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How to stay close with your siblings
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This episode we talk about how to stay close to your siblings as adults, what it actually takes, and why it is worth it.
We get interrupted by swiss church bells, as we share some genuinely good advice, and finish off with two sibling stories that we are equally proud of and embarrassed by. Give it a listen with your favorite sibling!
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What's up, Amy Judas?
SPEAKER_02On the microphone, you've got Amy and Lydia. Woo woo!
unknownWe're back.
SPEAKER_01Another Thursday episode as always.
SPEAKER_02We're back with this will be on the test. Will this be on the test? Some of it might.
SPEAKER_01I mean, like this in case. So make sure to grab a notebook and because this will be on the test. Alrighty then.
SPEAKER_03What a start.
SPEAKER_01Oh. I didn't realize we were recording on it.
SPEAKER_03Yep, that's staying in. Hello.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, uh, we thought we'd choose a like a sibling-based chit-chat, since that's very topical for today.
SPEAKER_02Yes, and we're choosing not one of our siblings. Um, so the other day I was hanging out with Sharon, who's a very good friend of mine, who also happens to be Tarek's sister. And she said something like, I want babies around me. She doesn't want kids of her own. And so I suggested she go hang out with our sister to like hang out with her kids. And she's like, No, like I have friends that have babies, but I want babies that are related to me.
SPEAKER_03And since I'm a girl, I was like, Well, you might have to tell your brother that he needs to find a new girlfriend if that's what you want. Because while I'm not opposed, I'm not ready.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Also, what a subtle way to bring that up.
SPEAKER_03It was a very like it was such a roundabout way. Um, but it made me think of when none of our siblings had kids yet, and how we like we pushed. We were like, you guys need to have kids soon because we all had baby fever, but none of us were ready.
SPEAKER_01There was no pressure from our parents for any of us to have kids, but from us for the old guys. There was a lot of pressure.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, sorry about that.
SPEAKER_03Not pressure, just excitement.
SPEAKER_01Expices. I don't mean a bread.
SPEAKER_02So let's talk about siblings today.
SPEAKER_01Would you rather live next to your sibling? So your neighbors, but you don't really get along. Or you live five hours away from your siblings, or sibling, whatever, and you guys get along really well.
SPEAKER_02Five hours away. Like I I enjoy getting along with my siblings. What's the point of living next to them if you don't get along? Then you can grow the relationship. But if you don't get along, do you want to grow the relationship? Like just because you're siblings, if you don't get along, then like you don't get along. But maybe you don't get along because you haven't seen each other that much. Maybe you don't get along because you have fundamentally different beliefs.
SPEAKER_01Maybe, but maybe not. Maybe not, but I think five hours is a long time.
SPEAKER_02You live like two hours away and we see each other quite regularly.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but that's because we have the podcast. We wouldn't start a podcast if it was five hours away from each other.
SPEAKER_02Probably not. I don't know. I lived in Mexico for two years. We managed to have a relationship still. I think five hours is a good like that's not too far. Like five hours by car, I'm assuming. Five hours in the plane is a different story.
SPEAKER_01Five hours by car is what I was thinking. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Five hours by plane. That's that's more difficult for me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. But I still think like no distance is too much.
SPEAKER_02Exactly.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02What would you pick?
SPEAKER_01I mean, same. I just wanted to be devil side to play devil's head because. You just want to be a difficult person. Would you rather so much fun if we both agree right away?
SPEAKER_02Well then the next question is easy for me to answer.
SPEAKER_01This is a tough one.
SPEAKER_02Would you rather be an only child or have five siblings?
SPEAKER_01Why is it easy to answer?
SPEAKER_02Because you're being rude right now.
SPEAKER_01We have five siblings, guys, so I thought it would be funny to add this question.
SPEAKER_02Um would you rather have five si or be an only child or have twelve siblings?
SPEAKER_04Yikes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think we gotta. Because like for most people, five siblings is the equivalent to what 12 siblings would be for us, I think. Yeah. Like that just seems like a lot of people. You don't even fit in the car anymore.
SPEAKER_01No, we don't. We don't fit around a dance dinner table, to be quite frank. Like we have to have at Christmas, we literally we have two dinner tables and then we divvy up.
SPEAKER_02Yep. Um we put all the ones we don't like on one day.
SPEAKER_01Twelve is a lot. Twelve is a lot. I don't know. Twelve is too many. Would you be an only child then?
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_01No, right?
SPEAKER_02No, I think I would choose a twelve.
SPEAKER_01It's so hard to imagine being an only child when coming from such a big family.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I think adding more. Like I already can't remember everybody's birthday.
SPEAKER_01And then like six more. You won't hang out with all of them, probably.
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Fine, give me twelve, that's fine. Why not?
SPEAKER_02Why not?
SPEAKER_01A bit more than double. That's fine.
SPEAKER_02Um, would you rather be the oldest? The youngest? Or the middle child? And can you explain why? Um because you are the youngest.
SPEAKER_01I am the youngest. I don't know. Sometimes I think I would like to be a middle child. Because like I feel the middle child is brave.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01And I'm not. Who's the middle child for you? I mean, classic middle child, Naomi and Ian. Okay. They're like your typical middle child.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_01No? I mean, yes, you are technically the middle child, and so is Micah. Yeah. But I feel like those two, they're like smack dab in the middle, and they are a typical middle child. Like they did stupid shit as a teenager. They just did wreak the most havoc.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, but they grew out of it for the most part. Yeah. And I feel like they're down to try a lot of stuff, which is pretty cool.
SPEAKER_02You don't think you are? This is an interesting analysis. This is not how I would see a middle child. How do you see a middle child? I mean. Or like I wouldn't see you as not brave.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02I think that's why it's surprising me.
SPEAKER_01Okay. That's interesting.
SPEAKER_02Anyway. Go on. So you would be a middle child?
SPEAKER_01I think so. I think I'd either stay the youngest. Because the youngest is pretty nice, I'm not gonna lie. Um, or I'd be a middle child.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Wouldn't want to be the oldest.
SPEAKER_02When people meet you, do they like do they assume no youngest, oldest, or middle middleest?
SPEAKER_01Middleest? I don't think so. Okay.
SPEAKER_02I often get assumed to be the oldest.
SPEAKER_01Really? Yeah. No, I've never gotten that. The oldest I've never gotten. I don't think. No. I've never gotten any kind of assumption. Really? No.
SPEAKER_02I feel like, yeah, no, oftentimes. I also like to assume it about other people.
SPEAKER_01Do you feel like you give older? Well, because you kind of are, in a way. I feel like, hear me out. Because because we're all like really close to each other in age, you guys. And then I'm I have a gap.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And so, like, to me, in a way, you were also the oldest, but then all of you guys were.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So you gotta practice that role a little bit.
SPEAKER_02That's true. That's a confusing way to look at it.
SPEAKER_01A little.
SPEAKER_02But I think this is like in most family, there is an oldest, a youngest, and a middle child.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And so like Micah and I are just like, we're the second oldest and the second youngest. Yeah. And I don't really know what that role ended off. Because like, yeah, the oldest is like the responsible helps take care of. The youngest is like the spoiled one. The middle is just like the kind of got away with a lot of stuff because they were the middle child, so like they wasn't as strict as the oldest, but not as lenient as the youngest, and like maybe were more of the rebellions. And then Mike and I, I don't know where we fit in there. Because I agree that we're not like typical middle children. I don't feel like I'm a typical youngest child either. No. Or a typical oldest child.
SPEAKER_01So what would you be though if you could choose?
SPEAKER_03I just want to be one. I don't care. Just give me a role. I just want to have a title.
SPEAKER_01Okay, I now beseech you middle child.
SPEAKER_03Sure. Sure. Why not?
SPEAKER_01Would you rather be oldest?
SPEAKER_03No, for a while I wanted to be the youngest.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, sorry about that. I'm reading that for you.
SPEAKER_02No, I'm glad I'm not the youngest. I'm glad I'm not the young. Oh, oldest. I'm glad I'm not a middle child, too. Like I like my role. Of like a little bit of middle child, a little bit of youngest child. Yeah, it's fine. It's a good role.
SPEAKER_01It is nice.
SPEAKER_02I keep it.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_01Moving on! Okay, um, I found a Reddit post on this topic.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01Somebody wrote in, how do you the title is How do you stay close to your siblings as you age? Or how does your relationship with them change over time? More specifically, what if you and what if you and your siblings have pretty different personalities? Not that you hate each other, but just that if you were strangers, you probably wouldn't be friends. I think this is a really good question.
SPEAKER_02It is a really good question. I love your answer because I don't get along with any of my siblings.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Like I think they're all kind of dish bags.
SPEAKER_01Trust me, we know. Uh no, we get along with each other. But that being said, why you guys like we all have come from the same two people. We're not, we're all like biologically, we come from the same parents.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_01And then you would kind of think that you would be more similar than we are.
SPEAKER_02Not just the biological part. We were all raised by the same two adults.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02One adult.
unknownOne nose.
SPEAKER_01Um, yeah, but we have really different personalities. I mean, some of us are similar, and then some not at all, and in some ways we're similar, and in some not at all. And that I think as you grow older or as you grow up is kind of weird to realize.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Like you share a nose, but sometimes that's the the extent of it.
SPEAKER_01Sometimes you've got a conversation, you're like, do we share anything else? We are fundamentally different people. Um so my advice is start a podcast with your sipping, and that'll be fine.
SPEAKER_02Or not.
SPEAKER_03Or not even the light room. It either works or it doesn't.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um, my first advice was to share trauma.
SPEAKER_01Also works. No, but in all seriousness, I think when you're little, you like usually or typically you'll live with a sibling, but even not, if not, you are kind of forced to spend time with them on occasions. And so that's how like you grow the relationship just by circumstance, because you're at the same in the same place. And just because you got along as a kid doesn't mean that you will automatically get along as an adult, and vice versa, if you didn't get along as a kid, maybe you get along as an adult. Yeah. And I think with time you kind of have to start to treat it like a friendship instead of a sibling.
SPEAKER_02I think, yeah. I think the the most difficult phase is from teenager into adult. And I think there it really has to be both parties want to keep a relationship. Yeah. And you have to stop seeing each other as the youngest, the oldest, the middle. Like you can still see it like that, but if Mia were now to still act like the oldest all the time, it would be hard to have a relationship with her because now we're just adults. Yeah. And like, yes, she's older than me, but I have friends her age. I have friends your age. Like it it's not as big a difference anymore. Yeah. And like I think that's a big thing to like accept the person in the new adult phase.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you kind of have to redefine who they are to you, and they have to redefine their roles also.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And I think that's I mean, it's also kind of a fun phase to go through and like see and really discover yourself. Yes. And I also think there are some siblings that like they are very close, and personally, I also think it's okay if you're not that close to your siblings. Like it can happen, and it can also happen that like maybe you have fundamentally different beliefs. And if it is like if we were strangers, we wouldn't get along. I don't necessarily think because you share biology that it's something you have to force. No. It's nice to be like nice to each other and cordial. And like when you go to events together, like you're cool. I think that would be something I highly strive for if you're if you don't have a relationship right now.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02To just like start small and see if it blossoms, and if not, fine. That's also okay. Like there are friendships that are just as strong. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, I think so too. I think just because you're born into the same family, you don't have to be best friends.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But you will be forced into I mean, forced is such a strong word, but you will end up in situations where you spend time together. Yeah. So it is important that you get along well enough that you can stand each other in the same room.
SPEAKER_02That is true. Just a disclaimer, it's seven o'clock. I feel like these church bells are gonna be going on for a long time.
SPEAKER_01Should we pause?
SPEAKER_02I don't know. It's gonna be like 15 minutes. I think we just church bells in the background because we are in Switzerland.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um, I also wrote down that I think when you're an adult, this is also surprising with like friendships. A lot of the friendships you'll make, like you'll develop in school or like with your hobbies, and so you just see these people automatically, and then as an adult, certain like all of a sudden you don't see them every day, or you don't see them just because, and then I think it's important to develop a system for yourself so that you can still see those friends. Um, since I'm really bad at texting, I try to, whenever I see my friend, I plan the next time we're gonna see each other. Because I know if I leave it up to me texting them, I mean we're not gonna see each other for a few months. Yeah. But just figure out for you how you want to do that and treat sibling relationships like friendships.
SPEAKER_02I think at the end of the day, that is what it's like. It's like having a primary school friend that lasts through it, and like maybe a little bit deeper because you've seen each other go through everything. Yeah. But this also goes into my next part. Like, you know everything about each other, but you don't. And I think that's also like it's a good thing to remember that, like, you know everything about your sibling because you grew up together, but you don't actually know everything about them.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And that can make the relationship really nice because you gotta like figure out more about this person. But if you assume you know everything, it can also be a little bit like like you're not growing together.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So I think it's nice to remember you do, but you don't.
SPEAKER_01And you also have to be open to them changing. It's kind of like what you talked about with the rules before. Yeah. Like, yes, once upon a time I was a seven-year-old, but now I'm not. Or once upon a time I was a little girl, but now you you have to accept that I'm an adult. And if you can't do that, I think from my side, it's also fair if I'm like, I don't enjoy being treated as a kid, I'm gonna distance myself. Yeah. I think you also, when it comes to siblings or family in general, if they're not respecting your boundaries, it's okay to take a step back.
SPEAKER_02Nice. This was gonna be my next piece of advice too, and I didn't know how to say it, but I think it's like with every friendship, it's a two-way street. Yeah. But there are some friendships where I maybe give a little bit more or take a little bit more.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And I think with siblings, it's one of those relationships that I feel at least, it has to be quite mutual.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And quite a lot of like willing to accept the person where they are at this moment. Yeah. Because otherwise, because you have so much history. Like, if you don't accept me how I am, if you see me how I was before, like I've changed and I don't maybe want to be seen that way anymore because I don't feel like that. And then like, yeah, it has to be a it gets to be a mutual growth. It gets to be, yeah. And that's the beautiful part about siblingship, is you get to like meet your sibling over and over again.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's very cute. It's true, yeah. And you have to be willing to do that, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Also, and I think, yeah, if you see it as a chance, like it's also I mean, the same thing happens with friends, it's just maybe not as impactful because sometimes with siblings, like, if they're doing better than you, and you're like, we're doing like we had the exact same upbringing, we have the exact same. Two years difference, or three years difference, or five years difference. How are you doing this so much better than I am? Yeah, and it's hard, and like you gotta let go of that a little bit and be like, Yeah, they are still a fundamentally different person than I am, yeah. And even though we share these key things, like their life has been very different than mine.
SPEAKER_01And also, you were raised by the same people, but you didn't experience the same parents, yeah. Like our parents had favorites, no, sorry, like, but ever all the parents they also develop, right? So you get a different set of parents when you're two years old than your sibling gets when they're two years old. So you were raised in the same house, but you weren't raised the same. Yeah, and it shows sometimes when we in the family will talk about certain things that I had a completely different experience than somebody else in the family. And so, how could you end up the same, or how could you then compare yourself to the other person?
SPEAKER_02And I think even like with relationships to your siblings, yeah, like every sibling has a unique relationship to every sibling, so you can't even compare those relationships because like it's all just very even though it's all familiar, it's all very different, and I think that's a nice thing to remember, is like, but also part of the tough parts of being close with your siblings is sometimes I think we're also a competitive family, so sometimes like the competition is still there a little bit, and these bells are so loud and so annoying. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um should we pause?
SPEAKER_01We did have to pause.
SPEAKER_03We had such a Swiss moment. I mean, you can hear it in the episode.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, for sure. The bells go on for 15 minutes, 15 full minutes, and then after 15 minutes, they do like a slow fade out. Like we don't know that they're gonna stop.
SPEAKER_03So we just like glared at the window. Like, enough.
SPEAKER_01Already 16 minutes actually, in the end, they were ringing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Um, so if you're not from Switzerland, thanks for listening. And that's what Swiss spells sound like on a Saturday evening.
SPEAKER_01To mark the end of the work week or something, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And this is how you build your sibling relationship is you do annoying things together.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And you gossip. And then while we were pausing, we discussed how we should end, like, how we should end the advice part. And we kind of, or you came to this good conclusion, actually. That like you can you can only maintain a sibling relationship if both parties are interested in maintaining it. I thought that was good advice. If you feel like you're the only one putting effort in, then maybe it's not meant to be, or maybe it's not meant to be right now. Yeah. And you take a step back, and then maybe at some point they'll be ready. And you'll be ready.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I think it yeah, because we were saying that's like that's how it's different than friendships, because there are some friendships where I give more or where I take more. And sometimes it changes, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes that's just how that relationship is. And with siblings, that's much like I think it needs to be a much stricter balance in order for it to work long term. And what you just said makes a lot of sense. Like sometimes it also like it's just not meant to be right now. Yeah. And maybe when you're both parents and you both have kids, that's what you can bond over. Yeah. And like you want your kids to be close, so you want to be close with your sibling. Like, there are phases in life where you might be closer with your siblings and phases in life where it might be more difficult.
SPEAKER_01I also think like this is a little specific, but I think a lot of people, specifically in their early 20s, are just so like getting used to how adult life is that sometimes they're overwhelmed with that that they don't really have time for their siblings or they don't realize yet how valuable that relationship is.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So just like giving them time to kind of grow or grow up in a sense, um, and not maybe maybe not thinking at that point, oh well, we just don't get along as adults, but just give it time and maybe try again in a few years.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because most 20 year olds don't like most 20 year olds are super trying to figure themselves out. So yeah. So what would you do if you didn't like your sibling's significant other? Um I feel like that's difficult.
SPEAKER_01I think it depends. If it's just they rub me the wrong way, but they treat them nicely and everything. Everything, then it's fine, then I suck it up.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But if it's um they disrespect my sibling, then I my personality is more that I will say something and risk the relationship that we have rather than not saying anything. I think I would tell my sibling at some point, like this person is sketchy, or I like they give up weird vibes, or when they did that and that, that was so disrespectful to you, and I don't like seeing that happen. Yeah. I would say something, I think. Okay. What about you?
SPEAKER_02I think ideally I would say something, but I'd probably discuss it with like other siblings first and be like, is this just me? Because if it's just me, then I won't say anything. Yeah. And that's the benefit of having multiple siblings is I don't have to rely on just what I feel. Yeah. And then yeah, I probably like I probably would say something. And I don't know if I'd yeah, it it's a shame. You don't want to risk the relationship, but at the same time, like I mean, right now all our uh siblings-in-law are like I get along with them. Yeah. But like those are also going to be uncles and aunts to your kids. Yeah. And like presumably if you're close with your siblings, your kids are going to like grow up with them as well.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And so it's a it's an interesting dilemma to be in. But I think honestly, there, like if you don't want to can send your kids to somebody overnight, that's totally your decision. Yeah. And there, I don't think anybody like I understand if it hurts in a way, but my opinion is it's just too important that I trust my gut when it comes to my kids. Yeah. Um, I do think if you talk, like if you get weird vibes from your sibling's partner, or if you think they're not like it's a dangerous situation. Um, I think you can tell your sibling, I mean, it can and maybe should, but it's very important to let them know that you are there for them. Yeah. And even if they're pissed at you and they break off the relationship because they're so in love, and then maybe they realize later, like, that you make it very clear that you are behind them, and if they ever change their mind about this person, like you are there for them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Now that you said that, I think I would only bring it up if it really was like a a really bad or like uh they're getting screamed at or they're screaming at the kids or something like that. If it's just someone I don't like, I might just shut up.
SPEAKER_01No, no, if it's someone I don't like, I don't think I'd say anything.
SPEAKER_02Even if it's like I don't like the way they're treating my sibling, if they seem to have a good relationship, I might just shut my mouth because it's not my relationship and it's not my place.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it depends. Yeah. But then like we're pretty close. If the conversation opens and you're like, so how do you like them? I don't think I would be one to be like, oh, they're great.
SPEAKER_02No, I wouldn't lie, but I might like I I probably wouldn't. Like, I don't know, sometimes, you know, it's you only see a glimpse of the relationship and I have strong opinions, and that doesn't have to be true for their relationships. And so I might just be like, I might say, like, I don't see us getting a beer anytime together, but I see that you guys like each other, and like that's good, I want you to be happy. Yeah. So I might say something like that that is like less about their significant other. Off topic. Anyway, what's the homework for today?
SPEAKER_01Um so the homework is if you have a sibling who you would like to reach out to, do so. Make plans with them to hang out. And if it's not a sibling, I think a lot of people have friends who are close as close as a sibling, make plans with them. Just hang out with somebody that's important to you that feels like family.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01That's it. And then we can go right into our funny stories. We can. Do you want to start?
SPEAKER_02Sure. Um so for a few years I was pranking Ian and it started because we were both at home, and he likes to get pranked, I think. Yes.
SPEAKER_01And well, first of April, you guys. First of April, yeah.
SPEAKER_02It was always on the first of April. And the first year it was just kind of like I was I had too much time on my hands, I don't know why. And I wrapped his entire room in uh like packaging paper. Yeah. And mom just thought it was hilarious. So I think that's what really like it wasn't his reaction necessarily, it was her reaction that kept it going. Yeah, she thought it was so funny, and he thought it was funny too. And then I pranked him with a box of brownies, where I just wrote, like, I cut out E from brown paper and had Micah bring it to him.
SPEAKER_01Nice.
SPEAKER_02And then I pranked him with um, I had his roommate make him a coffee.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because as it at this point he was expecting something.
SPEAKER_02He was, but he was at college, yeah, and I was at home, so he didn't know like the brownies he already kind of expected. Um, and I had his roommate make him a coffee and put salt in it, and like I didn't know his roommate. It was a very random text, and then he wrote, like, uh, you got me.
SPEAKER_03And then I texted his girlfriend and had her also make him a coffee and put salt in it. And she was like, We're in the middle of a fight, but I got you.
SPEAKER_01Nice.
SPEAKER_03And then I put balloons in his car. He totally knew about that one, like he saw me blowing up the balloons. Um, he pranked me, I think that year too, but like on the 3rd of April, he put water glasses in front of my door, but I could hear him pouring the water at like 10 o'clock at night, and it made me really need to pee, but I didn't want to ruin his prank.
SPEAKER_02That's cute. And then the cream of the crop was Oh, this was the best. He was building his startup, and it was like a new concept here in Switzerland, and so I built a website for the exact same concept and made it look like as if you paid like 50 bucks for the domain. I paid 50 bucks for the domain.
SPEAKER_03I built a website like 10 years ago. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I feel like that's impressive. Very impressive. Um, and then I had his university mentor send it to him because she was like mentoring him on this startup, and I was like, if you could sell it. I also told her, like, if this is inappropriate, I'm really sorry. And like I explained the situation to her, and I was like, if this is at all inappropriate or will put my brother in a bad light, please delete this email. And like, it's just his stupid little sister. But she sold it.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god, I was there for the call, it was amazing.
SPEAKER_02She sent him an email and then called him and was like, How did you not see this? You your competitors already opened, you're behind. And he checked the website and he was freaking out, but like I built one of the buttons to lead to the Rick Roll song. And I thought he would just like eventually press like book now.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. And he never did. And I was like, What if you just press this button? And he it was the best prank.
SPEAKER_02I had to.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that was you stopped with that one.
SPEAKER_02I didn't do that when I came back two years ago from Mexico to like see Mia's new baby. Um, we were having breakfast or brunch, and I gave him a piece of paper that said happy first of April, and then was like, Hey, do you want me to make you breakfast?
SPEAKER_03And he wouldn't let me touch his point when I didn't do anything, and he was like, That's the only time you gotta do that. I was like, I know, but I'm like, I I need to retire after this. And that stuff I feel like you have to have a very close relationship in order for this to work well. And um, I mean he got me back, he did some pranks, they were good. The mini pigs one still devastates me.
SPEAKER_02What he had an actual farmer who has mini pigs text me pictures of mini pigs for an entire day and asking like where I want them delivered and when I want them delivered.
SPEAKER_03And I knew it was a prank, so I was like, Yeah, you can deliver them to Bahnhofstrasse, blah blah blah. And then what was more devastating is it was an actual person, like it was an actual pig farmer. But Ian was like, My sister loves mini pigs, can you prank her and just like send her all these pictures? And I thought it was just like a friend of Ian's. I was like, oh no, I can't believe I was so rude to just like this random farmer. And I was like, I know you know my brother, stop texting like this. Oh no, poor guy. Sorry, that was a long story, but yes, I pranked Ian for five years in a row.
SPEAKER_02Nice, and then retired and like pranking. Let's go retire. Not everybody likes pranks. Just gonna put that out there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02You gotta know the relationship.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um, I have a short story. So I'm the youngest, and I'm the youngest by far. I'm more over five years younger than Amy. I'm like five and a half years younger than Amy.
SPEAKER_02Yes, which actually makes me the middle child.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Because age-wise, I am smack dab in the middle. True.
SPEAKER_01Amy is the actual middle child, true. I am the mathematical middle child. Mathematical middle child. I'm 12 years younger than the oldest. And so I was just always a lot, and I'm small. I'm I was always a lot smaller and weaker than everybody else, and like on in a hand-to-hand combat, which could happen at times. I did not stand a chance. So I developed a technique. And uh Yara siblings. No, no, me too, apparently. Oh really?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I didn't know it.
SPEAKER_01So I thought, well, I can't beat them at hand-to-hand combat. I need weapons. And so my weapons were pens. Um, and so I would take pens and I would stick them in my my pants, like in the the belt loop of my pants. Is that what it's called? Like the lining of my pants? I would stick them in, kind of like a cowgirl, because um our dad watched a lot of western movies. I think that's where I got it from.
SPEAKER_02Oh, you don't remember?
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_02But I used to have duels, you and I. We would have pen duels where we would stand back to back and take six steps and then turn around and try to throw pens at each other.
SPEAKER_03Oh, was it from I think it was from that because then it like grew into like we would let anger out that way. But you like so you I think we started it together. Like you would come down when you were angry and like, because we would have one pen on each side, like the Western guys did, because dad used to watch one pen every hour.
SPEAKER_00I would have like my pants would be full of pens. And I would turn them and in my head it was like and I would take out my pens and I would throw them at Amy. And then after I had thrown the pens at me, it was like, you have to clean up your mess, otherwise mom would be mad. And then I would go clean up the pens.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it was hilarious. I don't know if anyone can picture like a little seven-year-old blonde hair, blue eyes, like walking up like she's a cowboy, and just like throwing ten pens at a time, hoping one will hit you. Yeah. And if it did, it was like it was a pen.
SPEAKER_01And it was a five-year-old throwing a pen.
SPEAKER_03It was a five-year-old throwing a pen, or a seven-year-old throwing a pen. So, like, even if it hit you, I think once one hit me in the face, and I was like, I mean, that kind of hurt.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. But it was a good way to get your energy out. And um and afterwards I had to go pick up the pens, which then kind of calmed me down. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So a few weeks ago in an episode, we mentioned that Lydia and I had a fight. Maybe we should have just started throwing pens at him. Maybe this is the solution. Nowadays it would hurt. Nowadays it might hurt. Like we'd have to stand further apart.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Kind of down to try.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_01Well, if I listen in next week, maybe maybe we have one eye less. Who knows? Don't be an asshole.
SPEAKER_02Mighty or share this with your sibling even better. Oh, yeah, that is better.