Comeback episode

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:52

Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening. Welcome back to Pullin' No Punches. I am Curtis Chaplin. And I am James Chaplin. And we back. Yeah, we're back. It's been a minute. It's definitely been a minute.

SPEAKER_02 1:06

I was gone for a minute, but I'm back now.

SPEAKER_03 1:08

We still got the same energy, same talk. You know? Um we uh took some time off. Um for a plethora of reasons. A lot of reasons, a lot of reasons. One of the main ones is, you know, the death of Osiron Grimes, our brother. Um still still coping and dealing with that on a daily basis. Um still doesn't seem real. Um, so you know, coping with that. Um life. Life, just life, and you know, since then, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Yeah, it's tough out here, man, especially having the Pluton. That was so unexpected. That was so unexpected. Look at yourself. Yeah. Okay, get you get yourself closer. It was so unexpected. It was just like you know what I'm saying? Like, what? You know, sometimes you wake up and still feel like your world is spinning.

SPEAKER_03 2:05

Yeah. It's crazy that you said that that you said you feel like the world is still spinning. I I really catch myself like the other day, I'm like, I'm playing a game, and then like I'm just like going through the motions. And then I had to snap myself out, like, yo, I'm in a game. Like, you know what I mean? I had to lock in on a game, but like it's like you just go into a certain mode and it's just autopilot. And you gotta just snap out of it. You ever drive somewhere? Oh, too much, and then get there and be like, oh shoot. Yeah, too many times. Be in the car, like, dang. And that and that was sober. That was sober most of the times when that happened. Most of the time. Except for the garage. 75% of the time sober. In my younger days. I don't drink and drive now, you know. You ain't hear the garage, you didn't hear the garage comment? Yeah, I I ignored it. We did. I ignored it. Um what have you been doing, you know, since we've been gone? What you know, what's some things you've done? What's some things that have happened that kept you away from the podcast?

SPEAKER_02 3:11

Kept me away from the podcast. Well, um, I uh it's been that long.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

Yeah.

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When did I go back to work?

SPEAKER_03 3:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

I don't even remember when. But I got back to it.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

Yeah, you end up with it.

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And uh I did, I did. You ended up going back to work, and then I was there just in time to start the wrestling season, which went phenomenally, by the way. Like my for my first year being a heck a head coach, it was like probably one of the greatest experiences in my life. Yeah, we're definitely gonna talk about that during the episode. Yes, sir. We gotta talk about that. What else has kept me out? Um I don't know, my lower back. Like I I was able to, I was barely able to get up and use the bathroom. Like I had to get up. Yeah, to roll over, and try to walk, and it felt like it would just my my spine was just shifting around. Like, uh, oh. So you know I was pretty roughed up.

SPEAKER_03 4:14

Back was toe up. Yeah, we're both we're I mean, it seemed like we were injured around the same time. I was in a boot and a cat and crutches for for some time. I'm supposed to still every other week. Still supposed to be in a boot, but I just don't don't want to wear it. Like it's it's putting too much strain on my other leg. So it's putting so you wear your two boots. Nah, nah, nah, nah. That was the worst, bro. That was the worst.

SPEAKER_02 4:37

You the only person in my life I ever see wear two boots at one time. At the same time. Just just luck, bro. It's it's it's insane. Like at that point, where's the wheelchair?

SPEAKER_03 4:47

Nah, nah, I'm not doing that. I you don't want to ride in a wheelchair? Nah, nah. You rather walk with two boots. Somebody almost ran me over in their wheelchair yesterday, too. It was a kid. Well? It was a kid. I was walking through this mall yesterday. He was flying. Flying. Hit that corner, wasn't even looking. About to run Curtis over, huh? But um car accident in the mall. That would have been bad. I probably would have. No, no, I probably would have jacked the person up.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

You would have jacked the person up in the wheelchair. Yeah, you hit me with your wheelchair. You hit me with your wheelchair, now I'm pissed off. I'm gonna jack you up. Even though your legs don't work. You probably couldn't uh I put him back down gently. Oh. So what'd be the point of picking him up? I guess the initial initial fear.

SPEAKER_03 5:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

That makes sense. Hopefully it makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 5:33

He doesn't do it to no one else again.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

But I mean, what's he lose? What's he gonna lose? Why are you talking like you you keep sweating?

SPEAKER_03 5:40

Yo, every time I'm on here, you always say that. Yeah, I'm just chill. I'm just chill, man. Like, I don't, I'm I'm not as animated and in and uh passionate. Build some volume in your voice so we can hear you. Oh no, the the people I hear me. So they gotta hear me.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

Yeah, you hearing you, and me hearing you, we hearing you, three different things.

SPEAKER_03 6:03

All right. Um what was I gonna say? And that and you you know what? It also could be just just lately, like, I don't know, it's something, maybe I gotta get that checked out. It may be something wrong with my hearing, because sometimes Dom's like, hey, you're yelling. Why are you yelling? And I'm like, I'm talking regularly.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

You you probably do have hearing issues, man. I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna lie to you. You probably deaf in one ear. I ain't gonna hold you. And it's it's been a lot more commonly. See, people tell me that I'm talking too low. Like, oh, I can't hear you, you're mumbling. Uh uh, I don't hear mumbling, and I I'm spitting the words out. You just can't hear me.

unknown 6:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

Some kid told me I had an uh actually where I was from. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:49

Yeah, yeah.

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And I'm like, do I have an accent or something? Like, no, I just thought you were from another country. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 6:57

All right. What would give that away? I don't I don't know. Had to be an accent, clearly. But you just also just said a kid, like no, no disrespect. This this generation, yeah. You don't need to go and get me started. Yeah, we we can't. But um, hey, listen, enough talking about you know, being back. We are back, and let's talk about some things that happen while we're away. Some things that excite us. Yeah, let's start with sports.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

Yeah, let's do some sports here, brother. Let's do some sports.

SPEAKER_03 7:30

First and foremost, you know, Miami Hurricanes that I talked about. I told you, I told everyone that we were going to the chip. Now, we lost the chip. We should have won. Okay. We lost. Here we go. I was upset. Coach Barber. Shout out to Coach Barber who trains here at Option Zero, who's the strength and conditioning coach at SU. He told me what was gonna happen without, you know, putting the team down. He said, listen, if y'all win, you're gonna win because of this. And if you lose, you're gonna lose because of this, and this is how you're gonna lose. And that's how you lost it happened, it hurt, bro. Like, first of all, I still don't understand how a man is wide open in the end zone and under thrown by like 20 yards for an interception. Like, I I I I don't know, bro. Back shoulder, easy back shoulder throw, bro.

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Arm strength.

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Yeah, yeah. I man, I don't I'm still baffled. Arm strength.

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Doing stuff that you have no business doing. Baffled. That you're not accustomed to doing.

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Back shoulder, easy back shoulder throw.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

Yeah, but everybody, it sounds like he was moving to me.

SPEAKER_03 8:39

He had a touchdown, bro, and it was legit within the last 30 seconds of the game. That would have silked the game right then and there.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

I bet it would have.

SPEAKER_03 8:47

But there was a couple things that happened in the game that should have been taken care of. Like we had a player out there, Xavier Lucas. Nothing against him, but you know, um, I think it's Xavier Lucas, but I know his last name is Lucas. He was just getting torched out there. He dropped three picks that hit his hands, and then he got destroyed for a first, a crucial first down. It was like he stops that fourth down play. We go on to one chip. Um, outside of that, our tight end didn't block on the punt and gave up points there as well. He had one job to do, just block one guy. Shit. And he let the guy go through untouched, blocked the punt.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

So maybe he tried.

SPEAKER_03 9:28

Maybe he just do it just fast. Nah, nah, nah. You gotta see the video, bro. Jamie. He didn't even like turn to touch him in at all. He just let him go right past him. Oh. And he lost in the street. He ended up blocking the punt, bro.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

For six. So the fact that you couldn't get the punt on fast enough. Anyway, talking about the Miami Hurricanes, that was pretty cool, man. I'm glad y'all made it to the chip. I'm so sorry that y'all lost, but the Seattle Seahawks made it to the chip, and we won. It's horrible. So, you know, I'm on another level, man. You feeling like you're happy about your foe? We are Super Bowl champions. Everybody was talking to our hot guard. We didn't play nobody. We played everybody. We were in the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

For the playoffs. Like, your playoff run was very easy this year.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

Our playoffs run was the run that we earned in the regular season. That's what happens when you're number one. Okay, you know what I'm saying? Less trips. Yeah, that's what happens when you're number one. You can't be mad at us for being number one.

SPEAKER_03 10:32

I ain't playing.

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You can't say we ain't played nobody because we played everybody. We number one.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

Who'd y'all play in the Super Bowl?

SPEAKER_02 10:38

We played the Patriots.

SPEAKER_03 10:40

Who shouldn't have been there?

SPEAKER_02 10:41

Who should have been there? They played well all season. Horrible. Some people thought they were gonna beat us.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

I mean, I didn't even watch because it's like, man, I know you didn't watch. How could you watch?

SPEAKER_02 10:50

It wasn't boring. It was actually very good game.

SPEAKER_03 10:52

Of course, it's gonna be a good game to you. One of the things that was a very good game in America. What do you got? A fan base of 5,000?

SPEAKER_02 11:00

5,000 here in here in the eastern part of the country. Man, they've been doing what they had to do.

SPEAKER_03 11:06

How they doing? How are y'all looking this year? What you guys doing the draft?

SPEAKER_02 11:09

I mean, we're a Super Bowl champion, so we're not gonna get much draft action. I think we made one pick. So well, the last time I watched the draft over.

SPEAKER_03 11:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

Um, I wasn't happy with so the last I I normally never really watch the draft. I like to see things pick up in um like rookie minicamps to see who's in there, see how they're doing, see how they're moving around. If I don't see them moving, I can't trust what they're telling me.

SPEAKER_03 11:41

Uh I mean, I will say nine Miami Hurricanes were entered the draft. Nine. And they all got drafted? Nine. No, I mean say nine were drafted. There was more that went undrafted.

SPEAKER_02 11:53

Did you know that the Colorado Buffaloes had zero players drafted?

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We did talk a bit about them last year. Oh, did we?

SPEAKER_02 12:02

I saw that. I thought that was a I thought that was an interesting start.

SPEAKER_03 12:07

Um, yeah. I mean, I still wear the primes, but I won't see what they do this year. Yeah. Them buffs, man. I mean, it's been a lot, it hasn't been that much talk about them this year either. You know, the hype has fallen.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

Everybody's off it now. Yeah, the hype has fallen. Everybody's able to work in silence now. Yeah. You don't gotta bicker and banter with anyone else. Yeah. About the nonsense. So uh moving on to the Tiafimo uh Shakur fight. Yep. Did that ever happen? Yeah, it happened.

SPEAKER_03 12:38

You missed it.

SPEAKER_02 12:38

I did miss it. I was looking for it, waiting for it. I couldn't find it anywhere.

SPEAKER_03 12:42

It was easy. Who won? Shakur. He's he's a master boxer. He's the Floyd Mayweather of our time. So um he just people get upset because it's boring. It looks boring. So those who aren't like big into boxing and understand that like, you know, the the beauty and the artwork of what they're watching, they hate it. They're they're looking for the knockout, and it's like, no. Oh, so it was the snooze fest. No, he was no, he just showed nothing but skill. The guy couldn't do nothing with him. He won, I think he won every time. Tia Fimo Los Pez. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I also feel that Tia Fimo is a he was overhyped. Um You thought he was overhyped? Yeah, because I Lomo beat him. And they robbed him.

SPEAKER_02 13:22

Lomo did not beat him.

SPEAKER_03 13:24

They robbed him. They robbed him. You're right. They did rob Lomo. So that's what you know what I mean. So that's why I'm like, man, T Tio wasn't that good to me. Um fast starter. Yeah. And that's what happened. Even in the Lomo fight, he he started off fast and couldn't do nothing. But you know, Shakur just destroyed him. It was a unanimous thing.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

This is what I'll say about the Tiafimo Loma Chico fight. He didn't start fast, but he shouldn't have. He starts slow. And that's two or three rounds to collect information, and then he uses that information to beat you up in the next round.

SPEAKER_03 14:01

And so it sucks that they they they punish him for that. That is that is mastery. Listen, man.

SPEAKER_02 14:07

If the other person is working and they're scoring points while you're trying to punish it. Well, he didn't score.

SPEAKER_03 14:11

I'll give you that. Tia Fimo, the fur he lost like the first round. No, it was it was one of the rounds that that Lomo was down downloading and still destroyed him.

SPEAKER_02 14:21

No, that was probably towards the end of his own. No, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

It was with I watched it. You didn't give him I think it was the second round.

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Because he's downloading information.

SPEAKER_03 14:36

I think it was the second round. I gotta rewatch it. I think the second round, Loma should have won. And my when I when I did the um score sheet and scorecard, and I was being I was being non-biased for this. You were being non- How do you know you're being non-biased? When people say that because I because I went for like I saw I went based on who was hitting who more, who was hitting um landing with more effective punches. It's hard to tell what a hit is when you Yeah, when you're blocking. You like somebody more than the other person. Nah, well, I had to for this one. I I found a draw. And even with a draw, it goes back. They're both champs. Loma was the champ. They were both champs at the time. It was unification. Loma was the champ. Loma was the A-side. Give him a draw or give it to the the A-side. To beat the champ, you gotta beat the champ. And you didn't beat the champ with enough conviction to get the win. Apparently, he did. I mean, WBO, WBC, you know, who I forgot what sanctioned body it was. You know, they just they're corrupt anyways. And it sucks because, you know, here I am saying this and I'm getting ready to be within that realm. But you say it all the time. Certain certain sanctioned bodies are gonna protect their own.

SPEAKER_02 15:49

Who just dropped their their belt? Because they Shakur. A lot of guys.

SPEAKER_03 15:53

Shakur, I think a lot of guys. Shakur dropped the belt. Who dropped the belt? Crawford dropped the belt. Um, a lot of guys they didn't want to pay the Crawford, and I think Shakur ended up following suit as well. They wanted like $500,000 from Crawford. I'd have paid it. I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

You would have paid that to wear the belt that you earned? I'm paying, I'm not paying anything to wear the belt that you that's like the UFC charging people.

SPEAKER_03 16:16

I wouldn't have paid because they had already agreed to a price, and then I feel like once they realized how much money he made, they wanted an extra cut. And it's like, no, we we agreed first. You're gonna get what's on this contract.

SPEAKER_02 16:27

Well, that's also shady. But at the same time.

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Um. So yeah, and then today, you know, we we missed a lot of good boxing. Um, it was a wow.

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There's a lot of good May fights.

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Jake Paul ended up beating up, um, I mean, ended up losing to uh Anthony. Yep, to Anthony Joshua. Broke his jaw. Um, what other big fights did we miss? Still running the card. Um someone just fought. Someone just fought. Shout out to Cash, the young man from the R City who just fought on the um Wilder card. Really? Yeah, he f he fought on the Anthony, Anthony Wilder card, which is big. You know, Anthony Wilder's the main guy. He's fighting with the zone, but apparently I just found out there's two versions of the zone of the zone. Like there's the misfits boxing, and then there's the other group.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

I can't think of the letters, but so sort of like revenge tour in uh Red Zone.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

This dude.

SPEAKER_03 17:28

Oh man, this guy. Yeah, just to catch you guys up. He's talking about let me tell the story. All right, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 17:36

Let me tell the story because hey, listen. So I'm on my couch, man, enjoying my first of all, it's my birthday.

SPEAKER_03 17:42

Mind you, also, I'm in three group chats, so at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 17:46

Nobody's trying to hear that. That's just telling us more how you old ass nigga. But anyway, um, so I'm playing, I'm at the house my birthday. I'm playing Batman. This man called me to tell me how excited he was for the podcast. So he sent me a text, and then he was like, um, at the bottom of the text, because he sent it in like one text, but in two separate spaces. So I had to open it up to read it. And at the bottom it says, I don't know what's going on with this football team, but I'm not something something about not being sure about playing. I said, Curtis, what are you talking about? He's like, Yeah, man, I'm in this other group chat, and they're talking about we don't got no quarterback no more, the line gone. Like, they look stripped the whole team. Yeah, Kyle saying this and he's doing this, and I'm like, oh man, this does not sound correct at all. I'm literally looking at the football group chat right now. Nah, man, they got another one. Kyle dropped him in there. So he goes into the new group, the old group chat, supposedly the old one, and asks everyone, like, you know, what's going on in here? So everybody else is confused, just as confused as me. Because Curtis, what are you talking about? And this dude was like, Yeah, I'm in this other group chat, and y'all talking about we lost our quarterback. Is our such and such our quarterback? Yes. We have this these old liners, yes. So what group chat am I in? Curtis, what group chat were you in?

SPEAKER_03 19:07

Listen, we were in the Facebook group chat, and all of a sudden, while I was in the Facebook group chat, a text from a different group chat popped up and said, This is all the O-line and D-line. So I'm thinking it's the same group chat. And then from that group chat, there was another group chat. So I was like, Mind you, my number wasn't in there. And I'm the best D-lineman on score. Hold up. Statistically. Statistically. Statistically, I show up to more games. You show up to more games does not make you a better player. Can't come if you're not there. Yes, you can. Because when I am there, the game has changed. It's different. Same here. When I'm there, I make it happen.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

I'm there by myself, the game is different.

SPEAKER_03 19:49

Same here. While you were going. Listen, ask the team. Ask the team. This season, while every game I was there, we've won. Not every game. Except for the one, one game where we just were outmatched. No, we were outmatched by last game? No, the last game we we were winning. We got kicked out because of a fight. Well, y'all lost. Nah, nah, nah. We got eliminated because it was a three-on-one fight. Still lost, man. You lost the fight and you lost the game.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Alright, we didn't lose the game, but I wasn't in the fight.

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I wasn't fighting shit.

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If I was there, we'd have had a fighting chance.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

No, no, we wouldn't, we wouldn't have fought, bro. We was breaking up the fight. I remember that's how I got my toe messed up. Oh, bro. Don't talk about that. I remember when Herger.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

No.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

Banned from Hergamer. That was a Hergamer. That was Morris. Yeah, Morrisville. My fault. Banned from Morrisville. You banned for life. Oh, yeah. You went to the meeting. I didn't.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

I didn't go to no meeting. I didn't get called to no meeting. Only you. Because I'm black. I was in the cut like me. Oh, oh. Oh. You're brown. I'm black. That's the difference. Oh. My fault. Yeah, you say I didn't know they discriminated on the hue. But anyway.

SPEAKER_03 21:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

So that was that was hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 21:13

Yeah, yeah. Way to way to way to draw that in. Good, good, good. It made me laugh. Um, another another big fight. Um, I wasn't worried about it because I was telling everyone how great um Inue is, and he he's my favorite boxer. He took the place of um Lomachenko for me. Because I knew Loma was retiring. Oh, he did retire? Oh, yeah, he definitely retired. Speaking of retirement, um, the Boxing Hall of Fame Um is coming up real soon, Boxing Hall of Fame weekend. And guess. Guess who is the Grand Marshal?

SPEAKER_02 21:50

What's a Grand Marshall?

SPEAKER_03 21:52

So he basically is the MC. Oh. You? Shit'll be nice. I ain't there yet. Grand Marshall is usually somebody with uh a big name. Oh, they get paid for that? I don't know, but they're the big name. They're the they're like half the attraction.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

Is it uh is it uh what's his name?

SPEAKER_03 22:13

Filipino boxer. Nope. He retired he retired last year. I mean he got inducted last year, but listen to this. The Grand Marshal, because uh you're not gonna guess it. No, I'll give you a chance. I'll give you two shots. Go ahead. Two shots?

SPEAKER_02 22:26

Yeah you gotta give me some.

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Alright, I'll give you one chance. There's some there's somewhere in this gym.

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There's someone in this gym.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

Sugar Ray? Sugar Ray Leonard. Oh, man. Sugar Ray Leonard, and not only just Sugar Ray Leonard, but all of the Olympic team.

SPEAKER_02 22:50

Oh, from that year?

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From the 1976 Olympics. Oh, that's gonna be special. I'm gonna be happy to be there. Amazing. And then also listen to this Triple G and Antonio Tarver are gonna be there as well. Triple G? Triple G. I'm gonna ask Triple G about the lot. It's gonna be a lot, a lot of boxes. But everyone's definitely gonna be tapped in for the triple, um, because Tarver, Triple G, and just Sugar Ray, you know. Um, you know me, Sugar Ray, Sugar Ray at one point in time was one of my favorite boxers. And then, you know, um, I did my digging, my research, and found out the situation between him and Duran, and it kind of like devastated me. Like, dang, bro. We we stooping to terms like that. But those who don't know what I'm talking about, Sugar Ray Leonard played um allegedly, allegedly, paid um Roberto Duran's manager or promoter uh extra money for the fight to make it happen while Duran was out of shape and training. So like he was had no ideas of boxing because he wanted to do everything on his term. So he was partying, out of shape, living life, and come to find out he had a fight coming up with like a couple months to spare. Like, so he had to just stop everything he was doing and then get ready for a fight. And that was that was kind of messed up. Like, you want to fight me, I'm I'm gonna fight you, I'm gonna fight you at your best. I'm not gonna fight you when I got an uh advantage. I'm not gonna, you know, oh man, he strung out on drugs, let's get that fight now. No, like that's crazy. So that that kind of like that kind of hurt me because you know, I looked at him as like a fight, though.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

Like somebody messed up. He did, he did do it. Pay their promoter, like, hey man, I give you extra if you allow your fighter to fight out of shape.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

No, that's exactly what happened. So they brought him to fight, like, like, hey, you gotta fight. It's already been signed. The contract's signed, you got three months.

SPEAKER_02 24:55

Oh, three months is more than enough.

SPEAKER_03 24:57

I mean, three months when you're like Roberto Duran was partying, partying. Like, that's I party partying. No, no, no, no, no, no. You don't party like this man. This man was up there with Diddy.

SPEAKER_02 25:06

How you know how I party?

SPEAKER_03 25:07

You better not be partying.

SPEAKER_02 25:08

Roberto Duran was not up there with no goddamn thing. Except for the city. I'm talking about the drugs.

SPEAKER_03 25:11

I'm talking about the drugs. That man was I've done some drugs in my day. Not this type of stuff. How you know? I hope not. You hitting lines long as this gym.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

Nobody hit lines long as the gym, man. We gotta talk. No, get the juice out of here. I've never I've never put anything up my nose.

SPEAKER_03 25:31

Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying. That's the type of stuff he was doing. He was partying, he was he was drinking, he was heavy. He was it was a lot. And then to mentally prepare a life of partying. Three months is more than a time to get yourself into shape. No, but not if you're partying for like a full year.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

Yo, I used to not show up at the gym for months.

SPEAKER_03 25:47

No, a year. I'm talking about party for a year, James.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

And then come back. Basically, I fought once a year.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

No, party. Party for a year and then fight the number one guy in the world is different. I fought the number two guy. In the world. And then he went on, he went on to fight the UFC. Yes, I'm yeah. You talking about Pat Bennett?

SPEAKER_02 26:04

No, I ain't talking about Pat Bennett. Talking about Pat, what's his face? Oh, the guy they brought you to Spar? No, no, I won that one. Ramadan, Muhammad, that was my that's my dog now. That that was my friend. After that fight, we made a strong connection, man. Like, uh, you know what I'm saying? We talked like the entire time. I was wasted. Man, my hand was that wasn't when I broke my hand. I was wasted. That was way before um Algernane Sterling was there. Yep. Shout out to Algernane Sterling. Uh John Jones was there. He used to train out Nitska. Uh, you know, Pat McGrill. Is here run through the door, he heard that name?

SPEAKER_03 26:41

He here. Shout out to my boy. Yo, I saw his dad. Shout out to my boy Ezra Harpoon Hayward. We can talk about that when I get to that uh to that segment. But yeah, I got to see his dad. Yeah, I see his dad all the time at OCC. He runs, he's the head of security up there. That's where I was at. Yep, head of security. Um, yeah, it was a lot of fights. And then speaking of fights, uh today, 9 o'clock, you know, my guy, like I said, Nagoya Inue beat uh Nakatani, which I knew he would. He um yeah, missed the decision, but this eight. You gotta go watch the highlights. This body shot was out of control that he caught him with.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

Were you up to watch this fight?

SPEAKER_03 27:21

Yeah, I don't know why I was up. You know what? It was mom's birthday last night. So I stayed at the room.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

Nine o'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_03 27:28

Yeah, I actually didn't sleep till four o'clock and then I jumped right back up at eight o'clock. Oh, up for some reason.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

At two or three o'clock in the morning last night.

SPEAKER_03 27:35

Maybe I was excited for the podcast.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Uh. And then I say, you know, I can stay at no. I gotta go to the gym at noon.

SPEAKER_03 27:43

There's also, you know, not only was there a lot of good boxing, um, remember, uh, Clarissa Shields just fought. Um, I knew she was gonna beat the girl. Wasn't even a yeah, it wasn't even worth watching. We gotta fight her for new talent. She fought a girl that was way smaller than her, and it wasn't a good fight. Um, yeah, we gotta find some new talent out there, man. It's talent out there. Clarissa needs to fight. In my opinion, she needs to fight the girl who gave her problems back in the day that she won't give a rematch to. Like, that's the only one. It's the only one girl who gave Clarissa a hard time, and I think she dropped Clarissa or made her uh stumbled her during that fight. That's the person she needs to fight back.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

But getting stumbled in a fight. No, it was a close fight.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

No, it was a close fight. She dropped her. Like she Clarissa ended up with an A count. You can get caught in a fight.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

That'll mean that person was your problem.

SPEAKER_03 28:36

No, no, she gave her an A count and then still kept the fight really close. And that was early in her career. Both have way more experience. You guys are way more than.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

We know who win in that one. We know Clusha's gonna win, and then she's on another level with her. Nah, nah, nah.

SPEAKER_03 28:51

This this girl that she fought with. What has that girl done lately? She hasn't lost since. She hasn't lost since. Well, neither has Clarissa, so run it back. Instead of fighting the girl she just fought. Sivon Cruz, I mean, nothing against her. Cruz wasn't uh You be wanting to see fresh faces, man. Like, you don't want to be going back and true and you know it's always harder to beat that person the second time. So that's why I think it should be a good fight.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

And if she won, she's earned the right to never revisit that ever again. She does, but you know, show us that you're the best. John Jones, Dominic Reyes again, after he fought him and and supposedly lost to him. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Well, he did lose to him, man. Yeah, my thing is that was a tough fight.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

You can't say that you're the greatest and then not show the people that you're greatest. You have a fight that was really close, run it back and then spank that person even worse.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

You want no one, you know what I'm saying? Being the greatest and then being invincible are two different things. Because you don't have to beat everybody to a pulp to be the greatest. You just have to get through those fights and be a victor.

SPEAKER_03 29:52

And it to it is true that it's harder to beat the same person twice. It is true. Because I knocked the guy out, I knocked the guy out cold, fought him again. He wasn't stumbling, he just kept coming forward. I mean, I was not everybody can be on the pedestal. You know what I'm saying? I tried to knock him up, that man wasn't going nowhere. Everybody I beat up and fought again, I beat him up twice. Yeah, I didn't get a chance. That man, he must have had some lines before that boxing match.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

The lines of the Curtis Handbook.

SPEAKER_03 30:21

Yeah, that man, that man did not go nowhere. I want you to know he came and paid me for information on you. He probably did. Because I what I watched both of the fights, and the second fight was way harder. The man just kept coming forward. Of course it was way harder. He knows what you got. Coming forward, coming forward. I'm like, God damn. I legit had to dance. That was when I was watching Sugar Ray and Roy Jones at that time. So I was dancing. I was boxing backwards.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

Curtis was working on the defense all.

SPEAKER_03 30:44

Nah, nah, nah, nah. Not that time. I was throwing, throwing, throwing uh and boxing while backing up. Uh, you know, just I'm not gonna lie, just watching boxing and the state of where it's at right now, bro. I I I feel I could give it a shot at pro right now and make a pretty good. I get about, I mean, it depends on who I fight. You know, as a pro, you can pick and choose who you want to fight. I can be undefeated for the first 15 fights. Because I don't have to fight nobody. I can fight 15 tomato games.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

But that got that got something to do with your purse, don't it? Like, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 31:15

You keep fighting bums, you're gonna get paid like a bum. I mean, not necessarily. I I see, you know, a lot of promoters are looking for four rounds, honey, uh, 10 10K.

SPEAKER_02 31:24

10K for four rounds? I can bust out four rounds for 10K.

SPEAKER_03 31:28

No, um, I'm sorry. I won't say four rounds. Six rounds, eight rounds, 10K. I I'll take those.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

I can bust out six rounds, eight rounds for 10K.

SPEAKER_03 31:37

You know what? This is what we'll do. I I am going to train with my guys, and then when we go to Mexico and they get I get them to their fights in Mexico, yeah, I'm getting a couple fights in Mexico for them. Oh. Maybe I just jump in the ring. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

Why don't you just start competing alongside your folks, man?

SPEAKER_03 31:56

It's hard because I have to fight in the masters and they don't have a lot of master bolts up here. That's fine. A lot of the masters are in like um Atlantic City, which I don't mind doing.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

What they gotta do with the price of tea? They can get you some fights. You can compete. We can find you some. I would have to go all the way to Atlantic City. People keep telling me to fight again, man. They're like, yo, your brother coming out with a card. You might as well get on it. Yeah, I mean, let's make it happen. I mean, the weight is down. I'll get mine down. I did make the heavyweight limit on hood. We could let's let's do that. Let's do that. Good idea. James on the option zero card. All this would be packed. Hold on. I mean, I doubt it.

SPEAKER_03 32:35

This dude is on his Yeah. I got a text about Maddie supposed to be taking a nap, and she don't look like she's taking a nap. Oh. Oh, yeah. Oh my gosh. We're in the middle of a podcast. Sorry, but bro, three, she just turned three last Saturday.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

She, bro, mind you, everybody was at the party, but I thought you were gonna be there. No, you didn't think that because no one invited me, no one told me what's coming. No, you didn't. You didn't. And I'm just looking around like, man, they must think I'm a piece of shit. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

Because here is everybody at the party, but even Tori was like, Tori was like, uh, where's James? I was like, I thought it'd be here.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

You thought he'd be here with no information. I wanted to pick her up. With no information, telepathy. You know what? I'll be I'm not even here. You don't want me to, you don't want me to be around. No, you should have been there.

SPEAKER_03 33:23

You should have been there. I know I should have been there. I was like, man, I wish James was here. Yeah. Not even a phone call. Like, hey man, where you at? I just assumed that you were gonna be there. It was so much going on that day, though. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, it was so much going on.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

First, he told me, I'm gonna let me tell y'all this. First, he told me that I couldn't come because it was just for babies.

SPEAKER_03 33:41

No, no, I didn't say you couldn't come. I said the kids couldn't come.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

He said you can't come because it's just for babies. No, the kids. All the kids from her class are gonna be there and some other kids. Yes, I'm talking about me. I'm not even talking about my big old giant kids. No way I would bring my giant kids to no three-year-old birthday party.

SPEAKER_03 34:01

My oldest child, my youngest child is nine. I know Larissa. Larissa. He's about 80 pounds. So that's why I said kids, not you. You could have been there. You should have been there because I needed something to do with that pizza.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

A lot of good pizza, too. Oh, so I'm just a fat nigga that couldn't clean stuff out.

SPEAKER_03 34:17

I'm not saying you're fat, but you know, it's free food, you know. Like if I come over to your house and I know you're on a barbecue, I just know I'm gonna get a plate.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

I grilled all last week. I literally stood in front of the grill every day last week. That's the life. My phone rang like three or four times, and all of a sudden I found myself with a house full of people in the grill going, yeah. Every single time. Um don't know why I wasn't there then. Yeah, they just they and I didn't create this. I was at home, minding my business. I know. I just got off of work, my phone ranging, like, oh, Chaplin, put something on the grill. We bought the RB over there. You said Chaplin. No. No, friends. All right. Um, it was outside friends. So uh they all pulled up. The grill got going and we got the cooking. And then they came back. So we did that during the week, and they came back on a Saturday, and my kids were there. And so they brought their kids and everybody was there. 11 o'clock at night, these people left my house.

SPEAKER_03 35:28

I know the lady downstairs was complaining.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

Uh, she actually wasn't. She actually wasn't. She doesn't. We are on good terms right now. She takes my trash cans back to the uh back to where they are when I on trash day. Yeah, we cool.

SPEAKER_03 35:43

What'd you done did? I ain't do nothing. Did you snuck down there? I done snuck down there, Curtis. You done snuck down there, you done gave her a drink. You done did something.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

I did not pull up here in the Subaru today. If I done snuck down there, I'd have been sliding and gliding in that Subaru. You feel me? You would have been moving and grooving. Okay. Let me tell you that right now. Put something on that old lady. You feel me? Uh oh man. Cut it out.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

What about the one across the street? Still mad people just always going to the house? Yeah. I I believe that she is an escort. She had to be in something. Uh 60, 70-year-old escort, bro. Because it's always a different guy at the end of the day. You know what? The door stays open. When the door is closed, they like I see them pull up and then keep them going. Quote for service.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

But I I yo, the the dude that does the lawn, he love to go over there and talk to her, him and the neighbor. Yeah. The neighbor, the neighbor will come home. If her door is shut, she'll go and bang on the door and stand there until she comes and opens it. Like, girl, you better go in your house and get your shit together. Like, you know what I'm saying? Why are you banging on this lady's door? But they be out there talking. I caught them talking about me one time. Fresh off the winter frost. You know what I'm saying? You know how you get your dog go outside and it's winter time, so you ain't really going down there picking up poop. Now 101. Now 101. And the the garden guy came by and he came to like do something to the flower or put seed down or whatever. And he was like, you know, oh, tell your kids to stop throwing rocks in the yard. It took an hour to get them all up. Sir, did you not know the wind has blown? Like there has been weather here, snow, high gust winds. You know what I'm saying? So them rocks is being moved around. That's what happens when rocks are outside. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's not my kid. So you went and told the landlord that. Then he also told the landlord that I had hundreds of piles of poop behind the garage. Hundreds of piles is exaggeration. Yeah, it's crazy. Because I was picking them up from time to time. But especially after the fall, the far the frost, let me get out there and get my work in. I had ordered me a little shovel rake combo so I can just, you know what I'm saying, scoop it all up, dump it in. The landlord called me, like, um, you know, you gotta clean up behind your door. I said, it's already cleaned up. Literally. If he would have just came and spoke to me initially, you know, I told my man, like, listen, y'all can come talk to me. I'm large, I get it. But I'm not mean. We can have a conversation. But yeah, man. Shout out to Asta, who is 150 pounds now. Yeah, I'm thinking about getting a dog. Yeah?

SPEAKER_03 38:29

Yeah, I'm gonna wait.

SPEAKER_02 38:31

You saw my boy, though. We gotta get down.

SPEAKER_03 38:33

I mean, it all depends. Like, I don't want to live in Circus for another two years. What is getting a dog have to do with living next circuits? Because I don't want to have the dog while we're where we're at. Um, just it's not gonna be good for um for the house. I want to make sure when I get a dog, he has a lot of land, a lot of spot to run, run and play with Matty. Your backyard is more than enough space for a dog to run around. Yeah, but then we got a dog next door, and that dog, um so what happened is remember, um, a lot of like I said, a lot of stuff has happened. A tree fell in our backyard on Halloween. That tree destroyed the whole neighborhood. I mean, our whole backyard, because that tree was the whole guy?

SPEAKER_02 39:14

The tree destroyed the whole neighborhood.

SPEAKER_03 39:17

It destroyed our whole backyard. That one branch covered the whole backyard. We finally got it done. I have a lot of firewood. Bro, I was having a blast last day splitting firewood. I felt like I felt like the man. Lumberjack. Like a lumberjack. Definitely did, bro. I felt so good. Then I put the wood on the fire that I worked, bro. He he till the ground by hand. Did you know that? The whole fire pit stock. I'm like, man, it's about to burn for hours. Bro, four hours all the gone. Burn right through. But yeah, the the grass you had to stack properly, man.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:53

I got it, bro. I was having a blast. It took forever to light, but yeah, it was good. But um, I say that to say the backyard. I don't want my dog to be in the backyard. I don't want it to be an outside dog. I want one of those big dogs like Maddie can like, you know, because she's a baby, like get on and ride and like Asta? Yeah, like a dog she can ride. Like, I want one of those, like, um, but all of them are illegal in the United States. I know in the South they're not gonna bother me.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

A Doberman is not illegal in the United States. No, I want something that's not a good idea.

SPEAKER_03 40:26

That's all you ever talk to about is Doberman. I do want two Dobermans, but then I found out that they can be very petty and then um spiteful, and I don't want neither one of them nipping that Maddie. I want one of it. I I know someone I've never heard that. I know someone who has a huge, huge dog. They're illegal here, and it's like it's like the a white version of Clifford the red dog.

SPEAKER_02 40:50

Well, that would be a giant. I want one of those. Anyway, you probably you're probably talking about I think it's called an Akita. Okay, those are not banned. I I got one that's next door. No, not those. All right, I'll look it up while we're talking. It's an Akita. I got one that's next door. But this one's like That's the one that On V and them used to have. No, they got children. They had a child, yeah. They had a child. This lady It's bigger than that one. The lady next door has the Akita and she has the English Mastiff. Yeah, this one is huge. Her English Mastiff is two years old and 180 pounds.

SPEAKER_03 41:24

Yeah, this this bad boy is at least like 200 pounds and it's fur-like, fur-like everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 41:28

And she said that she wants me to breed Asta with the Mastiff. That's a big dog. That's a crazy breed. I said, girl, you want me to sully my full-blooded corso with your mastiff, man? Sully the bloodline. Insane. I only want champions.

SPEAKER_03 41:50

Speaking of insanity, uh, what what else uh has been going on in the MMA world? We haven't talked about an MMA world. We talk about boxing, but I know a lot has been going on in the MMA world. We've been gone since How you know that? Because I be seeing the highlights and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 42:04

Ain't nothing real going on besides everybody arguing about the White House card. You know what I'm saying? Obviously, obviously we're out here. It's Paramount Plus. You don't gotta pay for pay-per-view anymore if you pay just $8.99 subscription that nobody wants. That nobody. There's nothing else to offer on Paramount Plus.

SPEAKER_03 42:24

No, no, don't disrespect Rocky. I'm thinking about getting Paramount Plus because I have uh I can watch all the Rocky's.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

I can watch that on HBO. I can watch that on um HMO and Paramount together. HBO and Paramount are not together. That's crazy. I'll ask Dom right now. You don't know what you're talking about. No, she works for Paramount. If HBO is Paramount, they would have a bundle package.

SPEAKER_03 42:46

No, I think they are. HBO. But either either way, um, you can watch Rocky, bro.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

Yeah. Well, you can watch Rocky anywhere. It's not a good reason to pay $8.99 a month.

SPEAKER_03 43:03

No, you gotta pay to watch Rocky.

SPEAKER_02 43:04

I mean, you can buy Rocky for less than the amount it costs.

SPEAKER_03 43:09

Yeah, I'm thinking about going to Star Jared, but where I'm gonna put it. Well, how am I playing it?

SPEAKER_02 43:14

Put it in your Xbox. What? DVD? The Xbox is a DVD player. Or or hear me out. At the age of digital, I know that you're 500 years old, but you can buy it on your Xbox and it will store it on there so you never have to look for it ever.

SPEAKER_03 43:32

She said, she said uh they're not together. You're right. I don't know. How do you get um HBO Max? Yes, HBO Max and Paramount. You're right. Two different things.

SPEAKER_02 43:40

Two different things.

SPEAKER_03 43:40

We have both of them, but Rocky's on both, but you gotta pay for both. I don't have them either.

SPEAKER_02 43:46

But well, I already watch HBO Max because I watch, you know, my wild show. Like I watched Primal, Primal just came out with a new season. I watched uh all the Game of Thrones stuff, so House of the Dragon and Seven Kingdoms. You know, uh so I I get and I go to sleep. Yep, I was right.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

I no, never mind. I'm right. Dom just said yes, they are together.

SPEAKER_02 44:09

I go to sleep every single night to um Lord of the Rings.

SPEAKER_03 44:16

I told you they were together.

SPEAKER_02 44:17

Well, I hear you. This is not really my concern right now because I'm telling my story about Lord of the Rings. I'm just saying. You know, I say Lord of the Rings is why I'll be watching all the time. Because uh HPL Max has this little like slot in their channels where it says Middle Earth, and you can click on it and it'll play all the um Lord of the Rings movies in order. And you know how long that takes.

SPEAKER_03 44:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:41

So by the time I wake up in the morning, I know exactly what movie I'm on. I'm exactly what movie, exactly what part. I know exactly what's going on. And then when my kids come in, they sit on and watch, and they'll be like, oh, oh, we saw this yesterday. Yeah, because I was sleeping with it yesterday.

SPEAKER_03 44:58

Okay, okay. Man.

SPEAKER_02 45:01

I didn't know Paramount Plus was uh team double HBO HBO, but that means for my Max, I should be getting Paramount Plus also.

SPEAKER_03 45:08

You should. Now I um I am not, I hope that I didn't just put out some information that wasn't supposed to be exposed. But the contract, I mean the deal might not be settled settled yet, but yes, HBO Max and Paramount are together, and I know that for a fact because I, you know, my fiance worked for Paramount and we had Paramount. Who was Netflix about to buy?

SPEAKER_02 45:29

Netflix was about to buy HBO. Netflix tried to buy everybody. They was about to buy HBO. They fallen off. That'd kill.

SPEAKER_03 45:36

But Netflix is Netflix is pissing me off, though.

SPEAKER_02 45:39

Yeah, because they hiking their prices every 30 seconds. Yeah. $24.93. Crazy. I barely be on there. Barely. I can't stand that. Um, what else? Oh, I meant to tell you about my wrestling season, man.

SPEAKER_03 46:00

I had we're gonna get there. It's part of the part of the part of the show. We're not there yet. I promise we're gonna get there. Oh, you you promised me? Oh. Like, we're gonna get there right now. Because, you know, um, we talked we talked about um no, we didn't we didn't talk about enough about MMA. I've been talking about boxing and you know, we just talked about MMA and the White House card. You wanna know who a little bit, yeah. Because it's not really much going on. They fandangling, they fandangling with Trump too much. The fans need to know. The fans need to know what is going on with that White House card. And it's crazy, you know. I think that's first of all, it's not cool.

SPEAKER_02 46:38

The how the car is gonna be outside. It's supposed to be in the ballroom, but the ballroom's not built in time because they're gonna make it. They're gonna build it now. He was just talking about it. No, no, they're not gonna build it now because the the Supreme Court told him like he gotta chill. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:52

After he got shot at, he said he was they um they said he was like, Nope, see, now I need a ballroom. No. They shot it now.

SPEAKER_02 46:59

No, they it was it was shit done before that. But that's why. See, see, now you're gonna get me into conspiracies because that's why I think that that happened.

SPEAKER_03 47:07

I think, yeah, so that he could get the ballroom. That's what I thought.

SPEAKER_02 47:09

I'm continuing to look at the information coming through. Everybody looking at the video, and they they just put out the White House put out a clear video of the shooter running through, and the officer. They said it was from Syracuse. Everybody won't be from Syracuse. The officer across the hall shot his boy in the chest as the other dude ran through. But they said that he got shot in the chest and then fired off five rounds and stopped the attacker. But the attacker never had any bruises, didn't receive a gunshot wound, and had no bumps or bruises when he was arrested. So, who did he let off five rounds to? And he got shot in the chest and let off five rounds and missed. That's not nothing to praise him about. Yeah, the silence it. Sir, you're shooting in the air. Like you're shooting around the room. There's other people in here, except you know what I'm saying? Other people that work with you.

SPEAKER_03 48:04

I know it did say he was from Syracuse. I guess he was on a basketball team or something to do with Syracuse sports. Ain't no way. Maybe he had bad aim. You know, these guys don't have aim nowadays. Ain't no way.

SPEAKER_02 48:13

First of all, first of all, the dude with the gun never fired a shot.

SPEAKER_03 48:17

Spray and pray.

SPEAKER_02 48:19

The dude with the long gun never fired a shot. I'm giving a benefit of the doubt. He just ran through and they were so shocked and surprised he just started firing their gun everywhere, even if it was across from each other. So yeah, that's what's going on. So anyway, the White House card is um coming along. There's a lot of card fights falling off the car. So they have to replace fights. Yeah, that sucks. Right. One dude, I can't remember what happened. I think it was like a green card situation, but he couldn't get over here or something like that. Who the heck knows? Um, let's see who's on that White House. I can't remember off the top of my head who's on the White House card.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

Like that's not um while you're doing that far. Who's who's dumb who's number one right now? And uh like who's the main attraction in MMA at this point in time?

SPEAKER_02 49:10

Who is the main attraction image at this point in time? Um Alex Pereira? Uh still. He just moved up from um 85. Well, he's moved up from 205 to heavyweight. Damn. So yeah. He's a wild man. Yeah. He's fighting on the um, he's fighting on the White House card as well. But he's fighting he's fighting, he's fighting Cyril Gain.

SPEAKER_03 49:38

He's been fighting for quite some time.

SPEAKER_02 49:39

Alex Pereira, Alex Prayer's been fighting, he's a kickboxer first. He was kickboxing with uh Israel Desanya. So yeah, he's been fighting for a while, but so has Cyril Gain. Cyril Gain's a kickboxer as well. The thing is, though, Cyril Gain has someone that got some of the best cleanest strikes. He fought um, well, he fought John Jones, and John Jones was cool. So that's why you don't have that ringing around in your head. But you know, Cyril Gain to anyone else is a problem. Like Alex Pereira is yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:13

Alex Pereira is still how I say John and I look at the window every time.

SPEAKER_02 50:17

Yeah, just in case he comes with the thing crazy. Calm down. Ain't nobody here, brother. You can say relax.

SPEAKER_03 50:32

Uh just to get you guys in on the on the uh on the on the side joke. We got a friend um who was my gym partner, uh training partner, sparring partner, my guy. Yeah. His name is Israel Hayward. He'll probably be the reverend for my wedding when that happens. Um his name is Israel the Harpoon Hayward. The Harpoon, because his arms is long as dude was like 6'2, 6'3 with the longest arms I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

Knuckle dragon for real.

SPEAKER_03 51:02

He was on his knees. Hitman Herms reincarnated. Legit. But um he uh big fan of John Jones, and I remember one day we were in the mall, and John Bones, John Jones' brothers, Art and Chandler were in the mall, and I took a picture with them. And I told, and actually, we worked in the same store together, and I told him, like, I called him right after him, like, yo, I just took a picture uh with the Jones brothers. He's like, John Jones? I'm on my way, hung up the phone before I even got a chance to tell him that it wasn't John, and rushed just as um for me to tell him that they both left. This is hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 51:44

This one he worked at what was that uh vitamin world together?

SPEAKER_03 51:48

Vitamin World. He was the assistant manager. I was the uh second assistant or whatever it was. I had you were uh I was under him. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I wasn't just a regular cashier. We had a manager, we had a manager, a district manager, assistant manager, and then like uh another, I was right under Izzy. Curtis. I forgot what the name was. Nah, we all stocked. We stocked. You worked by yourself, one person. I was like, they just gave you fancy titles to make you feel good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I take it. It looked good on a resume. You true. You true. Literally, everybody had the same position except for two, two people. The manager, just an assistant manager. Yep, just good names. We're the second in command. No retail clerks or nothing. Nope. Nope. That way, when customers come to hey, I need to speak to the manager. Hey, you're you're speaking to me. That's me.

SPEAKER_02 52:46

That's me. Really? Because I saw another guy in here. It says, Yeah, he's the Tuesday manager. I'm the Wednesday manager. Sorry, that's a little confusion. You shut it all down. We got a lot of managers here. So, oh, you know, this card is pretty spicy. I ain't gonna hold you, man. I ain't gonna I ain't gonna hold you. Yeah, let the fans know who's gonna be like, Ilya Taporia is fighting Justin Gagey, which is I wouldn't do all that. What? Yeah, have you seen the way Ilya's been putting people down? Yeah, but Gagey's the uh dog. Have you seen he first of all, Iliad Taporia is 17 and oh in the UFC.

SPEAKER_03 53:23

How many knockouts?

SPEAKER_02 53:24

He's sleeping dudes.

SPEAKER_03 53:26

Damn, 17. No.

SPEAKER_02 53:28

He just knocked who did he just knock out? He just knocked out um damn. Let's see who his last fight was.

SPEAKER_03 53:34

Unless he knocked out one of the Diaz brothers and don't count.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

First of all, everybody knocked out the Diaz brothers, man. He ain't knocking out my boy Clay. Clay Guida? Clean Glay Guida. Glay Cleita just got a lot of energy. He I need that energy. He fought, he he he killed Volkanasi. He killed Max Holloway. What? Yeah. Charles Oliviera. What? I'm talking about them talking about dudes. Okay. Wow. This dude ain't no joke. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 54:06

I might have to tune in for that MMA fight. And you know I'm not really an MMA fan. I might have to tune in.

SPEAKER_02 54:12

Alex Pereira, Cyril Gain.

SPEAKER_03 54:13

Damn.

SPEAKER_02 54:14

Then we got Sean O'Malley. O'Malley versus who? Zahobi. Ooh. So that's gonna be a good one. We got Ruffy and Michael Chandler. That's gonna be a sh a wash up. Because Michael Chandler got the chin of a toddler. Yeah. Bo Nickel fighting, though.

SPEAKER_03 54:35

Fighting who?

SPEAKER_02 54:38

He's fighting Wing Chung master? No, man. Kyle Dawkins. Kyle Dawkins is a solid fighter, though. Oh my god. I like that one. Uh, Diego Lopez is fighting Steve Garcia. I don't like Diego Lopez's mustache and his hair. He got this like swoosh over something. You ever seen the fifth element?

SPEAKER_03 54:57

Horrible. I was just actually watching it today. I was gonna take a picture of it. Yeah, it was on Netflix. Send it to you. Remember the dude?

SPEAKER_02 55:02

You know the dude. Yeah, the dude, the main guy. Yeah. Yep. That's what his hair looked like. Horrible. Like if he got on the phone with Mr. Shadow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:11

Horrible.

SPEAKER_02 55:12

He would start bleeding from the top of heads.

SPEAKER_03 55:16

Horrible.

SPEAKER_02 55:17

Oh man. I'm a nerd, man. Well, girls are fighting.

SPEAKER_03 55:21

I've been watching a lot of girls Meme May fights. They've been added lately.

SPEAKER_02 55:25

This one was just added. This one was literally just added. The um Josh Hokett and Derek Lewis fight. I don't know. Josh Hoket, he just fought um Curtis Blades and they beat each other. Well, he beat up Curtis Blades. Curtis Blades was just fighting. Yeah, that was bleeding everywhere. Almost knocking each other out. And then the president was in the house and he was like, you know, oh, why isn't Derek Lewis on the card?

SPEAKER_03 55:51

Wait, big big boy Derek?

SPEAKER_02 55:54

Yeah. Donald Trump asked for Derek Lewis. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh man. He said, why isn't Derek Lewis on the White House card? He was like, oh man, I'm sorry. Uh this is Josh Hulkett. You want him to fight Derek Lewis? Yeah, I don't care, sure. So now Josh Hokett is fighting Derrick Lewis. What do you think the outcome's gonna be of that? Uh if Derek hits Hulkett, I think he puts him clean, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:16

But Hulkett, Hulkett's not Hulkett's not wrestling. He's not, he is a good wrestler. He is just standing up and banging.

SPEAKER_03 56:23

Oh, whoa, whoa. This is about to be a knockoff fest. Somebody getting knocked out.

SPEAKER_02 56:27

You don't want to stand and bang with Derek Lewis, man. I don't care how old that man is.

SPEAKER_03 56:30

This is about to be a fight.

SPEAKER_02 56:31

You don't want to stand and bang with that guy. No girls on this card? Not even a single soul. Damn. Trump said all he wants there is ring girls. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 56:40

Well, the girls, man, the girls have been going at it. Yeah, they have. They have been going at it to press.

SPEAKER_02 56:45

Amanda Nunez is supposed to fight uh Caleb Harrison.

SPEAKER_03 56:47

Yo, she, yo, all the women MMA fighters that I've been seeing lately have been just going at it. And it starts in a press conference. It's always one stepping over the line, crossing over, stepping a little bit too far. And they usually lose too.

SPEAKER_02 57:05

The prelims have not been um released yet. Habitual line steppers, man. Habitual line steppers. You can wait to use the waiting. Mm-mm-mm. Habitual line steppers.

SPEAKER_03 57:18

How do you feel about weigh-ins? You know, um, I feel like, you know, for me, I I didn't have the I almost had the opportunity to go pro. That card canceled, uh fell off. Shit happens. Um, but in MMA, you guys do a lot of weigh-ins, even at the amateur level. I never had a chance to do a weigh-in, but you know, oh, like being a weigh-in and have a face off and stuff like that. Face off, yeah. Someone how do you how do you feel about that? Like, you know, I know sometimes you have to like show out to sell the fight.

SPEAKER_02 57:47

It builds the moment, man. It builds, it builds the moment.

SPEAKER_03 57:50

But I I feel like I I take it a little bit too personal. What do you mean you take it too personal? You push me or kiss me during that way, and I'm beating your ass. We ain't getting to the fight. You've seen people who've gotten pushed or kissed. Yeah, but we're not getting to the fight. We're not getting to the fight. There's too many people there for you to do that. That's what I'm saying. Like, if you're not.

SPEAKER_02 58:11

John Jones in DC was tussling and they still made it to their fight.

SPEAKER_03 58:15

That's what I'm saying. I'm not, I'm not doing this for sure. You spit on me, you disrespect me, you try to kiss me, bro. You're not even gonna get that far. Like, I'm gonna grab you instantly. I'm I'm and I'm hitting you right in the fucking throat.

SPEAKER_02 58:26

So that means that if you guys would have fought anyway, the fight would have been nothing because you just so much better than him.

SPEAKER_03 58:31

Yeah, well, you know, and and a fight versus a boxing match is different. I can punch you in the throat in a box in a fight. I can't do that in a boxing match. Why not? The ref will probably say something. It's not against the law rules, it's not against the rules, but the refers say something.

SPEAKER_02 58:44

I can punch you in the throat.

SPEAKER_03 58:46

It's dirty.

SPEAKER_02 58:47

You better hope I don't.

SPEAKER_03 58:48

Well, if you get hit in the throat in boxing, you need don't need a box, so your chin's supposed to be down anyways.

SPEAKER_02 58:53

Yeah. You know, you won't talk about the circumference of the never mind.

SPEAKER_03 58:59

Speaking of pause, I've been watching a lot of pause maino, bro. What is that? So there's a podcast with Maino, um uh Jim Jones. Oh, I know Jim Jones. Um David East and Fabulous. Yeah, you know, and Maino be saying a lot of wild stuff, bro. Wild.

SPEAKER_02 59:22

Oh, and they always be having to pause up awesome stuff.

SPEAKER_03 59:24

Yeah, yeah. So it's been so bad they created their own Snapchat page called Pause Maino, because that's almost stuff he done said, bro. That's crazy. Yeah. There was one, bro. I don't I'm not even gonna repeat any of the stuff he said, but I'll I'll I'll pull up the video and let it play in the background.

SPEAKER_02 59:41

It was just while he was pulling that up, what? While we're in the third round here, talking about life up there. Let's talk about my time as a girls wrestling coach because that was interesting. Yeah, that was it's shout out to uh Rob Northrop and uh Troy Thule for helping me out. Those are the varsity wrestling boys coaches. Um Rob actually had the idea of having me be a coach. He was like, you know, I've been waiting to call you. Been waiting for me to get back to work so they can call me so they can ask me to take this position because you know no one was keeping it. And who else would you think about who was proficient at freestyle and breakout, like myself? I mean, two time two-time Empire State getting gold medalists. Okay, I'm honking my horn. Um, but yeah, it was uh a cool experience, but it was a different experience. We we wrestle a completely different style than the boys. We wrestle the Olympic style called Freestyle. What you watching? The Paul's Nano stuff? Yeah, I thought you're gonna play it through speakers as I'm having my conversation talking about my little wrestling, but as you hear this, taking us all. I told you I heard this man already. Nah, you didn't hear the wild shit, he said. How he gonna tell me what I listen to this and I'll listen to tonight.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:05

I'm gonna see any use that I heard that though.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:13

What I heard that what so like they've created his own caterpillar.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:19

No, where you said you hear, did you see what Kyle said in the group chat?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:24

No, I didn't see it yet. Marquise, I didn't hear it yet. I gotta go back. Let me go back to the group chat. Where he said pause.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:31

Kyle said to him, he's like Marquise was talking about having like you know, keeping his energy pent up or whatever. And he was like, Well, what are you doing tonight, man? I can make some great use of that energy. No, he yo, I'm yo. He's saying what? I was just saying I can make great use of that energy tonight. Yo, hey, and everybody was like, yo, Kyle, hey, see, relax out of control, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:59

Great use of that energy tonight.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:01

I have you spinning in your chair, good sir.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:04

Bro, I'm about to go find this chat. That is insane. Um, speaking of pause, man, like, I mean, how do you like I I guarantee you can't, yo, I see it. I just walked right. Oh wow, insane. Um, like, I know you probably can't say like pause, or you probably don't say pause as much when you're working with female students. Like, what is the difference between and I I've worked, you know, there's a lot of female basketball, but female wrestling is different.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:39

Female wrestling. Okay, back to me talking about wrestling and trying to ask me questions, and I was already in a form. Um, so wrestling was it was tough at first getting um acclimated to the kids and you know getting them used to me because they were first of all, they're used to having a female coach. Okay um and then secondly, you know, they weren't there, they were not used to working as hard as I was working them on a daily basis.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:07

That's simple.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:07

You see that. Yeah, like we ran every day. Gotcha. Um, and we'll continue. So we run we ran every day and we drilled every day, and then you know, girls are trying to pick up their cell phones and step outside and use their cell phones. I'm like, yo, what you had going on last year must have been cool. But this year, you got something completely different going on. If you and if you don't like the way my style is set up, you can leave. I said that straight up. I had to set the tone early because they were playing with me in the beginning. And then they were like yelling at me and trying to argue with me. Oh, yeah, I can see that. I can see that. I can see that I had to shut the room down very quickly, establish control of the space, and then get them to buy into whatever I had going on. Once the first, once we had our first match, I think after that, it was like, all right, Coach Chaplin knows what he's talking about, like it's time to listen and believe him. And every time we go somewhere, there's always someone walking up to me, like, oh chat, man, what's good? How you been? Blah, blah, blah. And then saying nice things about me. So it was it was a nice experience, and it gives them something like, oh man, like they he know what he's talking about.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:21

Then I had to pull out the big guns. Okay. I dragged them souls right upstairs and I brought them to the trophy case and I showed them my name. My name in here for this. What we're doing right now, my name is in there for. And it's not just in there as, you know, oh yeah, he participated. No, that's a gold medalist right there. So everything y'all are doing, I've done. So listen to me. And I think by the middle of the season, um, we had trimmed off the dead weight, and we had had a solid group of like 15, 16 girls.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:59

Yeah, you guys look really good this year. Yeah. We had a solid group. I CSD, everyone was talking about you guys. Um I remember you sent me videos of the team. Guys looked really good.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:11

Um, I think we had five girls at one time ranked in the section. That's good. In the top four. It's one team. One team. Five girls ranked in the top four. So it was uh special, definitely. Um it was it wasn't just special for them, it was special for me because I took the job not knowing if I'd do well. Like that was my main fear. Like, you know, what if I can get out there and I completely suck?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:39

No, but I I didn't think that. I mean, it's wrestling. Like you and I tell you, you are a better wrestler than you were a football player. Naturally. I say it all the time. So now you're walking. Not saying you weren't, but wrestling was definitely your calling. It always been your calling. So now to give your knowledge to the next group, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:56

And I get to do it my way. Yeah, yeah. I'm saying I'm always referring to my assistant coach, Matt Curone, who's a wonderful dude, man. A wonderful dude. I found out during the season that he was the four-time coach of the game. Oh, that name sounds familiar. You know Matt Curone. He be with Voss all the time. Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah. That was my assistant coach. Okay, okay. That is my assistant coach, man. He on he's on for the long haul. We're doing this again next year. So um, yeah, he I sometimes we'll refer to him and he'd be like, yo, Chaplin, this is your thing, brother. Yeah, whatever you said to me sounds amazing. If you believe that it works, then it works. You gotta believe in yourself. I said, you know, you're absolutely right. I've I've done this before, like I'm I'm good at this sport, like I understand how to teach or whatever. So I just started not thinking about whatever everybody wanted me to do. And I just started, yeah, getting into a flow state where I can, you know, teach the girls what they need to learn, and then, you know, just refine what I'm building. And I think we we got off to a great start with the girls we had. Um, I think the highest one of them are ranked was number two in the section. Um, I think, and then we all went to sectionals because rankings mean nothing until you actually get to the show. Um, we brought three girls to sectionals because grades killed us. Killed us. I mean, we would have been going with but six or seven girls, but when grades came out, oh yeah, you know what I'm saying? So we have to figure out what to do next year to make sure that we're solid for that, because in winter sports, they they pull twice, they pull in the beginning and then they pull in the middle. So then it's like, you know what I'm saying? If you don't have it done or caught up in that amount of time, like you're gonna miss sectionals. So we we even had one senior miss sectionals because her grades were not good, and that that was crazy because she she could have placed high, she could have been in the top five. Um but anyway, we had um our senior that went with us, she took fourth in the section uh at 145, and then um our girl Salome, she took fifth at 160. Um, she beat a lot of good, like 160 was packed. Like 160 had a couple girls that had already been to the state tournament. Well, it's like that in boxing too, so it's it's it's the beginning. It's the beginning. She was successful in, you know, getting to her bracket. She placed higher than she was supposed to, so she had a good tournament. I mean, everybody had a good tournament. Everybody that we took placed between fourth and sixth. So, you know, we made the podium, that's cool. One thing I that would have made it a little better is if my number two seed um believed in herself. I think that's the biggest thing that I'm dealing with. Because with boys, same here, though, you can challenge their manhood and be like, you know what I'm saying, you're gonna let this do this to you. Yeah. But women are like naturally soft.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:02

So it's like it's like no, not in general.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:06

No, I'm just saying, yes, in this generation, they may look tough, but I said that they're naturally soft, they're softer individuals. So a lot of things that you don't think would make them cry would make them cry.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:20

No, I'm talking about the boys, like not none against them. My boy, like I got boxers, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:25

My my biggest thing right now is building their confidence, and that's not just kids drunk men, but it's like it's it's it's harder to build the female confidence because you gotta do so much more work. Yeah, and then by the time they're in high school, they're already, you know, having ideas about themselves, and some of them have boyfriends been broken up and treated wrong or whatever. Yep. Um, and that plays into their self-esteem as well. It does. So, you know, you you get in the room and you're not comfortable with yourself, you're not gonna perform properly. Um, I think my assistant coach said it cur said it the best. We were riding home one night and we were talking on the bus, and he was like, you know, this is like the only place that these kids go to where we don't expect anything from them but for them to better themselves. There you go. And when you give it to them like that, you know what I'm saying? Like when you go to school, your teachers expect work when you're in the hallway. The boys expect you to react to them. You know what I'm saying? The boys want you for certain reasons or whatever. When you come to wrestling practice, the only thing that you have to worry about is getting better as a wrestler. There's nothing else on your mind, you know what I'm saying? We don't demand anything else from you. There's nothing to go home and do. Just get in here and work out, work hard, and you're gonna get better. And I think by the end of the season, we ended with about I think our roster size was 14. Um, we had like the cream of the crop. There you go. The cream of the crop. And they are all like sophomores and juniors, so we'll have them again next year. We have a pretty solid team. I also have an eighth grader who could have placed in the section. Um, she was phenomenal out there. Like she was beating girls who were ranked in the section, the top three. And she's an eighth grader, it's her second year wrestling. So we get her back next year. That's gonna be fun. Um, my daughter's gonna be in the room. Yep. Jade had a very good modified season this year. She went five and two on the season. So that's very good to start out with. And she wrestled boys.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:31

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:31

So I told her, like, this year, you won't have to wrestle no boys, it's gonna be straight girls. But I'm telling you right now, they're just as tough, if not tougher, than the boys. Exactly. So they're gonna they're gritty, they're gonna want to get out there. She had one match at Liverpool with this black girl, and that black girl took her to dark to deep waters. Jay wanted to quit. She did. Saw it in their eyes, I saw it in her movement.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:55

When I wrestled, my issue was always seeing this. Because they were way more, they were more technical.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:02

Well, that's what it looked like when you're out there tussing around with Fulton. Because I mean, I went and watched her matches. Destroy Fulton. I'm seeing these Fulton cats and they they wrestling already. She wrestled a Fulton girl, and she was wrestling already like she was on a varsity team. Jade ended up beating her, but because her headlock is nasty.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:20

I liked Fulton. I loved wrestling Fulton, but when I wrestled CNS, I was like, I like wrestling everybody. Was it CNS? No, it was ESM. It was either CNS and ESM. One of them had it, they were just too technical. And I'm like, God damn it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:32

ESM, it was um, it was um Brett Adams that was always my kryptonite, probably until my junior and senior year. Because it little stringy kid, you know what I'm saying? He's 185, 200 pounds, but he he's a very good wrestler. Like his technique is insane, and his head is like mad big. You know what I'm saying? It was like a stick figure, and then a big old head is pushed on. And he come out there and leave with that big old head, and then he disappeared in front of your face. Next thing you know, he's on your leg, picking you up. You know what I'm saying? You on the ground, and he had very good top control pause.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:11

Yeah, I was just watching this um this video where this guy fakes out the double leg. I mean, it fakes the shoot just to get you to go uh just to get your other leg.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:22

Yeah, little misdirection shot. Yeah, I like that. That's what I'm trying to um teach them because I the girls didn't really know much. They had a coach, but the coach, she wasn't, she was good for them in a way that, you know, got exposure, got them out there, but she wasn't technically sound. Like she didn't know a lot about the wrestling. Her son wrestled, she wanted to be, you know, she was a part of that when her son wrestled, and she knew a little bit, but she didn't know what was needed to teach those kids this style.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:52

Well, what's the difference between coaching and parenting? You know, a lot of parents feel that they can get in coaching, and a lot of, you know, it's not the same. Like, yeah, you're you're you may be a good parent and you're a good team mom, but coaching is not the same. It's coaching is different. It's a whole nother level.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:07

And these they missed a lot of practice when they're a lot of stuff that they would need. Yeah. Um, like, you know, being at practice every day is portin' for so many reasons. And when you take a lot of gaps off, you you don't do yourself a favor, like you lose days on preparing yourself. You got to think of it like this we are already behind in the game because these kids are coming out of the snatch wrestling. Okay, so when our kids start in middle school or high school, we're already behind the eight ball. I didn't start to 10th grade, so I was already behind. To do what I did in that amount of time was phenomenal. You know what I'm saying? And that's just a testament to me being able to pick up the sport and understand movement and you know, being able to do stuff with my hands. So when I see that and I see these girls coming in here because a lot of these girls are sophomore juniors or seniors because wrestling's a brand new sport, so we don't have a lot of freshmen. So once these cats are coming in and they don't believe in themselves or they take their first L, I said, Hey, listen, this is the absolute time where you got to start putting it into form. Yep, everybody got to start doing what they got to do. You gotta start practicing in the room.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:19

So you need to lock in training in the room.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:20

Yeah, you gotta lock in. And I and I had these constant battles with my 55-pounder, um, my 52-pounder. She um she was ringed number two in the section. Um, and her biggest battle is her mind. Because, and I say this to her all the time: when she goes out on the mat, she's not just wrestling one person, she's wrestling two herself and her opponent. When really you and yourself should be jumping this girl. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You your mind should be on your side. I remember we were wrestling at Fulton, and she wrestled, she was wrestling a Fulton girl, and this girl was ranked ahead of her, and she was very good. They were talking about her going to States. Well, she's roughing this girl up, and the whole time she's beating this girl, she's crying because she's scared that she's gonna lose. Girl, you got her pinned on the ground and you're crying. Like at some point, you have to look at yourself and be like, hold on, man, I I'm really supposed to be here. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And I think um the section, the sectional tournament was it showed us that we had more work to do mentally because she went out there and was not herself.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:27

Like somebody she beaten a hundred times throughout the season. She got out there and they didn't do anything to wrestle or to beat her. She just did it to us.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:35

Beat herself. Listen, that goes right into you know what just happened with us uh at the Buffalo Golden Gloves. Shout out to Cheyenne Shaw, who is our New York State 143-pound um novice champion. Should be should be open. Um, we're working on that, pushing her open so that we can get some national exposure because I don't see anyone running through her at 143. Um, but I say that to say um one, she is our first golden glove champion, our only golden glove champion, and it shouldn't have it shouldn't be that way, but one of our fighters, um, I love him to death, and hopefully he's listening, it'd be Andreni Frias. Now, out of the whole tournament, Andy, you would think, is the one no one worries about. Andy was undefeated, um, really good shape, constantly training, constantly doing what he needs to do. However, that was when he was here. He ended up moving to New York City. I came out there, I trained with him, um, and I saw like, oh man, he's he's still on point. He's doing what he needs to do. We trained, I think we worked for two hours straight, and he looked amazing, came back to the came to the gloves, destroyed his opponent. And he still had a lot left in the tank. I left him alone, you know, he shooting me taxi of his training and what he's doing. So I'm thinking he's on point. We fight a bum. Like, no lie, bro, a bum. And the guy wasn't even hitting Andy like with shots, he was pushing Andy, like mushing Andy with his fake with his fist. And Andy had a hard time. Andy gassed himself out in the first minute of the first round. And I was devastated, you know. I got in the corner because I'm like, this isn't him, and I'm yelling at him, you know, because I because talking to him doesn't work. That's not how you get Andy to wake up. I had to yell at him, and that didn't work. And he was just a shell of himself, and it just sucks to see him, you know, because I know that he's way better. He's he wasn't the better man, didn't win that day. However, he did not allow his discipline to keep him on point during training, and it it showed, and it sucks because it's like I constantly call him and tell him, like, hey, you need to get back in the gym, you need to get back in the training, you gotta get back into practice. But I understand, you know, because I remember my first loss. My first loss, it hurt, it sucked, and I I I stopped, but I stopped training for what two years and then I fought again and then got another loss, and it was like, yep, that's it, it's over. You know, it was so much stuff that goes into that loss, but it it's even worse of a loss. I mean, it plays a bigger impact on you when you know that you lost because of discipline or you lost because you didn't have a coach. Like there's an excuse why you lost, and you lean in on that excuse instead of just really just like, hey, it's you know, a learning curve. Let's get in the gym and just get right to it. You know, it it's tough, you know. And I'm trying to get him to, you know, to bounce back because I think this guy has amazing potential to be an elite pro. You know, he's he's only got six box matches.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:07

It's not about bouncing back, man. You just gotta find his uh, you know, find his why and then allow it to motivate him because obviously something's lacking. Like he left here, and you know, they don't have the gym.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:22

Yeah, it's accountability. You know, here's making you run. I'm all I'm on it. Like Tuesday, like just like you, we run every day. We run Monday through Thursday. And I make you run with the team. So now there's no way you can say, hey, coach, I ran. I know you ran because the team ran. I made it happen. It's different when you're out there in New York City amongst all these elites and these uh top prospects, and you gotta do it on your own. And if you don't have the discipline, you don't have the you know mental toughness, it's not getting done.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:52

Self-motivation. Yeah. It's just not gonna, it's not gonna work. And that's what I'd be telling her. I said, if you don't have, if you don't believe in yourself, there's no amount of belief that I can have for you that's gonna help you get over that hunk. Because it's not even your ability. Like you are a phenomenal wrestler. You're you're really good at what you do. You just allow people to beat you mentally before you get there. But on the other end of that, we had this girl named, you know, I don't want to say her name.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:22

Um, but we'll call her Wah. Her name was Wah. That was her first name. Um, and she lost every single match. And I'm not talking about like she was in some, and you know what I'm saying? She just kept getting the badge raw. No, like she get out there, and them girls would rough her up and she'd be timid. But every time she got up, she smiled, she shook hands, and she came to practice every day. She didn't win a single match the entire season, besides forfeits. Yeah, and then we had this last girl, okay? My dog Moo. Moo, um, she did she went through a phase where she didn't win a lot of her matches either. Like, you know what I'm saying? She was just going out there and trying and trying. And she was so frustrated. But we got to this um this one tournament, and I I got on the bus, I stood up on the bus and I was like, all right, man, you know, I there there is no space for, yeah, these teams are good, but these teams are okay. Like, this is gonna be hard, but this is gonna be a little bit okay. No, everybody's good here, treat everything as good. Right? So if you either you want to be the hammer or you're willing to be the nail, whatever it is, you have to decide before you get off this bus. And apparently she decided because when she went out there, like she was hitting, first of all, she got down to her proper weight. She was wrestling at 120, she that was too big for her, and she went down to 114.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:48

Still bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:49

Yeah, so well, it was good for her because that was that was her range. That was where she was in the best shape and where people were at her size and she felt like she could handle them. So she started handling them, and you know, I'm talking about convincingly pinning girls, wrestling them hard, running moves, taking shots, getting takedowns, fighting back from adversity. Um, she ended being like four and two in that tournament. And I'm like, yo, you only lost to the big dogs of the tournament. Like, yeah, and this is at the end of the season. Now she did not make so um at the end of the season, all the coaches get together in the room, and then we do seedings. So it's basically all right, we got this cat at the number one seed. Did anyone beat them? And they'll be like, Oh yeah, I I beat them at the such and such tournament. Okay, so they're drop down, right? And then we go from there and from there. So it's basically like they're gonna call a name and you gotta call out if anyone beat them or not. And that's how you know it's been saying, and she was number 17 of the 16-man bracket, and she was showing the most improvement, she was the most excited, and it really hurt her. But instead of her like disappearing and not coming back to the room, she was in the room every day, helping her friend prepare. There you go. You know what I'm saying? Like doing workouts that she didn't have to do. And she was at the tournament for the entire day. So it was like I see you. She didn't want that time off. I see. And I we're gonna make sure you get to where you want to be at because you have the fire to want to do it. Yeah. Now, if I she bringing her sister this year coming up, her brother's gonna wrestle, but that doesn't matter to me. Um, she's saying her sister like her. If we can get two moves in the room, we're gonna have a time.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:34

I have a question for you. Um if you had to coach all boys or all girls, would you picking?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:40

You know, I've been posed this question already. I would, I wouldn't, I would not give up my girls' team for nothing.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:48

I would if I can choose all girls, I'm choosing no girls. I listen. They do listen.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:53

They listen, and they do listen and they apply it immediately. Yes, they give me slack, they argue with me a lot, they do talk back. Yep, yep. But it's nothing the hallway can't fix. You know what I'm saying? Once you start talking in my practice, I say, oh, okay, we got energy. Shut this down, whatever we're doing, get back to the hallway. And then after a while, they just stop talking to you about stuff and they listen to what you're saying because they know you're not playing. They apply. Then they apply it and they're they're drilling, they're working hard. Phenomenal. I remember when the first time we picked up live wrestling, so I used to give them, they used to wrestle for a minute 30 and then get water and then come back and find a new partner and wrestle again. Well, we were getting ready for sectional, so I'm like, yo, it's time for us to you know pick up the intensity, it's time to get ourselves in better shape. So we started wrestling a minute 30, doing our five, five, and fives, which is five push-ups, five sit-ups, and five air squads, and then finding a new partner and doing that for six minutes and then letting them get water, and then coming back and doing it again for another six minutes. So that's getting them in the mindset to wrestle. They're also wrestling different opponents, so they have to think differently about how to beat that opponent. Like it's just the what goes into it is is what I enjoy most. Like the thinking part, like, you know, deciding what to teach them and deciding how to do that. That's almost fun and that game plan and practice. It's fun, it's it's hard too, though, because you know what I'm saying? Because you have all this stuff in your head, and then you want to give it all to them, but you gotta understand, like, they can only take this piece by piece. Yep, yep, yep. Then they have to process that piece, and then you have to continue to drill that piece. So I could teach something like a move, and it would take me two weeks for them to get it solid because we'd have to keep going over it in two weeks. Once they get it, but once they get it, they get it and they and they use it. But you know, when you're building from scratch and you got to go out and face these teams who have, you know, a couple wrestlers who know four or five good moves and they know them well, you know, it it's kind of frustrating to you. So you're trying to accelerate the process by doing certain things. So just being able to play around with the formula and how to um get them to where you want them to be without overloading them or burning them out, the balance is the challenge. Like that that's it. And I think that's what d drives me to want to continue to coach a sport because I'm up for the goddamn challenge.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:20

Um I've noticed that um time away really gives you perspective, you know, and yeah, it that's really what matters, you know. Um and you know what, it's it's the people who stayed ready versus those who relied on the momentum. It's a huge difference. Like because momentum eventually burns out.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:52

Oh yeah. I mean, once I had the idea that I was gonna even even if it wasn't happening, the idea of coaching, being a head coach. Coach of a sport had me in a different mindset. Like it already changed. Like the thing, the way I looked at things, like was already different. Oh, yeah. I just never had the experience of being a head coach. So it was a lot of stuff that I was doing that was new to me. Or, you know, somebody will say, Oh, you're supposed to be doing this. And I'm like, Well, you know, I am just been throwing in the fire here. I'm kind of milling myself through. So, you know, now that I got the layer of land, like, you know, they ain't gonna put no fast ones on me no more. Yeah. Um, I even I even challenged a couple calls this year and got them overturned. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm feeling like I'm on cloud nine. Man, because I'm ready to I'm ready to argue out here. You know what I'm saying? Uh I'm ready to protect my girls because, you know, that's what they they I coach them, I protect them, and they go out there and they wrestle.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:54

I mean, and that and that's what we're out there to do, you know. Um that's what we're out to do. And as a coach, you your your job is to get to a level to where you see everything clearly. Yeah. You know, and then you know, once you get to that level, you don't unsee it. It just stays. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:10

I'm I'm trying to look at, I mean, I know for a fact that a lot of these teams that we wrestle have the luxury of time, right? So they've been wrestling for a while. But there's more to it when you go into those rooms and when you um and you see you see how they prepare and how they work, you know what I'm saying? Again, uh we worked I worked with G Mills for most of my life, and drilling is huge. Yeah, in every you know what I'm saying? In every sport. He said he used to say, Don't do it till you can't get it right, do it till you can't get it wrong. Yep. So the moment that you you try to do it to mess up and you still do it right, that's where that's when you know you drilled the move enough.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:58

I tell my boxers when working on their jab, like there's some so many times I try to get them to throw the like I'm like, hey, do it this way, and they just can't. And I was like, Yep, there it goes. It's cemented. Your jab is on point, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:10

You there. So I think next year we're gonna put uh an emphasis on drilling. Um, I'm gonna try to make sure that we have a board in the wrestling room, and I'm gonna try to write down where we are on the board so when I come in, I remember, and then when they come in, they can already see what we're working on, so they can kind of be thinking about you know the steps to those moves. Okay. But a lot of that is gonna be um I don't we we have a lot to build off of from last year. And like I said, we got a lot of kids coming back. Yes. So it kind of makes it easier because it's like having you know 10 mini coaches in the room. So I don't have to really be dialed in on everything.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:53

That's the best level to get. Yeah, yeah. Where you can step away and know that, hey, the something's gonna be critiqued because this person knows what and it gives me time to work on something else.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:02

To work on the the small pieces of the move. Because um I used to wrestle with this coach and he would do something, he'd be like, you know what, man, let me back up because I I keep forgetting the small pieces because I'm so used to doing the big things, you know what I'm saying? So he has to go back and go through every step of the move, and then I try to um I what I tried to do last year, and I'm trying to refine the process now, is get every girl film on when they wrestle. And then when they do that, they hear my voice in the background like critiquing each step. You know what I'm saying? Like here, you messed up here because you stepped here, and then your head was here, your hand was here. Like, I was able to do that and then send it to them, and they were super excited, like they look forward to it. Like, you know, I I can't wait to see it on film, and I can't wait to see how coach breaks it down because I'm really trying to understand how I got myself here. Well, if you're wondering, here's how. So this year coming up, I'm gonna get a um an iPads specifically for wrestling. So that way Listen, I got something better for you. That way I can do the that way I can do because when you're wrestling, we have to go through a system called track wrestling. And so everything's online. So when you look in the brackets are online, the the the bout um alignment is online. So everything that you need to do is online, and it's tough to do it on your phone because your phone only does a certain way.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:31

Speaking of that, I just looked up and I was looking at this stuff for my gym. Either a Bio, a trace, or a Pexelot.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:38

Oh, yeah, the little uh camera thing that you set up.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:41

Got you, bro. I was I'm like, yo, I gotta get moved for my gym. So I just sent you um while we're speaking uh a link to let you see the breakdown of the three so you could determine which one you want. But I'm definitely getting it.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:52

Yeah, yeah. I saw I saw that.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:53

I see it pop up on Facebook all the time, and I thought about it. Yeah, they're good. Um I just don't know which one, so I gotta really break it down.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:00

But you know, I think the top one, the green one, I think it sends the video to their email.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:06

No, they all you all of them have the capabilities of sending it. It's just which one is like each one is just a different look.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:13

But I gotta go in and I gotta slow it down and I gotta rewind it. Yeah, I mean, that's what I was doing for them. Like they were able to watch me go through the film one time and then go through the film again and watch the film, how I watch the film at home. You know what I'm saying? Like when I'm not around them. And when you do that, you know, you kind of give them give them the ability to watch film where you kind of teach them how to watch film, what they should be looking for, and you know, how to get through the film without feeling bad about yourself or about your performance. Because there are times I couldn't watch fights because I felt like I did so there's a training video right now I cannot watch with the sound on because I can hear Coach Bodie yelling at me, and I'm not doing nothing he's yelling about. You know what I'm saying? I it's just embarrassing to me. So once I got figured out how to watch film and figured out what to look for, it kind of made it easier to go back and see my mistakes and then learn from those mistakes. So that's what I'm trying to teach the girls right now. Um, and just believing in themselves, they already work hard.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:16

Affirmations, man, is big, man. I'm I'm working on that as well. Yeah. Um, just just because like you said, a lot of these kids don't they don't get that that praises, you know, so they don't really realize how they don't they are, and you have to realize where they're coming from because they I'm gonna tell you right now, they're not getting it.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:38

We had 20 girls. I've seen maybe two parents. See, maybe two, and a lot of them getting on the bus and they walking home, and you know, but I have to but I have to tell these kids like you're not the only one. You know what I'm saying? Boo hoo cried me a river. I walked here 6 30 in the morning, okay? Make it happen. You know, in the snow because my mama wasn't getting up to take me. And I walked home afterward, after a full day of wrestling. So I get outside and it's dark, I get back home and it's dark, and I'm walking home at both times.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:08

Walking from Southwest Community Center area to Nottingham High School. Yeah. Yo, listen. Day of football games.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:15

So, you know what I'm saying? I don't want to hear anything about you couldn't get here because you didn't have a ride. If you want to be here, you will make it here.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:22

Especially within today's society, man. They got everything. These kids are just pampered with so much. At the touch of a button. I could if I was 10 years old right now, I'd be a billionaire by the time I'm 16. That's a fact. And I'd be probably graduating early D1.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:39

That's a fact. Because there's so there is no work. When you have work ethic, you stand out. No work ethic, no. You stand out in this era. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, you see kids excelling at sports because they have the work ethic. And there's a saying they use all the time hard work be talent when talent doesn't work hard. There you go. I was gonna say that. And we have this infestation in the city of kids who think that their talent is gonna make them more successful than the work. It's not enough. It's not enough. That they have to put in to sharpen that talent up, to build that talent up. Like I had a kid come in my class and tell me that he's going D1. I said, brother, you don't have any grades and you can't stay in class. Yep. How are you going D1? What coach is gonna walk in the door and look at your report and be like, Yeah, I want to take him.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:30

You know where that comes from? The middle, I'm not gonna lie, the middle school era of, you know, and remember, remember we coached high school and we was like, yo, what the fuck is going on at the level but below us? Like, why are these kids coming to us doing this and doing this and doing that? And now we're seeing it. Now we're seeing it. These kids are being chased to play sports in the even though they don't have the fucking grades. Chased these kids are pushed along, yo, bro, and being put on the pedestal sports and they're fucking horrible.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:59

They're good at those sports.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:00

No, they're good at that middle school level, they are fucking horrible.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:04

But when they come into the school, you know what I'm saying, they start to play school ball, then they're not they're not making it or they have to relearn how to do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:13

A lot of these kids are being given a false narrative. A lot of your children, and I don't care if you have a problem, you can come to the gym, you can see me. Your children are fucking horrible in sports. Stop telling them that they're the GOAT and they're this and they're that. No, no. You're scoring four points in a in a modified basketball game. Like, that's fucking horrible.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:37

It's okay to encourage your children, but we have to be real too the encouragement. You're taking it too far. Oh, my baby going to the league.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:44

He can barely dribble right now. How? Your team scored 20 points, your child had four. How?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:51

Listen, in school, in school, we talk about smart goals. Okay. Let's make smart goals. All right. Goals that are, you know, sustainable goals.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:59

My son scored three touchdowns. Miss, you guys lost by 15 touchdowns. What the fuck are we talking about?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:05

Yeah. Yeah. It reminds me of the time that the parents tried to holler at me and jump on me because I didn't have their kids where they want me to have them. If you saw how your child practiced, you would know.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:15

Speaking of practice, I just had a kid complain, like, oh, because one of the teachers went to the games, like, oh, it seems like you guys were giving up, and you guys, it's just like, oh, coach doesn't put in the best players. We got some of the players that didn't even touch in the game. I was like, who who got in the game? Didn't get in the game. She's like, such and such didn't even get in the game. And you know, you know, she's she's really good. I was like, what does she do in practice? Well, in practice, she don't really like practicing. She don't really try and practice. I was like, what the what are we talking about? If she ain't gonna practice, she's not gonna do anything in practice. What makes you think we're gonna let her try it out in the game? That's just common sense. Like that, that's literally the mindset. Oh, I know you practice game. Yeah, I don't have to practice and I'm just gonna perform. No, where?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:56

Heck no.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:57

Where? Oh, I'm not gonna give you have an interview for this job, I'm just gonna walk in today and start working.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:02

Huh? But that's the mindset that is being created in the schools. That's what they're making them feel like. They're making them feel like when they get outside, they're gonna be able to do whatever they want. And then they have to face the harsh reality. And the ones that are not prepared are the ones that you go and see struggling.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:21

Yep, brand newspaper. Struggling. It sucks. I can't wait to talk about education. You know, I will say this to the listeners to um what you guys definitely should expect moving forward is um just raw, relentless passion. Um, we've been away for so long, so much has um had to slip through the track. Everything slip through the crack. Like, there's so much stuff we wanted to talk about. We had to talk about um it is going to be talked about. I don't care. Like, I I don't think I can beat everybody in the world, but I tell you this. I think I can beat about 85. 85 to 85, and then the 85 that the reason why I say I can beat 85 is you better be. I told somebody else, I'm gonna fight, I'll fight. If you beat me once, I'll fight you again. But the second time, if you beat me, just know I'm gonna have an army behind me. You ain't gonna win it third time. We ain't getting three strikes.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:30

I'll take the loss.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:31

Nah, I'll take my loss, I'll take my loss, and then I'm gonna fight you again.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:33

I'm in a 95%.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:34

But if I lose again, yeah, I got you, I got James, I got somebody, somebody, somebody's gonna have to give you smoke. So that way I'm gonna be victorious.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:46

That's doing crazy. Yeah, no. Yeah, listen.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:49

But but then again, yeah, I think I could be 85% because it says most men can't bench 25 pounds, most men can't do 20 pull-ups, most men can't run a mile. If you can't run a mile, you can't do 20 pull-ups, and you can't bench press at least your body weight. Don't even look my way.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:06

I had I used to say this all the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:08

Don't look my way.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:08

And I got it from Connor, but you have to have intangibles to be me. Like you have to be some sort of freak.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:17

That's what I said. 15%, I give 15% of the world the shot of the doubt. I've just seen the things that I can do on an on an international scale.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:28

Yeah. So Nah, I mean that the difference between me and you is you are in the heavyweight. You know, heavyweight, super heavyweight.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:38

It don't matter what weight I was in, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:40

Hear me, hear me, hear me. I am I I am 205, soaking wet, with a bad knee. It's not my I can do a lot, but if I gotta go against somebody 6'8, 300, I I'm I'm punching you in the throat. And if that don't work, you say you can't. My tactics are limited. Yeah, I'm gonna let him get tired. But then again, no, but look at that, look at that guy that who just did the draft, he's like 300 pounds from Africa. I don't know what the fuck he's gonna do in the NFL. Um that they just drafted.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:13

Oh, yeah, I saw him. He never played a game every day in his life.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:16

So, you know what I mean? Like, if it's me and him, you know, I'm gonna have to let that motherfucker get tired. But if he don't get tired, I'm I'm out of you can't say that.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:23

That's why I said 95, because that's 1% of the 5%.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:27

You know what? I someone just broke it out to me. It's like I never really paid attention to this, but college sports create superhumans. Yeah, they do. Like, think about the average man. The average man cannot lift 205.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:45

Yeah, you got kids.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:47

The average man cannot squat 225. Like, we're talking about the average man. Like, we're working in the mall, we're seeing a lot of average people walk past us. A lot of them are frail.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:01

There were a lot of rumors about um jails not allowing inmates to work out. I mean, you're creating superhumans, you're creating super criminals. You are everybody in there getting their reps in. Now they're throwing the guards around.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:14

Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, guards are regular people.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:18

They ain't going home doing the reps as they doing in jail, uh doing their dips in their room.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:23

It's different, bro. But yeah, I I never really paid attention. Like, college creates superhuman athlete. Like, athletes are created into superhumans. Like, there's only a certain percentage that make it to the league, but out of the percentage that never makes it to the league, you compare them to the average human being walking around, they're it's not even a comparison. Yeah. Think about it. We we were in college, and mind you, this was in our my drunken stage. Remember, we used to be in a like out, we beat out, and people would be in my way, and I just picked them up and just move them. Like, think about that. I was literally picking people up and moving them out the way. I was doing this. Hey, bye. Excuse me, you're in my way.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:07

I picked up my wall back by his belt.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:10

Yo, think about how fucked up that is.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:12

And ran through a haunted house with him. Yeah, with his belt.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:15

Yeah, so like I sit here and I think, like, wow, you know? These are things that no people would not be able to do. But I guarantee this generation is not like that. This generation is different. This generation is different. They don't want to put in the work ethic. We were putting in the work ethic. We were running. We were, you know, I was I was Mr. Abs. You know me. That's all I did all day long. Abs, abs, abs and cab raises. Abs and cab raises. Abs and cab raises. That's all I cared about. And you know his back paid for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:46

But anyway.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:47

It's all right. You know, but so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:50

He worked with his abs so much he tore his back up.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:52

Hey, listen, it's all right. Pause. Um your own back? Hey, there's some weirdos out there.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:58

Oh. You one of them, huh? No, no. That's sound crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:02

I'm just making sure nobody even puts me on that on that pedestal. But um, I was saying, like, you know, what listeners can hear moving forward is just passion, relentless um honesty, and um really touching on serious topics, serious topics that people don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:21

It's a lot going on in the world, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:23

Too much going on in the world.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:24

I just be thinking about every day. I gotta get getting that out.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:27

Just like our time in Iran right now. It's insane.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:32

It's been going on for years. People don't realize this country, there hasn't been 10 years since this country was formed that we have been not at war. We've been at war forever. We've probably only had maybe 10 years of peace.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:48

Listen.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:49

And it's usually the same people.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:51

It is. And I mean, all the time I hear us talking about, you know, threatening Iran and talking about Iran having whatever they want.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:58

Weapons of mass destruction. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:59

And then we know that, you know, just the Jews want to take a piece of their land because, you know, they are they are looking to create their holy land. You know what I'm saying? So that's why they're attacking. Because right now we're fighting Iran, but we're also leveling cities in Lebanon.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:20

We've been doing listen, we've been doing a lot of messed up stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:23

We've been doing a lot of horrible things.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:24

I I try not to talk too much because people have left the military because of that going on. You know, the stuff that was going on. You see why I left. I told you what was gonna happen before it happened, and I'm sitting watching most of the stuff and vote. There's no way. No way.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:40

This dude named Um Jerome Lawrence Lawrence Johnson on Instagram. Um, he could be calling um Kenny Hexeth Henny Hexeth because he always drinking. But he he I've been through some shit. He really puts out some like great questions to ask. He does his research and he puts it all together, and it's uh it's put together well. It's kind of comedy at first, but like you look at this stuff and you see it, and like, yeah, this is insane. And we're just allowing it to happen. No one's getting arrested.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:13

We got the same thing going on, our city. Think about the aquarium.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:17

Yeah, a lot more than the aquarium.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:19

Think about it. I'm just saying, no, just just think just about the aquarium. They said it was gonna be this price, then it was this price, then it was gonna be this price, and then this price, and then we don't have the money, and then we just end up finding money, but this is where we got the money from. Just you know, and guess who's gonna pay that money back? Us. Us. But look at the potholes out there, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:47:38

You want people to come visit.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:40

Do you see the patchwork they tried on uh get us? Listen. I don't know if you saw it, but they they they did a to me. I think it was a shitty job, the patchwork they did.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:48

It probably was.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:49

Shitty job.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:50

We do nothing for the sustainable long term. You know what I'm saying? There's a lot of questions. Knowing that we're gonna have to come back out and do it again.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:59

There's so much stuff that we're gonna cover. We're gonna talk about politics. We're gonna talk about uh local politics, we're gonna talk about schools, we're gonna talk about education, we're gonna talk about sports, but it's we're gonna hear it. Not these we've been chilling, cushy.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:16

But we really bought the vague, wide open conversation. We gotta start.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:21

Like, I definitely want to get on that CBA versus the city school conversation. People are like, oh my god, they're I I don't want to say too much, but I don't care.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:30

If you look at the the way everyone's recruiting is everyone's recruiting, everyone wasn't recruiting, though. CBA was recruiting at a time where we weren't allowed to recruit.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:38

No, remember we recruited.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:40

You can only go to school in your zone.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:42

That was then. We're talking about now everyone recruits.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:45

Right. I said back then. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:46

Then but now everyone recruits.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:48

Now there's now everyone does not recruit, but there are no zones. But everyone doesn't recruit from 11 different counties. That I will give them however, however, and then you're taking the best athletes from 11 different counties and putting them on your team and then turning around and playing those same sports.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:08

I'll give that, but I know I know that there's schools here who've been recruiting in other sports, and their sports are just untouchable. Like, there's there's more like so everyone gets mad at CBA. Like, I'm I didn't want to talk about it. We'll get more in depth into it. Like, okay, CBA, yes, they got these players, you got these players, you got these players. However, it's like, oh my god, the city schools, let's keep it real. All the city schools are the same. Corcoran, Henniger, Nottingham, the behaviors in the schools are the same. Maybe the sports aren't the same, but the same, they're suffering and going through the same thing. You got the same amount of gangs in all these schools. No, definitely, but we're just gonna talk about local. Like, everyone says, Oh, you you know, some graduate from go to Howard and go to here, blah, blah, blah. Like, like, how many students are really trying to go to these schools? Like, out of the kids who go on to college, how many of them? Are young, successful men. A lot of the notoriety that a lot of these high schools get in our city are because of the young women who usually aren't athletes that go to those colleges. It's not the male, black male college athlete that went to Harvard. It's not the black male college athlete that went to an Ivy League school or D1 school, right? Let's let's spit facts. You know, what's going on in these city schools is different. In a suburb school, yes, you got to deal with racism, you got to deal with drugs. But in this inner city school, you got to deal with violence and and gangs for no reason.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:36

You gotta deal with that in other schools, though. They're just better at covering it up.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:38

Yes. But if the our schools are covering up, it's a lot of stuff we don't hear about.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:43

It's impossible for our school to cover up the amount of nonsense that's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:45

Social media doesn't cover it up, but our city CSD covers it up.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:50

You don't hear nothing about Liverpool. And it's like that school is perfect. But when I talk to people when I talk to people, that's what I said. Social media, that's what I said social media.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:59

Because they've talked about three times about the um the gun, uh, the gun threats and the uh But it's it's more than that going on. It's a lot, it is, it is hazing and stuff. Like it's but you know, once again, but I agree with that, but there's a reason why they cover that up. Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:51:17

Right, because they have a uh we're a suburb school, we have a level of perfection here. Exactly. We're not doing what the city schools are doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:24

If the city schools, I felt the city schools should raise the bar. You want to be treated like the suburb schools, start acting like the subur schools. You want to be treated like the suburb schools, start holding Peter Connelly.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:33

We're trying to coddle every little thing. We can't, and you you can't save them all. Nope. You really can't. It's good to try, but I mean, we we we give some kids the opportunities that they shouldn't even be getting at all. Some kids need to be held back, they need to have an extra time in that grade because they're not fully grasped and they're not mature enough, or they're not getting what's going on. You moving them along only makes the problem worse.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:57

And you and I both know we got kids that never made a day of school and passed. Never, you never stepped the foot in the building, you passed because pushing them along.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:04

No child left behind. Everybody's getting tucked in, I can't, no matter you pass or not.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:10

I can't talk about this educational person.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:13

Listen, they are punishing athletes for uh failing a class, failing two classes.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:18

When the rest of the building Not in high school, because in middle school, I got I mean, no, not in middle school, I'm sorry. Not in middle school, in high school, yes. In middle school, I I know I know kids that ain't passing at all and playing sports.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:30

My middle school wrestler, my eighth grader, did not go to sectionals because she didn't, she was failing four classes, because they held her accountable at the high school level, not at the middle school, and that's where they need to start it.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:39

You know what I'm saying? They need to hold her accountable at the middle school level.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:41

But I had to tell her, like, you get two appeals, two appeals. So if I appeal you in the eighth grade and you need another appeal in ninth grade, you're done for the rest of your high school career. If you don't pass a class, you won't ever play again.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:57

We gotta hold them accountable at a younger age. We can't wait till high school. Yeah, because that's that's what's that's what's destroying it.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:03

It starts at home. I mean, well, home, I mean that's another conversation because you again again 20 20 wrestlers only seeing two parents.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:14

And that's the difference between the suburbs and the inner city. Me, I'm homeschooling Maddie. But I I I ref I will not, even though I graduate from SESD, I work in SESD, I will not. If I had a choice, let's say Maddie was middle school age, Maddie wouldn't be going to SESD. I don't care. You know, I thought about doing that. I thought about in there, oh the social. My daughter will get the social development from everything that she does. She goes to my gym, she goes other places, we will make sure she gets the socialization. The issue is she will not be getting a watered-down education. A watered-down education. How many students get homework in SEST?

SPEAKER_02 1:53:54

A lot. My daughter gets homework in math every day.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:57

No, no, no. Your daughter probably. But on average, on average, how many kids get homework?

SPEAKER_02 1:54:03

Who knows? I only know the ones who do homework. How many, yes, you know some places?

SPEAKER_03 1:54:06

And the ones you know are probably the ones that get it. They're only ones. Listen, textbooks. We don't have textbooks. We don't use textbooks. I haven't seen a textbook. Yeah, we don't use textbooks, so thus far we don't use homework. We don't use anything that helps broaden the kids. Bro, it's so much. Like I said, we can go on a tangent. Just like the SC, me and you just talked about it yesterday. State testing, everything's electronic. Well, everyone's trying to do it at the same time. You know, it's shut down. Why not use paper?

SPEAKER_02 1:54:39

Because they don't want to do the work. You know what I'm saying? The scan trial, all you gotta do is put the slip in the thing and it's scan the slip. Why do you have to do that?

SPEAKER_03 1:54:47

We're so dependent on technology, and our kids are so dependent on technology. I'm glad that you said that. They are not learning, they can't read, they can't write, they there's no handwriting. They all write just like they text, and they all the girls write like boys, like the sloppiest handwriting ever. I am losing brain cells trying to read essays.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:06

Wait till I show you this Celtic glyph that I had to read. Okay, this girl wrote this paper for me and she put it on my desk. And I said, This looked like the lettering from the ring on Lord of the Ring. This is like the ring is telling you one ring to rule them all. That's what it looked like. Now I gotta go home, look up how to find these letters, and then match them up to these. We're not doing that, and see if I can read what she's saying. And this is not just like she wasn't just going fast, like she wrote an entire paper like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:41

Yeah, bro. It's it this generation is beyond cooked. Beyond cooked. Yeah, I'm working on y'all stuff, but I'm trying to read this one girl's book. And one on one side, I'm like, man, I like I like the you know the opportunities that are getting them is like at the other side, I was like, God damn, we're setting them up for failure.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:00

But you know what? You can see the ones that have started at the end.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:04

And they stand out. They stand out, they stand out.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:06

I have a pod full of kids who are the ones that they're the hard workers, like they have the work ethic, like they want to be better, they want to pass their class, they have a want to want to win. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:56:21

The only thing that I see, so we had a pod like that, and now that pod is now being mischievous because they see everyone else can get away with it. Well, yes, all the time. And that's the only thing that sucks. And that's the part of the problem is the kids, the smart our our most brilliant pod is now just like, hey, well, we're gonna do it because everyone else is doing it and get away with it.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:44

Everybody else is getting because they are good kids. Yep. And they're not allowed to have the extra. Well, no, you don't need to do that. You don't have an issue like him. And the only his only issue is he can't follow directions. Yep. You know what I'm saying? He don't have to follow him at home. So why would he come to school and have to follow? Exactly. And then a lot of time, parents empower their children to be as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:06

Oh, you ain't gotta listen to the teacher.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:08

Call me. I'm coming up there. Oh, no. Look what you created. You know what I'm saying? Look at the the things that you are doing. Trying to keep a kid in the school building because you think it'd be better for him to be there is affecting his ability to change his ways. Because if you keep protecting him and he knows that he's gonna keep doing what he wants to do to be protected, constantly, but once you let that child feel a consequence, no such thing, they're not gonna want to have that consequence.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:37

Listen, child's never wrong.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:38

You stop taking away consequences, you start adding issues.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:42

Accountability is getting.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:43

There's no accountability in the blue shit. There's no accountability.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:46

We're gonna. I know why there isn't, and we're gonna talk about that next week. And it's gonna ruffle some feathers.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:55

I might say it now.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:56

I might I'm gonna leave you on a note. This is my conspiracy theory. How many men are in schools, James? How many? So when you have women, and I know someone's gonna be upset when you have women who don't believe in accountability raising the next generation at home and at school, where you're expecting to see accountability.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:28

That's true. But you gotta remember this too. Um it's not all about accountability of the parent. Right? When you're in school and and and you're teaching these kids you want them to have accountability because you're the one that got to deal with them.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:47

But that's what I'm saying. No, what I'm saying. I don't think it's the teachers. No, no, I'm not saying that. I'm asking you. If there's no accountability at home, because of that in the building, and there's no accountability in the building because of who is typically running the homes and running the schools, where do you expect to see accountability? You get what I'm saying? Well, there's not enough males in the schools.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:10

It's not even about males. It is, it's not about males, it's about people.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:15

Men believe, hold on, the reason why I say males, and I people can get upset, but men think about what? Logic and accountability. That's what big men are big on logic and accountability.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:28

I would I would just say logic. I wouldn't say accountability.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:31

For the most part, most men. I mean, yes out here. You can't call them men. Just because they're walking and they're a male with a pen a male with a penis doesn't make them a man. Genetically. Alright. That's where I was. Responsibility. We'll talk about responsible. Responsibility. As a man, you're responsible to protect, to procreate, and to own up to all of your actions and abilities. Right? Where do you get that from? That's what I tell my kids. I tell my kids all the time, especially in the gym. Yeah. Okay. You gotta be accountable for all of your actions. So say words. Say that. And then procreate as a man. Yeah, yeah. That's why I tell my kids what makes a man. Your word, being accountable for your actions, and then being able to procreate, protect. That's what separates you from being a woman. Right?

SPEAKER_02 2:00:29

You know what? Other people wouldn't have that in their head as what a man is. You know, there's a different idea every time you look around on what a man is. You know what I'm saying? If you ask a woman who's been hurt by a woman, why do you ask a woman what a man is? They won't listen. Because they're not a man. Listen, but they think they know. No. If you ask a woman who clearly why there's no logic there, they will say that men are horrible. If you have a woman who had a great father and who was who relationships haven't been bad, you know what I'm saying? They're kind of, yeah, some men are bad, but they're not all bad. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 2:01:03

So You can't ask a woman what a man is.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:07

You can. Just like you can ask a man what a woman is.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:10

I mean, no, you can ask what traits. What traits you what are womanly traits?

SPEAKER_02 2:01:15

Ask a woman.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:16

A woman know what they what a man is if a woman is never a man.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:21

You can't get an accurate answer because you were not, you know what I'm saying? You weren't a man.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:27

I dare someone to ask me, hey, what is a woman? What is a woman, Mr. Chaplin? Or what is a woman, Curtis? I can't tell you. I can tell you what a womanly traits. I can tell you the traits of what to me tells what a quality woman looks like. I'm glad you said that right there. But I will not I cannot tell you what a man is.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:48

Nobody can tell you what a woman is telling what a man is, and nobody can tell you what a woman is because it's different for everyone.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:55

But you also have to you also have to experience it to be able to tell someone. I don't want your empathy. I don't want your what is that called? Your trauma bonding and empathy. You can't empathize with something you're not. You can to another. You to a level you can, but not fully.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:09

I'm about to say that sounds crazy.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:12

The reason why I say that fully, no one can tell me that is not a man that they understand what it's like to be a man. That's spit in my face. Off rip.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:21

Why? What have you gone through as a man that makes sense? Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:26

I've been through so much just being a black man.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:31

I understand that.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:33

And as a man, there's so much stuff that I've gone through as a man, but then it's even extra as a black man. That there's no way any woman, like, listen, I hear you go through cardships and you got this. You don't understand what life is like as a man and a black man. I hear that all the time. That's two negatives.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:51

I hear that all the time. And then one day I was reading something, and I think I screenshot it my phone somewhere else. Um I was reading something, and I had to think to myself, like, where was this ever written down that a minute a man is supposed to be this way and a woman is supposed to be with this way. You know what I'm saying? Everybody always talking about, oh, my grandfather, my grandfather did this for my grandmother, and she did this, and they did you lived in a different time. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 2:03:30

You the expectations and yeah, we're different.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:33

They don't want to work to build a home anymore. They want you to work to build a home, and they're just gonna make it better. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:42

You know what I'm saying? I've been seeing that on social media too. Make it better. Yeah, I've just seen that. Like a woman by being there. Oh, what do you bring to the table? Oh, I my my essence, my presence. I am the table.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:53

What does that even mean? Uh what does that even mean? You don't want to help with the bills, you know what I'm saying? Because that's a man's. Are you gonna clean? You gotta be able to build a house. You know what I'm saying? But these are all 50-50 things. These are all things that you can do together because raising a kid and feeding a kid are not a separate cast split by gender. No, no, not at all. You know what I'm saying? I feed my kids feeding the kids maybe because back in the day you had the breastfeed. Yeah, that was it. There wasn't no, you know what I'm saying? You have stuff that infant.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:26

We got stoves, man.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:27

Nah, you got stoves now. But when they started up with infamil, you know what I'm saying? The daddy can now get the bottle and feed the baby. Yeah. I fed my daughter a lot. I used to fed my daughter while playing the game.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:37

I'm about to go feed Maddie some snacks while I'm out watching. Watching uh, what is this show called? Uh Devil World Prada. Yeah, but look at that. Yeah, Maddie gonna be sugared up.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:47

This is just the stuff that I be thinking about at home. You know what I'm saying? And me being single and and looking out into the world and trying to find somebody to be with, it just makes it off-putting because now I have to be the superhuman to even get you to look at me, and then I have to try to keep you impressed. If you don't like me initially, I'm not pursuing you. Okay? I there's no way I'm gonna try to work to get you to like me and then maintain that style of work. That's why relationships burn out.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:24

No, just be you. If I can't be me and you can't be working, then it's over.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:28

Because you saw me, you like my vibe, you like how I act, you like how I sound, you like how I look. That's what it is. Anything that comes from me is extra. Me liking you is is is it.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:41

Because you could like me and I don't like you, but it's okay. That's a fact.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:44

And you don't know if you can like me. That's why when when girls be trying to tell me, you know what I'm saying, like, oh, I don't, I'm not having sex, so I have a boyfriend. How do you think you're gonna know if you're sexually compatible?

SPEAKER_03 2:05:56

That's just a waste of time. I I am a damn near married man, but I know when I was single, there's no, bro, there's no way. Listen, I'm not, you can listen to this podcast and you look at me any way you want. I don't care. My job isn't to make you happy. I make my daughter happy, I make my family happy. But I'm telling you right now, all that waiting until marriage and waiting until being a relationship, bro, I never believed in that. And I and I ref and I I would be, I'm not saying that I wouldn't have let nobody tell me that, but I that wasn't happening. You're not telling me that. Me, I wasn't, I wasn't even hearing that. Oh, you know, like it didn't make sense. Like, if you liked me and you were staying at night in my crib and slaying up sleeping in my bed, and you had, you know, whatever type of clothing on, and you were trying to, you know, uh push up on me, and then, you know, oh, oh, I'm I you're not my boyfriend. Okay, no problem. I'm turning over in the next, and you ghosted. Being in my bed. You're not gonna, you're not gonna waste my time and and lead me on and do all like, no, no. However, you know how how I made sure that never happened. I I put my um my ground rules right out, flat out. Hey, this is my expectation. Hey, da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da. Oh, okay. Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da perfect, good to go. Yeah. That's how you that's how you fix it.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:22

Well, first, first you gotta know, you gotta know their expectations first before you start.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:26

I was an asshole, though. Yeah, I can't. Remember, I was an asshole, so I told them, hey, listen.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:34

No, I'm talking about back then. We understand.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:37

I don't have to worry about that. I don't know what that life would be like. I couldn't imagine myself single and dating right now.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:42

Now, if you can find yourself at my house past 11 p.m. and in my bed, and you're not my girlfriend, I think it's okay if we have sex. I just I just see I think it's okay. I think it's okay. Unless that was that's true, you know, but when you have your own space, I have my own space, you know what I'm saying? I don't like to be in other people's spaces, so I'd rather people come to mine.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:10

Well, we're walking apart. So that way it don't have to come up.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:13

We're not talking about what it's 11 o'clock at night, Curtis. You're not getting the night? You're not getting it. Oh, yeah. If you're coming over them hours, yeah, them hours, those certain hours. If you're coming over and I tell you I'm going to bed and you decide that you get into bed too, okay. I'm expecting our sleep. Well, I I'm not expecting anything because nothing has to happen.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:34

It doesn't have to, but I think I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:36

I like it if something happened, you know what I'm saying? Hear me. And if nothing is going to happen, don't make it, don't speak as a single man because you're not single.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:43

I know, but I've been saying a woman can speak about what a man what is a man and they don't have to be a man, so I should be able to speak as a single man. I'd rather it happen.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:55

You said that. You said that a woman cannot speak for a man and a man cannot speak for a man.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:58

But you told me they could. You told me they could. So that's why I can speak for a single man if I'm not single.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:03

No, you can't. You can't because you're not single, and you can get in trouble. Me, I cannot.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:09

No, I'm not gonna say nothing that's gonna put me in any any compromising situation.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:13

I don't know how to not say stuff to put them in a conversation. Anyway, as the single one here, the resident expert. You know what I'm saying? There, I just I don't allow many people into my space, and I'm also not, you know, a frequent fan dangler. You know what I'm saying? I I don't have multiple partners. No, no. But if I'm vibing with you and you have an expectation to be my boyfriend, you have yo.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:41

That's on there. That's not getting edited out.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:43

I do the editing. What do you mean?

unknown 2:09:46

No.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:47

What do you mean? I didn't take that along. But I'm gonna leave, I'm gonna leave it on there because it was an honest mistake. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 2:09:56

If you want to be my girlfriend, you might have lost my train of thought. No, listen.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:02

I lost my train of thought.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:03

You're gonna speak as a single.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:05

No, you're not. You still trying to this, and I'm still trying to say what I got to say because I'm the resident expert, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:10:10

Right now. Right now. At one point in time, I was. No, but at one point of credibility.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:16

It does take away the credibility because you're not in it now, because times are different. Yeah, times are different.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:20

I will give you that.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:21

Times are different now, and if you're not trying to give up sounds like chaos, give up the what they're asking for off-rip, yeah, you ain't being involved with nobody. You know what I'm saying? And and and dating someone shouldn't be going out and you know, trying to be impressive for social media. It should be a time for you and them to get locked in, get to know each other, and to get to know each other. You if you're spending time in a public, you're just showing other people that you're together. Yeah, you're not getting to know each other.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:58

I didn't do it.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:59

It's not it, it's not the moment's not intimate. I can't have deep special conversations with you because we in public.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:06

And that you know what? I'm gonna just take you, tell you what I used to do. And everyone doesn't have to do what I did. But when I went out on dates, I chose the dates and I was going to spots where I'm not spending a lot of money.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:18

Curtis already know what you was doing. He was going to the coffee shop, you're going to the park, we're going to the house.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:26

Girls don't want to do that these days. Well, then I don't know what to tell them, bro.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:31

Girls don't want to do that these days.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:32

What they want a Birkin bag? You better have bring your Birkin money to go to the mall.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:37

To pick them up with a production, right? You got the flowers, you gotta you gotta open a door for them, you gotta kiss them.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:45

I can see you opening a door. Flowers on a first date. Let me spit what I'm spitting, and then let me get to the final part though. Come trying to cut me off.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:55

It doesn't matter. Just listen to what I'm saying. Stop trying to overanalyze. Right, but let me get the full information out there. No, she didn't even lose my train of thought on that.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:04

You're talking about how girls date nowadays. And what was I saying? You're talking about they want flowers, they want you to do it.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:10

They want a production, right? Flower open the door, whatever. But the moment that you think that you get in some afterward, there's an issue. There's another point I want to bring up, right? Something I've been thinking about often. So I talked about production. I talked about the flowers or whatever. Um immediately jumping into being in a relationship. No. And this is the problem.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:42

Before knowing each other?

SPEAKER_02 2:12:43

Before knowing each other, before getting to know each other. Here's my thing.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:48

If you're trying to marry that person, then I understand that.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:51

No. If you're trying to marry that person, you'd be trying to take longer. And I'm gonna explain why. So a person once said to me, like, oh, I was watching this thing on TikTok. There's a problem there, right? Other people's opinions and making it fact. A man usually knows what he wants within two weeks. Shit, I know immediately. Not me. Not me. Because I've been in so many different relationships where the person I thought I was with is not the person that I'm actually with. So now I have to see how you handle rough situations, how you are when you're happy, how you are when you're frustrated, how you are when you don't eat. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 2:13:29

Like I do my investigation.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:30

These are all things, no, because that's stalking. Uh-huh. These are all things that you need to be figuring out before you're in a relationship with someone else.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:40

That's not stalking if I do my investigation. I'm not saying I go crazy on their page and looking up stuff. No, I have conversations and we talk.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:48

You have to be but right. But that's a part of the process of dating. That's a part of the process of finding out if you're together. Also a part of that process is knowing if you're sexually compatible because that can destroy a relationship. If y'all are not right, then you can talk about all the conversation you want. Chill out. You can talk about all the conversation you want to talk about in the world about talking during if y'all are not sexually compatible, okay? Or if they ain't got the sparks don't fly, they ain't got the right pieces that you need, the size is wrong, the diameter is different. You know what I'm saying? Like there, there could be a problem. Now you just wasted all this time being in a relationship and trying to get to know somebody extra when you could have just, you know what I'm saying, smacked in the first two weeks of it and be like, ah, you know what, it's not gonna work out for me.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:36

Right? And that's why, like, at most restaurants, you know, I mean not most restaurants, but most places you can get a uh a sample, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:14:42

I get it. Yeah, yeah. You go to the ice cream shop, you see a flavor, you're like, you know, let me get a sample of that. And then you scoop it up and you taste it, you're like, you know what, I don't really like that. You know what I'm saying? So I like to get that stuff out the way first, not saying I'm going around sleeping with other women and just you know, doing what I want to do.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:00

I will I will think of this on the as a dad with a daughter. I don't like that mentality. Because ain't nobody gonna be sampling my daughter.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:08

I'm yeah, but that's your own personal feeling. Okay, your daughter's gonna do what she wants to do when she gets to that age. 25. Whenever she wants to. You know what I'm saying? My daughter's 13, and I already had to run down on somebody because he asked her if she's a freak. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's insane. That's insane. But as adults, as adults, like we should be able to move like adults. If I like you and the situation is flowing toward towards us being physical, and you why would you shut that down?

SPEAKER_03 2:15:38

Not gonna lie. I don't I don't know. I I'm not gonna lie. I I think this generation or this era would be too complicated for me because I done seen some because I've seen it is complicated, I've seen so much stuff on social media where dudes have like gone left, and it's like, bro, where did that come from? Like, yo, yo, you almost have to lose yourself to be in relationships. Yo, like I seen one be like, yo, dude, dude, like you're not focused. They just have a random conversation, like, yo, that ass is fat. And it's like, yo, bro, how did that even come about? Like, did you build up to it? Did you have the permission for that? Did you like, yo, like, you know what I mean? Like, chill, bro. You just far left. Ain't no way. You don't see anything to me. No, I don't say wild stuff off rip. I build stuff up, then I say wild stuff in the past. Yeah, like I'm I'm yeah, I'm saying to the person, like I've seen like women put stuff in their inbox, like, yo, like a dude, like, hey, how you doing? Yeah, like, yo, nigga, yo, what is wrong with you? But then you make it harder for people who are genuinely trying to date. So I definitely understand that. And this is where I say, so many simps have messed up the dating environment. But then on the vice versa, what I just was watching this woman, she has five baby fathers and six kids, but then she says she wants a uh uh a guy who makes over a hundred K a year, and it's like, what? And she's gonna be celibate and wait until marriage.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:07

I remember I miss my uh I miss high school love. Craziness. Uh dude, because you were with that person because you like that person, not what they can do for you, right? I understand wanting to make your life better. Um, finding the right person to make the life better. But if you like that, I mean, those can be one of the things that can cancel the situation for you. If their life is not together, you can you can push out the way if that's not what you want, but at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:32

What about the audacity to have six kids with five baby fathers and then say you're gonna be celibate?

SPEAKER_02 2:17:38

Just because you have kids does not mean you can't change your mind on how you present yourself or how one of the people.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:44

I didn't say kids, but I mean if you have five kids and five baby fathers, why do I have to wait now till till marriage?

SPEAKER_02 2:17:53

Again, that is someone else's preference in their choice because they want you to. That's that and I and I understand that I get that, right? Wow. You're feeling you're feeling a little bit used, so you gotta ease up. Like, you know what? I've been drinking too much, let me put this bottle down.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:08

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:08

You know, I've been used a little too much. Let me relax and go back.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:13

You can't keep the standards of, and it's crazy, and it's crazy. You saying people can't change their standards? No, I'm saying Kevin Samuels said that he was like, yo, you can't have the standards of top tier when it's not top tier no more. Right? I can't sell my 1930, you know, box Chevy, I'm just using numbers, with 600,000 miles as if it's brand new, fresh off the lot. Really?

SPEAKER_02 2:18:39

Because you about to get a car for 200 with 240,000 miles on it.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:42

They said truck, I just told, I was told trucks don't, it doesn't matter how many miles, as long as the body frame, I was told like three people who are trucks. They said, because if you have a truck and as long as there's no like mechanical issues or nothing wrong with the frame, that bitch will ride forever.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:56

Yeah, but guess what, man? How often are you seeing a truck ride forever?

SPEAKER_03 2:19:00

Nobody, uh bro, I just seen somebody with 600,000 on the dash. How the fuck you get 600,000 miles on your truck?

SPEAKER_02 2:19:06

Because they put the work in, they put the tools on the on the car.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:10

You know how old that truck was? I don't care. 30 years old and still running.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:13

It's a dude that got a 50-year-old car in the back of my house right now. Oh, yeah, yeah. That car dropped in the work every day because he puts in the work every day. The hood is up truck. He's working in it. You, Curtis, are not a mechanic.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:26

I don't gotta be a mechanic on YouTube. You're not even proficient in YouTube. Yeah, man. I yeah, right. I done fixed the washing machine, I done fixed a lot of stuff around the house. I'm about to fix that uh printer over there, YouTube.

unknown 2:19:39

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:40

Printer went down. Give me two weeks.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:42

That printer busted, dog. Give me two weeks. It'll be back. Ain't nothing. But you know, this is me. I'm I'm going through being single right now, you know, and sometimes I hit those times where I'm like, why gotta be so hard, man? I just can't. You also live in a in a small city, though. It's not about the small, because I'm not outside enough. And that's a part of my reason too, of being single. I'm I'm I'm just not a frequent outsider. So if where I meet you is where I'm gonna meet you at, and that's where I gotta try to find whatever I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:12

Go to the library, go to the mall.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:14

At the same time. Dog party. Damn, Curtis, you just stay talking. What was I talking about?

SPEAKER_03 2:20:18

You said where you're gonna meet the woman, man. You you don't got that wasted, man. We only had Tito's this nasty box.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:24

You know, I'm the one in the group that smoked the weed. Although although I did read that it doesn't destroy your blood your brain cells. Blood cells are brain cells. But at the same time, I did smoke before I got here.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:41

I know. And I did drink. Yo, where's the um, where's the um, I remember you had that that that drink. It was a pretty good drink. Oh, you're talking about that heirloom joint. You've you stopped, fell back from that?

SPEAKER_02 2:20:52

No, I ain't fall back. They just $20 for four cans, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So I mean, that's I mean, that's not a bad price. 20 for four? It's it's not a bad price if you can consistently give that 20 for four cans, you know what I'm saying? Like, they're 10 milligrams each, it'll probably take me two to make get me to feel anything. Oh, wow, that's crazy. So, you know, then I would have to buy so much more. So I'd rather just roll my green and smoking frog come out. People don't like me smoking while they're there, or you don't want me at your function. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because we don't went from talking about women to talking about.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:31

No, but this is good because all of these clips are gonna be like, these are gonna be like clips that we just pop on social media. And like once we end wherever you feel the podcast should have ended, we just end it and then we just use this for stored data when we want to just do a soundbite. All that extra episode.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:47

So this might go out as it is, man, but you're gonna listen to it in segments. But there's a lot of stuff going on in this podcast. We just got back. It's like me and Curtis haven't been in the same room, and this is kind of how our conversations go. And this is kind of what we wanted to bring to you to show you these conversations because we are talking about decent things. You know what I'm saying? We're not talking about nonsense, but you know. And it's two different perspectives, two different perspectives. My perspective is way different from Kurt's, but like we're on two opposite sides of the spectrum. People call us day and night, and it's it's literally in everything. I don't know what tat you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:23

The um elements, the wolf elements. I know, yeah, no, so we gotta get something else. Which one is that? That's the earth wolf. The opposite of earth would be what, air? Because fire and water, earth and air. I guess. So I gotta get an air element. That's craziness. No, we can do something else, man. Alright. Well, listen. Yeah, I appreciate you guys tuning in. Alright, so you know, we we've been talking for for quite some time and getting on different subjects, um, which we will um really tap into.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:00

Yeah, we're gonna break each one of those down and just focus on, focus the segment on, you know, each one of the things we're talking about. Because a lot of them are good topics. Yeah. A lot of them are things that uh give people blood going and they want to hear.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:10

Oh, yeah. But I will give you an update. We have a couple things going on for option zero. Um we will be in the boxing hall of fame parade for the fourth time in a row. Um, as hopefully not the only boxing gym, but you know, one of the boxing gyms in the parade. Um after that, my guys will have a banquet out uh barbecue out there so we don't have to come straight back to Syracuse and enjoy the moment out there. So I'm letting you know that because um I hinted for you to be on a grill with me. Yeah. If not me.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:46

If I'm not on a grill with you, we're gonna have some charred chicken.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:49

I got you. Wait, charred trick. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. I will show listen, I I just you should have been at the time. I'm the best griller in the family, man. I don't know, bro. You gotta, you gotta come, you gotta come to my next barbecue. Next time I'm on a grill, I'm gonna let you know.

SPEAKER_01 2:24:03

All right.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:03

And the next time you're on a grill, I'm gonna go with you. I'm gonna let you know. But um outside of that, um, I am actually really, really excited. We talked about a local guy, Cash Anderson, who fought, you know, on Wilder's card. But we have another local guy, Bryce Mills, who's gonna be fighting Emiliano Vargas in New York City. I think it's June or July. Actually, it's June, the day before my birthday, which is June 28th. So he's fighting on 20th 27th. I will definitely be there. Um, I'm actually gonna try to get tickets by the end of this week so that it can already be solidified. Um, I think it's gonna be a really good show. A really, really good show. I am I am ready, I'm ecstatic to see um this boxing match. I'm actually gonna see if Dom wants to go with me, which I think she probably would for you know my birthday. But one of our locals is fighting on a big stage, you know. Our local boxers, someone from Syracuse, born and raised, is and you know, um how to do that.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:08

I had to watch it growing up too. He was young when I first saw him.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:11

Well, you you know him more in depth than I do because MMA world, you know. So I I I know you'll be tuned in. I know you'll be tuned in. That's a fact, Jack. And um, I will be there live giving you results if you're not tuned in. So um outside of that, Option Zero is working on hopefully getting another bout at the mall in our facility this summer. I know you'll be in attendance for that, hopefully, you MC. And then we are working on another event, hopefully late September, early October on the Moines campus. Um, we're gonna probably tie in SU boxing and Le Moine box, SU boxing, Le Moine boxing, option zero, and local facilities versus whoever, you know, is you know, showing up. I I would like to get New York versus everyone else, but we have to, you know, work that work to that criteria. Start slow first. Yeah, but we did get five guys from Philly.

SPEAKER_02 2:26:12

That's dope, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:12

And those five put on a show.

SPEAKER_02 2:26:14

Couple cats from Philly out there, they'll do it. Put on a show. There's one kid out there, but uh he had the composure of an adult.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:20

I remember that. Yeah, so I I'm I'm excited, man.

SPEAKER_02 2:26:23

Well, it's been two hours and thirty. Before that, before that, let anything anything coming up for you? Uh nothing going on too crazy in my life. Um, I'm just uh focusing on building for the season next year. Um we have summer wrestling coming up. A lot of our other girls are in their spring sports. Oh, so we haven't been in the off-season wrestling scene as we'd like to be. But, you know, in a couple, well, in just a month and a half or so, we'll be coming up on um, they'll have the Beacons Alice program. So that'll give us some time to get the kids into the school, get them uh wrestling, and get a little coin in their pocket at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:06

Yep, you did tell me about them getting paid.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:08

Yes, yes. So um that's what I'm looking forward to. That's what I'm kind of you know constantly thinking about and building on right now, just putting together things that are going to benefit the girls and that are gonna help them be successful in the winter time.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:25

All right, well, you heard it first from both of us. Um make sure to tap in. Stay tuned, uh, hit us up on social media, on pull the no punches podcast, or reach out to James or I and our Instagram. I am the problem child on Instagram and he is the heavyweight champ.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:49

So 29, 89? I'm not sure. We'll have to put it on the the the punch.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:55

We'll put it in our yeah, we'll put it in our description. But enjoy your weekend, enjoy your day wherever you're at, um, in whatever state of mind you're in. Um hopefully this this helps. Peace.