Viking Sails and Distaff Tales: Preparing for the Voyage S:2, E:11

This is an episode we added in, a little out of order, full of more buzz around Viking travel, getting ready for a big journey and Gudrid's new life with a new husband. Enjoy!

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

But then on the one edit, I did leave. That one edit where we were so tired, and it took us like four minutes to figure out what we were doing. And I meant to edit that all off. So it's all on there. But then the newest one? No, it was the tired.

SPEAKER_03 0:22

Yeah. That's okay.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

Olga's.

SPEAKER_03 0:26

But Olga was a crazy poor lady.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

She was. She had a rough episode too. So makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

It wasn't. Yeah, I was okay. But we were just tired. We were just tired.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

But okay. So welcome to the Justaff podcast. Do we have anything we want to say first? I feel like we haven't been.

SPEAKER_03 0:53

Did we? We mentioned um. Well, let's just catch him up. We can catch him up, but is there anything else we need to say?

SPEAKER_01 1:03

No, just thumbs up or subscribe or like or something, or even comment, or if you're on Apple, comment or do whatever you do on Apple. I need to find out where all the Denmark people are, what they're watching on.

SPEAKER_03 1:18

I know it was a Denmark teaching one. An Apple's one, not an Apple one, but a different European one.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

A different distributor. So anyway, welcome. And today we're talking about. What are we talking about? What do you think we're talking about?

SPEAKER_03 1:36

What do I think about okay? Actually, what do you think we're talking about? Because I haven't a little I haven't written actually what I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Oh. Just edit that part up. I think we're getting ready to get Goodridge. So she fell in love with Thornfin last week, on last week's episode. Yeah. She fell in love with Studley Thornfin with the fantastic pedigree of Viking heroes and legends and kings and all the way back. And then uh from Northern Iceland, so he's a neighborhood boy, boy next door, but kind of. And we talked about, oh, did we talk about was last week the sorceress?

SPEAKER_03 2:26

No, last week was the mayhem of the reckon the red and the dead body. Yes. Play a night spent with the undead and crossing themselves and should I talk to them or not?

SPEAKER_01 2:43

And the corpse going across the floor to try to get in bed with Thornstein. I'm watching Walking Dead. I'm re-watching Walking Dead right now. I'm actually gonna stop because I think it puts me in a weird state of mind. Do you ever watch Walking Dead?

SPEAKER_03 2:59

No. I never got into zombies because it feels like flesh, it's too much of a flesh sack.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

It's a total uh Hollywood makeup artist dream. Like it's just a little much that way. I but now that I've watched it before, this is my second time watching, I can fast forward through all that stuff. I just like the storylines, like when they're gardening or trying to put up walls and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 3:27

You like it for the landscaping advice?

SPEAKER_01 3:30

What are they logistics of it? Yeah. When the camera breaks down. So I can fast forward to all the good parts. Anyway, why am I telling oh the reckoning with the undead. So yeah, that's why.

SPEAKER_03 3:41

So there's that.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

There's that.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

But well, who gardens then? Is it the zombie people?

SPEAKER_01 3:48

So at one point they go and try to live in a prison, and so the survivor people have to garden it.

SPEAKER_03 3:55

Oh so I've never seen it. I'm out of it.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

They need to redo it where they don't do as many zombies and they do more like, how did you get the water up from the shell freak to the prison? Where did you get those big rain barrels?

SPEAKER_03 4:13

You want the survival show.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

You want what herbs are you growing? Yeah, because one guy saves everybody with elderberry tea or something.

SPEAKER_03 4:22

And yeah. So I know. I I that's why I loved, well, I loved researching this episode because we're kind of talking about um them getting ready to go on their voyage. So yes.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

So that's what uh we're packing. We're packing today, right?

SPEAKER_03 4:38

We're packing. I have I have down Gudrid marries Carl Stephanie, and we're gonna talk about him a little bit, I thought. Then they get married, and then they spend a winter plan making plans, like what they thought about where they were going, and then packing the ship uh physically and mentally. So it might be a couple episodes. That's what I just thought. What did you think?

SPEAKER_01 5:03

I focused on the sails. Oh good. Yeah. So I'm ready to talk about that. And then I focused on runes, but more as uh not to talk about today, but maybe start establishing a little bit in there. I don't know. Um and then just ready to talk about how much we want to talk about where they're going and why they think they're going somewhere and all that.

SPEAKER_03 5:29

Yeah. I mean, I did a deep dive on the shipbuilding, which matches your sail research. That's kind of where I spent most of my weekend.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

Yeah, mine was on sails and wools.

SPEAKER_03 5:43

Okay, we're ready then. Okay. Um so at this point in the story, we have um we left you, as Sarah said, with Gudrid losing her first husband. And again, we think she's under 20, under the age of 20. But her first husband was like uh married, she married into the Eric the Reds family. And um there's two different sagas. We talked about how they kind of diverge a little bit with sources. Um one has her coming back to Bradley, Eric the Red's back to her in-laws, probably with Thorn her husband's body to make sure he's buried. Yeah, and probably pretty pretty sad moment of them coming home. And um one saga has Eric the Red dead already. Um, some say he died in 2003, others have him alive when Gudrid comes back home.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Yeah, and it makes sense because again, then this is probably important to say now in one saga you have many trips.

SPEAKER_03 6:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

In one another saga you have one major trip. So if it was many trips, he would be dead by now. And if it was one big trip, he hasn't died yet. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:02

What one do you think makes the most sense?

SPEAKER_01 7:06

I don't know. I I to be honestly, I think it's many trips. I think that's the one that makes the most sense because they knew Thorvald was the oldest son of Eric the Red, and he uh all that whole time that Leif was over in Norway, I think Thorvald was exploring Vinland, which is North America. And um the place I don't know, I that kind of makes more sense to me, because they were sailing around and going they were hunting for their ivory. I don't know how much raiding they were doing at that time. It felt like it was more exploring for wood and I don't know. That's just my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 7:48

Yeah, I think so too. So what we're talking about is, you know, while Gudrid's coming from Iceland to Greenland, those few years be when she wasn't in Greenland, Eric the Red was established there with his family and his sons and his daughter. And this is the time that Leif Erickson there on their is going. His older brother Torvald is exploring, um, and Thorstein, Gudrid's future husband, they're all doing the thing they're supposed to be doing, which is getting on ships. And um it to me, it's a lot of getting lost. Like I I kind of researched a little bit of what they would have talked about that winter in the during the winters, like where did you go last summer? What did you see? Um, and a lot of it is they just set out and they find what they find, and that's how they found from Norway they found Iceland, and they found Greenland, and they found North America. So Yeah. So yeah. So there's so there's different so we you kind of think Gujard probably had been on the ships with Torvald. We I mean other sagas no.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

I don't think she went on those. I think it was you don't think she did. Oh she went, I think she went oh, I don't know. I no, I the way I understood it, maybe I'm wrong though, is that Thorvald Thorvald went Torvald went on his own expedition. That was the one where he took that, I think. And that's where he got kicked shot with a bow and then brought back to Greenland to be buried, right? But the place he got cross hit was called the cross two crosses, two arrow crosses, right? But I don't know, so we can t it doesn't matter because as we tell the story, we can explain the variance, I think. We can proceed with let's pack the ship. They know there's they know that there's a land westward. They've heard of it, people have have reported sailing near it. Um either because they were blown off course or because they themselves were kind of looking for it, but they know it's there and they're preparing to go to it. And then one story Torvald's already been there and died, but they have reports of detailed reports of the landscape, right? How to go kind of. Yeah. Or in this one, if it's one grand voyage, they know it's there and they're just gonna go for it.

SPEAKER_03 10:35

And and Leif, the brother, Leif Erickson, has already been there and built a shelter, correct?

SPEAKER_01 10:43

Before you want to say that there's multiple trips, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

Yeah, which I kind of I'm with you on that. I think that they I don't know, just just for a lot of reasons.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Because it has to be because they asked to use his winter.

SPEAKER_03 10:57

Yeah. So I think I think it's weird because Gudrid almost is faded, even though the one Torvald Erickson son dies, she heads to, you know, the family up there in Brad of Lead, which all they do is explore. So she's gonna go somewhere, I think, which is interesting. Okay, sorry, that's a lot of answer. Um so yeah, so Neil Price um in his Children of Ash and M on page 482 says the story of Norse presence in Greenland and later the new world. So Gudrid, again, she's called Gudrid the world traveled, um, because as we're going to see in the next couple episodes, she will travel to North America in a thousand between, you know, in the first decade of the thousands A.D. Um, and this story of her doing that is preserved in two Icelandic tales, Saga of Eric the Red, Saga of Greenlanders. Price says they differ substantially in the details, but convey a broadly similar big picture of westward expansion. So, Gudrid, who are her in-laws? Who's living at Bradileed? Um, I kind of have a um oh, I have notes from the archaeological dig of thing, Bradileed or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:31

Um says, and this is again from Neil Price, it says, Remains of Eric's house have been found. It was an imposing structure with a flagstone floor surrounded by ancillary buildings, including buyers for animals. Um nearby stood a tiny turf church made for his wife, Teod Hilde, and we talked about that last week. Um, Price says Eric never shared her faith and remained faithful to the old traditions until his death, and their spiritual differences caused tension. Um, near Bratahlied, that was the site of the first thing assembly in Greenland, and so his district would continue to be in prominence for centuries with a latest, later Christian focus around the bishopric at Gardar, um, founded in the next Ford over. So um Tjodhild's descendants and Gujard's descendants would be totally Christian later. So anyway, Eric for a guy who had been exiled and banished out of two Norway and Greenland, um, he's done fairly well for himself. Um and the archaeology I love that the archaeology supports you know a thriving place for where they all were.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Yeah, flagstone floor is pretty fancy, wouldn't you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

Yes. Not a dirt floor, but that was they were the main he had his own hall, essentially. And yeah. So and and he also had they had the dock down. They they were very close to that main trading dock that was coming in and out. So he positioned himself really well.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

So this hustling fun hub. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

And an imposing structure, which is cool. Um, so what do we know about? Do you want to talk about Carl Sefni a little bit?

SPEAKER_01 14:39

Explain or who should we talk about that's well, we kind of talked about him last time, just introducing he comes from uh his family is from Northern Iceland, kind of mid mid-Northern Iceland. Um he's directly he's he's descended from Odd the Deep Minded on one line, and then also from like your Ragnar Lothbrok, Viking lore and legend on uh different line. So he's got the pedigree, he's um grew up, he's a merchant, right? So he's whatever that is at this time we're talking about 1000, so the peak Viking raiding age started in about 790-ish, late 700 seventh century. So it's been 200 years of Vikings kind of establishing themselves as forces to be reckoned with, and so the the fact that he's a merchant in my own head, um I don't know if he was a raider or what else he was a warrior or is a savvy businessman. I it's in my head, I picture him more as an explorer. The fact that they went exploring instead of raiding, you know, on this big adventure tells me that they were not your typical raiding, but you know, then they he does they go to Norway together, but I don't think they go to raid, I think they go to to meet the king. So I picture him as not your barbarian raiding Viking. I picture him more as your dandy, like the word we use, but yeah, but tougher. Yeah, fun, adventurous, kind of breath uh breath of fresh air, I think for Gundred. She just dealt with all that heartache and loss and crazy dead stuff, and he's Christian. She doesn't have to bath you know, convert him, or you know, so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:46

And it yeah, and um there in one of the YouTube videos that Echoes of History, they'll they show Carcelfne arriving at Eric the Red's and it says he was a merchant who arrived in Greenland with 80 men and a ship loaded with trade goods. So that's a huge ship.

SPEAKER_05 17:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:07

Um Eric the Red, Gudrid's father-in-law, invited the entire crew to winter at a settlement and because it was the only homestead large enough to house them. 80 men. 80 men and all their stuff, and all their stuff and their animals, and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

I mean because it's not just 80 men, I'm sure it's the women that go along too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:30

Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to find there, there's a really good um, and I don't know if I don't know, but there was a good um description of the longhouse, the inside when they're all wintering kind of cozy, but we can paint that ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

Um I mean, we picture you talked about the heart last time. Oh yeah. Um and we can kind of describe it. I some you enter from so it's a long house, literally a long house. And some you'll enter from the center door, right? And some you'll enter from the very far skinny end, depending, I think. Yeah. And um, like we talked about, it's dark inside. The fire is kind of the only source of light. I I read once about how they treat the smoke. Yeah. I think it goes up through, but it's still covered. So there's just not a lot of light. There's no windows or anything like that.

SPEAKER_03 18:30

Yes, and it's usually covered in turf. So it's they talk about it being damp. And if I'm yelling, I don't know why lately I'm yelling. You're yelling a lot.

SPEAKER_05 18:44

You think you're yelling? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

But yeah, picture how musty it smelled and smoky, and that's where they cook food. It's where they sleep, eat, party, yeah, drink, go to the bathroom, not too far away. Yep. Some places have an attached little bathroom. Stables would be not far down the hall on the other end. Yep. Um, and it's where they do laundry. It's um think in the wintertime, it's where they're doing everything, right? Yeah. They're having baby, making babies, having babies.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

Yeah. So all in the one place with 80 new friends.

SPEAKER_01 19:36

And they have the beds or along the walls, right? Kind of it's similar to the AGAWam or the those longhouses. Very similar. Yeah. Even platformed beds, I think, sometimes. So you could just have if you have 80 men, it would just be and slaves, and then you have a there's a term for a woman that's actually literally lives in the corner. She's called Oh, that's rap. Remember that?

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Yes, I felt so bad for her.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

Okay, maybe we need a minute to find our corner hag. So it's a horn, horn curling, the lowest person in the hall. And it's and it's usually a woman, but it's it's the corner hag. And so this is the woman that just lives in the corner, and she's probably a slave or a servant, or you know. Yeah. Probably not always a man, a woman, but could be usually a woman. So she's a horn curling. Wow. So you picture that. You have all of this. Busy, busy, busy. And they're grooming themselves and whatever, you know.

SPEAKER_03 20:48

So there, I mean, it's gotta be, no wonder I it would be pretty fun, but you'd have to. And it would be super fun. Yeah. You'd have to have a lot of mead, you'd have to have a lot of um alcohol. Uh-huh. And so, and you'd have to plan for it. And so at that time they must have been doing fairly well if they thought they could handle 80 people.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Yeah, because remember, there was a famine when they when Gudred first got there and he wasn't doing very well. He had to have help for her wedding with Thornstein. Right. And so now here we are a year later.

unknown 21:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

The little sorceress lady was right, the famine was over, and so they must have been. Unless Thor um Thornstein brought his own stuff too. Maybe he had lots of supplies and things to share.

SPEAKER_03 21:44

Yeah. So I mean, one of the things you're mentioning, which which links to well, I'm just kind of taking us to Carl Ste Carl Stephanie comes and they all settle in. Gudrid's there. Um Um and it says some you know, during the long winter nights, Carl Stephanie heard stories about the land Leif had discovered to the west, Vinland, they called it. A place with timber so abundant you couldn't build entire fleets. Salmon is so thick in the rivers you could scoop them up by hand. So they grasslands perfect for livestock, a place, this is Neil Price, a place worth more than trade goods, worth colonizing. So you're right. They weren't just sitting there, they weren't as interested in trade as they were in exploration.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

Yeah. And it makes sense because Greenland, they had already cleared off most of the trees in Iceland by then, by this time. It's been 300 years, 200 years of Iceland. And then they're probably doing the same thing to Greenland, you know, deforestation and and so they had to look beyond again and and to live and to colonize. Yeah.

unknown 23:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

That's what they were doing, which is a different mindset. Huh? Yes. Yeah, different mindset than the other people. They weren't out to conquer, they were out to settle. Yeah. Which means they weren't necessarily warriors, except we know they could fight because Leaf seemed like he was fighting with the kings, so they knew how to handle themselves. Yeah. They also knew how to build a ship. Um well, did they though?

SPEAKER_01 23:37

Because they used their dad's boat. Yes, you're right. But they did have to, they obviously knew how to build ships. But it's funny that they borrowed Gudrun's dad's boat for this trip.

SPEAKER_03 23:49

Yes. And that's what made me interested in they did have the port city right by them, which I didn't realize how important that was. Um, but so they had access to merchants and iron stuff and people coming and going. And there was even a business set up down there to outfit people for their kit or for traveling. So to go on travels, you know, they didn't have to start from scratch, they had a whole economy built on that, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 24:24

And do you want to just mention really quick what these little towns or hubs of commerce were? Yes. Um, I thought that was really interesting. They started off, it's not like um towns, right, that we think of. Like in the Wild West, we think of a main street and then the business is lined around it. It was it's set up more as way a long time ago, just people would come with their products to sell and sell it. And then somebody started organizing it and turned it more into like a square or rectangle. Did you do you remember this part? Yeah, they planned it almost. I think it was like a market or a fair or not like a town. So when you pictured these this these hubs for these Vikings, and it's not they weren't doing it kind of like how the Europeans were doing it. It was more I don't know. But then it's interesting because then it evolved to almost like a main street, a two-way, two-road main street. It's just cool how no matter where you are, these towns, it's almost ended up looking like a New England town, right? Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

Some of them, even uh some of them had their roads paved with pine boards or um that's cool. Down to the dock, they lay rocks and flatstones in circular patterns so that the carts could go right down to the water to meet the thing. And so the whole little place, you're right, it wasn't it was more like a dwell, a uh yeah, like a fair where you come in and do your work and then you go home and um but if I And then it just evolved into getting more organized.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

I don't have the diagram, I can't find it. But um Okay, I think I have I think I have it. Were they separated out into um almost industry?

SPEAKER_03 26:29

Yes, let's see. I'm looking at price page 386. Um well this talks about sales, the textiles needed. Um what is the book that talked about? Oh, here's the total sailcloth requirements for warships. There's a picture. Is that what you're talking about?

SPEAKER_01 26:56

Yeah, maybe. It was like a handwritten diary. I mean, this isn't it was just really fascinating. That maybe was it.

SPEAKER_03 27:06

Yeah, I I feel like there's a lot I wanted to about that.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

Um anyway, it was just cool to see just how much things almost boomed at this time and then how much they still kind of stay the same. Yeah. Maybe it was in his Yeah, you're right, Kim. Oh yeah, the fur it's called a Ryb. A Ryb R-I-B-E. Oh. And and uh in the eighth century, so it looked like it's on page 289 of Neil Price.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

Oh yes, okay, yes. Yeah, yes. That's it. Um beach and thoriums were manifestations of changing economic history, wider descriptions of yeah, just what you said.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

Um so then it eventually they got organized and they put little areas of industry or blacksmith, and then then it just at one part I just remember reading, oh, and then it turned into your New England town of resident up higher because the people wouldn't want to go home every time, then they started to want to live.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

So you wouldn't just bring your stuff to this market, you would actually eventually move live there where the trade is happening. So it's cool. I know. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:43

Okay. So where do you want to go? Do you um I I have well, I can just say they got married, and then we can talk about what yeah, you'd say what you thought. Well, they got married. I can tell you my questions.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

Okay, let's do that, and then I'll talk about the sales.

SPEAKER_03 29:07

Yes, okay. So my questions were what did they know about Vike uh Vinland? So what were they talking about? Um why were they going? Um and then I loved okay, so okay, let me just get them married and then you lead the way with the sales, and then we'll just do it. Um so it says during wait. Sorry, I I'm messing this up again. I'm getting back to the mess up stuff. Mess up stuff. Okay. Car So Stef the Stefani, Car not Stefani.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

So I call him Thornfinn because his name is Thornfinn, Carl Stefani. Carl Stephanie means promising young man. That was his nickname. So it's more accurate to call him that. That's what he would have been called. I don't think anyone would have called him Thornfin, but that was his actual Carl Sniff name. Carl Sneffy.

SPEAKER_03 30:10

Is his middle is his nickname? Is his name?

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Which means promising young man or a man in progress or something.

SPEAKER_03 30:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

Yeah. And um, so and then his last name is my kitty's sitting on it. Okay.

unknown 30:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 30:29

Well, anyway, they met in the longhouse, Gudrid's, and uh, you know, I could see Theodhild and Eric thinking this is a good match, get her matched up right away with this merchant guy. Um he he would he had 80 men. It would be a good good um reckoning. Um the wedding feast doubled as the winter solstice celebration, so it happened right now. Fun. And one video the echoes of history said practical. This was practical Viking efficiency at work. Gudred, a widow before the age of 20, made a decision that she would sail into completely this is drama, unknown terry terry territory with a man she'd known for a few months to establish a permanent settlement thousands of miles from help. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

Yeah, but she they're going with people she loves. That's not right. Yeah, no, he's this he's this odd man now. She these are all her people he's going with.

SPEAKER_03 31:34

Yeah. And I I think I mean there must have been a little bit of weirdness, but maybe not, because we're the weird Victorian ones around my son just died, and now we're gonna hit you up with this really great guy or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

For all we know, she's known, they've all known each other for a long time, right? Are you they could have known each other in Iceland, they could have known Carl Steph's Carl Sneffy. I could just call them Thorn Finn, but they could have known him for a long time, so maybe it was because she had money, her dad had died, and so they had she wasn't like destitute, she wasn't gonna be a burden on them, I don't think.

SPEAKER_03 32:19

No, you're right, she wasn't because she had um Thornstein's half of his homestead, yeah, and then all of her dad's land because he got land when he was there, and her dad's boat, yeah. But then you picture a group of 20-year-olds, none of them had children, so you had Freitas, who was their sister, who I think of her as like the anti-Gudrid almost. She's like the wild woman, field maiden wild woman of the group. Um, but you can s picture them talking about Vinland and the possibilities, and when you learn about how many trees they need, if they're gonna, you know, if they're into sailing ships or whatever, but um that would have been an interesting winter.

SPEAKER_01 33:07

Yeah, exciting winter, something to look forward to, something it would be another happy time, I feel like. And you're right, this Yule feast where they was the Yule feast that Eric Dured was not, didn't feel like he had enough to oh it was so it was Carl Sneffy's men who oh and his men who brought in according to one saga.

SPEAKER_03 33:31

So again, one saga maybe is a different well I like that story because he right away had something to offer the family.

SPEAKER_01 33:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:40

So he that would have probably impressed Gudrid. Yes, yeah. Yes. Um Okay, so anyway, we have them talking about Leaf had been to this to this place called Vinland, um, and so they're talking about it, right? That somewhere to go, something to think about. So talking about going is one thing, and you know they would leave in June, right? Is that when they would normally leave? Um, so they had about six months to figure it out. Let's talk about logistics. Like, what does it mean to go on a let's talk about the sale?

SPEAKER_01 34:26

Oh, you want to talk about a sale?

SPEAKER_03 34:28

Yeah, why not? I don't know. I don't know. You need to talk because I my brain is burnt.

SPEAKER_01 34:35

I'll talk about the sale because it's symbolic. The sale isn't just a sale, it's symbolic of this whole time. Because these are Vikings, which are sea kings, which has the word sea in it. So they're picture all these boats from this what's the word that's so fabulous? It's not diaspora, it's he used ocean maraspora. He did something that was cool. I mean, I'm sure he didn't invent the word. Diaspora, but he called it a water. So a diaspora is is a spreading out of a culture, right? Yeah. Am I wrong? No, you're right. Okay, so he kind of I thought it was maybe it's not him. Um anyway, so you've pictured these people are making a world and a culture based on boats, river boats we know about over in Ukraine and Russia, um, even in Norway and Sweden, the whole country is basically just uh like a cracked land filled in with water and old glaciers. So boats inland, you would use boats, um, and then these big sea navigations. So we I think before I read this and really got interested in it, taking for taking for granted how these boats navigate and it's the sails. And how do you make a sail? You just don't go down to REI or I don't know where you buy sales. No, yeah, and buy a sail, and it's you don't have um I mean fabric is literally the moving what's moving this these people is fabric. And so it's awesome. Yeah, and um so then how does this fabric get made? And it's every book we've read that dedicates about almost a chapter, a pretty long part talking about this wool, and it sounds so boring, but you have to remember that we're learning about these people from little poems or big long sagas or weird mythological edas, and you know, and how do you actually learn about so for a long time they didn't actually even know how these sails were constructed, they had theories. But I think that's really interesting that we didn't even know yeah, a lot about these Viking sails.

SPEAKER_03 37:13

And part of the problem was um fabric, you know, we're talking 1200 years ago, fabric is one of the first things to decompose. Right. So they'd find these, they'd find the they'd find ships in the burials, but no find any kind of fabric. Right. Because that was always a question. There they're open boats. There's water, there's seawater. What kind of clothes did they wear? But the the main thing is really, you're right, the sail. That's the that's yeah. So how did they do it? And uh and most fabric comes from plants, so they had to think about this whole cycle ahead of time.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

So they thought about hemp. I think a lot of researchers thought maybe it was a hemp sale. I think because in different parts they did use hemp for these sales, but in um during the Viking age, they every church, so that maybe not the Viking Age, maybe more the Christian Anglo-Saxon or whatever. Well, Viking Age too, the churches had to have were required to have a sail in their church for safekeeping, which is cool. Really? Sails were so valuable. Not only did every boat was every boat was required to have two sails, so you always had an extra sail stowed away, and then you had your sail that you used, and then every town or gr group had to have a sail in their church tucked away. And so there's a place called Trondanes, Trondines, and it's a church, and in I guess in World War II or something, there were the church was leaking, or at some point in history after this, the church had was leaking, and so they knew they had this old tiny wool or piece of fabric sail, and they ripped it all apart and started shoving it into the leaks in the church. And time went on, and then eventually somebody realized wait a minute, this is a Viking sail that we that we just used to plug up all these holes, and now we're gonna put it back together. So it's called the Trondaness sail. And from this one sail, one sail, think of all thousands and thousands of Viking ships that for hundreds of years, this one sale kind of answered everything to them. So then you had these groups of museums, you had the Viking ship museum in Denmark, um wanted to reconstruct the sale, and they wanted to do it as correctly as possible because then they were gonna learn out, learn what the sale is made out of, what the process is to create the sale, how much time it took, how much manpower it would take, how much time did this culture dedicate to sail making and their daily life? Like it and it's massive. I hope I wrote down everything right because I got to reading. Um, so that so they this the research project is cool and it's written down. There's two different parts, but mainly the one I read that I think she tells the cutest version of it isn't here, but I know it's okay. So Heather Pringle, the North Woman, talks about it because she actually met with the woman who Amy Lightfoot, who's of the Tomervik Textile Trust on Hitra, which is an island in Norway, she helped do this project where they were going to recreate a Viking sale. So how fun. This is in the 90s. Oh I know. And they had to do it accurately. So with the tools that they would have used and all that everything, the sheep. The first they had to find the right kind of sheep because these are ancient primitive sheep, right? They don't the sheep we have nowadays, I guess, are not the same sheep. Uh, did I write down the kind of sheep it was? I don't know if I did. But anyway, it's a it's a primitive breed, short-tailed sheep. So they found those. And then what's unique about these sheep is they have a two-layer, their wool is in two layers. There's a bottom layer that's very soft, and and then there's a top layer that's kind of longer and coarse. So the first thing Viking people, and we know that it's women, mainly they had women would be doing this, women or slaves or children, had to go and you don't shear them, you know, there's no buzzers or clippers.

SPEAKER_05 41:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:52

You have to actually rip the wool off the sheep's back. Really? There's a word for it. Uh, I don't have the wood. Oh rooing.

SPEAKER_03 42:07

Oh, you'll ruin the day.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

Oh, yeah, it's ROO rooing. So they, these women in the 90s, this group of people went to all these places where they have all these sheep, and they started pulling. They would spent a long weeks or whatever rooing, pulling the wool off these sheep.

SPEAKER_03 42:28

And then once you've done that, are they screaming and running around?

SPEAKER_01 42:33

And there's probably a documentary where they filmed it that you could watch. Hey, wow. But picture these Viking women, that's their job. You know, that's out there out there. There's a certain time that you would do it, a better time to do it. Um, if you if some people say if you've used the wool from a sheep that's never had a baby, her wool is healthier. So it was like a status thing to have gloves made from a virgin wool. You know. Wow. Wow. So yeah, so they would rue, they would pull all the things. So then these women, these modern women who are recreating it, then wanted to do the next correct thing, which is that you would have to hand separate the soft lower part from the upper part. And you can't do it unless you're in a warm place. So you had to go into a place, and I picture they were doing this maybe in the longhouse. They did have different centers called dingers. Dingers, the woman's center. Yeah, and these are weaving centers, and it's a textile workspace. I don't know where they would have done this part though. Yeah. Maybe they would have.

SPEAKER_03 43:43

But are we talking for one sale? Did they have to roo?

SPEAKER_01 43:49

Do we know that? I didn't write that down.

SPEAKER_03 43:51

And maybe that's not a good question.

SPEAKER_01 43:53

It's a great question, and I can find out. Um, but obviously, if you're talking about this whole time. I mean, sheep were the most sheep would have been huge, right? Throughout all of Scandinavia. Yeah. Yeah. Flocks and herds and herds and herds. Because I've this is this is trying to make one sail. Okay. To recreate one sail. And this sail happens to be the size of 20 king-sized beds put together. So it's huge. So it would have been for a big, big boat.

SPEAKER_03 44:26

Okay. So I just pulled it up. It says based on historical recreation, it took roughly 200 to 700 sheep to provide enough wool to make one large woolen sail. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 44:38

So that much so that's how much the women had to go. So then in order to separate the wool, the hard wool from the soft wool, you had to do it in the warmth because they needed the lanolin to get released from the wool. Oh, yeah. It would make it easy to separate. You couldn't do it in the cold. So these women went into a cabin or something with wood-burning stoves and just spent weeks in this pulling wool and the slippery lanolin. And the Viking women would have you know had to do it either in the summer or but it was what we find out this this is a ongoing, you it's not a seasonal production.

SPEAKER_03 45:18

Okay. Okay. So around it all year long.

SPEAKER_01 45:22

Yep. Um so then after you've separated it, then you have to spin it. And these women will use spinning wheels. I think we know. Depends on how far back you're going. Yeah. Spinning wheels have been around a long time. They're definitely medieval. Mm-hmm. Um, we could even go back further than that. Assuming you have a spinning wheel, that's what you would have done. But if not, you're doing you're using your distaff and your spin and your spinning whirl and non-stop. You've got your stick, your wool, and your spinning with your stone, and it's pulling the tension of that stone spinning is make having you make the thread, the wool yarn.

SPEAKER_03 46:11

And yeah, and um I just read, I don't know why I read this last night, but in England and Ireland, they would spin their wool counterclockwise. The Norse people would spin it, they called it around the sun, but clockwise. Oh, because it creates different sheens and stuff, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 46:36

I believe that.

SPEAKER_03 46:38

So, yeah, so they would have been doing it round the sun. Round the sun, yep. I guess.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

But think about every every step in this process. Yes, and this is not even the worst part. Like, okay. That's still lovely. So to get enough yarn to make this sale, you need 116 miles of yarn to make this one sale. So make sure I didn't skip anything. La la la. So then this group of people, again, it's headed out by Amy Lightfoot. Um when then you weave it, then you have to start weaving it. And this is where they used looms. And these women, again, they used modern looms to do it because otherwise it would take forever. And then after you've woven it and you have actual fabric, then you have to soak it in salt water. So you have to dip all this wool fabric in salt water to kind of treat it. It's called fulling. F-U-L-L. Fulling.

SPEAKER_03 47:45

How would they weave that large of a sail? Um, a hundred. Oh, in pieces. Okay, got it. They just had upright looms, I think.

SPEAKER_01 47:56

They didn't have Yeah, but there was a specific way they had to weave it. You they would use the coarse wool for the downward seam, downward weaving, and the soft wool for a cross, because they found out that the coarse wool can handle the buffering of the wind. Wow. Buffering of the wind. So they had it like a waterproof almost. Yes, and then the cross wool was felted. So what this fulling was doing when they dipped it in the salt water was, and then they would rub it. They had stones. I actually was more organized than I thought. I actually did this. You're always um so it's kind of like felting, you're felting the soft wool, which we which you know makes it like felt. It makes it it's it's so fascinating. Felting, I'm just gonna say, is so fascinating. Like here's a piece of wool that's a hundred percent. This is my nail binding thing. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

Here's my whalebone. So Sarah is knitting the old way before knitting needles, the old one.

SPEAKER_01 49:05

Yeah, I'm trying to learn. But this is a piece of wool, and and unlike other yarn, you can rip it. See, I just ripped it. Oh, yeah. And then to put it back together, you fray both ends of this wool. It has to be 100% wool. So this is what they're kind of doing at this point is felting it. And then you would water it. So this I imagine is what the salt baths are for. Okay. And then you have to rub it together. And now I've just put my wool back together. No way. So that it binds it. This somehow that water, the moisture makes you have so that that's what the process they're doing with these sails. It's very similar to how these you work with wool. And then with knoll binding, you never you use one thing and you just felt back together the for a continuous piece of yarn. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_03 50:04

Yes. So it all the fibers are kind of welded together then. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:09

And this last process, they're getting it all so thick and strong and put together to make the sail. Picture how heavy it was. So these women that did it, the recreation women had to lift these big, heavy, heavy swaths of fabric out of these barrels of salt water, you know. They had barrels of salt water for each piece, and you'd soak them for a few days, you said? It says, yeah, it was grueling, exhausting work, hauling heavy cloth in and out of barrels of warmed salt water, winding small sections of the sopping wet cloth on a roller stick and heaving a big wooden board stacked with 90 pounds of stone back and forth over the roller like this to felt it. And this is our modern day women, because they did take some corn, they did understandably had to take some corners, like using the loom and stuff. Yeah. Um, and then the final treatment is taking uh they used horse fat. This is the part you were saying where they smear something on it. Horse fat, yellow ochre and rotter, uh water, and then you're using glass stones to kind of rub over it, and that's what turned them a beautiful. They were pretty color. They're kind of the yellow golden color. So all these sales are like a golden color, unless you wanted to. We know that they would also dye them different colors too, if you wanted to.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

But I mean that is that takes some organization, some coordination. Are you saying all the so all the sales were produced nearby where the maybe, or maybe not, but were most if you saw a Viking fleet, would they have color differences in their sails, or did they try to keep them all that open?

SPEAKER_01 52:00

They had differences in their sails. I think so. Okay. I think this is I I think they they eventually I don't know. I'm not I don't know. I actually don't know. But I know that I've heard that they have different colors. Yeah. And the way the the sails were designed, this pattern of coming up and down and across was very different than how all the others. So if you knew a Viking ship, even just based on this the weave of the sail. Um so in September 2000, the Viking Ship Museum, the crew of the Otar, so I think they rebuilt a ship, and then this these people were in charge of the sail. And used it and headed out, and they used the sail. In addition to the sail, the people also made their sleeping bags out of the wool, which is doing weaving, but then leaving the rough parts of the wool out instead of tucking it under, so almost like a fur-like. But you would turn it inside out and sleep in the fur part and have the treated wool on the outside. They made them a hood, which the Vikings' hoods were big. It wasn't a hood just for your head, it was for your whole shoulders where you could throw it over and the weight of it kind of would cover. So the people that did the recreation wearing these authentic wool clothing said it was great. Like they were comfortable, they were warm, it dries really easy and quick.

SPEAKER_03 53:25

Really? Uh-huh. So that's what I I wondered because you know, in other survival situations, like let's say you're up in the Nordic or Alaska or something, the you're gonna, if you get wet, you're almost doomed. You have to wash your clothes right away, you have to, you know, your sleeping bag is you're you're basically gonna be hypothermic.

SPEAKER_01 53:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:49

So I can't I couldn't understand why if they're sailing in the North Sea all the time in this these open boats, you know, how they didn't so you're saying this fabric was protected.

SPEAKER_01 54:03

They did amazing things with wool. I mean, they even have armor clothing where they use wool and different kinds of resin or something on layers that you could make for your son or your man that actually could protect it was almost like an armor. Okay. And um, so then so that was amazing and wonderful. And uh you they learned a lot from that. However, they really did want to know how long it took to not use a loom, not you, you know, do it the old-timey way, a warp-weighted loom. Let's see, blah, blah, blah. So, what they found out that it would have consumed for one person to do it, it would have been 10,269 hours of labor. And it was mainly done by women. No, where's the bottom line? They could weigh up to nope, the blankets they took with them weighed about 40 pounds. So think how much had to, these boats had to be really strong to handle these sails, the men, the equipment, then their clothing was really heavy. The blankets took six months to make. So, how long did it take? It took yeah, six point nine, six point eight years for one person. If one person made a sale, it would take them six point eight years. So obviously, it was not just one person, it wasn't one woman making a sale for her husband's boat. It was a full-on industry.

SPEAKER_03 55:41

Yeah. Cause because if you have a the largest ones could fit, I think what one of them said, what what did the one say? 200. No, that's not true. The largest ones could fit about 80 to 80 people, maybe 60 to 80.

SPEAKER_01 55:59

But normally about 30 people, but yeah, so so and by fit it could mean comfortably fit. Who knows what they did when they had slaves and stuff to take like when they were just making a run home?

SPEAKER_03 56:13

How well and their sheep and cargo and all that kind of stuff. Um yeah, they weren't into comfort.

SPEAKER_01 56:22

No.

SPEAKER_03 56:24

But maybe, yeah. So did each ship have two sails?

SPEAKER_01 56:31

Yes, every ship had to have two sails, a spare sail and a a regular sail. And the the cool thing about the felting is it made it so that if there was a rip or a tear mid mid-trip, you could do the process of repairing your sail by felting it back. Not cool. You didn't have to like sew it back, you could just felt it back.

SPEAKER_03 56:55

Okay, I wondered about that. Repair your sail. So, okay, so what's interesting, yeah. And so they were probably sails were probably generational then. Were they did they survive a voyage or did they sound like it?

SPEAKER_01 57:14

They didn't rot, I don't think, because the wool has that protective property. It's amazing that we didn't they didn't find more of them in these burials. But yeah, they would rot. Um I don't know. I didn't actually look up how many have been found or enough, or I don't think in these when they did the ritual bearing of a boat, I don't think they had sails with them.

SPEAKER_03 57:44

They had tarps, I think that they covered them. I don't know why I know that, but they did. Um I got I got into another recreation that happened in Norway. Um they built it, but it was more focused on how the ships were built. Yeah, much the sails. Um, and they used a satin, not a satin, a silk sail, which they said, oh, that's how royalty, and I'm sure they did because they had the east, they had, you know, places everywhere, but it ripped their first time out. Oh that's that had to have just been decorative. So they they recreated it's the dragon. Um, they recreated, tried to recreate the ship that Gudrid and those guys, they don't even mention Gudrid once in the video, but that they would have taken to Finland. Oh, cool. Okay. They are recreating that voyage um with a sail that's silk and ripped. So they never discussed why they didn't do the wool thing. I wonder what year they did it. It's been it's like 2000. So it's really recent.

SPEAKER_01 59:00

Yeah. Because that's the same year they did this auto boat boat. Or maybe they were still making this big sale. I don't know. That's cool.

SPEAKER_03 59:12

So, okay. So what it does make you the most about the sale?

SPEAKER_01 59:17

What's that?

SPEAKER_03 59:19

What what is it about the sale that fascinates you? Or what else did you do?

SPEAKER_01 59:24

She did a beautiful job um kind of explaining that yes, this is this took up all the time. This took up amounts and amounts of time. So if you're a woman, you have the keys to the farm, keys to the longhouse, you're in charge of logistics, you are running your farm, your home, your family. And then also you would be uh in charge of sail making and weaving and clothing making, and that means you're in charge of sheep and just it's you're in charge of all of this stuff. And she kind of in the end, I even highlighted it because it was so sweet. Heather Pringle does a lovely job. That it was just an enormous undertaking, um, that their tools, their amount of time, la la la la la. They were even making battle gear, like we said, they were making um gloves, they're making hats, they're making all these things in the same time as they're also have this underlying urgency of a sail industry, of this industry of the sails. And she talks about how it was in her mind, it would have been, because I guess if I'm sending my sons on a boat, it is a labor of love. Like I think she's obviously, but it would have been a labor of love. You would have and this enterprise of these Vikings going out, is I would know that I am the one actually, once again, the women facilitating any adventure or voyage or anything a man can even dream of, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:16

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And go and what I love about the Norse is um, you know, people try to categorize them. Like, are they the polarized indigenous? Are they more this the Sami? Were they more influenced by that type of culture, or the European or the Germanic? And both of those cultures had a pretty a divide between women and men's roles in everything. And the Norse, for some reason, that they're finding that divide is less distinct.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:51

There's very so many similarities to come to compare, yeah. The Sami's and then even you go to the North American tribes and yeah, clans.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:04

And it and for some reason they didn't adapt that. Maybe it's because they needed all hands on deck, pardon the pun, but or or you know, they didn't have machines, they didn't they needed everyone. Yeah, you know, the men, the men could the men could knit if they needed to, the men could bake bread, all the children grew up watching all these industrial activities, and it would have been so fun. Oh, I know everyone's like doing something and building things and making it pretty and making it innovating felt. And um, we even have an ancestor, this is later Denmark, 1800s, who was known for her innovative socks she would knit that became waterproof because she knit in strips of leather in them. And so they were always innovating different ways for their people to go do things.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:03

Yeah. And to think like the most exciting part of any book or story or anything is for me is always like we're talking again, like the Walking Dead, is the preparation. Yeah. The getting ready for winter, the the fortifying your home to the preparation. I mean, even coming home from the grocery store, that feeling after you've stored away all the cereal, and it's that feeling. And I feel like it would be a perpetual state of preparation, yeah, which would be exciting, I think, and feeling like you're part of this big, exciting movement that is happening. And um, I don't know, it says that uh there's a quote, a Latin proverb that says, to win a war quickly takes long preparation. So it was also kind of a sign of they they didn't see themselves as as a flash in the pan, or that this was you know, a quick trip here, a quick raid here, just like in Thornfin or his name, first name is Thornfin, but Goodrid. Okay. They were not going, they were going to establish a home and a place and a land on this other continent. They didn't know it was a different continent, but well, you might have figured out they had no idea what the heck where they by the end of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:29

I think they maybe knew it was a bigger but um yeah, so well, and you're right, and you know what's neat is in learning about the actual ship building that that's been hard for them to recreate too, because of all the they they weren't sure how their ships could even go because they seem to like float above the water. They kind of have sides and flat and um and they're learning by rebuilding it how interesting. So these ships are huge, made to go over the North Atlantic to go to China and Asia and down sail on, but they didn't have the big long keels that normally keep a sailboat upright. They were almost the keel was the whole boat, so you could go in a river and get all your oars out and go up the river and take Paris, or you could use that same to go across the Atlantic, and then when you get across the Atlantic, you could go up the river, but yeah, this this um group that just recreated the dragon ship did go across, and then they were proving how far the um Vikings could have gotten into America. So they went down Vinland and they actually got into the Great Lake Lakes with the same ship. So it could do canals, it can do oceans with the same sail and the same oars. Yeah. And so I mean they really were preparing for anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:13

Yeah. They could go in really shallow water. No wonder they took England so so by surprise. Because they could they could row up and then just keep on rowing. And there was a way in there.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:27

Yeah. And and I was for some reason I was reading about the all things or the sacred spaces where they would gather and one of the reasons they would make sure they they had their gatherings in the stupidest place for a battle you could ever think of. So it was a place where anyone who knew about war could stand there and say, I have 80 places ways to exit this. I can exit in that river over there. I could exit in the dock I could um which I thought was interesting because you've got a civilization of people that are prepared for anything.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:08

And you know you they even got together on a place piece of land that no one could screw them over because they all knew everyone could escape in a million different ways. That's hard.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:22

I mean any case I that's um so you're saying that all the all things were on pieces of land where they would never be able to have a battle?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:39

Yeah because that way they always had them in groves and things like that? And and big open places where you could see a ship coming over the horizon. You could see you had a mountain behind you and you knew they couldn't like okay it wasn't a great place to have a battle so that's a good place to have a community meeting because you couldn't fight very well.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:04

Because what a great opportunity for an enemy to come take out everybody in one swoop.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:10

So I mean I just think just the preparation and then you think about the you know when we were little and we'd play and you'd you'd keep playing out in the woods or something and you'd be starting to I would realize I would start well I was a weird little girl probably but as you start to learn how to climb up a tree or you learn how to make something or you're playing with rocks and you get better and better and better at it I loved that thing about how pretty soon I could do something I didn't I could go as high in the tree that I didn't think I could get up there but I figured it out but it took a few days and you know and I thought my job as a kid is to play this is my job and I'm thinking if you're a you know in that homestead how many generations it took to learn let's dip this wool into the salt water let's rub it with this rock and you know it's so innovative but think about all the you know of doing a stupid job like let's play with the sheep wool in the salt water and what it turned into yeah I don't know that's a dumb thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:22

I always think about that how do they come up with these things? Like how do they and and a lot of it I don't know there's studies done on the importance of play but the a lot of it if if you want to make the humanity's childhood be a time of play when they were discovering all of these things I think it and their your region that you're in and the tools that you have and you know how do they figure out that felting maybe it was some kid messing around with the wool and yeah doing it wrong or I mean it's just so many layers of wisdom over generations to figure that out.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:05

And the fact that um there's always these debates over whether the Norse people were good parents or not or mostly like not so great or neutral nurturing or anything like that. But what you do see is they did let them do dangerous things. The kids had to work everyone had to do stuff but there were no jobs because of their communal way of life all of facets of adult life child participated in and saw and from making babies to having babies to you know they they could help with the mead they could help with the sails or the ship or all that water the food yeah everything. Yeah they can help with battle they you know their little swords they probably you know but um so I think there's something to that that's how they probably the child was always there figuring it out I don't know I'm not you leading us to end with the footprint on the boat yes I wasn't leading us there but that's you just did okay Sarah so end with it there yeah I don't think I researched it enough well I um one of the things that we'll learn in this preparation is while Gudred is preparing she's pregnant so she not only is going to get on the ship and go to the North Atlantic pregnant right we think we think yeah anyway she had a baby once she got there so there we know that children were on board these Viking ships and traveling with them and learning and a part of their society and um do you want me to find out oh sorry go ahead yes please find it out because I wasn't ready to talk about it. Okay. We talked last week about um those the birch bark drawings of the one child that had the picture of him and his dad with their he had his own little swords and um children were just very much involved and so in one of these boat burials that they were able to pull up um and one of the niche learning is fun to learn about graffiti of a civilization or a culture or things that they didn't mean for everyone to see necessarily just like everyday life. Do you have it? Not yet um I think it was Heather Pringle or it would have been the I don't know who it was. But anyway Barricloth Embers of the Hand yeah yeah and she uh Barricloth I think V-A-R-R-A-C-L-O-U-P-H is a pretty cool scholar um right now I'm reading one of the books she wrote about Valkyries and warrior women but she she always weaves in archaeological foundations um with the mythical she does that in a in a good way but she talks about the ship that was found um and that's what we're trying to find it she let's see where is it the nation yeah let me find it to put out right yeah there's no it's not in the she must have her actual yeah it's gonna be that easy but no she wants to go with the was it her was it the Oathberg ship maybe it wasn't her I feel like it was her but maybe not maybe it was the Northwoods lady I don't feel like Northwoods ever had like somebody actually has a drawing of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:29

Yeah I can see it in my head. Maybe it's Neil Price Oh yeah but she wrote he didn't write it cutesy she wrote it kinda cute yeah I know and I I should have used her book more too for um she she talks about the wool a lot too the skis oh yeah see we're gonna have to talk about yeah and I have a whole I'll send so next one do you want to talk more about travel? Is that what you're thinking yeah we could talk about what they would put in their ship yeah I don't know I don't know yeah that's for sure because this was we're at one hour and 15. So I think the next episode be what they're putting in the ship.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:24

Yeah I have on our disc staff no the sales are so important um because you're right and where you were going with it was cool because it's a mother and and that links to the mystical stuff of the sails and the the uh oh yes I'm sorry that they put on it and all that but why can't why can't we find the foot I mean we could just google it oh okay let me see oh board Viking carved outline of foot uh somebody used a video would it have been a video no somebody used it to sum up like a whole chapter I know Hannah Anastad in the Viking Museum says my guess is sometime or another person was bored and traced his foot with a knife.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:27

Yeah so the sni svenfiel king boarsnout or swine array was a wedge shaped foot formation used by Vikings oh no that's not it holy cow that's not it at all that's how they fought Viking had floorboards a young and bored Viking carved an outline of his right foot on the floorboards of the goat stad ship that's it yeah um but eight ninety AD Maybe it's Neil okay one ninety eight one ninety nine on Neil I don't see him being oh yeah he talks a lot about the runes which we have to talk about. Oh yeah for sure well anyway we can sum it up in a beautiful way we were touched by it I would so we know the boat. So the boat it was found do you want to tell it? You can tell it um is it Osberg or was it goat goats Gokstad ship floor it's a Viking boat in 890 so they found it but what it is is it's on a boat a Viking boat is a little foot outlined carved into the boat an outline of his little foot um and they don't can't explain why right there's a lot of speculation was it a like you were saying a bored little kid for some reason put his foot there um Vikings were very very into almost magically if you claim claiming something made it almost take on extra powers or something. Right. So when they finally when they wouldn't to claim a spot of land now I'm going off just claim but then we have to end this this that's okay. To claim a spot of land you wouldn't just put your name on it you had to bury something there right and so you had to bury a possession on a pot of land and that's how you claimed your land you had to put your name on something they find combs and all these kind of artifacts with just like Houdred's cone your comb or this this shield belongs to cigarette or um so putting your name putting your identific I yourself on actual material things gave it kind of a more did something for them made it more powerful they put their blood on a rune they carved yeah so it was almost a in a magical sense a religious sense or even just a logistical sense. So this little boy or girl carved her little foot on this big daddy boat you know with all the oarsmen and the shields and the big talking going on. It's like the kids in the back of my car driving things you know on the window I have no idea what I drove like 1200 miles with penises on the back of my window so why so this little Viking kid is carving his foot on the floor of this ship and it was found you know a long year.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:16

Taken seriously by archaeologists and and it's just a nice reminder that they were human and the fact that a kid with a foot that small traveled on a ship with the industry behind the knife and all that industry right propelling him all behind it propelling him yeah and a mother's blessing as she wove that sail yeah get him across hopefully she knew he was on there I don't know and it's interesting yeah because if if self was put into possessions if self was put into material things then you're sailing under your mom's protection literally you could look up at the sale and think of your mom and your family your wife your farm your sheep like everything that went into making that sale for you it's kind of alone in the world I think that's what we do with history or genealogy is we're we're trying to think about all the people that put themselves into our life you know so we could just drink diet coke and yes do things yeah we're looking for our sales to look up to what sale do you look up to yes yes all right okay so good all right so next time we talk more about packing you're gonna talk about all that I'm so excited for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:48

You want to too yeah I can you can do whatever you want to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:54

Okay are you talking about the material stuff that goes in the boat and then the the spells the charms thinking I have I have on the disdaff drive like stuff I've been gathering.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:08

Okay let's do it I'll just be ready to back you up oh cut no the disdaff podcast dot com distaff podcast dot gmail dot com thanks for listening