Veto The Podcast Episode 9 - Beyond The Law

The guys take a trip to City City and they might never make it back alive. 

Pull up a barstool, pour yourself a double well vodka in a red Solo cup, light up an enormous cigar, and prepare to be dazzled by a tale of intrigue, suspense, murder, crime, intrigue, suspense and, uh, murder. 

City CIty: where the cops are dirty, the criminals are dumb, and justice is a dish that no one really knows how to prepare and we actually lost that recipe. Whoops.

It's Veto The Podcast and, this time, it's personal.

Transcript

George Milton 0:49

Hello everybody and welcome to Veto the podcast. The podcast where we know that you know that we know that you've been fucking us. Uh, I am joined today by the two dirtiest cops you've ever met in your life. Uh, playing DMX tonight is Justin Schaeffers. What's up Justin?

justin 1:12

Up in here, up in here. Gonna make you lose your mind up in here.

George Milton 1:18

Right on cue. Uh, the other dirty cop that I'm joined with, uh, joined by tonight is, uh, is Brent Bobbit. Yo Brent.

Brent 1:27

How's it going? And uh, for those of you that are jumping into this with no context, it will surely all make soon. Makes sense. Soon

George Milton 1:34

It'll all make soon. Guys, I'm, I'm so excited for this. Might be the most excited I've been to do this podcast so far. No offense. No offense to all the other podcasts that we've recorded so far, but for those of you who are just jumping in, this is gonna make no sense. But the last. Episode, uh, we threw down the gauntlet for a new segment, um, that I'm gonna call, uh, veto this movie question mark. And we're gonna review, uh, the movie Steven Segal 2019 movie Beyond the Law, starring Beyond the Law. We watched this 90 minute masterpiece, and we're gonna tell you guys there.

Brent 2:19

it was?

George Milton 2:20

Yeah, yeah, it was 90 minutes for sure.

Brent 2:24

Yeah.

George Milton 2:25

This movie, uh, was released direct to video in 2019. It, uh, was filmed on a budget of$7 million top billing, um, top billing Steven Segal and uh, and DMX. And then, uh.

justin 2:42

at? Where my dog's at?

George Milton 2:44

Yes. DDMX is in the, and then we got Johnny Messner playing, arguably the main character, right? Johnny Messner as Frank Wilson, a detective.

Brent 2:53

him from something else?

justin 2:54

Yeah, he's in a lot of action movies.

George Milton 2:56

in a bunch of stuff.

justin 2:57

he's like a bad Jason. Statham,

Brent 3:01

I thought he was a bad Gerard Butler, so that's interesting.

justin 3:04

Same idea.

George Milton 3:07

I thought he was, uh, yeah, I thought he was the second best actor in this movie, though.

Brent 3:12

That is fair. That is fair. I'm curious, so who is, who was the best actor to you?

George Milton 3:17

Bill Cobb, bill Cobbs as Swilley was by far the best actor in this movie like Bill Cobbs. Bill Cobbs is acting his, his acting, his absolute dick off in this movie, you know, and it, and this movie barely deserves it.

Brent 3:31

no, and ever, ever since he changed or or trimmed that last bee off the end of his name, uh, it's, his career has gone a lot better. Bill Cosby is wasn't working for

George Milton 3:42

Shit. Wha wow. So we are, guys, we, we are going to spoil this movie. So if you haven't seen the movie, lots of spoilers. We're gonna spoil it all the way to the end and we're gonna do it and we're gonna spoil the movie. Like immediately we're gonna spoil it. So, uh, turn it off. Now turn this off. Now if you're like, really gotta watch this fresh, let me tell you, let me warn you. You do not have to watch this fresh. Absolutely do not. Um,

Brent 4:07

you really just, you, you don't have to watch it. You'll

George Milton 4:09

well hold on, hold, reserve that till the end because I'm gonna, we're gonna update our rules a little bit. I'm only handing you guys one golden veto card this week

Brent 4:19

the whole thing.

George Milton 4:20

for the whole thing. So at the end of, at the.

Brent 4:23

know what I want to use mine on?

George Milton 4:24

At the end of the, at the end of the, at the end of the show, we're gonna veto this movie or not, right? So we got three people, two vetoes, and this movie ceases to exist. It's a race from existence. Uh, but if we only get, the stakes are pretty high here, guys.

justin 4:40

life or death.

George Milton 4:41

They're very high. Okay, so let me, let me just give a quick movie summary here. So. This is hard to decipher, but you, it's a, it's a story of, uh, uh, here's the byline here. Steven Egal, DMX, and Johnny Messner star in this action packed thriller about one man's quest for justice. When a former detective learns of the murder of his son, he must take on the ruthless local mob in his mission for revenge. So that's basically what happens. We find out. That, uh, Johnny Messner plays Detective Frank Wilson, his son gets killed in the city, which we'll discuss the city and what the fuck city do we even think this is?

Brent 5:24

Thank you.

justin 5:24

part.

Brent 5:25

that was one of the notes I wrote down

George Milton 5:26

Oh God, man. Okay, so, so, so, okay, let's hold, hold that. But so, so Detective Frank Wilson, his son gets killed for a stupid, stupid reason that we'll talk about. And then he's, he's an ex-cop, uh, an ex-cop who is, we've learned during the movie that he was a dirty cop when he was a cop, moved outta the city. I guess his wife died of cancer. Now he's gotta take vengeance on his son. Yeah, it's all kind of ambiguous as far as what's happening. Uh, he goes, he comes to the city or who the characters are, or why should we care about them? So Detective Wilson comes to the city and he's gotta take revenge on his son. Now I'm gonna tell you before we even get into the movie, that he could have taken revenge on his son at minute 25. At minute 41. At minute 63, like there are so many opportunities that he could have taken. Revenge of Senate. Okay, so the movie opens. First of all, I didn't know what was going on for like 16 minutes. Is that

Brent 6:34

was a little longer than that for me. No, I actually wrote down, I said my first notes on here. I said, well, first thing I just wrote down acting. I mean,

George Milton 6:42

acting?

justin 6:43

It's like watching a porn without the porn. Like that's

Brent 6:46

Yeah.

justin 6:46

was in. This is like that. If you need a context of what this movie was straight from the get go, it is porn. Without the porn, it

George Milton 6:55

Yeah, it's perfect.

Brent 6:58

my next three notes that I wrote down was, does this take place? What's going on? Who is anybody?

George Milton 7:05

Who is anybody? Yeah,

justin 7:08

the thing, here's the little Easter egg is the bully from a Christmas story grew up to be a bully and beyond the law.

George Milton 7:15

absolutely.

justin 7:17

there you go.

George Milton 7:18

We also got

Brent 7:19

him?

justin 7:20

That's him. That's Schwartz.

George Milton 7:22

Della Hunt. Della Hunt is in the Karate Kid three, so the guy, Sean Canon, who who plays Della Hunt. Anyway, we open on the opening scene is these guys in ski masks, getting out of a minivan to steal a pi, a pile of money, what I've only described as a pile of money. Um, the set design is pretty bad. It all kinda looks like it was shot. Like Justin, you probably shot movies like this when you first moved to LA where you're just like,

justin 7:50

mean, it is so funny. Like my favorite thing is like they go into these situations and this is like the best cliche of like. Gangster action movies is like the bad guys come in and the other guy's holding a gun and they're like, put down your gun.

George Milton 8:06

it's like.

justin 8:06

and they always put down their gun and they're like, you don't know whose money you're stealing. You don't know whose this is. And then they shoot him. So like, why did he put down his gun like he's getting killed either way. Like at least go out in a like.

Brent 8:19

what I would do.

justin 8:20

Yeah, like, you know, they're gonna shoot you either way. So don't just say, okay, I'm gonna put down my gun. I've never seen this work out for anyone in any movie

George Milton 8:28

Yeah. Don't these guys watch? Don't these guys watch movies?

Brent 8:31

also w worth mentioning that it's very noticeable this early on at this point in the movie. Uh, that over this, this budget that they had for it, they definitely saved some money on grip work. They did not spend a lot on, on grips.

George Milton 8:48

They didn't spend a lot on anything. I think they spent their money on

justin 8:51

Seven Mon, yeah, 7

George Milton 8:53

it went to,

Brent 8:53

Steven

George Milton 8:54

probably Steven Segal and DMX.

justin 8:56

It went to, uh, CIGA's like cigars that literally every scene with him started

Brent 9:03

a new cigar.

George Milton 9:04

had.

justin 9:04

cigar. Like,

George Milton 9:06

a lot.

justin 9:06

like every scene felt like that everybody was lighting a cigarette or a cigar. And that's how, what was the intro to every single scene. It was like,

Brent 9:15

It sure was.

justin 9:15

lighting this one up, this one's lighting this up. And for the first like. Three quarters of the movie Steven Segal literally

George Milton 9:24

Hold on, hold on. We're jumping ahead.

justin 9:25

Okay.

George Milton 9:26

We're jumping ahead a little bit. So, so the guys, these guys in the minivan, they take this pile of money and we're introduced to Chance, who's the kid that gets killed that we're all supposed to care about? Right? So this guy, this kid is like driving. He's the driver, he's driving the minivan, right? Um, and these two guys, these two guys in ski masks kill some other guys who put down their guns like idiots. They take this pile of money and then. Then the kid who's, who's their getaway driver, who's just this geeky little kid, he's the geekiest. Like they were just like, play a general geeky kid. He drops the bad guys off at their place and then the bad guys, this is where it starts to become like, I just indecipherable why they did this. The bad guys are like, you hold onto the money kid. Right.

Brent 10:17

they, they give absolutely no qualifying reason why. That's a good

George Milton 10:21

Why does he, why does he hold onto the money? Why does the kid,

justin 10:24

They weren't like

George Milton 10:25

they weren't being chased,

justin 10:26

Yeah,

Brent 10:27

No, he just, he just drops the guy off and the guy just opts to leave the money

George Milton 10:32

the kid with this dorky and, and we find out later in the movie that he's like a degenerate gambler, right? So they're like, we're gonna give this kid all this money.

Brent 10:43

Yeah.

George Milton 10:44

That's scene one. We don't know who any of these people are yet.

Brent 10:47

No. and and I also feel like it's worth mentioning, I'm glad you are saying not just the character name, but kind of giving that quick little tag of what the role was. Because as someone who just finished watching this movie today, I got to the end of this thing was like, couldn't tell you one character's name, not a single character

George Milton 11:06

It took a while. It took a while before you started getting character names, and as soon as the, as soon as I got them, I was like, I was like, wait, pause, rewind. Did they give us a, did they give us any piece of information? I have to write this down. Like, I, I will tell you that if I was not gonna be reviewing this pod, this for the podcast, I wouldn't have taken notes and I would not know. I would not have known of the fact that I had to take notes. Really got me there with this one.

Brent 11:34

It,

justin 11:34

It got you invested. It's like

George Milton 11:36

It got me invested.

justin 11:37

now. I'm

George Milton 11:38

So now we c Now we cut away from the minivan, like I think directly tote

Brent 11:43

though. We cut straight to,

George Milton 11:44

straight to Steven Cigar smoking a cigar, like huge cigar.

justin 11:50

just shoot every single time, just light in a new cigar. I'm like, those are expensive buddy.

George Milton 11:55

Yeah. Well.

justin 11:56

smoking?

George Milton 11:57

I mean, it doesn't matter because he's a big, he's a big, he's the boss. He's the, he's the capital letters. Big mob boss.

Brent 12:04

that's, that's his character name, his boss.

George Milton 12:07

No, his character name. Hold on. I wrote it down.

justin 12:10

Isn't it

George Milton 12:10

Uh,

justin 12:11

Frank?

George Milton 12:12

no, no. It's, uh, God, it took me, it's,

Brent 12:16

him as boss nine times outta 10 though, so

George Milton 12:18

they refer to him as, as,

justin 12:20

Frank

George Milton 12:21

no, Frank Wilson is the detective. So Steven Egal,

justin 12:24

No.

George Milton 12:24

I wrote down.

justin 12:24

the detective. MZ is the detective.

George Milton 12:28

uh, so Detective Mutz is DMX. He's the dirty

justin 12:31

Is uh, is Mesner.

George Milton 12:34

Johnny Messner is Frank. Will is Detective Frank Wilson. I'm looking at the IMDB right now. I, I promise you. Yeah.

justin 12:40

is lying to me. So this is not AI is,

Brent 12:42

lies like a son of a bitch.

George Milton 12:44

Oh, God, don't, don't. Chad. GBT. So, so there's Detective Frank, uh, detective, uh, Frank Wilson is the main dude that's, but we we're in scene two, we realized that Steven Segal is a big mob boss.'cause he's smoking a cigar and everybody's calling him.

justin 13:00

at a table.

George Milton 13:01

Yeah. And he's like walking through this house and there's all these kids partying. And this is, hi, this is. Ostensibly his house. Question mark.

justin 13:11

Yeah. Why? I didn't understand.

Brent 13:12

Well be

justin 13:13

there, it is a kids' party, like why

Brent 13:15

because that's how they do it over in City, city, where he runs the,

George Milton 13:21

Yes, it was. I wrote that down too. City? City? It's the city. It's just capital T, capital C, the city. Oh my God. So he's in this mansion and there's all these like high school kids partying. He's, he's got the big desk. It's like his mansion, question mark. And then he asks one of his goons, like, he asked the question that we're all thinking, which is like, what are all these kids doing here? Like, Steven Stegal asked. I was like, that's, I was like.

justin 13:51

creative choice? I want to go into this like meeting production meeting. They're like, Hey, we're gonna have this like mob movies, like people are dying and stuff. But we're gonna start it with like kids at a party.

George Milton 14:02

Here's what I could think of is they were like, we need this fan. We got this fancy house. We've only got it for one day, but it also happens to be this kid's birthday party. So like we're gonna get a discount, but you guys have to film around the kids.

justin 14:16

But it's like the thing that drove me crazy with Segal is like, he just was, it felt like he was doing the worst Brando impression I've

George Milton 14:25

Oh, oh, he was, he was like, he was, he was, he was trying to be Don Corleone or he, or he was trying to be,

Brent 14:33

he, he was Don Corleone. If Don Corleone was like maybe a quarter black, you know, like Yeah. Yeah. Like, I mean,

George Milton 14:42

I don't know. No, he had a different accent.

Brent 14:45

Yeah, but he, he kept using the phrase, what I'm fitting to do.

George Milton 14:48

What I'm fitting to do.

justin 14:50

What I'm fitting.

George Milton 14:51

Oh my God. Well, but, but I have seen Steven Segal in enough, like, like out of the movies, like interviews or like candid stuff,

Brent 14:58

that.

George Milton 14:59

he talks like, like Steven Segal thinks he's a black guy. He made a Rasta album. He has an indecipherable accent.

justin 15:05

like a Russian oligarch now too,

Brent 15:07

Oh yeah.

George Milton 15:09

Well, he's always very, in interviews, he in interviews, he's always very like weird about people. Ask him about like his heritage. He's apparently fully black, fully Asian, and fully Russian, like a hundred percent

Brent 15:23

Yeah.

George Milton 15:23

all of those.

justin 15:25

That

George Milton 15:25

So he is got.

justin 15:26

really fierce right now too. That spray hair that he's putting in there,

George Milton 15:29

Oh my God. He's firing on all cylinders. I mean, I wrote down that he's a very jy mob. Lord, I couldn't tell, honestly. I wasn't sure till the end of the movie that he was a mob, Lord. Do you know what I mean? Like

Brent 15:42

yeah, yeah, for sure.

George Milton 15:43

it was like, I.

Brent 15:44

say as poor as any of the expositional material was to give us a clue as to what the fuck was going on. Um, I really didn't think that, uh, Steven's. Segal as far as like his delivery was that bad. I mean, I would've loved to have clowned on him a little bit more, but, uh, I found his acting to ob objectively be adequate for the role at least.

justin 16:07

have one line in

Brent 16:08

Yeah.

justin 16:09

you're in,

Brent 16:09

And well, and it, and it didn't require a lot, all that you just needed to be stoic. There wasn't really much you needed to do with it. You know, just be stoic is the only.

justin 16:18

it came up, it'd be like somebody come and say something to me would be like. Yeah, and then it's next scene.

George Milton 16:25

Yeah, but he was, I, I mean, I don't think his acting's bad, but he's also surrounded by a bunch of terrible acting, so.

Brent 16:32

It is true.

George Milton 16:34

But, but like he, but like, he has the worst, the, the accent is just like

Brent 16:39

I

George Milton 16:39

the first I-I-I-K-I kept trying to do it. I was like, I'm, I'm gonna try to do this accent on the podcast. I kept trying to do it and I couldn't do it because it's just like, I don't, I mean, the best thing that I could say is like, yeah, it, like, it's Don Corleone. If he was a black man from the deep South in the, in the 1940s or something like. He's just like, he's just like, oh, he's just like, Hey, I need to talk to my supplier now. I can't, I can't do it. The, and then he brings the, so that, that scene he brings in the, the quote that I wrote down was like, the first scene he's in, he brings in this guy who's like, oh, this is our supplier of what They don't say, they never say I guess drugs, but like, they literally don't say

justin 17:22

The BES

George Milton 17:22

and they never.

justin 17:23

So she comes in and she's like, you should work with our family. We are good. We will do good job.

George Milton 17:30

Yeah,

justin 17:31

yes.

Brent 17:32

actually, I, I, I got a little peek at the lore on this. They actually, uh, deal in raw milk, uh, very illegal.

George Milton 17:39

no,

Brent 17:40

that's,

George Milton 17:41

that would be great if that was the truth.

justin 17:43

'cause I get my raw milk

George Milton 17:44

But he's like firing. He's firing his supplier and like he, Steven Segal sits the guy down in his office and he is like. I know that you know that I know that you've been doing something and the guy's like, oh, what are you gonna do? And he's like, I know that you know that. I know that you've been fucking me. That's not, if you haven't seen the movie, that's nowhere close to the accident. It's just the best that I can do.

justin 18:10

He is like, are you gonna kill me? Yes.

George Milton 18:14

Yeah.

justin 18:14

kill him. They just

George Milton 18:15

And then, and then they just walk him out of the room and that's. So I guess that's the, the thing. And so, so we're, I guess we're establishing that he's a mob lord. But like I said, I am a moderately smart guy. I couldn't really tell you for sure that he was a mob Lord until the end of the movie, like the very last scene, I was like, oh, he's the main bad guy. So spoiler alert, Steve Segal's the main bad guy. But you don't know that until the last like five minutes of the movie.

Brent 18:42

think I picked up on that in the first,

justin 18:44

I think the sun is really the bad guy,

George Milton 18:46

I thought the son was the be, I thought his son was the, was the bad guy. But like, then you get to the end and you're like, oh, well he's gotta kill the main boss. That's Steven Segal. Um, so wait, the, so, oh man, we're never gonna cover all of this. So they, so then the next scene guys break into the guys come back. The guys who robbed this pile of money go back to the kids.

Brent 19:07

kid.

George Milton 19:07

They left it with the kid. We see the kid like leaving a casino, I guess, and the casino guy, the guy who's kicking him out is like, come back when you have money. So the kid clearly has no money, goes back to his apartment. These guys show up at his apartment and they're like, where's the money? He's like, oh, I hi it over here, and it's gone. Right? Money's gone.

Brent 19:29

yes, but it's also worth noting, like while I'm watching this with the way they edited this. I spent most of the scene believing it was later the same day that they'd left the money with him, that they were

George Milton 19:40

Yeah,

Brent 19:40

back around. So I was really confused

George Milton 19:43

the editing was weird.

Brent 19:44

wa wasn't there, you know?

George Milton 19:46

Yeah.

Brent 19:47

it? He just had it minutes ago. Why would you ditch it before he?

justin 19:50

Why was there just a phone up there? Like what

George Milton 19:52

Oh yeah. There was a phone.

Brent 19:53

there a phone in the ceiling?

George Milton 19:55

Well, yeah, they're unexplained, right? But, but the, so, so he is like, oh, I hid the money up in the ceiling. And they look up there and all they find is his cell phone, like the kid's cell phone. So then they kill him. They ki they kill the kid.

Brent 20:09

But

George Milton 20:09

They leave.

Brent 20:10

ass. before kicking his ass.

George Milton 20:12

Yeah. They kick his ass, right? They kick his ass pretty good. And they're like, where's the money? Where's the money? He is like, oh, I don't know. And so then, then they kill the kid, right? Leave his phone there.

Brent 20:22

Yeah. They, they definitely like, while they seem to be very concerned about this money, are doing everything they can to make sure that they could erase any chance at possibly figuring out what happened to the money.'cause they wouldn't have had any way of knowing that he blew it on gambling. He didn't reveal anything to

George Milton 20:39

He didn't say anything

Brent 20:41

He, yeah, he's just saying, oh, I don't know, and things like that. And so they kill him. You'd think you'd

George Milton 20:46

that killed him.

Brent 20:46

keep him alive and figure out where your money is, but nope, that's not what they decided to do.

George Milton 20:53

So they kill, they kill this kid. They've got no clues as far as where their money is. Um, and that's it. That's the scene.

Brent 21:01

it at that point, you know, they,

George Milton 21:02

Yeah. They give up

Brent 21:03

still gone, but the kid's dead. So

George Milton 21:05

kid's dead. So they move on and then, and then we cut to Steven Segal at the shooting range. And I just wrote down, who are these people? No one has said anyone's name. Like they've just flat out refused to say anybody's. Like, I get this whole thing of like, Hey, let's give the audience credit and not force feed them exposition, but like, they haven't said a name yet in this movie. It's gotta be 10, 15 minutes into the movie.

Brent 21:35

Yeah.

George Milton 21:36

So this is when his new supplier come, like they ra arranging the meeting with like the new supplier, I guess. Who knows.

Brent 21:44

Yeah. I don't.

George Milton 21:46

Uh, they finally say the kid's name. The kid's name was Chance. Um, and then DMX shows up. Thank you. Thank you. Finally,

justin 21:55

Yeah, I mean, listen, we need more of the dog

George Milton 22:00

DMX was, was the clear like, uh, I have never watched DMX in a movie. I'll say that

justin 22:07

really.

George Milton 22:07

he was.

justin 22:08

in a couple good ones.

George Milton 22:09

I know, I know. I like, I looked up his, IM db, I was like, why haven't I seen him in a movie? Anyway, DMX was the, definitely the clear had the clearest diction in this whole film, which is not what I was expecting. Just based on his, uh, just based on his body of work

Brent 22:27

I

George Milton 22:27

and

Brent 22:27

I've, I've found his acting to be just overall less offensive than most people's

George Milton 22:32

yeah, it was, it was, it was not.

justin 22:35

good. Let's

Brent 22:36

No,

justin 22:37

good. It

Brent 22:38

we're talking about by comparison here. You know, it's like if you go to a karaoke bar, you don't have to be like a great singer to be the best singer

George Milton 22:45

To be the best guy at the karaoke bar. Yeah. Uh, DDMX might be the best guy at the karaoke bar. I think that, I think that Johnny Messner and Bill Cobbs were actually acting to, to one degree or another, but now DMX shows up and DMX is a, is a cop. DMX is detective months. They say that he gets called off some job and uh, I wrote down he's, uh, he's on the case and x go and give it to you. So I thought that he was, at this point, I think DMX is like on the case, like investigating the kid. Right.

justin 23:27

Yeah,

George Milton 23:27

That's what I thought.

justin 23:28

where we're at on this road. Like,

Brent 23:30

Is, is that where you landed on that because, no, I had that question, like I didn't know what his reason was for being.

justin 23:37

he recognizes that it's his ex. I think, uh, mu uh, Frank Wilson's, you know, Meisner's character was like his ex-partner or part of the

George Milton 23:47

No, no, no. He wasn't though, he wasn't like that would've made way more sense.'cause I was like,

justin 23:52

Because he

George Milton 23:53

but

justin 23:53

who the kid was

George Milton 23:54

he did, he, he did know who the kid was, but like when they. First meet each other. He like introduces himself, right? He's like, Hey, I'm, you know, detective months, and, and your kid was killed. So when, when, when DMX, I just wrote DMX, I didn't, I never wrote detective months. I just wrote DMX. So.

Brent 24:14

Let's go with that.

George Milton 24:14

Yeah. When DMX, when DMX like comes out to the country, quote unquote the country, he leaves the city and comes out to the country where, where retired detective, uh, Frank Wilson lives to tell him that, to tell Frank Wilson that his kid's been shot, DMX, like introduces himself, he's like, Hey, I'm detective. You know, months or whatever. It would've made so much sense if these guys used to be partners, like that would've been a better movie.

Brent 24:44

Oh yeah. There's a lot of things made this a better.

justin 24:50

I mean, just lighting a fire would've made been a better movie.

George Milton 24:54

Yeah, so, so this is when, this is when it kind of, they kind of start to give you the, the pieces you need to start the movie. Like, I wish I'd had these pieces 20 or 30 minutes early, but they're like.

Brent 25:06

I hope we didn't already gloss over though, because I did wanna mention,'cause I think it's right here around this point in time when they're, you know, going to the, uh, the grave site, uh, to see'em there. Did you guys clock those? Uh, tombstones

George Milton 25:22

Photoshopped tomb shows. Oh my God. Those were like, what? I don't, I don't know. I didn't even know what to write about that. They were definitely photoshopped. The tombstones were photos.

justin 25:32

I just

Brent 25:32

I've,

justin 25:33

of questions of where$7 million went for this

Brent 25:35

yes. No.'cause

justin 25:37

many questions.

Brent 25:38

could have

George Milton 25:38

I,

Brent 25:38

any kid with a computer in high school that had Photoshop on his computer and be like, Hey, we need just these tombstones to read something different.

George Milton 25:47

yeah.

Brent 25:48

it was, it

George Milton 25:48

think, I think that my, my take on that was like. Because they've got two tombstones and I, my take on that was that they realized, they realized much later in the, in the movie that they hadn't established that this guy's wife was dead. And they were like, oh, we need, we need to Photoshop in that the, there's also the tombstone of his wife. I don't know, but yeah, terribly photoshopped. Ju Justin, you could make the, you could probably get a crew together and make this movie, I don't know, 40 times with$7 million

Brent 26:22

another note.

justin 26:23

could do this in, it's just funny'cause I, what's funny is I know how much things cost and how hard it is to get it. So it's like I feel bad, like totally shitting on them, but also at the same time it's like, what the fuck were you all thinking?

George Milton 26:38

yeah.

Brent 26:39

did you guys watch this in with, with like. sound active or did you headphone this?

George Milton 26:45

I had, I had my headphones on.

Brent 26:47

That's a shame because during this scene, while they're chatting at the tombstones,

George Milton 26:52

Yeah.

Brent 26:53

you like, I, if you don't take any other advice about this, like you should probably never go back and watch any parts of it, but like do yourself the favor of just listening to the way they panned this audio. During this tombstone scene, like it was like all over the place and they would be talking with each other and then like the guy on the right, it would be like far front right pan with no audio coming from anywhere else, and the guy on the left of the screen would talk and it'd be like. Far left rear speaker talking, and

George Milton 27:23

Weird.

Brent 27:24

of'em would kind of go into a longer dialogue and you could hear like the camera wouldn't be moving, but the sound would like the spatially be moving around you. And it was like me and Heidi were looking at each other going, what the fuck is going on with the

George Milton 27:38

It did that, they did that in the dream, in the like flashback scene when Chance leaves soon. They, they, I, I could tell that because it was like, even though I was just listening at stereo, it was like going weirdly, it was like just oscillating back and forth. I was like,

Brent 27:52

Yeah,

George Milton 27:53

their way? Is this their way of doing a dreamy flashback? Like it's super weird.

Brent 27:58

It did

George Milton 27:58

It doesn't, did not work at all. So, so we've got, I don't know, we can probably skip over some of this stuff. We see the, the kids' funeral. They, they tell, they tell Dete detective, uh, Frank Wilson, who's, uh, who's the main character, arguably that his kid's dead, uh, DMX and, and Detective Wilson meet each other for the first time. Uh, DMX is on the case. Uh.

justin 28:25

of sets up, this sets up the rest of the story. So why don't we take a quick break. is like the part that sends the whole

George Milton 28:31

Yeah. So now we know what, now we know what we're gonna do. Yeah, that's a great idea. Let's,

justin 28:34

So why

George Milton 28:35

let's take a,

justin 28:35

to

George Milton 28:36

let's take a quick break. Yeah. Cool. Deal. Be right back.

justin 32:30

Yeah.

George Milton 32:31

are back. We have so much to cover. I, I, we have to talk about at the, at the funeral, uh, there's nobody there, but Frank and I, Frank Wilson and I wrote down his butler, who we find out later is Willy, who, I don't know who this guy is, but. It's, uh, bill Cobb is there, and then there's some lady leaning against a tree, smoking a cigarette, and then Frank goes over to question her. And Justin, I have to ask you a cinematography question. He is like three inches from her face in that scene, but it's like a medium shot

justin 33:09

There's a lot of cinematography questions I have about this. Like every time cut to like Steven spiel. Uh, Steven

George Milton 33:17

Steven spiel.

justin 33:19

Yeah.

Brent 33:20

he was not included in this project.

justin 33:21

not. Yeah, he should have been. It would've been better. He was, he should have been an advisor He always looked like kind of out of focus and like digitally sharp, which is like weird. It was just, I was like, what? I kept going, what camera are they shooting on or what lenses are they using?'cause this looks terrible.

George Milton 33:41

So Steven, Steven Segal, actually, weirdly, a fact about him is that he's always in soft focus.

Brent 33:48

Even when you see him with your bare eyes, that's just

George Milton 33:50

Yeah.

Brent 33:50

the way he looks.

justin 33:51

Yeah, I was just so confused about a lot of these things that they were trying to do, and I was just like, can you just make it look like. Decent. Like, you don't, you don't have to go crazy. You're spending a lot of money like give, you know, figure something out. It was just a weird cho like every single time he came on screen it was like this weird look on the image over him. And I was just like, what is happening here? Uh, did you take too much like Vaseline and rub it all over the lens? So it looks really strange.

George Milton 34:23

We're doing a soft lens to cover those gels.

justin 34:26

the, or the Russian government would not let you use his full likeness. Um, you know, I just don't know what was happening in most of this movie with the way they shot it.

George Milton 34:37

Guys, we gotta, we gotta hit a couple of things. So they're, so they're there. He asked this girl, the girl, uh, what's her name? Charlotte or something? She's a hooker. Question mark, A drug dealer question mark. She's involved somehow.

justin 34:51

She

Brent 34:51

Yeah,

justin 34:52

like

Brent 34:52

I,

justin 34:53

girl at the bar. Like

Brent 34:54

that's what, yeah, I got the impression, yeah, like if the

George Milton 34:57

Okay.

Brent 34:58

drinks brings drinks.

George Milton 34:59

She works with Chance, who's the dead son and kind of maybe his girlfriend,

justin 35:04

Yeah.

George Milton 35:05

think.

justin 35:05

like lovers.

George Milton 35:06

Yeah, so then Frank starts questioning her. Uh, she gives him some piece of information. He leaves, he goes, he cocks his gun right before he even leaves his house. He cocks his gun, which is like, not really how guns work, but he cocks his gun. So you know, he's on the case.

justin 35:23

Yeah, you gotta, you gotta cock that gun always.

George Milton 35:27

Then, and then we cut to the city. We, we have to just talk about the city for a second.'cause they mentioned the city so many times. They never say what city it is. They just say the city,

Brent 35:38

City.

George Milton 35:38

city, city. And like they keep talking about how Frank was like, I had to get away from the city and he didn't want his son to go to the city. So Frank goes back to the city first scene, he's in an alley and he kicks some biker guy's ass.

Brent 35:54

We don't know why, but

George Milton 35:55

We don't know why

Brent 35:56

he really gives him a comeuppance.

George Milton 35:58

he doesn't get any information.

justin 36:00

yeah, it was like, were they in jail together? Were they

George Milton 36:03

I don't know.

Brent 36:04

yeah, the only

George Milton 36:05

I don't know.

Brent 36:05

that one guy's like, I just got outta jail, and then they get their ass kicked.

George Milton 36:10

We just know that Frank Wilson's on the case somehow we, we just know like now we've been incited to this incident, so like we know that whatever he's doing, he's like on the case, he's going to get revenge and. So that, like that's somehow part of it. And then Frank goes to this shitty like hotel where his kid was staying. He goes up to the front, he goes, he goes to the front desk, he slides the guy at the front desk like a wad of cash, and he's like, Hey, I'm looking for a room. We could try to do Frank's voice. He's like, Hey, I'm looking for just like pure gravel.

justin 36:45

Sorry. It's like I drank too much and I've been doing this voice for too long.

George Milton 36:49

Join this voice.

justin 36:51

actor.

George Milton 36:52

I'm looking for a room. He says, he says, I'm looking for a room. And the guy says, the guy at the front desk is like, well, okay, I think we got a room. And then Frank says the, maybe one of the most insane lines of the movie, he says, uh, Hey, how about that dead kid's room?

Brent 37:06

Yeah,

George Milton 37:09

That's his comment to the guy at the front desk.

Brent 37:11

it was a strange line. I, I clocked that too.

George Milton 37:13

And so then the guy is like, sure, okay. And he takes him to Chance's. Apartment where Chance was killed. They basically go around the crime scene tape, right? Active crime scene. They have the stuffs that there's still blood all over the apartment. They haven't even cleaned like

Brent 37:31

the

George Milton 37:32

the

Brent 37:32

still in the ceiling that the bad guys knew about.

George Milton 37:34

Yes. Right. It's, it's evide, it's evidence. Bad guys knew about it. It would've been easy to find it if the detectives were detecting, but they just let him stay. They're like, yeah, this guy's now staying at his son's apartment. Active murder scene, active crime scene, and then we get a fla afl, the flashback of chance leaving for the city, blah, blah. Uh, so Frank's hanging out in his dead son's apartment, and then the phone goes off, right? So the next step here is that the phone starts ringing in the ceiling and he is like, oh, that's weird. Uh, so, okay, so we're about, we're about half an hour into the movie now. Which is unfortunate for all of us.'cause we've now spent half an hour with, with all these yokels.

Brent 38:21

Which means we've actually spent longer talking about the movie in real time than

George Milton 38:25

Yes, I know. Uh, and this is great. So he shows up at the Po Poker Club. Now he gets, somehow gets a clue. He does. Oh, first he does kind of a, he does kind of a, a Liam Neeson from Taken thing where he calls the last number on the phone. And it's Desmond, who we find out is Steven Segal's. Fuck up son in the movie?

Brent 38:47

And you're saying that's the kid that was Christmas story.

George Milton 38:52

Uh, no, that's, uh, well, wait, was was Desmond a Christmas story?

justin 38:56

Yeah, Desmond was, uh,

Brent 38:58

Schwartz,

justin 38:59

Schwartz, in the Christmas story.

Brent 39:01

huh? How about that?

George Milton 39:03

Right on. Well, there you go.

Brent 39:05

that you, now that you, me, it, I don't think I

George Milton 39:06

So he,

Brent 39:07

that.

George Milton 39:09

so he's, uh, he goes to the club. So Frank goes to the club. First he calls the last number, which is Desmond's number, and he does this kind of like Liam Neeson from taking scene where he is like, I'm gonna find you and I'm going to get you. I'm gonna make you pay or something. And so the next very next scene he finds him. He said he was gonna do it. He goes straight to fucking Desmond who killed.

justin 39:36

quickest find. That was the quickest find

Brent 39:38

Yeah, they, they didn't, they didn't really give any like point A to B. It was just like

George Milton 39:42

Oh,

Brent 39:42

kind of there.

George Milton 39:43

then he shows up at the poker club and he walks into the poker club and Desmond's there with all his boys and his like henchmen and stuff. And then Frank is like, Hey, I want to talk to you. And Desmond's like, okay. And so he walks outside with him

Brent 39:59

By

George Milton 40:00

leaves by himself.

justin 40:01

By himself. Doesn't like let any guys like come with'em, like it was

George Milton 40:05

I looked at the, I looked at the timestamp. We're at many minute 41 when they step outside. So Desmond de so he says to Desmond Frank says to Desmond, I know you killed my son. He says it to him and Desmond doesn't deny it. He's basically just like, what are you gonna do about it? They're completely alone in the alley,

justin 40:26

some

George Milton 40:27

outside, right in in City. City.

Brent 40:30

Yeah, with

George Milton 40:31

Frank's got.

Brent 40:31

the middle of it. This would be the film, you know, uh, taken basically, you know, at this point,

George Milton 40:36

Yeah,

Brent 40:37

this would be the end of the film in

George Milton 40:38

the be the end of the, so he's like there with the guy who killed his son. He knows he killed his son and he just says to the guy that he killed, he, he basically says, you killed my son. And he, the guy's like, what are you gonna do about it? Now what I would do about it is take out his gun, shoot this guy in the head in the movie.

Brent 40:55

He already cocked it.

justin 40:56

it. Yeah.

George Milton 40:57

He already cocked it. He cocked it like he cocked it like three days ago. That gun's itching to go off, but he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't kill him. Um, oh man, I, I'm skipping Yeah.

Brent 41:14

he takes his own gun from his waistband,

justin 41:16

the

Brent 41:16

and then he hits him in the, he hits him in the face with his gun before just walking off with

George Milton 41:21

off. He, yeah, he, oh man. He's, he takes, he takes

Brent 41:28

the gun. We find out after that he takes the gun to the detective guy to check it for,

George Milton 41:34

Detective. DMX.

Brent 41:35

prints.

justin 41:37

Match this ballistics.

George Milton 41:39

Yeah. So he steals very easily steals Desmond's gun. This is the gun that, this is the gun that killed the, that killed his kid. Takes the gun. I, I, man, I wrote down while he was in the, while, while he's at the poker club, he orders a double vodka and then he just leaves and doesn't drink it

justin 41:58

drinks, like

Brent 41:58

he doesn't me.

justin 41:59

vodka.

George Milton 42:00

Double vodka in a solo cup. He gets double vodka and a red solo cup. Like what is this?

Brent 42:05

for double vodka, you know that, by nature means, well, vodka. So he's getting like double McCormick's just poured in a solo.

justin 42:14

Oh, it was just that. I

George Milton 42:15

Just to.

justin 42:16

I was like, really? That's all. That's what we're gonna do. Double

George Milton 42:18

Double V, what do you have? Double vodka. And he just pours vodka into, oh gosh. Okay. So he walks off, he's got this guy's gun. We're gonna find out later that he's gonna get ballistics run on her. He's gonna try. And so now we see Steven Segal and, and, uh, Desmond in the same room. Then another wild bar, another wild like liquor order. Steven Segal sits down and says, the usual and I'll, I'll tell you what the usual is'cause it shows up three other times in this movie. For Steven Segal, the usual is a glass of ice water and a half a bottle of Johnny Walker. That's the usual.

justin 42:58

That's the usual. Yep.

George Milton 43:00

And he also, he orders the usual, they have this conversation and then he just leaves. Does Steven Siegal ever take a drink of the Johnny Walker or the water that he ordered? No, he doesn't.

justin 43:13

he's only lighting cigars. That's

George Milton 43:15

It's all cigar. He does drink. He does drink some of the weird, some. He does drink some of his drink towards the end of the movie. But apparently what he's doing is like pouring a little bit of Johnny Walker into a full glass of ice water. Like, anyway, it's wild. But he orders, that's his usual is a, is Johnny Walker and some ice water. He tells his son, what, what was the speech he gives his son a speech about like, you should be nice to people. Was like, he's like, you should try to be nice. He's like, you should try to be.

Brent 43:51

basically gives the same speech to his son that the mobster guy on John Wick gives to his son of basically like, you don't know who, you just pissed off. This is the son of the dirtiest cop I ever knew.

George Milton 44:05

Right. Yeah. That's when we find out that Frank's a dirty cop. So he is like

justin 44:09

he was a dirty cop.'cause

George Milton 44:10

was a dirty cop

Brent 44:11

Yeah, he is

George Milton 44:12

'cause

Brent 44:12

but

justin 44:13

But

George Milton 44:13

he left the city.

justin 44:14

in the same moment, we find out that DMX is actually a dirty cop.

George Milton 44:19

Right. So we take it. So then, then, uh, then he goes, Frank goes and drops off the gun with DMX and is like, Hey, you know, you run ballistics on this gun run ballistics on this gun, and DMX is like, yeah, sure thing, Frank. And, and then we find out that DMX, yeah, DMX is a dirty cap. He's working for. Steven Segal, Finney Augustine, Finn Ade Augustine Estrada Ade.

Brent 44:50

What are you even saying right now?

George Milton 44:52

That's Steven Segal's character's name?

Brent 44:54

Oh, okay.

George Milton 44:56

Um, I think so.

Brent 44:59

No, if

George Milton 44:59

I wrote it down somewhere. Yeah. All right. So man. We, we know that DMX is is dirty cop now. So like he calls, then he calls uh, Steven Segal to tell Steven Segal that he's got this gun and that Frank's onto him. Desmond and his goon show up to kill Frank. They, they show up. Alright. God damnit. It's so confusing, right? Because like Desmond is talks to DMX. Desmond is gonna, wants some information and Desmond Hands, DMX, like just a wad of bills for this information. And it's like, there was a hundred on the outside, but I saw some fives and ones in there. It's just like,

justin 45:47

it didn't seem like much money. It didn't

George Milton 45:49

it's just like some shit that's in his pocket

justin 45:52

yeah.

George Milton 45:53

and, and he like hands him the shit and basically like he turns in another cop, he is like, yeah, you can go kill this cop for like$128. He gives this guy up. So then he gives, basically DMX tells, uh, Desmond where Frank is staying, and then we cut to a night scene and it's Frank, or it's Desmond and his goons and they're at this apartment and they've come to kill the guy. One of Desmond's Goons says something like, my wife's gonna kill me if I get shot.

justin 46:26

Yeah. Yeah.

George Milton 46:30

And then. They go into the house and he is not there, and then their car blows up. Okay. Does the plot advance? Did we advance the plot?

Brent 46:39

No, but we did get a nice little joke in there about the old lady.

George Milton 46:43

Yeah. The old wife's gonna kill him, so maybe the Oh gosh. So they've got the guns, they've got the, Frank meets some lady. So there's some lady that used to be at the DA who's now in the movie. This lady pops up a couple of times. Do you guys know who that lady was? She like used to be at the da.

justin 47:05

like, they used to be a thing. She worked for some government agency.

Brent 47:09

That was kind of the vibe, but vibe was all we had to. Off of.

George Milton 47:13

That vibe. They, but they just keep meeting at this cafe. I doesn't advance the plot. DMX stops by to check on. Frank doesn't advance the plot. I just wrote down the plot has yet to be advanced.'cause he had his opportunity to kill that guy. And then, okay, then the goons get Willy. Is this when they get Willy? Because at some point the goons get out to the country and get Willy.

Brent 47:44

I mean, it was, yeah. Well, that was a little later.

justin 47:46

out. They first go out to, um, they go out to the house to get him. Right. So they go out to get Frank, and that's when they go, he shoots'em all up, except the one shoots him and they think they got him right. And

Brent 48:02

Right. And that was the other thing they, because they don't even bother to go check. They just like get a bullet in him. And, and even the one guy's even saying, he's like, no, I really wanna make sure he is dead. And he's like, don't worry about it, I killed him. You know, but like, it's just

George Milton 48:17

So, so they,

Brent 48:19

assumption.

George Milton 48:20

but, but then they take, do they take Swally at that point or no? They just leave.

Brent 48:24

It was a little later.

justin 48:26

comes back to try to get this dude.

George Milton 48:30

Okay. So. I made a, I made, I made a bunch of notes here. They're all just like how confusing this movie is, but like they come out to the country place where Frank lives and they bust in, right? And they see this fish from scene one.'cause like when the opening scene, Frank is fishing and he cuts this fish head off and we see the same fish. It's just sitting in the kitchen. This has gotta be like two weeks at this point, that that fish has been sitting there from scene one. And then Frank is there with like, he's hiding underneath the house with a pistol, right?

justin 49:09

A shotgun or something.

George Milton 49:10

He's, he had a pistol at the, well, he had a pistol at the beginning, which

justin 49:14

in the bushes. Yeah, he was in the bushes. Shot the first guy, took the guy's sh shotgun and rolled under the house and then shot the next guy's. Through the floorboards.

George Milton 49:23

was cool.

justin 49:24

out, he gets,

Brent 49:26

Shot in the back.

justin 49:27

to sh, he gets shot in the back and he turns around and shoots the guy. he was shot and then they think he's dead, but he's not. So he got three outta the four, he got capped, the guys leave you know, and then we cut to the hospital and it's like. You know, Cobbs and, and the mystery lady who's maybe, maybe undercover, DEA, we don't know, they're all like by his side.

George Milton 49:55

Right. Uh,

justin 49:58

like go to pay DMX money and be like, you need to take care of this. He's not dead. You need to take care of this. And they just throw money at DMX.

George Milton 50:08

BMX did have a, this was the, the second comedy line of the movie. He made some comment about gremlins.

justin 50:16

Oh

Brent 50:16

Oh yeah,

justin 50:16

a

Brent 50:17

gizmo. He call,

George Milton 50:18

He was like, he,

justin 50:19

gremlin. He doesn't die.

George Milton 50:21

he's like, you're, he's like, problems.

Brent 50:23

your problems. Uh,

George Milton 50:25

your problems are multi Yeah. Something about Gizmo and then they're like, what are you talking about? And he's like, you guys need to watch the movie Gremlins. And that was it. Uh, and then, and then we, he came back to Steven Segal and he tells he Disowns Desmond as his son.'cause he thinks Desmond's being sloppy. Oh, and then he's got his regular, he's got his Johnny Walker and ice water in the scene. Uh, and then the,

justin 50:56

he is not his son anymore. That was like, you're

George Milton 50:59

but he's like, you're not my son. You're not my son anymore.

justin 51:02

You're

George Milton 51:02

And I can't,

Brent 51:03

That was a pretty good accent that time.

justin 51:04

son.

George Milton 51:05

that was all right? Oh, man. I had to like,

Brent 51:07

one.

George Milton 51:08

I had to like dissociate, like I was, I was hovering slightly above my body when I did that. Um. So the DA lady tells Swee that Swilley should go home and she says, those fish, those fish ain't gonna catch themselves. And then she says that Swee went back to work. So like does sw, is that, is Swilley a fisherman?

justin 51:30

I think Willy's just a

Brent 51:32

That's the only,

justin 51:34

chilling on the chilling in the backwoods country.

George Milton 51:39

Um.

justin 51:39

Desmond goes and tries to find out where Frank is and he gets them.

George Milton 51:45

He, we see some scenes where like Desmond now is like clearly trying to take over the organization, the crime organization where he is like, my old man's not getting it done. So there's like just a little bit of a plot there. It never turns into anything. Um, and then we cut to DMX drinking at a bar in the middle of the day with his badge around his neck. Um, and then he gets the call, right? He gets the call that he needs to go finish the job. And this is the only, this is what I wrote down. This is the only, the only clue we get as to what city this might be. Um. They, they say, uh, DMX says he's in the bar. And the guy's like, oh, you're drinking on the job and DMX says the line. What cop do you know that doesn't, we work in one of the toughest cities in the country and my ears perked up.'cause I was like, we are about to hear it. And then the goon says to DMX, well, it's no shook. He said, oh, what? What? Whoever, I think it was the goon, I think the goon says to him, he's like, well, it's no Chicago. And then they cut away.

justin 52:56

There was like this weird interaction in the bar with the bartender, like he was

Brent 53:01

Yeah. Yeah.

justin 53:03

a drink, and DMX is like, leave the bottle. And the guy like, didn't know what to do and he poured like a little bit more. And the guy, he is like, leave the bottle. And he is like, leave the bot. He had

George Milton 53:11

Leave the bottle. Leave the bottle. Leave the bottle. It was weird.

justin 53:14

was playing the, uh, the bartender looked very confused and finally put the bottle down and just stood there. And I was like.

George Milton 53:20

It was like, yeah, it was like it wasn't in the script and DMX was like, I'm gonna improv.

justin 53:26

he is like, I'm going curb your enthusiasm on this bitch. Let's go.

George Milton 53:30

And then the, and then the uh, and then the bar, the actor playing the bartender was like, I'm supposed to take the bottle. And then they have this weird interaction. And then whoever the, like, I don't know, the whatever talented young person cut this movie together was like, oh, that's a good, that's the one. That's one.

justin 53:49

let's

George Milton 53:50

Let's leave this.

justin 53:51

dragging on. Well, you know, the only thing I can think of is like, what makes it weird is like, so if DMX goes off script there and he's saying something and he wants something from this. Who's basically a glorified extra, uh, the, the guy playing the bartender. In all fairness, he's thinking in his head, I'm not allowed to say anything. Like I'm not allowed to do anything because

George Milton 54:12

Yeah, he can't say anything.

justin 54:14

He can't say anything'cause

George Milton 54:15

'cause they're not, they're not gonna, they're not gonna pay for that. They're not gonna pay for that.

justin 54:19

So he's like

George Milton 54:19

He's not getting, he's not getting his card off. This,

justin 54:22

No. And that was clearly what was there. This was like, like, oh, this guy, poor guy is like an extra, and DMX is trying to interact with him, and this guy's like, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. Oh my gosh. Uh, but

Brent 54:35

That was all the time. They had to shoot it for that day, so.

justin 54:37

yeah,

George Milton 54:38

it.

justin 54:38

all they're like, so that, yeah. So now this sends us on this epic, uh, into the conclusion of this amazing masterpiece of cinema. Now, DMX has to go finish job.

George Milton 54:51

Yes. Yes. And so we're finally at, I guess I, I didn't think DMX and him were gonna be squaring off, but I thought Desmond was the main bad guy. But Frank squares off with literally everybody at the end of the movie. Which is like the last, so they're, so they're there. DMX and Frank are, are out there. DI, you know, they go through this whole thing of like, meet me at the whatever, meet me at the warehouse.

Brent 55:20

Yeah.

George Milton 55:20

And so now they're both there. They both have guns. Uh, I just wrote down that Frank says motherfuckers a lot, he says motherfuckers like a dozen times. And then Frank says, this ends tonight. And I wrote down, thank God, because I could have ended like an hour ago. I'm so glad we're at the final scene. And DMX has this monologue where he is like, where he basically is like, you know, the city only thinks I'm worth$48,000 a year.

Brent 55:55

I think it was, wasn't it? Wasn't it

George Milton 55:57

Yeah.

Brent 55:57

that?

George Milton 55:58

No, he said 40. He said, I, he said 48 fucking thousand dollars a year. That's what they think my life is worth. I rewind it so I could write that number down. So he's, he is like a lead homicide detective in a major metro, right?

justin 56:14

a

Brent 56:14

do know that you, we don't know what city, city it is, but we know that out of all the possibilities, it is not one

George Milton 56:21

Not,

Brent 56:22

and that that is Chicago.

George Milton 56:23

that is not Chicago. It's not as bad as Chicago, but. I did a little bit of research on median salary for homicide detective in 2019 when this movie came out, and he would've definitely been making, even, even at like a second tier metro or third tier metro, he definitely would've been making close to a hundred thousand dollars a year at least if he, and that's not considering seniority anyway. I don't know why I got obsessed with that, but e, even at, even at a hundred thousand dollars a year,

justin 56:50

George? You

George Milton 56:51

I wanted the truth. I was like, there's no way they're paying this man$48,000 a year. So anyway, they,

Brent 56:57

on that deep dive,

George Milton 56:59

yeah, no problem. So they struggle with DM X's gun, um, for a minute, and then Frank shoots DMX with it. And so DMX is out of the picture now. Um,

justin 57:14

just Frank just goes on a killing spree and just

George Milton 57:16

he goes in a killing spree.

justin 57:18

everybody.

George Milton 57:20

Uh. I don't know. Well, then also we have some drama that happens where Steven Egal finds out that Desmond's, that some people are trying to screw him, and then he goes and kills a bunch of people. Like he just, there's just a scene where he just walks outside of his office and there's five guys there, and he just shoots them all. He just like pop, pop, pop, pop, pop

justin 57:41

He's

George Milton 57:41

just shoots on.

justin 57:42

me. I know you're fucking me. And then

George Milton 57:45

Yeah. He's allergic to people fucking him.

justin 57:48

sitting, and mind you, he's literally been sitting this whole movie and then all of a sudden he stands up and he is like an expendable warrior, just like taking fools out, like pop, pop.

George Milton 57:59

Well, we saw him at the shooting range earlier, so we know they did establish at least that he shoots a gun.

Brent 58:05

It's true

George Milton 58:08

Uh,

Brent 58:08

that he practices.

George Milton 58:10

and then. Oh man. Oh, I wrote down his line. I wrote down Steven Segal's line because this was the clearest he speaks in the whole movie. He goes, uh, he walks out into the bar where all his henchmen are, who are like gonna, I guess, flip on him and he says, you wanna be a gangster? That's part of the life bitch. And then kills everybody.

justin 58:36

He just shoots, so that was awesome.

George Milton 58:39

Yeah. So Frank texts Desmond from, wait, he texts Desmond from DM X's phone'cause DMX is dead now. And he is like, job's done meet you at the warehouse. So they go to another warehouse.

Brent 58:53

A lot

George Milton 58:53

And so, so like Frank shows up and kills Desmond like pretty fast. He kills him pretty fast.

justin 59:00

Pretty fast.

George Milton 59:01

This is a guy who killed his son, right?

Brent 59:03

Right,

George Milton 59:03

So now he's killed a

Brent 59:04

knew killed his son the last time. They were

George Milton 59:06

last time they say.

Brent 59:07

he had a firearm, and Desmond didn't.

George Milton 59:09

Yeah, so now, I mean, I guess I think that we were supposed to see that he was making efforts to be the good guy by taking the gun and running ballistics instead of just going completely off the reservation. Maybe that's what that was about.

Brent 59:25

Could be.

George Milton 59:26

So then, then Frank, so he kills Desmond and then he gets shot in the side, which he doesn't seem to care about. The same way that he didn't like he was on life support like 20 minutes ago. Right. And he just gets up and walks out of the hospital. Like they don't even,

Brent 59:44

goes on the.

George Milton 59:46

it goes on a killing spear. And they don't even, they don't even do the, they don't even try to die hard. Him a little bit where they like rub some dirt on, you know what I mean? Like, they don't rub dirt on him or make him look bruised or just, he's just like, he's just like refreshed. And now he's got shot on the side again, and then, and now he wa.

Brent 1:00:03

beds.

George Milton 1:00:04

And now he walks in to confront Finney, which is the boss, which is Steven Al's character. I didn't know that he was gonna confront this guy. Like he walks in to confront Steven Segal as if this was the,

Brent 1:00:20

The

George Milton 1:00:21

this, yeah. As this, this is the big showdown that we've obviously all been waiting for. And I was like, what the fuck is happening? Like, did he got revenge right? Like he already got revenge. A, and so he goes in to confront Steven Segal. Now he walks into Steven Segal's office. He's on the opposite side of the room and he has a gun. Okay. These are, these are important. These are important. Establishing kind of like facts to know. Frank walks in. Steven Segal is sitting down, smoking a cigar.

Brent 1:00:57

Usually.

George Milton 1:00:58

He's sitting down a lot. Frank walks in. He's on the other side of the room and he has a gun, right? So they start talking, I didn't write down this stuff. They're having their kind of like last standoff dialogue and then all of a sudden somehow we're, we're now getting like Busto from Steven Segal. This is his five seconds of fighting that he does in this movie.

justin 1:01:31

And all of a sudden he's like a ninja warrior man,

Brent 1:01:34

Yeah, he beats. He beats his ass.

George Milton 1:01:37

He beats his, well, he gets him into that busto thing where he is like bending his fingers back, right? Where like in, in Busto land, apparently that is the worst thing you can do to a person is bend their f is like bend their wrist back. So he does that.

Brent 1:01:55

makes'em flip over usually.

George Milton 1:01:58

Yeah, it makes him completely flip over. I love watching those stupid bato videos. But anyway, anyway, so like, so like Steven Sal kicks his ass and then, and then he gives him, he gives a speech, like he, he gives a like, here's my full plan and I'm the bad guy. Speech. And then he shoots Frank. So Frank is dead now, and then his phone. Comes out, he pulls his phone out of his pocket and we, it, it's revealed that he was on the phone with nine one one

Brent 1:02:29

For two minutes.

George Milton 1:02:30

for two minutes. And then we hear, uh, and then Frank has a line, he has some, he has some line about like, you're gonna sp he's like, you're gonna, you're

Brent 1:02:41

the, you're gonna spend the rest of your life in prison knowing I'm the one that puts you there, and then you immediately start hearing police sirens

George Milton 1:02:49

sirens immediately.

Brent 1:02:50

as the phone is.

justin 1:02:50

cops have ever like which really is funny to me, especially like, I mean, it's not funny, but like, it's funny because this guy I know in LA he just, he had this scary thing happen with like this stalker showing up at his house three times and he was posting about, he's called 9 1 1 like multiple times and he is on hold for like nine minutes. So like in this movie. Police show up in like three seconds and in real life you can't even get somebody on the phone in nine minutes.

Brent 1:03:20

but that's why it's really a safe place when you live in City, city.

George Milton 1:03:24

City, city. Well, the cops don't clean up crime scenes at all. Right. They're just letting people, they're just letting people stay in the, the motel. They're like, give, give him the price line rate for that room. But yeah, he's, he, he gives that, he gives that he, I wish he had done it. In your frank voice, you get a Frank Detective, Frank Wilson voice.

justin 1:03:46

Voice.

Brent 1:03:47

I want you to spend the rest of your life in prison knowing that I'm the one that put you there.

George Milton 1:03:52

That's pretty good. Uh, here I wrote down, are we done yet?'cause it seemed like everything was pretty well wrapped up and the answer is no, we're not.

justin 1:04:03

This was the weird ending.

George Milton 1:04:04

for some, yes, for some fucking reason. Can you guys, somebody explain the last scene to me

justin 1:04:09

No, I

George Milton 1:04:09

please? Somebody please explain the last scene. Explain the, Brent, can you explain the last sentence, please? Explain it.

Brent 1:04:15

Yeah, I'll do my best effort at this. So one thing that we kind of did glaze over in this explanation up till this point was that you found out that like, whereas you spent a lot of the movie the assumption, again because assumptions are really all you have, most of the time that, uh, what was it Chance was that the kid's name.

George Milton 1:04:34

Yep.

Brent 1:04:34

The chance blew all the money gambling you found out at one point, like kind of close to the end, but before this point that we're at, now that the lover girl that was working at the, the casino, like heisted a lot of this money off of him and

George Milton 1:04:51

Yeah,

Brent 1:04:51

like, oh, but I, but I loved him. I just was, I had a plan. I wanted to get myself together and all this. So this

George Milton 1:04:57

she had to get out of the city.

Brent 1:05:00

yes, she had the city.

justin 1:05:03

better life.

Brent 1:05:05

Um,

George Milton 1:05:05

It's, but like who?

Brent 1:05:06

scene, after all of the battles have happened, see her just kind of in a hotel room, I guess she got out of the city, is what we're meant to assume with the, the fact that she's in a hotel and then this lady from earlier in the film bust open the door with a gun, with a silencer. As the girl begs for her life, she pops like three bullets I think into her, and then credits

justin 1:05:33

Yeah, like how did the, this new, this, this dealer of some kind of unicorn thing, uh, that we never learned actually what her family sells, but just knew that this girl had the money and just finds her.

George Milton 1:05:47

None of it's explained.

Brent 1:05:49

at all.

justin 1:05:51

None.

George Milton 1:05:53

And she's, and she's reading, oh God. And she, we, while we see Charlotte in the hotel, I'm getting mad guys, I'm getting mad at this. We see when we see Charlotte in the hotel room, she's. She is like reading the news on her phone or something, and she sees a story that, uh, Augustino Re, which is Steven Al's character is being questioned, being questioned in the murder of Frank Wilson. Right. He killed Frank Wilson in cold blood, and the cops were there like two minutes later, but he's being questioned. We also know, guys, what do, what else do we know? We know that this city is full of filthy cops, but tons of filthy cops. Nothing but filthy cops. If, if Frank Wilson wanted his revenge, why like it's. Just, why isn't this guy better at just shooting people? He should have just walked in and shot Steven Siegal like he was willing to die, so this guy would find justice Anyway. Who the fuck is this lady that kills Charlotte? At the end we see they end the movie. We see this dual between Steven Segal and and Frank Wilson. Arguably, the characters were supposed to carry the most about in this movie and then. The movie's resolved, and then we see this other scene where they closed the movie with the two characters that we don't know shit about. Like, who are these people? Why? Why do we care? It's like, it's like they were trying to do like a Avengers like little twist ending where it's like, oh, we're gonna tease the, no, nobody cares. Last thing I wrote was, what the fuck movie over an hour and 30 minutes.

justin 1:07:31

I, I wish I had an hour and 30 minutes back in my life. And here's the, here's the, here's my final say on this is because, uh, I love. Bad actiony, crazy cliched movies. Like I love all the fun ones. I love all the things. This was not that. This was just a pile of horse shit. this was so bad I almost, if it wasn't for the fact that we were gonna discuss this and I know I needed to watch it, this would've been turned off.

Brent 1:08:04

Oh, for sure.

justin 1:08:05

before and

George Milton 1:08:06

10 minutes in. 10 minutes in.

justin 1:08:08

and I will watch anything and I will sit through things. I've sat through things where I'm like, eh, all right, whatever. But like this was like, this is not even a plane movie. Like I love movies that are also plane movies where you're like, this is garbage, but it's really good on a plane. was just, how did this, it made me mad, like, how did they get$7 million to make this movie?

George Milton 1:08:30

I don't know.

Brent 1:08:31

Uh. I gotta echo the same thing and say like, I also consider myself sort of a fan in a weird way of like, bad movies, like examples of like, the room being a, a really classic, ver version of that. Or, uh, there's, you know, a couple of like, uh, these Christian films that were made by, um, oh, what's the guy with the crazy, uh, Kenneth, uh, Copeland, uh, did these movies called, uh. The rally where he plays like, like sort of a, either a Greek or Mexican drug, Lord, with a thick accent. Again, you can't really tell, but there's, it's so bad that I kind of enjoy that, but as, as Justin said this, this movie wasn't even that, it was, it wasn't the, the same type of bad where there's some sort of weird, like you just enjoy watching the train wreck of it. This was just a hard watch, you know, just all it

George Milton 1:09:29

Let's, uh, let, let's maybe start with Justin.'cause Justin, I feel like you've, you've given your rundown, but, uh, what, the question that I want to know with any backup, uh, any final arguments that you wanna make is, do you want to veto this movie?

justin 1:09:45

Oh, I will veto, I will put everybody's veto card on this movie and say, please do not watch this movie ever. Please just remember Steven Segal from Under Siege and Under Siege two, and. other really amazing cheesy action movies that are just glorious. But this is something that you will just wish you had your time back in life, and you will be very upset that you don't have that time back because it is the biggest steaming pile of shit I've ever seen.

George Milton 1:10:21

That's how you really feel. Uh, we got one veto. We got one shining gold veto card that's been plunked down on the table. Uh, hey Brent, do you wanna veto this movie?

Brent 1:10:34

Uh, yeah. I like, except I, I, if I'm allowed to, would like to play that veto card in such a way that as a fan of bad cinema. I don't think that Steven Egal even makes the grade for that. So I, I vetoed Steven Egal as a whole. Anything post under Siege two, uh, I vetoed Steven Segal.

George Milton 1:10:57

Wow. Well, this movie is certainly authentic. Well, I, I mean, guys, I, I'm having a hard time. I was having a hard time trying to decide whether or not to veto this movie. It doesn't matter now because you guys have overruled me and I know what's coming. I know what's coming for this movie. Uh. There was a part of me that had fun watching this movie, uh, it would've been, I would've loved to watch this movie on an airplane. Just, I like to watch the most mindless shit on an airplane, but I'm gonna,

Brent 1:11:30

I was gonna say I, the way that I think I would've enjoyed this movie more. Is if we actually would've all gotten together to watch it so we could shit on it the whole time that it was going on,

George Milton 1:11:41

yeah.

Brent 1:11:41

it a fun, social experience. But the isolation I felt watching this, I, I mean,

justin 1:11:47

Science

Brent 1:11:48

hmm.

George Milton 1:11:49

Out.

justin 1:11:49

of bad movies.

George Milton 1:11:51

Yeah. Yeah. We, I mean, well, let's all watch it together. We won't be able to, because our first, our first movie review. I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw my veto card in the ring too, guys, even though I don't need to, I want to make sure that we wipe the smear of beyond the law, out of existence, so.

justin 1:12:12

my underpants.

George Milton 1:12:14

We, we vetoed the movie. I did have a good time watching it. I, it, I think the mo I think the most fun, aside from talking to you guys about it, probably the most fun part about this movie was reading my notes the day after and being like, what the fuck is this?'cause I felt like it was a fever dream.

Brent 1:12:35

Yeah.

George Milton 1:12:36

Um, this movie got 3.6 stars. On IMDB,

Brent 1:12:43

Is that outta 20

George Milton 1:12:45

well, ba basically on, uh, hold on. Rotten Tomatoes out of a hundred percent Rotten Tomatoes gave this one 17%.

Brent 1:12:58

generous?

justin 1:12:58

Give it like two. Yeah. I feel like that's, I'd give it. Can you give a negative percentage?

George Milton 1:13:04

No, you can't.

justin 1:13:05

Well, then I veto that.

George Milton 1:13:07

You can't, you've already used your veto card to scrub this movie out of existence. Oh man. What else are you guys doing this week? I'm gonna be at the bar tomorrow. Just, uh, Brent is not gonna be there

Brent 1:13:22

I mean, there's no reason I couldn't come swing by. I just need vocal rest.'cause I've been singing a lot.

George Milton 1:13:29

swing by

justin 1:13:30

singing swing on. Bye for cocktail. Well, fun, fun thing. This week I got, I went hunting and I got my first deer, so that was very exciting.

George Milton 1:13:41

Yeah, I saw the picture of Justin with his

justin 1:13:44

organic meat for my family.

Brent 1:13:46

are you, are you doing, are you like processing the, the, I mean, are you, are you doing like some.

justin 1:13:51

the field dressing and like I took it to a processor, but you know, I felt, felt like Frank Wilson just out there shooting DMX, boom.

George Milton 1:14:00

damn. Yeah. Gee, yeah, this movie was bad guys, but I'm glad we got to talk about it. Uh, that's all. That's all for this week. Uh, if you've guys got, have got terrible movies that you want us to watch

justin 1:14:16

Yeah,

George Milton 1:14:17

uh, questions you want us to answer, we'll do whatever or segments you want us to do. God, we, we will be little monkeys for you. Just let us know at veto the podcast@gmail.com. Uh, until next time, uh, had great hanging with you guys and, uh, we love you and we'll see you later. Bye-bye.