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Veto The Podcast Episode 25 - Veto Goes To Camp

• George Milton, Brent Bobbitt • Season 1 • Episode 25

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The boys have packed their swimtrunks and headed off to summer camp where they practice olympic curling and tell each other about their dreams and learn knots.

What's the most mediocre sport? It's speedo golf, for sure. Or is it?

How do you be good at golf? And what are golf clubs supposed to cost??

It's Veto The Podcast, and it's outdoors now!

SPEAKER_00

The podcast you are about to listen to was made by idiots and will probably make you dumber. Pregnant or nursing women and those with weakened immune systems should turn away immediately. All others, proceed at your own risk and prepare to veto the podcast.

SPEAKER_02

You've got a friend, you've got a friend in me. If I'm the kind of friend you need to I hope I have a friend in you. I'm feeling okay. I'm pretty good. Alright. And I hope I have a friend in you, do it a friend and you chew up.

SPEAKER_06

A guten Tag and welcome to Camp Vito the Podcast, the podcast that also doubles as an incredibly exclusive summer camp where boys become men and men become ultimate alpha testosterone machines. I'm your host, your favorite uncle, and the meanest camp counselor, George Milton. I am joined this week by my good friend and this summer's archery instructor, Brent Bobbitt. What's up, Brent?

SPEAKER_04

Uh, not much. I have a pretty good track record, I guess, as an archer. I've not killed anyone yet. I explained that dog doesn't count. It wasn't stupid. Hey, we still got time, man.

SPEAKER_06

The summer's just getting started.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Uh we're also joined uh for the first time at Camp Vita, the podcast, by a guy who's gonna make you run every morning before breakfast. And he's also gonna teach you how to tie all the 18 different types of knots. It's uh Johnny King. What's up, Johnny? What's up, y'all? Hitch knot.

SPEAKER_03

What's hitch? That's the only knot I could think of.

SPEAKER_04

No, wait, wait, how many how many knots do you guys properly know? Oh gosh. Uh like how to tie or just like to say the name of like to name.

SPEAKER_06

No, like that you could name and tie. God, I mean, what's the one that you tie when you tie your shoes? That one. I can I can tie I can tie it. I can't name it. Bunny ears?

SPEAKER_03

I can do uh some kind of fishing tie. I don't know. I don't know what it's called. I have no idea. My papi shot me when I was a kid, but he didn't tell me what it was called. I see. How about you?

SPEAKER_04

Maybe like four. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah?

SPEAKER_04

I mean, I'd I mean, obviously there's a granny knot, a square knot, square knot's a good double bow line on follow-through. Uh there's a uh let's just go with three then.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, that sounds good. I think my favorite is probably the European death knot. Oh I do actually know how to tie that one, and I just it's basically it's basically an overhand knot, which is just like the most basic knot. Oh, overhand knot. There we go. Overhand knot. So European death knot is an overhand knot with two ropes instead of one.

SPEAKER_03

Oh. Um you gotta make sure they're dead.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Like the Europeans would do.

SPEAKER_04

Someone should teach me how to tie a what knot.

SPEAKER_06

Uh, that's pretty good. I just because I like to be prepared, when I said that intro about Johnny, I actually have a chart up on my computer that's 25 different types of knots. You're kidding. No, I'm not kidding at all.

SPEAKER_04

I got the Pro Sha Kitty set, dude. The climb heist. I think you you you screwed up on that one then. If you would have just started like naming off knots, you would have blown our mind.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

I'm good at preparing, good at preparing bad. Like, man, I know like all the bad at delivering. Yeah. Oh, you guys don't know the knot. You guys don't know the climb highest? What about the tensionless hitch knot? That's a classic.

SPEAKER_03

The clove, the clove? I don't know.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Uh and then you got your munter hitch knot. There's actually a whole, yeah. There's a whole category of knots that you have to uh tie with a carabiner. Anyway, welcome to Vito the podcast. Guys, let me unknot these veto uh cards and hand them to you. Oh they're actually made out of rope this week. So there you go. You just get two and you can veto uh you can veto anything you want. I know we haven't done this podcast in a while. Uh I feel a little rusty. I feel a little rusty doing a podcast. What is it we do here? Nothing. Nothing at all.

SPEAKER_03

We yeah, we uh we hang out, talk a lot of shit.

SPEAKER_06

Johnny, you moved since last time. You talked about it and talked about it, and you're in a new house now.

SPEAKER_03

I'm in a new house. Congrats. We are on that. We're we're on the river. So I just when I get bored, I just go out there and fish a little bit. That's cool.

SPEAKER_04

Um is it a is it a like a freshwater river or one of those that's connected to the ocean?

SPEAKER_03

It's connected to the ocean. So it's we get tides and sharks.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, so when you say a river, you really mean like one of those fancy uh boat roads, right? Is that what I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_03

A boat road. It's a fancy boat road.

SPEAKER_06

All right, man. Nice up every morning at five and like swim the boat road.

SPEAKER_03

I do not I do not swim the boat road. There are too many sharks in there.

SPEAKER_07

Oh shit, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

That's I'm not really worried about sharks, but they're little, but I don't know. It just feels uh it's no like awesome.

SPEAKER_04

You just bite them back.

SPEAKER_06

I don't I uh I've never thought about what kind of middle-aged person I want to be, but I know what kind of old man I want to be, and I want to be the kind of old man that like gets up and swims in a freezing lake in the morning. Oh you know, and like chops wood or something.

SPEAKER_03

Like when you say freezing, how cold does it have to be?

SPEAKER_06

I don't know, like 70 degrees.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, there you go. So like so like Lake Austin works.

SPEAKER_06

Like Barton Springs, yeah. Like Barton Springs is like 68 year round and it feels pretty cold.

SPEAKER_04

It does feel quite cold when you're in there. Yeah. Um so do you like in this scenario? Are are you you because you say what kind of a middle-aged person you want to be thought of that in future tense?

SPEAKER_06

No, I'm I don't I never thought about what kind of middle-aged person I want to be. So I'm just being Yeah, but are you not there already? I am there, and I did I never I never I never thought about I'm just the guy that I am, and I never now you are that I never considered what I would be like at this age, but I do know that I considered like what I would be like at 75, and I want to be taking a brisk, I want to be like that guy who like shouldn't be wearing a speedo, but he's wearing a speedo. You know the guy.

SPEAKER_03

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, sure. I want to age into that guy.

SPEAKER_03

You're gonna be that guy. Yeah. I can see it.

SPEAKER_04

I think you gotta start wearing the speedoes more frequently, like now then to kind of grandfather it in. If you just pick it up at that age, then it seems I would force.

SPEAKER_06

I wear a speedo now, but it's like it's one of those, it's one of the ones that goes down close to your knees, you the jammers.

SPEAKER_03

So like jammers.

SPEAKER_06

As I get oh, like those really tight shorts. Yeah. So like as I get older, I want it to turn into like the I want it to get shorter and shorter. You know, until I've got like a like swimming in a G string. Like just a European looking guy, all flabby and wrinkly and too tan.

SPEAKER_03

When I close my eyes, I I can see it clearly, George.

SPEAKER_06

I can't do I can't do, Johnny. Uh one other thing that I want to talk about with y'all. I went to like I've been I've been traveling for work for a couple of weeks, and I went to a conference, and I get like every time I go to some conference or work event, I get another like Yeti mug or something. It's like the number the number one thing that gets branded and given out. Anyway, I got this one at this conference, and it looks like just a regular coffee mug, but then it's got this little like straw thing on it, and Aaron saw me drinking out of it for the let me just give you a preview of me drinking out of this thing. Okay, I see it. Yeah, it looks like a baby with a sippy cup, right? It's adorable. And I was like, I don't know, I put like some water in it, and I was and Aaron walked in and I was like mid, like and she was like, Oh, you got your sippy, you got you sippy co what do you guys think this is for? I mean, you're not drinking coffee with a straw, right? It looks like a coffee mug with a straw.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I mean, like, I know that my wife would use it for chilled water, you know. So that's what I've got on it. There you go.

SPEAKER_05

But yeah.

SPEAKER_06

It it looks I mean, look.

SPEAKER_03

There's no way to look cool, you would drink coffee through a straw.

SPEAKER_06

Would you? Like hot coffee or iced coffee?

SPEAKER_03

I put so much cream in my coffee. It's it's never too hot.

SPEAKER_06

We have seen your coffee, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. That's what we're calling it.

SPEAKER_06

Uh well, do you guys want to do some segments? I don't know if y'all remember that we do segments. What do we do again? I don't know, man. I don't know. That's what we're here for, right? I have this dice. Hold on. I've got the dice of destiny. Let me rub some dust off of it. I don't know if it's gonna roll straight. Uh Brent, how about how about you be six and two, man? Six and two, man.

SPEAKER_04

I was gonna say one and two. All right.

SPEAKER_06

What? No, you're six and two. No. Johnny's one and six and two. Johnny's one and four, and I'll be three and five. Uh, that's a six. That's Brent.

SPEAKER_04

Hey, that's me. Um so the segment I was gonna jump back into today was uh kind of brought on by the thought of that uh right now it's the you know World Cup time, so there's a lot of talk about that, especially now that I've uh got you know more friends internationally than what I would have years ago. Uh I you know they they get more into it than your average US citizen does, I think. But it got me to thinking about uh you know, revisiting the hall of mediocrity. And one category that we've not really dove into so far out of the categories that we've picked up has been sports. And so rather than dissecting it into something even more finite and you know specific than that, I kind of wanted to just throw it out there as a broad category that we I would like to induct a sport into the hall of mediocrity. I mean, there's a lot of sports played all over the world, some a lot more popular than others. But the uh idea behind I'm losing my my notes here. Let me scroll. I mean, I've already got my idea of the hall of mediocrity. I thought of it immediately. Nice. Well, the idea for anybody that hasn't tuned in for the Hall of Mediocrity is that we're we're gonna pick the category, as we have in this case, sports. Each of us are gonna try to think up what we would like to be our nomination for the hall of mediocrity. After we've s stated what that is, then we're each gonna get a chance to uh, you know, make our case for that particular thing. And then once we've done that, we'll have a slight period of open debate, and then we will all be voting on an uh inductee into the hall of mediocrity, and only a unanimous vote can uh give the honor of being inducted into the hall of mediocrity. So, George, you said you immediately thought of one.

SPEAKER_06

Uh, I think you should Can you set the stage by like reminding us what some of the things are that are in the Hall of Mediocrity? Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04

So I'll I'll actually tell you in our entire lineup right now.

SPEAKER_08

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

As of yet, uh, we have four inductees officially into the Hall of Mediocrity. Our inaugural inductee, the very first one that we had, was for the most mediocre modern country artist, of which Florida Georgia Line uh took the honor of that one. They were our first one in there.

SPEAKER_07

Classic.

SPEAKER_04

Uh after that, we uh inducted uh the most mediocre movie candy. We decided on milk duds for the fact that it's you know, it's something that really kind of gets it's tasty, but it gets caught in your teeth, and it's just it's a difficult eat. Uh there's just better things out there. Um, there too. That's important. There's way worse things out there. That's an important part of being. That's important. Then uh we had uh the uh category of the most mediocre rom-com film, and we decided that the most uh mediocre rom-com film is in fact mediocre. I remember that one.

SPEAKER_06

Oh man.

SPEAKER_04

Shout out to my boy Maddie.

SPEAKER_06

That's great.

SPEAKER_04

Uh our final and fourth uh so far inductee was for vacation destinations, uh, of which Galveston, Texas, took the honor of that one. Oh, poor Galveston. So uh because it's kind of cool, but it's not real cool. But it's not the least cool. It's not the least cool at all. Um, so here we are. Uh our new category is uh sport. What is the most mediocre sport in existence in the current age?

SPEAKER_06

I'm gonna take a swing, man. It's definitely not soccer. Uh no, like I think we all agree on that right now. Like soccer is fucking awesome. The world would come for us, the world would come for us. It's for sure pickleball. It's for sure pickleball.

SPEAKER_03

Make your make your case. I will make my case.

SPEAKER_06

I will make my case because I don't think pickleball's the worst sport. Like, I think there are uh I don't know, there are way worse sports. Like I like, I don't know. I think chess is considered a sport, like they put it on ESPN. There's a bunch of things like esports. I don't know how I feel about esports. I like video games. I kind of think esports are silly. I know, don't come at me, but I think pickleball is like it requires a little bit of athleticism, but like not a lot. They're like like old people love pickleball, they're playing it at bars and senior centers. They do. Yeah, they do. Like I I know a number of save, I'll save my my my comments for open debate. Okay, I know a number of people who have like torn an Achilles or like ruptured a knee or something, like playing pickleball after two beers. Not worth it. You know what I mean? Like, oh, you ruptured your Achilles playing pickleball? Like uh if you rupture your Achilles like in a like in a basketball league or something, like pretty cool. That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Pickleball pickleball.

SPEAKER_06

I kind of like would just make up a story. If I hurt myself playing pickleball, I'd I'd like to make up a story. That's my nomination.

SPEAKER_03

Alright. That's that's pretty good. For my nomination, I nominate golf. I I love golf. I enjoy playing golf. I'm not good at it. Nobody's good at it. But I think that's true. But I'm especially not good at it. But I enjoy it. And so for me to consider a sport, you know, in the upper echelons of sports, I I need to be able to enjoy watching it and enjoy maybe not actually be able to do it myself. There's plenty of stuff that I can enjoy doing without doing it myself. But I think if I can play golf and go out there and have a good time and nobody is actually good at it, can it be a good sport? I think not. I don't think so. Okay, so but it's it's obviously very popular. People enjoy doing it, and uh some people enjoy watching it. I I have to be in the right mood to watch it. But I can't get super excited about golf. Yeah, like super drunk or super bored, if I'm really bored. I'll watch golf. I could get into it too, but I'd uh I'd I can't get excited I can't I can't I don't I would never DVR golf to watch. And so for me, it's for anything to be better than mediocre, it has to be something I'd be willing to to DVR.

SPEAKER_04

Alright. Golf. Uh I I think for my case then, and a nominee, uh I'm gonna have to go with uh curling, you know. Uh it's like I mean we it's on the it's it's an Olympic sport.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So like it obviously like has some sort like there's there's a reach to it that that comes along with that. But it's a sport that unfailingly like people don't like, I mean, of course, we generally would understand that each team is trying to get their and like I don't even know if it's called a puck or a stone or a I don't even know whatever. It's called a stone. I think I think it's called a stone too. But yeah, the there we know they're trying to get theirs like the closest to the dot or whatever, but beyond that, like nobody really understands the nuances of the rules. I've never heard of anybody tuning in on the Olympics specifically for curling. I've never known anybody that wasn't an Olympic fuck, I can just shortcut it from that. I've never ever once in my life had anybody that I know be like, oh, we're gonna do some curling this weekend, you know. But like, but it's something that like when it's on TV, I don't think it necessarily demands like a quick channel change. Like you can leave it running in the background, it's not terrible. Like, you know, it's it's like intuitive enough that you're like, okay, I can watch them try to get it to the middle, but like I don't understand the rules or anything. It's just sort of, it's just sort of there. And it's not exciting. It's not real, I mean, there's just nothing to it. So like I've I've got to uh put that one on as my nominee for this, but I definitely have some debate thoughts towards both of your categories to try to rally for my nomination. Is there anything you guys would have to add?

SPEAKER_03

I've got to ask about curling real fast. What do you think? What is it like to um you know, like there's there's plenty of there's professional basketball, but then there's plenty of people that go to the YMCA and go play rec. Is there rec leagues for curling? Like, how do you get into it? Do you just decide, all right, I'm I'm in, I'm gonna be able to get a lot of things. Yeah, no, that's my point or or bust.

SPEAKER_04

I feel like every curler is probably like the 12th generation of curlers. Like from a long line of it's like a really exclusive.

SPEAKER_06

I will say though, like when if I if I turn on the TV or I'm like at a bar and curling is on, I can't look away from it.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Like, because I'm like, because I'm like the whole time, I will say that like with pickleball and with golf, I know what's going on. But curling, I'm like, I'm like, oh my god, everybody in the stadium right now is really intensely watching this slow-moving rock. Why? I think I mean I think it's a stone. I think the rules are kind of similar to like shuffleboard, right? Shuffleboard.

SPEAKER_04

I'm pretty sure it's similar to that, and like what do they call it? Bo bochiball or bulky, I don't forget the name of it. You know what I'm talking about. The boat boatyball. Uh yeah, but I mean, but we don't really know because and the reason we don't know is because nobody gives a shit. It's on your TV in the Olympics every single time the winter Olympics are on. But like, as you said, if it's on, people are gonna watch it. Like, because it's not bad. It's just nothing that anyone's ever gonna care about. Now, let me argue against the other categories for that, because I'm gonna rally for mine. Look, because in particular, my argument for pickleball is that like, I mean, the reason that you kind of think of it and go, well, okay, well, it's yeah, it's played in retirement communities, isn't because it's a game that doesn't require as much physicality. Well, I mean, or in a way you could say that, but only in the sense that it's a very scalable game. You can play it with other people that are at the same physical level as you, and especially if you're playing doubles, like it's a scalable game. You can still have fun doing it without the the big physical need. But if you think that like a, you know, a pro at it can go that those old people are gonna be able to have it. I mean, like, that's just silly. Like it scales just like that.

SPEAKER_06

You know what? You know what else scales really well? Fucking Matthew McConaughey rom coms, fucking milk duds, Florida, Georgia Lion. Like, if like you're making my case for me, like like mediocre stuff scales super well because it's just kind of average.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, because it's still any any game you could say is gonna be like a test of who's better at it. And so, like, if you shuffle and play any game with someone of your skill level, it's probably gonna be more fun than playing with someone that can whip your ass. But to imply that there's not as much of a physical angle to it is is just insane because I've I mean, I have really tuckered myself out many times doing that.

SPEAKER_06

I enjoy thinking it's not physical. What I'm saying is that it's right in the middle, right? It's right on the line of like it's right on the line.

SPEAKER_04

I think it can be one of the most physically demanding things out there if you want it to be. Okay. Well, you can play singles with someone else in shape and see if you're not.

SPEAKER_03

I've never died curled. I've never curled, but I've swept the floor. And I know how physically exhausting that can be. All of that sweeping. Yeah. I'm a madman going through this house.

SPEAKER_04

But imagine how much you tune out while doing that. Like when you're sweeping, you're elsewhere.

SPEAKER_03

Are they listening to an audiobook? While they're curling, what while they're sweeping? They definitely are.

SPEAKER_04

And in golf, there's no way you can possibly try to pretend it's mediocre. Like even if you're not that good at it, so what? The fact that it's a game that watching professionals play makes companies want to sponsor them because they know that all these golfers will go out there and spend tens of thousands of dollars buying their product because they hope to be as good as this golfer. Like we're grown-ups and we should know better than that. And we do it anyway because golf is a game that people like have passion for. You know, I other than just tourers.

SPEAKER_03

That's my point.

SPEAKER_04

But other than other than curlers, nobody has passion for curling. Also, I've never seen anybody that hates curling, but I've seen people that passionately hate pickleball and shit on it relentlessly, you know. So it's like it's too, it's too divisive for it to be mediocre. It's it's you either you love it or you hate it. I love pickleball.

SPEAKER_06

I think an argument for uh for golf being mediocre, because I d like Johnny, I've also been like looking on uh Facebook Marketplace for like used golf clubs because I that's the old man you want to be the old man. Oh man, I'd love to be there. I gotta get the best. I gotta do it. Everybody will let you play through. I gotta get there. But I'm like on Facebook, I'm like on Facebook Marketplace, like looking for clubs, and I'm like, what are clubs supposed to cost? Is it is it like 150 bucks or like 1500 bucks? Because it seems like people will pay and pay either of those prices. Yes, it seems like people will pay either of those prices, and I'm like, I can't tell the difference. It's just a bunch of like it's a bunch of metal sticks that look I don't know.

SPEAKER_04

But yes, it's also I'm one of those idiots that like I will go at it if I'm gonna be doing it, then it's like one person could make a much more sound argument of saying, don't buy the expensive stuff when you need to work on your form, and that's where most of the problem's gonna lie anyway. But my logic goes, well, if something's holding me back, I don't want it to be the equipment I'm using. I want to know that it's me. So like I'm gonna get the nice stuff.

SPEAKER_06

I want to I know that it's probably me though. Like I know it's probably me. Oh yeah, yeah. Like I remember I used to play golf more often when I lived in Dallas, and I'd uh I'd go play with like the Pete's uh people like during the week or something. We can go play for like 15 bucks or something. But like I just really got good at hitting with like a six iron, and so I would just hit with a six iron because it was like the right angle. So like I had like bought a set of used golf clubs, but I just took my six iron, my nine iron, and my putter, and I just walked around with them just like in my hand. Solid a great way to do it. I couldn't figure out like I could never figure out how to like hit with a driver. I know that I've I know that I've like given up some mass some man points by saying that, but I just like could never hit with the driver.

SPEAKER_04

Um I well, similarly to what you're saying, like I can hit my like I I can hit like a seven iron pretty much the same distance as my driver, and it's because I'm not good with my driver. So like yeah. I can't. I'm like short game, but look at how much we know about this because we've done it lots of times because there was something about it that drew us back. What's mediocre about that? Well, the best part of golf is right out.

SPEAKER_06

The best part of golf is not really golf, it's just like spending a day outside with your buddies. Like I would if I'm but that's part of it. Yeah, but that's part of it. That's nice. Yeah, that is part of it. And that part's not the same.

SPEAKER_03

I think Brent, you've made an argument that golf of the three of them is the best. The best golf is the best. So now we have to now we have to decide which one is the worst. Pickleball. And I love pickleball. No, I don't know. You're saying pickleball's the worst? It's the worst. No, between the three of them.

SPEAKER_04

There's more people, there's more people that would shit on pickleball than any of the other three games. There's a lot of people who understand.

SPEAKER_03

There are a lot of people who are not the old people I know.

SPEAKER_04

Right, but I'm saying for all of those each old person that love it, there's 30 Georges that think that it requires nothing. I didn't say I've played pickleball, and I'm not making the argument that it requires nothing.

SPEAKER_03

I'm just You said it it requires just amount enough to be mediocre to not be the worst.

SPEAKER_06

What I said was like guys who are playing in the World Cup would be a walk in the park to play pickleball. Like the guys who just played in the like NBA championships, those guys would easily could meet the athletic demands of pickleball. And yeah, but they would suck at it.

SPEAKER_03

They would get beat by the old people. Maybe they'd be able to get it.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, there's a there's a lot of nuance to it, you know, and then the more you get into it, the more fun it is. And uh we would never know if that's the case or not with curling because we won't get the chance to try it because it's so mediocre.

SPEAKER_06

I mean, you've definitely passed it around. You've definitely, Brent, you've definitely picked the least accessible sport. I'll give you that for sure. Like there's a lot of people, there's a lot of people who love and hate golf, and a lot of people who love and hate pickleball because they have access to it in some way. Right. Like if there was if there were like curling leagues like at every YMCA, people might have an opinion about curling. Maybe I'm making the argument that it's mediocre.

SPEAKER_07

I can't tell.

SPEAKER_06

I can't tell if it's if it's mediocre if it's just or if it's just unknown.

SPEAKER_04

I all I know is that at this point we're basically making the case of either curling or nobody gets inducted because I can't vote for pickleball in all in full consciousness. I just can't do it.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Is there is there is it I know we've never done this before, but is there a sport that is there a more mediocre sport that we've forgotten? Like, is bad mitten more is bad mitten more mediocre than curling? Like bad I like badminton. I think badminton's a fun game. It's a lot of fun. Uh and it's very accessible. It's pretty accessible. Um what what what other stuff would fall in mediocre? I mean, I would never say ping's the question. Ping pong is like a thrilling game. I love it.

SPEAKER_03

Sure, ping pong is pickleball. But you know, you're just you're on you're standing on the on the table.

SPEAKER_04

You know, but I think that almost George begs the question of like where does one draw the line for what is considered a sport? Because you were mentioning things earlier, and like, you know, some people might consider like like we count bowling as a sport. I think there's a lot of obese bowlers.

SPEAKER_06

I was thinking of both of bowling and of darts, like, because both of these uh both of these have tournaments that are on ESPN. They do.

SPEAKER_04

So like I think I think that that almost makes it a sport, but if you can do it without breaking a sweat, yeah, I don't know if I can call that a sport. Like chess, I certainly would never call chess a sport. That's a game. It's a game, yeah. That's not a sport.

SPEAKER_03

If you could do one of them while you're smashed, yeah. I don't know if it's a sport. Other than maybe softball, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, like fishing. A lot of people want to call that like a sport, you know?

SPEAKER_06

Well, there are if you watch some of these tournaments, some of these guys have like long battles where it does become kind of athletic, but I think in general, I wasn't considering fishing when you said sports. I wasn't considering I wasn't really thinking of esports because I think those are games too. Chess, I think, is a game. Darts and bowling, I would say, are games. I might like, are people breaking a sweat doing curling? And I don't mean because of because they're just they're slowly moving. I do think that it requires I do think that it requires some amount of coordination and athleticism. I mean, those arms go real fast when they're sweeping and they're on that that shit. Here, do that again, Brent.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, do that one more time.

SPEAKER_05

Sweeping. Yeah. Sweeping.

SPEAKER_03

That's oh, it's sweeping. Okay. I'll say I'm curling. I like to curl right before I go to sleep.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. I just feel like I feel like I get a deeper sleep that way. Uh I I mean, I'll vote in favor of curling being the most mediocre sport.

SPEAKER_03

I think that um my my personal relationship with Brent depends on me choosing curling. Yeah, you and me both. It's an unforgivable.

SPEAKER_04

No, I don't I I'm more of the opinion that something truly needs to earn its place in the hall of mediocrity. And if if if a category doesn't, you know, have one that that wins, then I respect the rules. You know, I'm not I'm not trying to force anybody's hand. If I haven't adequately convinced you, I think I wouldn't want you to throw a vote. Although I hope you can see that I do believe in what I'm selling right now. But uh I you know that doesn't mean that I think my my argument is is you know, dude.

SPEAKER_06

You should be one of these door-to-door like pest control people.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, you should be good at that. I think about that for Brent all the time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I did a uh I did a door-to-door thing whenever I was like 17 years old. Yeah. And uh I took like these orders from people, and then uh I forgot to it was a lot of the people that were on my block where I lived, and I forgot to bring them their orders. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I did that same thing. I swear the exact same thing, only I was 10.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I was still in high school in the later part of my high school. I don't think I ever door-to-door sales. I'm like, I'm bad at that sort of like sales communication.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, I don't I I would never do it again. I mean, I it was enough for me to learn just then that that was not gonna be for me.

SPEAKER_03

It's terrible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

That's the same reason that like I was always like when I waited tables, I was always like the worst, like I was always the worst server. I was very good at like paying attention to the tables and stuff, but like they would always uh the management would always be like, Well, you gotta be upselling. I would just be like, I would just be like, what do you guys want? And they would tell me what they wanted, and I'd be like, Great, we have all those things. I'll be right back with them, you know. Like they'd be like, You gotta upsell them when they get the apps, you gotta offer the drinks. We got the my first table waiting job was at TGI Fridays, and they were very like they went so you could have the flare. Yeah, you gotta have the flare. I had that fucking conversation. Like my manager set me down because we did have a we had a manual, and it said like in the manual, it was like 15 places, at least 15 pieces of flair. And I was like, okay, what do I have? 15 things. I put them on there. My manager set me down and had that exact like office space, like oh my god. George, you you only have 15 pieces of flair, and I'm like, Well, it's in the book, it says 15 in the book. So you actually lived that experience. But they were like, they were like, they were like, Look, we're really pushing the extra double cheesy bean dip this week. And I'm like, Oh, okay, well, I mean, I'll tell people that we have it, but then like if they don't want it, then they don't want it, right? Like, we gotta push it. I mean, Brian over here sold 18 of them just in one shot. Fucking Brian, he's got 32 things of flair. Well, if you want it to be 32, then make the minimum 32. I remember I glued a saxophone reed onto my TGI for a while. And my manager was like, and what is that? I was like, it's this oh man.

SPEAKER_03

The insight to Saxon Young George is great, is is almost as great as what old George is gonna be.

SPEAKER_06

Oh man, young George, young George is a little shit. Old George is gonna be awesome. Yeah, he is. Uh I'm comfortable inducting uh curling.

SPEAKER_03

I feel good about curling. Yeah. I beat up on curling, but it feels it's right. I think it's right.

SPEAKER_06

I don't hate curling, but I also don't love curling, and I think that that's I think that that I think there has to be the correct tension of like, I don't want to induct it because I don't hate it enough, and it's like, that's right.

SPEAKER_04

I feel just I feel just well there we go, then that's just the right amount of emotion to put it. I feel just kind of nothing about it. Perfect. Then I mean the the council of three has unanimously decided to induct uh curling as our our our latest member inductee into the hall of mediocrity.

SPEAKER_06

Well, I'll tell you, if a if something being athletic and just making you sweat makes it a sport, then this whole segment has been a sport to me. I'm I'm beat, you guys. I gotta take a break and hear a word from our sponsors. Yeah, take a break. Let's take a break. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back for more. Vito the podcast. Too many numbers. That was too many numbers. I'm sorry. Uh we're back. We're back. We got more veto the podcast loaded up for you guys. Uh my sippy cup is empty now, but I'm pretty hydrated. Um let's go back to the dice of destiny. It's uh it's gonna be me or Johnny. I'm gonna be one, two, and five. Johnny will be three, four, and six. That's a one, that's me. Uh guys, let's go give advice to people on the internet. Uh, because I actually had this advice loaded up, and then we started talking about golf. And so I want to bring it in here. Very so relevant, it's super relevant. So let me go over to my advice. Uh it's it's just the title of this one is just golf advice was shooting low 90s, and then all of a sudden started shooting in the hundreds again and can't seem to find that groove again. Any advice on how to get my score back into the low 90s? And I figured based on our conversation previously, that the three of us are probably the best uh people to figure out how to get them there.

SPEAKER_04

Uh yeah, well, I mean, I can tell him one piece of advice for sure. Like this, and this is a foolproof way, and it requires probably less practice than a lot of I mean, many, many other means of doing it. Uh so what you could look into, good sir, on the internet, is cheating. Cheating. Uh, if you actually mark down your scorecard with different results than what actually happened, your score, I mean, you can really kind of make it almost anything you want, you know. Uh at some point it becomes less believable.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

But I do recommend as a if you don't have a lot of time for practicing, yeah, but you want those scores down, uh, cheating. And uh that's done by people all the way up into the presidency. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

So like golf is one of those one of the one of a few sports where you just walk around with your own scorecard.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. It's a lot of honor system going on if you're not in like a strict tournament.

SPEAKER_06

You could very quickly be shooting back in the mid-low nineties.

SPEAKER_04

Very easily.

SPEAKER_06

Or below. Yeah, you could do even better, I would guess.

SPEAKER_03

What what I'm sure is just uh you said cheating is what he should do. I think he should just go back to cheating because that's how he was shooting in the 90s in the first place. And then he and then he got a big head, started thinking that he was good at golf. He was good enough to start writing the right score down. Yeah, to start doing the right score. And he wasn't ready yet. He wasn't he wasn't ready to go off cheating.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, wasn't ready to go off cheating, man. It is, if you think about it, not that much harder to write a 72 than it is to write a 92.

SPEAKER_03

Like That's true.

SPEAKER_06

Maybe even maybe even slightly easier. Depending on how you write your sevens.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, just kind of, you know, always write all your scores a little blurry. And so when you add them up, you just pick the the, you know. That looks like a three. That looks good. That looks good.

SPEAKER_06

Here's another here's another one that's in the same vein. Uh steroids. Oh. Because I think that like uh I've heard that those make you better at stuff. Didn't they just do the enhanced games? Did you guys have a few years?

SPEAKER_04

I was gonna say they they did, and I think that almost kind of disproved the theory that like largely the results weren't uh you know much improved. Like there was a couple of outliers, like that guy that swam a new uh record.

SPEAKER_06

But that guy that guy was famously not on any drugs. Like he entered to prove that he could still win. Like he was the only unenhanced person in that. So it kind of proved the like. Well, I don't know if we're talking about the same one.

SPEAKER_04

The guy, but the guy that I'm talking about was also wearing like a suit that is banned in other things because of like the way it repels water, so it reduces drag in a big way. But yeah, I mean, so I don't know. But yeah, it looked like maybe the steroids wouldn't work for this golfer guy. He might need more than that. More than steroids.

SPEAKER_03

But I you know what? Can it make you worse? I don't think so. I think I think the answer is always a little bit of steroids.

SPEAKER_06

What about peptides? Yeah, is what can we get some peptides in there? Are those better or worse than steroids? Let's get some peptides on this.

SPEAKER_04

I was thinking about like medicinal cocaine or something like that. You know, you get a little boost of energy.

SPEAKER_06

Could we make the argument that cocaine's a peptide? What does it mean?

SPEAKER_03

Or maybe this guy should should not start drinking until after he's done playing golf. But I don't know. I don't think that's a way to live. I don't think you can live, you know, if you're gonna play golf and not drink. I don't know. Yeah, what are you, some kind of pro? Yeah. Pro golf player? Take yourself very seriously.

SPEAKER_04

You could always just do like, you know, a second pre-workout, like I did that today and I don't even work out.

SPEAKER_06

Did you did you really? Do you drink pre-workout and not work out? Just for bus. Dude, that's crazy. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04

I just I like to feel itchy.

SPEAKER_06

So you know, dude, I got like pre-workout in the 90s was like the wildest like did you guys take it? Did you guys take any of the pre-workouts that existed in like the mid-90s?

SPEAKER_04

No, I I imagine that probably around 2003 would probably be the first time I would have ever had any.

SPEAKER_03

Dude, I was like never did.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. I I was like trying to be a gym guy, like in high school, college age, and they would come out with all these they'd come out with like some new pre-workout, and there'd be all these crazy testimonials, and then all these like 18 and 19-year-old guys would start using it, and then like six months later they'd be like, uh, this is banned because a bunch of people died, and it's also it's also it's made out of meth. Yeah, alleged apparently it's made out of meth.

SPEAKER_04

If you or someone you know has been injured in this, you may be entitled to competition.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, but you would like take a pre-workout and stay up for like five days just working out. Just working out. People are like, oh, I love the pump it gives me. It's like, yeah, man, because you're taking drugs. Like you're taking real ass drugs. So maybe don't take steroids. Take like, I don't know, take like fin fin or ephedra based shit. Go back to the 90s, go to a museum and get some 90s-based, some like mid-90s pre-workout. You're gonna crush it. There's no way you're gonna shoot anything above a 60. Solved.

SPEAKER_03

Enjoy the the PGA tour.

SPEAKER_04

So, in recap, the advice overall is cheat and do drugs.

SPEAKER_03

Cheat and do drugs and uh also work on your short game.

SPEAKER_04

Work on your short game. Work on your short game. That's important. That's important.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, who cares about it? Who cares about another 15 yards on your drive, right? If you just keep chipping it over the green, right? Am I right, guys? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Maybe maybe add one more club to the three clubs that you've been walking around with. Yeah, your six iron, nine iron, and a putter.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, we could have at any point said practice, but that's not on the podcast.

SPEAKER_03

That's not what this podcast is.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. No, he he he specifically wants to know how he can quickly get his yeah. Yeah, so practicing that takes time and dedication. That's not what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_03

If you want to do it, when I think of shortcuts, I think of cheating, cheating and drugs. I think really, I mean, I I think that can be distilled down to just about anything. Almost anything. I really think so.

SPEAKER_06

How can I become a better cello player? Cheating and drugs. How can I get divorced? Cheating and oh, yeah, that's right. That's actually a great one. How can I get divorced quickly? Cheating and drugs. Uh let's dole out some more advice where the answer could be uh cheating and drugs. So let's just hold that. Um I've been lying to my boyfriend and his family our whole relationship, and I don't know how to get out of it. Cheating and cheating and joking. No, no, no. Let's reserve our judgment. Okay, so for some context, I don't mean a lie that would ruin our relationship or make me seem like an absolute monster, but I told my boyfriend and his family that I don't eat beef because I like cows too much. For the last couple years of my life, I have shown an interest in cow properties. Print and cows in general. And it's just what most people notice and know about me is that I'm the girl obsessed with cows. But aside from that, I still eat beef. So here's the line of my boyfriend comes in. When we first started dating, I struggled with eating due to some stomach issues I was having. Okay. And one night I'm at my boyfriend's house and his mom made dinner and he told me to come to dinner. He told me it was roast beef. And if I'm being 100% honest, I just was not feeling roast beef that night and could not be bothered to eat anything. Also, knowing if I had to eat in front of them, I wouldn't have been able to finish my food and was scared I would come off as rude. So I just told him I don't eat beef or cows. And I'm so deep into this to the point where they cook more chicken and pork and always have chicken or pork options for me when they already have beef. My God, does some of the steaks and burgers she make look good? But I just don't know how to get myself out of this lie.

SPEAKER_04

I think this one's easier, isn't it? I mean, like, because people change their opinions over time. I mean, there are foods that I didn't used to like and that I do eat now. So you just tell them, you know, like, hey, you know what? I tried some beef the other day and uh I didn't used to care for it, but now it's it's kind of grown on me. I've been craving it more lately for some reason. Simple as that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, and I I think that um she mentions that she loves cows and that's what she's known for. And I think if you love something, you should love everything about inside you. Yes. Yes, you want it to become part of you. And so you know, she say, ah, I gave gave beef another another chance. And but then she can say, I only like steak. That's the only kind of beef that she enjoys. That way they will always make steak for her.

SPEAKER_06

Here's what I think. I think that she should be over um she should be over at like her boyfriend's, you know, folks' house uh one night when they have like a pork and chicken option, and she should just casually put the beef on her plate, right? And have a bite or two of it and be like this pork, this is the best I've ever had. Best pork I've ever had.

SPEAKER_05

Babe. That's the beef. Did you eat the beef? That's beef. This is beef. This is beef. Oh, that's what have I been missing? Why didn't anybody tell me? I thought you loved me. That's an amazing performance.

SPEAKER_04

George, you dare. I also like how his the end of his bit there sort of uh includes the victim reversal angles. Why didn't you tell me? Tell me, this is on you.

SPEAKER_05

Like yes.

SPEAKER_06

There you go. Uh and other than that, cheating in drugs, probably.

SPEAKER_07

Definitely.

SPEAKER_03

Cheating in drugs.

SPEAKER_06

Is there because we could really pull some clips out of this show? Uh and I will, don't worry. As soon as I remember how to do that. Um let's see. We'll fix it in post. But let's do one more. Let's do one more. Oh, there's so many good ones on here. How about this? My boyfriend isn't the best at a game we play and is mad when I try to help. How do I tell him I don't want to rank with him? Hi, I, 25F, and my boyfriend, 25M, play an online game together. He is wanting to start playing ranked with me, however, he is not good at this game. He's at the level where he can play ranked games now, so he wants to play with me. But the thing is, it ruins my gameplay. When I try to be nice and give him a tip or help him, when he's frustrated about an aspect of the gameplay, he gets annoyed with me and goes quiet because he's upset. And people in the game accuse of him being a bot and report him because he plays so bad. How do I tell him that I do not want to rank with him as it ruins my mood? And he, from a gameplay standpoint, is not ready to play ranked. How can I say this without hurting his feelings?

SPEAKER_07

Oh, you can't.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, there's there's no way. There's no way to do it. There's no amount of cheating or drugs that can get her through this.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. But I feel like we have the opportunity to really reach, to really work hard. Like. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, the closest I could really, you know, relate to this would be during COVID when we couldn't all see each other and everything. Uh, I'd I'd say one of my main social outlets was playing Apex Legends online with my friends. Uh, and usually I had the same people that I'd play with, but then I knew some others that I'd play with sometimes, and those others were much better than me. And it it was obvious to me whenever I'd played with them that I was holding their game back, you know, and like I had enough self-awareness to like sort of recognize that and just be like, hey, you know, we we can play together sometimes, not on ranked, and that's okay. But like, I'm not gonna try to crash in on their ranked games. But if I lacked that self-awareness, I don't think there's any way they're gonna be able to tell me at that point. She's not gonna be able to tell him and not hurt his feelings. Hey, babe, I'd love to play with you, but you suck. Like, there's just not a great way to say that, is there?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, or or if she could help him. Hmm.

SPEAKER_04

What about this?

SPEAKER_03

Find yes.

SPEAKER_04

Because someone's gotta want to learn to learn, and if she's maybe she has the the knowledge that could help him, but if he's not trying to hear it, then what are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_03

What they don't want to come in from her.

SPEAKER_06

What if uh what if you go really overboard with like um like what if you what if you go really hard at like wanting to do everything with him? Like, oh babe, you're going for a run? Uh yeah, I'll go for a run. Like stuff that you're not good at. Or like uh oh oh you're going to the gym, you're going to oh, you're going to the mo you're going to see a movie with your friends? Yeah, it sounds cool. I'll go with you. Like, I think that if you can try to do everything with your boyfriend, when it comes time to play video games, I think maybe he might want some time to himself. Like if you can make your boyfriend what I'm saying is make your boyfriend tired of you. Yeah. Or do something okay, that one doesn't seem to be landing. Maybe do something that he's really good at and be like, oh, I want to do that thing with you, babe. And then he'll have to he'll have to turn around and be like, but you're not good at that thing. And then you just really insist that you do it together.

SPEAKER_03

And then when he gets really frustrated, then you drop the bomb on him and say, This is how I feel when I play with you at rank.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know this game.

SPEAKER_04

You guys might be giving you know decent advice for like gaming, yeah, but I think maybe uh finding ways to incite arguments isn't the best relationship advice.

SPEAKER_06

I don't know what you mean. All right. Well, then what is the best relationship advice?

SPEAKER_04

I don't know. I'd say uh just stop playing the game. Give up on something you enjoy, do it for love. Do it for love. Oh, you gotta stop playing video games? Just quit. Yeah. Just yeah, just quit. Maybe otherwise you're gonna Or just break up with him. That's probably the easiest.

SPEAKER_03

I think that might be it. You have to break up with him. I mean, if he's so unaware of like what's going on, like he probably thinks he's killing it or something.

SPEAKER_04

Probably. It sounds like he'd kind of think that because if they're playing in so ranked, since Johnny's not as aware, like when you play the game, there's usually gonna be like, you know, different categories. A lot of games will rank them by like, you know, bronze, silver, gold, platinum, what diamond, whatever. And then there'll be like you'll be like bronze five, maybe if that starts you off there, and then you get better, and as you progress, you might get up to bronze two. But like you're gonna be attempted to rank with people in at least your vicinity so that it works kind of like you know, chess ratings, where like depending on if you win or lose, everyone's rating is gonna go up a little bit or down a little bit from there. And people that get into those things, it's a badge of honor for them that you want to get as high up in the ranks. It's it's absolute proof that you're better at the game than others. So like you can't, it's hard to not be aware if you if I know that I'm bronze five, I can see that if you're like silver two. I mean, the proof's right there. Like, I mean, I think it's pretty self-aware for him to be asking to play whenever she should just be able to be like, get up to my level and then we can play together. But I don't want to, I don't want to play with you. Then as a team, we're not as strong and I'm losing easier matches, which are more they that that's gonna take more off of my you know, points.

SPEAKER_03

So like so he's on her team, they're not playing against each other or right.

SPEAKER_06

He's wanting to play on her team, and she's like a gold medalist, and he's like at a on a high school team.

SPEAKER_04

He's yeah, barely, barely ranked, you know. So like it uh yeah, like it there's so if he's not unaware enough to where he's asking in the first place, there's not a way that you can tell him to not hurt his feelings. It's just I mean, it's yeah, there's just thinks, well, we should do it together, and he thinks, well, playing with you is gonna help level me up more, but it's not because they're not gonna win because of him. So like it's it's eh, it's tough.

SPEAKER_03

Can she start a different account so that he's not bringing down her account?

SPEAKER_04

Usually no. I mean, because you're usually gonna have it tied into whatever your login is for whatever game system you're using, so it's not really that easy. There are ways to do it, it's just not that it's just not that easy or common.

SPEAKER_03

She needs to put it put him through a boot camp.

SPEAKER_06

She's trying to be like, all right, every time every time, every look, every time she tries to give this guy advice, you gotta break up with this guy. He won't listen. Yeah, he's not worth it. It's not worth it.

SPEAKER_03

Because if he's like that with this, what's it gonna be like when it comes to the kids and and getting old? He's gonna want to wear speedo. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

When he's and he's gonna insist that he d does it, yeah. When he's 75. Uh okay, we all agree that they have to break up though, right? Break up. They gotta break up, yeah. There's work. Okay, we did good work. Uh we did good work in this segment. Uh okay, now one through six is gonna be. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_04

I say two through six will be Johnny. One is a re-roll. Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah, good. Fair. That's fair. That's a one. It's a re-roll.

SPEAKER_03

You know what? All right, yeah. I veto. I'm using my veto card. That counted.

SPEAKER_04

That counted. Oh man. I could have used some of those earlier. Oh shoot. Veto cards.

SPEAKER_06

I always forget about those veto cards. All right. We get someone in depth into the conversation. Okay, well then Johnny King. It's Johnny King. And now that Johnny, now that you're up, I hope you know that me and Brent are locked and loaded on our veto cards. We're ready. Oh no. I hope you got some backups. I hope you got backup. Devil's advocate backups to your vetoes.

SPEAKER_07

We need a release of veto.

SPEAKER_03

I think um vetoing for the for this. I'm sweeping, I'm curling, I'm vetoing. All over. So I um I I'm gonna call this little uh game or whatever it is, uh, I do not consent. And and when I think when I think about the podcast, I think about uh our whole premise of of veto cards and and um and so I I think about it out in the world when I'm around. I'm like, man, I wish I could play a veto card right now. And it often happens when I'm talking to somebody, uh I'm sure this has happened to you, where you've been accosted by uh it could be a a stranger or somebody you know or even somebody you love dearly, um where they have something that they feel very strong about and they really want to talk to you about, and they love it and are very excited, and it could not be any more boring on your end to talk about something.

SPEAKER_04

I know exactly what you mean.

SPEAKER_03

And it's very difficult to even pretend to be interested in it. So I'm gonna come up with a few. Um, I'm gonna pair them against each other, and we're gonna pick the worst one until we get to the end and we're gonna find out which of these is the worst. Or we're doing a bracket style. Bracket-ish. Okay. Not so much, it's gonna be it's just gonna be winner stays on the court situation.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and the and the winner is the worst scenario, you're saying, in this case. Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so we're we're picking the worst. And at the end, we're gonna have one thing that we are vetoing from the world for nobody can talk to another person about ever again. Yes. Unsolicited. It's okay if it's solicited, some of these things. Okay. All right. So we're gonna prepare. Uh if somebody comes up and they want to talk about um their kids or pets and they want to show you pictures and they want to tell you all about how their kids or pets are so great, would you rather have that conversation or have somebody who wants to tell you about the dream they had last night?

SPEAKER_04

Oh, that's an easy pick for me. I I mean, because like a lot of the time, even, yeah, it depends on the person telling any story, like on how engaging something is. But as a broad category, I don't usually mind people showing me the pictures of their their their you know, pets and kids and stuff like that. I find interest in that, uh, you know, a lot of the time. I mean, especially if it's people that I care about, you know, like knowing on what's going on in their life. But a dream that someone had, like, fuck me, man. Like, why don't we just start off the conversation by you telling me, hey, this didn't happen? Like that might as well be the first thing out of your mouth.

SPEAKER_06

Yes. Hey, this is a weird series of events that didn't happen. Here we go.

SPEAKER_03

And you're like, that's very important to me. But it's obviously so um important to them that they want to talk about it.

SPEAKER_04

And so it's it's very difficult to tell them that I have zero interest in the well, but and a lot of the time too, there's the people that just have to find meaning in those dreams, you know, like and I'm not saying there's no possible way that that could that there can ever be like some internal monologue that needs to be analyzed there. But you know, I I've made uh cracks at my wife many times over the fact that like she's gotten into periods where she'll be like, well, this was in my dream, and I looked it up and it says that seeing this in your dream means this. And I'm like, how do they know that? How do that like what do you what proof do you have that that like that can't oh well? Get like right up in your face, and you're just like, how do they know that? How do they know that? I saw cats in my dreams, and so seeing cats in your dreams means that there's something in your life that you're expecting. Why would it mean that? There's no what logical connection does that have. So yeah, for me, I'm very much on like I'm gonna have to vote that one that just like, man, like don't come up to me telling about your dreams. I don't care. Show me pictures to your pets and kids. Happy to see them most of the time, you know. But the other, no thanks.

SPEAKER_03

So dreams for Brent. What do you think, George?

SPEAKER_06

Uh, I mean, of the two, I'm probably gonna go dreams. I do kind of like hearing dreams sometimes, but I do agree that like I will tell like I'll tell Aaron my dream sometimes if I have like a crazy dream. But like as it's coming out of my mouth, I'm like, this is nothing. Like, this is nothing, you know. Like, I'm just like, and then I was walking down this crazy hallway, and and like, but like the but like it was long, it was so long. Like when I tell you it was long, it's like such a long time. Like you were there, but it wasn't- It wasn't you, like it was like the house I grew up in, but like not, and you're like, Okay, like the fuck are you talking about? And then you start, and then that's when uh this oh wait, what was it? You lose time. Yeah, well, it's funny because like I'll have like a crazy dream, and you'll wake like you'll wake up like feeling very intensely something, and just like makes you feel intensely something, and then you like you need to get it out. And like you try to say it and you're like, oh my god, I can't what what am I talking about? So I'm gonna agree with Brent. I think that it's gotta be dreams. It's gotta be dreams.

SPEAKER_03

It's funny because we we can see both sides of this one. Like you, you know, crazy dream. You want to talk about it, and and so every now and then I will tell Elizabeth, I'm like, hey, I'm gonna tell you about this dream, and I I will edit it uh in a way that I know I could just get it out in one sentence and then let it go. I don't expect her to say anything. It's like, here's this dumb dream I had.

SPEAKER_04

I know you don't want to hear about it, here it is, and then you ever had you ever had a significant other be angry with you for something you did in their dream? That's you have to break up with those people, I think.

SPEAKER_03

No, you don't break up with them. You marry them and have kids with them. Because it happens and it's it's funny. It does happen and it's real. And Elizabeth like like laughs about it, and and she's like, I know it's stupid, but I'm still mad at you. I'm like, I don't blame you.

SPEAKER_04

I I in those situations, like Heidi's not really much to do that, but I was in in previous relationships, they would be like that, and I'd be like, you know what? Well, I uh you do that's when you do the victim reversal thing, is like, no, I'm mad at you. You made me an asshole in your mind. Right? I didn't even think that was. Anyway, so dreams wins the category, I guess.

SPEAKER_03

All right, so now it's it's dreams versus um somebody who wants to tell you uh the plot of the movie or TV show or book that they're really into and they want to tell you all about it, even though you know you're never gonna read it or watch it. Yeah, versus and they're going through the whole thing with you because they're so excited about it.

SPEAKER_04

Right. Even though they know you haven't seen it, so you can't really connect with it.

SPEAKER_06

Yes, I th I feel like that's what do you think, Johnny? Seriously versus what uh versus dreams.

SPEAKER_03

Sorry. We're yeah, so dreams is dreams is staying on the board. I sorry I wasn't very clear about that. So we're not doing it. We're gonna run through the gauntlet. So save dreams. We're gonna go through the gauntlet. Um and so dreams, dreams versus somebody who wants to tell you the whole plot of a movie. What'd you say about it?

SPEAKER_04

I don't know. I might have to vote for the the the plot thing, just because the at least the dreams thing, you have the the benefit of that it tends to not last as long, you know, like because they're because they're nonsense. But like the plot, depending on if it's something, and then especially if it's something that like I think you've made clear to them that you're not you have no plans to watch, you know, especially a book. A book's real big on that because you people can't just expect you to read a thousand pages just because they are, but then so that's something that like they know you're not gonna check it out yourself, so they don't feel like they're gonna like spoil anything for you. So then they really go in on it, and those can drag on and on and on.

SPEAKER_03

And uh yeah, it's it's hard to keep coming back because later on they'll be like, oh, also this other thing happened. It's like, oh no, I thought we were over this.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I might have to vote on that one out of the two.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I probably have to vote on that one too. All right, I think it's also like the type of dream that somebody would tell you about is usually like there's it's usually like interesting in a weird way, and they can explain it pretty quickly because like you wake up and it's not like you remember like three hours worth of a dream. You remember that you were like, you know, playing pickleball with you know Saddam Hussein or something, and and you were there, but it wasn't you, it's always like that, right? Somebody was curling, they were sweeping the yeah, and it's always kind of like while cheating and doing drugs. Yeah, everybody was jacked, everybody was super jacked. But somehow, but for some reason you weren't jacked. You were there and you were the only one who wasn't jacked. But yeah, I agree with Britain. It's kind of like it's kind of it's kind of like a quick, like it's it's quick and absurd, and you can be like, wow, that's crazy. Like if somebody says if somebody says, if somebody comes up to you and says, Hey, let me tell you your dream, my dream, you know that like three to five minutes later, you're gonna say, Wow, that's crazy, and then you're gonna do something else. And and then that's it. There's not there's almost nothing that you say to somebody telling your dream you their dream uh except for like, wow, that's crazy. But yeah, like if it's a book, like how do you describe like if somebody was like, I just read the first Lord of the Rings, you like sit down, like take. Get comfortable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Get a drink. Get your sippy cup. Fill it up. What do you think? All right.

SPEAKER_06

Are we advancing? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

No, I I think I I I thought that dreams were were gonna kind of mow through this. But you I think you've convinced me it's the time thing.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And I I think that uh that, yeah, all right. I think that we've got that one's making an and on to the like what you have to understand is that like Butcher's like not a superhero, right?

SPEAKER_06

But like he wants to be, right? And then there's this compound V. Okay, hold on. So compound V, like you back up and it like makes you a superhero, but it's like not really, right? Like, so like that's how they make all the superheroes. Anyway, so Butcher, and he's got this guy, Frenchie, right? And Frenchie's whole thing. And right and Reddit has a theory. I was reading a Reddit. There's some Easter eggs.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, yeah, this is this is the worst. I hate it. All right, so uh so now we're gonna we're gonna pick uh describing a movie versus I I threw this one in because of something Brent said earlier, versus somebody talking about um their horoscope or their sign.

SPEAKER_06

Oh boy, I really hate that.

SPEAKER_04

Um so what's what's funny for me about this one is because like as a general category, I thought you were gonna say as a Capricorn. It's funny. As a category, it's not really it's it's definitely not something that appeals to me, but I don't often have somebody talking about that except for one person, and they're an interesting enough person that they could talk about kind of whatever, and I'm gonna find some interest just because they're you know good at at speaking. You know, it's like if someone being a good conversationalist can kind of outweigh all of regardless of the subject matter you're talking about. But you know, I still think that I gotta say, with that one, I I think it's gonna be a time thing for me. I think someone that wants to tell me about whatever's going on with their sign that it's gonna be more limited. Like, man, people that are on their show or book or movie, like they just they're just they're gonna keep going until something comes and breaks up that conversation.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Well, the response to somebody telling you about their horoscope is also the response to somebody telling you about their dream. Wow. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03

No, I I would say when when I was in LA, I had a lot of conversations where it would continue to come up each time to be like, oh yeah, it makes sense that you know this happened or or we get along the way we do because you're a Scorpio and I'm a blog. Oh, I hate that. I really hate that. And when they start just when they start explaining the world in a way that I would explain you know things scientifically and and when they're explaining it with a horoscope, uh I it's hard. It's hard for me. And and I try to be whenever I'm I'm with somebody, I I try to be a respectful listener and Right, yes. And I it's very difficult.

SPEAKER_04

Well so yeah, I mean which one are you voting for then?

SPEAKER_03

I yeah. Um I'm gonna mm you go on horoscope? I'm gonna go horoscope.

SPEAKER_06

I think that can be easily convinced. I think that like when you initially s when you initially teed it up, the what I was imagining was somebody being like, This is my horoscope today. But when you talk about because I also lived in LA for a little while, and there are a lot of horoscopes out in LA. A lot of people who are like, Well, it makes sense with a capital W. It makes sense that it makes sense that you and I get along so well because your moon's in Virgo, right? And you're like, why are you saying that so plainly? Like, why are you so seriously? So seriously. Like, are you making a joke right now? My moon's in Virgo. I don't like I don't have my crystals with me, I'm sorry. Yeah. I think that I'm gonna have to also vote horoscope because I think that that like I'm I I too I put too much like weight into like actual science of the like I don't know, like I my response to that always would be like, no, the reason that we get along is because is because I really enjoy people who aren't assholes and you're not an asshole, and that really works for me. And I don't know what time of day you were born, but like it's working out. I'm gonna go horoscope too.

SPEAKER_03

All right, what do you just what do you say, Brent? Horoscope it is, but yeah, horoscope.

SPEAKER_04

No, I'm you I'm sold on that.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

All right, so horoscope, so I've got a feeling like horoscope's gonna go the distance for me. I don't I don't know what else you've got teeth up, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Two more. I know. I I feel itchy in a weird place, like behind my knees.

SPEAKER_04

That might be from the uh pre-workout you took, though.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, from I feel it's she's like right in between and behind my eyes.

SPEAKER_05

Like, how do you screw this thing?

SPEAKER_03

All right. So horoscope is making it to the next round, and so it will be horoscope versus somebody who wants to excitedly tell you about their fantasy football team. And you are not in their league with them.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I will say this when it comes to people oversharing about their fantasy football team, that is one topic that I'm really good at getting out of. Like, I don't have a problem, like, because I feel like someone can't get super emotional about that. Other things, like even a show, if someone's really invested in it, it's like you you almost put kind of insert yourself into the story a little bit. So someone could take a lot more offense to being like, I don't give a shit about that show. Shut up. But if someone is about on about their fantasy football team, I've yet to have someone seem very offended when I'm like, dude, I don't care, man. Like that's not that's not even a real game. It's only in your own, it's only a game to you eight people and literally nobody else outside of that. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_06

You people. You people, you fantasy folk. Uh so are you are you voting? Which one are you are you giving your best?

SPEAKER_04

Oh, I'm saying that that doesn't really bother me because I can get out of that conversation easily. The horoscope one uh sticks a little harder, so uh I'd have to go with that one.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, man, horoscope's gonna go through for me.

SPEAKER_03

All right, horoscope for me also. Yeah. All right. For our final one, horoscope versus somebody who wants to eagerly tell you about their crypto wallet.

SPEAKER_06

Man. Oh wow, that's you found the only thing that could go up against horoscope. How'd you do it, Johnny? How did you do it? Speaking of things that aren't based on science. Yeah, right. Um, so what's your story there, George? What do you think? That's a really difficult one. That's really difficult. Um Wow.

SPEAKER_03

I feel like It also says a little bit about the person uh like the kind of person who will want to talk about crypto is a very different person than the kind of person that wants to talk about their their sign.

SPEAKER_06

There's like an overlap somewhere, and that overlap is just like I gotta stay away from that crowd. The overlaps between like the Venn diagram where that little slice, that little slice of people who have like a crypto wallet and fully bel but George, that same person also does CrossFit. So I don't know. I don't know if are we still doing CrossFit out there? This is a tough one, Johnny.

SPEAKER_04

Um and I feel like God dude, I mean honestly, I think I'm gonna be swayed onto the crypto thing myself. Uh I I think that that because at least with like signs and all that stuff, you could like kind of make a bit of like a a lore to it, if you will. Whereas like crypto is literally just all zeros and ones. I mean, like, what more boring subject matter? Like, could there be? The only thing people can possibly talk about is this appreciation of wealth, which may or may not be actually realized. I mean, I've I have for so many friends personally that thought they'd made some real gains in crypto. And I was like, are those realized gains? And they're like, yeah, absolutely. I've got it backed up right now onto a, you know, just like a US Treasury bond that I could pull out of, but then they go to try to do it and they're like, well, you wasn't able to extract my money. I'm like, because it's easy to scam people that way, man. It's like just so God, I just don't care as soon as someone starts talking about that. Man.

SPEAKER_03

I feel like in-I can at least find some kind of relationsh like re relatability with sign. I know I'm a Scorpio, so I at least have some baseline of I could have guessed you were a Scorpio giant. Understand me.

SPEAKER_06

I do think that like in general, I because I'm picturing like type of people, and I would definitely rather hang out with a person who's into horoscopes. Like just as a general than a crypto, bro. Yeah, just as a general thing. I just pictured like a vest. Like I just pictured the like I just pictured the vest and I was like, I immediately felt like a like a repulsion the repulsion. But it's very hard for me to you made the last round very hard. It's very hard for me to say that I'd rather listen to a very serious astrological conversation. I'm oh man. I feel I'm gonna go crypto. I I don't want to hear it. I don't really want to hear it.

SPEAKER_03

Alright. Crypto it is. I I agree.

SPEAKER_06

Like I'll say that I'll say too that I own some and I don't even want to s talk about it because I yeah, because I don't even want to hear myself say the word. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04

Like I mean, I I have owned some, like it kind of some it has at times been included in my stock portfolio, basically. But but yeah, it's it's it means you don't want to talk about it, right? No, I'm not gonna talk about it. No, no more than I want to talk about the S P 500. I don't care.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

I might cut I might cut this section out where we said that we that we had some crypto. Like I just saw much. Yeah. Yeah. Oh bad.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, in fact, can we veto ever talking about that? That was the point can we just do it? Can we just please save like veto anybody ever?

SPEAKER_03

Can we just take all of our extra veto cards that we have right now and just throw them in? Maybe the strength of all of them together. Yes.

SPEAKER_06

And and I think that we should be veto to the fifth power. We should be clear that it's okay to own crypto, but nobody wants to hear about it. Just shut the fuck the fuck out.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

We did it.

SPEAKER_03

We did it.

SPEAKER_06

Thanks, Johnny. You did maybe the most important work that we've ever done with this podcast. Yeah. I think so.

SPEAKER_03

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SPEAKER_04

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SPEAKER_06

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SPEAKER_03

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SPEAKER_04

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SPEAKER_01

You got a friend in me. If I'm the kind of friend in me, then it's true. I hope I have a friend in you. I'm feeling okay. Oh, oh right. Alright. When your face is clearly in my sight, I say, I hope it's true. I hope I have a friend in you. Oh we can walk in joy at the moon up above. We can skip to a death to provide totally platonic. You've got a friend in me. At least that's what you should do. And if it's true, I hope I have a friend in you. I hope I have a friend in you. I hope I have a friend in you.