T-Shirts, The Met Gala & What Are We Even Wearing?

In this episode, Dina and Jules chat about the struggle of finding something as basic as a good T-shirt — and how getting dressed has somehow become more complicated over time. We talk about changing styles, what feels good now, and why what used to work doesn’t always hit the same.

We also touch on the wider world of fashion — including the Met Gala — and how disconnected it can sometimes feel from real life. It’s an easy, honest conversation about style, comfort, and trying to make sense of what we actually want to wear these days.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:05

Hi Jules! Hi Dina! Welcome to every day! Something like us! We are back and we are back. Yes, we are. We are going to talk a little bit about fashion today.

SPEAKER_04 0:21

In the plain sense. In the plain sense. We talk about well, the topic that we're not so much a topic, we're gonna just call it the this frustration or the the confusion for the for the for the week.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 0:36

Starting off with t-shirts. Yes. So what was your big struggle? My struggle is well, firstly, you know, you kind of go, I went to a stage years ago, because you know, now in my 50s, where I went, I'm not wearing t-shirts anymore. Like t-shirts are a bit like seriously, you have to wear a blouse, you know, something a little bit more elegant, maybe. And then you look like a grandma, grandma, or a frilled neck lizard, or a puffer fish, or I remember one shirt or t-shirt that I got, and it was very um, it looked like a you know, doilies, you know, the yeah, for the kitchen tack. Yeah, that's what my sister said. You look like you're wearing a doily on your on you. So um, I have a credit note through a very um prestigious brand in France, and I gotta use it up, right? And the dilemma was like, I don't really want to buy a sweatshirt because you know I love my sweatshirts, but I mean, how many logo sweatshirts can you own? And then you go, you know, this looks too casual, you know. Like, what are you gonna? So I have a dilemma of do I get a logo t-shirt or do I get a plain t-shirt? Now, do you know how many frickin' different styles of t-shirts? So you've got the ones with the really big logos, and you go, uh, I look too much like I'm going for prom, you know, like the college, a college student in the United States. That's not gonna happen. And what would you but you could, you know, make change it up with you know some dress pants and make it look different. I'm work, I'm on that. I can deal with that. And then there's other style t-shirts, then there's the boat neck t-shirt. Like you gotta be careful with the boat neck. V-neck, v-neck and I don't get along. I'm not sure about you. V, V and I don't get we're we're not happening. I don't know what it is, but it's just a style.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

Yeah, yeah. Usually I I mean I have a few, but usually I don't wear a P.

SPEAKER_04 2:31

I used to, and it's just like, yeah, nah. Yeah, it's a good sports t-shirt, but it's not a t-shirt. And now, now they've got these other ones where the sleeve goes down to the elbow. Oh gosh. And I go, yeah, nah.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

No, it's gonna look like a wrapper.

SPEAKER_04 2:46

And then you can also and then you can see they've got a logo on the elbow because that's gonna really make a fucking difference because everyone's gonna go, wow, nice t-shirt. And then you go, and then there's cut the colours, then there's you know, oh break out of the white, yeah, and I'll go something daring, like red or brown.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Brown seems to be the new thing, or it's just it's so and after two hours of trying to decide ordering it, it arrives, and you have to send it back.

SPEAKER_04 3:18

I put it on and go, it's just a t-shirt, but wait for it. It's not just it's a 75 euro t-shirt.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

Ooh la la. Ooh la la. Ooh la la. Ooh lala.

SPEAKER_04 3:28

It must be French. It's a French, it's a French, it's made in like Cambodia.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

But I was watching um interview with Victoria Beckham about t-shirts, yes, okay. And until the interviewer or the podcaster really pointed it out, I didn't realize she has a perfect t-shirt, right? Of course, of course, it's her brand, right? But it's just very fitted, like you know, it fits perfectly, but it's not tight, okay. It's just like normal uh fitting, yeah, straight fitting, and then it has these sleeves that just kind of come out a little bit. So that flare out, yeah, yeah, but not too much, they're not big, they're just fruit-fruit, and shoulder pads, shoulder pads, and it totally gives her such a nice frame and shape. And I was thinking, oh my god, that's so true. Because if you get a tight t-shirt, it's very tight around the arms as well, yeah, and then you look like a sausage because your arms are like exploding, exploding because you're trying to, yeah, but then you know, maybe on the waist it looks okay until you sit down and your roll rolls, and your and your body shape shaping um underwear is not working at the true and then you start getting raw. So you know, and the material is also very yeah, absolutely. It has to be between it cannot be too thin and it cannot be too thick.

SPEAKER_04 5:10

No, but it's impossible, it's an impossible function. But how pathetic is like when you think about it, right? We used to be able to wear t-shirts that we could just spend $20 on, um, and and it would be fine. But now there's the they've even complicated a t-shirt. Do you know what I mean? Like it's either too long, too short. Like I bought some from um Massimo Duty last year, like a linen blend. I love the linen blend, though you do look like you've never ironed it within an hour sitting in the car. You have to wear that only when you're standing. And then, and because last year, because you know, I've gone back into the gym and my arms were I will say stop showing off. My arms weren't as uh muscly as they are now. Just uh so I had like you know what we would call in Australia tuck shop arms. Do you know what tuck shop arm is? It's like a working in a in a fish and chip shop. Oh so they weren't as tight as a chicken winged. Oh, so they were a little bit dimpy, and so I just kept being so paranoid that I was wearing this muscle with these like dimpy arms. I'm like, I'm gonna have to work on this.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

So it's like no So to this year you can show up your masculine t-shirt.

SPEAKER_04 6:33

I can wear it. I can wear it. But it's true, it's just it's so complicated, and I was struggling that I even needed to. I I actually uh went as far as handballing it to my sister because I would always do hard. I went, pick a friggin' t-shirt. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Pick a t-shirt. But don't you feel when you get into a uh a shop, whatever clothing shop, and then you see all these pieces and like too daunting, yeah. And at first you're like, oh, I would so wear this, and I would so wear that, and yeah, that looks amazing. Then I start picking out like pants, for example. Oh gosh, all the pants are like one meter longer than my than my legs, yeah. And the t-shirt is either or her blouse is either too see-through or you know, too baggy, or and then you're like, oh my gosh, as much as you try to change your style or try to wear something new, it's so difficult.

SPEAKER_04 7:32

It is really difficult. And I try to, I've always like been on that precipice of like rock girl image. I like that, I like the you know, sort of like the you know, the black rocker t-shirt with with a stylish pair of pants. But then when I put it on, you know, these models just look fantastic in the legs for days. But knowing that, like, have we can I just say something? Have you seen their websites that they use for some of these? So the site that I looked at is the girls have no boobs. Yeah, there's no boobs. No boobs, no hips, no way, no hips and no waist.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

And at least a meter 80.

SPEAKER_04 8:10

When they when they write, extra small is uh uh 72 size waist. I'm like, how can you have a waist that's I know you know? I thought, oh my waist has gone down, and I'm still pushing, you know, 70s, 8 or whatever it is, and I think, how can you have 70? That's not even possible. Zampig baby, that's what it is. I need to get an azempic t-shirt. Oh, I need to get a t-shirt that says I do not take ozempic. Yeah, can you tell?

SPEAKER_02 8:44

But talking about ozempic and fashion, did you see the mat? Oh my god, father. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 8:52

I don't know how could you avoid it?

SPEAKER_02 8:54

So this year, I don't know how whether all of you have seen it, but the mat has turned into a Halloween fest. Like, what is a ghoul show on? Either they're showing off their boobs or they are like hot or lack of or lack of or they're like these armored suits, and it just looks awful.

SPEAKER_04 9:19

Like either too much or too little, so they're either wearing too much or too little.

SPEAKER_02 9:23

Yeah, I mean, Matt used to be, of course, always very exclusive and very like artsy. I understand. I never I never really used to follow it to be honest. I mean, I always used to wait for these extravagant dresses and all that, but this year I was like, what is happening?

SPEAKER_04 9:41

I just saw the first photo that popped up on my screen when I logged into Instagram in the morning was the Heidi Klum. She was dressed as a statue.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

Yeah, she was dressed as a statue.

SPEAKER_04 9:52

Wasn't she didn't she wear something last year where they were mocking her where it was like a vinyl like it stuck to her body? But that was not the Met, right? No, it wasn't the Met, but it was something else.

SPEAKER_02 10:04

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, she's always okay. I understand she does really uh great uh uh character costumes for Halloween, but this is not Halloween. I don't even know what that was. And you know how she does Halloween costumes, right? She does like this Does she transform crazy transformation?

SPEAKER_04 10:22

Isn't she like a host to uh like a German's top model or something, rather? Is that who we talk about? Is that how she used to be, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

And then she was in hosting this other one for like designers, designer, yeah. Right, right. Um, but like a runaway and stuff. Yeah, yeah. But um, yeah, and then all these kids were there, like Beyonce's daughter, and I have no comment. Uh Nicole Kidden's daughter, and I was like, Nicole Kidden's daughter looked cute. I like it. No, no, I'm not talking about the looks, but like, what are these kids doing there? Like, right? Like, okay, taking them to like an award show or something, but it just it was just weird.

SPEAKER_04 11:05

I don't know. Come on, we we can't miss uh Black Lively's entrance in her chiffon in her curtain curtain curtain curtain looking.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

It's like dude, that's an entrance.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

And like people were like, What the hell is she doing?

SPEAKER_02 11:22

What are you doing there? I think she came when uh probably the whole runway was closed. I mean the whole red carpet was closed. Either closed, or she got there early. Well, she wasn't invited, so she must stay. Oh my gosh, that saga with Blake Lively has to end. I cannot watch any more news on that lawsuit.

SPEAKER_04 11:46

Dismissed or whatever it was. We don't know, we don't know. We'll never be the number the wise as some people say it's dismissed or whatever. But Jesus, talk about talk about wanting to stay, you know, present or you know, active in the media.

SPEAKER_02 11:59

And I'm so upset about it because I really enjoyed that movie.

SPEAKER_04 12:05

Yeah, I did too, actually. No, I watched it, yeah, I did. And I thought it was a good, uh, probably one of the better depictions of a book, you know.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

And and it was really like I don't know, I I really connected with it and I really got into it, and yeah, you know, everything was not it was not a bad movie, and now she just ruined it all. Yeah, yeah. Like with all this nonsense publicity stuff, and it's totally unnecessary. Yeah, they could have just promoted the film, and if she had any issues with him, solve it, right? Like it's not necessary to pull everything through court.

SPEAKER_04 12:39

Some people dismount the attention. Maybe she was trying to. I'm maybe she wanted a uh Johnny Depp and the Heard scenario, but even that didn't end well.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

That was another.

SPEAKER_04 12:54

Do you I still I just still remember? I mean, I shouldn't laugh because there's obviously seriousness to it. There's a lot of seriousness to it with when it comes to alcohol and domestic violence, like I said, you know.

SPEAKER_02 13:04

Yeah, but they almost don't do justice to it. Like to the women who actually to the women who actually do go through this, yeah, they mock it. Like this isn't a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 13:14

They made it into a publicity stunt, and worst of all, you know, like Johnny Depp came out on top. Like I I still remember, you know, some of the questions that it just made it made her defense team look ridiculous. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 13:28

I don't know, is it the lawyer's fault or is it just because it's so scared of it's a culmination of everything and so fake. I don't know, like, but yeah, it's it's unnecessary.

SPEAKER_04 13:38

And it is bad because once it does hit media, as it was, it was very and no one wins out of that. Everyone just looks, everyone's gonna have their own, you know, pick at it, but Amber Heard did not come out of it as you know, as as clear and bright as well.

SPEAKER_02 13:53

And the funny thing is that they both kind of not I wouldn't say look alike, but they both remind me of each other. Amber Heard and Blake Lively. Like, I don't know, like they're just Oh, as in personality. Yeah, personality and the the way they act and all like that. They're quite similar. Like, so whenever I I see this two cases, I put them together.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, why?

SPEAKER_04 14:17

Why oh the black thing was just too much from the start. It was I think it just took everyone by surprise.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

But you know, like she's not I think I think she did herself a great injustice because she's she wasn't a bad actress and she had a few okay movies.

SPEAKER_04 14:37

But did you see if you watch the one that she weared the one that was she was with? Sorry, I don't know how we got into Blake Lively now, but we're on a roll now. Um the one with Michele Morone. Oh my gosh. That what was it called?

SPEAKER_02 14:53

I forgot what it was. It was terrible, it was that it was that forgettable. That was bad.

SPEAKER_04 14:57

Because it was just uh, let's see how many different outfits I can move.

unknown 15:01

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

And he knows super hot.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

Yeah, we oh my gosh, Michele Michele cannot act. You cannot act Michele Marona, we like you, but uh you're not not uh not a good best.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

He he has now this ad for hell, hell it's called hell, the drink drink, like uh energy drink, yeah, like a response. Yeah. Did you see it? So every time you walk into the consum, which is the Croatian supermarket.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

Oh that I can see it. Oh yes, it looks like his eyes are freaking following him, and I'm like, okay, take it easy.

SPEAKER_04 15:42

You okay, baby girl?

SPEAKER_00 15:44

He looks so intense, and he's just staring at me. What was that line he said? Is it was it are you okay? Something about baby girl, yeah. Yeah, baby girl. You're okay, baby girl. Okay, baby girl. But you gotta love him. You gotta love him.

SPEAKER_04 16:02

But yeah, the struggles of like dressing appropriately for your age, and then you've got the Metgala, which is completely on on a new level. But it's just it's really, you know, it's hard, it's it's it's so it's hard to get that like medium.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

And don't you think that on certain days you just feel like oh yeah, I want to look like amazing, and I want to look classy and you know, expensive.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

That's it, and then the next day you're like back in sneakers, I'm gonna wear my sweatpants and I don't care. Look at me now.

SPEAKER_04 16:38

I remember what I remember it happened to me a month ago, and you you were saying to me, I don't understand why you're like so upset. Because I said I went into Mass Madonna like I'm gonna look elegant, I'm gonna wear none of these freaking logo t-shirts. I'm gonna wear, yeah, I'm gonna get a skirt. Yes, I'm gonna do it. And I take them home and try them on because you know, change room, change room light.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

Oh gosh, don't go there.

SPEAKER_04 17:07

Don't go there. It is not only is it slimming, but it's very, you know, like it's some of them uh Zara is out there that's really bright. You get what's up with those lights? You get the picture in Zara.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

They like want to make you feel super bad exposed so that you don't buy the clothes.

SPEAKER_04 17:24

It's like great, now I'm gonna have to go size up. In Zara, it's just shocking, but Massimo is very smart, it's dimly lit, everything looks perfect. Then you take it home, and the eye ended up no skirt, no dress, no top, nothing, nothing, because it all looked like I was dressing like a clown. And you go, but how? Like, you know, when you you were prepped up, this is it, this is the new look.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

I swear to you, I don't try clothes in shops because of those lights. Yeah, exactly. Because I was depressed for two weeks after I was in London in one of these shops, and that light was neon lights stream, yeah, yeah. And I look, of course, being winter time, I didn't look at my legs that often, and I looked at my legs in the mirror and I was like, Thanks very much. My gosh. So um, I don't try clothes, I take them home. I take them home, and then I end up taking.

SPEAKER_04 18:23

I just I was so disappointed, and you remember you saying, Why are you crying? I'm like, you know, when you just you know I was there in my head, I could envisage this new outfit, and it's like, no, no, no, no, no. I know, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:36

And uh there's the thing, and then I always go back to being the same things that I keep wearing because that's what makes me feel comfortable.

SPEAKER_04 18:45

Because I've always been a denim t-shirt, need I say. Always. I've just always felt comfortable with sneakers. And then, yeah, like you said, sometimes you just want to be able to so, like, you know, I was invited to a few functions recently, and um uh and I opened up my wardrobe and I had that moment where I went, I've got nothing to wear. And I've got dresses, but then I went, I've got no shoes. Like, no shoes, none. Especially when it's not hot. Yeah, so it's that in between you can't wear boots. Yeah, what am I gonna wear? High heels, come on, babe, you see me in a pair of high heels? Exactly. I was like, my I was having a coronary trying to get dressed. Do I wear stockings? I'll be wearing stockings. Then I get to that function and people are wearing sandals. I'm like, but it's not the warm up. I'm confused.

SPEAKER_02 19:37

That's the worst time for me as well to get dressed, like dressy, yeah. So in the house, you can't wear sneakers on a dress, and you can't wear boots.

SPEAKER_04 19:46

Yeah, and I know you say, you know, like be what you're comfortable in, but it's really difficult because when you go to certain functions, you're either uh overdressed or underdressed, and then trying to be comfortable at the same time. So yeah, it's really especially here in you know in Europe as we know, people do get dressed up. I know, sometimes I went to Zagreb one day and it was the week after I think it was a week after your son had the first communion. So obviously they were doing first communion, and I was looking at the mothers of the children. Oh my god, they were dressed in like ball gowns, they were just elaborate.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

Yeah, and they they do like these pictures. Like as if it's a wedding, you know, like it's so it's huge, it's a big thing though, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 20:38

Apparently, here's the thing.

SPEAKER_02 20:39

But usually used to be used, you you used to be a family, like you know, you like small, kind of just your clothes. I did. I mean I wore a dress. I wore a dress because I just think for me that's the easiest thing to do. Um, but again, you know, it's kind it was kind of like what shoes were you wearing like on that? I wore those um, they're not sandals, but they're like clothes in front and a bag.

SPEAKER_04 21:07

Yeah, yeah. Um speaking of which I've gotta show you this um uh brand of Esperad Esper how you call it Esperadillo. Mm-hmm Esperilla Castanet Have you ever said the Spanish brand?

SPEAKER_02 21:20

Oh god how good they are but usually when I see those I feel like oh my gosh, they are going to hurt my face. Oh I've got to show you they are incredible. Yeah, I'll show you that again. Um but yeah, so I didn't, you know, like again, I didn't know do you get dressed really like because it's a daytime event as well, so it's not easy to to choose what to do where but yeah, I just went for an easy dress and that's it. But I got these amazingly comfortable shoes the other day. Okay. Sneakers, of course. Because we can't do that. And they're cold. And they're cold? No name. No name. And I from France? When I put them on, I felt like I was walking on clouds. Excellent. And you know, having trouble with choosing the right pair of shoes now with my feet and walking a lot and all that. I felt like I was reborn. So good. It's so important to have a good pair and comfortable pair of shoes.

SPEAKER_04 22:30

Because I've always been a I wear premiata. Um but they have become very narrow, but they are like cushions. And like I have to say, I've got a pair that for three years now. And I've bought a new pair now. But the new balance work bad for me. Yeah. Um those not the new balance running shoes, because I work betwe I toss between them and the brooks, but those fashion shoes.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

Yeah, they are they messed up my whole work.

SPEAKER_04 23:01

Yeah. They mess both of our feet. I just get this ankle pain because I just feel there's just not enough for me. I mean, I can't complain that people love them, no doubt. But um, there's not enough uh arch support.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

Yeah. They are okay when you go like for short while summer, but they're not for walking like you and I do it or when you travel and walk a lot. No, no, they're not.

SPEAKER_04 23:23

Now I ruined them in France, and now I couldn't work out why my feet were always sore. Like I was more comfortable in a sandal than I was in those shoes, and that's what it was. Yeah. The new balance. Oh my god, oh so at least we determined what it was, but there must be something wrong with it, yeah, ergonomically. They haven't comfy shoes.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

Oh, it makes a big difference. Yeah, especially like for your your feet control your whole well they balance, they carry exactly, they carry the entire weight of your body. So and the big toe apparently is also connected very much with your back. Is it? Yeah, so that's why when you wear those uh flip-flops, it's very bad. Yeah, it's very bad.

SPEAKER_04 24:05

I've got a pair of flip-flop thongs, as we call them in the streets.

SPEAKER_02 24:08

It's bad to walk along because your toes are constantly trying to kind of grip on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's where you mess up. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_04 24:20

My sisters um sent me uh last year for my birthday a pair of um called archies. So they're they're like flip-flops or thongs, we call them, or slides, mills, uh, with an arch built-in arch support. Oh, change my life. Change my life so you can, you know, yeah, it's more stable.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

It's more stable. Flop around, which is what literally with your t-shirt.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

So, yeah, as you can tell, we're back to our our comfy comfy clothes. We haven't we haven't changed our styles yet.

SPEAKER_04 25:00

We haven't gotten there yet.

SPEAKER_02 25:01

Maybe we need to get a stylist.

SPEAKER_04 25:03

We might we might do we might do a big launch on annual look and see what you think.

SPEAKER_02 25:07

But but you know what they do in in England now? All the big department stores, you can book a stylist. It's a free service from the department store. Right. You book a stylist and he picks and chooses what he thinks or she thinks you should wear. Wow. I would probably been like, yeah, yeah. You love that now, don't you?

SPEAKER_04 25:33

Yeah, nah.

SPEAKER_05 25:35

I would probably be like perfectly sure.

SPEAKER_04 25:38

That's like a total bias opinion. What's your what's your budget? Well, not what your budget exactly. Imagine he picks like a thousand five hundred new.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

But sometimes I feel like I need that. I need someone else to pick into something that they think, or obviously they have to do something. Totally. They have to have some sense in fashion. I know.

SPEAKER_04 26:03

I always think to myself, what's wrong with me? When did I got to the point where I don't know how to dress?

SPEAKER_02 26:09

It's because we overthink it. When we were young, we were like, throw on whatever.

SPEAKER_04 26:14

I used to get a yeah, look, basics. I and I love, I love these women. There's a woman that I follow on Instagram who's from Australia. Um, she does capsule wardrobes. Love it. You know, they get the whole new, she's got it all down pat. And then when I try to try, it's like I can't even do a capsule wardrobe. Where am I gonna go and get a capsule wardrobe? Where do I get this capsule from?

SPEAKER_02 26:41

A note to all the brands, put one section with the capsule. Capsule wardrobe! There we go. We want a capsule wardrobe. Okay, I hope we entertain you enough with our t-shirts and our clothing delivery moments. And uh yeah, share with us your moments or what your tips might be to changing styles and and upgrading the wardrobes. Yeah, capsule. Capsule. What's your capsule? And we shall see you next week.

SPEAKER_03 27:17

Next week, thanks for tuning in for tuning in. Thanks, guys. Bye bye.