Lessons from pets

- In this episode, we explore the quiet wisdom our animals carry and what it might mean to actually learn from them. From the dog who greets every morning like it's the best day of his life, to the cat who has mastered the art of setting boundaries, our pets model behaviors we often struggle to practice ourselves.

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SPEAKER_00 0:12

On the microphone, you got Amy and Lydia.

SPEAKER_01 0:17

We're back with another Thursday episode and always.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

We're back with this will be on the test. Will this be on the test? Some of it might. So make sure to grab a notebook and Because this will be on the test. Hello. So today we are talking about things you can learn from your pet. Yes. And the reason we're doing this episode is because one of our Keep going.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

No.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Um one of our OG listeners and one of our subscribers suggested it, I think, twice to me now, because she has a very cute dog. And the topic, did anybody say the topic? I feel like I'm all over the place. Um the topic is what you can learn from your dog. We From your pets. Yeah. We thought it would be kind of just a fun, fun episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Fun lighthearted. And definitely something you didn't learn in school. Definitely not. You had a pet enthusiast as a teacher.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Which very likely. Yeah. Well, anyway. Or a golden retriever-like type of teacher. Oh. You know those people who are like golden retrievers. Yeah, I know. Yeah, exactly. You know. I know. You know.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Um, okay. Starting with some would you rather. Yes. As per usual. Would you rather be able to understand your pet or have your pet understand you? So your pet can speak to you, or you can speak to your pet, but it's very clear that they do understand word for word what you're saying.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

No, I I've thought about this actually quite a lot.

unknown 1:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:58

I don't know why I've sometimes I go really deep into like these philosophical questions. And I would like my pet to be able to understand me because I'd love to be able to explain, like, hey, you did nothing wrong in that situation. That person was just being a dick. And like their dog should have been on a leash, or they shouldn't have approached you like that. And it's okay that you overreacted and I do not judge you. Or you can be like, hey, no, no, no, that that really doesn't work, and let me explain to you why. And you can really explain your reasons.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

That's a very teacher answer.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

And I feel like the other side, if you're able to understand your dog, you'd be like, Out. Outside. Let's go. Outside.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

I think it would be a nightmare to understand your pet.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

What are you what are you cooking? What are you cooking? What what are you cooking? Can I have some?

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Like mom? Mom's dog, when when she sees you, she'll do like a little squeaky noise, which is already like I love her, but it's already annoying. But imagine her if you can understand. Oh my god!

unknown 2:52

Oh my god! Oh my god!

SPEAKER_01 2:53

Oh my god! I think I agree. I don't think I'd want to know. I would want to know for a day.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Yeah, for a day I'd pick the being able to understand your dog. Because maybe it's much more intellectual than I think.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

But then Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

But do you want to know that? That's the thing. If he's like, what if your dog is like, I'm in a prison? Exactly. Let me go.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

I don't want to be here anymore. And you're like, I can't, because someone will take you and kill you.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

And you can't explain that to them because they don't understand you. Yeah, that would be sad.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

That would be really sad.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

Um But let's hope that's not the case. What if we misinterpreted the tail wagging all these years? And they're just miserable when they wag their tail.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

But this is like if you look at some dogs do wag their tail and it's like a sign of aggression. Oh. So a dog wagging his tail is not an invitation to actually go pet the dog. You have to know the dog, and there are different types of tail wagging. It's a good thing to know.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

It is a good thing to know. So we would both choose to have the pet understand us. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

Because also, can you imagine a life where you can't understand me? That would be trip.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

I mean, what? Would you rather never be able to own a pet or receive a random pet every five years? You're shaking your head. You don't want a random pet every five years? I know one of those years it would be a tarantula and I would have a heart attack.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

I've seen tarantulas in the wild. They're very interesting. If I had to have a tarantula in my house, I would cry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

Amy has a bit of a spiderphobia. Arachnophobia?

SPEAKER_00 4:33

Arachnophobia. I think it's getting better. Or if I had a horse, okay. Or a cow or a donkey or a python? Like just all these animals.

SPEAKER_01 4:43

How is that in the same level as a horse? Nobody can expensive. Just overwhelmed with any of them. And really expensive.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

A gecko? Hell yeah. Give me a gecko.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

Fish? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

Sure. Why not? Dogs, love. Cats.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

Is a horse see, is a horse a pet? It is, right? Yeah. But it because I was when I was It's not a house pet. Yeah, okay, but it still is a pet. Yeah. Okay. I mean. Is a pet anything that you pet?

SPEAKER_00 5:08

No, because some people are like, this lion's my pet.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

People have lions as pet. Yeah, that's that's Tiger Joe.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

Dumb.

SPEAKER_01 5:15

Tiger Joe? Is his name Tiger Joe?

SPEAKER_00 5:19

Quit saying it because Tiger Joe, Tiger Joe, Tiger Joe. Sure, yeah, his name is.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Nope. Tiger. Tiger John.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Tiger Joseph.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

Tiger Joe. Yeah, it's Tiger Joe. That was like on Netflix during COVID and stuff. It was Tigers. Yes. Um you would rather never own a pet. That would be really sad, but yeah. I think same. I think I would then just go help people take care of their pets. Yeah. Same. I would be like, I can be a dog sitter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

Well. What if like one year you get a cockroach? And that's your pet for five years.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

No, but you don't lose the other pets.

unknown 5:58

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

You accumulate the pets, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

No. No. No. Sorry, what was your answer? No. Oh, okay. Got it. Uh yeah, same. Oh my god, do you know how overwhelmed I would be? One year it's fish, and I'm like, I can take care of fish, and then a dog comes in and I'm like, oh no, there's they need fed and you need fed. Fuck.

SPEAKER_01 6:20

A fish and a dog, and you're overwhelmed.

SPEAKER_00 6:22

Yeah, exactly. And those are the two like manageable ones. Yeah, maybe not for you. Would you rather your dog narrate your day out loud or just give you a silent disapproving look every time you make a bad decision?

SPEAKER_01 6:38

So this is you take your dog to work. Yeah. Also. And he or she narrates. I love it. Um Are we assuming they have the intelligence that we think they have? So it wouldn't be like a human would narrate your day. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 6:55

Can you give an example of what level of intelligence?

SPEAKER_01 6:58

Like it wouldn't be, and now Amy's at her desk working on her computer. She's probably working on another sales because this is her job.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

Human staring at thing. Yeah. Clicking. Making loud noises.

SPEAKER_01 7:12

Yeah. And then when you eat mmm food, yum. Yum. I want some food. Mm-hmm. Human eating food. Kind of.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Wish I could eat that food. But human doesn't give me that food. Why human doesn't give me that food?

SPEAKER_01 7:25

That's what I would imagine I'd Okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

Sure. That one. Okay. I think that's more entertaining.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

Or they give you a silent disapproving look every time you make a bad decision. Some dogs do that already. Yeah. Like mom's dog that she had that sadly passed away, Annie. She had so much sass. She did.

unknown 7:43

Loved it.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

Yeah. She would she could give like the side eye, like the She would give a side eye and then walk out of the room.

SPEAKER_00 7:51

And it was like, wow, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

It was kind of interesting. I think, I think, if you know that it's a disapproving look when you make a bad decision, if you're aware that that's what's happening, that could be helpful.

SPEAKER_00 8:04

That's what I was thinking too. I think like you go into the kitchen and you get a tub of ice cream and you start eating out of the tub, and your dog just comes up to you and is like. Sometimes I think people need to be judged more in their life, actually.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

A little bit, yeah. And also, if you say you're in a bad relationship, your dog is the one who gets all the intricate details of the relationship. And if you're like, oh my god, I miss him so much, I have to call him.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

And your dog's like, girl. I'd love it. The dog could also be like, girl, no. Yeah, I'm going with a disapproving look. Me too. I think that would be entertaining. I think it would be good for my life. I don't want to say that out loud.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

Let's move on. So to get a lay of the land, what since we're talking about what you can learn from your pets, what pets have you owned or have you had in your home?

SPEAKER_00 9:12

Um, so we had two dogs growing up. Yes, Chuck and Lady. Great dogs. Um, we had a cat, Blackie. And then we had No comment. He was ferocious. He was there. He was there. He was He could be a very sweet cat at times. Um and then we had two other cats, Enzo and Parker. And towards the end of my living at home, mom got Annie. And now she has McKenna. And I've fostered dogs.

SPEAKER_01 9:48

In Mexico. In Mexico. It's the same for me, obviously. Plus the horse. Yeah. And I spent a lot of time with animals. Like my whole childhood was I spent at the barn whenever I could.

SPEAKER_00 10:01

We thought she might grow up to be a farmer. Which, no shame. I mean just guys.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

If you can listen to the podcast so that I can be a podcaster and own a mini farm, that would be my dream.

SPEAKER_00 10:12

She can name different types of cows. Yeah. I really like cows. That's a fun fact.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

Yeah. I spend a lot of time with cows and horses and donkeys and a little bit with goats, but they're not kind of my not my vibe, really.

SPEAKER_00 10:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Oh, also chickens.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

Chickens? Oh yeah, chickens. The school we went to, like the primary school that we went to at times in Switzerland, had chickens, and we had to take care of the chickens on the weekend. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:40

Which was really cool. It was really cool. He's not allowed to do it anymore, sadly, but that was really, really cool. Yeah. Um what do you think having a pet or different animals have taught you in life?

SPEAKER_00 10:52

Um Okay, this is one that like just came to me. Okay. But I think pets are good at showing their boundaries. Like I was just thinking of Blackie, and I remember he did not like to get pet when it was not on his terms.

SPEAKER_01 11:07

Yeah. I mean, cats are good at showing their boundaries.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Yeah. Cats are great at showing their boundaries. Like he would be like, no, back off. But then he would also come and he did like cuddles, but it was on his terms. Yeah. And I kind of appreciate that now looking back.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

Like that's I've never thought of it like that.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

Because we were a lot of kids. Yeah. So obviously he had to be like, you need to back off now. Yeah. But then occasionally he would come and be like, okay, now I'm ready. Would you say cat people are better at boundaries than dog people? No. No.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

So fast.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

I don't think any of us are really like I think that is a very human like thing that you need to learn to be good at. And I don't think I don't think that's one of the things that reflects from the type of pet you have.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:55

That would be the first thing that popped into my mind, not from my notes.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

That is that's a good one. I never thought of that. The first thing that I wrote down was patience. Especially with horseback riding. I started horseback riding in like this school where they had many different horses, and you just have to kind of go with the flow of their mood. They'll have such different moods. And one mood will be that they're bucking the whole lesson. And you just I mean, yes, you have to show them who's boss in a way or not, tolerate everything, set your boundaries. Yeah. But then you also kind of have to take them as they are and just be patient with them and teach them and teach them, show them that like the amount of things they the amount of times that you have to show a pet something until they learn it is just it takes a lot of patience.

SPEAKER_00 12:41

I think this also like I find this also with dogs, like when you're walking your dog and they just sniff at a bush and you're like, my God, oh come on. But if you can just like female is so adorable. Oh yeah, because they like get notifications and yeah. Like they're reading up on what happened in the town for the other dogs. But then if you can like relax into it and just enjoy the moment.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

I think Yeah, they teach you to live in the moment. That was gonna be my next point. Yeah. I think it goes kind of hand in hand of being patient, but then also when you're in that moment, just accept that you're in the moment and just be in that moment.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:17

And I think for me, dogs are the most obvious embodiment of like being in the moment.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

Yeah. I mean, but also like I'll go horseback riding regularly, and I know this is a very niche thing, but sometimes I'll be annoyed by my day and I'll let it out on her. Yeah. And then I'll realize like this is not fair. She has no idea what happened in my day. And that, and then also when learning to ride, and you'll learn this with any animal that you deal with, is that they're like very in the moment to the point that you can only give them a consequence right in that moment. Yeah. And you can't do it later on. Yeah. Which I think is so nice. And it's taught me also for teaching, like you can give the consequence, but then afterwards you just have to forget that it happened. Yeah. Because they're not going to remember anyway, so there's no use in being mad at them. Or that I think is very nice. It you can't become what's the word in English? Nochtragant.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

Um Is there an English word?

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Like Vengeful? Yeah. Yeah. Almost a little bit. You kind of have to forget the things that happened and just move on with your life. Spiteful. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's interesting with this is what I really learned with horseback riding, is that how much the animal mirrors your behavior, which is really interesting. Because I also give riding lessons sometimes with her, and how she'll like adjust to the rider in the saddle is really interesting. I think in that aspect, animals are more intelligent than we give them credit.

SPEAKER_00 14:41

I think so too. I think also like, okay, I'm talking about McKenna, but like she jumps up on people when she walks in or when people walk in and she gets really excited, but I don't like that. And she's kind of learnt that with me not to do that and to give me a little bit of space and then I'll call her over. Like she's still very excited, but I'm like, no, no, sit down. And she does sit down and like calm down, and I think that's quite nice. Of like they yeah, they adapt to each person.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

Yeah. Yeah, that is cool.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

Um, what else?

SPEAKER_01 15:12

Um, I learned consistency and like planning, but I think this is a little bit specific to the horse because it's very time intensive, a very time-intensive pet. And I can't manage it on my own.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

So I have to like organize different people to help and to ride her, also. And then also like there's the farrier and the vaccinations and everything, and that has to be done in a certain time. Like horseback riding is a very set in its ways with a lot of tradition. And since it came from a very privileged background, and it still is, I think it's like very rigid. And so the vaccination has to happen at a certain point, otherwise you can't compete. And like there's a lot of things that are very strict, which has helped me in certain aspects to become more organized, I think.

SPEAKER_00 16:00

I do think, like, I'm sure it's more strict with horses, but I think a lot of pet owners have this of just like I mean, if you have a dog, you can't go out every which hour of the day. Like, you have to be back, you have to be walking them, or you have to organize someone to walk them. You can't just go off on vacation, you have to organize for someone to take care of them, and preferably someone who's going to take care of them well. And like it's a responsibility that like you you need to learn these things and take care of them, take them to the vet, take them, get them vaccinated, get them chipped. Like, I'd I think maybe horseback riding is more extreme, but probably anyone who has a pet could relate to what you said.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

That's true, yeah. The last thing I learned from a pet is I mean, it goes into the patience a little bit, but it's just kindness. And so I know I'm bringing it up a lot, but this is like my pet. I've been horseback riding for since I was nine, so like 16 years now. And I had a really intense Czech riding teacher who was like, she was really good as a riding teacher, but it was just really intense. And you see a lot of people who are quite rough with the horses and like bordering on abusive. And so, since that's what I was taught, that's how I would ride, also, because I didn't know any better. I thought that's how one does. You were a nine-year-old, yeah. Yeah, I was a nine-year-old. And only like in the past few years, I've had different teachers who have taught me a way more gentle way, and it's so much nicer. And I can tell how she's so much more at ease, also, if I ride this way, and she kind of seems to enjoy it more. So I don't know. I f feel like I've come way further in a shorter time with kindness than I did with aggression. Not aggression, but just like force. Force.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Yeah. I think that's actually a really good lesson. And like one, yeah, you get more abuse with more views with honey, right? That's the but it is like it's tempting to because you're the one in control, to need to have that control. And I think also for me, like having that control means being forceful? Being forceful because almost scared of like I'm responsible for everything in the situation. But if you can trust them to trust you, like it's a much nicer experience for both of you.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

And you do have to build that a little bit. Like she would be used to my forceful reaction. And so it it took a while for her to realize, oh, okay, we're doing a new thing here. Yeah. And you kind of have to let that happen.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

And give yourself time to get used to it. Yeah. Because I think, yeah, you fall into these patterns, and it's nice to remind yourself that you can hold yourself accountable.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

Um, I have two more things.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

One thing that I think that pets do really well is they are really good at showing their love and affection.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:04

I kind of said this jokingly to you and Naomi last night, but like, depending on your dog when you come home from work, they're so excited that they like run to the door and they greet you. And I don't know. I just think it's nice to show that kind of love and affection, and sometimes sometimes we feel awkward. Mm-hmm. Like we're overdoing it, or that person's gonna feel awkward with us giving them appreciation.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

But a dog is never awkward about it. Like a dog is just excited. Yeah. And I don't know if I've ever been like, could you calm down? I'm not that amazing to a person. Where like it's kind of nice, you don't have to run to the door, but I mean, that's also a nice thing to do for your partner when they get there. Just like meet them at the door and like, oh, you're home. That is something to to be open and appreciative of those around you. I think dogs are really good at that. I'm guessing other pets are too. And this is one that Naomi said, actually, um, like learning how to deal with loss.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. She doesn't like that.

SPEAKER_00 20:05

It's very unfortunate that dogs don't get to be with us. Or like in general, pets have a shorter lifespan than we do. And so chances that you will have a pet and lose a pet are quite high, and yet we still decide to do it. And I think they're really good at teaching us loss. And I I mean, I remember losing Chuck, and that was like the first big loss.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

And it was just like it was crushing because he he was a part of our family. But then at the same time, we both had them since we were babies. Yeah. At the same time, you gotta like appreciate what they were. And yeah, it does I mean, we did an episode about grief, but it is kind of like this they're gone, but like there's still such a deep appreciation for Shock and Lady and Annie.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

And you know they're not gonna live as long, so you kind of appreciate them in a different way, which is also odd. Yeah. Like when he was they lived to like 14. 16. 16. Yeah. And so we knew that it was like when they were 12, we were like, okay, it's not not much longer. And you kind of appreciate them.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

I don't know how he lived to sixteen.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

Oh my god, he was such a fat dog.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

He was he was the best. He was such a lazy dog. Love that dog. Um Yeah, and I think I don't know, as a kid, that's it's a nice lesson to learn. And it does, yeah, it makes you appreciate things a little bit differently. Because I think loss is a part of life and pets are very gracious at showing us loss, I think. Um Yeah. If you have a pet, go and give 'em a cuddle and show them you love 'em. Or send us a picture of your pet. Yes. I don't have a dog right now. I want a dog.

SPEAKER_01 21:59

That would be cool.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

If you could send us a picture of your pet, please. Pictures of your cats. Any pets you have. I love most pets. Even if you have a tarantula, I'm fascinated by them. I would never have one, but sure. I think it's cool.

SPEAKER_01 22:13

Before we close out, we have one last very important question. Yes. So say the very godmother comes and she says, You can be a dog for today. And she turns you into a dog. What would a day as a dog look like for you? What would you be doing? Would you be out sniffing people's butts? Are you I definitely want to sniff a butt to figure out what that's about. Okay. That's going on your tombstone.

SPEAKER_00 22:38

That was like now we're also filming this, so that's a that's gonna be a clip version.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

Anyway. Without context, by the way, I'm just putting it on our Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

I definitely want to sniff a butt to figure out what that's all about. Um what about you? I need time to recover from that.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Um let's see. I would really like to see what a belly rub feels like because I feel like they enjoy it a lot. Like there's this one spot, it's probably like about here for us humans. It's like the Yeah, and they do the little foot thing, and um and I watch them and I'm like, this must feel amazing. Like I've never had that reaction to a back rub or anything. Yeah. So I I want to know what that feels like. I'd love to run. Oh, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

Just like they yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

I when I go for runs in the forest, sometimes the dogs will will start racing me. I'd love to do that.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:38

Just see people going for a run and race them. Yeah. That would be cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Oh what else? I think dogs also just have it kind of figured out. Like they just they pick a nice sunny spot, cats do this as well. And just like flop down. And they're like, I don't know if they're napping or if they're just being. I think it sometimes it looks just like a meditation.

SPEAKER_01 24:03

But they do need a lot of sleep, right? Don't they sleep like 14 hours or something?

SPEAKER_00 24:07

I have no idea, but probably.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

A lot. Anyway. Um I would like to carry a stick in my mouth. That seems fun.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

You can do that. No, you can do that now.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

I thought you were gonna give a different round of some buttons on your look you were giving me, I was like, oh no, oh no. Um this is a family-friendly process.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

It's not no, we swear so much.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

What else is there? I would like to bark.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

See what that's like.

SPEAKER_00 24:39

I'd like to go for a swim. That seems fun. Even plain fetch.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

So, okay, we'll wake up in the morning, we're going for a run. Yeah. And then we're gonna go sniff some butts.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

Then we go we go sniff all the butts.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Pick up a stick on our way, and then we are eating some human food.

unknown 25:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

I don't need to try dog food. I've done that. Then we take a nap in the sun. Then we take a nap in the sun, get a belly rub, get a belly rub, go for an afternoon swim. Yeah. Sounds like a good day as a human too.

unknown 25:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

Minus the smelling butts and the stick part. Well, so far, so good. Oh. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

Well, let's not get into that. Let's get into the funny stories. Shh. You tell yours first. Okay. Um, so my funny story is when we were kids, Micah, our brother, had a cat named Blackie. And this cat was an old black cat who he got he was like the neighborhood badass. He got all the female cats pregnant, and like he would come back with battle scars, but you know he fucked up the other cats. Um, and one day he was hiding under my bed and we couldn't get him out. And so I called my mom, I called Mike, and I was like, Blackie's under the bed, I can't get him out. And Mike is trying to like coax him out, and then my mom goes, like, I'm just gonna go grab him, and she grabs him and tries to pull him out, and she pulls out Which is a brave move. It is a brave move. She pulls out this black, fuzzy tail, and she's like, Oh my god, his tail fell off. And she looked at Micah and she's like, We have to put this cat down, we have to put him out of his misery. And we're all standing there, and it's quite a sad moment. But she was also like, This cat has to die. This cat is dead, this cat needs to go.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

Maybe love her to death, but maybe mom was like, Yes.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

Also, fucking mean yes. Fucking mean yet. He scratched all my kids multiple times, and she was like, He's he's dead. Look at this, Micah. It's his tail, he's gonna die. And Micah was just devastated because this was like his pet. And then I was standing behind them and looking at the tail and they were going back and forth about how we need to murder this cat now. Um and I go, Hey guys, I think that's my horsies. Because I had like these miniature horses, and one of them, the tail fell off, and as a kid, you don't clean your room, you shove everything under your Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:16

And it looked like a cat. It did.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

Um, so yeah. The cat ended up living for another few years. I don't know how. Oh yeah, and he ended up dying by being his tail was stepped on by a horse and it had complications and he had to be put back down. So full circle.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

Full circle. I mean that's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

That is interesting. Someone put that into the universe. Mom mom manifested that you don't believe in manifestation, like careful what you ask for. It was quite funny for me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

I have a different funny story now.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

Okay. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

Um, when we were growing up, we had these two dogs, Chuck and Lady, and they were in love.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

They were adorable.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

They were really cute. They have puppies. And sometimes they would break out. Break out. Sometimes they would like escape and then they would go on walks together. And it happened a few times in a row that I would have to like I would see them from the classroom going for a walk, and then I would tell my teacher, hey, my dogs have escaped. Can I bring them home real quick? And it went it happened so often that he got mad. He was like, Tell your parents to fix the fence that you cannot go and get those dogs again. But they would they wouldn't do anything wrong. They would just and they would walk together. It was the cutest thing. Just the two of them next to each other. Just experiencing the town. It was like an old married couple.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

It was so cute. That's cute. So cuddle your pets. Cuddle your pets. And remember to be in the moment, I would say. Yes. And as always, don't be an asshole.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

Don't be an asshole.