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Episode 120: Interleague

• Jordan Schmaltz & Gage Ausmus • Episode 120

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A new episode with Jordan Schmaltz & Gage Ausmus.


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- 10th Annual Sioux Golf Trip

- Stanley Cup Finals Preview

- Association Talk

- People's Insider Term of the Week

 && much more !!


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SPEAKER_00

Alrighty, folks. Welcome back to another episode, baby, of Live and Five, the Captain Gage, Ozo Osmus. As always, Jay Swish reporting live from the guts of beautiful North Scottsdale, Arizona, the last day of May. We're heading into June, Ozzo, and you know what that means. On Monday, we will be entering the greatest week in sports, as far as I'm concerned. Better than Christmas. It is better when you get uh just some alone time around Thanksgiving from your family members you don't want to talk to. It is the 10th annual North Dakota Sioux golf trip, brother. First off, how are we feeling? How has your training been leading in and out of camp? Are you ready for the hardest three days in sports?

SPEAKER_01

Am I ready? No. Um, how's my training been? It hasn't been, it's actually probably my worst year training coming up to this event journal, but okay. That being said, it's year 10, it's a special year. There were doubters who think who thought we'd never make it here.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_01

They thought we never see it to year 10. But we're still here, it's a good career. It's a hell of a league, as Dale would say. I'll be ready. I'm not worried about my training regime. I'm a veteran now. I'm one of those guys, you know. I I relax in this the off season. Um, but come come training camp and the season when we get there, Jordo. Uh I have no doubt I'll find my feet right away.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I'm not worried about you. You've always been a highly competitive player that plays in the top of the lineup. And I don't think you're truly ever ready. You're you really understand what goes into this week. But Ozzo, if you're comparing yourself to a modern day hockey player, like at least in my eyes, no matter what you do in the summer, it doesn't really matter. Like, for me, you're you're an old school guy where you probably don't even put the skates on until mid-August, maybe even around Labor Day, and you just show up to camp ready to play. You're not like a guy that I think gets in your own head or in your own way where the season ends and before the next one even starts, you're on the ice like a week later. That doesn't really strike me as your type of make and model.

SPEAKER_01

No, I like to get away from the game, Jordo. I don't want to burn myself out, you know. Um, because you know, it sometimes it could be a lot, you know. If you if you do it year round, um, you know, the the passion and love for the game can start to slip and it could be a little too much. That's why I like to take my off season and rest up, and that's why I feel confident coming in this every year, you know. I'm I'm just you know, I'm ready for it. I've prepared, I've done what I needed to do. And there are things you need to do to prepare for these golf trips, Jordo. Um, you've got to put in the time if you do have a loved one, you have to put in the time so you feel comfortable going on this trip. Um, and you have to do a lot of things and and schedule it out and you know, fight some of those demons. And it does take discipline going there because we're all 30-year-old men now, plus that. Um, I'd say we're on the back half of our our you know, our stardom. But I still I think we still got it, Jordo. I mean, we're a team of veterans, we still got it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think there's still a window there for for all the players involved in terms of what we can bring and you know, throw both ways for for three days per se. But the thing that always resonates with me, and it's why I think it's the funniest trip in sports, is it's called the golf trip, but we're not even bringing our clubs this year, and that seems to be a theme like many years. I think this is the third time in 10 years we've left the wrenches at home per se. It might be even the fourth. I was trying to add it up because we had a Scottsdale golf trip in there where we didn't bring the clubs. I think I maybe we played one time um when we almost lost a member of the crew that I will not um, you know, it's actually gonna remain nameless. Is still with us, did not get the invite back to the golf trip for uh unforeseen circumstances. But so we had Nashville where we didn't bring the wrenches. We've had Chicago where we didn't bring the wrenches. I'm trying to figure out if there's any other spots we didn't. Do you know off the top of your mind? I mean, there's been times we've only played like nine holes of course.

SPEAKER_01

I think Vegas was like a nine-holder for some guys.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, Nashville was eight.

SPEAKER_01

Was there a Scottsdale year in there where like the COVID year do we play?

SPEAKER_00

That's what I'm trying to think. I I still think we played one round that year. I think we played run one round, so I think it might be the second or third year where we've left the wrenches at home. We've never played more than two rounds, and honestly, the times we have played, we've played somewhere between four and nine holes. So um, I mean, I remember Nashville vividly. First off, the Nashville golf outing was hilarious. The first day we fly in, it's a hundred degrees. We play on that Thursday, it was whatever. It was actually a pretty fun round. Um, for a guy that doesn't play a ton anymore, just due to my schedule, I was out there, I played pretty well. The second day we went out there, though, it was so goddamn hot. We pulled in to that golf course, which is actually pretty nice. And our insanely high and drunk bus driver, Bobby Gregg, who will remain nameless, but did carry a pistol on him. Remember, he hammered the side of that stone wall as we were pulling in, like under the underpass of the country club. Oh, yeah. So he hammered that stone wall with the bus. He took out like four or five stones, he dented the whole fucking thing. I thought, like, the what do you call that? Like, it's not like a underpass, but it's like a a voyeur, or what is it called? Like it's where you pull in and it's kind of got an overhang right in front of the clubhouse. What's that called?

SPEAKER_01

I know it. I it's it's just slipping my mind right now. I hate when that happens, it'll come back to me. But yeah, yeah, I think I'm pretty sure Zayno was legit pissed at this guy.

SPEAKER_00

He was like, Yeah, dude, what are you doing? So we're not only were we like an hour late for our tea time, he hammers the stone wall of this overhang of this golf club. So now, like the superintendent that's out there, the club pro, they're like, What is going on? And and basically the guy came up to us, the the head pro marshal was like, You got to get on the course because you know you're ready an hour late, guys. You got four tea times or five blocked off. So we go out there, we slatch around our group. We end up just leaving the course. It was me, Nikki, Kajula, and I forget who else was playing with us, but we're just like, Fuck this, we're done after nine holes. Also, I was we got so pinned waiting for you guys. I remember, and I would never do this. Like, I'm not the most respectful guy in the world, but I think I have some decent manners. I was so pinned, man. I was smoking darts inside the the clubhouse, and they're like, Sir, you gotta put that out. I'm like, Oh fuck, I thought I was on the patio still. So that year got out of hand. I think that's the hardest I've ever drank was was that year in Nashville. That was oh, yeah, insane, dude.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that was so hot. That course was sick, though. Like right along that river. Um, there's like a dike on the side of it, like a big hill, sick course, just 110 degrees. Fuck.

SPEAKER_00

And that was that was when I don't I don't know if you know this, but I think you do you remember this. That was the last night when you know there was a uh a bag of trail mix in the house. Yeah, yeah. And we had got we had actually gotten it, acquired it from from someone at the bar, and no one had you know opened it or whatever. It was it was already open, but someone had given the boys this bag. They're like, hey, like you know, have this trail mix. Uh, you know, there might be a little micro dose in there for you. We're like, okay, yeah, sure. And nobody touched it all week. And it was midnight on Sunday night where I go into the trail mix because I was hungry and drunk, and I ended up reaching in there, and my god, was I on fucking Pluto by the time I remember someone looked at me. I know who it was, but I'm not gonna say names, and they're like, Did you uh did you just have some of that trail mix? I'm like, Oh yeah, they're like, How much uh how much did you take? I go, Well, I had a pretty good handful. Why? What's up? Uh they're like, uh, someone gave us to us, and that might have mushrooms in it. And oh my god, 30 minutes later, Ozzo, I I was I was hallucinating. I was ready 25 drinks deep, and I'm just sitting there, like, holy fuck. So that was uh that wasn't perfect.

SPEAKER_01

That's a hilarious story. I remember hearing that. I was like, Oh my god, you couldn't have slept the whole night.

SPEAKER_00

No, I didn't. I I went up to our room because you guys were flying out early the next morning, yeah. And your golf clubs ended up getting stolen, stolen, still gone, still gone, and we were staying in that section eight housing area of Nashville where they had some like you know, some newer developments, but we were in the hood, and whoever left before you just left the garage wide open, and someone just came in and just stole your club. So that was a eventful trip. Um, but yeah, man, that was uh we yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I think we're good on Nashville for a little while after that one.

SPEAKER_00

I mean 100%.

SPEAKER_01

We did our damage, it's almost like a Vegas spot, Jordo, where it's fun at once every maybe five, 10 years, you know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that was when we were at Kid Rock's Honky Tonk, and the entire bar was watching us assholes. We were running the entire bar, we were in the middle of the dance floor having the band play thunderstruck on repeat. And every time, obviously, when you hear thunder, you take a drink, and the bartenders were in on it, the people that were running the bar back. So we were running out of beers like every three minutes, and they just kept running it back, just a tray of Miller lights, and they just plant them in the middle of the floor, and we'd be like, one more time, and the whole bar was in on it. That was I like I said, uh because we didn't golf and we just went down to Broadway every day, and that's such a beer drinking whatever drinking.

SPEAKER_01

You have to drink beer no matter what you're doing. It is, it's it's great though, because everyone down there is just they're there to get drunk and have a good time, like it's everyone's there. It's like a handshake agreement between everyone. We're all here to get a little banged up, drink, hammer some beers, and listen to some good music. And that's I mean, that's all you can do, and that's what we did.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, yeah, and aside from quarterback sneaking myself, uh, with that trail mix, it was it was a hell of a shift. Oh my god, thank god I had Dale the next day. He wasn't flying out till later, neither was I, because I would have been lost if I was alone. That would have been spooky. It was spooky enough because I always go on a date early, as is, and I got pinned with Dale the night before. Then you guys came in. So um I'm looking forward to it, Oswald this year. It should be pretty sweet. Chicago IL picking up the hats tomorrow. We got a Cubs game on the slate, obviously, a meat and cheese night on Thursday, Cubs game Friday, boat Saturday, out Sunday. Um, yeah, you gotta you gotta put your time with the with the loved ones uh on the other side of the puck this week. Maybe take her out for a nice meal, maybe cook. Uh, it's not like you're gonna be doing anything crazy, but uh they know you're gonna be licked uh for the better part of 72 hours, like we said.

SPEAKER_01

I think they're just at this point, you know, it's like my wife is just she just knows I'm not gonna be fun to be around when I get back. So that's like what makes her most mad. It's like she'll probably be trying to make me act normal on Sunday when I get back, and it's just you gotta take a few days after that trip.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, you do. Uh I'm interested to see uh what lineup shows up. It's always funny too, because we have this we've literally had the golf trip group chat for over 10 years now, and to get guys to respond in there is like pulling teeth, and especially nowadays because everyone's so busy with their own lives and kids, it's not as active as it is, but you know, around this time of year, and especially a couple weeks prior, guys start making travel arrangements, they want to know what's going on. Uh, Rico and myself kind of set the lineup. Azzo, obviously, you've been added to the committee um over the years because Chiswick has stepped down. But it's always funny to see who's going to be coming in, what guys are still trying to move a couple different things around the chessboard to maybe sneak in for a night, maybe a little hey, how are you coming in hot on Saturday, or I'll be there Friday, boys? Uh, so one name I'm really interested to see. Uh, we've added them over the last year is is Dave Hackstall. Dane Jackson will be in attendance, but Oswald, do we do we think a guy like Dave Hackstall coming off a sweep and a loss out of the Western Conference finals, does he show face?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's a great question. I would say for a man like Haxdall, I don't know what his you know, his family situation was like, Jordan. Like, does he need to see his kids? Is he looking to hang out with them and the family, or did he see them throughout the year? Maybe, right? Um, I would say it's a good, there's a decent chance we see him one night, right? I think so. Like easy to fly in, easy to fly out, just make one night. Um it helps our chances with Jackson being there, of course, because those two are boys. Um, but no, obviously you'd love to see Hack there. It's awesome that you know Jackson, Simmer and Chiz are coming. Um, almost feel like we should invite SMABES to just get those get all the boys there.

SPEAKER_02

I know.

SPEAKER_01

But uh yeah, it'll be good to it'll be good to talk shop with those guys. Um, I can't wait to see Chizzy talking it up with people out there and and to see what he's like because he I feel like he's getting so big time now. I love when I see him, he's just a little more big time than he was last time. Yeah, like he's getting to be like that like pissed off GM that's just big time, you know. Yes, and uh I don't know. I I like that storyline for Chiz.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, Chisak is is always a competitor, um always a guy that can funnel the beers with the best of them. Always a little pissed off, he's always been that way, he's always been a just an ornery, angry bastard. I've lived with him, you know, three years at North Dakota. Uh, I know how he operates, so still one of my best friends. Yeah, he's he's funny, man. He he's uh you don't know if it's a bit or it's actually him, and I think it kind of it obviously shades to who he is, but he plays into the character and he always has. He's always been a man that goes against the grain. He obviously went to law school, just ask him, and he's willing to argue, and he's willing to take one of your points, even though he might agree in real time with you, he will debate you because that is just who he is. He just wants to be angry and he wants to be a little pissed off, and he wants that guy thrives in altercation, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_01

He really does. He's he's looking for it, and yeah, I mean that's what he does. It's it's it's fun to be around, but yeah, I mean, all those guys, everyone coming, Jordal. Um, it's gonna be a good turnout, you know. Yeah, it's 10 years down. I know we're missing some guys, but still a damn good turnout for the fellas.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, Brock Besser, obviously in the mix. Uh, he always best is like I love best, but best is like the guy, he's like the girl that just wants to feel wanted. Like you he needs reassurance to to tell him how cool he is and why I want him on the trip, and then he books his stuff, right? He's not like a guy that's just like all in. He's like, should I come? Like, obviously, Brock, and if you're listening to this, of course you should come. But why, as a man that's almost 40 years old, do I need to beg you to come? Do I need to tell you how hot you look, how good your hair is, how many goals you scored, how you can do this, that. I don't why do I need to give you reassurance when you should just fucking come on the on the trip?

SPEAKER_01

Just book your ticket, man. Don't ask, you don't need me to tell you to come. Like, I don't need to be texting you saying, Hey, book the ticket, let's go. Like, just book it, be all in. Like, you didn't you didn't go to the world championship, just book the ticket. We know you probably have some friends' cousin's birthday party that you're missing, and we do appreciate you for missing that. But just book the damn ticket, best.

SPEAKER_00

All right, 100%. Yeah, and and thank you because we we will need your wallet later in the week. Troy Stetcher back in the mix, huge, spin off for the last two or three years, obviously playing in the Stanley Cup finals. That'll be sick to have Stetchy back in the mix. Thompson sounds like he's out, maybe could be a push. But Ozzo, I'm not worried about anyone else, I'm worried about my own game, and that's how everyone should think. But last year for me wasn't perfect, and I'll be the first one to admit that. I came in hot after right after the baseball trip, which was like a six or seven day runner. Spent a couple odd days in Tampa Bay waiting for you boys, had to drive from Atlanta all the way back down to Tampa Bay. And by the time I got through Ocala, Florida, and almost got tased and my ear bitten off by this crackhead inside of a 7-Eleven. Man, did I hit the wall? Oh man, it was bad. So I came in, I had a sore throat, which ended up turning into strep throat. I got on antibiotics. I that developed into an ear infection, and then from there, I almost went down with like I don't know if it was it wasn't pneumonia, but it it was the ear infection, the strep throat, and my body just completely shut down. And I was boozing like hard, obviously, yeah, on the antibiotics. I just felt weird the entire time. I had no voice. Man, so for me, that really humbled me. It it told me at 31 years old, you probably shouldn't do an 11 out of 14. So this year I've managed my game, I've used load management, but I've still played a few. I've I've gotten some reps in the last weeks, but I definitely feel better going into this year, hopefully. Uh with good health because man, it's not only was I battling all that, but then when you want to get in on the conversations and you have no voice, it's just miserable.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that's the biggest battle I was gonna say, especially for a guy like me who has one of these whisper voices, so it doesn't take much for me to lose that voice. And Dusky loses his because he's screaming all night. Like I lose mine because yes, I am talking a lot, but I just have a soft voice and it goes easy. You gotta keep your voice for as long as you can, Jordan, because as soon as you can't hop in on the jokes and get in on that campfire when you're fucking when everyone's spitting game and you're all just dying laughing. If you can't step in on that and you've got some just voice that no one can hear, it's it's brutal.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and you know, I let alone I can't order a drink as a single guy. I can't even have a conversation if I need to do that. It's just brutal. And then the the worst part is when you're sitting in the hot stove late at night when all the fellas are just gathered up or early in the morning talking about the stung events that occurred. You're sitting there with with just nothing to give, which was it humbled me a lot. I was like, damn, this sucks. I'm just sitting here, I feel like a piece of shit. Obviously, I'm never gonna go home early, but I'm battling a lot right now for you boys. Um, I'm in the trenches, so yeah, we'll see, man. Um, I was definitely humbled last year, so it's uh I'm I'm ready to push, and that's what year 10 is about. So I can't wait to get there. I'm going in. I think I'm gonna go in Wednesday night because I don't wanna because it kills a whole day if I fly from here to Chicago. I don't I wouldn't get in till later unless I left real early. So I think uh I think as a pro I I might go in the night early.

SPEAKER_01

So Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday night.

SPEAKER_00

I'm thinking Wednesday night, yeah. Get in late, might have to.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Just go to the hotel room though. Don't go check out a few spots.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01

I would I would just maybe just check out like a couple spots.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, maybe dinner with my sister, shut it down, have six, go to bed, see see what's up. That city's, I mean, it's gonna be great. This is there's no better time to go into the guts of Chi Town than I can't wait to get back there.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so many options. Like, we don't even we don't know where we're gonna end up, right?

SPEAKER_00

Like, it's just kind of yeah, no, we don't. I'm interested to see how the houses because Rico always books the house, or the I guess this year, the Penter. I'm interested. It looks pretty sick on paper, but you never know. I love when the boys always give them shit. You know, Chiswick's gonna come and just bitch in this place. Sucks. I can't believe I paid this much for that. Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not paying you.

SPEAKER_01

Chiswick's gonna be rattled.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, he is gonna come in there just so negative. It's gonna be hilarious.

SPEAKER_01

It's nice and done, Dusky. You fucking idiot.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, dude. Yeah, it's gonna be great. All the boys under one roof. I think that's the best part of the trip. Uh, it's it's the best trip, I think, in sports. So looking forward to it, Azzo. Can't wait. Fella. But we got the Stanley Cup playoffs starting up here, my friend. Sorry, the Stanley Cup final, not the playoffs, but we got the we got the finals Tuesday going off the guts. What are we thinking in this series? Obviously, Vegas, Carolina. I just saw Carolina play half licked up in Montreal. They look really good. But if you're looking at this series and you're a betting man uh with your own chin, who are you looking at here? Fala, and what are some of the keys from both sides?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, no, uh honestly, uh I kind of like the series. I I think it's exciting coming in. I mean, what is Carolina, Jordo? Like 12 and 1, 12 and 1. And Vegas is like 12 and 4. So you got two, I mean, hot teams they haven't lost in a while coming in. You'd like to think it's gonna be a great series, Jordo, and and Carolina gets over this hump of the Eastern Conference Finals, and you you like to think maybe maybe this is their chance. Um, but when you look at this, I just I just think you gotta go eye test. And when you watch these games, Jordo, it's just it's tough to think Carolina's gonna pull this off, right? Like you they I know they're really good, they have a really good decor, they're big on the back end, they're they're quick up front, they play a smart game. Um I just think with this Vegas team. And what they have, how they've been playing, and their goaltender. Like Carter Hart over Frederick Anderson for sure, right? Like, I think you have to say that. Like, like Carolina really, he hasn't Frederick Anderson hasn't really had to save them any games. You know, like Carter Hart's playing out of his mind right now. That guy's story, too. I know he's controversial, Jordo, but that guy's story. I mean, this guy got drugged through the mud. He's innocent. He was not guilty, people. So I don't know why everyone's so pissed off of him. He's in the NHL for a reason. Obviously, he was allowed to play. He went through hell and back. And now he's, I mean, I would say if he didn't go through that, I mean, he's probably the front runner for the con Smythe. I know everyone's saying that, but it's like, fuck, that would suck to go through what he went through, and people still hate him. But I think they've got that on like obviously, if you're a guy like Carter Hart, you're playing with that in your mind. Like, you got a little fire to your game, like, fuck these people, you know. And you got that on your side. I just think I would take him over Frederick Anderson. And I just, I mean, you never know, right? Like, like we just said, Carolina's 12-1, but I just think that's the difference there. And I just don't see Carolina's game matching up with Vegas very well because Vegas plays that hard, heavy, old school dump it in.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And they got skill. Like Eichel and Marner, and fuck, they're just a scary lineup.

SPEAKER_00

And Eichel is so good. Like Carolina's played some good teams, but they haven't played a center iceman like Jack Eichel on the other side. And he's gonna shut down an entire line. He's definitely gonna lock up whoever he's playing against. I'm I'm sure that's gonna be Aho. Like, that's such a mismatch there with Jack Eichel and how he defends and how good I think he's probably if they're not I if Vegas ends up winning just because of the media and everything and the attention, they're not gonna give the con Smitty to Carter Hurt, even though he deserves it and he should be. That's just how the left-wing media operates, and they probably don't want to cause even further distraction. So uh I would lean towards I mean, Mitchie Marner, Greedy Marner's been incredible too.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, let's not it's him or it's him or Eichel if Vegas wins, but Eichel has been so good.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, the way he can lock up the other team's opposition, like in that game four at the end of the game. Did you see when McKinnon they had the puck? It was either they were down one or Vegas had just scored an empty net. I'm pretty sure they were just down one, though. And Vegas was in the defensive zone, and McKinnon was doing like 19 different cutbacks, and he was trying to get away from Jack Eichel, and he he just bodied him in the wall, like his feet were quiet. He let McKinnon come to him, and then when he saw an opportunity where the puck was a little bit exposed, he went stick on stick, closed him off. The puck gets chipped out of the zone, they're able to change, and then the game is basically over. It's amazing how good he is. And I remember even talking to Nikki, my brother, after that series against Vegas, and he was just saying, I don't know what ICL is on, but the guy never gets tired, Ozzo.

SPEAKER_01

No, he's a he's a freak of nature. I mean, he always has been when he was 17 years old. He was like the youngest guy in the 17 team, and he came up and played with us, Giordo. And he comes up, and we'd been working out for two full, you know, two years every day, every fucking day at the program. Like, it's the strongest you ever are. And this kid comes in, and I think he was like third strongest guy on our team in terms of like power, he was power cleaning like 325 at 17 years old. He's a freak of nature, like he's he's insane. His his body knows all I mean, he did work hard, obviously, but it was just you know, he's got good genetics, of course, too. Like, he's quick out there, he's a big body, but he can skate like the wind, he can he can hang with any of those players, McKinnon, McDavid, any of those guys. He's just as fast as and yeah, I mean, I really like the player he's he's he's coming into and um that he's turning into. And I don't know, it's he's unbelievable to watch. It's it's crazy. Um I don't know. You used to think like AM34 was better than Eichel, but now it's like I don't know. I mean Eichel might be number one C.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, you even look at Jack Eichel in the 2015 entry-level draft. I throw out a tweet last week, and I wasn't saying that he should have been picked over Connor McDavid by any means, but of course that's how people took it in context because it's Twitter and everyone, including myself, is retarded. But the thing was, Ozzo, is Jack Eichel. All I was saying, and I said it in the tweet, Jack Eichel is a better two-way player than Connor McDavid. He really is, at least on at least on the defensive side, he is a better player than Connor McDavid. Now, can he do the things McDavid does? Does he have the same game-breaking ability? Probably not. He's probably better on the power play, McDavid, of course. He's obviously got the extra gear, even though I at Eichel at top speed, they're probably pretty similar. But I would say fast twitch just off the blocks. McDavid does have that little bit more of a get up and go in terms of being a Clydesdale. But all I'm saying, Ozo, is if you look at two-way players, it's way closer than you think. And Eichel is definitely better on the defensive side than Connor McDavid.

SPEAKER_01

For sure he is. For sure he is, and then also, like, I don't know, Jordo. You you think about this series, I'm sure I don't know if you feel the same. Like, if you're thinking Vegas is kind of the favorite coming into this one, but did care did did Colorado look terrible? Where were that was that the same team I watched kind of dust up the wild?

SPEAKER_00

Is Vegas that good, or was like so where Vegas got what happened? So where Vegas got so much better as every round went, they played against the Utah Mammoth, who the Utah Mammoth, say what you want about their team and their little bit of lack of experience. The fastest team out of the West this year. They really were the way they moved the puck, the way they had guys that could fly down the walls, the Gunthers, the Nikki Schmaltzes, the Kellers, the Cooleys, like they have some of the most elite skaters in their top nine. So the way that Vegas was able to manage that speed and then obviously played another quick young team like the Ducks, I think that really set in themselves and the self-belief that they can skate with the top teams in the West. And if you look at Vegas and the biggest difference between John Tortofella and Butch Cassidy, obviously the the change in the room of the voice, of course, but the neutral zone of the Vegas Knights has been incredible. Like you, if you saw that series, Martin Natius and when McKinnon was healthy, both those guys couldn't gallop through the neutral zone against him. There was no fucking space. So I think that's the biggest thing is when Colorado ran into Vegas, they just ran into a buzzsaw. They they had never seen a team up until that point play the neutral zone like the Vegas Golden Knights, and that I think is going to be the biggest difference in the cup final as well. But then it doesn't help, obviously, that Cale McCarr was hurt for the first two games, playing at 40% for the last two. McKinnon gets hurt in game three, plays half the game, and then the other guys, their role players and their side pieces didn't step up. Brock Nelson had an incredible year, but if you were asking even B Nelly, he'd be like, Ah, I wasn't great. And Val Nikushkin, he was hurt. So I just think it was they ran into a buzzsaw and they run out of gas, and they were hurt and they got swept, which is and it was over before they even knew it.

SPEAKER_01

I know it was it was just done. They were done for so quick, it was it was crazy to watch. Like it wasn't even close, Jordan. I mean, uh, it was in terms of these playoffs. Like, you look at these both these teams that are in the finals, the 12-1, 12 and 4. I mean, they fucking dummied everyone in the playoffs, it wasn't even close. Yeah, so why did that happen? Because this was a pretty close year in terms of all the teams were right among each other. There wasn't like a clear cut, oh, this team's the best. I guess Colorado was, yeah. They just got dusted up by the Vegas Golden Knights, who at one point were worried about missing the playoffs.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean, the team you're talking about a team that fired their coach with eight games left. There was that was a team that I went and watched in late March, and they played the Edmonton Oilers, and they look flat, they look stale, they didn't look good. I was like, is this team even gonna make the playoffs? I thought they were gonna make it, but I was like, they might be out in the first round, depending on who they play, and they just continually got better. And then you just see even Mark Stone playing probably under 70. You just realize how good he is. I mean, on that goal with teenage mutant ninja hurdle, just to put it in space. If I was a forward or even a defenseman, it's just be so fun to be on the ice with him. He just puts the puck in the best possible spots for you to skate underneath it with speed, the little bump plays, the way he can just get it off the wall and get it into the middle of the ice. Man, if that guy had half a back, not even a full back, we're talking about a half rack of a baby back rib. This guy would already have a thousand points, and he and he's pretty goddamn close.

SPEAKER_01

For sure. He's so fun to watch out there. He's like that. Uh it's like when you're playing, say you're in like Banham or high school, Jordo, and and you get like an old guy, old guy out there that used to play pro and he can't really skate anymore, but he's still fucking way better than everyone else out there. Yeah, because he's making those right plays, knows where to be, sticks in the right position. He can make those little um area passes. Um, that's exactly what Markstone looks like right now. He's just that old veteran out there that can't skate, but he's just smarter than every fucking guy on the ice.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that reminds me that Tony Hercus still skates in Madison at the pro skates, and he is the Markstone of those skates. There's always that guy putting the puck in the best areas possible, can't really move up and down the ice. Still, after the end of the scrimmage, you're playing five on five. Herc got one and three, and he won five two. Like he's just still butter out there, so that's that's a great comparison for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, he's fun to watch, and he just looks like I mean, he stoner's not even that old. What is he? Like 33, 34.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he's a 92. Yep.

SPEAKER_01

And it's he just looks like a caveman out there, just a hockey player through and through. Like, that's a guy you're gonna win some playoff hockey games with. Like, they just always have that look when he takes his bucket off. He's got like a little bald spot up top, but he's still got long hair. It's like fucking right, Stoner. Fuck it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he's and he's not worried about that bald spot either. Well, when the cames off doesn't a lot of guys would be very self-conscious about it. Maybe guys would even be sliding over the pond to get that job done in Turkey, but he just embraces it. He'll sit in the penalty box with his dome piece off for two minutes, and he's not even he knows it's there, he's wearing it with pride.

SPEAKER_01

He's like, Fuck you guys do this thing.

SPEAKER_00

Most guys would be looking at you know, Garrett Rank or Wes McClay. Hey, fella, fella, get me my fucking bucket, you know. It's a little insecure here. No, he's just fucking rocket, he doesn't give a shit. He's got a little cul-de-sac on the top. Yeah, it's it's uh it's cool to see. He's just a hockey player through and through. But also on the other side, the Carolina Hurricanes, man. This team, I know they're a bunch of nerds, but they're a really good cohesive group. And when I saw them play game four in Montreal, that was the best display. And I know Montreal was tired, they ran out of gas, but that was the best display of wall work I've ever seen. Montreal was almost trying to play like Carolina does really aggressive, pinch off the walls, take away the middle, you know, from the outside. But the way that the wingers were just getting the puck off the walls, making no-look plays out of their own end, like to the far dot, even to the near side dot with their forwards, their winger or center slashing across. I mean, it was no-look play after no-look play, right on the tape, even in the neutral zone when you know Montreal was overcommitting and getting outside the dots. It was right into the middle of the ice. It was odd man rush after odd man rush, Blake, Stankhoven, Hall. You forget how many good players they've added over the years, too. Like Nikolai Ehlers is nasty, man. He's nasty, and that you know takes a lot of pressure off a guy like Svechnikov or some of these guys that you know played higher up in the lineup before, but now they can kind of relax a little bit and they just have that depth. And this team, man, I don't know if they have the juice and the mojo to get it done against a team like Vegas, but in terms of just a cohesive group, I've never seen a team snap it like that that late in playoffs. It was clinical, man. Montreal had no answer. Their course that game, they probably spent 10 10% of the game in Carolina's defensive zone. Like Montreal was never on the attack, it was they silenced the entire building, they were just on their heels the entire time. It was like almost sad to watch. You're like a Montreal fan. You're like, I know. It's never a good sign when the the Bell Center, the loudest cheer of the night, is on a three-on-five penalty kill because you get you've iced the puck. Like it's just that's never good if that's the biggest cheer at the Bell Center.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. I mean, and and I mean, good for Montreal, they had a good season, but boy, did they get us exposed at the end of it. I I I know they ran out of gas, but yeah, they got exposed. Uh what did you think about Lane Hudson in the end of that? Because wasn't wasn't Mike Matheson kind of playing more minutes than Lane Hudson at the end of this series, and I don't know if Lane Hudson was injured, he was just kind of he might have been breaking down a little bit.

SPEAKER_00

I think he was breaking down, I think, and especially the way he plays too, Ozzo, when you're up and down the sheet and you're east west, board to board, goal line to goal line. I mean, that takes a lot out of you. And when you're playing with that big of a motor, and especially later in that series too, when he was trying to force it a little bit to get his team back, you know, you're trying to do too much. You're you're trying to go every shift. I mean, even like a guy like Daryl Sador once told me when he was coaching me in the Chicago Wolves, he looked at me, he's like, Schmaltz, you can't go every shift. And what he meant by that is you can't lug the mail every shift and try to go end to end. You're you're gonna run out of steam, you have to pick your spots. So that's where I think Lane Hudson ran out of gas. So he was doing too much because he cares so much and wanted his team to get over the hump of the beast of Carolina. He physically just ran out of steam, and Mike Matheson was more of a obviously a calming presence. He's always played a steady two-way game, leaning towards the defensive side, less movement out there. So, yeah, to answer your question in a in a long form, I I simply just think he ran out of 87 on Letted, my friend, and that was kind of it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's kind of what I saw too. A little bit like Quinn Hughes does sometimes. It's like, yeah, you gotta give these guys rest sometimes, or else they're gonna break down. Like they're not robots, they're and and when they're playing that much regular season, too. It's like fuck, not gonna go through playoffs. There's just gotta be a happy medium there. And then I mean, who would have seen too to go back to the Carolina Hurricanes, Drodo? Who would have seen? Because I always look, I don't know about you, but after every game, I just I like checking time on ice just to see who like leads who who's the coach thrown out to the most, you know, who leads time on ice. That probably means you know, this guy played the best, and throughout these playoffs, Carolina's been playing Keandra Miller. That's their that's their that's their top D. That's their top D right now. And they got Jacob Slavin on the team, both Americans. Jacob Slavin's the Olympian, but it certainly seems like Keandra Miller's their number one defenseman right now.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he he certainly is. He's I mean, the and now he's starting to reap the the mainstream wave of it's always funny, Oslo. Like the guy's played really well all playoff. He's actually had a really sneaky good year, too, in the regular season. But isn't it always funny when one person in the media in the at this time it was Wayne Gretzky, 99, said how good Keandre Miller's been in this series in all playoffs, and then they obviously hear 99 say that, and then everyone jumps on the Keandre Miller train. Like he's been here the whole time, he's been a really good defenseman throughout the playoffs. He's been, like you said and alluded to, their number one defenseman. I just always think it's so funny when media really didn't give him any recognition for the first two and a half rounds, and then a guy like Wayne Gretzky, probably the greatest player of all time, says something, and then it's like they're on their knees just sucking Keandre Miller's bench. So it's like, yeah, I I get it, but he's been great. And the thing is, also, too, if you look at you speaking about Carolina and their minutes, none of their defensemen play over like 22 a night, they're like 20, 21.

SPEAKER_01

Like that's they're all right around that, yeah. And they're all fresh, you know. They're all fresh, none of them look tired or bagged out there or worn down. They all look fresh, they all look good. So that's certainly gonna help coming into this. I just don't think Vegas is that beat down either.

SPEAKER_00

Like, like, how good has Gossip Spear been?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, unbelievable. It's like this guy's still doing it. He's also got his buddy. No, they that was a different team. Um, Mark Jankowski. He played for Providence, I think, won the national championship after got a spear. Yep. Um, he's been playing well too. I mean, out of nowhere. Like, he was he I remember watching that kid when he got out of college, I don't know, 10 years ago. I was like, Oh, he's probably gonna be in the American League pretty soon.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean he was a first-round pick the same year I was like two or three slots before me. And I remember at the draft, there were like the the insiders and the experts were like, Oh, this kid's a little bit of a stretch, he's coming out of Montreal. He played prep school, and then he goes obviously to Calgary, works his way up through the minor leagues, has a pretty good run there. And then Oswald, like two years ago, he was in Milwaukee, he was playing in the jungle, and he had to work himself all the way back to the show, and now he's playing third line, fourth line, he's playing second power play. He's been really good. Carolina is so good at finding those players that other teams, for whatever reason, just let go. Like, how dumb was it of Steve Eiserman and the Detroit Red Wings to let go of Shane Gossespare after he had a 60-point season? Like, you couldn't pay that guy four million dollars, and then Carolina swoops up and pays him, you know, just a shade under four for four years. They get him, they get stank of it on a team-friendly deal. Ealers doesn't break the bank. Then you have a guy like Jackson Blake locked up long term for you know minimal money for how his produce just production, Taylor Hall to a former MVP. If you look at their team and and the makeup of it, it's like they've gotten some really good players at Nordstrom Rack that were just kind of hanging around that other teams just let go for nothing.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, they've capitalized on that. And you gotta feel happy for a guy like Rob Brindemore. I mean, that guy's you know, you always respect him, and I'm happy he's he's back in the NHL, the Stanley Cup finals. Um, because didn't he win it with him as a player? Yep, hasn't been back as a coach, but now he's back as a coach, so you're happy for him. Yeah, I mean, they're a great team, they're a great team. I just I still for whatever reason there's that lurking, yeah. There's that there's that thing in the air that's just like uh I don't feel confident about them.

SPEAKER_00

I know, yeah, and especially going against the beast, too, of the bad boys of the Vegas Gold Knights, everything that they have. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. I I'm I'm curious to see what it goes back to Vegas as. Is it one one? Is it two nothing Vegas? Is it two nothing Carolina? I mean, that's a hard building to play in, and that style Vegas has not seen a style like this. It's shot volume, it's throw it in your face, it's go to work, it's very demanding, it's all over the place, it's young legs, it's and it's kind of matched up against the veteran chess players that just snuck themselves into the playoffs and all of a sudden got some mojo going and they're ready to go. So, yeah, it's um I think it's gonna come down to the goaltending. I really do. I I think the Carolina Hurricanes is as good as Dobush played, he ran out of steam a little bit. They haven't seen a guy kick like this either when they need a timely save on the other hand of the Vegas Gold Knights.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I guess Freddie Anderson's save percentage is 931. That's pretty good.

SPEAKER_00

But he's also facing 15 a night. Like no shots. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01

I know. Carter Hart's at 924.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I just trust him more right now for some reason. I just trust him.

SPEAKER_00

I do too. Yeah, like so gun to your chin. Vegas is your pick, but how many games, fella?

SPEAKER_01

I think six.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's kind of what I'm le 4-2.

SPEAKER_01

That's my guess.

SPEAKER_00

4-2, yeah. Maybe 1-1 leaving Carolina. Vegas gets two at home. Maybe they so that would be 3-1-4. That'd be a 3-1 and then go back. Yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I like that. That I like that too. I'd be happy with that. Like, when you look at Carolina, Dorotho, who is their best player? Like, who is it? You gotta take one guy off the team. Who are you taking?

SPEAKER_00

They're just so committee driven. Like, you forget about Jarvis. You you you forget about, and he's a penalty killer too. He's really good. He's really good. If I'm picking one player on the Carolina Hurricanes, that's so tough. Ealers, I think. I think I think I'm going Ealers or Stank oven, but I maybe maybe stanky. Maybe I think it's stay. I'm going stanky.

SPEAKER_01

I'm going probably stanky. That's what I would pick.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think I'm going to. I mean, he's got nine goals.

SPEAKER_01

It's close. It's not like it's not like Vegas, where you're like, you're taking you're taking ike.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. No, I I think it's stank oven. That's and that's a winger, too, right? It's not even a centerman. So that's a little different. Because matchup wise, you No, you'd you'd like your best player to be a center or a D. Yeah. We're taking a winger. So that's yeah, I don't know. I mean, they have a ton of good wingers. That's a thing. In Carolina, they've they're all kind of like the same kind of player.

SPEAKER_01

He he's got to be one of the best third line centers in the league.

SPEAKER_00

For sure. I mean, Bill Carlson, I mean, he's in he's so good on the defensive side of the pocket. Yeah. They're scratching.

SPEAKER_01

The middle of Vegas is fucking terrifying.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And they're D, too. Like if they get that Dylan Croglin kid that was in the minors the whole year, I mean, what a series he had against Colorado. He scores to open up the series. And then he has the game clinching assist to Cole Smith in front of the cage to make it 2-0, which was ultimately the game winner against Colorado in game four. So if you're looking at just contributions and then look at even Vegas' fourth line center, I mean it's Nikki Dowd. Is he the best fourth line center in the league? I would say yes.

SPEAKER_01

Right now, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00

For sure, right?

SPEAKER_01

It certainly looks like there's just whatever reason about Nikki Dowd, it just looks like he's trying harder than everyone else out there.

SPEAKER_00

So hard.

SPEAKER_01

Whenever he's out there, he's trying harder than anyone else.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he it just it looks like it's just very hard work for him to get from the goal line to the top of the circles. And he does battle though.

SPEAKER_01

He is I do not want to, I do not you do not want to find yourself in a corner battle with that guy. No trying to pick a puck out of there, like fuck. He's he's he's relentless.

SPEAKER_00

He's just one of those guys too. You just know tries way too hard in practice.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, way too hard. He's going hard in summer. You're getting pissed off at him like, buddy, fucking July. Yeah, out of my face. He's going that hard.

SPEAKER_00

I've been in those skates with him. Yes, it does suck. He's going way too hard. That's all he knows. Yeah, that that they're gonna be tough to beat, man. They they really are, and especially with the mojo with torts and the confidence he's given Carter Hart. I'm I'm interested to see how this goes. So we got a great series coming up. Azo also, too, just wanted to touch on it. The ball has been pretty good. The association. I know we don't have a ton of NBA fans here. Most of them rightfully so, call NBA guys soft, pussies, woke, this and that. But the NBA playoffs have been pretty good. That it was a nice game seven last night. Uh OKC and the Spurs.

SPEAKER_01

That was fun.

SPEAKER_00

And then we got Spurs in New York, man. I mean, that city, New York City, is gonna be buzzing, dude. Buzzing. Like, I remember talking to someone in New York City when we had a show there in late April, and I was like, if you're looking at New York sports, and every team is in the final or wins, what's the biggest one? Yankees, obviously, you got Giants, Jets, you got Rangers, Islanders, those don't really matter, but you also have the Mets, which again don't matter either. But they were saying that it if the New York Knicks win or won, that that is the that's the biggest one, which is crazy over the Yankees, and that was like the general consensus from from all the New Yorkers.

SPEAKER_01

Was it really? Yeah, I would have thought the Yankees, but they yeah, I've heard I've heard because they haven't won in so long. I mean, when's the last time the Knicks have won? I know they've won one, what was it like 50, 60 years ago or something?

SPEAKER_00

I think it was like 60 years ago, yeah. I think the last time they were in the final was with like John Starks, Patty Ewing, but they never won.

SPEAKER_01

So oh, I just they got a chance. I thought if the Thunder won, they would kind of roll over the Knicks, but the Spurs team is young. Um, it's just you gotta get past that fucking alien Wemby. I mean, if you don't like watching basketball, I get it, but if you like sports, you gotta turn on these Spurs games with this Wemby, this Wembin Yama. I mean, he is it's hilarious watching him, Jordan. Doesn't he look like he's human out there? You're like, what is this guy? He's any and he can shoot threes, he's shooting from the logo.

SPEAKER_00

This guy's nuts, he's not even a human. Uh so he did that trip with the monks where he spent three weeks in silence, he was dribbling a basketball up a mountain for like 14 hours straight. Nothing about this guy makes sense. I'm pretty sure he was just built in a petri dish in a lab somewhere. He actually lists his height, he tries to as shorter than he is. I mean, just nothing about this guy makes sense. And you know, it wasn't like a legacy game for him. A lot of his teammates did step up in that game seven, but he still had a smooth 22 piece. He looked good, he got through, and you know, San Antonio, just the organization in general, has been such a well-oiled machine, uh, no diddy, for the last 20-30 years with Greg Popovich and just their scouting staff. So it's it's a great organization, and they always recruit, and it just seems like they always get these guys that that aren't knuckleheads, doesn't it seem like that? Yeah, it's like yes, they get they get the respectable, you know, just dogs that want to play basketball, not the guys that are in it for the Cuban link change and the bad bitches, and yes, they stay out of trouble.

SPEAKER_01

They're like the the good, they're like the Yankees of uh of the NBA, a little bit, you know. They just they're there for basketball, the women are fat, you know, in the crowd. Chuck says it all the time. You're not there for the women. No, food's probably some good Mexican food outside of that, probably not much. Yes, you're there to win basketball games.

SPEAKER_00

That city sucks. Oh my god. Oh, it's brutal. The two years that I was there on the and I love when Chuck says that ain't a river. The talk about the riverbog, that's a dirty old creek. All those good, beautiful, bad, he's always says the good, beautiful, fat women of San Antonio eating churros. That's exactly what it is. That city sucks, but the basketball, the games are fun to go to. But holy shit, man, that city is just fucking fat, ugly, and I don't know what you do with that city. You might just blow it up. You know, it's like one of the top five or six biggest cities in the US.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I just saw that. I just saw a list of the the most populous cities in the U.S. and San Antonio is up there. I was like, what that many people in San Antonio? Because the downtown is not it's not like a big city downtown.

SPEAKER_00

No, it's just so spread out that there's you know you drive 30 miles any direction, and they still consider it San Antonio, and it's just like the shitty old, you know, it's like an outlet mall or a big shopping area, and it's the same shit. It's you know, H E B, which is the grocery store, and then you got a Costco, probably right next to it, a Bucky's, another gas station, and then like a beef jerky factory where everyone goes and just farts and picks up some jack lynx. Like, it's disgusting, man. It really is. It's gross, and then there's like some shitty Mexican place. Oh that place sucks. That was the place that was the place that was my car got broken into. Like I was there for four months, it got broken into three times. I'm like, at this point, just fucking steal it. Like, I didn't want it.

SPEAKER_01

Take it, fucking take it.

SPEAKER_00

Breaking my back window every guy every other week, finding nothing in there, and then just leaving the glass everywhere. It's like, Jesus Christ, what is it? What's up with this city?

SPEAKER_01

Just leave the doors and windows open next time. They won't break.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that place, man. It's uh I got a special bone to pick with Man Antonio.

SPEAKER_01

That place is just yeah, I know, but that would be cool to be in New York for these games for sure.

SPEAKER_00

Do you see those court those courtside tickets were going for like 300,000?

SPEAKER_01

300 for I saw 500k for what? Like, who so you're telling me when I watch this game, like a celebrity can't afford a $500,000 ticket, right? Like that's like a billionaire or something.

SPEAKER_00

That's a billionaire, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, like $500,000? Like an actor, like they're not they don't even have enough money to buy that ticket, right? Like, no chance.

SPEAKER_00

No, like Timothy Chalet, no, no, but I think what those like real celebrities do is they have deals with Dolan and Madison Square Garden where they'll probably come to an agreement agreement of we'll give you these tickets at face value just because we want the clout in there, you know what I mean. So if the if the face value is 20,000 on the wood for the final, they'll pay that, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I was wondering if it was like an agent deal, like you know, call her call up RE gold and tell him, Hey, like, buddy, if you actually like me, you'll get me these tickets to the next game. But I I I can't even see an agent dropping 500k on no these tickets, you know. But yeah, you might be right, they might like those, they want those people in there because there's always celebrities at Knicks games, and I saw those tickets, and I was like, What are these celebrities gonna be sitting off the front row? Like, yeah, I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_00

I know that was a crazy thing, too. And we when I was in in Diddy Wood and I went to that Theo Vaughn show, we obes is good buddies with Connolly, and we were just we hung out with him afterwards, it was cool. And then, like, two nights later, I was like, Yeah, that was cool. I was you know, I've met him before, whatever. And then two nights later, he's on the wood with Leo at the Lakers game. I'm like, all right, that's you know, that's it's a little cooler than hanging out with Jay Swish and Shane O'Brien, but you know, I thought we were, you know, made him laugh at least a little bit.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, it's like a good time with you guys, but yeah, I'm gonna go uh go hang out with Leo. He's got Lee. Hey, he's got Leo on the calendar the same week he's got Swish, yeah, Obi. Yeah, that's pretty nails. Um, I didn't know how long like Connolly's been in LA for. I thought like he's like a true, he's like a child actor there with like Leo, wasn't he, or something?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, yes, yes, he was. Yeah, that's exactly they've known each other for 35 years.

SPEAKER_01

That's pretty sick, like they're just buddies.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, they came up through Hollywood together, and like when Leo was getting all of his early gigs, like Titanic, I forget what else he did. Connolly was like 30 years old, and he had been grinding for different roles, different auditions, never got anything. He was ready to hang it up. He got to LA when he was 18, and like at 31 or 32, that entourage deal came in and he auditioned. He got the role for E, and the rest is history, man. That's crazy, isn't it? It's just crazy how everyone, no matter what walk of life you're in, it's not necessarily the same time as your buddy's time. But you're you're you're all gonna have your time if you stay at it long enough, but a lot of people quit.

SPEAKER_01

A lot of people quit a lot of people stop before they're there, and yeah, it's just right around the corner. It's like that meme you always see of that guy that that miner like digging, and he turns around and the pot of gold's right on the other side. Yeah, it's and that's the one thing when you're like you know, I'm sure he's sitting there and he's probably comparing himself to Leo too, and he's like, Fuck, like, what the fuck's wrong with me and stuff? And yeah, it's never you never know when you're gonna when you're gonna get that chance. And like, I don't know how much money is he still making from Entourage. Like, I still watch that show, and I've seen it 10 times.

SPEAKER_00

A hundred percent. Yeah, I mean, that literally made his entire career, you know. Like, it's just it's crazy. Like, was entourage? I mean, I in the height of Entourage, was it the biggest show at its time, or was it just the biggest show amongst us dude, dudes like us that wanted to live that life at 15? You know, we're like, Rock, if we make the NHL, this is how we want to do it.

SPEAKER_01

It's for sure the biggest show among guys like us, yeah. Yeah, uh, I don't know how big it was. Like, I know it was huge. I mean, they made a movie. I mean, they you don't make movies about TV shows unless a TV show is massive. Um, and you also HBO doesn't go eight seasons if it's not big either, right? So it had to have been really big. Like, not many TV shows make it eight seasons and a movie. I mean, that's big time.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, no, I I I definitely I think it was it was I was just curious.

SPEAKER_01

Like, I was like I'd be curious to see those contracts, Jordo. Like, you know, all those like those friends actors, how much money they still make off the show and like Seinfeld. I wonder what that looks like for entrage, or if their deals were different, or if like one of the actors kind of signed a shitty deal. Uh yeah, fun to see those numbers.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think they were, I don't know. Uh I forget like the last couple seasons when they were bringing in real cheddar. I don't know if it was like a million in an episode, or I mean you can look it up, I don't know if it was 500, but it was somewhere between 500 and a million, I think, per episode. So that's when they were making like their real cheddar. I think season one and two, they might have started off like 50 grand an episode. But I remember asking them like that night, too. I was like, How long did it take to film one episode? And they said he said like five to seven days, it would just grind it out, grind it out.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that's crazy! And you know, they're in the killed it though. That show is flawless.

SPEAKER_00

I know, yeah. Doug Ellen, he wrote the entire thing. Pretty crazy. So sick, so sick, but also in other news, it was announced a couple weeks ago, but we went off. Joseph Chestnut had a scare. He was uh involved in a bar fight outside of Indianapolis. Sounds like he slapped a man, and that man took offense, or I guess not a liking to Joey's love tap, and ultimately was ordered some probation. Uh, but good news. Uh the 4th of July is saved. The judge in the local county there in Indianapolis ruled that Joseph Chestnut will be able to travel to Coney Island for the 4th of July. Uh, so we had a little bit of a scare there for all the dog lovers and ball knowers. Uh Joey Chestnut will be going for his 18th, 18th win at Nathan's hot dog eating competition. So uh Joey Chestnut sounded like he was just absolutely licked, ended up slapping a dude that maybe was asking for a picture or an autograph, and uh found himself in hot water once the other individual found out who he was. So uh Joey, ankle bracelet on, will be in the guts of Coney Island showing out for the people of America.

SPEAKER_01

Must have just been so buckled or something, just got snappy with the guy. The guy must have deserved it though. It was for a slap. Like you actually get thrown in you get thrown in jail or prison for slapping someone nowadays. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, uh, I guess it's such a loose term. Like, how hard did he slap them? Was it open hand? Was it backhand? Yeah, how much sauce did it have on it? There's just so many questions I have for Joey, but it's good to see Joseph worked in good faith with the community of Indianapolis and because that a lot of shit happens in that city, man. Like, let look at Mark Sanchez, he fucking almost killed a guy.

SPEAKER_01

Something about that city, man. I gotta I gotta stay away from Indy.

SPEAKER_00

Jesus Christ. Yeah, don't go to Indy with the with the fight strap off. You might end up in some real hot weather.

SPEAKER_01

What's the story on Sanchez? Is he is he out of that, or is he still kind of battling?

SPEAKER_00

I don't know on Mark Marcus. I'm not sure. I mean, he's definitely laying low. I don't I don't know what criminal charges or if he's gonna go to jail. I haven't heard anything on that front. The best part about Mark Sanchez and what he did was two weeks later it was Thanksgiving, and he posted a picture of his family on Instagram, didn't turn the comments off, actually pretty nails. So he let people just absolutely roast them, and he just the caption was something along the lines of there's a lot to be thankful for, and he just had everyone just roasting them in his comments, like bro, you can turn those off if you're really gonna post a picture. I thought that was pretty good. All press is good.

SPEAKER_01

Press, it is, it is, you know. I wasn't talking about Mark Sanchez before that.

SPEAKER_00

No, I wasn't. I I kind of forgot who he was, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, great quarterback, great quarterback.

SPEAKER_00

How many guys do you think bring their golf clubs this year, fully knowing we are not golfing? I mean, we had two or three that one year in Nashville. I are we over the point of of selling the golf trip. I I think we're all mature enough now, right? It's like ah, we're just gonna want in to drink, it's Chicago.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, maybe maybe the maybe we can just be more honest about it now. Yeah, maybe one set. Yeah, one set. It'd be so funny to see a couple of guys coming with them.

SPEAKER_00

It'd be great. Yep, it would it would be really funny. I I always enjoyed. I was just thinking about bringing my own wrenches to the trip because a lot of times I just bring my clubs to places and I don't even end up using them. I remember like two years ago where I brought them to Edmonton. We were supposed to do a sandbagger up there, didn't play, brought them through Vegas because we hot routed to Vegas for a night, and then ended up here and my wrenches lugged like 5,000 miles and flying around with wrenches. How big is that? I'm in like four different airports. I gotta pick up my wrenches, and I have not played around.

SPEAKER_01

They never left the bag.

SPEAKER_00

No, they never left the heart, and you know, you some of you take them out all the time, and your fucking putter is like bent and half. Oh, yeah, it's the worst.

SPEAKER_01

It's the worst. That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_00

It is the worst, but Azzo, we're gonna get to this week's People's Insider term of the week, fella. I don't think I've used this one, but folks, this week's People's Insider term of the week is a unique one, and here it is. This week's People's Insider term of the week is Inter League. Now, before you call me an absolute douchebag and say I'm some frat guy, this and that, I'm 48 years old. I'm pretty much out of the game, as it is. But Ozzo, there is one thing for all the younger sailors out there, and especially guys that travel in and around North America. And especially at this time of year, when bachelor trips get going, you have golf trips, you're just kind of buzzing all over the place. Hockey players, you finally got a little time to travel, the sun is out, you're popping and weaving and going to different spots. So whether you're going on vacation, you're going north to Canada to enjoy maybe the Grand Prix weekend. Maybe you're just going up to Toronto to see a concert at Budweiser Amphitheater. Or maybe you're going down into the guts of Mexico, going to Cabo or Tulum. I don't know what you're doing, but if you're a single guy, we call this inner league. Now, inner league Azzo is referred to in layman's terms as playing in a different league, playing out of jurisdiction. If you're in the National League, well, the American League, there's two sides of the coin in baseball. Now we're talking baseball. This is that. So when you step out of your own realm, you step out of your own league. And if you're an American kid and you're going up to Canada or you're going down to Mexico, it's considered inner league. It's the same game of baseball, yet, hey, we're in a different country here, man. We got to play a little bit different ball. In the old days, well, pitchers they couldn't hit in the American League. The National League, you had to bat. So you have to adjust your game accordingly, depending on where you're going. Inner league, usually only a couple weeks out of the summer, you get to play it. So you have to take advantage of it. You have to realize that there's a different set of rules, it's a little bit different of a game, but the same time you're playing the same sports. So, Oswald, this is this week's People's Insider term of the week, despite it being baseball. My friend, you're stepping out to a different league and you have to adjust to the diamond you're playing in accordingly.

SPEAKER_01

I love that one. I haven't heard that one, Giardo. I'm actually it's interly.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we're playing Interly this week, fellas. Uh, what does that mean? Uh yeah, we're slide to a different country. It's still baseball, but uh we're playing a different game this week, fellas.

SPEAKER_01

Still baseball, different, different fields, different rules a little bit, but we know what we gotta do.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So that is this week's People's Insider term of the week. Azzo Stanley Cup final starting up Tuesday. We got the basketball association starting up, I believe, Wednesday. I have to check the books there. I'm I'm sure they're not doing it on the same night, but and then we got the golf trip, the hardest three days in sports looking at us right down the chin. Last, I'll ask on that front, Paul Ledou, uh confirmed, not booked. Did you see any of these guys this past weekend? Shane Gershic, um, do we have any members um that you've been boots on the ground with and have had chin-to-chin conversation with?

SPEAKER_01

I haven't seen any of them. Um last I heard Gersich coming in Friday.

SPEAKER_00

Nice.

SPEAKER_01

I actually did talk to Dewey today. It's Sunday, May 31st, and Dewey told me he's unsure on what he's gonna do. Nice, so I told him you didn't have to tell me that. I was gonna ask you on Wednesday because I know you haven't you haven't made up your mind until Wednesday every single year, all 10 years. Yep, so it'd be it's a waste of time for me to ask you what you're up to until Wednesday, and that's when I'll check on him. Um, but no, I haven't seen any of them. I think Gersh's coming in Friday. I know um, unfortunately, Luke Johnson is out, he's got prior commitments up north, I think. And then um, yeah, Tomer, Tomer's uh I don't know if he's gonna be able to pull it off. Soul train, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, it's and Kajula will be missed as well. But he's we understand that Kajula is one out of three, right? He just plays too hard and ends up hurting himself. Um, we've seen him on stretchers, we've seen him leave the ice, we've seen him at parties. Uh, we know he will be back. So um, young Drake, if you are listening to this, we uh we'll keep you in our thoughts. Ste, I saw him, he was down here in AZ for a couple weeks. I think he's back in Madison now, but it was it was good seeing him. I don't know, it was funny. He was thinking he was gonna fly from Madison to Chicago, and Nick's like, dude, just drive with me. Like, you don't you're gonna fly to yeah, what is that like?

SPEAKER_01

Isn't that like two hours?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, I'm saying, yeah, it's probably like a it's like it's like a 22-minute flight. But the thing is you land at O'Hare and then you could get you could get stuck in traffic, and now it's another hour and a half, so you might as well just drive at the right time. It's gonna be you know even quicker.

SPEAKER_01

It's like two hours driving, isn't it, or something like that?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, yeah, it's like two hours, maybe.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you gotta drive. You got I mean, I thought about it, but then it's gonna be nice to hop on that bird Sunday. Like it's six like you're coming from Minneapolis, you got a six hour drive. Drive like that's that six hour drive on Thursday, easy. Six hour drive on Sunday.

SPEAKER_00

Oh that sucks.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you might think about putting her in the ditch.

SPEAKER_00

No, you would for sure. Yeah, you round the you round 94 right around Toma, and you just said uh the like just take the Wisconsin Dells, just take me out. I'll run right into the fucking Kalahari. I don't give a shit. That toilet bowl.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's the nice thing about driving, though. You got a chance to stop it in the you know Wisconsin Dells, maybe hit a few water slides.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, grabbing some beers.

SPEAKER_01

Grab some beers on the way down and hit some water slides, be so sick.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah. Oh, give yourself a concussion on the master blaster and just head out. Yeah, not even thinking perfectly. Oh man, that's great. Well, Azzo, always fun going tape to tape with you, brother. We will see you in the chin of Shy Town Thursday, ladies' night in the guts, meat and cheese night. Uh hits a little different when bark time's five in the morning in Chicago. So uh it's just funny uh trying to line up a dinner or something. You know, he's still 10 years later, just not ready for the dinner yet. But eating is cheating, as we know. So Ozzo, that was episode 120, live and five, with the captain Gage Ozzo Osmus, Jay Swish. Folks, you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. We out, baby. Woo!