ADAM SCORGIE | Ice Guardians Ep 40

Brett Hull and guest host Tony Twist have Adam Scorgie back in studio this week. Scorgie talks to the guys about how he discovered the game of hockey and how he has been able to use his skills as a producer to tell stories about the game. Twister asks Adam to talk about some of the documentaries that he has been a part of and Adam tells him about making the Danny Trejo documentary and how the making of Ice Guardians happened. Adam tells the guys about working on his newest documentary "Tootoo: The Jordin Tootoo Story" including trips up for a caribou hunt and the Terence Tootoo Memorial hockey tournament put on in Nunavut. Twister asks Adam to reflect on some of the lessons he learned while in Nunavut making the Tootoo documentary.

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SPEAKER_04 0:26

A scourge of people. A scourge. Welcome back to another episode of Ice Guardians. I'm Bret Hull from the Window World Studio, brought to you by Seitman Cancer Center. There's Brad Hull. I'm Tony Twist. And our good friend Adam Scourgey, one of the uh most acclaimed filmmakers uh across North America.

SPEAKER_07 0:54

Well, thank you. It's an honor to be here. I mean, I grew up watching both you and Twister. We were sharing stories earlier. I still uh one of my biggest regrets in my filmmaking career is that I didn't get you for Ice Guardians and schedules in, because you are definitely a legendary Ice Guardian. So the podcast is fitting the name is one of the greatest that you put on any list of legendary tough guys that played in the game.

SPEAKER_04 1:13

Well, and trust me, I will I appreciate back that up 100%. Yeah, you just keep your hands above the table.

SPEAKER_07 1:21

Don't worry, my hands are staying in there. You know they talk about guys having their gloves cemented on, mine are fucking cemented on. Not coming out. I watched those high. The only is anybody else other than Twister, when he threw punches, reach from like his ankles back to Joey Kosher. Yeah, kosher. Joey Kozier. Oh, sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:39

Could have been where you learned it from.

SPEAKER_07 1:40

Oh well. I mean, a good teacher there. Oh shit. I had the honor of interviewing him too. That's uh um, you know, pinched myself a little bit here sitting down, even just that the podcast is named Ice Guardians, because even when I was gonna use that name, I remember a lot of people like, no, you need to call it honoring the code or something more hockey. I was like, no, I'm trying to show the human side of these players. I want something different. I want something that's gonna catch. I I put ridiculous amount of thought into the title because I also wanted to, at the time that we were trying to push that forward, we were that's when the media was really trying to attack you guys. I I called it an attack, saying that you guys everything that was wrong with the game, every problem that was wrong. Hockey's whole problem would be if they got rid of enforcers, the game would be perfect, which is we all knew.

SPEAKER_04 2:27

It's just the complete opposite. Exactly. There would be no more hockey. Exactly. You know, like ice guardians is just like that shirt you have on. Yeah, the violent gentleman, uh George Perros along the same lines.

SPEAKER_07 2:41

So uh I love this because it gets, yeah, Peros said, well, it's a team out of it, always gets attention because like, what do you mean by a violent gentleman? I'm like, it's like any contact sport. You get it all out on the field or the ice and you guys shake hands afterwards. That's right. Yeah. We're talking about like gentlemen. Yes. I went to school as I was telling Twister, like, I don't know if you knew this, Holly, but I went to school with Parker, Scott Parker, and Todd Fedoric.

SPEAKER_04 3:02

Did he have that beard when he was in high school?

SPEAKER_07 3:04

Fucking he was a man amongst children when he came in.

SPEAKER_05 3:07

I believe that in grade eight it started, in grade nine it got to about here. In grade 10, he was starting to form in my graduation year, full in case.

SPEAKER_07 3:17

He had to do he had to be Z Z top every Halloween. He was the most intimidating. Like in high school, he showed up, and we'd never say this out loud, obviously. But behind, we're like, How many years has he failed? Because he looked like a man. He had this great, his goatee was just like a regular, like kind of what I have right now, but he was six five, a giant. Like, we're all little shits in school. So like him and Fridgy came, but then I got to really see that intimate side of them, like as high school students, challenging for this dream of playing in the NHL. And it brought me back to hockey where I went and I learned. And and my good friend Vic would explain to me, he's like, now, watch, like right now, they're down to nothing. So they're gonna put Parker and Fridgy out, they're gonna try to get something, they're gonna try to shift momentum. I'm like, what do you mean? They're like, Well, emotions, sports are based on emotions, so they're gonna try to trigger some, they're gonna try to pick a fight, they're gonna try to do something because their team is getting dragged into the mud right now. And then, yes, they'd go pick a fight, and you'd see the arena come to life. And I was like, How did I not watch this game more? I was like, this is amazing. And then you'd see the nerves that they'd go through at high school because it'd be like Parker would be like, Fuck, Skerlach's coming into town, or Rocky Thompson's coming, or this guy's coming, right? And they were you could see them, they're still kids, right? They're teenagers at the time.

SPEAKER_05 4:30

Do you say Rocky Thompson?

SPEAKER_07 4:32

Yeah. Now, where does he chime into that? So at the time, I remember this was like the most iconic fight for the Rockets when I was going to high school. And explain who the Rockets are, please. So the Kelowna Rockets are the WHL team. They just had Memorial Hockey League. Western Hockey League. They just had Memorial Cup. Yeah, they did.

SPEAKER_04 4:48

Also, there, this this one who ended up winning, the Everett or No.

SPEAKER_07 4:53

No, it wasn't. Um, it's the other team. They kind of look like a Rangers uniform.

SPEAKER_04 4:57

Oh, the Kitchener Rangers. Yeah, yeah. Kitchener Rangers. Kitschner Rangers.

SPEAKER_07 5:00

Yeah, the Rangers won. So we're at school. Every guy, you always went to the Rockets games because the Rockets, like when they were coming through the Klona Rockets, they would bill it and they would all go to KLO, right? So they were coming through, so they'd hand out tickets. So every guy, worth a salt, even if you weren't a hockey fan, when Rocky Thompson was coming, because those teams only played each other once a year, and everybody was talking. Rocky was the toughest in his division, Parker was the toughest. They're like, oh, it's going to be the most epic, legendary battle. That's so every guy, we went to that game, that arena was packed. There was 3,000 people in the old memorial arena where you had like the cement benches. There wasn't even really seats. And they didn't disappoint. I was just showing me, showing my boys these clips, and Will should cut it into this clip. You don't do hockey like this anymore. They didn't disappoint one second into the game. They played, they put the their lines out. They usually play opposite wings, they switch so that they're right there. Nobody even goes down for the faceoff. The centerman knows that they're like the fight's gonna happen first. They just drop the puck, go center ice, the team circled around them. They put the rocky music on dun dun dun dun and they fucking and the jerseys come off, and they're Parker's fighting. Both of them are fighting with just shoulder pads and jerseys. And if you were a Parker fan, you're like Parker won it. If you were a Thompson fan, one second into the match, the arena went crazy. It was the most anticipated game that I can remember in high school. Like playoffs, who fucking cares? It was Rocky Thompson and Parker one. And that's when you became a hockey fan. That's when I became. I just was like, wow, like the sport within the sport, the huge the humanity beside the human nature of like sticking up for your teammates and rallying the team in a way. You see this all the time in the pro teams now, where you're like, fuck, this team has no heart. Like they're getting paid millions of dollars. Feels like there's nothing happening. I know people don't want to hear this, but violence will bring people together. When you have a team, you were talking about this earlier, Twister. Like, you may not love all your teammates, but when you see you all go to war where you a blind brawl or something happens, and everybody goes, everybody now feels like holy fuck, me and him don't even get along, but he had my back, right? Like now you feel a new camaraderie that you can't get from doesn't matter how many fucking dinners you go on with a team or bowling, like let's do a team thing, nothing will bring you together like that. And that's why we got that human behavior specialist in Ice Guardians that talked about it. It's like, of course not. That's in science. Even if you take a group of all leaders and you put them together, there is a hierarchical thing that will break down where you'll have a leader, a champion, a joker. They will all break down to that way. That's just the way that kind of the human species breaks down. Absolutely. And that's where he was fascinated when we introduced him to Ice Guardians. He's like, I don't know anything about hockey, but I love that you guys are bringing this up because it's a great example of how that human behavior follows itself even in the highest scripted violence, but unscripted in its own.

SPEAKER_04 7:48

Right. So we know you as I said in the intro, one of the greatest filmmakers in North America. Tell us how you got into that after high school. You go and how do you become a filmmaker?

SPEAKER_07 8:10

Well, thank you for saying one of the greatest. I'll take that as like I kind of feel like I'm like a fourth-line guy that keeps making my value worth, where I keep winning awards when I shouldn't. I keep getting like so. I think it's where I had a bond with the tough guys. But I I I went originally, I mean, I I grew up in Kelowna with uh like the Kelowna Rockets, and then my dad actually owned a strip club. And I what was the name of that? Cheetahs. Oh no, do you know where that was? Back in the day, there may have been an opportunity to know what it was called. Uh I inherited that, but I already I came back. I I I left because my dad had had that all for me. And I was like, no, no, I want to go try to create my own. Your dad was leaving a legacy with cheetahs? Yeah. Well, isn't he a well job, dad? Well, Devin, you Twister, you know that world. It isn't all roses and sunshine. Oh, hell no. No, no, no. So you're dealing with, I mean, I I left. I went to New York, I went to film school. Uh, I was in front of the camera more, but I found quickly I was much better behind the camera and solving problems. And something though that the nightclub world prepared me for in the film world, which is very valuable, is bringing groups together of all different walks of life. So when she What age was this for you? I was 23 when I inherited it. Okay. My dad passed away at 47, hard complications. And I he had a nightmare of a will, and I had inherited a disaster. And that's where I learned my producing skills of how to navigate businesses, shortfall debt. I'm dealing with motorcycle clubs, dancers, tourists. I'm dealing with the whole dynamic of trying to navigate all this. It was on a podcast. Strippers, the dancers. Come on, we like to call that dancers.

SPEAKER_05 9:42

Those are female entertainers, young man. Yes, yes, female entertainers.

SPEAKER_07 9:50

Uh, night, but that's it. It's funny. I was on an interview recently, and someone's like, no wonder, Adam, you're able now to deal with like celebrities, athletes, business people, film world, because putting on that face as an owner for that world of dealing with, I still like with a lot of the guys from the MC, I still write character witness letters. Like they're good friends of mine. I don't see them as the devil that society often portrays them, right? What club? Uh clone of the clona club. Okay, gotcha. Yeah. Uh so that's where I really learn to navigate in an unorthodox way. Hence why I put creative hustler is always in my thing, is I'm not the film school guy that's gonna go by the book and be the nerd and kiss everybody's ass. I'm gonna make stories that I know people want to fucking watch. And I'm gonna figure out how to get them done, and I'm gonna make sure that I take care of the talent and the crew as genuine as I want. I never push, I think why my films connect with the audiences so well is that we never push the narrative from our side. We want to hear, if I do an interview with you, I want to hear you, I want to hear Twister. I don't want to have my director be like, I want to push this narrative, right? Like, which was really big with Ice Guardians. Because at that time you had everybody pushing the narrative that enforcers are big, dumb goons that don't belong in the game. I was like, there's no fucking way I'm letting any kind of director like that get in here at this, right? I want to honor these guys, and our director loved that angle too. He's like, no, these guys are. And I can tell you, having interviewed hundreds of hockey players for all the different docs I've done, one of the best athletes to work with. They almost always show up early, 15 to 20 minutes early. They give you everything, they're honest. You deal with a lot of other sports, they fucking don't show up or they show up an hour later, they want a rider, or they want this. Like I bring that up because it's I'm getting frustrated right now where there seems to be this attack on hockey culture, right? And I'm like, I think if you want to attack a sport, you should look at some of the other ones where there's like literally shootouts in the dressing room and people bringing guns and stuff. I don't really think sure there's some hockey culture that needs to be worked on, but compared to other sports, they're fucking fantastic to work with. I can tell you for a second.

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SPEAKER_05 15:37

Can you let's I want for you to have uh to name off some of your phography. So somebody, somebody who's watching, take it, press pause and get some background on you. And some of those, so when they come back to this, they'll have an understanding of where you're coming from. Name off some of those.

SPEAKER_07 15:54

So if you started my early films that helped cannabis legalization in Canada, I did The Union, the Business Behind Getting High. We followed that with the Culture High. We did The Good Sun, The Life of Ray Boom Boom Mancini. Then we did Ice Guardians. I worked on I and Bruce Lee. Recently, I did Danny Treyu's doc. I did Michael Bisbing's doc. I did Phil Heath's Doc. Those were all released with Universal Studios, the bodybuilding one. I'm currently in production. We just released Jordan Tutu's doc, which is why Toots and everybody came into the studio here. Is that I like underdog stories. I like telling stories that go beyond the sport and beyond whatever realm they're in and touch people or affect, give you an emotion. Like you don't have to be a hockey fan to appreciate Jordan's tutu story. You will watch it, you will be transit, you'll be like, wow, what an incredible story. You don't have to be a hockey fan or a fight fan to enjoy Ice Guardians. But I got many others that are in the Rolodex, but those are the ones that are probably I'm most well known for. Throw a couple more out for you. Throw okay. Well, there's Bizbing. I did Michael Bisbing, it's just called that's that's which is fantastic. And Biz was great to work with. Inmate number one, the rise of Danny Trey was Danny Trey. It was breaking limits. I loved yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:58

That one right there was one of my favorites. And he did you have a chance to meet with him?

SPEAKER_07 17:02

Oh, I I mean I'm sure you did, but like a one-on-one basis. Oh, we hung out all the time because Danny, like again, when you're with a doc, that's what's cool. Is when you do those docks or any doc, it's not like a scripted movie where actors then are it's much more of a paid gig, right? Because they come in and do their two or three days, they read their lines and they're out. When you're doing somebody's doc, you go on the journey with them, right? Like what a two eight amazing journey. Good Lord, was facing gas chamber sentences in San Quentin, turned his life around, became sober, 55 years sober, and everything good. He pins it back. So I tell you the first story. So Danny was facing gas chamber sentences in prison because he was involved in a prison riot. I know the story well. And he threw the rock, hit the prison guard, and he took it as a sign that when he was in trial, that prison guard could have been vindictive and could have been an asshole, and just said that big bad motherfucker threw the rock and that was it. He would have been. But the guy came in, he had a heart and said, I don't know which one of the three individuals threw it. And he did know, by the way. He did. Oh, yeah. But he he did not want to, because he knew Danny wasn't aiming at him. It was a it was a prison riot. There was a fight. He threw it at a guy coming at him, and the guy ducked. And then he said it was like, No, the rock went hit the prison guard. Prison guard got it hurt real bad, tremendous traumatic brain injury. So that's gas chamberable offenses, right? He was already in there. Danny took that as a sign. He got sober in prison, then dedicated his life to helping others. And he said, The Lord, if you give me a chance, I will always help others. I'll get sober and give back. And that's how he got into movies. When he got out of prison, he became a drug counselor and he was just about to get into bed. And he had a sponsor call him saying, Danny, there's all this cocaine. I think I'm gonna slip. Can you come down here? And Danny said, Normally you get the call from a sponsor who's like, I fucked up last night, it slipped. I go back to square one. So he's like, I had an opportunity to prevent him. So it was midnight. I zipped down there, I had no idea, and it ended up being the movie set of Runaway Train with um Julia Roberts brother, um, Eric Roberts. And he walked in, and all these guys are doing push-ups and they're trying to look hard, and they're like, And he's like, Fuck, what the fuck's going on here? And they're and they're like, Does this make me look tough? He's like, dude, you'd be my bitch in prison, sure, whatever. Right. And then he found out they were all trying to be inmates, right? For because that runaway train's about a prison thing, right? And then right away they saw Danny's iconic face, right? For those that don't know Danny Trey, Google him, he's the big bad Gecano in every movie. He's doing four hundred big tattoo prison tattoo that was finished at four different tattoos. We go into that because they kept moving him in prison. So the tattoo artist's like, don't let anybody touch it. And they'd have to go get him in Folsom, Quentin, San Quentin, uh, Chino. He went to all the major prisons tattoos.

SPEAKER_05 19:34

And looked exactly like who?

SPEAKER_07 19:36

It looks like uh, you know, Selma Hayek. You watch it like because when they worked on Desperado, Selma Hayek was like, I knew you before I knew you. She explains this thing. She's like, and then Danny pulls open, he's like, Look, I tattooed you on my chest before we even met, right? And not her, obviously, but uh so yeah. Danny then got out and went on the prison when he was on the set of runaway train. Right away, someone from the set's like, Hey, like, could you be an extra? And he's like, An extra what? And they're like, in a movie. He's like, What do you need me to do? They're like, Could you play a convict? And he's like, Oh, yeah, little do you know, these baby blues fit me just perfect, right? So he said, No problem. And then two or three days on set, the director comes up right away, and Danny always makes jokes. It's in the doc. You've seen it. He's going like this. Danny's going to the guy that he got to know and said, He's like, What gang sign is that? I'm not familiar with that. He's like, It's not a gang sign he's doing. But he's like, Okay, okay, because he he's framing the scene. He didn't get out of prison until he was in like his late 30s, early 40s. He'd spent the only thing he knew was prison life, right? So he was like, and then the director was like, You be in my movie. And then he kissed them on each side of his cheek and he said, Again, you be my friend. And Danny joked to the guy, he goes, Listen, this 300 bucks a day they're offering me is fantastic. But if old men are gonna be kissing me all the time, I'm gonna need a little bit more money.

SPEAKER_06 20:50

I want to know how you get sober in prison. You don't. That's he I he's his story.

SPEAKER_05 20:56

Well, so wouldn't he you no, no, when I say you don't, you you adopt other things because he controlled the prisons that he was in. So he had adopted a taking one drug, that being one drug, yeah, and adopted another where he was controlling he controlled, he talked about like everyone knew when that's why they kept moving him in prisons.

SPEAKER_07 21:14

He became known, like so. I guess a big thing in prison is if your cell is really clean, right? And he had all the other inmates, his was spotless, right? Like he was known. I mean, people made attempts on his life, like he talks about in the dock, he had a guy make a murder attempt on him, but he put books in there, magazines, so that he it's like a knife vest, right? They couldn't, he got cracked ribs and everything because I hit him so hard, but couldn't puncture the oh yeah. Danny came from hard. Like all the guys that he got out from were like double murder, triple murder, like he grew up in the hardest of hard. That's why when he first came on set, they would be like, he jokes, and they're like, Man, where did you study? Like a Juilliard and stuff. He's like San Quentin Performing Arts. He's a riot, like he's so now like his for years he had to break down, he had to go the other way. He's like, Look, when you're on the other side of a race riot, you You want to look so fucking intimidating that when they happen, the guy's like, No, I'm gonna go to that guy. He looks like he'd be an easier target. So he's like, you train yourself. And same with when he did armed robberies at 12, which he started doing them. He's like, the key to an armed robbery is you want to be so intimidating, there's no actual violence. You want to just go in there and be like, give me all the fucking money. And then they're like, Yeah, yeah, take everything, right? Like, you don't, you don't want there to be, you want to get the cash and get out. So he had to untrain himself to go the other way. Cause like he came on and just when he looks, when he's just calm, he looks everyone's like, Danny, everybody's scared of you. And he's like, Why? Like, I'm like, it's over. And they're like, Yeah, but you look scary. So he, when you meet him now, he like pops up extra to try to be like, Hey, Tony, hey, like to try to but he burns himself out because he's 75 years old. So like he can do it for two to three hours. And he's like, Guys, get me out of here, I'm gonna fall asleep, right? Like, he can't stay awake anymore. But you can see how passionate I get like working with these people, like getting to tell the stories I do it, it is it is a dream come true to go to be able to tell Ice Guardians and have a podcast name after it. And I was just showing the boys, we'll show afterwards. If you Google right now top 10 hockey documentaries ever made, AI will get you a list. Ice Guardian sits number fourth. If you go to the hockey writers, it's number two, you go to IMDb, it's number eight. No kidding. Who's number one, by the way? Red Army is normally the one that wins everyone. Really? Yeah, Red Army is up there, and then uh King's Ransom is up there. Um, it bounces on different lists. It's not a documentary, that's a 30-minute show. It's it's it they they it's the the ones that they know and they put in, but it's always the ones like Red Army. I give it's a great story because it talks more about how the Russians first were allowed to get into the league and stuff. It is a great. If you haven't seen you, have you seen Red Army? No, it's it's good. It's so I don't mind, but even to be on that list is a I you know former strip club owner that got into movie making to made one of the, you know, and then to be able to tell, I was a diehard Oilers fan, so be able to then tell Grant Fuhrer's story, tell Jordan. The great ones, yeah. The great one. I'm gonna show you guys some clips of that.

SPEAKER_04 23:53

Okay, tell me about uh the inspiration behind Ice Guardians and the decision to try that out.

SPEAKER_07 24:00

Well, when going to school with parks and fridge, right? And then I was looking also for some of you saw tell everybody who fridge is. Oh, yeah, you're right. Good, good job. It looked this is like what a producer do when we're doing interviews. They're like, no, no, say the 94 Stanley Cup. Don't just say, so yeah, uh Scott Parker and then Todd Fedoric, who played for the Philadelphia Flyers, tough, great dude, yeah, big uh big, big jolly giant, but killer on the ice. So it was them going through that. And actually, I wrote my college paper on like the misconceptions of fighting, and I just saw what was going on in the media and the attack against the players, and I was like, man, I seen a different side of these guys that I want to share. So that was the inspiration when I went to the director and he loved it too. And he's like, Man, that's so fascinating. I'm not even a hockey fan, but I love that dynamic.

SPEAKER_04 24:43

Did you not get to pick the director?

SPEAKER_07 24:45

Oh, yeah. I always get picked. But but you want to find someone else that's passionate too.

SPEAKER_04 24:48

Right, but you you the way you say it, it's like, oh, I had to sit it to this director.

SPEAKER_05 24:53

Yeah, did you have a director in mind? Oh, yeah, yeah. It was the same guy that I that's what always getting.

SPEAKER_07 24:57

Yeah, yeah. So it was the same director that had done the union, the business behind getting high and the culture. I we built our careers together. Bret Harvey, amazing, one of my one of my best buds.

SPEAKER_05 25:05

But so that's where you're bouncing it off. You know, you had choice of directors, but you had a guy that was going to do it, and he had to agree with you for you to go forward.

SPEAKER_07 25:12

And then I wanted to see what he was gonna bring to it. Because, like, as much as as passionate as I was about it, he's the one that made it timeless. That even if you watch it now, people are like, Oh, I just watched it last week, I didn't realize how good that was, right? Like, I still think the ending with Chaser is gonna be the best ending out of all. Like, I don't know how you I was telling Will so that when you watch it, there's some nuances that people don't know with the cameras here. So when we asked Chaser if you could do it all over again, would you? And memory gets emotional, right? And he's trying, he doesn't realize because it was before every interview, like even here now, you guys have three cameras, but back then most docs were one camera, but we had two. So we had it here. So Chaser's getting emotional, and he's not expecting to get that emotional. So he turns to try to get away from it, but that's where the other camera is. So we cut to that angle, right? And then you see the tears, and then he goes like this, right? And he tilts back, and then that's when the tears start coming down, and then he comes back and he composes himself, and then he says, with a little more fire, right? Like goosebumps, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:09

And so have you talked to a bunch of guys that wish they would have everybody wishes they would have done it.

SPEAKER_07 26:18

Every that's the only trick. I I have great reputation in the NHL. The only time I get frustrated or people get frustrated is I walk in and they're kind of like, bro, where was I for Ice Guardians? And I was like, I was a young filmmaker, I couldn't call, I couldn't get like I can only leave.

SPEAKER_04 26:32

I don't even know how uh did Kelly call me and ask me to do it, and I was immediately yes, yes, because I you know that's I think I say at every podcast that you know, without those guys, you know, Tony and Chaser and the myriad of other guys that I played with that that did that job, uh there is no me. And I was like, yeah, I am all in on that.

SPEAKER_07 27:00

No, well, that's so that's a key. So I I'd gotten a hold of it. Was actually Kelly's cousin worked with me. I was working at Shaw Cable trying to make trying to make my day job to be making films, not a hobby, right? That was the hardest part is learning how to make it a business and not a hobby. And one of the girls I worked with was cousins with Kelly. And she's like, Oh, you might not know who my cousin is, but like his name's Kelly Chase. When it came to tough guys, I was like the dork when it came to I'm like, oh, I would know him over like first-round draft picks. I'm like, I know exactly who Kelly Chase is, played for the blades, like like I go when they're like, Oh, she's like, Oh shit, you do know my cousin. And she's like, Well, I'll connect you. And then Kelly, like, I would just sell my heart out and the passion. And Kelly's a passion guy, right? So we connected. He's like, This kid is gonna do it right, right? He doesn't know how he's gonna get the financing and stuff yet, but I can tell. And then he said, Look, when you get the financing and stuff, I will get everybody to interview because you're finally asking the right questions.

SPEAKER_04 27:54

He was just setting me up to steal the name.

SPEAKER_07 27:56

Yeah, yeah. That's how it worked. He got little did you know, crafty man, but then yeah, he was the one because we were at the Gretzky fantasy camp in Vegas, and he got you, Chelios, Talk it. Like that's when he just came up to the boat. Your dad, we interviewed your dad when he was still around. Like, we got every he just said, and that's when I saw, like, goes back to that lesson you try to raise your kids, like, treat people right, and you will see it come back. Like Kelly and I, I never tried to be like, This is my project. I'm like, I want to go on this journey with you. And then Kelly opened the doors, and he, Wendell Clark, Joey Kosher, you like the doors opened because of him.

SPEAKER_06 28:31

Right.

SPEAKER_07 28:31

So the guys I missed is only because I couldn't get their contact. And that's what I it bugs me because I would have loved to have done Stu Grimson. I would have loved to have interviewed Twister. I there could be an Ice Guardians, too. Oh, I know it's what the problem is is the key guy to make it as powerful as the first one is Brett. And he is uh an artist that I am trying to convince. He gets offered five or six projects a week, and I don't know. Who are we talking about? The director. Oh, okay. Same guy, dear friend, but he's like he he's very picky, but he wants because the thing with Brett is when he takes on your project, that's all he does for two years. Good or bad. He doesn't make like he doesn't make a ton of mud. Like we pay him industry rates, I pay him as good as I can, right? But that's all he does. He will not, he will not listen to another pitch. Like when he's invested in your story, that's all he does for two years. He crazy hours and he So that's what so he's really good at what he does, but he's stupid. I won't say I love, but he's he is he's his own worst enemy. Where you're right, he could be booked, he could be booked on I could book him on 10 different movies. Everybody right now, when they look at all the docs, they always want, they're like, I want this Brad Harvey guy, I want the guy that did Ice Guardians. I'm like, and I'm always sighing. I'm like, well, I'll try and I'll I'll get them conversations with him and I'll get it. And like he's just he's got a young daughter now, and he's like, I don't only want to do something I really want to do. And I'm like, I get that, but at some point you need to make a paycheck. I don't know. I don't run his like right. I I I love him to death. He's a dear friend. We both went to each other's weddings, and I I but he is very picky, but he wants to do, and I don't know what he wants to do right now. He says he doesn't want to do another sports doc, he doesn't want to do another bio doc. He wants to do a true crime, and I'm like, okay, well, when you find what you want to do, I'll produce it. But I don't know what he what he wants to do right now.

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SPEAKER_07 32:47

Yes, tutu, the Jordan Tutu story. Um incredible journey going on this with Tutu. Obviously, I'd never been up to the Arctic. For those that don't know who Jordan Tutu is, he's the first Inuit player to ever play in the NHL, first Inuit player to ever play for Team Canada. And if you understood where he came from, like Rankin Inlet Nunavut, they don't even have paved roads, right? Like you use hand-me-down gear your entire career until he was discovered in the native provincials in Alberta. He came to the south, as they call it, when you come from the Arctic, to come and play. And when him and his brother Terrence came on the scene, nobody had seen 14 and 15-year-old wrecking balls like those two. I think Jordan might have said, like, they literally would cancel games at that level because they're like, we haven't prepared for hitting. Like our 14-year-old kids are not ready for these men that wrestle with polar bears and wolverines. They would call it the 2-2 flu because they come in and wreck real. That's not that's no, they were scared of serious injuries because the way that him and his brother played, they played through you. They're like, No, no, I'm not gonna just hit to make a play and get a stat for my coach. Like Jordan's like, if you have the puck, I'm gonna fucking run you over, right? And I if you get hurt, sucks to be you, right? Like, so teams literally forfeit it. They're like, We're not, we're not playing. Like, our kids are not built for this kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_05 34:03

That is unbelievable. You hear that in passing. Ah, you know, we can't the tutu flu. But now when you bring it to reality, parents are saying, we do not want our children part of this parcel because it's undeliverable, they're too young.

SPEAKER_07 34:16

Yes, they're too well, and that's because different, like when you guys grew up, you learned hitting from the beginning. Like during Tutu's generation, I believe it was like you didn't introduce hitting to your 12. So, like a lot of kids were just learning. You went to hitting camps, they do it in none of it, like from day one. He's out there with his brothers, they're like, Keep up or you get run over, kid.

SPEAKER_04 34:33

Like it was like left home at 13 to go play junior. Yeah, it's pretty incredible.

SPEAKER_07 34:37

Well, I was telling Holy, so when he brought his skates into Spruce Grove to go play, they thought it was a prank because his skates were hand-me-down skates that were like rusted and bent. And the guy's like, Oh, these haven't seen the rink in like 10 years. Yeah, and he's like, What are you talking about? He's like, I played on those last week. And the guy's like, There's no way you fucking skated on these. He's like, Yeah, I skated on these three days ago. That's funny.

SPEAKER_04 35:00

And then hand-me-down moccasins with blades on them.

unknown 35:03

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 35:04

But he had that raw physic, and then obviously, as the film talks about a lot of anger, a lot of stuff that he the ice was the perfect place for him to unleash it, right? Here they embraced it. So he was like, perfect. I can take all that dysfunction and trauma at home, and I can put it into this enemy wearing the other shirt. Right. Right. But then again, two-two story transcends hockey is just an incredible individual that had to deal with his brother taking his own life, his own drinking, and then getting sober and now passing on that gift of helping others with suicide prevention and mental health awareness. It's it's in it's incredible. Um, you know, going out on the land, I'm sure he talked about the beluga hunts and everything. And we can talk super cool and tough while we're here. But when we went up there to film, so when I met Jordan, he was very tough to to get him to agree because, you know, and this is where your previous work led into this like Ice Guardians he'd watched and loved. He's like, Yes, that's you encapsuated. Like, I wasn't a pure heavyweight enforcer, but I brought those same elements to my team, right? So he loved Ice Guardians. So my team and I were in the running, but he wanted us to come to Kelowna. And the director, Michael Hamilton, great guy. We did uh Donovan Bailey's documentary together, and we did Bisbing's documentary, and he'd done some other hockey ones. So we came out there and and Michael had actually written this page of like what it must have felt for Jordan going from the two different worlds, going from you're playing in the NHL to when you'd fly back to rank and then you'd descend in the clouds, and you knew that you were coming back to the dysfunctional household and everything that you have, right? Of like, and that is what Jordan said. That's what made me want to do it. But then Jordan, when we met him, he said, Look, you guys seem great. You definitely seem like my crew feels like my teammates are like the locker room, dressing room. I he's like, But here's the only caveat is if you want to tell my story, you have to truly understand it. So you have to come to the Arctic. And I don't mean just once. We had to come for all. We had to come for the bluga hunt, we had to go for the big fish, we had to go for the caribou hunt and the Terrence Dutu memorial. So we came for all of them up there. When we went to go on the land, you come off the planes there, and there's no nice little like tunnel that you get to go into the nice air-conditioned or heated. As soon as we came off, I remember me and the director, it's fucking freezing. And we're like, dude, I can barely make it to the airport. Like, we're gonna go on the land for three days. Like, we were honestly, like, we're like, Adam, I know we committed, but like, man, I don't know how I'm gonna do it. Like, how are we gonna go? Like, we slept in a tent. I'll give Will pictures that we can cut for this when they're but we literally went three hours into the middle of nowhere up by Baker Lake in none of it.

SPEAKER_04 37:32

Did you bring your own clothes or did they supply them? Yeah, George.

SPEAKER_07 37:36

Because there's no way you could have no ever figured out. You would you would you would die. You'd no, his sister made us all custom jackets. I still have the jacket, it's beautiful. No kidding. Yeah, it's got fox fur and it's got scorchy on it, and then on the back, it's got his brother's memorial symbol, Terrence Tutu, and then tutu at the heart to remember. I wanted to honor his brother and everything, too, because they're welcoming us into the community. So we all had custom jackets, and then Canada Goose sponsored us too. So we got like touches and everything. Jordan was like, hey, look, you're gonna need our jackets because they're more durable, all the extra pockets and stuff that are made. Those are good if you're going skiing, but if you're out on the land, you need something that won't rip and get durable.

SPEAKER_05 38:12

So many people in your cruise.

SPEAKER_07 38:13

There were seven of us. So we all stayed in a seven-man tent.

SPEAKER_05 38:16

And you all got seven jackets made for you.

SPEAKER_07 38:19

Seven custom jackets, yeah, for the beautiful. I live in Edmonton now, so I still get good use out of the jacket there, right? Because it's for nine months a year. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:26

For use of the summertime in Edmonton.

SPEAKER_07 38:31

Yeah, yeah. So we had we had snow uh end of May there. That's where I'm living now. So it uh yeah. So we we go out and then we, you know, three hours in the middle, nowhere. And again, that where we're sleeping for three days comes in a big bag. And I'm I'm not a I'm not a camper, like no, so like I'm panicking, like me and the crew are like, hey, like we we better we better set this tent up and like where we're sleeping, it's gonna get nighttime soon. They're like, uh, sun doesn't go down to about midnight here, so we got lots of time. And thank god, like his family took such good. They had that tent up and like like this and blocking the wind, and and it was actually super peaceful for the three days we're out there because no phone, no connection.

SPEAKER_05 39:06

You're trying to say it wouldn't be super peaceful otherwise.

SPEAKER_07 39:09

I just I thought we were scared, like honestly, we're scared. Like it was scary to go like, but that's part of the adventure when you're filmmaking. You don't when you're doing unscripted documentary work, you can't you don't know how things are gonna turn out. You even an interview, you know, I was telling Holly, like you sit down with someone and you you think on paper their resume looks awesome, but then they can be very stale and boring or don't want to share, they're not honest, right? And then the other way you can get someone that you don't know, like Brian McGrattan was not on the initial interview list for Ice Guard, yeah. Because I just we had lots of guys, and but I had so many people like, dude, you gotta interview Big Earn, you gotta interview Big Earn. So I was like, hey, fuck, well, let's get this Big Earn guy. And then he's like four minutes, five minutes, he's like all throughout the film, he's great. We followed him down in San Diego, but you don't when you go into it. That's what I love about docs, is you you have an overall arc that you want to capture, but you're living truthfully in these circumstances so that it moves and it pivots and you learn things and discover things as you go through. So these things come to life in the ways you're not expecting.

SPEAKER_05 40:07

You said that there was my lost my train of thought. There was a a group. Never mind, I'll come back to it. I had seven of seven of us on the land? Yes, seventy are on the land. Now, during this whole time, we have seven tents. Um all seven of us in one tent.

SPEAKER_07 40:27

Oh, yeah, in a big seven-man tent. We also manufacturing the food. Uh, so we packed some stuff, but we actually had to catch fish for the fishing derby that we ate. No, you had to catch fish from the fishing derby. From the fucking, we had to drill holes in the lake, and we had to actually fucking get we brought snacks and food and stuff to eat two soups and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 40:46

But oh, so they made it comfortable for you, yes, very comfortable for you because otherwise, but it wasn't glamping.

SPEAKER_07 40:53

No, it certainly wasn't glamping. Uh, several of our team members didn't shit for three days because they're like, um, because they didn't want to shit on the land. Oh, stop it. Yeah, I did. I was like, it was actually super nice. They had an outhouse, but like a lot of guys, like, no way, I'm not because there was no doors. You just went. Jordan's parents have a cabinet.

SPEAKER_05 41:10

What kind of team members do you have that can't poop up? City folk. They can't.

SPEAKER_06 41:15

What does your poop look like after eating a whale? Pretty solid, actually, in a lot of I shit.

SPEAKER_07 41:24

I was like, I'm not holding it for two or three days. I fucking shit.

SPEAKER_06 41:27

Who's he who's who we think about holding it for two or three days?

SPEAKER_07 41:32

I was like, you're died. Yeah, women did that. So we tease our director about that to this day. But yeah, we went out and then Jordan shot two caribou when we were there. We went to the city.

SPEAKER_05 41:41

Oh no, kidding, did you get that on film?

SPEAKER_07 41:42

Oh, yeah, have it all. The gun, the whole thing. We again, certain things we kept out.

SPEAKER_05 41:46

I know, I know, of course, because it's not being it's not being served with the with a pre uh a preference being around, you know, it's not it's not being told. The story before, yeah. You can't say, well, this is substance uh substance hunting.

SPEAKER_04 42:01

Hunting for a purpose, right? No, I get it.

SPEAKER_05 42:03

Then somebody, some ass clown. No, no, you use that in respectfully way. An ass clown. You know, a guy dressed in a clown outfit, yeah, and then he's he likes asses. That kind of guy takes takes a picture of that particular piece and posts it and then writes a heading on it. It's like taking a joke out of context, yes, exactly. You can look racist all day long, just if you can take any one of the jokes that are said, and that's that's really sad because part of that story is about to get the flavor and the understanding. The more I talk to Jordan, I mean, you might what we opened up when we did this the this particular podcast. He goes, You know what it's like to be up north? Um, no, are you kidding? North County, that's a different kind of hunting altogether. I was not getting when he starts telling the story and then get to see some of the film that and pictures, it was like, now that's you really get a flavor and a taste, unfortunately, because you know, and people are gonna take it the wrong way or not take the time to know where to understand it. Correct.

SPEAKER_04 43:11

Yeah, Guy Fieri isn't going up there and doing diners, drive-ins, and dives.

SPEAKER_07 43:15

No, there's no, well, we had a night, so like there's kind of cool. There's only well, there's only one restaurant in Rankin, and it's in the hotel, and it closes like it's open random hours, like maybe. So one night we were filming in the rink, and then it was like eight o'clock, and the guys are like, Hey, we're starving. Because sometimes when you get the shot, you can't say, Hey guys, stop play. Like, this is during the two Terrence Dutu Memorial Tournament. So we couldn't stop. And I went, I'm like, dude, there is nothing open. The grocery store is closed, so the team's starving. The only thing open was the rink food. So I got everybody hot dogs and pizza. That's all they're there's nothing like ranking.

SPEAKER_05 43:46

People are actually living there, so I'll put it 3,000.

SPEAKER_07 43:49

So in and that includes the city of Rankin and like surrounding communities. There is like a tiny college there, there is a medical facility, but anything serious, you get flown out right away, right? Jordan actually in Memorial tournament took a stick in the eye and he got blood and he couldn't see and he thought he was losing his eye and they air ambulanced him to Winnipeg like right away.

SPEAKER_05 44:08

Jeez, yeah, so only 3,000 people. So with with a if there's a big event, you could almost double those people.

SPEAKER_07 44:14

They're all like that's that's the part when the when the Terrence Dutu memorial tournament goes on, the whole town is there to watch. Like he brought such an exciting, they're all in the arena. That's what I'm getting to.

SPEAKER_05 44:24

So that 3,000 could realistically be 4,000 in a second. Yeah, yeah. And why is there anybody you gotta think? Why would a restaurant be open? Again, going back to the substance hunting and going back to the front true flavor. Yeah, there is no grocery store. You know, there's no mobile mite around the around the corner.

SPEAKER_07 44:42

No, you know, there's well and the few that they have, like so their grocery store, it is the most expensive. A case of water was the most expensive. Guess when we bought it during the day, guess what a case of water cost with 24 bottles of water? I've never paid like it was a hundred dollars. It was ninety ninety-six bucks for because everything has to get flown in, right? And if it's frozen, the barges can't come in, so everything gets flown.

SPEAKER_05 45:05

Was there not like lakes or something nearby? No, it's all frozen in the winter. Like it's like the you dug a hole to fish. Yeah, I'm just saying, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 45:13

Yeah, it's it's I'm just throwing that out there.

SPEAKER_05 45:15

Logic makes no sense.

SPEAKER_07 45:17

It's a different, like, and you see, like just the everything, like even mums, you see them riding, they call them all Hondas, but like on they'll be riding four-wheelers.

SPEAKER_05 45:25

Oh, yeah, I thought you said moms, you call them Hondas. Oh, you that was disrespectful of you.

SPEAKER_07 45:29

No, no, they call all they call them machine or Hondas because everybody there has either like a snowmobile or a four-wheeler. Yeah, absolutely. And in you'd see mums with their young enough child on their back riding, no helmets, they ride up to the because there's no they don't have paved roads, right? So you're just driving like a lot of them just have snowmobiles and hondas and drive, like all the vehicles get shipped in. It's it's a different, like having been up there four or five times. The one thing I can say that is cool about it, and where because living is hard, the family, the community is very tight. You kind of mentioned there, like everyone knows everyone. By the third time we came in, you would have thought we were like honorary members of the community. Everybody's like the film guys, right? They're coming in, like they knew us.

SPEAKER_05 46:09

And when did somebody have a great nickname? There had to be one great nickname out there, throw it out.

SPEAKER_07 46:15

So not the nickname for Hammy, because Hammy's uh a big, he's a Jamaican-born guy. He came when he came up for the memorial tournament. Tutu, Barney, Barney, Tutu's dad, told everybody he was Brashir's cousin and he was a ringer. And come on, and Hammy could barely, he barely played pee-wee hockey, right? And he was like, guys, I'm gonna get and he thought, oh, this is fun. I'm gonna support Jordan. I'm gonna be the director, I'm gonna go on the ice. He watched the tier B like go, and he's he looked his fucking thing of terror. I'd only seen him that terrified when we were going to land. He's like, Adam, I'm gonna die out there. I'm like, dude, this is the tier B. You're in the tier A. He's like, and everybody said you're Bashir's cousin. He's like, dude, I can barely fucking skate. I'm gonna get killed. Did he have the bad breath too? I don't know about the tier breath. Brash had bad breath. Oh my god. I mean, a shit sandwich doesn't smell. Well, and he'd pull you in tight when you'd fight too. His whole technique was different. He'd be in tight with the close lefties.

SPEAKER_05 47:09

If I haven't told you, Donald, I somebody should have your breath could you could knock a buzzer off a freaking wagon from a dead person wagon from 100 yards.

SPEAKER_07 47:20

Oh, that's awesome. I didn't know that. No, yeah. So we'd we'd Hammy uh he muscled through and they were so good to him out there, like every shift. I was just I'd see every time Hammy'd go to be come on the bench, he'd be like, No, no, you you go ahead, you guys. I'd be laughing at him from the stands, be like, You're gonna die, you're gonna die, Jamaican. But he actually went out there and like braver than me because I wouldn't go out there, I'd get fucking killed too. Charity game. No, but they played no no, but up north, they don't know how to play charity game. That's why actually Terrence or Jordan stopped doing the Terrence Two because he's like it was getting so like people were trying to fight him and stuff. He's like, dude, hold on, what he's like, I did this for a living, like I'm not fucking doing this. Like, stop like, dude, this is to raise money for like, but yeah, because you get other rural communities with snowmobile and trek in, and like it was a big thing for them to win the Terrence. It was like they don't have a lot going on, so that was like the event every year. And then to come, if you were an Arctic team that came down, they fucking wanted to win. The the gold medal game was like entertaining. A lot of these guys had played, you know, WHL and like they were good players. Like, they're when they were younger, some of them went off to college. So, like, they took that shit fucking seriously. So when Hammy's like and they and Tu 2's team was so good, they kept going, get out there, Hammy, get out there. He's like, Guys, I am not gonna be on if this fucking gets a goal scored against me. No chance. I'm a cheerleader on the bench for this team.

SPEAKER_04 48:37

I love that. At least he knows his role.

SPEAKER_07 48:39

Yeah, that's what I and of course, as your as his friend, I was teasing him the whole time because he looked terrified when I could get in a small enough arena, I could get his eye contact. He'd look over and he's like, dude, I'm gonna die. And I was like, Good luck, good luck.

SPEAKER_06 48:53

Yeah, uh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 48:54

And he was, as you picture, like bent knee, could hardly skate, and like you would notice right away. Everybody's like, is that really Brashir's cousin?

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SPEAKER_05 50:43

What did you personally learn? Like there's got to be collectively a thought process or something that you took out of that that you go, wow, I could change my life with just that single thought in my head. Meaning you see how that community lives, you see how it operates, you see that there's a there's a level of tight and family, and then you can see that you can relate. There isn't, but they operate in the same field. Is there something you can take out that you know for a fact that you could live by and on a on a consistent basis can use?

SPEAKER_07 51:19

Well, some that's a great question, Twister. One of the things I noticed is that you know, a sense of community up there, what they have. It would be nice if in the bigger cities we did that a little bit more where you knew who your neighbor was and stuff. Like that is I know we get detached or we're in a busy, like that part is romantic of the Arctic, and you see why a lot of people talk fondly about that. But I think the biggest thing I'd learned throughout the whole thing, going back and forth, is really Jordan's story, like when you want to put a number on it, is one in a like million. What do you say? Like that you come from, you know, where you're using leftover gear to come down and you get noticed and you say how many, how many people?

SPEAKER_05 51:56

How many people zero one percent of the world play the national hockey?

SPEAKER_07 52:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:00

Now multiply that by another hundred. Well, just think about it.

SPEAKER_04 52:04

How many, how many, uh, what's the population up up?

SPEAKER_07 52:07

Oh, none of it in total is like, I think it's under a hundred thousand people up there.

SPEAKER_05 52:12

Well, that's three percent. So they're they're taking ownership of three percent, yeah. Oh, do you how many did you say a hundred? Yeah, so three percent. Yeah, so they take ownership of three percent of the entire population. Okay. Canada. Oh yeah, yeah, of Canada. Yeah, now take them multiply top zero the the point zero zero zero one percent of the world who ever play National Hockey League.

SPEAKER_04 52:34

Now this is turning into a math thing.

SPEAKER_05 52:36

What I'm gonna say is it's a very small punt. If you were to look in your pants later, it might be smaller than that.

SPEAKER_06 52:44

Yeah, maybe a little smaller. I don't know. I'd I'm a grower.

SPEAKER_04 52:51

And that's what makes it an unbelievable story is that it's it's the odds of playing on used equipment your whole life and and never playing organized hockey until you're 13 years old.

SPEAKER_05 53:06

Yeah, but living for the NHL. Grew up playing hockey, never having the opportunity to play organized.

SPEAKER_07 53:13

Yeah, they played outside. Like, like you look at now, and I'm sure you guys have talked about this lots, but and my daughter went through like the academies and everything, and you're spending 50,000, 60,000, 70,000 a year for high school for someone to get the best training. And you had Jordan and his brother that played on the pond using used gear, made it there without like no NHL coaches, showing them how to shoot, how to skate, video analysis of your thing. Like they went out on pure passion and made it work. And then and then being totally alien, they come to for like where they're coming down to the south, as they call it, right? And they don't know how to relate when people are like, hey, like, let's go to the grocery store. And Jordan's like, Oh, we're not going hunting this weekend, or we're like, like they it is foreign to come and have the success.

SPEAKER_04 53:55

Like he's made friends that he met when he was four years old, Rocco. Yeah, and Rocco's going to Shadowk, you know, one of the you know prep kind of high schools in the country. And you know, there's Jordan playing on a pond up in the room.

SPEAKER_07 54:10

And his brothers use skates, right? Making it like it is, it is, and then how good of a person Jordan is. Like that to follow on that story with Rocco, they met him at their wedding anniversary or honeymoon. They were in on the beach talking and they were inspired. And Rocco's parents had never didn't even know what hockey was, right? We're inspired by Jordan's story, and now he's gone on to now, he's a Mary Shattock's been drafted, he's got a good chance to go far in his career. You're kind of like, it made me realize, and I've seen it with Jordan a million times when he goes to these communities, how he is held, and he's constantly that's all he does now is speak in remote communities to try to help people not experience what him and Terrence went through. And you see the impact, and you don't realize you said it earlier, Twister, that tap on the shin pads that so that you don't know what other people are going through. And sometimes not doing that for someone can be a big thing. And Jordan does it for everyone because he knows his brother was right there where Terrence seemed fine a week before, right?

SPEAKER_04 55:05

Yeah, I've got the t-shirt and it just says it right on the back be nice. Yeah, you never know what another person is going through.

SPEAKER_05 55:14

Yeah, so true. Be human, yeah. And uh that of anything, when I asked you that question, I was gonna be followed up with it. If anything, even after listening to it. Yeah, because you never really don't understand how easy it is to be human, and even in Jordan's recognition of the uh impact that he had on his community, he didn't realize that till years after that impact had been made. And in that, he was able to Jordan was able to also metabolize and make apologies to the people that he surrounded himself that both endeared him and captured him as a hero. At the same time, he was coming back thinking he was being a hero, thinking that he was a champion, but then realizing years later, they're going, there's no champion. No, I was no hero. No, you know what I'm going to be? I'm gonna capture this moment and become one. Yes, I'm gonna become one.

SPEAKER_04 56:15

I'm going to become one champion. He didn't understand that.

SPEAKER_05 56:18

Isn't that value?

SPEAKER_07 56:19

Isn't the value tremendous? Well, that's the shock in the doc. You have the opening. Jordan walks. But basically, no one's gonna watch it now that they can't. Yeah, that's like they've already known. Well, it is for all the people, it's it's yeah. So in the US, if you're a US listener, it's on all the available platform like Amazon Prime, Google, iTunes, all those ones. And then in Canada, it's on the same and on Super Channel. Highly recommend, even if you're not a like a hockey guy or a sports guy, it is an incredible story. But Jordan in the opening says that, like, right, you walk in, there's this big billboard of him in Team Canada, and he walks in and he does the opening thing. It's shock value because also he talks more like we do here. He goes, Why the fuck am I on there? Right. It's like, and you're like, Oh, he's getting real, right? Like, and it was like, and that was something we fought for in the edit, is a lot of times people were like, Man, there's a lot of swearing. And it was like, but that's real. What people are getting sick of in hockey, and I think why this podcast is tight, taking off spitting chiclets is the whole vanilla conversation with gross a lot of the time. It's just this like so fake and boring.

SPEAKER_05 57:17

It's like that's a great word for it, Haas. It's gross, it is, it is gross because it doesn't represent us. And don't get me wrong, we're not cursing out every word, every third word. We're not using you know, some of the words that are you know could be a little more aggressive or not so aggressive in Australia. Yeah, but what I'm trying to say is that it's it's important to capture the reality because the reality is in the vernacular, absolutely. If I'm looking like this, you're a sucker. Um you can see with my eyes, I don't even have to say it. Yeah, that's the importance. You if you keep blanking it out, you can speak, you gotta be able to read my lips because my eyes are telling you right now. Yeah, you know, so that's where the value of that comes.

SPEAKER_07 57:58

Oh, and that's and that's great storytelling is being honest. That's something my team and I always strive to do is it's let's tell the honest story. And we work with the talent. What can happen often, you hear it in with docs, is the director will be pushing their narrative of your story rather than letting you store it. The director, okay. That's why you work so closely with yours. Yes, and I work very closely with the talent because I want their story to come through. You don't many direct, not my directors, they're all really cool, and we always want to work with, but you hear I I fired one recently. I was doing um What was his name? I'm kidding. It was a she. She was a tyrant, uh, she was awful. But she was trying to put her hatred of men into iconic Canadian music stars story. She was driving her narrative. When we did the first rough cut, everybody's like, What is this hot mess?

SPEAKER_04 58:44

This is like if I was a woman, I'd hate men too.

SPEAKER_07 58:46

Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's pretty easy to do.

SPEAKER_04 58:49

You don't have to watch a document, pretty stupid, right?

SPEAKER_05 58:52

You don't have to watch a document to get there. Yeah, but if you're being paid to do a job, your narrative is not the one.

SPEAKER_07 58:59

Your political view, especially when you're doing a bio doc. It's their real story. You try to push narratives that isn't their story. That's that's even grosser, right?

SPEAKER_05 59:09

When you're completely that's actually disrespectful and borders on yes, on character assessment. Well, that's why that's why the last characteristic I only had to do it once.

SPEAKER_07 59:17

It was a director I hadn't worked with. I brought her in. So I don't know. Do you know the musician Biff Naked? Because you're originally so we just did her bio doc, too. So that's how to that's kind of cool. Oh, she and she's a sweetheart. How did you get there, by the way, Biff? From Space Balls?

SPEAKER_06 59:31

Well, from the song Spaceman and like I love myself today. Like, how do you get there though?

SPEAKER_07 59:36

Well, I I'd worked with another producer that had worked, he used to be a musician and he used to open up for her. And then he's like, dude, do you know Biff's story? And obviously, I knew her music, but I didn't know her story. That she was born in India. She was given up her mom got pregnant when she was like 14, gave her up for adoption, born in New Delhi, India as an expat, was picked up by American um missionaries, then moved to Kansas briefly, but then grew up in Canada, in Winnipeg, and came out of like no thing. Yeah. But that's why she became an artist. She wanted to get the fuck out of there. But we we then hired a big Canadian director. She'd done a big I was excited because one of the docs she had done early in her career as a co-director.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:19

Don't make her look bad. Just keep it.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:21

Just skip all that. And it inspired me. So we brought her. So that's how Biff, then I met her manager, who Peter has been with her from day one. We call him the gangster, great dude, but no boy. Like he had to go in the trenches because Peter Russell? No, Peter Carroll. Russell Peters? Yeah. No, but Peter, when Biff was coming in, Biff was the first musician in Canada that openly had tattoos as a female, talked about sexuality. Like no one in Canada at that time, they were very vanilla, right? So she was the punk rock, fuck you, flicking the bird, wearing like so I didn't think she was that in Canada, really. Oh huge. In Canada, she's like, she was before you know Avard Levine or before Steph uh Gwen Stefani. Like she was the first to and she did it herself. Like no one would pick her up because they were like literally when her deal with Sony 550 is supposed to go through under Celindy On's label. It's all on the dock. The day that they were supposed to be popping champagne and celebrating down in California with Sony in the head office, they canceled the deal. After six months of working on the album, the cover they're set to release in three months. They said, nope, we just cannot see a tattooed punk rocker on the same label as Celindion. So we're shelving the record. But she wasn't Celine must have been in support of. Oh, she would have been, but it was a record label. It's the suits always, right? Not Celine was the problem. The suits were up there, kind of like the league, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:37

That's uh so if they're if not to cut you off. No, no, please do. We're speaking again about another, we did not hear it in the beginning. No, I didn't mention big naked stocks. If anybody wants to look your filmography up, yeah, where are they going to catch them all?

SPEAKER_07 1:01:51

So the easiest way is just go to Amazon Prime, they're like all available on there. Amazon Score G. If you look up, yeah, if you look up Score G Productions, my name is Wikipedia into Google? Yeah, though.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:01

Maybe that'll work.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:02

That'll help too. That'll be easier.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:04

Go into Google because everybody, Google me googly.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:06

Yeah, yeah. Or just Amazon, everyone's got an Amazon account. So look in Amazon, you'll find it. How do you spell Score G? We spell it upon how my name's pronounced, like score, big G, Score G productions, and you'll see all those are all important things, you know. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:19

As a director would be told and telling you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That'll get done better.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:23

Yeah, we can't thank you enough for coming on again. Oh, my pleasure. Telling stories. Uh you're a big friend of the show, and hopefully you come back again and I will have a couple more docs under your I will come out any and every time.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:37

It's an honor, truly, to be able to sit here, Holly, with you and Twister at Watch Vegas growing up. It's my pleasure. And obviously, our our uh our brother in arms who couldn't be here today. Kelly Chase is like keep him in your prayers. Yeah, he is uh please everybody. He's a dear friend. And uh if you liked Ice Guardians a film, it wouldn't have happened without him. I love him to death. I love his son, and I wish him nothing but the best. Now we'll come here anytime that you guys have to.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:59

Adam Scorgie.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:01

Thanks for having me, boy.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:02

S-C-O-R-E-G. From Ice Guardians.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:05

But my company's spelled Scorgie.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:08

I like the way you think, yeah. Tony Twist, Adam Scorgey, Bret Hall, signing off. Until next time. What do you think? We're stupid.