Utah Politics Unfiltered with Christopher Lee

Utah isn’t what it used to be.

In this episode, we sit down with Christopher Lee and expose the political problems growing inside one of America’s most trusted states. From corruption inside the state capital to leadership failures. We discuss the bigger agenda at play and break down what’s really going on. Citizens of Utah are starting to wake up and take action.

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SPEAKER_06 0:00

The following podcast episode was recorded on January eighteenth of twenty twenty-six. All right, we are joined with Christopher Lee. Christopher, how are you, dude? Dude, fantastic. It's good to be here, man. Dude, appreciate you making the time, carving the day out. We uh we got the day off, luckily, right? Yeah. So good.

SPEAKER_03 0:44

ML did one thing for us, right? That's true. Yep. Hey, maybe we can start maybe we can start right there with uh Martin Luther King Jr. How about that?

SPEAKER_06 0:52

Dude, yeah, let's do it. So uh we we've got him to thank, but thanks for making the time, man. I appreciate it. So you've got Navu Legion on Instagram. That's where people can follow you, and I'll of course drop the links in the in the bio description. But also the Navu Legion podcast, walk us through a little bit about where that came from, how it came about, and your thoughts and goals for that.

SPEAKER_03 1:14

Yeah, so I I started that page about a year and a half, two years ago, um, the Navajo Legion page. And kind of my goal was, you know, I was seeing all these things that were happening in my own state here in Utah, you know, and I was like, nobody's really speaking about a lot of these issues that we're seeing. You know, and so I felt like there's a lot of silence from both, you know, the from the LDS leadership on things that to me were it's like, you know, if you read the Book of Mormon, it talks about secret combinations, it talks about it's a it's there's a lot of political things that go on in the Book of Mormon. And I just felt like, you know, I'm seeing these things happening, and but what we're not really getting anything from the leadership that's uh addressing what's really going on. And so I kind of started that page. It caused me to look back into our own history um and to research what our prophets had said, and then I I got really into Ezra Tafenson, started reading all of his stuff, started listening to all of his talks, and man, I really grew a strong testimony of him as a prophet after that.

SPEAKER_06 2:17

For sure. For sure. Yeah, no, I agree. And for those who uh obviously you're a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I am as well. Um, the Mormons, for those who are listening who may not know the entire name of the church, but yeah, we we have and we truly believe that we have modern-day prophets and apostles, one of them being Ezra Taf Benson, like you mentioned. And he was, I think, it could be argued that he was probably one of the most prophetic with speaking about our day and age, you know, retrospectively. You know, he didn't live our day and age, but he talked a lot about it. What uh what things have you found or connections you you've made from his talks?

SPEAKER_03 2:56

Yeah, so he uh there's a lot of themes. If you look back and you read through his talks, one of the one of the things was, you know, so understanding about him is important. So after so after World War II, he was sent on a mission to Europe to kind of restart the church, right? After the war, after everything had been destroyed, kind of rebuild things. And he saw what communism did and how it had destroyed Europe through through the both the war and then later on, how just freedom was really restricted in all the countries that became part of the Soviet Union. And so, you know, he saw people literally starving and after the war and just the horrific things that had happened, and so that really had a big effect on him, I think. And then in the in the 50s, so um we got so Eisenhower, right? He was one of the US generals during the war, and then he ended up becoming president in the 50s. Uh he served for two terms, and during that time, he actually chose Ezra Tafa Benson to be the Secretary of Agriculture. And at this time in the United States, like the we literally produced like a third of the world's like like you know, grain and all and food and things. So we were the US was a big producer of agriculture, like people like right, so maybe it doesn't seem like that's a an important position, but back then it really was. Yeah, yeah, it was a lot bigger than what it is now. And so and so yeah, yeah, Ezra Tath Benson, and what's interesting is when he served as a secretary of agriculture, he was already a um a 12 apostle, he was already ordained as a 12th apostle. So he he got permission from the uh from President McKay to take the position and to serve, and um, and so it's really cool to think that we had um you know a 12 apostle serving in the cabinet of the White House who is a very strong confident of the the US president, how times have changed.

SPEAKER_06 5:07

Yeah, that's for sure, that's true. So, yeah, so you dive into all of that, you start looking into obviously we're both from Utah. Start looking into what's happening politically in Utah, and and what are kind of the main things that you've seen? You started it a couple of years ago, as we talked about off camera, but what have kind of been the main things that you've seen? Because I've got my own opinions and I'm sure we're gonna agree on a lot of you know things. What have you been seeing kind of been the main, you could call them thorns in your side that have pointed out or uh you know stood out to you with what's happening in Utah politically?

SPEAKER_03 5:40

Yeah, good question. So um I would say the main things that have been concerns for me was like I started helping in 2024. I wanted to get more involved. I thought, you know, I need to actually do more myself. We're always looking to at a leader or somebody else to do something for us, right? To where I'm we can just vote Trump in and he's gonna just save the day and fix America. Whoop-dee-doo. And that's not the reality, right? Like, reality is the community you have around you is the most important thing. And it's what you have the most influence over. So I said, okay, let me get let me get involved. So start getting involved. Um, there's a man, the the old mayor of Riverton, his name is Trent Staggs, he was running for Senate. And um, because cause Mitt Romney was now out of the picture. Yes, yep. Right? And so I I wanted to get involved. So I helped on the campaign. Turns out one of my and the way I helped out was turns out one of my my friends from high school, he was actually, he was like the one of the main, he was like the main guy that was running the uh the campaign for Trent. Okay, like campaign manager. Yeah, his name's James Nelson. And so so I knew James, and then he and I got introduced to Trent through him. And so, and I didn't help maybe as much as I definitely wasn't as involved as he was, you know, but I did go out and I went I went to my old uh neighborhood where I grew up. I started knocking doors, talking to people, hey, vote for Trent, right? Um and and then I went to the caucus. And so for any for all the people that don't know in Utah, this is how the the elections work. So you have the Republican and Democrat Party, okay? The reality is Utah's a red state, so if you want to get elected, you got to do it through the Republican Party, right? So Trent, um, so how it works is there's a caucus system. You have delegates. So the delegates, um, let let's just say we have a neighborhood, right? And you have what they do is they take a city and they divide that city up into neighborhoods, and then within that city, there's a certain number of delegates. So and I and I guys, I'm not like the expert totally on this, right? So get a good clear idea. But just giving you an idea, yeah, right. So let's just say Sandy has 15 delegates, okay, or Riverton has 15 delegates, right? Um, each one of those delegates is assigned to go talk to the people in their neighborhood and figure out what they're what they want for s for somebody out of a candidate. Okay. And so, right, and so these delegates, they're a lot more knowledgeable in the system because they're actually talking to, they actually talk to the people running for office. They keep more involved in politics. So they know a lot more than your average person. Your average person, all they know is this person's a Democrat, this person's a Republican.

SPEAKER_06 8:37

Yeah, who's a Republican? So I can check the box, that's it.

SPEAKER_03 8:40

Exactly. They're just there to check a box, right? And so I went to the so how it works, right, is those delegates go to the caucus convention and they vote on the candidates that they want, they want.

SPEAKER_04 8:53

Cool.

SPEAKER_03 8:53

And it in the and that's how the Republican Party works, the GOP in Utah. And so uh what happened was um if you get over, I believe, I don't know the exact percentage, I believe it's 60%. If you get over 60%, if the delegates, if a candidate gets over 60% of the delegates' votes, they're supposed to automatically be the nominee for the election. Right? So Phil Lyman, he got about uh he got over 60%, I think it was like 67% or something like that. Yeah right. So he he was supposed to be the nominee. But they also passed a law a few years ago in Utah called SB 54. And so what that does is if a candidate doesn't get enough votes from the delegates in the caucus, right? So, you know, Spencer Cox only got 30 something like a low percentage, right? Not enough. Yeah, very low. Yeah. Then what he can do is he can go collect signatures to get his name on the ballot to be voted of who should be the nominee, right? Because that's how it works. It goes delegates vote in the caucus, and then it goes to the main election where any Republican voter, right? You don't have to be a delegate. You can just be a registered Republican voter, then you guys then they vote for those people. Yep. You vote for your candidate, right? The Republican nominee. The Republican nominee, right? Yeah. And how it works is if really if you win that election, because Utah's a a Republican state, that's really the election that's important, not the actual election. Yep. Right. So basically what happened was you know, I ended up seeing that, oh, like, so these delegates are people that are really dedicated and involved locally. So they know the actual what's really going on, right? The deeper issues, what people want, and maybe some problems that exist locally or some corruption. Right. So basically, Trent Staggs, he only ended up getting, so I was running Trent Trent Staggs' campaign. He was only getting he I think he only got like 30% of the vote. Right. Um, so he didn't win. And to me, it was like, this was my guy. Like this guy believed everything I did. He believed that the constitution is inspired. He was a grassroots candidate. But but uh John Curtis, he just had more money from all these super PACs, right? And he was running all these ads on TV. I remember seeing it at the gym that I was working at, like people, you know. And I was like, and that's when it really dawned on me of like, oh, at the end of the day, like we we like to think in these that anybody can win and anybody can can run for office and the American dream, right? You can do anything. But I realized that's not how politics works at all. It's all about the money, right? Yeah, John Curtis had enough money, so he won the election. Yep. And the reality is he used to be a Democrat, and then he switched to a Republican. And then if you look at his voting track record, he votes a lot of times like a Democrat, and he doesn't stand for the things that the people of Utah actually want. And this is the guy who's now our senator, and he was living in another state. Like he used to live in like Arizona, and now he's in Utah. So these politicians, that's what they do, is they hop around and they go and they have all this money. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_06 12:30

So for those who are watching, technical difficulties, we're making it happen. So back to where you were.

SPEAKER_03 12:35

Yeah, so we're talking about John Curtis, right? And so what I realize is like a lot uh these politicians, that's what they are, dude. They're they are just they're not the grass, they're not the people that you want in office, right? They're right, and the people that you want in office, they can't get into office because of how the because the system is designed so that they can't. Yep. Right. And so because at the end of the day, the people that really know what's going on in Utah are the people that get involved on a local level, right? Yeah. Like the delegates and just other people that volunteer and go to different events, right? Like those are the people that you really need protecting your state from corrupt politicians getting into office. The problem is with SB 54, what happens is they've made it so these politicians can just pay people to get petitions, and then they can and people will sign anything, right? Yeah, and without really knowing what they're signing, you know. And so that's how so what happened at at the uh caucus in 2024 was like even though Phil Lyman got 67% of the votes, right, he should have been the nominee automatically. But because of SB 54, Governor Cox was able to get enough signatures to get him to the the general voting election for the Republican Party, right? The and so he was able to become the nominee because he won at the at the general election for the Republicans. And then he and then because he became the Republican nominee using SB 54, well, he was just gonna automatically win the election because we're in a Republican state, right? And it came for an election election in November. So that's what ended up happening, and that's when I realized how politics really works. And it got even worse than that because what what ended up happening is it came out later that Spencer Cox they reviewed the signatures, okay? Yeah, and he actually legally, when they reviewed the signatures, they found that there was an you need 30,000 legit signatures from actual registered voters, okay? Yeah. And here's the thing with these petitions you're gonna end up with some people that sign it that you know aren't actual registered voters, and so and sometimes that happens, and and what happened with Spencer Cox was he when they reviewed the signatures, it was less than 30,000. Yeah, didn't hit that. So he didn't actually hit enough. Yeah. But this and this all came out after the election, after he had been re-elect, after he'd been re-elected governor. Yeah. And so what we have right now is a governor who didn't legally receive enough votes to have ever been the nominee for the Republicans, and yet he's still sitting in office, and nothing's gonna be done about it. Nothing at all. Yeah, and so go ahead then. And so that's just when I realized like how bad is our politics here right here in Utah.

SPEAKER_06 15:53

Yeah, it's super corrupt, and I think that's something that I mean, look, most of the listeners of this are probably gonna be from the state of Utah. And most of us know, at least I hope, if you're waking up to the knowledge today, and Christopher just gave a great synopsis of what's happening. You're now your eyes are open to kind of the corruption that we have in our own state. I don't think many people outside of Utah know. Look, we we always look at, you know, if you're picking a corrupt state, right now we've got everything going on in, you know, Minnesota, right? Tim Walls, we all can agree on he's an idiot. Then you look at, you know, Gavin Newsom in California. There's horrible things that he's done as a governor. Not many people think, oh, Utah being a red state, a Republican, most times Republican-run cities, Republican-run states are doing better than you know the blue cities or states. I don't think a lot of people nationally know what type of corruption that we even have in our own backyard here in Utah. I don't think it's very well, well known. So and and I think it's especially to this point, and I would ask you, and what I want to ask is obviously it's not just you at the caucus seeing this go down. It's not just you who's aware of this or awake to this. Did you see other delegates there that were kind of, you know, you know, seeing the same writing on the wall that you were seeing? Were there other people that were kind of talking about this? Or was it just kind of everybody went to their own beat of their drum?

SPEAKER_03 17:21

Yeah. So and I I wasn't actually a delegate, I was just a volunteer for the campaign. Yeah, yeah. But um, but oh yeah, absolutely. Everybody noticed like uh what was going on. Um and so, and I'll give you guys some some names of some people you can follow or who know a lot more than me. Um, so one of those would be Michael Clare. Um, so Michael last name Claire C-L-A-I-R. You can follow him on um on X as I think he's got a YouTube channel where he breaks down, he breaks down every single move of the signatures that Cox got and how and the process that was gone through to expose how that he didn't get enough signatures. Yeah, and so you he's broken it down to every little tiny detail of the situation, how it happened. So if you guys are interested, go watch him. Um there's an and so there's you know, Phil Lyman, of course, you can follow him on um Instagram. Um there's uh Sarah, Sarah D.Montes, you can follow her as well on Instagram. Um so there's a lot of different Natalie Clausen, there's a lot of different people that you can follow that have been noticing what's going on. Yeah. Um and I think something an interesting other part of this whole thing is that you know Lieutenant Governor Henderson, right? Like the the election was oversaw by Spencer Cox's own lieutenant governor.

SPEAKER_05 18:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 18:55

And she would just not cooperate, not release information.

SPEAKER_05 18:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:00

And for me, that was when I 2024 was when I really started waking up. And the other thing was at the caucus, the way Cox talked to all the voters, uh, all the delegates there was like basically what he had said when he got up there was um, I it doesn't matter. I don't care if I don't get enough votes here. I don't need your votes, I'm just gonna get signatures, I'm gonna win anyways. Like he he taught he the way he talked to the delegates and all of us voters was like he didn't care about us. It and he knew that he didn't need to care and that he could just do whatever he wanted because he was gonna pay to get his signatures. He was gonna pay some money so he could get his signatures.

SPEAKER_05 19:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:43

And like he had such disdain for us. It was like, and the other thing is he's been caught lying. Like, if um, you know, they're they're building some smart cities and here in Utah. Yep. Um, I don't know. Do you know much about that?

SPEAKER_06 19:58

Yeah, I mean, we talked about it a little bit on the last episode with Zachary, um, Zachary Faust, just because uh I mean, it hasn't been out there or public knowledge that the smart city that Cox is trying to, you know, get set up is the same as a freedom city. And we dove deep into kind of what a freedom city is. And if you haven't seen that episode, I'd encourage you to pause it and go back to that one because it'll give you good context. But I do know a little bit about this whole smart city that Cox is trying to build and the ideas behind it, but then at the end of the day, how much negative is really behind it? How it's not something that we should, as Utah's, want in our own backyard. But yeah, yeah, I mean, you probably know a little bit more than I do.

SPEAKER_03 20:40

Yeah, so and I I don't know, I don't know like all the details, but the basically the they're trying to build a couple of them here in Utah. And when he was when Spencer Cox was asked about it, um, there's a there's another guy you guys you need to follow on Instagram uh and on YouTube. His name is uh Jason Preston, his username is We Are the People Utah.

SPEAKER_05 21:05

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

So and he actually yeah, Jason Preston, he's awesome. He um he confronted Cox and he asked him about the smart cities, and then Cox just lied about it. He literally lied about it, and there is a video clip of him giving a presentation about smart cities, yep, right? So, so what I saw was a video clip of Jason Preston asking him about the smart cities. Cox gets really upset, puts his hand on Jason's chest, and is like all upset. And then the clip transitions and shows him where he's at this training for some government meeting, um, talking about smart cities. So the dude's been caught lying and it's just at at what point are I asked or P are Utah's gonna wake up?

SPEAKER_06 21:53

Yeah, no, I've got the video pulled up and we can watch it. I think it's crazy. Yeah, I mean, I I have a I have A disdain for Governor Cox. I am not a supporter of him at all. But what I think is crazy is the amount of people that look when we got our ballots back when we were having this election, a lot of people just, yeah, it's in Utah, you see Cox, you see Republican, you check the box, you move on, move forward. And I remember being there being this big campaign of writing in Phil Lyman's name because he truly was, I mean, I don't want to use the word rightful, but he had won the votes needed in order to be the Republican nominee. And yet he basically just got passed on by the wayside. And then, yeah, like you said, this corruption that came out with the signatures. I think it's crazy that A, it all happened in Utah where most of us would agree we feel safe about the communities we live in. Yeah, there's probably a little bit more crime that we're seeing now for various reasons. But for the most part, we feel like Utah is its own safe little, we're protected by the mountains. We talk about that a lot. But there's in our own backyard, it's happening way more often than I think people know or people like to admit. And like you said, there's nothing that's happened from it. It's kind of public knowledge now for people who are aware of it. He didn't get the signatures needed. He shouldn't be on the ballot. He's illegitimate as a governor, but yet he's still in office, right? Nobody's nobody's escorted him out of office. We haven't had uh, you know, an emergency uh election. So it it still is out there that nothing has been done or will be done. So I mean, walk us through uh being on the inside. I'm sure other people, and you've talked to many people that are there any people trying to go after Cox? I know Phil Lyman has his campaign still kind of up and going and is trying to spread the word, but I don't really see too many people, and hey, maybe this is the time that I need to stand up, people trying or actively going after Governor Cox, but maybe you do you know something I don't.

SPEAKER_03 23:58

Yeah, I I I really think Phil's kind of been the main person and some other people I mentioned, like Michael Clare and Sarah DeMontes, Natalie Clausen, um another one as Kish North. If you follow him, his his Instagram is Utah's Patriots. So he's a good one to follow. I I just met him yesterday, and he's an he's awesome. He's been in the fight for a long time. So there are people. Um but the re but the reality is, you know, what I've learned is follow the money and you'll see you'll see what's really going on. Um I mean, I don't know, there's a lot of stuff we could cover about Cox. He uh it back in back in June of 2021, he declared it as Pride Month in Utah, right? So this is a man who says he's an upstanding LDS member, but like when are we gonna call out people like that? I mean, look, if I did something wrong, call out me, right? Like we sh we should be able to just and if Cox was the type of dude that said, Hey, I could I did this wrong, I shouldn't have done this, I'm sorry. If he would actually just address the people and like show that he's approachable, then I think people would might actually gain some respect for him, but he's not. Agreed. I mean, he there's pictures of him toasting with Biden, and he just was like all happy about Biden, but then he was a never Trumper, you know? Yeah, and and during the lockdowns, he was locking people up, and there's a tweet of him saying, I don't care, just put a damn mask on, right? So this is a guy who just falls in line and does what he's told, right? He's just the face to this globalist agenda, and it's happening right here in Utah. And the worst part about it for me is the fact that it's like where's the Ezratath Bensons and in our time? Yeah, right. All of our leaders have been these just like cucked out men that just don't do anything and they just do what they're told and they follow the things. And the another aspect that I wanna I want to let people know about is the is the the corruption with between and man, this is this is really hard to talk about, honestly. And I hate that I have to be the one to do it, but during Cox's campaign, the church came out with uh so Cox's campaign, he campaigned on disagree better. That was his thing. Disagree better, we just need to disagree better, right? Yeah, and so he someone within the church created a toolkit for disagreeing better, and they posted it on the church's website, and so basically they were they were using connections within the church to promote Governor Cox, right? The media like the media in Salt Lake is very corrupt, they only tell you what they want you to hear. The media in Salt Lake City is extremely corrupt, and even the people within the church church media, and I have to I hate to have to say it, I hate to have to be that guy because I'm a I'm a messed up sinner myself, right? Like I'm I've done some vile things that I'm not proud of, but like we have to just call it out.

SPEAKER_06 27:16

Yeah. Yep. No, I agree. And and it it goes back to the principle, and whether you're a member of our faith or you're just a Christian in general, or you don't have any religious beliefs, it's it's often said and often quoted, you know, the gospel of Jesus Christ by itself is pure and it's true and it's uncorrupted. But churches and church in general, it's a machine that moves the gospel and builds it here on earth. But at the end of the day, we've seen it more and more in the limelight now more than ever. Churches and, you know, religions in general are something that is corrupted and has been corrupted for a long, long time. And we're seeing it now with this idea that Judeo-Christianity can exist when those two phrases in itself can't exist in the same room, let alone the same sentence, let alone being hyphenated words that we use together. And so I think it's it's very clear. And I'm I'm with you as well. One thing that, you know, look, I I would agree and and echo what you said about myself or what you said about yourself. But for me, I'm a sinner. I I go to church, I repent daily because I know that at the end of the day, I'm gonna fall short. But Christ and his grace and his atonement falls into place for me and for all of us. But one thing that I've struggled for a long time with is yeah, why isn't church leadership being a little bit more outspoken about the world that we live in? We're always told, you know, to be in the world, but not of the world. But I am in the belief that eventually you can live behind that motto or that mantra if you'd like, but eventually the world is going to come knocking at your door. And now more prevalent than ever with social media, with entertainment, with, you know, anything that can be entered into our home? Now more than ever, we're entering into a time where, yeah, the world's already knocking at your door, if not inside your house, and it's already infiltrated your family and your children if you have children, or your spouse or yourself. So what have you seen going back to Ezra Taft Benson and reviewing his talks and his, you know, um his conversations or his his stances on the world that we live in now? What have you seen versus him versus modern day apostles and prophets in terms of the teaching?

SPEAKER_03 29:43

What have I seen with his message?

SPEAKER_06 29:45

Yeah, like there's there's gotta be, and I asked that poorly, but there's got there's obviously a clear difference in what he spoke primarily about our day and age versus what we're seeing now. Are you seeing similarities? Are you seeing it being talked about right now? Or is it more just Ezra Taft Benson hit it on the head, but we're not really talking about a lot of what he was talking about today?

SPEAKER_03 30:09

Yes, I would say um there is definitely a big difference back then. I think the issue obviously the issues of their time were different, right? So you're gonna hear different things, but you know, it was when Ezra Taft Benson was alive, it was during the Cold War, right? When and people and communism and the threat of communism was a big deal, right? Um, and so people were much more aware of it, and there was a much greater sense of feeling about patriotism in general that existed among the membership. And another thing that's happened is that the change of the church, right? Like the church is now growing much more outside of the United States, and it's gonna keep trending that way. So it's we're much more of a worldwide church. I mean, not that we weren't back then, we certainly were, but now even more so, right? We're growing in other countries, Latin America, Philippines, right? So Yeah. Yeah. And so I think the I think the biggest difference for me is like certain topics that are addressed. Like one of the main themes of the the Book of Mormon is about the Gadion robbers and the secret combination is that destroyed the Nephite Republic.

SPEAKER_05 31:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:23

Right. And so and now you will never hear any of that at conference. Ever. Never. Anything that's even viewed as slightly political is very rarely often addressed.

unknown 31:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:38

Or it's like we're walking on eggshells. Yep. Or there's one speaker who speaks on it, and that's President Oaks, right? With his with his political background. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

Yeah. Yeah. And so I think that's what we're seeing. Like if you look, there's maybe been like three times within the last I saw some statistic or something where it's like there have been like three dimensions of secret combinations in the last like 30 years, right? Interesting. And and so I I think that's the big shift is like the the the worldwide, you know, kind of the the church growing real wide and the the spread. And then um, I think two just different prophets have different um themes and and to their own ministry or things that they they notice. So I do believe from this current generation that we have now, I believe a lot of those people are gonna be the the Benson types, right? Because it's it's a whole thing of good times, good times create what is it, what how does it go? Good times create weak weak men. Men yeah, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times, hard times create good men. And so it's just that kind of cycle, I think, that we're seeing. And and now we're going back to those hard times, and that's gonna create, I think that will create those men that are gonna stand up.

SPEAKER_06 33:03

Yeah, and I think we're seeing that more and more. I mean, you've got a bunch of different people from Utah, even. And I'm not saying Utah has to be the the fix-all, but if we're gonna talk about Utah in general, we're seeing people like uh, you know, Kai Schwemer, right?

SPEAKER_04 33:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 33:17

So you've got Kai who's from Utah. Um, you also have um I'm forgetting Nick Shirley. I was just about to say I know his first name, but I'm for blanking on his last name. Nick Shirley, who's a member of the church who comes from Utah as well. I think we're going to start to see more of these younger generations rise up. And look, as members of the same faith, you and I will both know this gospel principle to be true. But I think it could be it could be true to everybody based off of how you look at it. The the latter days or the days that we get closer to, if you're a Christian believing in the second coming of Jesus Christ, the generations that are closer to that will have to be stronger generations because they're gonna be living in a more fallen world than, you know, Ezra Taf Benson or his time or, you know, our great-great-grandfathers, right? Even though I'm not diminishing the hard times they went through. But if we're getting closer to the end times or closer to the second coming of Jesus Christ, we're gonna have to have stronger people rise up in our generations. And I think we're seeing just that. So I think you hit it on the head. So, and uh I want to kind of pivot but still stay on the same topic. Right now, we're seeing even more so more, you know, we look at what's happening in Minnesota, Minneapolis, specifically with Tim Wallace and what Nick Shirley uncovered with the Somalian fraud. And that could be true in many different states. It's even true in the state of Utah. But you uh you you and I talked a little bit before we we started recording about did you see who's running now for the um U.S. House District for the uh, I want to say it's the first district, the the Somalian gentleman?

SPEAKER_03 34:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 34:59

Yeah, so you you've now got, I'm reading his name so I don't butcher it, but Libin or Liban Mohammed, and he's the son of uh Somalian immigrant parents, and he is now running for Utah's uh first congressional seat, uh which is the northern Utah area. So it's not it's happening in our own backyard. You're probably seeing it just as much as I am. Yeah. So you've got that happening. You also have, and I don't know the exact statistics, and I can look it up, but Utah, there's a lot of Chinese government-owned land in the state of Utah, especially around some of our Air Force bases or military testing grounds. Um, you've got, like you mentioned before with Governor Cox, you've got Governor Cox Smart City that he's trying to implement and all of these other things. We're seeing more LGBTQ plus pride in the state. And I think, and I've said it before uh on other episodes, the more corrupt that Utah gets, the more I think we're gonna see some of those latter day or some of those earlier prophets and apostles that spoke about it. In the coming days, the the men of the church, but just the church in general, we're gonna have to be that beacon of light that holds the United States Constitution up and says, you know, enough is enough. And I know you know a lot about that because you have a couple reels and videos about that. Um, but speak to us about what you read about Ezra Taft Benson and and his view or his stance on you know the the church being the one in the latter days to stand up for the Constitution.

SPEAKER_03 36:34

Yeah, so he um you know, obviously he was very s outspoken in the Constitution, having been a statesman himself and having served with the president and right. Um and so he spoke he did speak a lot about it and how right the there's there's the famous quote from Joseph Smith, and there's different variations of it, right? Yep. B basically it was like there's a a talk that uh Joseph Smith had given at one point concerning the Constitution and the fate of the United States, and you know, several people um were there, but they didn't end up writing down writing it down until later on. So it's like we have different so like we know what he said, like it it's true that he said it, but we just kind of have different variations of it. And so I think what I've heard the most mostly is the one where Ezra Taf Benson says that you know the right, Joseph Smith has said the constitution will hang as if it were by a thread. Yeah. And at that point, that the elders of Israel would stand up and would hold up the Constitution and save it from destruction. Ezra Taf Benson expounded upon that and he said that it would be it would be those people as well as inspired patriots throughout the country and people that love freedom throughout the country. And so I do what I believe is that we do have an important role to play and that we can make a huge difference if we choose to stand for freedom. Right. Because we are at that juncture. Like we're at the last juncture. People, I don't think people really truly understand how bad things can get and are going to get if we don't change course. Right. We think that we think that, oh, communism can't happen here. We think that, oh, you know, war can never happen in the United States, right? We can never have a war on our own soil, right? We're the we're America, we're United States, right? And so we have this complacency, thinking that nothing bad could ever happen to us and that no country would ever try to attack us, or that and what I think is what we're seeing is just the crumbling from within. And as we crumble from within, eventually that's gonna bring those forces from without.

SPEAKER_06 38:57

So yeah, I I I've said it before, and so listeners who have listened to other episodes will remember me saying this. I think what we're seeing in the day and age that we live in right now, we're seeing so many people so far removed from, you know, the ways of the world or just being so naive to it all because we live in such a comfortable environment, right? We're at the point now where we're so involved with social media, we're so addicted to it. We've got pornography that's on the rise and people being addicted to that in the younger generation and you know, just in generations plural. You've got issues where people just, you know, they punch in, they punch out. They don't want to be politically involved, they don't want to look into it because it takes time and it takes effort. And most people too, once they become aware of a situation, they don't really know where to go from from there, right? It's a very problem-driven society with very little solutions. And so people are like, well, I just won't uncover a problem because if I don't know the solution or how to solve it myself, I don't really want to be aware of it. So I think we're seeing that specifically right now, but we're also seeing, you know, we as a country, early 2000s is when we saw obviously the Middle East and the war that was happening there. And we had people that, you know, I didn't know anybody personally that was over there. I know people now that are my friends that are serving in the military, but we've never really had like an active war. You have your great-great-grandfathers who who saw World War I, World War II, lived through the Cold War, the Vietnam War, right? We're not really, we haven't seen any major conflict in our lifetime that's rattled us to the point where we're awake, we're aware of the situation, we're realizing we have to be involved. I think it's gonna happen sooner rather than later, especially what's happening right now. But I just think we're that that whole phrase that you said earlier, weak, you know, hard times, yes, we're experiencing those, but right now we're just seeing a very weak population of people who are just completely fine being complacent, sitting on the back burner and not being aware to any of this, which is what's very well talked about.

SPEAKER_03 41:08

Yep. And I would say we're already in that war. Like the war is already happening, just people haven't realized it. Like the United States is already involved in Ukraine. That's just a proxy war. It's not really the Ukrainians fighting, that's a proxy war. They're fighting here for us.

SPEAKER_06 41:21

And then you also have to find the entire Ukrainian army.

SPEAKER_03 41:24

I mean, yeah, it's exactly yes, we are funding the army, so it's like we're already funding these wars, and then you have Israel, and then now you're gonna have the involvement in Venezuela. So eventually, people, but I don't think people will really wake up until they start seeing the the bloodshed in their own streets. Yeah. You know, and that's the unfortunate reality, is that and that's what's happening is they're trying to create more and more chaos. And this has been something that's been boiling for a long time. Um, I you know, I served my mission on the border if in Texas. Okay. And so I remember I was in Laredo, and I was there during the when the Trump administration, I when I got there, Trump was president. And then a couple weeks later, Biden gate like went into office. Okay. And I lived five minutes from the river. So like we just walked down there, like, you know, like whatever. You could see the people on the other side. I could hear the from my apartment, I could hear the cars on the other side. I I remember the first night I got there, the first thing I remember hearing was the bullets in Nuevo Laredo from the cartel. So, like, and I could hear that from my apartment, right? Because that's how close, that's how close I lived to the border and the the Rio Grande, right? Which is the marker. And I remember seeing people swim across all the time. But, anyways, when when we went from Trump to Biden, it was like night and day difference, dude. I remember one night I we came home and there was like a group of like 10 illegals there that had just crossed, and the border patrol were arresting them. For like that whole week, like almost every single morning, I'd be waking up to the sound of helicopters above my apartment because they were because they were looking for people that had just crossed, right? I knew Border Patrol agents and they would tell me how bad it was getting. And so, and this was all done with an intent and on purpose.

SPEAKER_05 43:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:22

It was intentionally done. The Biden administration intentionally invaded our own country, right? And they and they were funding non-NGOs, not non-governmental organizations. So they're funding these outside organizations to bring all of these people in, right? They go to the Darien Gap down there in Central America. They're given a map. This is where you go, this is how you get here, here's some food, here's some water. And then before they cross over, they have to, you know, usually they have to pay the cartel a certain amount of money. So the cartel literally made hundreds of billions of dollars and got filthy rich off of trafficking people. People across the border. And then there's organizations within the United States that help them go to the next city. And Biden, what he did was he gave orders so that as soon as someone entered the country, they would be given a court, they would be allowed to enter and then given a court date. Show up at this time. Rather than just deporting them and sending them back, right? So if they're asking for asylum, the process under Biden was you, as soon as you cross, we'll allow you in and give you a court date. Just show up to your court date. Well, they're already in the United States. Why are they going to show up? If they if there's a possibility they're not going to be ex allowed to give an asylum. If they're already in, as soon as they're in, they're in. Right?

unknown 44:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:42

And across and across several states, you can get driver's license, you can be here illegally, you can get driver's license, you can get benefits. In California, you can vote. Yeah. Right?

SPEAKER_06 44:52

Yep. And that's what I was just about to hit on is we it was a Republican hoax or a Republican conspiracy that all of these illegal immigrants were going to get the right to vote. And that's why Democratic officials and uh administrations were bringing them here was to allow them to vote. So because excuse me, they're gonna vote Democrat if they're able to get benefits from Democratic officials and leaders, they're of course gonna back those people that can help and support them. But now we're seeing exactly what you brought up. Now I think it's like it's up to 10 states. Uh I think I I saw a statistic this morning actually, 10 states, if I'm not mistaken, that you can vote because they don't do any sort of ID checks. And if they do ID checks, you've got multiple states that you can actually get a driver's license in. And I'm gonna look this up because I am curious because I saw a statistic.

SPEAKER_04 45:44

Um let's see if I can find it.

SPEAKER_06 45:57

This will be important for us to talk about. Um yeah, I mean we saw we saw all of the i in Utah, and I don't know if you knew this, maybe you did. In Utah, for example, illegals aren't eligible to get a driver's license, but they can get what's called a DPC, which is a driving privilege card. And so it's another form of identification, and now you can drive, and then you've got accidents that happened, you know. I'm not sure exactly if they've happened here in Utah, but accidents that have happened in California and in other states where illegals that are coming here and getting driver's license are able to commit traffic violations that end up killing American citizens. So it's this crazy, you know, I'm trying to dichotomy of Republican officials, and this is my personal belief, and I'd love to hear your thoughts, Republicans destabilize foreign countries by either causing regime changes or wars or proxy wars or going after natural resources. They destabilize these countries. And then when there's a Democrat or a left-leaning administration, that's when we see such few regulation of the border that all of these countries that are destabilized, all of their citizens now flock and flee to America. So we're seeing this big cycle of Republicans, they may crack down on the border, but they're over there destabilizing countries. And then when Democrat officials get in, they're now able to let in the masses, as we saw during the Biden administration, to the point now where I think the next war we're going to see, although we're seeing these conflicts in Ukraine and Israel and Iran and Venezuela and potentially here soon, Cuba. Um I think eventually we're gonna see the war is gonna happen in our own backyard and it's gonna be from within, which is exactly what you had said.

SPEAKER_03 47:51

Yep. Yep, absolutely. That's the unfortunate reality. Um, and that's what I saw. You know, I living on the border for for two years. Um it was quite the experience. And and then coming home, you know, it's like so. Utah was one of the first states in 2005 that allowed illegal immigrants to get driver's license. To me, it's kind of insane. It's like, it's like I'm gonna go into a government building to go get a driver's license while I'm in the country illegally, and the first act that I committed in the country was to break the law, right? And those immigrants, they have to pay the cartel, dude. So right to get over, right? And so that's what's crazy. And so I serve my mission, I see all that happening, then I come home to Utah, and then you know what happened? I see, I find that my whole entire state, the demographic, has been completely changed. I mean, we literally now have if you ever go to Harem in Utah, it's all Venezuelans, right? Yeah, or West Valley, like there's certain places, even if I I go to my local Walmart here, right next to my house, I'm hearing Spanish all the time. I see Muslim hijabs, right? And and this is Utah. This used to be like the like the whitest state, like you know what I'm saying? Like one of the whitest states. And now I can't go anywhere without hearing foreign languages being spoken, you know, and and seeing these things. And everyone else in Utah, it's like, oh, it's just like all is well in Zion, nothing's going on, nothing's happening. Yeah. Right? And I know lots of Venezuelans personally, okay. And so I know how much it's changed. If you look up, there's a page called Utah Solanos, and it's got like almost three, like 300,000 followers. So it's like, if they have that many thousand followers, how many do you think Venezuelans are in Utah? I'm telling you, dude, hundreds of thousands. Okay. Yeah. So if you think this is an issue that's not affecting us, oh, it is. It's changing the it's gonna change the entire course of our nation's history. We'll never be the same.

SPEAKER_06 50:09

We won't. And I think we're seeing that, like you said, and you brought up the phrase right from the Book of Mormon in 2 Nephi when it talks about all is well in Zion, right? When in reality, and from that passage, it talks about how the devil is involved, how he's cheating people, how he's here, how he's leading away our souls and the children are our souls of our children. And so I think we're seeing it, especially in Utah, is you know, Governor Cox, God bless that man, for lack of better terms. It Utah is one of the few that's a sanctuary state. And we saw, if you haven't seen it already, um Nick Shirley covered that quite extensively when he was here in Utah to the point where he was asking people on the streets and talking to government officials in Utah's house, is Utah sanctuary state? And it was so mixed, but eventually it was out there and it's still out there. You can look it up. Utah is a sanctuary state, which is why we're seeing, like you said, you go to Walmart and you're no longer the majority by speaking English. You're now the minority because you speak English.

SPEAKER_03 51:14

So it's and I grew up in this state. And and so seeing that was like a shock. It was like I go to the border, I'm there, right, as a missionary. So it's a little bit different perspective, but I'm still seeing all these things going on. And then I come home and then I see how much my change has, my state has been changed. It was like no matter where I and then this past summer, I was living in California. I did I did um door-to-door sales, and California, I that's where I was born. California has been completely changed forever. It's it's majority There's no going back. There's no going back. And in most of the areas, it was majority Muslim and Indian or Mexican. Right. And so I'm like, I have now gotten to the point where I feel like a foreigner in my own country. Yeah. And and to to your point, just to kind of make it full circle, you're talking about how the Republicans, they do all these wars, right? And then and then the the left opens up the borders and allows all these immigrants in. Charlie Kirk said something interesting. He said this about a couple days before his assassination. He said, Jewish donors have been the number one funding mechanism of radical open border, neoliberal, quasi Marxist policies, cultural institutions, and nonprofits. This is a beast created by secular Jews, and now it's coming for Jews, and they're like, what on earth happened? And it's not just the colleges, it's it's the nonprofits, it's the movies. Time for you guys to wake up and draw a line in the sand. So, and if you look at under Biden, the uh sec hi you know who's his secretary secretary of um I believe defense was, or no, of the immigration was his borders are was Majorcus. Yeah, was um yes. Yeah, Alejandro Majorcas. He was the secretary of homeland security. And yeah, guess what? He's a Sephardic Jew, he's a leftist Jew, and these are the people that are pushing this, unfortunately. And it's not just them, it's just it's everyone on the left, obviously. Um they're po pushing for no borders. If you don't have a border, you don't have a country, you no longer so it's like we're we're actively losing the our identity as a nation. And I guess for me, the hardest part was being in Utah. You know, obviously we're very Christian and we believe in loving and serving other people, but I feel like it's been taken so far to the the wrong way that I can't even bring up these topics with most people without them freaking out or without them one, they don't think it's an issue, two um it's like one, yeah, one they don't think is an issue, or two, it doesn't matter to them, right? And yeah, so it's just for me, it's like I feel like I'm watching the my nation being strangleholded and slowly die.

SPEAKER_06 54:12

Yes. Yeah. Well, we talked about it. Nikki Rudd was somebody that we had on the podcast a couple weeks ago. Um, and I'm sure you know who Nikki Rudd is. If you don't, that's okay. He's the gentleman that um he at uh TPUSA's event um Amfest. He was the one that questioned Ben Shapiro about the US. So Nikki Rudd, we had him on, and we talked a lot about just the sovereignty of our government, the sovereignty of our nation and how the world that we live in right now, we don't have sovereignty. And if you don't have a sovereignty as a nation, you no longer exist as a nation. And I think it boils down to not only that, but it boils down to even of a smaller level of the state, right? The state of Utah. If you don't have a sovereignty or sovereignty in general in the state of Utah, you no longer exist as a state. And I think if we go down, you know, a practical stance or a gospel stance, the state of Utah is supposed to be one of the states, like you said, with Joseph Smith and there's a lot of different prophecies, the White Horse prophecy, uh a bunch of other, you know, prophets and apostles that have talked about it. If we're supposed to exist and we're supposed to help the United States to stand by the United States Constitution, to stand up in the latter days against all forms of evil before the second coming of Christ, how are we going to do that when, like you said, we're now the minority? And this isn't an issue of race, and this isn't an issue of, you know, one being better than the other. This is just an issue of if we can't even control what is happening in our own backyard, if we can't even control our leaders and how they're corrupt, how they're being bought and paid for. Governor Cox, like we've talked about before, he has taken so much money and he truly is the puppet of all puppets because he has taken money from so many different people and opened up the state of Utah. Some might say for good reasons, but for plenty of various different reasons that I would argue are are negative. And so we're just we're we're losing that the sanctity of our state. And I think it's happening a lot more. And it's like you said, it's it all ties back to for whatever reason, and I think there's a good reason, a group of people from the Middle East, our quote unquote greatest, greatest ally. So, what have you seen as you've looked into it? What leads you back to and what are your thoughts uh currently about what's happening with our government and the government of Israel?

SPEAKER_03 56:41

Yeah, so um one thing I want to talk about to kind of build off what you're saying. So in 2020, Latter-day Saints were considered about 60% of the population in Utah. Now, five year only about five years later, 42%. So look at how fast your state's changing. A huge drop. It's happening right in front of your face. Like the rate, I think this is what people don't understand is like they don't understand how fast we're losing our country and how fast we're losing our state. Like, this is gonna happen like that within a within a generation, it can happen.

SPEAKER_06 57:18

Yeah, well, not only just that, and I'll let you continue, but I was looking up yesterday because during Sunday school we were talking about it, and I was just curious. Um, but as we've been studying the Old Testament this year, we're talking about the commandment given to Adam and Eve. And once again, if you're a Christian, you know the story. If you don't, they're told to multiply or plenish the earth. Eventually, you're you know, essentially have kids, have babies. I was looking up the birth rate because I don't know if you've looked into this, but if a birth if the birth rate of a nation falls below, I and correct me if I'm wrong, I believe it's two kids or like two 2.0 or something like that. Somebody can leave a comment if I'm wrong, because I probably am, then it just it the number of years that that country has to exist is very, very few and far. And I just was curious what the Utah birth rate is, and we've seen it drop. It was as a nation, the United States, it's right now hovering right around like 1.2, 1.3, which boils down to for every married couple, they're having 1.3 kids. And I know you can't have a third of a kid, but you get you get the statistic. In Utah, we were one of the highest, and we still are the highest in the nation, but we've even faltered. I think we were right around like 2.8, and some point we were a few years ago or even a decade ago, we were at like five to six, and now we're at 1.8. And we're seeing it more with like, and just the age of people getting married in Utah used to be very young. Now it's getting older. The rate of kids being born in Utah is it used to be high, now it's very low. And then you bring up the statistic, right? Utah predominantly a Latter-day Saint, faith-filled group of people that live here, and now it's fallen below 50%. So I think I mean, I I know I cut you off, but yeah, I I figured that was important to add because it's it's happening faster than I think people recognize.

SPEAKER_03 59:14

Yeah, I know it's happening way faster than people realize. And you're absolutely right. And I think that's an interesting point you bring up because the the president of the of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, that's what he talked about in his last talk, was about how the birth rate has gone so, you know, has drastically declined so quickly. And the reality is, the reality is we're not like just in general, in America, Americans are not having kids. White Americans, black Americans, Asian Americans, like they're not having kids. And so what's happening is at the same time, while we're not having kids, so our population is in active decline, we're having this mass immigration happening illegally, and even some of it legally.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:00

Right. And so literally within a generation, we're seeing I'll give you guys an example. You can look up the statistics on this. So back in 19 in 1965, okay, the United States was well, about 89% white Americans. Okay. Okay. And then they passed what was called the Seller Act by it was, I forget the senator's name. He was a Jewish American. So he passed this act that allowed immigration from like pretty much all the other countries in the world.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:31

Um, they're called the Seller Act in 1965. And since that time, we have gone from America being a, so it's about 89% white, the rest were mostly like black Americans and some Native Americans, right? Um, since that time, we're now at from the statistics, statistics that I looked up, we're about 52% white Americans, and the rest are, you know, you know how you have 13% black Americans and then Hispanic Americans, right? So, and then what's happening is white Americans are not having kids. So the people that were whose ancestors founded this nation are no longer having children and were actively importing million tens of millions of immigrants from other countries. And the problem is, guys, they're they don't learn English. They're not they're not learning English. They don't Yeah, they're not here to assimilate. They're not here to assimilate. They do they stay with their own little group. And I've seen this because I've because I know a lot of these people personally. I'm not saying they're bad people, but I know a lot of them personally, and like I know a lot of these Venezuelans that are here. And I've gone to California and I've seen the Indians and the Muslims that live there, and they just have their own little groups. So if you, if you, if you, if your population declines and you're not having kids, you're not replacing yourself, and then you're bringing in people from other countries, a a nation isn't just its soil. A nation isn't just an idea, it's also its people.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:59

Correct. Yep. And and the people that we are bringing, people will argue, and you've heard this argument from mainly the Democratic side or the Democrat side, that the population of the United States is continuing to increase. And so therefore, we're fine as a country. But the point that you brought up, and I would add, these people that we're bringing in, like you said, legally and sometimes, you know, illegally, well, illegally most times, sometimes legally, these people are coming here and they are having children. They're not sitting back and saying, like, yeah, cool, the statistic is 1.3. My wife and I will have one kid, our neighbor will have two. That's not what we're seeing. They're coming in and they're having so many children because they're incentivized by government subsidy programs. The more kids they have, the more benefits they get, the more they don't have to work if they're working at all, because then they can live off of the government and live off of the taxpayers like you and me. And so at that point, they're having so many kids, and that's when we're seeing, and we will see in the next 10 years, it'll be exactly what we've seen happen in Europe. And if you don't know what's happening in Europe, Europe is no longer predominantly white. Small minority are the European people and or white European people. Now it's just a giant mixing pot of mainly Middle Eastern Islamic people that are over there because they're having kids and they're just multiplying while European, white Europeans aren't, you know, they're they're not having kids. So it becomes a bigger issue and it will be a bigger issue. And I think it goes back to what we were talking about earlier. The war that we're gonna see next, I'm not saying we're never gonna see a war that's fought between nations with bullets and with bombs and with, you know, all sorts of modern day war craft. What we are going to see, though, is we're going to see the war happen within our own backyard because we're actively seeing our country being taken from us and and it's happening in real time, which is which is a crazy thought to have. So what um, and if you have something to add, add it, but a question that I would ask too is you're you talk about the Venezuelan people that you're aware of. I I'd love to know your thoughts about kind of what we saw happen a few weeks ago in Venezuela. And and you I know you've talked to somebody about that situation, but share share a little bit about what you've kind of seen with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:24

Yeah, so um the Venezuela situation is interesting because like what first happened, right, since about 2014. Um I believe it was in 2014 when the Venezuela when Nicolas Maduro, and I might be wrong, so you you can check me on that, but 2014 Nicolas Maduro becomes the president of Venezuela, and since that time, right, like before that was Hugo Chavez, he was like the first original dictator of Venezuela, socialist dictator, and then 2014 get, you know, there was a lot of protests and different things, and and Maduro becomes a president. Since that time, people started Venezuelans started fleeing their country, okay? So, and literally a quarter of their population has left. Okay, about eight million people have left Venezuela, and they've come to mainly they've gone to like Colombia, United States, Spain, and throughout some of the other Latin American countries. Okay, so during the Biden administration, he gave them pr special protections. So though he invited all the Venezuelans into the United States, and they settle mainly. Number one state they go to is Florida. Number two is quite interesting. People don't know this, Utah. Yeah. So because Utah has a very strong tight-knit community, I think they started some of them started coming here and it just started really building quickly. And that's why we have and so we have a really big community here of Venezuelans. So And the situation is interesting because, you know, Trump gave or Biden gave them special like privileges and allowed it, like he made it super easy for them to get social security, to get all kinds of benefits and stuff. What's interesting, people don't know though, is Trump before that time, he but one of the last executive orders he did in office was to give Venezuelans special permissions. People don't know that. And then Biden just continued it. Um and so yeah, it's interesting because I I think the real reason, like the real reason I think that we're in Venezuela is because right, it it's it's globe, it goes back to this kind of this global ideology of what's going on of you know, the reality is the United States is a Zionist country, right? Um look where the money, it's always about the money, right? So it's about the oil. We're we're we're not there to liberate Venezuela, right? We're there to take their oil, and um, and also the reality is if we didn't do it, China is doing it, right? Like Iran's doing it. Someone else was going to. So a lot of people are making an argument, I guess it's better the United States does it than someone else, plus they're in our hemisphere, um, so we should be monitoring it. I don't want to be the world's police. Yeah, I just want to have a sh a strong border and a strong nation, right? Um but again it goes back to these ideologies, and one of the things Maduro was opposed to was um Zionism, and there's a lot of uh there's a lot of Hamas and different things and a lot of sh right, like Chinese influence i in Venezuela. Yeah. And so I think the real reason that we did that was because our politicians didn't want more of that influence, and they just wanted the oil. And so that that's really why we're there and it's it's as simple as that, the money, just follow the money.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:01

Yeah, yep. Follow the money, but also follow the strings that are being pulled. And I think that's something that more people are being woken to the idea or awakened to the idea that we're seeing, you know, Zionism as a whole, that whole ideology, is truly leading the country that we live in. When we've got, you know, and it goes back to pretty much everything. And I've I've said talk to plenty of friends of mine or family members who talk about this, and they've said, oh, Bryce, you're on the Israel train or you're going down that path. It's not a path that it's hard to get on. When you start even just looking up very minor or basic things, simple things like, for example, what was the purpose of Ukraine versus Russia war? You look at that. There's already something that you can tie back to Israel and the government of Israel. There's already things that you can tie back to with technocrats and billionaires here and you know, AI companies in the United States wanting, you know, Ukraine for various purposes. Same thing with Maduro and capturing him. And we talked about it with Zach Faust on the last episode and the episode before that with just myself. What's happening right now with Greenland? You even look at that situation and you can tie it right back to the government of Israel and Zionism and that whole idea. So I think you're seeing it more and more if you just open your eyes and look at it. And if you're even open to the idea of looking at it, you're going to find it. It's not something where you have to have, you know, your deep web browser open and you have to be looking up all these things and bouncing it off of Chat GPT or Grok. It's just something where as soon as you just even start remotely looking into it, you're going to start to find it. So, what what have you seen? And just on your own research and in the own guests that you've had on your own podcast, what have you seen would be the biggest glaring issue for our generation? Obviously, there's many that we've talked about today, but what do you feel like is the most glaring issue that we that you see?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:06

Um, I think it's interesting what you said about like who's pulling the strings. Because for me, I mean, there's a lot of issues in our nation. We can talk about$37,$37 trillion,$38 trillion in debt. We can talk about how we're we talked about how we're not having children. Um right. So there's the there's a degenerate degeneracy of our culture, um, right, the corruption of our politicians. Um, so there's a lot of different issues that are currently going on. But what you said I think is important is look at who's pulling the strings behind it. And the reality is if you follow the money, you find where the strings are. And so the reality is if you look at all of our politicians, they all take money from this one organization called the the American Israeli lobby, the APAC. Yep. And so, and they brag on their website, 98% of their candidates always win. Yeah. Surprisingly, yeah. And then you talk about the Epstein thing, and the reality is Epstein, I'm just gonna say it, he was a he was a Mossad agent, probably for working for the CIA too, and maybe some other intelligence agencies. And what he did was blackmail all of our politicians. So the politicians currently sitting in our government right now in Congress are actively being blackmailed by Israel. And that's why that's why we do their interests, that's why Trump is does everything he wants for them. Um, if you just follow the money and you think of it more about money, less as some big, giant rant, you know, oh, this huge, giant conspiracy theory. Oh, you guys are conspiracy theorists. Just follow the money. It's not that complicated.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:52

You literally just follow the money and you see it.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:54

Yeah. And and that's something that you do outside of politics. I mean, you look at anything, right? Who are gonna be your biggest supporters of any business? Well, it's the people that have the most skin in the game or the most money invested into the business. Who's gonna be the most invested into a sports team being successful? Well, it's probably the owner of that sports team who's putting in all the money. But yeah, when we get to politics, that's where I feel like, and at least for myself, I'll speak. For the last uh, you know, I've been politically involved ever since the Obama administration when I was younger, because my dad, you know, it was forced in our house at night. My dad came home from work and watched Fox News. So he either watched it with them or he did something else in the house. But growing up, uh all the time, you just think, oh, look, I'm gonna vote for this official or this politician, and they're gonna get into office, hopefully, if everything goes right the way I want to. As a voter, they get into office and now they start to support me. They support start to support those voters who have voted for them and the people that actually want them to do good. And that's just not the case. And it's it's especially since the last few years that Charlie Kirk's kind of grown and he grew his organization and his voice, that I started listening more to him instead of people like, you know, Glenn Beck and Ben Shapiro and all those people. And now it is, it truly for for those who are aware of the situation, it's no longer just uh I vote a politician in and they have my best interest. You may vote a politician in because you believe that, but at the end of the day, it's just gonna be the same old song and dance, which is whoever is funding that politician, whether it's foreign lobbies, whether it's big billionaires and big businesses here in the United States that want their own agenda to be pushed, that's gonna be the people that that politician is doing the bidding for. It's no longer just gonna be, yeah, I am voted in by the people and I'm for the people, and that's why I'm there. We don't see that anymore where our politicians get into office, they serve their terms, they get out of office, and they return to the grain mill or they return to the auto dealership, or they return to the grocery store, you know, managing whatever business that they had before. They're now either lifers, they're career politicians, they get such a big net worth in there through insider trading or other forms of, you know, collecting money, like you said, from APAC or other lobbies, that now they're just set for the rest of their life. So it's we no longer see that. And I think you were hinting on it at the beginning of this episode where we're not gonna vote our way out of this situation.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:25

Nope. That's the unfortunate reality. There's there's no voting out of what we're in because it's just gonna continue. And so I think the biggest thing that we can do now is it's all about, like we said, the money. So we need control over our own money.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:42

You know? And we're liter because we're literally funding like Trump. And and here's the thing, I think Trump was the biggest biggest example of what you said. Everybody had this great hope that Trump was gonna get into office because he campaigned on exposing the corruption, and because he early on, back in the early in his first presidency, he had even when some of the Epstein stuff had been coming out, he had talked about it. And right, and he was one of the guys drain the swamp, right? Well, what happened is Trump became the swamp. Yeah right? He he became the swamp. He just said what he needed to do to get into office, and then now it's it's just he just goes with the money and he does the same thing that every other politician has done. And so Yeah, it's yeah, no, keep going.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:29

Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:30

So it it's just sad to see that that's that's the reality we are in as a nation. And so I think that's why it's more it's so important to we can't control what's in DC. We have to get control over our own backyard. And that's why it's so important to be to be involved where you live, because that's where you can have the most amount of influence, right? Like we need to fight to get Cox out of office. We need to fight to get Curtis out because they don't have our best interest in mind. They have the best interest of their donors in mind, and that's all they care about.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:01

You see it nationally, you see it all the time, right? You see, you've seen it with Trump. We all believe that Trump was gonna be, you know, the fix-all because he wasn't a career politician. He wasn't a politician at any point of his life, and then he gets into office and he's kind of let the I would say he has let the entire nation down with what he's doing and what he's not doing. You see it with Dan Bongino as he's exited as the director of the FBI. He fought the Epstein Files with, you know, a sword and an axe in either hand when he wasn't in, and then he gets in and basically just caves to the entire idea that you know the Epstein Files are a hoax and that he killed himself and there's nothing to see there. And so I I would echo what you said, and and you kind of hinted on it before I asked the question, which is what can we do? And I think it it's true. We have to start with our own backyard. You have to be politically involved. You have to do it for your own family. The gospel principle still remains true, even more so today. If you don't get your own house in order, you can't expect to be able to help anyone else get their home in order. You can't expect to help anybody else if, you know, if there's a fire burning on behind you in your own house. So what other, I guess, final piece of advice or final things that you feel like people either in Utah or people just i in the country in general, if they're listening, what do you feel like need to be aware about?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:27

Um you know, I think that's I think we pretty much summed it up.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:35

Like the only thing that we can do sometimes it's burdensome understanding the truth, right? Because you know, I grew up pledging allegiance to the flag and grew up, you know, remembering about my, you know, my my great-grandfather who fought in the Korean War for the United States, my great-grandfather who fought in World War II against the J Japan against Japan. I remember, right? Like growing up real I grew up with really strong roots of who I was and who we are as a nation, right? Like my ancestors came over, some of them came over on the Mayflower, some of them, you know, most of my ancestors were here in the United States since the 1600s, right? So I have a very strongly deep connection to to our country. And the reality is everything that you're told growing up is is mostly lies. You know, hist everything about history and politics. And and so I think the biggest thing for people is just self-improvement, focus, improve yourself, go to the gym, you know, get your like you said, get your own house in order. Get your own house in order, and then give as much as you can give to the people around you. Get involved in the small ways that you can around you, right? By making small impacts. And I think if we could get that message to every American in the nation that we could that we could make some positive changes and we could start turning the tide in the right direction. The problem is it has to happen on a mass scale because no politician is going to save us, none of them are coming to help us, they're actively against our interests. So, in a sense, we're in a little bit of a war on our own soil against because the people in power hate us and they're trying to and they're actively replacing us with a foreign with foreigners and stealing our money and committing pedophilia. And so it's an awful situation we find ourselves in, but I think with you know, it goes back to our founding principles. Yeah. Right? The things that our founding fathers stood for. We need to study those things, understand them, and live them on a daily basis. Yep. Right?

SPEAKER_06 1:19:47

Yeah, if we can, if we can truly, as a nation, and this is gonna be like you said, it has to happen on a mass scale or it's not gonna happen or have any traction at all. If we can get back to those ideas, if we can get back to those fundamental uh points, and ultimately, whether people like this idea or this notion or not, at this point in life, I'm kind of tired trying to play personal feelings police. We have to get back to a Christian country. If we're not going to be a Christian country, everything that we've seen that's been, you know, biblically speaking, uh, you know, Christianity and whole, as well as the doctrine within the United States Constitution and Declaration of Independence that our founding fathers set up, if we can't get back to a nation that believes in Christ, follows Christ, and worships him, and believes that what is said, Christianity and that good can and will defeat evil, if we can't get back to those principles, then yeah, I don't, I don't think we have a a shot of it happening at all. And of course, you've got the good mindset and positive mindset, right? It's not all doom and gloom. We know who wins in the end. We know that good obviously will conquer evil and evil will cease to exist. But in the meantime, if we don't kind of straighten up and and make sure that we're doing what we're supposed to, I think we're gonna just live through harder times, which, as we already covered, is just gonna create, you know, weaker men and women overall. So it's uh it's a humbling thought. It's a it's a a thought that I think all of us can can gather around. So but well, Christopher, I appreciate your time, appreciate you being on this episode. Thank you for We the Future. Where can people find you? Help us out. I'm gonna post everything in the bio so people can see in the description, but give us a little plug for for your channels and your profiles.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:43

Yeah, so you can find me on Instagram or YouTube at Navu Legion um or Instagram. I have another my other personal page is um I am like the letters I am Christopher Lee. So cool.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:01

So you can find me. Okay, perfect. And how how often are you doing episodes of the podcast?

SPEAKER_03 1:22:08

Yeah, so I try to um I do an episode. I'm trying to do it once a little more consistently. It's been about every other week, so trying to get to about once a week.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:17

So Okay, awesome. Well, like I said, I'll put everything, plug uh the channels in the bio in the description. But appreciate your time, appreciate you being here. Obviously, people can uh look for more content from you and and more truth. But overall, dude, it uh it's gonna come from people like us and people from or people like the ones that are listening and viewing this. So I appreciate what you're doing, fighting the good fight, and wish you all the luck.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:43

Okay. Thanks, Bryce. Appreciate you.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:45

Yeah, of course, dude. Take care and uh thanks for listening. This has been another episode of We the Future. We'll catch you next time.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:03

The future isn't given. It's built. Built by people who stand up, speak out, and take responsibility for their country. This is We the Future with Bryce Wheeler.