How World ID Is Redefining Internet Identity

Mason Nystrom sits down with three leaders from Tools for Humanity and World ID to explore how proof of human is redefining identity on the internet in the age of AI agents.

We are moving from a majority of humans with a few bots to a majority of bots with a few humans. That is not necessarily bad. But it makes knowing who the real humans are more important than ever. World ID is the identity layer built to answer that question at scale, privately, and without collecting your data.

Key Topics:

- Why proof of human is the foundational layer the agentic internet needs: from public discourse manipulation and catfishing to deepfake wire fraud, the cost of not knowing who is human is rising fast

- World ID as a credential stack: Orb verification as the gold standard, Selfie Check as the entry point, and school, work, and national IDs layered on top, all privacy-preserving and held on your own device

- Agent delegation and human continuity: how World ID lets your agent book flights, make purchases, and act on your behalf while keeping a verified human accountable for every action via Agent Kit

- Why blocking all bots is the wrong answer: how World ID enables good agents to access platforms frictionlessly while bad actors are penalized, and why this unlocks the next wave of consumer agentic use cases

- World ID vs Face ID: why uniqueness is the missing piece, how one person with 1,000 phones can fool Face ID but not World ID, and why anonymous verification protects users and partners alike

01:00 Tiago Sada on Proof of Human in the Agent Age
05:40 Scaling to 40 Million Verified Humans
07:07 What Tiago Is Most Excited About Next
08:50 Andy Wang on World as the Identity Layer
10:00 Good Bots vs Bad Bots: Why Blocking All Traffic Is Wrong
13:02 Restaurant Reservations, Scalpers, and Proof of Human
17:00 Tawanda Mahere on What Partners Are Looking For
22:08 The Consumer Value of World ID
23:15 Agent Kit and Human-in-the-Loop Commerce
25:21 World ID vs Face ID: Why Uniqueness Changes Everything
29:00 Orb On Demand and How to Get Verified Today


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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Deep fakes or impersonation are easily being spun up by AI, particularly as capabilities of agents or malicious attackers.

SPEAKER_02 0:09

Bots and agents are amazing. They're gonna increasingly play important roles in our lives. The problem is with so much of this going on, it's easy to drown out the humans.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

The simple calculus of just saying, you know, it's a bot and it's not a bot is no longer enough, right? We can't just block all bots by default. I kind of view world ID as the fundamental layer to actually accelerate uh a more broader adoption of these tools.

SPEAKER_03 0:36

Next up in our world series, we have another amazing guest. We have Tiago, the chief product officer at Tools for Humanity, the creator of the world. Tiago, welcome. Thank you so much for having me. Given where your purview sits uh at Tools for Humanity, maybe just provide the steel man for why proof of personhood is so important in this age of AI agents.

SPEAKER_02 0:58

Absolutely. And look, the thing about this new age that we're going to is that very soon, if not already, pretty much everything on the internet is going to be either agents and bots doing things and AI generated content, right? We're going to go for from a majority of people with a few bots to now a majority of bots with a few people. And that is actually not necessarily a bad thing. I think bots and agents are amazing. They're gonna increasingly play important roles in our lives. Um, and they're gonna they're gonna help us unlock a lot of things that were impossible before. Now, the problem is with so much of this going on, it's easy to drown out the humans, right? And um and to disrupt things that matter in our day-to-day lives, where trusting that you're interacting with a human does matter. So when you think about things like public discourse on a social network, right, you want to know that the opinions and the conversations that you're having are actually real and not someone trying to manipulate you, right? Or something as basic as a dating app or concert tickets, um, all the way from that to very serious um things like just deepfakes if you're if you're doing large wire transactions, right? And so I think across the board, like anything that we're using the internet, it is surprising how important it is to know that there is indeed a real and unique person on the other end of that line.

SPEAKER_03 2:20

Right. I I think you know, you point out something like deepfakes, which is something that's very intuitive. Like we all can understand that you know, we want to know whether content is authentic. Uh, you've had a lot of partnerships recently announced. Maybe talk about one or two of those and how they're leveraging world and and why that matters.

SPEAKER_02 2:37

The simplest way an app can use world is by giving you something like a blue check mark on your account that says this this account belongs to a real and unique human. An example of that is our Tinder integration. And so Tinder is using that to make sure that when you're browsing profiles and you see someone that maybe is a little bit too good to be true, you're not afraid to reach out because if you see that uh human batch, you know, well, that's actually a real person. So I don't have to worry about getting catfished. And now any apps uh can use that human batch, but you can go beyond that. So talking about deepfakes, Zoom just recently, uh today actually announced their new integration with World ID. And so it's it's this really cool idea where taking this human credential, which is almost like a human passport that lives on your phone, you can not only prove that you're a person, but that you're in fact who you're saying that you are on this Zoom call. And so there's all of these different other kinds of technologies that you can build on top of proof of human, like deep fake protection, that are gonna be surprising, but also I think incredibly important as we continue to forage ahead in this new era.

SPEAKER_03 3:44

Yeah. You mentioned that there's a variety of things that can be tied to your world ID. Um, how do you think about expanding the value that is tied to your, you know, verified humanity, whether it's around credentials or around uh, you know, other elements that we tend to think of as human?

SPEAKER_02 4:03

Yeah. So world ID at its core is an identity protocol, right? And that identity can hold different credentials. The credential that we care the most about is the human credential, right? Like this person has been verified as a real human, or this account has been verified as a real human. Because once you have that foundational layer, any other credential that you add on top of that is way more valuable, right? And so we have, it's almost like a T. We have different levels of human credentials that give you different layer levels of verification or certainty that that account is a human. The gold standard is orb verification, and many use cases, and especially as AI continues to advance, will require that. But now with the new world ID, we're also supporting lower levels of verification. Um, specifically, we just launched something called selfie check that gives you a light assurance that that account is a human. And we think that is a great way to get people into the world ID ecosystem and over time graduate them to the higher levels of verification. Now, when you have these human credentials, then on top of that, you can start adding things like school IDs or work IDs or national IDs that run on the same rails that are privacy preserving, uh, where users hold their own personal data securely on their device using our novel cryptography. But you can start doing other things, right? You can start doing proof of age or proof of nationality, or at some point, even things beyond that. And so uh it's a long roadmap where the foundation and the thing that's very different about world ID is everything is underpinned by this proof of human, and that's what enables everything else.

SPEAKER_03 5:40

You've already onboarded nearly 20 million humans to the network. How do you think about scaling that and reaching hundreds of millions of people around the world?

SPEAKER_02 5:50

So we've actually onboarded actually almost 40 million people to the network, and half of those, roughly 18 million, have the highest level of verification, which is the orb verification. Now, the other 20 million, they have lower levels of verification and they can still do things with their world ID. Not everything that you would if you were org verified. And so how we think about scaling the network is very similar to that. We think about first expanding availability of orbs. A lot of that is just deploying more of them. And so we've been working on new facilities, including a new facility here in the United States to make a lot of orbs. Um, thinking about new operational models. And so all of our new orbs are now deployed in what we call self-serve, which means we don't have to get a lease, we don't have to train employees to be next to an orb. It's kind of like an ATM. You just put it at a coffee shop or at a mall, people walk up to it and they use it. Um and so I think just getting really meaningful orb coverage is matters. But then also on the other side of things, opening up the top of fun, right? So whether it is with lighter verification signals or other use cases, continuing to get people on boarded to world ID that start their journey with something else, and then over time, and then over time graduate to to be our verified.

SPEAKER_03 7:07

Maybe the last question, as we look towards the next, you know, one to two years, what are you most excited about from a product perspective and and growth perspective for world?

SPEAKER_02 7:17

I think that the the magic of this moment is that for the last six years, I mean, when we started this company, called it Tools for Humanity, right? The the mission is in the name. We're building the tools that we believe humans will need for the age of AI. And at the beginning, we had to try to convince people that AI was going to happen. And then we had to, a few years later, they started saying, okay, maybe this will happen, but it's not gonna matter. And so all the time we've had to be convincing people about the problem. And we're now on an age, in particular since December, with all the mum models that have come out, where no company and no consumer questions the problem anymore. We all feel it on our day-to-day lives. Any company, any CEO that you talk to, they may publicly say that they're getting a little bit affected. Everyone behind this is freaking out about how we're going to solve, how we're going to protect the internet without doing incredibly creepy things to be able to continue doing the things that we like. Right. And so the problem is now here today. And that's the thing that I'm the most excited about. That now we get to talk about the solutions. We get to roll out integrations like the ones that we did today, rather than having to convince people that this problem was going to come, which is what we had to do for the last five years.

SPEAKER_03 8:32

Right. Yeah. The the problem is uh acutely known to everyone today in the world of agents. Uh, and it's incredibly ambitious and exciting to see someone trying to uh you know recreate a way for uh the internet to be built by humans for humans. Thank you, Tiago, for joining us. Thank you so much for the time. Our next guest in our world series is someone who is well poised to talk about the inner workings of Tools for Humanity and the developer perspective. Please welcome Andy, head of network at Tools for Humanity. Andy, thanks for joining. Thanks so much for having me today. I think a good place to start would be how world is changing really the architecture of the internet. And in a world where we have agents that are making more transactions, world kind of inserts itself to become this identity layer that can be an interface between humans and agents. How do you think about world creating this kind of new layer of the internet? And what does that mean as we think about the future of transactions with humans and agents?

SPEAKER_01 9:33

Yeah, definitely. It's a great question. And so this is something that's obviously been developing very quickly in, you know, the last few years. And honestly, it feels like every month it's accelerating. You know, we see a new model release, the capabilities get much better, and everything we we thought we knew needs to completely get thrown out of the window. And so uh I think it's starting to become pretty clear that, you know, we're going to have these agentic economic actors that are pretty self-sovereign and independent. Um, and what we're starting to realize is that, you know, the simple calculus of just saying, you know, it's a bot and it's not a bot is no longer enough, right? We can't just block all bots by default. Um, but you know, we want to enable agents. We we want them to, you know, act on our behalf. You know, a lot of people have their own personal clause now, and I think that's you know going to be something that's becoming much more common. Uh, and so now sites are starting to grapple with this idea of like, okay, uh, well, we want to enable some bots because you know they're driving new business. And a lot of these, you know, I think dev tools are you know the current vertical where they're seeing this growth the most, where these like coding agents are actually the ones deciding and discovering products. But uh, you know, if we allow these all, well, you know, we're gonna start having an inflow of you know all these bad actors and bad bots as well. And so, you know, it starts actually becoming a question of you know, how can we verify, you know, which of the bots are actually good economic actors and and you know, ones that uh are going to be productive. And and world ID plays a fundamental role there because uh, you know, it's a very simple way to determine, okay, there's one human or there is a human behind these bots. All of these bots actually connect to the same human. And if you know, I start misbehaving on your platform, well, uh, you can restrict my access while somebody else who's you know using their agents in a in a productive purpose is is completely unfettered. So um, yeah, definitely something interesting.

SPEAKER_03 11:13

Help us frame out that a bit more in terms of like what an agent transaction or or action workflow would look like and you know where you want that verification from a human, whether it's a good transaction or or preventing a bad bot transaction.

SPEAKER_01 11:27

I think I'll use two examples. I think the first one I'm really focusing on developer products because you know I spent a lot of time working there, but also I think that's where the growth is mostly. You know, these agentic tools are you know primarily finding product market fit right now and coding. Uh, and so you know, one of the examples I like to talk about is EXA. And so, you know, for for a company like that, you know, they're starting to find uh you know new discovery and new business from agents, you know, discovering the tools when I'm you know trying to code something. I ask my uh agent, hey, like, you know, help me figure out how to do search or help me, you know, find some information. And um, in those situations, EXA wants to win the business. And so they're trying to keep the flow as frictionless as possible because these agents want to finish the task. But you know, if they're requiring users to set up an account or provision API keys, well, you know, that's gonna cause a pause or a break in the workflow. And the agent might just choose another solution that can, you know, give it a free plan instead. Right. It actually can't complete the task in that instance. Exactly, exactly. And uh, you know, free plans obviously didn't work pre-agents, and they're definitely not gonna work post-agents, you know, when you have way more actors. And so proof of human and human delegation there is actually really important because it allows them to offer these frictionless experiences, but you know, still protecting themselves from abuse.

SPEAKER_03 12:35

So that's uh in a good transaction. And then there's obviously transactions that bots do today, like sniping, where we actually don't want that to occur. Or uh you might want to, if you do want kind of that that type of transaction, you want to verify that there's actually a human interacting with that bot. Um, maybe talk about like why that's important and you know how that can change maybe how your average person might might use an agent in in commerce.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

Definitely, definitely. So I think I think a good example of this is um, you know, a lot of workflows we use today, I don't think we realize are like kind of tedious. Um so let's say example of, you know, for a consumer use case, uh getting a reservation, right? You know, you and your friend want to go to like a really hot restaurant, uh, and now you have to go on Resi or, you know, some other restaurant booking platform and sit there and wait and try to book, and there's these bots like sniping these away. Uh and so Resi, you know, is just trying to block, you know, people from acting. And and a bad agent in this case would essentially be just you know taking up all the reservate reservations and trying to sell them on some secondary market as a scalper. Now, or world idea is useful, is we can essentially say, look, you know, uh it's it's actually not that easy to figure out how to just like use an economic disincentive, like you pay $10 or you pay $11 or $50 to like book this reservation. Because like for you, reselling this, it might be worth it for that. But for me, who's just trying to go to this restaurant, I'm not gonna pay $10 to get a reservation at this place. And so proof of human is actually really useful there because um we can essentially put everybody on the same playing field. And, you know, if you want a reservation, you can get one. And if you don't, um, and you start misbehaving, well, then the restaurant uh or the reservation platform can penalize you so real human actors can go and do it. And so a little bit of a long-winded way to say essentially, you know, you wouldn't have to go use these apps anymore or like scroll to it. You could just ask your agent, it's delegated with the human on your side, you get a seamless experience, and on the website side, uh, they're still protected from abuse.

SPEAKER_03 14:25

Right. This this uh point of delegation is really interesting because as agents allow humans to kind of scale our brains, there's very much a world in which you might have your agent doing stuff while you sleep, but it's gonna need that kind of delegated properties. How does worlds you know and and identity play into scaling agents uh from that delegatory perspective?

SPEAKER_01 14:47

Of course. I I think it's a good question. And I think what we're gonna start to notice, and I we're we're starting to see, you know, the initial takeoffs of you know these personal agents. I think it's mostly developers right now that are like running claws, but I think everybody is soon gonna have one. And we saw OpenClaw was like this huge moment where people really started to click, you know, what these uh agentic actors could be. Uh, and I think their use cases are gonna be quite limited if most websites just you know block that type of traffic. And so World ID actually helps enable this quite a bit because um otherwise, you know, I as a site owner or someone offering a restaurant service or a reservation platform wouldn't be comfortable letting this traffic in. But World ID gives, you know, a high integrity signal that there's a real human behind it, and I'm able to uh you know build reputation scores and you know a lot of different uh trust and safety features on top. Uh, and so really I I kind of view world ID and in delegation with agents as the fundamental layer to actually accelerate uh a more broader adoption of these tools.

SPEAKER_03 15:42

And as you think about accelerating that broader adoption, you know, from the developer perspective, how do you think about really growing the TAM, uh, the addressable market and the usage of worlds and world ID?

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Yeah, it's a it's a great question. And uh at least for us, I mean, we are pretty agnostic in terms of like the standards that are used. And so what we really want to see is this space just grow as quickly as possible. And I think um it's very clear model capabilities are already reaching that. Uh, and I think it's it's almost just like, you know, where are the places that you can use your agents reliably? And I think those two things are are gonna reach uh a point where they really meet. Uh, and we're gonna have this explosion of, you know, consumer agentic use cases uh in the next year. And I think um the TAM naturally will grow by itself, but you know, world ID will play a critical role in, you know, getting more platforms to support uh agentic access. And uh I think that's gonna be critical. These things definitely comp how. What I think you can see, uh expect to see is you know a lot more innovation happening in this agent space. I think you saw from LyftOff today we have some great partners in Okta and Vercell, and you know, we're doing some early explorations with Shopify. Um, and I think as the space matures, as you know, agent adoption grows, we see you know some more consumer breakouts. Um, we're gonna expect to see World ID deeply embedded, you know, in all of these solutions. Uh, as a developer, you're gonna find out your agent can access tons of free services across the board. Um, and it's almost gonna be something that is is just ubiquitous. And so uh we're gonna be very deeply integrated uh across the stack.

SPEAKER_03 17:10

Sounds like a really exciting future. Andy, thank you so much. Our next guest is someone who is intimately familiar with the world product. We have Tawanda, director of product at World ID. Tawanda, welcome. Thank you so much for having me. So, Tawanda, we have spoken with a lot of the integrators and partners today. Uh, they've shared what they're doing uh and how they're using World ID. But maybe talk about when you speak with these partners, what resonates about World ID? What are they looking for in the problem set in the solution?

SPEAKER_00 17:43

What's particularly difficult these days is being able to, at large scale, I'm talking hundreds of millions of users, billions of users, be able to prove that someone's a human, but also be able to do it in an anonymous way. And they continue to experience this challenge where deep fakes or impersonation or fake accounts are easily being spun up by AI, particularly as capabilities of agents or malicious attackers just become better and better. So distinguishing between a human and a bot is really, really tough. An example of where this might be really frustrating is if you uh notice that someone has violated the terms of service of a platform and you remove them, you need to be able to know that they aren't just going to spin up a new account and come back um pretending to be a different human. Because World ID provides uh uniqueness, you're able to have confidence that, okay, this is the same person coming back and be able to decide whether or not this is one person representing um one one account, or if there are actually 20 people uh or 20 accounts being represented by one person.

SPEAKER_03 18:53

One quick follow-up is you mentioned the importance of it being anonymous. That's not something we've chatted about, but I think it's kind of critical to World ID's ethos and and product philosophy. Why why does that why does that matter so much, especially to these you know businesses or or even the consumer?

SPEAKER_00 19:08

It's it's fundamentally important to our values that we build a system that answers only the question, are you real? And are you unique? Being able to know that someone's a human does not require this collection of identity information about people. We don't want to know your name, your date of birth, your address, any of that. All we want to know is all we want to enable you to prove is that you are a unique human. And using zero knowledge proofs, we're able to just answer that question simply. Everything else that remains on your device, if it's photos, if your eye or face, those remain on your device. It just gives assurance to everybody that their data remains in their own control. That's something that's deeply important to us. But what we're hearing from partners is that they also don't want to be becoming honeypots or harvesters of anyone's information. And so there's an alignment there about values, and so they get nothing else from the world protocol except that proof that this is a unique human. And we believe that's quite aligned with our values. Now that's a fundamentally different approach than what's being done through many other providers who will just pass on a lot of people's identity information through know your customer or identity verification processes. We really are shifting the paradigm in how the internet at large scale enables you to maintain trust and integrity.

SPEAKER_03 20:32

And so it's clear that a lot of enterprises or businesses find value in this, whether it's they have to take on less counterparty risk, they you know get an actual service of being able to verify that they're interacting with a human, like it complements a lot of their business. But from a user perspective, you know, talk about the the end consumer, the person who's you know verifying their identity, like what are they getting out of it? And how how does that get better as more people join the network?

SPEAKER_00 20:58

It's important to you as a consumer to know that if, for example, on a social media site or on a dating platform, you're interacting with other accounts that actually are representative of other humans, uh real humans on the other side. For example, if you see a photo of someone who you think may be attractive, you want confidence that the person on the other side actually looks like that, that eliminates catfishing or impersonation. Um when you see posts by someone um on a large social media platform that encourage one political view versus the other, if you see that that that's getting a lot of likes or a lot of comments, but you want to have confidence that that's not a small group of people um coordinating what seems like a much larger um sentiment. And so if you have one human controlling ten thousand accounts that all seem to like a video, like a uh photo, or like uh post by someone, you want to be able to make sure that y you have confidence um that that's one person versus that large number of people. World ID enables that because you're able to confirm that you're a single human rather than just a large group of people. And so that's the value that any consumer can access on any of these platforms. It increases the platform integrity, improves the experience, but also allows you as an individual to show up providing people trust. Hey, when you see my account, know that you can trust it. I am a real human on the other side.

SPEAKER_03 22:26

So you're obviously the director of product. And, you know, as we look at kind of this value that identity provides with World ID, the kind of counterside of that coin is the abundance that AI agents are generating around content, uh, you know, both in, you know, malicious content like deepfakes, but also in the abundance to scale humanity in our in our resources. How do you think about, you know, the importance of world ID as it relates to agents today and into the future?

SPEAKER_00 22:53

Agents are really, really an opportunity to leverage the power of AI to help humans. However, there can be instances where you want to have assurance that actions that are being taken by agents are ones that a particular human is accountable for, or you as a human have provided that authorization to an agent to act on your behalf. An example would be if you're trying to get the convenience of sending your agent to book flights for you. If those flights, perhaps from your perspective, should cost less than $1,000, you want to make sure that your agent can get that guidance from you and not be authorized to make any purchases above $1,000. But you can also say when the moment comes and a payment needs to be made, you'll ask it to come back to you and have you sign off as a human in the loop. But how do you know if a human actually was the one who approved that larger purchase? You'd have that human continuity provided by World ID, which answers the question: is there a real human who's authorizing this payment? Or is that, and in addition to that, is this human the same one as the one who's authorized to do that? World ID enables that through Agent Kit. That agent delegation that sends out the agent to put to do this behavior and take this action on behalf of a human, but also provides that human in the loop verification to confirm that that human was the one who signed off on it. I would also add that for merchants, knowing that a purchase was made with the approval of a human being who was in the loop gives you confidence that there's not going to be a chargeback or some decision later on where the human says, I didn't sign off on that, my agent went rogue. You're able to have confidence that in commerce, this was a real human who signed off on this. And so agents and humans can interact way more positively and like productively because of what World ID provides.

SPEAKER_03 24:55

Right. There's a much uh more signal in the types of actions when there's a human behind the action. Um, zooming out, I would love to get your kind of grand vision for uh, in particular from kind of the enterprise side, like how does World ID scale from here? And how do you think about, you know, a world uh with tens or hundreds of millions of people who are verified and how that is impacting the enterprise side of the business?

SPEAKER_00 25:22

We we've heard from so many businesses how it's fundamentally important to them to maintain trust in the human interactions that happen within the workforce environment. Examples of this would be in recruiting, when you want to know that a candidate who's being interviewed for a job is the same person who's going to show up on day one after having been interviewed as the same person who's going to work when you kick off the job with them. It's very difficult to do that in a world where deepfakes can be really, really photorealistic. And world ID through Deep Face enables you to not only during a video call confirm that this is a real human who you're speaking to and a human who it appears to be what you see, but also that that's the same human who's going to show up when you have them right in front of you a few weeks later and you're offering them the job. This is something that's a concern on the recruiting side. But even within a company, um, there are times when the reliability that you want or confidence that you desire to know that someone who's got a laptop, for example, or access to certain files is actually that same human, relies on credentials um like a UbiKey or something that someone holds, uh, or a password that someone can um be able to hack.

SPEAKER_03 26:44

A lot of users might, a lot of listeners might be thinking, well, I have face ID. Why is that not just good enough? That's what would be what would your response be?

SPEAKER_00 26:51

That's a great question. A few things there. Face ID is a product that's on uh only one um platform, iOS, and on Android, the reliability that you have varies depending on which device you're using. Some devices are higher, trust and versus others, but not just the device continuity. You want to actually move to being able to, with a high degree of confidence, know that there's a real human right now. And so Face ID answers the question is this the same human as the same one who used this device before? But World ID goes a step further. Not only do you know that this is the same human um who used this product before, you're able to know that this is a unique human. And what you're then able to distinguish is if it's one person with a thousand phones, each of which will have a face ID verification, that's different from if it's one person who's able to try to get um multiple world IDs because they will not be able to do that. They're able to do the one-to-one match um on one device, but they're not able to do the one-to-end successful match where you're able to know these thousand devices are controlled by one human. That distinguish that distinction is really important because on the side, on the back end, what you see are a thousand devices, but with face ID, you're not able to know that that's all one person. World ID enables you to know that with countless devices, it's the same person. And so that will matter a lot if someone's signing in to a social media platform or any sort of account or spinning up email addresses. And so world ID goes a step further, which is instead of asking someone to hold these um knowledge-based access or um holding a credential, a physical key that proves that they are the rightful owner or something, they're able to confirm that human continuity and say, I'm the same human, the same real human who's verified before. Um the cryptographic signature that comes from the orb uh also it dramatically increases the trust that someone can have in the authenticity of those images.

SPEAKER_03 28:54

Yeah. Tawanda, last question. If someone wants to go get verified as a unique human today, where can they do that?

SPEAKER_00 29:00

We are excited about how we're rolling out orbs all across the United States. In San Francisco, Los Angeles, and New York City, the density of orbs is going to be high and higher for you to be able to just look on a website, uh, find an orb and be able to go and pick it up, uh, or to go and get verified. But we also are announcing orb on demand, which uh teams on our um within World ID, uh within teams within Tools for Humanity have brought out, uh, which allow you to just go to an app, order an orb that will come to you uh and verify you in real time. That's something that really increases the convenience that anyone requires when getting orb verified. So looking forward to seeing more and more people have an easy experience when signing up.

SPEAKER_03 29:43

Amazing, Tuanda. Thank you so much for joining us.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

Thanks so much.