Episode 121: Running The Red

A new episode with Jordan Schmaltz & Gage Ausmus.

This week the fellas get into: 

- Golf Trip Recap

- Mike Babcock is back talking in 3rd person

- Around The National

- North Dakota Recruits

- NHL Draft Weekend

- People's Insider Term of the Week

 && much more !!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Alrighty, folks. Welcome back to another episode of Live and Five, baby. Episode 121. We are back, baby. We are back in the saddle. The Captain Gage Ozo Osmus. And yours truly, Jack of All Trades, Master of None, Jay Swish. Reporting live from the oven here in beautiful Scottsdale, Arizona. The Captain, what's going on, brother? We are back at it. My God, you had an absolute runner. I had an absolute runner. First off, how are we feeling? You went from the golf trip to Cabo. Now you're back. I believe you had a weekend at the Kitschie Cup. So three and four, like you read about the I think the month of June is always the hardest month on the liver in terms of uh our schedules, just because we still have guys that still play hockey that we're friends with. It kind of just all just gets parlayed into this June or July. And then you got a few weddings. So how are we feeling, Cap? Um, take us back even after the golf trip into Cabo, and then you wrote it out at the Kitchen Cup. I want to hear all about it, baby.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Yeah, yeah, it's been uh it's been a long three weeks, a fun three weeks. Jordo, you had a long three weeks too. I did. Um yeah, I I'm happy it's over, to be honest. You know, you're always happy it's over, you're happy during it. Leading up to it, you're a little anxious about it. Um, but when you're in the thick of it, it's always a great time. And I just, you know, when I'm when I'm at my age now, Jordo, I just don't have the conditioning I used to, you know, coming in. So I think, you know, my my weekend in Chicago, I had a ton of fun, but my conditioning just wasn't there. I had to get my feet underneath me, and then you know, I get to Cabo, I kind of I learned my limits a little bit, and and I can kind of by the way, Cabo's an unbelievable place.

SPEAKER_00 1:57

I mean I've never been, yeah. I've I've Nikki's been there a bunch. I've never been.

SPEAKER_01 2:01

Oh fuck, it's it's just prime time down there. Yeah, Mexico's a whole different place. I mean, we if we scheduled a golf trip down there, I it'd be it'd be sketchy because yeah, we might lose someone. It seems like there's no rules there, so great time there, and then Kitchy Cup was up.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Was that uh go ahead? Was Mexico as big of a bender as the golf trip, or was it kind of just like steady drinking couples? Like, what was did you have a couple days to recover in between?

SPEAKER_01 2:31

Yeah, I had well, I I had Sunday and Monday to recover, and then I left Tuesday. Tuesday was the first day of the trip. We got there at three o'clock. It was that was that was insane. So I mean I basically slept the whole way because I was still tired from Chicago for sure.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Um but the I mean I was I was hung till like Thursday that week, so I was just curious.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Oh, yeah. I mean, and and by the way, I mean, well done on the Chicago trip. I'm I'm going all over this place because I had so many weekends, but Jordo the the Wrigley game, um, the boat, that was just an unbelievable tenth year. Um so thanks for putting that on and scheduling that and setting up. Always great to see those boys, but yeah, and then Cabo and then Kitchy Cup up north finished it off. And I would say, you know, on the golf trip scale, you know, you go from level, it's like a roller coaster, and then I'm in Chicago all the way up here, and then you're kind of riding the wave down a little bit, like you never actually reach that first weekend um excitement and jitters just because you've you you just been there and yeah, um, you're a little tired, you're a little bang. You're a little tired, you're you're a little worried for your health. You know, you're like, should I be doing this? You know, should I just be eating kale and drinking juice instead of this Miller Light or this Corona on this beach? But then you're like, you're I'm in Mexico, I'm gonna drink a corona or Pacifico because I'm in Mexico and Kenny Chesme would want me to, right? So yeah, I mean, we we did some cool things in Cabo, Jordan. We went we went marlin fishing, um, which is unbelievable. Pulling up a marlin saw that looked nasty.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

That was a that was a nice, yeah. I mean, not only did he catch a buzz, but that was a nice looking fish, big fucking eyes, but a nice fucking fish. If I'm gonna quote if I'm gonna quote Martin Lawrence from Bad Boys, yeah, and um yeah, and then I mean Kitchy Cup.

SPEAKER_01 4:29

We went up north Minnesota to the that wilderness in the quarry giorno, and god, those courses are so fucking sick for being in Minnesota. They are they're about as nice as you can get public track. I mean, there's a few nicer ones, obviously, but also a great trip. I'm I'm happy it's over this weekend. I got nothing coming up. I'm pretty excited to just stay home, get some work done. Um, but then I do have a wedding on July 3rd, Jordo.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

So of course, you're back into it. What do you mean? Right back to July. Yeah, who ended up winning the Kitchy Cup this year?

SPEAKER_01 5:03

Gersh and John.

SPEAKER_00 5:05

Wow. So Gershish, was that his first year he came into the Kitchy Cup?

SPEAKER_01 5:09

First year he came in. All these first year guys just come in and win it. I don't know how. I mean, it's probably just because you know, we're we're not the greatest golfers, and then these guys come in like Gersh is a he's kind of a stick, you know.

SPEAKER_00 5:22

Like he can play well, yeah, he can play well.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

Yeah, and he were playing a scramble match, like he's playing well out there. John's saving him when he's not. Um, so he was a tough out. He beat us.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

Was Chiswick at the Kitchy Cup? Because I know he's played a few.

SPEAKER_01 5:36

Chiswick was not there this year, but he has been there. I think I think it was only one year, Jordo, and he won and he won it in and out with John again.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

So Simo is it kind of just picks up PTO like players, he just hits the waiver wire and picks up the best stick he can find, it seems like. And in a scramble, Simo. I mean, he could put it together. He's like a sneaky, a sneaky player, you know, like a sneaky 10 cap. Like he he's respectable.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Is he still putting with one one arm on the rod, or is he too two hands on the he's got the putting figured out, okay, which is which is good. He's no longer yips one hand, one hand on the rod is crazy. That was a crazy era, crazy, crazy era.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

Yeah, that was nuts.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

I don't know if I'll ever see that again.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

No, that was nuts. Yeah, I mean, just taking it back even to the golf trip, like that that day on the water with the fellas. I mean, you couldn't have drawn it up any better on the Chelly's boat. Like, that was so sick. The way we were just able to just uh dance out to the playpen with the hit, he had the paddle boards, he had everything for us the food, the booze, and then we were cruising the river. We get dropped off at that Naya spot. I mean, just a photo like finish coming down with the sunset. It was supposed to rain that day, it clears up, it's beautiful. I mean, it was it was awesome, man. Like just hanging there, just telling old war stories. Rico fired up the starting lineup. Uh you couldn't have drawn it up any better, to be honest. Um, that was awesome. Like, that was I would say in the 10 years in golf trip history, for me at least, that was that was one of the better days, I think, in the in the 10 years we've done it. And obviously, it doesn't involve golf, but don't you think, Ozza, like just off the top of your hand, right?

SPEAKER_01 7:13

Like that was it was it was the best because you like the best times of those trips, Jordo, are kind of when we're all around a table or something and we're just shooting the shit, you know?

SPEAKER_00 7:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

Um, and we got to do that in probably, you know, I don't know, one of the top places to do it in America, yes, at that time, you know. Like, are you gonna get a better hot stove than sitting on a boat on that Chicago River, whatever river it is, and Lake Michigan? Like, unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

No, you you literally can't draw it up any better. That I mean, maybe maybe if you had fuck you money, you maybe even say like the Hamptons might come up, you know, close to that. But I'm not a I'm not an East Coast guy.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

Chicago is that even that much better, you know.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

I don't think it is. I don't think it is because you you don't have the Midwest influx, you know, of of what Chicago is all about. The day, you know, in Wrigleyville, that ended up working out too. A little bit of a rain delay, but it helped us out, helped us kick the hangover from Thursday night. Um, yeah, man, it was it was a great time. Uh, the boys, I think, are losing a little bit of steam, but on that note, there are some players still getting better with age. And um, Nick Schmaltz is one of those players. Oh, yeah, that seems to to keep getting better. Um, and I'm gonna say I think I'm getting better still. I I I you know, I I think I my my showing, I I like my bounce back here, right? The year before um wasn't perfect with what I was battling, but um, there's still some of the old veterans that are the savvy guys too, like a Clark Saunders and um some of those guys that just can play no's over the puck and play a heavy game. But it's always funny seeing the boys. We're just we're not old Ozzo, but we're just in that transition phase of you know, guys, a lot of guys, most guys have kids now versus uh where the trip started and um where it's going, and young kids too, right? So you're dealing with um you know, lovelies on the other side that uh have been through recent births and things like that, first time fathers. So I just it's a uh unique time in golf trip history. I think years 10 through probably 15 will be like that, and then it might even ramp up even harder once the kids get a little bit older. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 9:24

I I could definitely see it ramping up once the kids get a little older, and then you're almost shooed out of the house by your wife.

SPEAKER_00 9:31

Yes, rather than like you, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:33

She's like, No, no, that's odd, that's awesome. Go for four days. Yes, no, no, no, two's not enough. Go for four. Once we get to that part, it'll be it'll get back to get back going, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:45

But like they gotta, she's like, please leave. My boyfriend's coming to town, you know.

SPEAKER_01 9:49

Yeah, just make sure if you do come home early, call me.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

Yes, call me. Yes, I I I would like a heads up.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Yeah, uh yeah. Once we get out of that though, I mean the guys are still they're still going, it's just it's not the same.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

Well, it's hard, man. I mean, you gotta go for three days straight all day, all night. Like it's not easy, you know.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

And no, you gotta be an absolute nail gun.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

Yeah, you do, you do, and yeah, but there was it was fun, man. I mean, Stetchi having him back in the mix was awesome. He played hard, he played his guts out, lost his phone one night in an Uber. I think his wallet was gone, so he was playing a heavy game. Um, but it's always fun to seeing the boys. Um different, we're in a different different spot these days with with the triple, see where it goes. Um, I don't know where it's gonna go, but where do we think it's gonna go? I don't know. I I think we would we probably have to offer maybe one round of golf, I would say. Probably, I would say maybe somewhere. I still love the aspect of being able to. I think, man, like if you but if you even look back at the trip, Ozzo, like even in our heavy hitting days, we kind of took the afternoons off. Oh, yeah, we didn't really score it. Yeah, we kind of slept till right to kind of you know we we kind of played for the night, yeah. And I think that's where we lost a little bit of juice because you you have the day shift in Wrigleyville, which becomes just polluted, you become a puddle because it's 10.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

Too many beers in Wrigleyville, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

Right, and then you're trying to rally and you're chasing the dragon up the hill, and it's tough. And then the next day you're on the water all day with the sun, and you're trying to out tancelli and you're drinking tequila, like that's tough to play into the night. So I'm even thinking, like in our early days, man, we used to just play for the night, we would be up till six in the morning, but a lot of times guys would shut it down between you know six to two or three o'clock, and then you start slowly getting after it again and and really timing your drinking. I would argue we're drinking harder now than we were in those first few years. For sure, we're just not as efficient with it.

SPEAKER_01 11:59

Yeah, we're not taking those breaks, we're not, you know. I mean, we're getting we're getting pong games going at I think it was like 9 30 a.m.

SPEAKER_02 12:07

Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

I mean, yeah, I guess it's because we're not staying awake too. You're you said you mentioned that we're not staying awake as late. We're we're kind of more midday guys now. Yeah, um fun to be had there though, too.

SPEAKER_00 12:21

100. Yeah, those those day shifts are arguably better than the nights if you do them right. I mean, for sure, it doesn't it doesn't really beat a matinee in Wrigleyville, like I said, or even when you're on the boat.

SPEAKER_01 12:32

Like that's god, that stadium is just so sick, too. So sick, so cool. Why was it so packed in there, Jordan?

SPEAKER_00 12:40

What was uh Friday afternoon?

SPEAKER_01 12:42

Yeah, it's Friday afternoon, just sold out.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

Yeah, it's the world's biggest bar. I mean, I was just there for my baseball trip too last week. It was awesome. I mean, I had three or four days off. I went to a game in Vegas, game four. Then I went home. Yes, then I went home in Vegas too. Yeah, I went uh Tuesday that week, got home on Sunday, went Tuesday, came back Wednesday, went back out on Saturday for our baseball trip. The baseball trip is just hilarious because you just you just have bubble guts the entire time. You're eating processed food, everything's deep fried, you're eating dogs, brats, yeah, farting all day, drinking. Uh, that's probably my favorite trip of the year, to be honest. I I love the golf trip, but just uh just the old Schmaltz boys getting on that bone rattler and hanging out with those guys, and the old dudes just bitching at each other. You got my grandpa in the mix, he's still there, and then the young boys, me, Nick, and Jake, you know, we still kind of get after it when we can. That trip is just so funny, dude. Staying in like shitty hotels. Oh finally upgraded to the sprinter van this year, which after 13, after 13 years, thank fuck. We were in the prison van before, like we're pulling up to a neighborhood, like a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses. So, like, you know, about to go out and sell some Bibles. So that was cool. Like, but still in the Sprinter van, I will say this look, the luxury was awesome traveling that way. It was awesome. The seats watching the US Open couldn't draw it up any better. But you do get a little bit car sick in that thing when it starts swaying a little bit, it's bouncing around a little more. Yeah, it's top heavy, it's real top heavy. Yeah, so that was the only thing where you get a little bit motion sickness, but it was still so much better than being in the prison van going through the Everglades, and holy fuck, that was a nightmare, you know. The yeah, previous years. Yeah, they growing up.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

The content you were putting out during that trip was just all time. Like, I always wonder, Jordo, because because you're those boys, they're they're not like social media guys, like they're they don't want the camera on them. So I didn't like, do you ever get shit by them like taking content or like because you're pretty selective with it? It'd be awesome if you could watch kind of the whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

Yeah, that's where I I could totally bury them, you know what I mean? Where I I there was so many funny moments, but I just try to do the little sneak peeks, like you know, like my for example, like my dad.

SPEAKER_01 14:58

Like, I set the over-under, I put out like the Tom Clancy books on all time, all time.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

The guys read it all times. I think he he read three books somehow. The over-under on margaritas from Mike Schmaltz was set at 0.5 for the entire trip. We're at Nobu on Tuesday, and he has two, and he's like buckled, he hasn't had two margaritas in one sitting, also, I would say, in the last decade, and I think he only did it to hit the over.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

He knew he knew what the over under was, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

Yeah, like he he had his first one, he ordered one. He's like, The over's gonna hit. Well, I'm like, Well, you haven't drank half of it yet, and then he just dummied it and he looks at my sister because obviously she was in town and she got a one-day PTO for the guy's trip, her first one ever, uh, being on her home soil. And he looks at my sister and he's like, Keebs smashing the over, getting another one. They're going down smooth. I'm like, dude, this guy's gonna be buckled, so it was pretty funny. Um, but yeah, he handled it well. Uh, the booze, it was funny because he literally does not drink he used to he used to in college, though, didn't he? Yeah, yeah, he drank a good amount, I think, in college, and then a little bit after college, and then I think when I was born, he said he got up one day when he was so stung with me, and he's like, I'm never doing that again, yeah. And just kind of just packed her in. And then he'd have the odd margarita every now and then, but for for two, he had two man, like that was pretty sick.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

So it's gotta that's gonna bang you up if you're not a drinker.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

Yeah, so he was he was going. Uh, like grandpa always orders a couple beers. Mark was going that night. Uh it was just funny, like you know, like the amount of f bombs mark drops on a trip like that is I mean, I said I said the over under at 200 266. I think he hit that in one day.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

I love that. Just a guy who's just dropping them, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

Yeah, just always just always so happy, but so pissed at the same time. Like such such a beauty, like he's all time. Just a guy you want the trenches with you. He drove stick handled the whole way, it was awesome. Uh Kansas City, that city is hilarious. They had the World Cup going on there. There was it was actually there was a buzz about it, also. There was a lot of people in town, yeah. It was for Kansas City. Um, you know, you're getting the bubble, you're yeah, you get the bubble guts from the baked beans and the barbecue. But yeah, there was it was buzzing. That that park is sick too. Real, real nice.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

Yeah, it is cool. I've I've I've seen that park, I've been to a game at Arrowhead. Um, it's kind of next to that arrowhead, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Yep, yep, it's right there. So we were there Saturday, Sunday, left Monday morning, and young stung boy, friend of the show, Cam Johnson, was coming into town on Sunday to clinch the his fourth Kelly Cup, and he was asking me on Sunday night if we were going out. I'm like, dude, you gotta play tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

Like, no, you're going out.

SPEAKER_00 17:47

The MVP still won it. Yeah, he's still won. He's like, You guys going out tonight? Uh, we you know, we could pop out for one. I'm like, dude, don't you have a game clinching a series clinching game to win the Kelly Cup tomorrow? Uh, so he's such a beauty, he he never changes. Remember when we had him on and when they were down, I think it was 2-1 to Adirond. No, it was 2-2 with Adirondack, and they were going into Adirondack for game five, and we had him on live from Adirondack.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

He's like, Yeah, he guaranteed a couple wins, didn't he?

SPEAKER_00 18:17

He guaranteed a win. He also was like, Yeah, boys are just going to the casino night. We got we got to loosen up a little bit, a couple beers before the game. I'm like, holy shit.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

Just old, old school hockey players, right there.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Such a legend, one of my favorites. Shout out to those boys, too, Azzo, for winning. Young stung boys' fourth Kelly Cup, three-time MVP, just an absolute legend of the coast, the king of the coast, uh, self-proclaimed, but that is urn too. So, yeah, it was a great trip. Uh, it's definitely I'm gonna I'm gonna chill out this weekend and then uh you think you'll lay low?

SPEAKER_01 18:51

I'm gonna try.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

I'm gonna try. I mean, I I had to fly into Diddywood on Friday after that trip or Thursday night because I had that prize picks event. That's where I met Sugarshane, Sugashne, O'Malley.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

That guy seems cool. You said you you you got the chance to talk to him like a little bit, not just like a flyby, hey, what's up, dude? Good to see you.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Yeah, talked to him for probably five minutes on the after the pickleball game we played him, and yeah, he was a sick, he was sweet, like he wanted nothing to do with that party, you know, with all the influencers and just the just so a guy like him just getting paid to be there. Big bucks, yeah. Yeah, him and his trainer Timmy Welch flew in. They literally just flew in, played the pickleball, left. That's what I did too. I just got out of there, but yeah, he was cool. He was looking to talk to nobody, and I could kind of tell. So I kind of just went up to him and was like, yo, bro, what's up? And just try to be a normal guy. Told him I played hockey. He kind of thought that was cool or whatever. Told him, you know, I'm out in Arizona now as well. Uh, yeah, he was cool, he was real cool. Montana dude, you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

Yeah, yeah. That guy's I'd be a crazy life being an MMA fighter like that in the UFC.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

I mean, I had just sitting next to him 50 pounds on him, and he could touch my chin in a half a second, and I'd be sleeping. It's just crazy to think that.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Imagine running into a guy like that in a bar thinking you're tough. No, and you accidentally like you're dead.

SPEAKER_00 20:12

You're dead. Like, also, I was I think the kids call it frame moging. I was absolutely frame moging him, like I was way bigger than him. And the fact that he could put me to sleep in two seconds, not even a half a second, is insane.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

It's nuts.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

Like, imagine fighting that guy, and you think he's gonna use his hands and he's roundhouse you with a fucking leg kick.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

That's you wouldn't even see it coming.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

That's what you have to worry about. You're like sizing them up, getting your space, and all of a sudden, here comes a roundhouse you got a foot across your face. Oh my god, yeah. It was and his trainer's really intense, too. Timmy, like, are you he's not a guy you fuck with either.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

No, no, that guy seems fucking scary.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Yeah, yeah, those guys were they were nail guns just walking around with their shirts off the whole time. Everyone else is in a fucking Halloween costume. Those guys are just walking.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

Were they people are wearing costumes?

SPEAKER_00 21:03

Well, it looked like it. Yeah, this one dude, I forget his name, is like cheese a holic or something. He's like a TikToker. I had no idea who any of these people were. Like, guys were coming up to me, like swish, like because I was making fun of everybody. They're like, Do you know he's like a TikToker or social media? I'm like, fella, I have no idea who these guys are. Respectfully, of course, I don't I'm not a tick tock, I'm not on TikTok. I don't know who these people are. I'm sorry. Oh, he's like he's like the biggest streamer ever. I'm like, dude, do you think I watch fucking streams? No, I watch real sports, like I don't know who these people are.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

Yeah, but yeah, this one actually watch streams, I can't believe that.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Yeah, so this one streamer dude had also he had an under armor, he had a Nike Pro skull cap on, and then had a hat on like this, and just had a skull cap underneath, and then he had like a Tracy McGrady jersey and like wrestling shoes on all the way up to almost like his mid cap. I was like, Who is this guy?

SPEAKER_01 21:54

Yes, kind of sick, though, just wear costumes everywhere, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:58

And then there's like sick. There's dudes walking around with legit, like not like the man purses, like legit purses, like Louis Vuitton purses.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

I mean, it was that shit. It was, yeah, it was strange. I just I was just chirping everybody. They were probably chirping me too, because I was in a referee shirt, but uh yeah, it was it's it's weird out there, bro. It's it's weird. You know, you know who was there was uh actually cool too, was Jamie Foxx. He was cool, but other than that, yeah, he was cool.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

I got Jamie out. Remember, wasn't he wasn't Jamie like almost dead a couple years ago?

SPEAKER_00 22:31

Something like that, yeah. Yeah, he was.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

Yeah, that guy's a legend.

SPEAKER_00 22:34

He freestyled for like a minute, it was just nasty. I grabbed the mic and just freestyled.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

Talk about talent. That guy, yeah. Act, sing, comedian, yeah, comedian.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

I mean, yeah, he just does everything. So, yeah, that's my uh two cents on Diddy Wood. Speaking of actors, though, Ozzo, we gotta get into Mike Renchcock. Mike Renchcock is back, and not only is he back, he is up to his old ways. Did you see that press conference talking in third person and then saying that he was not in the wrong for his time in Columbus, and basically said that his wife made him resign because his time there had expired? That guy is such a fucking tool. Oh my god, he blamed it on his wife. He is such a fucking how does this guy keep getting jobs?

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, what is it, Stanny Bowman in in Edmonton and the owner, Daryl Cates and what does Babcock have? Like, what did I see? He's got like 700 NHL wins. That's why they're hiring him. I mean, it's just obviously the guy's got 700 wins, like he was doing something right, but that those answers, like before I saw those answers, Jordo, I was like, okay, like I okay, whatever. He probably met with the team, talked to McDavid. They're probably like, you know what, this guy's won cups. We need a change, we need someone serious. Um then you're like, okay, maybe you want to give him a chance, but then you listen to what he says in this press conference, and I'm and I didn't listen to it, I read the article on it, and like, what are you saying? Like, he blamed on his wife, that's why he resigned from Columbus. Yep, and just his answers were just and I think that's what you do as a person is you try to always be better at what you do. We're excited about he liked the situation in Columbus, they reviewed it, it didn't work out for us. So now I'm moving on.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

It's like he doesn't address anything, he's not sorry about what he did, he didn't learn, he didn't learn for that he overstepped his boundaries. Like the guy doesn't think ever that he's in the wrong, like he's a total tool, he's a narcissistic tool, is what he is.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

Well, and I and you never like I don't know this guy, and and you hate to like talk about guys you don't know, but that you hear these stories, and I don't know, you you don't really hear any stories of guys liking him, but you hear stories of him not playing Mike Madonna in his 15th game, 1500th game, and then the shit he's doing to Kami, which I don't think Kami's just coming out and lying about that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 25:18

What he did what he did to Chelle too at the winter classic game.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

What did he do there?

SPEAKER_00 25:23

Well, Ken Holland told him that you can't scratch Chris Chelios in his home at Wrigley at Wrigley Field, where they were playing an outdoor game versus Chicago. So Ken Holland was a general manager at the time. Chris Chelios was on the Red Wings, and Ken Holland told Mike Babcock that you can't scratch Chelly in his hometown. You have to play him, just play him as your sixth defenseman. Chelly's gonna play. So what does he do? He starts Chelly in the game. Chelly goes out there, starting lineup, you know, wave, obviously a legend there. He doesn't play him a single shift after that, to the point where Chell's kids at the time, he was sitting at the end of the bench right by the goalie, and his kids were sneaking him beers in water bottles. So he was sitting there with his skates untied the entire 59 other minutes and just basically boozing on the bench because Babs wouldn't play him and he wouldn't even look at him, and he didn't have an explanation for him. I just think like also he's a great hockey mind. Um, he's probably a hell of a coach, but the way he's treated players on so many numerous occasions, isn't there somebody else? Like, he's 65 years old. Like, do we do we really need this guy in the league? Like, that's all I'm asking.

SPEAKER_01 26:37

I know, I know. Like, who do you what is what does he like? Who are the older coaches in the league? Like, is he too old? I guess, like what Lindy Ruff's gotta be older than him, Joel Quinville, probably around the same age, Q's probably a little older.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Torts probably roughly around the same age, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Um, talk talks getting up there, isn't he? Tox getting up there something, yes, yes, but I don't know, it's just such a crazy signing, and then you have to deal with the media, of course. And I don't know. Wait, you gotta think they went to McDavid and Dry Settle and asked him, and they had to give him the approval, right? Like, they're not gonna just hire Babs if they don't want him.

SPEAKER_00 27:17

Yeah, I think I don't think it's ever been the from what I've gathered with players that have played for him and guys that I've talked to around the league that have been in those locker rooms with Babs. I don't I don't think it's ever the star players. The issue is there. He caters to the star players, he's smart enough to know that he needs to treat these guys like they're the kings of the castle, right? So that's never been the issue. It's the guys that are the younger players, like the Mitch Martiners, where he brings them into the office and says, Hey, tell me who's not working hard and throw them, throw me a couple names in in a hat here. And then what does he do? He goes as it exposes them in the locker room and says, Mitch says these are the guys that don't work hard. It's like so he goes after young players that are naive and vulnerable, and it's the bottom half of the lineup, the guys that become the whipping boys, where that's how you lose a locker room, though. You know what I mean? Like, if you really back it up, Ozo, the guy is a winner, but he's only won one Stanley Cup, and that was in 2008 with 14 or 15 Hall of Famers with the Detroit Red Wings. Like, we could coach that team drunk, you know, and those Team Canada teams were so far ahead of the US at the time and all the other nations that they ended up winning a couple goals, yeah, for sure. But it's like, is he really that big of a difference where he's gonna come into Edmonton and just turn the ship around? There'll be a better team, no doubt, with Babs at the helm, but it isn't there somebody else out there? Isn't there a guy you could give a fresh chance to or circle back with? I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

It's just like come on, it is, it's it's hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

Just the it's great for cot, it's great for content, though.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

It is great for content. I mean I like it. Wasn't it didn't spint and chiclets basically break the news last time in Columbus that got him fired, or was that yeah?

SPEAKER_00 29:17

I think it was maybe.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

I mean, that's hilarious. They they got him fired last time, but it's just insane you'd hire him after that story. Like, what even is his excuse? What has been his excuse for that story?

SPEAKER_00 29:28

I think he just said it today, he wasn't in the wrong. I think it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

He was doing the right thing, he was doing the right thing.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

He was he doesn't feel bad, he doesn't feel any type of way. It was Mike's time to leave, so Mike left. I just don't get it. I mean, and to your point, also like that star players there, they had to sign off on that. So I just think he's like a really good, I think he presents well, I think he's smart, I think he's a very good hockey mind. I think he can sell you a piece of you know, a turd. He could polish a turd, he can tell you who he's coached, his resume, what he's going to do. I think he has a plan, I think he's a very calculated guy. I just don't know. Does that just the fakeness will always show? You know what I mean? Like it'll come through at some point, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_01 30:21

It it kind of always does.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

I would be really interested. I wish there was more of those Detroit Red Wings players that actually won with them that were vocal, like Chelly hates him, obviously. But I wish there was like like a Nick Lidstrom. Does Nick Lidstrom like Mike Babcock? Does Pavel Datsu like Mike Babcock? That would be a very telling sign because that wouldn't be those guys are gonna play no matter what, but what was your relationship with or how about the or how about the third line guys on that team, right? But like Johan Franzen, like the guy he bullied the guy till he basically was depressed.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, you look at you look at a guy like who just won Rod the Bod. Yeah, I mean, this is completely polar opposite, right? Like completely because you're not gonna want to play for Babs, you're like want to play because you're like scared of him, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:10

Uh yes, yeah. If you're if you're not on that first line, absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:15

Yeah, I mean, you never know. I mean, they I guess the Oilers had to do something. This is certainly something, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:22

But like, I'm just looking at their team as a whole. The Edmonton Oilers getting the most out of their top players has never been an issue. What's been their issue? Filtering in their depth players, the Trent Fredericks who have not blossomed there because the lack of opportunity.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

You think Freddie's gonna like Babs?

SPEAKER_00 31:39

No, he's gonna be the he signed up for seven or eight more years of that shit, and when he's ready struggling, he's gonna say fuck this.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

That's gonna be tough.

SPEAKER_00 31:46

You know, it's it's never been it's always been the death players there that they it's hard to play in that.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

You think guys like Babs can change though, Jordo? Like, can they change their ways and like be better? Or is is it already too late? Like, you're 60 years old, you're kind of who you're gonna be.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

I think that press conference today showed you everything you need to know within 60 seconds. Yeah, in reality, like you know what I mean? I agree, it's just there was no different tone to a Mike Babcock press conference from when he was with Columbus originally to now, and that was four or five years ago. And he was back to talking in third person, he wasn't he was the victim, he had to resign because he wasn't on the same page with his staff.

SPEAKER_01 32:34

I just wife made him resign.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

Yeah, he was retired and he was pretty good at it, so he went back to being pretty good at retired, being retired. I don't know, man. It's just it's funny. I think from a content standpoint, it's awesome. I mean, you know, I'm ready, I'm already planning something with Lindy McLeod, uh, where I want to do a full season satire like 24-7 following Mike Babcock, and he puts the makeup on and the wig, and the series will be called Becoming a Cock. Oh, it's so funny, and like I'm a player, some of the episodes, and Gucci's a player, and then some of the episodes were media guys, like it's gonna be hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

Oh, it's gonna be unreal. That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

So, yeah, I don't know, man. Uh I just uh I just I'm at a loss for words with that, but it's uh it's pretty funny. It's pretty funny.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

That is well, I mean, what a crazy time that any child though, Jordo.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

It is. I mean crazy. It's it's it's also funny, too, you know, on the other side of things. With we'll see how it plays out, but the Ottawa Senators just give pretty good chuck to the Florida Panthers for nothing. Like, really, like I mean, first round picks. It's like the ninth pick. Okay, the ninth pick could be good. It could also be Victor Soderstrom.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

Could be fucking anybody. I mean, yeah, you could be talking, it could be Mark Jankowski, right?

SPEAKER_00 33:54

It it could be no no disrespect to this guy because he's a nail gun, and it could be Dylan McElrath, who was 10th overall, it could be uh, you know, the night like the ninth overall pick could be Derek Pouliot, who you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Like it's I I just I and what's surprising about it is if you're the Ottawa Senators, Jordo, you just I mean everyone's saying it, you just made you just made playoffs. How the hell do you give him to the Panthers who missed playoffs and were chasing you? They're right behind you. Like, what are you doing? I I get it. Okay, you want there's there's no way that was the only team he would go to, right?

SPEAKER_00 34:39

I mean, it just said it seemed like such a panic, Ozzle, where nowadays every guy has a no-movement clause, right? Yeah, but Brady Kachuk still had two more years left on his deal, like you don't have to make that move quite yet. You can let it cook a little bit, let it let it cook, let it cook, and at the end, you know, say even Brady Kachuk from two years from now, Ozzo was a deadline acquisition. You're still gonna get two first round picks for that player, at least. You will, you will, you know what I mean. You you would at the deadline, you would get two, you probably wouldn't get three picks, but you would get two. And they might not be the ninth pick, but definitely it's gonna be the the 25th pick, and it's definitely gonna be the pick that you're the the first rounder you're getting in two years, which is gonna be somewhere between 20 and 30, probably almost closer to 30, because that's how good the Florida Panthers are gonna be. So why why now? And you didn't get my only problem was if you're gonna make the move now, especially with Florida, how do you not get one national leaguer back? One player that's playing right now.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

That's what I didn't understand. Because you already have a playoff team, right? So why not get a player back so you can tread water?

SPEAKER_00 35:50

Even if you got say, even if you got they're basically just gave up on next season, right? Even if you got Evan Rodriguez, right, who's gonna play on Florida's fourth line, which is crazy, but he's a 40-point National League hockey league player with two mugs, and he's almost a point a game the last two runs they've been on when they won a Stanley Cup. Yeah, that's still a very quality player. How do you not get one like one of those guys?

SPEAKER_01 36:13

I don't know. It's weird. It would that was like a that's a weird trade. I don't know if like do the players really have that much leverage where they can just pick where they go in a trade.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

I I think with this no move, the the the managers don't know what to do, and they saw what happened with Marner and how they waited, and the only return on that was Nick Waugh late after the season ended, and they shriveled him down to nothing and basically got nothing for him, right? You know, Nick Wah was traded out of Toronto, so I think managers are very hesitant. I think players got way too much power coming out of COVID. This is my theory, because teams wanted to lower the AAV on their deals. So, what they did budge on was giving these guys a lot of guys no move clauses and order to lower again the AAV and extend with more years. So the players, like a lot of these guys, got no moves in the NBA. People always talk about it, also how these guys dictate where they go. There's only two or three players in the NBA that have full no move clauses in the NHL right now. I think it's it's over like 30, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's at least I think it's more to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

So then yeah, you'd think they'd have to step in and make some type of a rule where if you have a no move, you just you can't be moved, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

Or managers need to go back to the train of thought of why am I giving four or five players a no move clause on my team? Yeah, not even maybe not even one guy should have that.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

So you think Brady Kachuk was like it's Florida or it's nothing?

SPEAKER_00 37:58

I think he was like, it's Florida, I heard Minnesota and Vegas, and Vegas is like, well, fuck, we don't have any space right now. We gotta probably trade one of our goalies out of here and a player, so we don't have any space. So they're they're off the board immediately, and I think Minnesota made a healthy deal, right? They they I think they put in an offer that was probably maybe even better than Florida's. But when you talk to Brady Kachuk, where do you want to go? I want to go to Florida. Okay, you want to go to Minnesota? No, not really. Is Florida the mix? Yeah, okay. Well, I want to go to Florida, so you know he just dictates where he goes because at the end of the day, he has to sign off on that trade.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

And Ottawa's like Steve Steos is well, I don't want this to drag out, I don't want this to be a more of a distraction than it really needs or has to be. I'm just gonna so he just got out ahead of it, cut ties and get the best I can available and go from there. Where you know, you look at Dylan Larkin now, he's trying to get moves where whether it's Minnesota, you know, he obviously wants to go to all the places, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

Yeah, and now I'm seeing Werensky. Werensky's in the mix, right? It's all these it is all the USA Olympic players, but I mean, can you blame these guys, Jordo? I mean, if you're in shit situation and you're not gonna win a cup, I mean that's all you want to do. It's like get me the fuck out of here. I only have so many years to win a Stanley Cup, and we're clearly not gonna do it here, so send me somewhere that we are.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

I mean, Brady Kachuk comes back from winning the Olympics for the first time for the USA since 1980, and he's getting booed by his own fans in Ottawa because he went to the White House. Are you fucking retarded?

SPEAKER_01 39:38

Yeah, and then people are wondering why he wants out, right? And it's like, what do you what do you mean? Why does he want out?

SPEAKER_00 39:44

You guys are treating him like shit in the media, all he's ever done is fight for this entire team, the captain. Like, why you would feel a type of way?

SPEAKER_01 39:54

Because you care what that he went to the White House, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

It's it's bananas, dude.

SPEAKER_01 39:59

It's some people, and then they're like, fuck this guy, and then then now they're all pissed that they're like he traded. He's a traitor. It's like, dude, you ran him out of town.

SPEAKER_00 40:08

You ran him out of town, you ran you ran him, and it's gonna be the same with you know, good luck keeping Matthews, right? I don't have any insider information there, but good luck keeping him, right? I mean, yeah, he's you're lucky that he's still even there and he wants to be there. I mean, you guys are fucking really lucky up there in Toronto.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

Yeah, what do you think Amex is thinking? I mean, it's kind it's obviously tempting, you know. They got they got the lottery ball coming in, Gavin McKenna. You never know that is a little tempting, but still it's like fuck we're not gonna win.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

You can't be you can't be happy with that, you can't be thrilled with that coach hiring.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

No, yeah. Where did they get that one from?

SPEAKER_00 40:51

Hey, fucking what I mean. Jim Hiller. Good. I think he's a good guy, Ozo, but for by all accounts, uh, the research I did out of LA, it didn't really seem like he was necessarily a big time bench boss there, and they play a 1-3-1 boring hockey.

SPEAKER_01 41:08

Like, yeah, where did this guy was he just an assistant his whole career basically?

SPEAKER_00 41:12

And always a bridesmaid, got a chance to be the head coach in LA and lasted less than a year.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

Yeah, I stepped in as interim 23-24. Oh, yeah, he was head coach in 24-25.

SPEAKER_00 41:28

Yeah, so basically a head coach for what a year and a half, maybe yeah, got let go the next season.

SPEAKER_01 41:34

Yeah, oh, so he was coaching the kings last year at one point.

SPEAKER_00 41:39

Yep, yeah. He and then uh DJ Smith stepped in right around, I think, the new year, some give or take a month or two.

SPEAKER_01 41:46

Where did this guy play? Got a got a couple games in the national league, northern northern Michigan.

SPEAKER_00 41:52

They don't mind that. Is he American or Canadian?

SPEAKER_01 41:55

Look at that. Northern Michigan, the guy's gotta be Canadian. Yeah, BC, Port Elberney.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

Okay, it's just you you want to make a splash. You want this is the mecca of hockey, you're the Toronto Maple Leafs, and you bring in Jim Hiller.

SPEAKER_01 42:12

How funny would have been if they brought in Babs? Like, yeah, like couldn't they go out and get uh Bruce Cassidy?

SPEAKER_00 42:22

Busch Cassidy, yeah. I mean, at least he's a winner. I I don't think guys I think he runs his course, but for your win now, three-year window to convince your best player to stay. I he's proven.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

Yeah, he's proven. Well, what are the guys' complaints about him again? Wasn't he mean to players too?

SPEAKER_00 42:38

I think he's just really demanding, is what it comes down to. He's like he's he just wears on you. So I think for you know a short-lived two, three-year stint, I think that's a really good, really good hire, you know. At least he'll instill he plays a good brand of hockey. I mean, he he did with Boston, he did with Vegas, like he's an intelligent mind that can get teams to the Stanley Cup if not win. He's he brought Boston there, they lost in seven games to St. Louis, and they ultimately won in Vegas. But it's like, fella, like Jim Hiller, like that's what were the Toronto Maple Leafs, and I mean, go offer David Carl 10 million a year over at that point. You have unlimited money.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

Fuck offer him 15 million a year. Yeah, it get him out of Denver. Yes, all right. You're not coming for 10. How about 15? Right, not 15. Okay, how about 20? Right, you're thinking 25. Good. All right, let's go.

SPEAKER_00 43:32

I mean, they it's a it's a multi-billion dollar corporation with they own all those teams there in Toronto. The Raptors, MSLE owns the Raptors, they have the Leafs, they have the soccer team, they have the Argos, and they're worth six billion dollars.

SPEAKER_01 43:46

Clearly, selling tickets for I mean, there's not a poor person that's in in that arena, no, watching the games.

SPEAKER_00 43:54

Yeah, I don't know, man. I I just don't. I it's it's weird times because. Players hold all the cards right now, the got the the good ones, so they're dictating where they go. Teams are loading up for the draft this week. It's a decentralized draft, so you get picked number one overall. You're on Zoom.

SPEAKER_01 44:14

Like it's just that's what's happening?

SPEAKER_00 44:18

Yeah, it's decentralized.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

It's not anywhere.

SPEAKER_00 44:21

No.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

Why why why would they do that?

SPEAKER_00 44:24

It's it's in Buffalo. It's their second year doing the decentralized draft. So you just draft a player and they you call in on Google.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

Uh the teams are the teams there like on DM or no?

SPEAKER_00 44:35

No, they're they're in their war rooms at their selected rink in towns.

SPEAKER_01 44:40

Weird. Kind of sucks for the players, first rounders at least.

SPEAKER_00 44:44

Sucks.

SPEAKER_01 44:45

It's brutal.

SPEAKER_00 44:46

You gotta call in a Microsoft team, zoom in, you're like, fella, fucking first overall. Congrats. You're like, yeah, nice. I'll be in Chicago in a week.

SPEAKER_01 44:53

Sitting on the bed like Favre.

SPEAKER_00 44:55

Yeah. Yep. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know. That's that's what's going on in the Nashville. Hey, I wanted to ask you though, and and just for all the UND fans, uh, get us up to speed of with these commits that our boys Dane Jackson, Bryn Chizak, Dylan Simpson, Matt Schmabey. Seems like these guys are just committing some of the best players in the world. Talk about GMs in the world right now. Yeah, talk about GMs. I mean, I remember talking to Chiswick on the golf strip, and he was like, Yeah, we're turning down second rounders now. I go, okay, let's not get that cocky, but I guess they are.

SPEAKER_01 45:27

Yeah, yeah. I mean, um I don't know how they're doing it, Jordan. Like, I I'm not, you know, just some people text me, ask me like I'm some, you know, I talk to these guys all the time. I try to stay away from them because I know I'm on here, so I don't want to give away anything um that they would tell me or anything, but what a fucking run! Like they first they get this Nolan Fitzhenry kid out of the national development team, got called up to the 18 team this year. He's a 17, and I mean, pretty much any kid that gets any 17 that gets called up to the 18 team and at NTDP Jordo is a bona fide first rounder. Yep, I mean, almost every time. So this kid's unbelievable, and then right after that, they get those ruck twins, Liam and Marcus Ruck, who are just unbelievable up in the WHL, and they're going back for another year. I'm sure they're just gonna get bigger and better. Um, so those three will be coming in in 2027. I mean, what a I don't know how you like you almost got to start worrying about like how you sell ice time, like yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:35

Do those twins do those twins play on a line?

SPEAKER_01 46:38

Yeah, they play on a line, and and I I saw Johto, which I'm obviously a fan of them now because they're Nodak guys and and they wanted to come to Nodak, but it was a little weird. They did tell I mean Schloss reported on this on the Herald, they did tell NHL teams they want to be drafted to the first this the same team.

SPEAKER_00 46:59

That's kind of sick. I like the Sedines.

SPEAKER_01 47:01

Yeah, so I mean it kind of sick with the Sid. They're like they're projected second early second rounders, but okay, it'll be interesting to see if a team does that. I you know, when I I when I hear people are doing that, I'm like, okay, I like the confidence, but this is the National Hockey League. That's a little it's it's risky, it's risky to have that level of confidence. But yeah, I mean, unbelievable pickups by UND. They're clearly gonna be loaded up front um next year and the year after, especially if Will Zellers somehow sticks around for a third year. Um, you'd like to think Cole Reshny will be gone after a sophomore season, but you never know. I don't know who's gonna get ice time in the back end either, Joro. They they got that Carroll's kid, they got McKenzie, they got Verhoeff, Emery, Larilla's gonna be good. They're gonna be fucking battling for minutes out there.

SPEAKER_00 47:56

It's crazy too, because that kid that we committed uh from USA, he's projected like a top 10 pick, no, if not better. I mean, that can always fluctuate because you're more than a year out, but it sounds like he could be as high as a top five type of player.

SPEAKER_01 48:11

Good play his way into that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:12

Then we get the Kostitsin brothers, the Winneka brothers, I'm gonna call them out of straight out of Mystery Alaska, and then we go into draft weekend this weekend, where Carroll's theoretically could maybe even go higher than Veraff, and these guys could both be top five picks, both could easily be top five picks, which is not that's insane to have a couple top five picks on the back end at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 48:38

Um, now Jojo, these guys are still young, like people. I feel like you know, Verhoff slid in the draft rankings a little bit from the start of the season. He was kind of bona fide number two pick, and now you're like, uh, we don't know. Now he might slide to seven. But I think sometimes people forget how much harder college hockey is than the WHO where these guys are getting 100 points, you know, in 50 games. It's like you're not gonna do that in college. Um, and you know what? Verhoff did switch up his game towards the end of the season to be more reliable, more steady, and not take as many offensive risks out there. And that was the role he had to fill at the time. So he did everything you asked of him. Um so it'd be interesting to see if teams, you know, if they feel the same way, Gerdo. Yeah, because I know when these rankings come out, that's all the it's like writers and scouts, and sometimes these these actual draft boards inside these war rooms look way different than way different any any of these rankings that we're seeing online.

SPEAKER_00 49:47

100% they do. Yeah, I remember I remember even talking to Teams Azzo where you know even internally, you know, they would show me during my draft time, kind of because you know, I was I was like one of those guys that projected anywhere from 13 to 45. Some teams have me like St. Louis had me like their 12th best North American scare, where yeah, team like Montreal maybe had me at like 30, 35. So the one thing I just think like for teams that would draft a Vera Hop, I still think he could easily go number two overall. I think he's I think he once he matures into his game and simplifies it down, I think he's gonna be like an Alex Petrangelo. Now, when you watch from throughout the world junior tournament, I just thought for him, and he would probably even say it, when he got in, I thought he was trying to win the game every shift he was out there versus just playing a steady game. Like he's not Kale McCarr, right? I I mean he's not like there. How many guys are Kale McCar though?

SPEAKER_02 50:40

No, he's more of an Alex Petrang.

SPEAKER_00 50:42

Yes, he's more of an Alex Petrangelo, long, lengthy, good stick, defender, good positionally, can make a crispy first pass, run a power play, but he's gonna do it in a different way than a guy like Kale McCar or Quinn Hughes, where they dictate with their feet. I think a guy like Vera Hoff just needs to understand you have to dictate with your hands, and that's just making a good pass and then letting things open up and using your one-timer and things like that. So I still think he had a solid year and six-four defenseman, right shot that can skate like that, have really good hands. Those guys don't grow on trees, man. Like if he slides to Vancouver, I think they're picking at five. I mean, who's to say that he's maybe another year at UND and he steps right in that top four, right? Or I could I could see him maybe even going to sit San Jose at two.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

Yeah, because they they need a guy like that. Exactly. And if you look, I think it's Merles who's always talking about it. He's on that game notes podcast. But it's true if you look at all of the past cup winners, Jordo, you know, their number one defenseman is it's it's it's a big, it's a big kind of shutdown two-way guy. Yeah, you know, I know McCarr has a cup, obviously, but he's he's a god. Um, but yeah, like you said, these right-handed defensemen who are skilled, six foot four, they don't grow on trees. There's more left-handed defensemen out there, a lot more than right-handed, especially these right-handed defensemen that can handle the puck and make plays like Fairhoff can. Um, a lot of teams need that person in their lineup versus a lot of these teams have really good left-handed defensemen, you know.

SPEAKER_00 52:22

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 52:22

Um, so yeah, he could easily go to the sharks. I could see that.

SPEAKER_00 52:27

He's twice, and this is no disrespect to this kid, but he is twice or three times the players that Artem Lebchev, who went second overall to the Chicago Blackhawks. Yes, he skates way better, he handles the rock way better, he's tougher. He's just when you watch Verhoff, I see, like I said, I see Petrangelo, where that Lebchev, I mean, he's got a ways to go, right? And I don't think that should scare a team like San Jose from seeing the upside in Verhoff, um, and picking him at that number. And then you look at Carrolls, who is just an old Western League farm kid who throws his weight around, whose uh presence in the middle of the ice, who can put a chin on the glass from the fourth row. I love this kid's game. I love even more the fact that he's coming to North Dakota. Um, and I could see him being a top five guy because he's a throwback defenseman also with a with a sneaky good amount of skill, at least the tape I've seen.

SPEAKER_01 53:19

Yeah, I haven't watched Carol's or just you know read up on him and and heard about him. It's crazy to think he could go higher than Verhoff when we are kind of all just focused on Verhoff this year. I'm so excited to watch him in a Nodak jersey. He's just gonna be burying guys out there.

SPEAKER_00 53:36

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:36

And a good old you could you love the way these Western Canadians play the game of hockey, too. I mean, they just play it the right way, they're hard, they'll fight. Obviously, that's not gonna happen in college, but I guarantee this kid's gonna have skill too. He's probably got an absolute bomb of a shot, and it's cool that all these guys are committing to Nodak because they all talk, they all mention the coaching staff, Jordo, and they all mention like the facilities. They're they're there's they're excited to go there and get better at hockey too. Yes, um, and obviously these boys are gonna have a hell of a time and a ton of fun as well.

SPEAKER_00 54:14

And when I'm gonna watch, I mean, I've watched a little bit just of his tape, just um, when I've nerded out a little bit because I was like, who the fuck is this guy? He's fucking unreal. Like, gonna might be a top five pick. So I went like on in stat and watch him a little bit. Yeah, uh, he is gonna have at least one suspension this year, and I'm gonna love that. Like, I've if he does, yeah. If he doesn't get suspended, I I don't think he's playing hard.

SPEAKER_01 54:35

He's gonna be like a Tyler Clevin.

SPEAKER_00 54:37

Yep, but better, better offensive skills. But yeah, that that type of player. Uh, and I love that. I if he eats a one-game suspension or a two-gamer, fucking rights, kid. You have my you have my cat cap tip because that means you're playing your game. Uh in the NHL, he would be able to fight and back himself up. College hockey, obviously a little bit softer. Uh, but they're gonna he's gonna have one of those hits where he catches a guy through the middle of the ice and it's probably gonna be clean, but he's gonna it's gonna look like he decapitates him, and the NCHC is gonna have no choice because their insurance policy of suspending this kid because this guy might be knocked out on the ice. It's just is what it is. Uh, but he's a throwback player, hits like a fucking freight train. Uh and I love that he's coming to college, man. I really do. I think that uh that just gets me going. I I I I love that that's an old school North Dakota like defenseman. The fact that he's gonna be a top 10 pick is is fucking awesome, man. And uh it's just kudos to the staff, really. I I don't really have anything else to say. Whatever they're doing, keep doing it, boys. You're getting the good western leaguers that we need, sprinkled in with Midwest kids. That is the recipe for success at Nodak. And this is actually one of the most excited I am for a player to come in, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 55:47

Yeah, this Carson Carroll skin. Oh, I can't wait. Yeah, it's gonna be. Yeah, I can I can imagine the staff's pretty pumped up too. Um, to get those guys, he's one of those electric players, you know.

SPEAKER_00 56:00

He's gonna score a one-time goal, big goal, and then you know, it's gonna be a heavy shot, then he's gonna light a guy up, then he's gonna give a guy a stinky minute. He's just gonna be all over the game, you know.

SPEAKER_01 56:09

You love to hear that. Yep, it's so good to have these Canadians coming down again. And it is cool, like you said, that these guys are now choosing to play at the University of North Dakota or play college hockey when you know historically these guys would hate college hockey, you know, you'd see them in pro and you'd kind of be chirping each other about junior or college hockey, and now they're kind of all coming down to play, and it's it's it's great to see.

SPEAKER_00 56:38

Yeah, it reminds me kind of like the the golden era of UND hockey, I would say was probably the years 2000 to 2016 when you guys won. It was guys came here just to play hockey, guys came into North Dakota literally just to get better and make the NHL. Then it went a little bit sideways with recruiting. Obviously, the the money came into play, the transfer protocol, it got all fucked up there for a bit with COVID, even too. And now it just seems like, yeah, the the money is in play, the NLI money or the NLI money, but these guys they're not chasing that man. The money's gonna come, they're probably getting a little bit of scratch because they deserve it, but they're not fleeing to the big markets, the the big tens, the Ohio states that could offer more, Minnesota's Wisconsin. They're coming to the best facility and the best rink in the world, with I believe a top two coaching staff, them in Denver, to come get better. And we have better facilities in Denver, we do, and we have better fans, so way better. It's pretty cool that these guys are choosing, um, in my eyes and your eyes, the best place to play and develop. To develop, it's the best place.

SPEAKER_01 57:46

Yeah, I think so too. I mean, you you have so much opportunity to just focus on hockey and hang out with a team, you know, which makes you you know appreciate that time even more. And it's it is cool to, you know, because these guys, I know people are saying, like, okay, North Dakota's now paying for players, but I do know this, Jordo. We are not offering nearly as much as Penn State and Michigan and probably even Minnesota and Michigan, um, probably even Wisconsin, maybe I'm not sure there, but we are not offering these guys as much money as they are, and they're still deciding to come to North Dakota, which is pretty nails.

SPEAKER_00 58:27

We're taking care of them for sure on that front. Yeah, like the you know, they're getting a healthy amount of cheddar, and especially in a place like Grand Forks where your dollar goes far. Uh, but they don't have the seven eight hundred thousand dollar deals that McKenna, you know, are gonna get. And we're getting, you know, we're getting fucking the second overall pick, maybe the third, fourth, fifth. Like, you know, it's it's cool to see. So uh stick taps to those boys up there. Keep going, fellas. UND hockey is do or die. Ozzo, last little bit here, People's Insider term of the week. And this week's People's Insider term of the week is give me the green or I'm running the red. Now, what this expression means, folks, is well, it's a big night. Maybe you have some of the fellas in town. Maybe it's one of those nights where your lovely or significant other probably wouldn't like to see you go out. It's just one of those, you know, hey, I gotta go out and absolutely floor it, and you might not like this. Give me the green light, or I'm gonna run the red. I'll, hey, maybe make it up to you in a couple days. But right now, I have to put four on the floor and I have to step on it because it's one of those nights where I'm calling the shots. Sometimes in life, Ozzo, you just need a green light. Sometimes you need to run a red. But whatever the case may be, it's not up to you or your significant other. The liquor is calling the shots tonight, folks. And it is what it is, and it ain't what it ain't, baby. Give me the green light, or I'm running the red, baby. I'm going full OJ out here. I'm bringing a little criminal element to my game, and that is this week's People's Insider term of the week. Azzo, sometimes, my friend, you just have to floor it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:09

You just have to. Like uh, like when you get swept by St. Cloud at the Ralph and it's Halloween night. Yep. You know what, coach? Uh you're we're we're all sad about this, but you better give us the green, or we're running the red.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:23

Yeah, it's a mandatory go night, and sometimes, like I said, it's not a popular decision with maybe some people that you're with, but fuck it. You gotta run the red if they don't give you the green, baby. So, yeah, Ozzo, it's uh it's one of those where you kind of just you just eat it on the back half of it, right? You're just like fuck, it's is what it is, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:45

It's a future you problem.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:46

Yep, it's a future you problem. So, folks, that is this week's People's Insider term of the week. Ozzo, always good. Snapping around with the captain. Jay Swish, gauge Ozzo Ospis. Folks, that was live in five. We out.

unknown 1:01:02

Woo!