Loved and Listed
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From Hilary’s stunning renovations to David’s market-savvy listings, we’ll explore what worked, what didn’t, and what still inspires us years later. Expect thoughtful commentary, a dash of humor, and plenty of appreciation for the timeless blend of home, heart, and HGTV magic.
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Loved and Listed
Love It or List It Season 1 Episode 13 Rewatch & Recap
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Recap of Love It or List It Season 1 Episode 13. We break down the renovations, the house hunt, and whether the homeowners made the right decision to love it or list it.
And welcome back to our favorite. Well, I don't know, maybe my second favorite show right now. Tell anyone.
SPEAKER_00Love is blind.
SPEAKER_01I know. I'm so addicted to Love is Blind. And like you have to stay off social media right now because it's actually kind of ridiculous how many spoilers there are with some of the um like updates. Because they have the reunion. So I don't know.
SPEAKER_00And also for context, we live in Columbus, which is where Love is Blind is was filmed.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00We have spoilers on like Facebook and friends and people people that know people, which is so weird because yeah, it's just anyway.
SPEAKER_01Back to this show. Love it or list it, season one, episode 11. Scott and Victoria.
SPEAKER_00I thought it was Steve and Victoria.
SPEAKER_02No, I think it's Scott. It's Scott.
SPEAKER_01A hundred percent. 75% sure. It's Scott.
SPEAKER_00Starts with Vanessa.
SPEAKER_01It could be Scott and Victoria. It could be Steve and Vanessa. I don't really know.
SPEAKER_00It could be Steve and Vanessa.
SPEAKER_01It could.
SPEAKER_00Or it could be Steve and Victoria. Anyways.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, we start out meeting Scott with a question mark. And Victoria, also question mark. And we're told that they have a two-bedroom Victorian house. This house is tiny.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I mean it's classic Victorian house. Like it reminded me of like Victorian Village.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but also like it I felt like it was kind of weird. We'll kind of get into it, but the house is pretty big. It's like 23, 2400 square feet and two bedrooms. That's crazy. So anyway, first glance, there's strollers everywhere.
SPEAKER_00There's shoes. They don't have a lot of strollers. They have two kids, so they have three strollers just sitting on the back deck. And sitting like right in front of the door.
SPEAKER_01Right in front of the door. That's a fire hazard, first of all. Like, come on. This is silliness. But anyway, they have their strollers, they have shoes. You see their like big, cluttery, chaotic mess.
SPEAKER_02So he says, we gotta get out of here.
SPEAKER_01He sounds so Canadian. I'm like immediately like reminded. Like, we are in Canada, by the way. He he has the Canadian accent, like down to a T, like perfect. Reminds me of my family.
SPEAKER_00My favorite part of the first scene was the quote unquote slanted floor that the kid would literally throw his ball and it would roll back to him. Like that's not slightly stant slightly.
SPEAKER_01That is it, like tilted.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01But literally they're like, he can play catch by himself. I was like, oh, huh. He can. He like pushes the little ball and then it just like wheels right on back. So that was kind of crazy. Anyway. Production on this show, this time around, shows us that like the end. They show us okay. They chose here, they chose violence, first of all, because they showed us the end at the beginning. They showed us like the whole transformation at the beginning. I don't feel like they usually do that whole thing like that, right? They don't usually do that. Like they showed us, yes, because I sat there. I said, I just saw their new house. I just saw their house. The whole like transformation, the whole kitchen. They showed the whole thing right there at the beginning.
SPEAKER_00I need to rewatch the first five minutes then, because I don't remember that.
SPEAKER_01I watching it, I basically said, Well, I can scroll to the end because I know exactly what everything's gonna happen. I was like, this was a production fail here. I don't feel like they usually do that.
SPEAKER_00An editing fail.
SPEAKER_01Yes, it was really, really weird. You know, I really liked what I saw though. I was like, oh, wow, okay. This is nice, this looks good, but also shouldn't know it yet. Like, kind of just like, you know, gave us the end. Anyway, they kind of turned the kitchen from like a goofy looking hodgepodge of chaos into like something really beautiful. But I said, also I don't need to know that right now. Like, let me get there. So we're told that they purchased their 2,500 square foot home three years ago, and they were happy with the two bedrooms and their large kitchen. And I said, somebody show me the large kitchen. Whereas they literally said, We were really happy with our two bedrooms and the large kitchen.
SPEAKER_00So I think the kitchen wasn't small. The problem was that there was a staircase in the kitchen that took up an entire wall, which took away all that storage space and all that ability to put everything there, but the floor space could be because of the way the stairs were built, there still was floor space for like moving around, but there wasn't any it was slanted, so you couldn't put anything there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so like for visual, like you have a rectangular-sized kitchen, the whole right side of it, the whole side of the kitchen is the uh staircase. So you have a huge staircase in the back of the house. So they have a regular front staircase, which is like totally normal staircase.
SPEAKER_00They have a butler staircase.
SPEAKER_01And then they have, yeah, they have their Victorian second staircase in the back, which in that home wasn't necessary.
SPEAKER_00Like that was it wasn't necessary, but as mentioned in the first scene, it is their primary staircase. It's the staircase they use every day, all day. Which so maybe just convenient because they're usually in the kitchen and they just go up those stairs. I get it. But it was mentioned multiple times. This is our primary staircase.
SPEAKER_01Yes, but also it's their primary staircase that they use for the stage of life that they're in.
SPEAKER_00So they have two small kids, they're constantly like, you know, going up to those bedrooms, but also You could just as easily walk 15 feet the other way and get to the other staircase. The house wasn't so big that it needed two staircases.
SPEAKER_01No, I mean, we have plenty, I've been in plenty of homes where two staircases make sense. Like, okay, that's understandable. But this home was just a very standard size house. They did not need that additional staircase. And if I had to choose like livable space or an extra way to get upstairs, like, come on. 100% make my kitchen bigger. So my first thought is 2,500 square feet and having two bedrooms is stupid. Stupid. So why? Why would they even do that? When they bought the home, we're told that they love the large eating kitchen, and then they show us the kitchen.
SPEAKER_00I feel like there's a lot of the house they never showed us.
SPEAKER_01Because it's 2,500 square feet, and we see this teeny tiny little space. It didn't make any sense. I think it was just really long, and that dining room, I think, was probably so. In my mind, this is a walk-in.
SPEAKER_00Two bedrooms, like I don't I never really grasped the layout of the second floor.
SPEAKER_01I know, because upstairs, there's one bedroom, there's a second bedroom, and then it had a walk-in closet.
SPEAKER_00But the walk-in closet wasn't attached to the other rooms, right?
SPEAKER_01The walk-in closet was a no.
SPEAKER_00It was from the hallway.
SPEAKER_01It was from the hallway and had a window. It had a window.
SPEAKER_00That's a bedroom.
SPEAKER_01It's like the office that we're in right now. It was not that small. Yeah, it was a bedroom.
SPEAKER_00Or an office.
SPEAKER_01Or an office. And then there's also like this I think it must have been a I don't even know what it would be. Like a nook, a loft area. Like, but it's where they put the office? Where the office was.
SPEAKER_00That was it was just what did I write?
SPEAKER_01Because it had like a Cape Cod style ceiling.
SPEAKER_00Just like a random hallway.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00To nothing.
SPEAKER_01To nothing. And I couldn't tell if it was on the third floor because I never saw them go up and down the stairs.
SPEAKER_00And they never like got a picture of the walls like behind the shelves. So I wasn't sure if like there was a bedroom entrance over there. It made no sense. The walk-in closet. Like, I couldn't tell.
SPEAKER_01Because Vanessa Victoria, she works from home. She has some sort of questionable job.
SPEAKER_00Some sort of clothing business.
SPEAKER_01I was like, what is she doing?
SPEAKER_00It looks like she likes to do it. Etsy shop.
SPEAKER_01I don't know. I was like, she was the original drop ship.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was like a dropship. Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_01So like she has stuff everywhere.
SPEAKER_00You have inventory.
SPEAKER_01Like you have inventory.
SPEAKER_00You need room for your inventory. You need room in your hallway.
SPEAKER_01Yes. So this house was just so weird. So you know, we're back to them talking about their house, why they fell in love with it, why they bought it, and they bought it for this large eating kitchen. And I'm like, where's this large eating kitchen? It doesn't really make any sense. It's this rectangular kitchen. One wall is unusable because it has a uh uh staircase. The island was just this like it was literally like 10 feet long, and it's like 10 feet long, it was like laminate. It was this really skinny, probably like 10 feet by two feet island that made zero sense. And there's one chair.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I'm like, what in the world is happening? It just doesn't make any sense.
SPEAKER_00And in the island was like, it was clearly like a later ad because the house was built in the late, like what 19th century. So like they weren't doing islands like that back then. There's probably it looked like the kitchen had been remodeled maybe in like the 60s or 50s to have like that vibe of an island. Yeah, I mean it was like just a but I mean that was 50 years ago, ready for an update, obviously. But for sure. It wasn't OG kitchen.
SPEAKER_01No, no, no. And the kitchen was also like weird because it was like a really strange-looking island that was just long and skinny, just generic looking, like apartment style refrigerator with like thousands of pictures on it. That was so stressful. I was like, every photo this family's ever taken, they just taped onto the refrigerator. I'm like, I hate it. It's stressful.
SPEAKER_00I mean, to me, like their first photo of their house just reminded me of like the times when you're like still figuring out how to balance your kids' stuff that now you have to fit with all of your stuff. Yes. And like getting it to a point where it's like able to be put away and out of sight, but still like available, which takes some like it takes some time.
SPEAKER_01It's not just like automatic. You don't just like wake up one day and you're like boom.
SPEAKER_00I mean, when our kids were that age, like we had a house that was almost half the size of that house. And we figured it out. When they got into their stuff, they got into their stuff, and it was everywhere, but like you figured it out.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You had a place to put everything.
SPEAKER_01But it was also our place was open concept, and like theirs was so like here, theirs is so like detached. Like their kitchen isn't even just like you have to go through like this skinny little door.
SPEAKER_00You could tell there used to be a door on yeah, it was like a butler door, probably. But like it was still close. Yeah, yeah, it was separated by a door, but it was like oh, and there they are.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but still I remember I mean I remember that. I remember being like, I want to be able to see them. Like you have that stage of life, but I think it's hard to think about the fact that that stage of life is so small of the time. Yeah, you are like you're in it, and that's all you can think about. Like, I want to see my kids, and then you're out.
SPEAKER_00That time in life seems way longer than it is.
unknownTrue.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Anyway, so we see a little video of their small kids, they're pretty cute, they are very small. They remind us of probably like our boys' age like difference, like probably very, very close, like a year and a half-ish.
SPEAKER_00I mean, they moved in three years ago and they had no kids.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so yeah, exactly. So they show the upstairs of the house again, like we were just talking about. And that had to be a remodeled home at least one or two times already. Because you have two bedrooms, a very large walk-in closet with a window.
SPEAKER_00It was a really good office.
SPEAKER_02Could have been an office. Hello.
SPEAKER_00And also you have two kids, like, and you have like two bedrooms. Just yeah, like one wasn't like big enough to be in a bunk bed, but like just put them in the same room.
SPEAKER_02I bet the little one though was still in a crib.
SPEAKER_00Crib in the the walls put it next to the wall. Hang up from the seat, like our kids were in the same room, both in cribs at the same time.
SPEAKER_01I know they were so close they like touch each other. Yeah. Anyway, then they say like they have a dining room, but now it's the playroom, which in any world is typical. Like everybody uses their dining room pretty much for a playroom at some point in life, and the kitchen lacks storage. I am very unsure why their kitchen has one upper cabinet. One. Yeah, one cabinet in their entire kitchen. Especially because they say they bought the kitchen, or they bought the house because of the large kitchen. You didn't notice the one cabinet?
SPEAKER_00Big kitchen, no cabinets.
SPEAKER_01Big kitchen, no space.
SPEAKER_00Thought of floor space in this kitchen, but it's because there's no cabinets.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, not floor again, like was just destroyed. It was gross. I was like, I don't know what's living under there, but bleh. All the walls are green. The paint is green in the kitchen as well. So they had white and black, checkered diner style flooring and green walls. It was a vibe.
SPEAKER_00Colors were a thing in this episode.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Oh, oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00The first house they went to see, but we'll get to that.
SPEAKER_01So again, two staircases, they have to keep the back one because it's one they use all the time. Seems very unnecessary, and I doubt in a year or two when the kids are older, they will miss that staircase. And I even before they started like getting into like what they're gonna do with the house, I was like, get rid of the staircase. Go.
SPEAKER_00And I don't I don't think we've mentioned this yet, but another thing that they really wanted was a mud room.
SPEAKER_01A mud room.
SPEAKER_00Because literally they walk in their back door, and they're in the kitchen, and they're in the kitchen, and they just drop all their stuff there. We talked about the strollers, but like they would have all their shoes and coats and everything right there in the kitchen. Right there. Which sucks.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So we have that kitchen space, and then we see clutter. It is like clutter, clutter, clutter, clutter, clutter. They have the clutter at the back door, multiple strollers, they have coats, they have shoes, they have rank rain shoes, they have boots, they have just like stuff everywhere, and there's like literally no storage.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they just haven't figured out how to store their life.
SPEAKER_01Yes, and I feel like the house again has been through multiple renovations over the years. It's just that nobody's ever figured out how to make this house like actually like functional, and they've just done like weird projects here and there to like, oh no, back when this was built, they had no closets. Let's turn this bedroom into a closet. Oh no, now we have a giant closet and we don't know what to do, and uh eh, whatever. Nobody needs to care about that. It was just really weird. So the dining room. They start they show the dining room, and it's really nice. I know they're using it as like a playroom, but I'm like, oh, this is like probably the best room in the whole house. It's big, has like nice wainscotting, colors nice.
SPEAKER_00And the house was in was decent. The house looked really nice from the outside, too, from the front.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it I mean it was cute. So this is where they totally lost me, though. The scene of them eating dinner as a family. Okay. So they had this big island in the middle of the kitchen that's long and rectangular and like you know, 10 feet 10 foot by two foot with one stool. Um, and then they have like their dining room, which is a playroom, so no table in there. So when they eat dinner as a family, the two adults stand to eat, their baby is in a high chair, and their other kid is kneeling on the only stool on around the island. Yeah, that's how they eat dinner every night. This is not ideal. It is so like not ideal, it is so chaotic that I'm like, that no, this of course you're living in total chaos because you can't even like these parents haven't even sat down to eat a meal in years. Who knows? You know, they're they're standing, they stand for every meal, that would be terrible. But I'm like, okay, not ideal.
SPEAKER_02Um, so now the mom she works from home because it's Canada and she works with her kids there.
SPEAKER_01So she works every day. We see a little like video of her working, trying to do inventory all over the place. One kid's running this way, one kid's running this way, she's holding her kid here, she's holding her kid here.
SPEAKER_03In a hallway.
SPEAKER_01In a hallway. Do they not have with two staircases? Your kids are gonna fall down. I saw no gates anywhere.
SPEAKER_02Like do they not have daycare in Canada? Right? I don't know.
SPEAKER_00I'm sure they're so weirdcare. I'm sure they do.
SPEAKER_01I've made a note here, like what does she do? We don't know yet. She just mails things.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01So anyway, they need to move. And I think back through the house, I'm like, they really don't actually. They kind of just need a dumpster and a remodel. I feel like this is their house is actually has a lot of good bones. Like, so I guess you know, especially I think because I see what happened at the end. I already know what the house looks like at the end, so I'm like, that's great. You're fine. Stupid, stupid editing. Anyway. Once again, he says, We need we need to get out of here. Like he's over it. He's like, I hate it. And now we see David and Hillary. Oh my gosh, I just realized I spent the last 20 minutes just talking about the intro. We haven't even met Hillary and David yet. I was really invested in this episode.
SPEAKER_00I was like really dug into that, that uh that first five seconds. You really did. I like just totally dissected.
SPEAKER_01Every single I just wanted to put that really big visual out there for you guys so you really knew what we were looking at.
SPEAKER_00I promise this won't be a three-hour three-hour uh podcast.
SPEAKER_01I mean, this episode, even though I I don't feel like the people were that memorable, I think everything that we see in this show is kind of memorable, but we'll kind of get to that. Hillary and David, we see them, they're here to talk to us and tell them about their process. Are we gonna love it? Are we gonna list it? So we hear what they need in order to stay in their house, they want open concept because they want to see their kids. They need built-in storage, a mud room for all their things, a private office for her, and increased storage throughout. So basically just storage, storage, storage, storage, storage.
SPEAKER_00I need storage and a mud room and an office.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So storage.
SPEAKER_01So Hillary's list isn't crazy, but the floor is. Slanted, so I'm like, okay, note that. Is that gonna be an issue? Spoiler, it's not. The floor was actually not a huge issue. The slant, they fixed it, that didn't even seem to be like a problem.
SPEAKER_00Which was surprising.
SPEAKER_01So surprising. And then to list and get the heck out of there, they need character. Shocking.
SPEAKER_00Old school charm.
SPEAKER_01Old school vagueness. Four bedrooms, at least three bathrooms, an open concept, an office, and a fenced-in yard in their neighborhood. Because duh, they all do, right? Hillary and David now are walking through their home. She's like, oh, this is actually really great. The house is great. It's just really high. Which for in I think that guy was like the homeowner, Scott, Steve, Sam.
SPEAKER_03Steve.
SPEAKER_02It was Scott. It was Scott. Okay. Anyway, he was pretty tall.
SPEAKER_01And they're like looking at all the strollers outside. And they're like, oh, this could be a great spot for the mud room. And they talk about the back staircase and how lots of people have already chosen to remove them and keeping it is an odd choice. And I'm like, oh, that's gonna go. So upstairs, I was kind of surprised because I noticed on their walkthrough that upstairs the doors were actually like white six-panel doors.
SPEAKER_02So I was like, that had to have been done more recently. Yeah. I was like, oh. That's weird.
SPEAKER_00I think I just saw the office and I was contemplating the office in my head.
SPEAKER_01You're like burning.
SPEAKER_00What was going on there for like the whole scene of them walking upstairs, and I didn't realize any of that?
SPEAKER_01It was just stuff. It was like garage shelving of drop ship items.
SPEAKER_00No idea. It was a lot to have in the hallway.
SPEAKER_01A lot. Like, how could you not just like lose your mind all the time? How are the kids not ripping those things off?
SPEAKER_00That's a good point.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, the bathroom that we see has um a pedestal sink, and I'm like, that has to go. Spoiler alert, they never mention that again. Um now David makes a really weird joke to Hillary that I'm like, these two are weird, and he makes a joke about being her master. Did you catch that?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yes. Oh, the oh, the master. And he was like, oh, just call me the master.
SPEAKER_01Oh, and I'm like, ew.
SPEAKER_00I didn't notice they had uh double doors on the master bedroom in the hallway, which is cool.
SPEAKER_02But I feel like difficult to lock.
SPEAKER_00Like I I've seen those in houses, and usually you can just like push them right open.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00Like if like that latch like on the one door like isn't put up, it's just a weird setup.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I did not think about that, but I guess we were I was noticing all the stuff, and you're like, how do they lock their primary bedroom? You know, they have kids. Anyway, anyway, so yeah, David's little comment was gross. I did not like it. So walkthrough's done, and now it's money time. So David tells them their house right now, the weight sits, is worth$700,000. Okay. And I'm like, that's a nice budget or a nice house, like worth at that time, and then their new budget to purchase is$950,000. And I said, What do they do? She ships things. But what do they ship?
SPEAKER_02She has a job too. Yeah, but they never talk about what he does. That's because he doesn't do it in the house. True. Okay, this is where I went a little bit off the rails here. For the first time ever, episode 11, I realized we're in Canada. So we're not talking American US dollars. We're talking Canadian dollars. And I'm like, wait a minute.
SPEAKER_01This whole time I've had our money in mind when I should have been thinking Canadian money.
SPEAKER_00So did you look up the I did.
SPEAKER_01Well, I did the whole conversion in 2008. The conversion rate was 73 cents to the dollar.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01So$950,000 then was actually$695,000 in today's US money. No, in US money then.
SPEAKER_03Sounds about right.
SPEAKER_01Today would be like$1.5 million. But anyway, their$950 there was like$695 here.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Sounds about right.
SPEAKER_01That's a lot.
SPEAKER_00It sounds about right for that time period, though.
SPEAKER_01I mean it is because I looked it up on the internet.
SPEAKER_00I mean, it's it sounds right because of the neighborhood they're in. They're in like a all of these houses seem to be in like an older metro area that is either highly sought after by like people who are just starting their families or are in like their prime midlife period, and they're all there to like fix up their homes but be really close to stuff downtown. Those are generally expensive homes, which would push like a million dollars today, but back then it was like 650 something. I know.
SPEAKER_01I just that was the first time I was like, oh my gosh, this isn't this is Canadian dollars.
SPEAKER_00Anyway, that was my moment of Well, I'm just realizing this, so now now I'm isn't it crazy when you think about it?
SPEAKER_01You're like, how did I not put that together until this episode? Anyway.
SPEAKER_00I just kind of was like, oh yeah, that house could be that much. I know. Then it like I mean in 2008.
SPEAKER_02That was 20. But I I'm yeah, whatever.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, Canada, US, that was a whole thing. So the recreation budget is$65,000. Hillary's pleasantly surprised, which will, spoiler alert, turn out to not be enough money. But anyway, David starts his search.
SPEAKER_00It was a good it's a good chunk for it was good at first. I would say what's the average right now, like 50?
SPEAKER_0150. Yeah. Because there's some that have like 40, 30, and then some have like 90. So yeah, probably 50.
SPEAKER_00But I think the over 50 amount has been maybe like three.
SPEAKER_01Which also made me feel like they were just really invested in their house because they were putting so much in.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I also think uh they had the free cash and they knew that if they did sell it, they'd get it back, they would get it back. It wouldn't be, and especially with the areas they're focusing on. You're focusing on the kitchen, you're focusing on you know, storage.
SPEAKER_01Storage and mudroom and things that like I mean, let's be real.
SPEAKER_00That falls highly prized for when people are looking at a house, right? For sure, especially in probably that area.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, definitely. So now Desta and Hillary are ready to go, and they're talking about what they're gonna do. It's a full gut, full gut, and of course the wall has to go in the kitchen, she says. Knock out the wall between the dining room and the kitchen. Spoiler alert, not gonna happen. And I'm like, all right, next, remove the staircase. She's going to be pissed.
SPEAKER_00He's going to be pissed.
SPEAKER_02He's going to be pissed.
SPEAKER_01They both love it. They love their staircase, but it has to go. It will allow for so much more cabinet space, which is what they need. And we see, okay. Now we see Hillary on the phone.
SPEAKER_00Oh no, before this, they do tell us they're going to build at a back deck that was sort of enclosed on two sides, yes, other than the house. And they were going to close this area in, basically expanding the square footage of the home for the mud room, which I thought great idea. Perfect idea for that house.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Anyways. Now move into the uh craziness that has not happened yet in this show because of this mud room.
SPEAKER_01This one was so interesting. Hillary's on the phone getting the permits. Well, they're not just doing a renovation and needing to pull permits, they're changing the actual like structural blueprint of the home. So like the aerial.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, now I'm thinking it's a historical neighborhood. Yes, because they uh changing the outside the exterior appearance of the home.
SPEAKER_01Correct. So the aerial view is going to be different. Like the actual like blueprint, the actual like floor plan layout, they're adding square footage.
SPEAKER_00So to clear this up, permitting issue.
SPEAKER_01Permitting issue. Because they have to get a whole, it can't just get a permit. They have to get a little bit more.
SPEAKER_00It had to be a separate special permit for it.
SPEAKER_01I never I think I rewound it like three times to figure out what it was called, and I never got what it was called, except that it was like special and it was different. Um, so they're adding depth to the home. And the rules in Canada I found that are a little bit different than they are here. Like you have to have so many, like I don't know, we kind of saw it with the with the one that had the um the parking pad, where like they had the parking pad, but they couldn't add anyway. They have to get special permitting, which requires them to send out the blueprint to all the neighbors.
SPEAKER_00Once it was pre approved by the city, they mailed letters to all their neighbors, basically going, hey, do you have a problem with this?
SPEAKER_03Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And they have to respond. And it's good. Well, somebody appealed. I know that was so crazy. And then initially, it's like, all right, there's an appeal. There's I was thinking in my head, I was like, all right, well, they're not gonna do it. But this is also the thing, like the whole five minutes before this, they say it's been over two months since they started. Yeah, understood timelines and timeline, yeah. Two months, two months, and they haven't done anything. No, in these two months, they've just been waiting because two months was when they sent according to if the timeline's right and how they edited, which the editing might be a little off, but it was two months to the point where they sent the letters, so then they sent the letters, yeah. There's probably a 30-day response time, I would I would assume, and if you didn't respond within 30 days, so it's three months in, Hillary's standing at their door, and it's like somebody appealed it.
SPEAKER_01Somebody appealed it, but they were able to somehow still go through with it. But I thought that whole process was crazy. Essentially, Hillary's construction team and the architects had to draft up what they were doing to this home. The city had to approve it.
SPEAKER_00Which they would have which they would have had to do anyway when they're submitting their permits to begin with.
SPEAKER_01But once the city approved it, it couldn't get truly approved until it went out via mail to all the neighbors, and neighbors essentially could decide yes or no, this can happen or not. And someone appealed.
SPEAKER_00But also not to ruin everyone's appearance of the drama for this show, they send in blueprints of the design for every build to get permits.
SPEAKER_02That blueprint would have shown that the kitchen wall ain't coming down.
SPEAKER_00And they would have known that at the beginning. That the stairs were gonna come out.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Yes, because they couldn't take this wall down between the kitchen and the dining room, because essentially it's where all the potty things go.
SPEAKER_00It was where everything went. It was when where there it was the wheel.
SPEAKER_01Because the wall had everything in it.
SPEAKER_00It was the everything wall.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that wall was a no. And he when we get to that, he was just like, oh, so you can't just take it down.
SPEAKER_02Because we talked about that. It was silly. Anyway, the homeowners are getting so frustrated.
SPEAKER_01And I'm like, okay, you know what? I understand this is a really irritating process, but this isn't the show's fault or Hillary's fault. This is like the city. The city is the one that and they can take just as long as they want, they don't have to do anything. Like I've had homes. I had a home two years ago that somebody was doing a new build, and the builder, when they sent off all the paperwork to the city, they sent the entire wrong information over, the wrong house. And so they had to start their whole process again. And it took like six weeks to get this house like ready to dig because they were just an issue, like there's going to be issues sometimes. It happens, and it's nobody's fault except like you're dealing with auditors and city planners.
SPEAKER_00In reality, this this took them three months just to get the permitting, and the actual reno, two weeks, three weeks, probably. The demo was like one day.
SPEAKER_01It was just like bloop, staircase.
SPEAKER_00Than the rest.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that was crazy when they ripped that out. I was like, whoa, alright, it's out. She gone. So, you know, back to the neighbor that appealed, they're like, who was it? Our neighbors are so great.
SPEAKER_00Who who would have who would have uh somebody was and somebody's somebody's a sneak.
SPEAKER_01Someone, you made someone mad. You sold somebody's people magazine, and they'll never forget it. They're like, My people magazine was delivered to your house, you didn't return it.
SPEAKER_00Also, oh, you can't add a wall on the back of your house that really doesn't change anything with the house. Like what an odd thing to like appeal. You're such a Karen. Like, get out of here.
SPEAKER_01No, no.
SPEAKER_00Anyways, awful.
SPEAKER_01I know. Anyway, now the renovations are underway. We have Eddie. I said, Oh, hey Eddie, thanks for removing that staircase. So now David is gonna show them their first house they're gonna look at. So it's four bedrooms, it has four bathrooms, it has an office, open floor plan, 2,000 square feet, smaller than their current house, which all of the homes they look at are actually smaller than their current home, which I don't quite understand because we never see most of their current home, so yes. Um, and I'm like, oh, this house looks way newer, they'll hate it. Will there be any character or charm? She's gonna hate it immediately. And oh, shockingly, it's a new build with a sunken living room.
SPEAKER_00The sunken living room was weird.
SPEAKER_01Yes, a new build home with a sunken living room in 2008 is bonkers.
SPEAKER_00And I don't know where they got the flooring, I don't know where they got the countertop and the kitchen cabinets and everything, but it clearly was not purchased for this build. They just like had extra stuff and just threw it all in this house. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01This was like a flipper or something.
SPEAKER_00It was nothing matched, nothing work. And she walked in, she's like, I don't like the colors. And he's like, the walls would mean the walls, and she's like all the colors, everything, all of it. The floors are terrible.
SPEAKER_01Floors were bad. I mean, the sun could living room is a tripping hazard. It's just, you know, it was it was a no. It was a no. Yeah. The basement was nice, it was finished, and it had a spare bedroom down there, which I was like, that would be great for like her office. She could have her office down there separated from everything. And they did kind of irritate me in this part because they were so focused on what was inside the house. Like they were really talking about like because they said it was a new build, but someone obviously was living there because they had furniture in it and it wasn't like staged furniture. Yeah, but they were focused so much on how everything like, oh, they would go in a room that was a perfectly standard-sized room, like a bedroom, and they'd just make, oh, I don't like this. It's like, well, you don't like what's in it. That's nothing to do with the actual room.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. That was weird. Oh, it was like just it was like a ballet studio. I was like, I think a I don't even know. He said David set calls it a new build.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was a new build.
SPEAKER_00Maybe within the last like 15 years.
SPEAKER_01You're like, new, mm, new ish. Okay. Now, this is my favorite part, maybe of the whole episode. I don't know. There's a lot about this one that I really was invested in. David asks them to guess how much the house is listed for. Oh. Oh. He goes, 550,000. She says 650,000. Do you remember how much it was listed at?
SPEAKER_00959.
SPEAKER_01They have no idea about the current real estate market they are looking in. Like they are oblivious. It makes no sense.
SPEAKER_00This one was not in their neighborhood, though, right?
SPEAKER_02They didn't say.
SPEAKER_00I don't think this one was in their neighborhood, but still.
SPEAKER_01Still, that was just that one that got me. I did not, I was like, no, five hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And it was 959. Please. I have no time for you. Yeah. David is like, they're delusional. They're they're lost. He's like, what? He's like stunned. He's like, they thought it was this much.
SPEAKER_00They like show they show him his laptop when he's looking at more house.
SPEAKER_01He's like, oh yeah, he's he's like, oh god, there's nothing else. I know. And he's always in his car. I'm like, you don't have internet in there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he did, he has a little card.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02Hmm. He was so forward.
SPEAKER_003G card, probably.
SPEAKER_01Anyway. They go back to their home, their current home, and they hate it. They're so mad that that staircase is gone.
SPEAKER_00The only thing I wrote for their first demo walkthrough was she seems relatively understanding about the stairs. He doesn't.
SPEAKER_01He goes, We bought this house because of that staircase.
SPEAKER_00He was sitting in front of the dumpster, like, oh my stairs are in that dumpster. And I'm mourning them at the moment.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I was like, he's gonna jump in there with them. Yeah. He says, We bought this house because of this staircase.
SPEAKER_00That was never said before.
SPEAKER_01Never said. And Hillary goes, she goes, That they never mentioned that uh they bought this house for those stairs. Anyway, now we leave there. We're back with David. They're going through their second house. It's 2,100 square feet. It has four bedrooms, three bathrooms. It's open concept, it has a finished basement, and it's in their neighborhood. I'm like, oh god, how much is this gonna cost? She loves it. She goes, she's like, oh, kitchen, living room. I love it.
SPEAKER_00The kitchen was really nice, and like there were a lot of windows, a lot of like really big windows. There's a lot of natural light in the house.
SPEAKER_01The thing that got me was the first one they went to, she hated the way the kitchen and the dining room was. And in this one, it was the exact same.
SPEAKER_00It was the exact same, but the colors worked. Yes. It looked a thousand times better.
SPEAKER_01It did, yeah. The other one was just a hodgepodge of chaos. Uh then we see the mud room in this house. Did you notice anything or did you pick anything up about the coat rack?
SPEAKER_00The heated coat rack?
SPEAKER_01What the fuck is that?
SPEAKER_00Uh they're in Canada. Maybe they heat their coats. They did have the same exact rack. They have the same type of rack in their bathroom for their towels. And I was like, well, now this makes sense. They just had an extra one. And they're like, why don't we heat our coats?
SPEAKER_01Like this house is a fire hazard. It's just straight up. Oh, let me set my coat here to catch on fire. Let me put my towels here to catch on fire.
SPEAKER_00I don't know.
SPEAKER_01I didn't like it.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I didn't I don't know how they were heated.
SPEAKER_01I don't know. It looked like radiant heat to me. I don't think you're supposed to hang things on them. Anyway, heated coat rack was bananas.
SPEAKER_00So I mean, sometimes middle of February, I'm like, Wish my coat was heated. I wish I had a heated coat rack, so I'm not judging.
SPEAKER_01Okay. So then we go upstairs. So I'm starting to get kind of like deja vu with this house. I don't know about you. Like the heated floors?
SPEAKER_02I was like, we didn't we just have like heated floors somewhere in one of their houses. And then they go upstairs. And what do we find upstairs?
SPEAKER_01A music room.
SPEAKER_02There was a music room.
SPEAKER_01And she says, every house should have a music room. And I said, in Canada, everyone has a music room. It's standard.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Because it's all the same people.
SPEAKER_00They're in Canada.
SPEAKER_01I'm like, we've been here. We've been in this house.
SPEAKER_00They're in Canada. They have time for hobbies.
SPEAKER_01They all work from home. They all have$900,000 homes and they have time for hobbies, like playing music.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And they uh all have a lot of them have finished basements with full bathrooms because when their kids grow up, they don't just kick them off to the street and go. No, they go live down there. They live down there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So they can save money. Oh, Canada. Hmm. So anyway, they love the house. They're ready to move in, but the price is 969, 959? Right around there. 969. 969. So it's just out of their budget, which I'm like, okay. That's like what?
SPEAKER_00An extra the built-in amount that they're gonna make on their house after they sell it anyway.
SPEAKER_01So but she loves it. She's like, oh, she's like ready to sign on the line right there. She's like, oh, I love it.
SPEAKER_02So we go back to their house, and we're told by Hillary, Wall can't come down. They're pissed, not happy.
SPEAKER_01And he's like, Well, come on, come on. Uh we're giving you all this money. And Hillary's like, the budget makes the decisions, I don't make the decisions. And then Hillary says, I know, I'm gonna ask Desta what to do. And Desta goes, just have the kids' playroom become the mud room, or have the mud room be the kids' playroom.
SPEAKER_02I'm like, this is logistically crazy. It was like so small.
SPEAKER_01I'm like, you're you're deciding now, like when all they've had is clutter, that instead of having a room designated to where the kids are going to play, you're now just gonna move all of their things into the open concept mud room kitchen so that it's just all there. That doesn't seem right.
SPEAKER_02But they Hillary thinks this is like the best idea that she's ever heard. Like ever heard. So now we go back and we have more bad news. She can't do an office for Victoria.
SPEAKER_00And they can't do an office because of the something with the mudroom cost a lot more money. What was it?
SPEAKER_01It was because when they submitted everything to the city to get permitted, they were gonna build over top the deck. The city made them take the deck out and build a new one.
SPEAKER_03Because it was like not decode.
SPEAKER_01So that was like a huge extra expense. They had to build a whole new deck when she thought they were just gonna build on it.
SPEAKER_00But also, yeah, they're adding a deck out there. There should be a deck out there, or at least something. But the folding French doors right there. Oh, those were cool, were real cool. I was like, all right, this is gonna be cool.
SPEAKER_01I know. They were the doors that like all they're like all open, so the whole thing is like basically opens up the whole wall to the outside. That was cool. I was like, oh, I'm here for that. You're hanging out in the kitchen, but like open the whole thing up, it was so cool.
SPEAKER_00I was like, oh it was like they didn't make it an open concept house, but they made it like an open concept kitchen to the backyard. And I was like, that's a fair, fair trade.
SPEAKER_01That was my favorite part, and it looked so nice from outside, those doors were nice, yeah. Like they did put like they got like the nice quality, they were really like nice looking. I was like, ooh, I love it. But the homeowners were totally over Hillary, they're pissed at her. They're like basically like you are not getting a Christmas card from us, like absolutely not. You're off the list, no office, you can't take that on this wall. You took out my staircase, like peace, like get out. Like, I hate you.
SPEAKER_00So to be fair, like for her, she's probably like, Where do I put my hallway office then? Like, this is gonna really suck.
SPEAKER_01I know, yeah. So now we're told by David there's a new house on the market, brand new, and they show outside, and it's really nice, it was really pretty outside. I was like, ooh, I was really excited to go inside this house. And 2300 square feet, four bedrooms, four bathrooms, finished basement. It has unique characteristics. We go inside, and it's horrible.
SPEAKER_02It did not match the outside at all.
SPEAKER_00You mean like the murals on the walls?
SPEAKER_01It was like the which can be fixed with paint, to be fair, but but it was like the cloud house, it was like murals on the walls. Like he's like, Oh, the owner's an artist. Uh so there's just murals all over. The kitchen is so terrible. Super small, super small. It had like couch as a breakfast nook. I'm like, that's a weird one. David says it has a two-piece bath. I'm like, what's a two-piece bath? That must be a Canadian thing.
SPEAKER_00It's like the sink and the toilet.
SPEAKER_01But like, who that's like a quarter bath. I mean, we're or a half bath.
SPEAKER_00I I don't want to go into a one-piece.
SPEAKER_01No, because if you go to one piece bath, what do you get? Just a toilet and no sink? What should you get? That's horrible.
SPEAKER_00Like or is it just a sink? And if it's just a sink, that's weird.
SPEAKER_01Weird.
SPEAKER_00Why do you have a sink there? In your it would be like a closet. Like, why do you have a sink in your closet?
SPEAKER_01Who knows? Who knows? So now it's like, let's go to the backyard. And he's like, Oh, well, now let's go to the basement. And they're like, wait, what? It's not attached. No. The basement was not a basement. This is literally an underground apartment.
SPEAKER_00It was an apartment, which was real cool.
SPEAKER_01Real cool. You go outside of the house.
SPEAKER_00Well, when he said that I was like, they're gonna have like those like storm doors. I was what I was thinking.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like the Wizard of Oz.
SPEAKER_00That's what I was and like no, it was like a it was a walk down full apartment, full kitchen.
SPEAKER_01This was a perfect office for her. Perfect.
SPEAKER_00She could just like get up, she could just have her business there and she can go to work from home, but she can go to work, walk out her back door, walk into her office, and then walk back home.
SPEAKER_01It was so nice. And I mean, you could also make that a rental apartment.
SPEAKER_02Your kids would live.
SPEAKER_01I mean, it was nice. And it did have the same weird tile though that they have in their current house, that black and white checkered. Yeah. I was like, that's weird. Um but it was so, so nice. Weird editing again on this one though, because as soon as they leave that, they leave there, and then I guess we go back to the main house and they show the staircase real quick. There is no railing on this staircase, it is open. The staircase is full open. We can just fall out of it.
SPEAKER_02I rebound it three times. I was like, We're not even gonna talk about that.
SPEAKER_01No one's gonna mention the fact that you're you could just fall out out of nope. Okay, I'm like, we just breeze right by there, no one even gives it a second thought. Um there is a fireplace in this house in every single room, which is also wild, and it's uh eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I feel like they they skipped over a lot of the things that were a little off with the house because it was a hundred thousand dollars below. And they I think had told David that they were willing to probably do a renovation to a new house that they were going to move into if it was under their budget. Like, I think they probably had this conversation because it didn't seem like they didn't seem scared by it. They did not seem scared by that kitchen. It they even mentioned, like, yeah, we could just redo that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like I think they intended on doing renovation so like staircase. Okay, put rally on the staircase.
SPEAKER_01Okay, you could fall out and die, it's fine. Put a railing.
SPEAKER_00Put rally on the staircase when we do the kitchen. We'll redo all that right before we move it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So uh now we're back at their current home. We're gonna go do our walkthrough.
SPEAKER_00Final walkthrough.
SPEAKER_01And Hillary is she is excited, she is grinning from ear to ear. I'm like, oh, what's it gonna look like? And I'm like, I already know because they showed us at the beginning.
SPEAKER_00I thought they were going at this moment, I was thinking.
SPEAKER_02Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. We walk in and we see the front room.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but what I noticed is when you walk in the front room, they had had it set, they rearranged it, but it everything was like there was nothing on the walls, they had absolutely nothing hanging on the walls, and so I had norm for that in the budget, right? It was just weird. I was like, okay, are they gonna sell it? Because like we have a clean slate, and like I thought they were gonna stay, but now I'm like I was totally questioning what was gonna happen because like nothing on the walls screamed list it. So boring, nothing on the walls, and then we get to the kitchen, we go through the dining room, we see the kitchen, and they really kitchen was nice. They it was nice, it was nice, it looked nice. This is probably the best kitchen renovation they've done. Yeah, stainless steel, like new appliances that were nice, lots of space, the colors were nice.
SPEAKER_00The only thing I had with the kitchen is the I mean the the layout and the size of the kitchen and them having to have a place that they needed to eat to. There was no way to really rearrange it in a way that had good pathways to like the stove and the sink and like the refrigerator. So I think they did what they could with it, but it definitely wasn't an ideal kitchen situation.
SPEAKER_01No, no, I mean they did make it work, they made it work, and it looked nice. It was it looked great. It did, and then we see their floors.
SPEAKER_00The cork floor.
SPEAKER_01Oh man. This whole episode was a like a crazy throwback.
SPEAKER_00I think where else the cork floor made it?
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_00This the closet that they built above the old staircase. They had cork floor in that.
SPEAKER_01Right. Oh my gosh, that's so funny. So the cork floors, I'm like, this is a throwback. And I'm like, I think because this renovation took so long to do that they just like stockpiled supplies and they had all this stuff like around.
SPEAKER_00Probably.
SPEAKER_01That's like kind of what I was thinking. I'm like, oh my gosh, cork floors, throwback, so funny.
SPEAKER_00And I mean, for something like flooring, I bet they bulk purchased all their flooring for the most part. Oh, yeah. Because they knew they're gonna be doing a bunch of remodels. Yeah, we're gonna need flooring. Like, yeah, we're not letting the customer really pick it anyway, so we'll just buy a bunch of the same thing.
SPEAKER_01For sure.
SPEAKER_02And now, okay. My notes.
SPEAKER_01I accidentally wrote mushroom, but it's the mud room. But I wrote the mushroom is in the kitchen.
SPEAKER_00The mushroom room was the best part of the house.
SPEAKER_01I loved the room with the mushrooms, it was so great. Um, it was right next to the radish room.
SPEAKER_00It was like a three-season room for a mud room that had it was like a three-season room that had no door to it from the inside of the house, and it was just like an extra seating area.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was nice, it was great. They did that room, they did the mud room so well, and they put those doors that opened all the way up, so the whole back was just open. It really was a good renovation, that was a good added space. I cannot believe that their neighbor tried to stop them from having that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, it was a great thing to pull your eye in if you're going to go buy a house too. It was a great thing to put in a house if you're looking to sell it too.
SPEAKER_01Yep. And I yeah, it was I that that was it was so nice. That was a great addition. Um now Hillary has a surprise, and I'm like, oh yay, I love surprises. It's the world's smallest closet.
SPEAKER_00It was the closet with the cork floor, it was so small.
SPEAKER_01I was like, Hillary, you built that up. That's not that great.
SPEAKER_00It was not that great, it was not that great, but that was the moment where I was like, oh, she found a spot for the office. Nope.
SPEAKER_01She it was a closet that was like so tiny.
SPEAKER_00100%.
SPEAKER_01So now we're told the pre-renovation, their home was worth$700,000. They put$65 in, and now it's worth$800. So nice. What are they gonna do? We're like, okay, they're thinking, they're thinking, they're gonna love it.
SPEAKER_00Literally standing five feet away.
SPEAKER_01Literally, like from here, they're just like standing like right there. It's like whatever.
SPEAKER_00And then they go and stay, and then when they go to stand up, they're like, oh, they know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we're about to do it. They made their decision in four seconds. And I was like, please buy the house with the little basement office-y room.
SPEAKER_02No, no, what do they do? They love it, they love it.
SPEAKER_01I was very surprised because even though they did a great kitchen and mud room, they didn't get the open concept, they didn't get the office.
SPEAKER_00I feel like the reason why they loved it were the same reasons that they could have sold that house so fast.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I know. They really could have gotten something great.
SPEAKER_01I hope that they now have you know sold it and moved into their dream home because they have a great house now to uh to sell eventually, but it was a little uh shocking and kind of disappointing, really.
SPEAKER_00We're gonna be able to sit down and eat, guys.
SPEAKER_01We can sit. We can sit and eat our food. Wild. Wild.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, that's our episode. I realized we're in Canadian dollars this time around, so that was new. New took me 11 episodes to get there. Whatever, it's all good. I just I just got there, so you just got there because I shared it with you. You're welcome, you're welcome. Any famous last words for today?
SPEAKER_00Nope. Not until next week.
SPEAKER_02Yep, and don't forget every house needs a music room.
SPEAKER_00Yes.