKER_04 35:40

Oh my, that was uh well, you know, first and foremost, we beat some pretty good teams, and and that was uh, you know, uh Borkey and the Bruce uh that first round, and then it was the Legion of Doom in the second round, which I'm surprised anybody came out of that alive. And and the funny part of that story was Bobby Clark was our first GM. And when Bob had a we were only shucks, three, four months into our inaugural season down there in '93, and Bob got a chance, he got a call from the Snyder family. They wanted him back in that flyer fold. And and uh he called me, I was a team captain, we went for lunch, and and he said, Screw, I this is just something you do as a person when when you have family and they're calling you home. And as much as I'm really proud of what we've developed here and built, I'm going back home. And well, I told him, I said, I think you're making a mistake coming from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. And uh anyway, we chuckled and laughed. Well, after that series was over in '96, the second round, and we beat Philly. He came into our dressing room, he took the time to shake every single one of our guys' hands and wish us the best moving forward. I was the one uh just at the door when he was walking out, and he said, You're a man of your word, you asshole. And it was uh so we sort of got a chuckle out of that. And then uh and then off to Pittsburgh to beat Mario and the and the Penguins. And I, you know, we look back on it. Your teams. Oh, shucks. And and then we look back on it, and we we didn't go back to Florida that night. We went directly out to Colorado. And uh I think the excitement of what was going on in Florida, uh, just to have seen it before we left may have been uh even more of an inspiration for all of us. But when we came back after being down two games in Colorado, that place in Florida was just bop. And our drive to the rink all the way from Fort Lauderdale down to Miami, it was signs, and they had the highway signs. I mean, it was just nuts. And then at night they had rats climbing up build side of buildings with shadows, and yeah, they just it was just over the top. I mean, that was the introduction to uh to uh a possible championship team down south, which of course they really liked with the Dolphins and and the Heat, and and uh so that was just for a guy coming from uh from Canada, getting a chance to play hockey in that type of an environment. It was just uh it was just like somebody like a uh an angel had sent me there because it was a special time of my career. You get a little older. Uh love that warm weather. There's nothing like going for a swim after a hockey game, loosen the body up, a cold beer, cigar, whatever outside. I mean, it was just lovely. So uh we enjoyed ourselves down there. We're was hoping for uh another shot out of uh sooner than what ended up happening, but sure I'm proud of that organization and the way they turned it around and won a couple championships. Fantastic.

SPEAKER_05 38:49

Who is uh who is the coach? I can't remember who the coach was.

SPEAKER_04 38:53

Well, we started off with Raj. Roger Nielsen, and then and then it went to uh Dougie McLean took us to the finals that year uh with uh flanked by uh Dwayne Sutter and Lindy Ruff, as a matter of fact.

SPEAKER_05 39:06

A couple of old blues and Roger Nielsen, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:12

Yeah, yeah, it was good. They uh they you know the one thing Wayne Haizenga has set us up, the owner set us up. I think those guys had everything we needed. Uh playing down in Miami was a little different back then, too, compared to the new Rink. It was a much smaller type of an atmosphere. If you remember the old Miami Arena was almost a little bit like the Boston Gardens, it was uh Titan, nowhere to hide. So uh we appreciated that. Yeah, it was kind of in the middle of nowhere, wasn't it? Sawgrass? Well, that's where it is now. I mean, that's where we all of us live, as a matter of fact, back then. We were out in Coral Springs, but we were right downtown Miami back in the day. And and uh yeah, I'll tell you a quick story. Lana was so excited. My brother and uh brother and uh sister-in-law came into town. Lana brought them to the game. Uh uh go out after the game. I'm signing some autographs, they're gonna go ahead to the car. I said, Well, there's not many people here today, just wait. So they waited. And when we got closer to our car, I noticed that the lights were on. Well, Lana left the car running the entire game. Down downtown Miami in a secure thing. And I knew it was her car because it was a traveler in the in the uh there was a traveler in the in the console.

SPEAKER_05 40:31

Right.

SPEAKER_04 40:35

Tell me, tell me they weren't excited to go to see a hockey game.

SPEAKER_05 40:39

Right? That's like my wife Darcy. It's like we walk into restaurants and she she thinks she can just bring her drink anywhere she wants to go. I'm like, leave the thing in the car.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

Well, well, one of the things that uh I was, you know, I was reading a little bit on, you know, I wasn't reading, someone was reading to me. I can't see. There you go. We were talking, we were talking about, you know, just a little bit about your career or whatever, and um you win and you you're you that was the last year you played, I think, right?

SPEAKER_04 41:23

Pretty much. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:25

So what got you right away into like did did you uh did you had an offer right away to go into hockey? Is that what kind of set I did that decision?

SPEAKER_04 41:35

You know, Chaser, and that that's that's where I mean Craig Button was the director of player development with the stars. Uh Craig had an opportunity to was talking about possibly getting that GM job in Calgary, and and Lana and I were gonna put everything in storage and go travel off to Australia for a year, take the kids, and I had a couple of coaching gigs that I could have done over there. Um anyway, I joined the Flames uh with the idea that I was gonna learn that upper management position, and and uh, you know, looking back hindsight, I should have probably stood my ground a little more in the sense of no, I I don't want to go behind the bench because come November, uh, as much as Craig said, you know, you haven't been together probably for one of Atlanta's birthdays and all your kids and blah, blah, blah, and which is very true. I mean, we we do sacrifice a lot as hockey players uh with our travel schedules, etc. But um so and he said, You've got a beautiful place up in northern Saskatchewan, you'd probably like to see it in the fall for the first time. I said, Yes, I'd love that. Well, as things didn't work out exactly as planned. There I was behind the bench as an assistant coach, I think on November 16th, and we all know what that means. Uh all of a sudden there's no more sea in northern Saskatchewan. You're up, you're in the room at 6 a.m. and and uh going over video, and you might get lucky to get home for supper. So, you know, it's not uh it's not an easy job. I I I really look at each and every one of those coaches. I know they put in their time and and uh hopefully those players have the respect and and uh adulation for the job those guys do because they don't leave a rock uncovered today. It's something else.

SPEAKER_05 43:13

Yeah, well, and you know, there's a probably only one job worse, and that's the GM. You know, he's got he's got to deal with the players, the minor league players, the players' wives, the minor league players' wives. He's got the scouting, the pro scouts, the amateur scouts, he's got he's got the European scouts. Uh it's just uh it's a 24-7, 12-month-a-year job. And uh those GMs that do a great job with that, you know, I you know, tip my hat to him. I I kind of had a little uh year of it in Dallas, and it it the like it's very, very time consuming, and you've got to be on top of everything. You know, you make one bad mistake and and it can set your franchise back five, six, seven years. You bet. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:02

I watch Army and Steener in the transition here. And Doug man puts in the hours of this Alex Steen, man. He is so uh he's I I want to say dedicated, but strong word. He's so conscious of uh of what's going on and learning and then taking from other people. Like he went to Denver, sat with the I got him set up with uh Coach Payton. He sat in the meetings, he sat in every free agent signing, every single cut they had uh with the Broncos last year. It was unbelievable. And he and I mean we would go there at seven in the morning, practice facility, and at uh we'd leave there at 1 a.m. And he he took in everything. So you see the time they put in now to try and not make that, like Hulley said, one little mistake. You try and really eliminate that little thing that might change the franchise.

SPEAKER_05 45:06

Yeah, and you and you watch. It's gonna happen this year at the draft. Someone's gonna that wrong guy first overall, and it's gonna be a terrible mistake.

SPEAKER_04 45:17

Well, something else. What are your guys' thoughts? What are your thoughts on that uh uh on the uh on the balls and the the idea that the last place team doesn't end up with that first pick overall? Are you guys okay with all that?

SPEAKER_05 45:31

No, uh it's all it's a it's a farce to me. It's it's all designed for media and and viewers and clicks. Uh, you know, if if you're the worst team in the NHL, you should get the first pick overall. And that's you know, the it's just like the playoff format. You know, you know, every year there's four, three, four, five quality Stanley Cup contending teams that are out in the first round.

SPEAKER_04 46:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:02

It's the best round of hockey. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:04

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no doubt about it. That I I I mean, we all grew up in that era too, where it was 1-8, and I don't know. It just seemed it just seemed that was your reward for how hard you're gonna play during the regular season. Pretty much. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:25

You know, well, it didn't and without, you know, whatever you put aside, I think Gary and Bill Daly have done a great job with the NHL. I think it's in a real good place, but if there's one criticism I would make, it's it's the playoff system.

SPEAKER_04 46:45

Yeah, I would too. Yeah, you can't, I don't think the game's ever been at a better place. And and to watch it, I'm gonna need I'm gonna need that uh flair behind the puck here pretty soon at my age. They're moving so fast.

SPEAKER_05 47:00

Right? They're unbelievable. Big and fast. I'm afraid that something's gonna go right through the end boards one night. I'm sure watching me was easier on the eyes. Yeah, yeah. You didn't have to move your neck too quick.

SPEAKER_03 47:15

Well, how you always says that McDavid is either gonna run through the end wall or take take flight, one of the two.

SPEAKER_05 47:22

Oh my god, yeah. Him and McDonough. It's like that air gets in their jersey, they're just gonna take off like the wicked witch on the broomstick.

SPEAKER_04 47:31

Now, I still haven't seen anybody's jersey raised the way Mo's did. Right? Hey, it's like that that was like a kite. I it was uh watching the taper them now. Screw you. Yeah, I guess that would be it. Taper them. Right.

SPEAKER_03 47:46

Yeah, I couldn't fight with the jerseys they wear now. I was too short. I'd be stuck in that thing, I'd get the shit kicked out of me every game.

SPEAKER_05 47:59

I don't know if you ever heard this uh story. Uh and I'm not sure if you were still in uh Montreal, and Keenan had just come to St. Louis, and uh I never thought I'd be the guy to get caught up in his beast.

SPEAKER_06 48:16

Right.

SPEAKER_05 48:17

But he he got me, he got me. And I said, Yeah, I'll show him. And we were in the Montreal Forum, and I go, I'm gonna get in a fight. I'm gonna get in a fight just to show him. And all of a sudden there's Mike Keene, and and and I'm like, and thank God it was right in front of the benches because Chaser looked at me and he saw what I was thinking, and he stood up and just screamed, and it was it was Keener. And he's like, and I'm like, okay, and I just skated away. And then going a few years later, going and obviously playing with you and Keener in Dallas. I told him that story, and he he was like, Oh, I wouldn't have even hit you. You would have hit you with so many left, you would have been begging for a right. That's that's how aware Chaser was of what was going on out there. I was watching him and I'm seeing you, and he's like, don't do it.

SPEAKER_03 49:25

Go ahead, I'm sorry. No, you got it. Well, I just I you're headed over to him and you're head and you're going towards him, and I can see you got this unusual look, and I'm thinking, there's no and then I just Is that Holly's fighter look? Hey, hey, hey, hey, and then I start yelling, no, hey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 49:48

And I looked over at him, and he's like, when he says no, I'm like, well, that's obviously a reason. Holly makes a little U-turn. U-turn.

SPEAKER_03 49:59

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:01

Make a U-turn, grab onto a guy four times his size, Rick Green, and you'd be much safer. Right.

SPEAKER_05 50:09

Keener would have, he with that little little left-handed jackhammer would have killed me.

SPEAKER_04 50:15

Oh, God.

SPEAKER_05 50:16

I remember although he wouldn't have known I was a lefty.

SPEAKER_03 50:20

I remember playing in uh in in training camp. We I went to Moose Josh Camp and was staying there with Keener. And I remember, you know, hearing about how, you know, he was just, as you guys know, he was just ripped. Just like stomach muscles just sticking out and just ripped. And uh little guy. And going to I was going to the rink one day, and uh and they had guys that were like middleweight kind of guys like probably like me, like Kevin Harum and Kurt Lacton, and these guys, and everyone's like, oh, Keener. And then Lyle Lodeline says to me one day, oh, we had Jimmy McKenzie and Lyle Lodeline and Bucksberger too, didn't he? He says to me one day, he says, he you talked to Keener about whatever about we were playing PA, and I said, no. He goes, well, just let Keener handle Baumgartner and Manson. I'm like, what? What? He's half their size. What do you mean? I go, oh, we'll get in there for him. And like Jimmy McKenzie's standing there nodding his head, like, yeah, that's okay, just leave him for him. I'm like, this guy is this guy is half their size. And they were saying, no, just leave those two guys to him. And I'm like, all right, no problem then. And I mean, so that's the kind of respect he commanded.

SPEAKER_04 51:57

Yeah, it's not the size of the dog in the fight with that fella.

SPEAKER_03 52:01

You know, what now his father was a uh was a uh guard at the jail or something?

SPEAKER_04 52:10

Or yeah, thank God it wasn't the jail we were in. His dad wasn't very happy with me. Let's just put it that way.

SPEAKER_03 52:21

I heard when you guys got put in jail, you're his dad was pissed off.

SPEAKER_04 52:26

Well, I was the elders elder statesman of them all, and his mother told me, I'm very disappointed in you. And I said, Mrs. Keene, I just received a call from my wife. She was standing in in the line at the grocery store when she heard about it. So I have to apologize to her as well.

SPEAKER_05 52:44

When you hear that from a Canadian mother, that I'm very disappointed. And it's like it's like the worst thing you can ever hear.

SPEAKER_04 52:54

Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, it wasn't uh it wasn't pretty. We behaved ourselves for a little bit after that, let me tell you.

SPEAKER_03 53:02

Well, that's good. Let's take a break here, and Ice Guardians coming at you here from the Window World Studios. Back in a minute.

SPEAKER_01 53:09

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SPEAKER_03 53:51

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SPEAKER_05 53:56

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SPEAKER_03 54:01

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SPEAKER_04 55:17

That's a Montreal 1986. Really truly never been shined. And for some reason, this one is the 99 Dallas. Yeah, tarnished. It's tarnished. What's going on?

SPEAKER_05 55:32

My wife tarnish mine or shine mine up all the time.

SPEAKER_04 55:37

Well, and I've tried shining this up. And I even talked to Craig Button, who most people know from Sportsnet, has his Stanley Cup in the background. Looks exactly the same as this one. So not really complaining. I like to look through the window of these Stanley Cups, but at the same time, you like them shiny too. It's a beautiful view right there.

SPEAKER_05 55:57

I'll tell you that, Screw.

SPEAKER_04 55:59

Yeah, beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 56:00

That was what we played for, right?

SPEAKER_04 56:04

Yes, exactly. Well, it's what we all play for. Let's face it, every time we lace up those skates. What are you saying, Screwy?

SPEAKER_05 56:13

About the tarnish? Yeah, I think they give the better cup to the Canadian teams.

SPEAKER_04 56:20

Well, you know, back then, uh, when I won this, gold was $500 an ounce Canadian. So I don't know if that has anything to do.

SPEAKER_03 56:32

I know it's silver, but uh maybe that quality has changed. I got the King Clancy award and it's tarnished, so maybe, and it was silver.

SPEAKER_05 56:42

Yeah, just just over time. It got tarnished after they gave it to you.

SPEAKER_04 56:51

You nasty.

SPEAKER_05 56:54

I can't even find half. I got I've got my two mini cups, but I don't have I can't find my president's trophy. Uh idea where that is.

SPEAKER_04 57:06

Well, I had all my stuff behind the I had all my stuff behind the furnace in uh uh 2013 and was up in northern Saskatchewan when we got hit by the flood, Atlanta, and the kids all went downstairs, grabbed all of anything that looked like it was of value. Well, don't I just have a brain fart and forget to tell her all of my Stanley Cup stuff with all the original boxes, everything, the bags, the boxes, it was all in behind the uh furnace because I never really had a place to be able to show it back then. So I just had it all in a nice, all in a nice box. Well, it was, I mean, the power of water is incredible, right? Yes. So I think about I think it cost me about $9,000 to fix everything back up and get them to where they're presentable again. But they'd really been tarnished and and uh thrown around out in that basement during that flood.

SPEAKER_03 57:58

So my sons have uh done a really good job of well, they've tossed out all of the stuff from when I was a kid and get these, you know, phantom chains everything that that's all pictures, throw it. But they've done a hell of a job of keeping the NHL stuff that I thought, uh, what the hell what are we keeping? And they're they're like, no, in a in a plastic tub, in a plastic tub, in a plastic tub. So when we we put together the Window World Studios, um, which we didn't get to do the broadcast from today, unfortunately, the stuff is all in pristine shape, and it's a bunch of stuff too that's kind of cool. The people that I didn't find that cool until now. But when you see five magazines with Bobby Plaguer on the front of them, and you realize how much you miss that guy and how much he meant to the organization, it's pretty cool that you have it. And it's you bet from '67 to when he passed, you know. And uh that's that to me is pretty neat.

SPEAKER_05 59:16

Like the good the great pitcher uh with wire, Johnny Wensink. Oh, yeah. T stop in front of the Minnesota bench, bringing them all on, and then not one of them moved. That's a great pitcher. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_04 59:31

Well, Chaser, you you should be proud uh coming from Saskatchewan. Everything that you've accomplished. I don't know if there's another uh member of our alumni coming from Saskatchewan that's uh more known around the world for everything that you've done, uh, from charity to uh teammates to helping out uh to assisting with your uh with Steen, probably becoming one of the future uh better general managers in the league. Uh congratulations to you. And and you know we're all still uh 110% pulling for you and and all the struggles that you've been through. And and you told me you're gonna be the first to do it for some reason. I'm still believing, even though you're sitting in a hospital, black eye, you can't see me, but uh you know we love you, bud.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:23

I get it. If I could if I could tell you half the things that he has done for the city of St. Louis uh through charities, and you know, him and our good friend Tony Sanson, they started the Gateway locomotive uh uh hockey team. Uh I mean, just one thing after another. It's incredible. And uh he's a hell of an ambassador for our game. You bet.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:50

Well, I appreciate you guys and funny story, like my black eye, I they sewed my eye up so my it wouldn't blink and and scratch the cornea. And so I have this. I'm watching, I can hardly see, but I see on one day on uh Instagram this thing. So I tell my friend Kate, I said, Kate, can you can you buy this? And it's a swing bag, you know, it's the one that's tied to the floor and tied to the ceiling, except this one just sucks to the floor, so they don't need to tie it to the ceiling, so it just goes back and forth. Like you hit it, it comes right back at you. And it's just like a speed bag, but it's down to the floor. And I got up one morning and I I it was just sitting there. I'm looking around, I'm like, geez, didn't sleep great, can't see real well, but I start hitting it with my hand, or I hitting it with my left hand, I'm hitting with my right, and then I go wham, and I take a step forward, the thing comes back, hits me right in the side of the head, and I go boom, right? Like, so I knock the thing off the stitches. So I gotta I gotta call the charge nurse and say, Hey, could you have somebody come in here and take a look at this thing's this thing's bleeding? And she goes, What the hell? Did you fall? No, I got hit by the bag. I got sugar, lost another. Like, Jesus, give me a win here. The swing bag beat me up. Anyway, so I still got a black eye from it, but they took the the stitches out. Well, well, Screwy, listen, it's been a pleasure having you on, and I appreciate all the kind words. We gotta do it again. Holly and I were talking about it. He loved you as a teammate. I loved you because I got to wear your number. You were an inspiration what growing up. Just when I was uh when I was a young guy trying to figure out if I could play just in Humboldt, Saskatchewan in tier two. There were certain people you looked up to that worked extremely hard. Lane Lambert, yourself, Raj, Kurtko. There was just guys that were around the city, and it was Wendell and I and the Clark boys and kosher that watched you guys and how hard you worked, and give us the opportunity to skate with you in the summer and be around uh be around you and made us better. So thanks for that. And again, I've always respected how hard you worked and your family and the way you treated me. So we appreciate it. Holly and I were talking about it and how you uh important you were to as a teammate. So uh, chance to do that and play with you, but it didn't, and Holly expressed those great thoughts.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:13

Could you imagine Chaser would have been the first time they had two number 39s on the same team?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:21

Ever. They would have given me 139.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:27

I love you guys, and thanks for having me today. It was a real ride. Always great to always great to reflect on some good old stories. Thanks for bringing those back.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:36

Hi to your family, love to your family.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:38

Yeah, thanks, and the same to you guys. All right.