Runes and Other Love Languages. S2:E10

Today we talk Runes, rituals and sigils! Gudrid, Karlsefni and the rest of the Greenlander Vikings have loaded their boats and are setting sail for Vinland. Their material preparations made, we take a minute to discuss the spiritual, perhaps even magical, efforts that go along on their adventure. Enjoy!

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Yeah. Okay. Alright, love you. Bye. Okay, so he says the doctor wants to see her tomorrow. I don't have a pen to write down. One o'clock tomorrow. Help me remember that. I'll text it to you. Okay, thank you. Um. And then they're holding a date in June for uh of something plasty. Oh. Okay. I mean that'll help with the pain, but so will morphine. Right? You said one o'clock? One o'clock. Pick them up at one o'clock. Yeah. Pick up um. Not on my pen. The kitty might be on my pen after. Okay, I just sent it to you. Okay. So anyway, do we want to go back and start? Thank you. Do we want to go back and start? Well, what did you look into? We No, because I I I've been thinking a lot about that. I looked into the uh rituals that they would have done just before they left. That's cool. But then I also looked into the cool Kiggle, K-I-G-I-L, the knitting uh runes into things the sigils. I roted that, which is cool. Let's to let's go there. Okay. One navigation tool that I got rabbit hole in was an astrolab. Oh the reason why it's mentioned in these is because at the end of the saga, when Carl Stephanie and Gudrud are in Norway, a man wants to buy what they're describing as a decorative part of his boat. But in the footnote, it says that there's speculation that it's an astrolab. So it's a tool. Because I did a heart. It's a tool. It thinks for tapop stars. I guess. So if I do thumbs up, does it do thumbs up? Um it's a tool that blends astrology, astronomy, and astrology together that they would navigate with. So kind of along what you're saying. So tell me what was that for nightline navigation or what was that for? Tell us about it. It's it's both. It's like a disc, and then they got more elaborate. Um it's attributed to a oh sorry, I keep doing that. It's a trip Wow. It's like that one um podcast with the guy who was the kitty cat. Oh, he didn't know how to take the kitty cat filter off his page. Oh, I love that one. So um, yeah, so it's attributed to I think Arabia or somewhere when it was first invented, but you can use the notches in the dial, and then there's gears and things too. The very, very first kind of rudimentary where you could line it up with a star and it'd calculate from the horizon, and then take in a it's pretty complicated. I it's like eight pages of trying to describe how you would use it. Oh. But um, and then you can navigate. You can navigate on have a good picture. I mean, they weren't messing around because they were navigating, you know, getting to the Hebrides from Iceland is horrendous. Like the fact that they were able to do all that stuff. And if you miss it, then you end up in who knows where, North Pole somewhere. Yeah. So so yeah, there's I mean, there's a whole, I'm sure. So an astrolab, that must have been from Persia. Yes, and then kind of a precursor to the um, it's the word we all know. The precursor to the not scepter. The other instrument that we all know better. Oh yeah. That one that one. Um, I don't know. But anyway, it was cool. So I just am amazed that that people could again, I'm always just amazed that any group of people on any part of the planet can get in a boat and feel like they are off to go far. That's my point, and like bringing up the fact of where they actually we think they actually went. It's so much more than just the four-day out. And the fact that nothing was written down. They were sort of like leave no trace, they would burn their settlements and then they'd go away. But but your point is interesting in that they weren't, they weren't. I think the reason they had a hard time with the indigenous people is you're right, they're not there to trade. They weren't there to bring back wares to sell in Norway. They were there to settle, which is a whole different animal. Settle, and if they were, they did the things they wanted to bring back were natural resources. It wasn't stuff from these tribes. And I think probably that's they didn't see them as having anything really that they wanted, I I from the sagas. Right? Yeah, or it was gonna be too difficult to to get I mean they got five, I think. But basically they just gave them milk and fabrics, nothing really valuable. Yeah. Um so it's different and these are it's not like they're bump bumpkin vikings that don't know how to trade. I mean, Carl Stephanie is a world-renowned merchant and trader. Yeah. And he didn't establish so it must have been really hostile and more violent than what the sagas are saying, maybe. I think so, based on I think it was almost, you know, these the in and we'll get to it, I guess, but the indigenous peoples were used to people coming to trade, maybe people they didn't even know. Um but they weren't used to their if they didn't know about axes, then their type of warfare would would have been completely different. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Or or the Viking people just bugged them. And maybe I mean it was Freyda's. And they were these kind of arrogant. I I've been reading when we get there, um what she did does hearken a little bit to some of their belief systems of their end of the world where women start acting like beasts for the indigenous tribes. Oh, so what she did was freaking. Yeah. Okay, we better get we better get our boats on the water headed that way. So people catch up with what we're talking about. Okay, so last time we talked about the navigational gifts of women. Um, do you have any thoughts on the runes um that they would have armed themselves with? You thought I'd never ask. Do you have any thoughts on runes, Sarah? I have so many thoughts on runes. Yes. Yes. I mean, to put them on a boat. Um, just a little bit about runes. The book I'm reading is uh the more I learn about runes, the more I let myself we read the weirder, more heavy books about it. Downstairs. Um, where's my book? Anyway, um I always had a problem with runes because you have, you know, runes are it's the runic alphabet, you could say, staves. Um it's an alphabet, and someday we'll go more into it. But and then some people really believe that it was just a form of communication. Some people will say no, it's very magical. Um and then when you read just about world history, and I always had a problem, like, oh my gosh, well, you have to separate it out. Like, I don't want to be the weirdo who's getting all magical with these letters, and I don't want to be the I don't know, whatever, the square peg who wants to take these as just letters and not attribute anything magical to them. And then that's my You're running with an entirely different crowd than most people who are not worried about that's my 2026. Yeah, that's my that's my modern girl thinking. Like I have an alpha, we have an alphabet, and I'm not making it magical, although you can, but you have to create words out of it. You have to spell words to make a spell. But these these runes are each letter or stave is uh so then when you think of world history and you read about any part of the world and go back far enough and take religion in or out of it, magic is just something that was that existed. So of course, everything cooking had magic, hunting had magic, birthing, I mean, health had everything had magic. So of course, why wouldn't these their letters, their alphabet, have magic as well? Yeah, because we're working with matter to to make things. And then you add to that that this actual particular religion and culture, I'll say culture too, the Norse has uh Odin, God, who who has his most important scripture or whatever, is um his sacrificing himself hanging upside down for nine days, and the thing he got out of that were runes. Like his reward wasn't resurrection, it wasn't all, you know, whatever other religion wasn't enlightenment, wasn't for the Norse religion, the reward for sacrificing yourself was he took up the runes. So the runes themselves all automatically in this culture are more than just an alphabet or a letter, right? Yeah, and you think about the Christian culture in the beginning was the word, you know, for a Christian culture. So he his quest was for the parts of the words that together make things happen. Like, you know. Yes. Well, then that's what I then I got this book, which is um I told you before, it's it's a couple different is that amulets? Runic amulets and magic. Okay, because amulets were important. Okay. Yeah, so that's where you're having the blending of using the runes on items to do magic or to bless or to like we're gonna talk, to wish good luck, right? Or to protect. Um, and then you have runes, a whole other side of it. This book when reading, which gets more into like your actual doing magic with runes and her, she gets pretty, she's pretty occult-y, like she's getting in, she's blending all of them. She's interesting. Um so yeah, so the when they would write, so if you were a Viking person, you would know your runes maybe enough, probably where you wouldn't be uh not a thrall. What's the what's the guy that what are the rune ah, hold on. There's a word for someone who's expert at the runes. Oh, not the guard garder. No, that's the voice person. Ah. Anyway, there's a name for someone who's an expert at the runes. It's an actual skill or craft. And those are you could hire them to write your runes, but also common people would know them enough to write them to communicate or to write love poems. And then you occasionally will find runes written that are maybe have an extra letter in them, or maybe repeat themselves, or maybe have three dots after them to go back three three staves to repeat that. Like there's different combinations of how runes and those are what they are think and believe, depending on who you're talking to, where the magical part came into runes. So then the um healing part and the uh cursing part. You can curse people with runes. There's different runes, so each rune has there's 24 elder foothark, and those are the ones more associated with magic. Then you have um the younger Futhark, which was more changed to I think actual just pure communication in your Anglo-Saxon Ruth arcs, which people will want to have be both, depending on where you go with your magical journey. But um, the elder Futhark, um, the very first one is Fehu. Fehu, the shape of it is like an F, so F, Fehu, but Fehu itself means cow or cattle, and then you get into that more, and that means wealth, or there's a whole part that it could mean. Um there's read ho, which looks like an R. So we A, that's sounds like an R, looks like an R. And it means travel, but and so that's probably what they would put on their boat, right? But um it means travel in your to the first furthest of your ability. It's so so like if you were getting a new job or something, or if you're deciding to make a decision, you could use Raid Ho to as an answer to as a yes answer. Go take take that new job, take that, do that new thing to the best of your ability kind of thing. It's like a um uh algae's looks like uh like me, my it's um I could draw these out, maybe I will. Um is like protection. So it's they would definitely have that on their boat. A lot of people had those sigiled into the above their of their door. It's divine protection. So they're just all the way through you get into um hogglies. It's like hail, which means crap happens you can't control, you know, you can give your props, uh just so many that are just awesome, and then you can bind them together as well. So you could have like Tiwas is an arrow, straight up arrow, and it means kind of promotion, um, respect. It's it's based off the god Tear, who was the just the really moral good god, you know. He's the one that had his hand bitten off by um the wolf because he was so true to oh yeah. He's the one that shows up in a lot of the um decorations and yes, he's the burial stuff. Okay, yeah, very loved. And he's the upright arrow, and you can use that rune and then combine it maybe with your radio. You could take the the downward part of the arrow and turn it back into your R, which means like even more blessing for your, and then you could have the algae's protection, and again, pronunciation I'm terrible at all. But um so you could have protection on your travel within your best ability, right? And then you could put that on your boat, and here you are, you're blessed with. And I love the idea of intention. So another way I think about magic is setting an intention to matter or something like that, where with these runes, these bind runes, you're taking these concepts and traditions and and you're sealing them together for one intention or one purpose. Which and I had to be careful with the word bind, because when you get into the occult witchy stuff, oh binding has a whole other meaning, right? You're binding okay. So is that why we like the word sigil or kilt? The new word I learned. I don't know enough of sigil and what was she talking about? Sigil. Yeah, it was um it seems like a similar concept where you're taking um different symbology, but putting them together to serve as a and then embedding them on fibers or anything really, right? Papers, people will do a sigil on a paper. And for, you know, if we were gonna do it, you could write the word like love and love and then overlay it with Bob or you know, or um I don't know, whether she wants to do it and write it over and over and over until it becomes a certain design on a paper, and then you could burn the paper and then that releases the spell or whatever. Like letters and words are have are powerful, yeah, in more than just the sense of a sword and a pen, or a pen is mightier than a sword idea. It's actual magic being done with letters and words, and so the binding, a bind rune, kind of going back to what we were talking about with Groa and that poem Incantation, where she's unbinding. Is that right? She's unbinding. Um, this is the one where she, and I don't want to, I I know you keep going, but yeah, she sh what she's doing is she's um she's so she goes through all the things she wants to protect her son from, like if threatening streams the danger of death shall bring, um hell shall turn, and before the waters shall fail thee, or um if fetters, which means binds, perchance bind thy bending limbs, over thy thighs do I chant a loosening charm, and the lock is burst from the limbs and the feathers fall from the feet. If storms on the sea have might unknown to man, yet never shall wind or wave do harm, and calm is the course of thy boat. So she's as a mother is just sort of like if you're bound as to a purse or anything, I've already unbinding you. Yes. And fetter is a really important word in this. Um, like there's a rune called Thoraz, and it's sh it's a line, and it has like a triangle to the side of it. Looks like a thorn of a rose or Thor's hammer, and it is a it is um one of the most like the Christian faith tried to get rid of it. It was so they renamed it demon. Like they were so afraid of it. Really? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Wow. And it does mean like chaos or the power you, if you were gonna curse somebody, you would use that maybe to fetter them, right? To bind them and fetter, and you would combine it with some other rune. Um, or you could just use it many times. And the unfettering part is the next, very next rune in the the line on Sioux, which is kind of God's power, and it's it's a straight line with lines coming down, almost like an antenna, old time antenna. And it's communication and it's breath, and it's but it's unfettered whatever bind rune. So in this poem, she's unfettering, she's using kind of the breath and the word of God to protect her son, which is cool. So anyway, that word fetter is kind of a which if you okay, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Because yeah. Never mind. Yeah, I just love that. So this is what if they're preparing for the like we were talking about, you brought up last time that even though now you're a hardcore Christian, are you really gonna let go of these things? A, you know, people are still cursing people using this power. So why not? If you knew the protection of the power, yeah. If you knew that some people really believed it, maybe it worked, and you knew what to do to protect. Yourself from it just in case it really does work. Why wouldn't you just scratch that on your boat or on your sword? And again, naming something was really important and possessing something was really important. So a lot of the artifacts they find are this is a sword. It belongs to Sigurd. Going to daycare or something. Yeah. But I think in naming them and writing like this, this is my dagger or whatever, is a kind of a magical thing as well. Well, and isn't in one of the runes it talks about setting intentions and setting which I don't know which you know better than I do, but it talks about being mindful in your life and not being um doing actions that have no you're not you're doing it just to be silly or foolish. You have a reason for you're setting your intentions the way you would set your navigational course or set your sails or you know, reckoning. Again, I think of Udrid and how that's a complement. So there's a couple I could think of that would then maybe that would be a bind rune. You know, you'd want your protection. There's one that is joy, um, there's one that is um kind of a rebirth, like uh it's the U tree. Um there just just it's I think that's the other thing is that it can be personal in what rune speaks to you and what you want to use, what they would want to use, you know, and this is such a interesting take on you know you look at the printing press and how you know religion was not in the hands of the the common people, but once they had the words in their own hands, they couldn't and someone gave them the ability to interpret them and use them and to divine things in their own life or whatever. It's the same way they're using the rune system, where in an individual person on a ship, whether he's a king or not, he can, you know, set intentions up. He can set, you know, influence the fates, he can, you know, influence the winds, yeah or discern the winds, or you know, uh I just like the reminder that you know the power isn't, you know, everyone can have it. Right. And that's how words set you free in a lot of ways. Yeah, and it's so cool to think that that idea that of anyone can be free. Um, because the Elder Futhark or these runes are way before the Spiking time. Yeah, and they're finding a relationship between them and even um runes down in or writings in like we were talking about ancient Mesopotamia, yeah. Or whatever. Yeah. So that this individual practice is not just a newly invented thing. It's been around. So when you think of these ancient cavemen or caved whatever, they were having, I like to think we're having deep moments. And again, like we talked about with our colonial women, did they have moments in the field smelling the air, the sun on their face, the breeze? Like, did they have these moments? And absolutely yes, you know, and did they have tools to be in touch with the bigger thing? And absolutely yes, you know, so it's just it's yeah, yeah. It's just it is when you bring that up, it's so um the symbology and using symbols as signifiers is you'll find it in every culture, you'll find it a billion years ago. This and you'll find it in yourself when you reach for a stick at the beach, just so you can put something there, or you know, and um that's probably our first language is humans, is symbology and things that signify thoughts and feelings, and you want to tell somebody and you're you reminded remind yourself and yeah, and then to then the trans the transition from that to okay, well then let's have it be magical or let's put it to bigger use is natural magic or magic or the symbol. Magic, right? Yes, magic would be the the void, yeah, the symbol pulled out of it, maybe yeah. I mean I think about Odin hanging upside down, just wanting something to come out of that well, um wanting knowledge, wanting wisdom, wanting to know. And the thing the symbols that came out have they're pretty complex, like there's a lot, they're pretty philosophical. You could match them to any, you know, Persian text or Greek or anybody like that. Um the order of them, and then there's three sets of eight. So either within the eight, there's something going on there, and then when you have two that are inner four that are interchangeable, and why are they interchangeable? Like why just those four are they interchangeable and they're pretty important ones. It's just the interest of it's just interesting that this is more than just an alphabet, and it's yeah. And that we know about it. Um we're learning more about it from funeral practices. From that's the only way we can get them, really, is from burial practices and you know, and the more we learn, the more we understand that they were having the same conversations we are, you know, and they were humans and what to do with mom. Yeah, I feel sad about mom. I feel sad about mom. Yeah, yeah, it's just to for whatever you want to think about that. Are we evolving or are we not evolving? The concerns of today are very much like concerns of thousands of years ago, too. Um so I can so talking about I don't know, I can tell you what they would have done on that. Yeah, I would love it. Okay. Um, so the the ship is packed. Um Viking is this dumb? Am I wrecking our mojo? I love it. Go with it. This is the Vikings engaged in rituals designed to secure the favor of the gods, appease local land spirits, and ward off the chaotic chaotic forces of the sea. One last thing I want to say about how cool it a pantheon of gods is, a pantheon of runes versus one god to turn to, one scripture that has to be read to you in a Latin or something. I'm just comparing the two. Is that there's a you have choices, like you have individuals, they you know, there's there's more resources. So anyway, I think that's cool. Yeah, just like you can make any word with an alphabet, you can make any religious experience with this this set of runes. Yeah. Yeah. So keep going, this is cool. Okay. Um sorry, I keep getting all these act ranged from communal sacrifices, so they would do sacrifices, um, to protective symbols card directly into their ships, which again, that's the runes, that's the protective symbols that you're you're doing. The most critical ritual was the blot or the sacrifice. Um, and they still do it today. If you watch these reenactments, they do it. Um offerings were frequently made to Nord, which is the god, an ancient, even before the Vanir, right? Or no, he was Vanyer. He was he was one of the early, he's Freya's yeah, was he Vanyer or was he a uh seer? I don't know, but he he's like the ocean god, right? Because then his he's the father of Odin and the three, right? Oh, that's right. He's important, yes. Because then out of him comes a trinity of sorts. That's yeah. So he's very important. You don't go anywhere without making offerings, it just recognize we know your your partner. He's the god of the sea and the wind, and um also Agar, which is the giant who personifies the ocean power. So you're recognizing right there, that tells you they recognize the danger, they recognized they could do everything they tried with sails and stuff, but they were not going to be in control. And then they would sacrifice animals like horses, dogs, and oxen slaughtered, their blood was sprinkled on the ship's hole, and participants to seal a bond of protection. So almost like an animism almost. Yeah. Yeah. It would have been a messy sight. It would have been, you would have your pretty boat, your best traveling clothes on, and then you're gonna. But sled was always involved in their. I don't know how they got it off their clothes. Um then there's of course there is a feast. Um, the meat was boiled and eaten in a communal feast where toasts were raised to Odin for victory and frere for prosperity in the new land. Um the Dessir, which we've talked about, the collective of powerful female servants who served as the ultimate guardians of the families, luck, destiny, and survival were going along. So your family guardians, personal guardians were going with you. Um, while gods like Thor Odin were distant and dealt with the cosmos, the Deseer were personal. Um, they remained attached to their living kin. And then there's other important passengers on your ship that you're taking with you. So you have the Deseer, especially for a family if you're settling and going to a new land. So they would have summoned them. Um, and then they had to bring, and they considered the Daseer, unlike the land spirits that tied to a specific rock or grove, this they were tied to bloodlines, and diseers could travel over to the sea to protect their kinsmen wherever they sailed. So your diseer are portable. Yes. And so somewhere I just heard or read that some people think those are like the dolphins they wouldn't was it you telling me about the dolphins? Yeah. That dolphins were your female Daseer, and the route they took from Greenland to Newfoundland has dolphins and whales and like just this magical light. Um and then the Deseer were keepers of the family luck, which protected members from accidents at sea. And then they were also the midwives of fate. They appeared at threshold moments, births, deaths, and the founding of new homes to weave the family's future into the local landscape. So you're packing all your barley and your mead, but you're also packing your with intention, you're packing your helpful people. Um you could not neglect them or they would be vengeful. So before a major voyage, families performed a sacrifice to the desir where they would give them meat and ale to strengthen the spiritual bond between ancestors and the living, and they were always female led. Um while men led most of the public rituals, the women of the household were the primary intermediators for the desir, which means on that ship, she's gonna tell, you know, grandma's not happy with your behavior right now. Quit carving your foot onto our ship. Yeah. Um one of the sagas that said they took, I know I was talking about 180 men last time, but one of them says it's uh 60 men and five women went with them. Yeah. Five women, that's right. Yeah. So they probably were busy keeping things in order. And then so magic runes were carved into mass or steering oars to ensure the ship remained upright. After when leaving, you have to give gifts to the land spirits, leave food or small trinkets at local groves or water files falls to say goodbye to the spirits. And first footsteps upon arriving at a new settlement, a ritual was often to carry fire around the perimeter of the new claims, sanctifying the land and claiming it from any resident spirits. Wow. So they sit literally set up their guard. Yeah. And protecting it. This is different than um different rituals you'd do if you were going trading or raiding. Yeah. Um marriage or anything like that. That's cool. Okay, they believe they they never sailed on Thursday, which was Thor's day, because the goddess storms was always active on that day. And that's the Fridays. That's the rune Thorat Thoraz. So that's Thor's rune. So you wouldn't want it. That's the most chaotic laden-filled rune. So that makes sense. Interesting. They don't say on Fridays either. No. Often they would not do Fridays, but it was typically Thursdays because it's Thor's Day. You wouldn't. Um, animal omens. If you saw ravens or cormorants, it's interpreted as a direct message from Odin, or you're seeing the spirits of lost sailors. And then a boarding ritual, you have to board a ship with your right foot first to avoid bringing unbalanced or sinister energy onto a deck. Dang. And then they would also do a cedar. So part of that de seer thing is um these the the goal is to make the rituals transform a voyage into a contract with the divine, giving families the psychological courage to travel. So I love that. That's so fascinating. I have to believe you're gonna do all of those things. Whether you're a Christian girl or not, you're gonna do those. For sure. Mm-hmm. For sure. And so now let's talk about what if you're weaving a sail for your sons to go or your daughters, you're gonna be weaving lots of hopes into them. And they would even say they would repeat the same words for every line, would have like a, you know, you will not be hurt or you will be da-da-da as they wove, right? Yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah, the absolutely intentions, and we don't even know what else they would have been doing at the the time, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they would have done that into probably their clothing, their mittens, their, you know, they scratched them into their swords, they scratched them into their cups, everything was a blessing. Mm-hmm. You're being mindful of that, reminded of that connection you have with the fates and with the spirits of the trees and the ships and the yeah, I think about like you know how some people do the blankets that like do the weather for a year. Oh, I did that. I love it. I love that the colors one lady had the other day, had one what that listed her bad days and her mad days. Oh, really? And she held it up and there was a whole block of red like for two weeks. And and she's like, I my husband was giving me a hard time forever. He's got this blanket where his week is blotted out. If you do it during a menopause, that would be uh one big red, one red hot blanket. But I do, I really do like the idea of the knitting intentions and the the symbology into clothing. And if you're wanting to put if you're the one weaving the sail for your for your voyage, think about all the love that's put into that. Yeah, it's cool. It's um, you know, and then you you want to go to the other side, okay. Well, it was this like how we get OCD. Is this just too much? And was Christianity kind of a relief to be like, nope, you're covered. It's one-stop shopping, you know, just say a prayer and then you're good to go. You know, was that an attractive over the water? Right on the yeah, you're right. Because think about you get all dressed up to get on your ship, and you know, man, I'm gonna have to deal with that ox blood all over me when I get on the ship. I'm gonna be sticky, and then they're gonna throw meat on me and all over the ship. Yeah. And then the thing that I'm finding interesting with these bind runes is that there's one rune that's uh just a straight line and it's ice, it's ice. So it can mean to you're stuck in one place or to pause. It's not always a negative, but sometimes it can be kind of a negative. But it is this line is the foundation for like all the runes, none of them have curves, none of the elder foothard. They're all straight lines. So just about every single rune starts with issa, with this frozen one. So if you're trying to do a bind rune about movement or, you know, marriage or childbirth or war or something where you want to be moving and quickly, you have to be careful about not starting with Isa. You have to draw your runes where that's not the foundation of your bind rune. So you also would have that stress as the mother knitting it in, like, oh shoot, did I start with the right rune? Am I actually accidentally putting in the wrong one? Or it's just it could make you mad at me. Did they constantly be thinking about am I doing it wrong? Am I doing it right? Oh my gosh, that sounds hellish. But then not, I mean, that's the devil's advocate of it because you would know what you're doing, and when you know what you're doing, it's actually really cool and beautiful. It's just that's a lot to learn and think about. That's a lot. That's such an interesting good point on the flip coin of how Christianity would have been. Yeah, like, are you tired of throwing blood everywhere? Are you tired of you know? You just want to knit and watch it. You just want to knit and uh have a little wine and and the maybe the grandmas go in the other room while you tell some colorful toy stories. Right. So I don't know. It's I I think through this whole season, too, the theme is for me at least the decision of converting, why a you know, pagan versus Christianity and what makes a person convert, and the selling points of each and the cool parts of each. That's a good point, because that's why Freitas is an important passenger if you want to look at them symbolically. Yeah you've got the pagan and the new Christian, and you on the same ship, both kind of as women charged with you know. And as we talk next time, we should compare both sagas, the Vin the uh Greenland. Yeah, because one is very heavily presents it as um the contrast between the two, that the more Christianized. Saga has more blessings and the whale is a blessing, and the pagans have a bad demise. And the one that's just more pagany or more, I don't even know, maybe translated more moderately is the whale makes them sick. We'll tell a lot, but it's just interesting. As I was reading with both of them again this morning, that that's so heavily um, you know, one's pro-Christian, why I think one's pro pro-pagan. And the way it's called Freyus is in both of those, but she's the same in both, she's so that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that'll get us. That's perfect. Let's do that. Let's dig back. So if you want to get read ahead, read Eric the Red saga and the Vinland sagas. The Greenlanders. Yeah. The Greenlanders. Yeah. Both Vinland sagas. They're both they're great. They're fun reads. Yeah. One is very detailed and one is more, you know, kind of a quick story. But okay, we're going on in her biggest travels. Yeah, we're in the boat. And we have our astro lab things. And our room. Blood all over you, meat and nail all over your face. Yeah. So they must look super scary when they show up. They're not having a bath after that. They're getting on the ship. I do like their baths, yeah, but I don't think they wash it off. I don't know. I'd be afraid to wash it off if that's like my protection. But then how scary to show up. Hey, we're your new neighbors. Yeah. They're so smart with stuff, and so I guess they're just bloody. Like they well, they're what the pagan, you're right. The downside, there's a lot of freaking blood. There's so much blood. And the Christians, like, we don't use blood anymore. We call it we use wine now. So and you just have to drink the drink the but here it's like no, we still use blood and we're gonna splatter it all over. And maybe you're gonna eat the the harder, the lumber of this animal. And give me your cat and your dog and your horse. Yeah, your horse heads or yeah, it's like Godfather. That's just I don't know. Not mocking any religion. No, it's just my head. I didn't know. Trying to figure out how we would understand it if we were little girls raised with blood fling. Right. I don't know. I guess you know how to get the stain out somehow. Yeah, what did they use? They must have something. I don't know. I don't know. All right. Well that's a good one. Yeah, this was a short one, 55 minutes. Okay, that's okay. Yeah. We can we'll get them on the boat and we'll get them to Vinland. Yeah. Right? Yep. Okay. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be cool. All right. Thank you for watching. Yeah, come to Dissaff Podcast.com. Yeah. Or email us at disstaffpodcast at gmail.com. Especially if you have questions or you want to know more about our knitting find room, or you need some wisdom from your desirer. Right. Figure that out for you. Yeah. Yeah, and learning how to I'm gonna get brave enough to use runes for a little bit. I think that'd be really interesting. I think that'd be really good. Like going to Gudrid or something. Yeah, it'd be cool. So that maybe we'll do that at the very end or something. Okay. If you want me to read your runes, comment or text. I can do that. Yes. Sarah can read your runes or your tarot. And I don't know what else. Maybe. Okay. Alright, give us a card. Or just talk. Or you just talk. Or we just talk and cry together and laugh. I can do that part. Okay. All right, love you. Love you too. I've got to be able to do that.