SPEAKER_00 0:00

As always just on just on the trot I am and also um yeah just keep I keep traveling so it's good. I mean it's not bad, but I'm just concerned to see how my energy is gonna uphold the next couple of weeks, but we'll be fine for sure. We'll be good. How how has the last 12 hours been since the last time?

SPEAKER_02 0:24

Great, great. We're devastated that you're gone. So boring. Yeah, so we're trying to right back on the regular daily business onto the gym today. Um, no one's in town right now, so nobody like followed you up and came to town. So I don't have anyone in town again until uh next weekend. So I have like a week and a half kind of free, and then Ashley Hampton comes and flies in and stays for a week.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

That'll be fun. It's cool that you do like now that I've been to like one of your little camps in terms of like like going to your house, staying, training, all that type of stuff. It's like actually really cool. Like, I like that style of stuff, like because it's a little bit more tight-knit. Obviously, we can you could be specific with training. Like, do you feel like it's easier to manage? Well, it is easier to manage clients' programs and stuff like that when it comes to training and stuff and what they need to work on training-wise.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

For sure. It's just like what um, I can't remember what her name is off the top of my head that Jamie recently hired for Fitbody, but like the training assessments that are done, yes. So, not that I'm doing like assessments to write programs off of, but when you come and you're like, hey, this is what Jamie has laid out for me for training, push me through it, tell me what I can work on in it. I'm like, all right, sweet. All the way down to people that I do the training programs for come here, like Ashley in a couple weeks. And then I can see how she's been hitting what I've had her do outside of just the video feedback that she sends, and we're able to um like stack on top of that. Like, okay, so this is what your intensity looks like the entire workout, because I'm only getting snippets of training videos. This is how you're doing your feeder sets and exhausting yourself with way too much junk volume, like shit like that. And we can like get down to the nitty-gritty fine details of everything, along with, like you said, just the camaraderie of being in person. Like we had Kerrigan's here, she's on a different team. You're you were here, you're on a different team. Zoe's here, she's on bare aesthetics. We had people here all staying at the house together. Um, and then you have um Maria was here, Miss Figure Olympia, who has a coach from overseas. But none of that matters when you're just a camaraderie-focused, tight-knit group of people all together, staying together. Everyone's cooking together, weighing their food out together. We all hop in the car together, go to the gym, go to the grocery store. We you guys went on a fucking walk down to the lake with the wind blowing, like screaming in your face.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

Like, none of that's what also exhausted me. We ran, we ran like I was in a high rocks, like for a good solid like two minutes, and I was like, This isn't on my plan, and Jamie's gonna kill me if I can't.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

I was on an electric scooter.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

Yeah, you you bailed and were like, Yeah, I'm not running, so I'm just gonna well, we were running just because we were missing the sunset, like literally chasing. Yeah, they were literally chasing sunsets, it was great, but like also not doing that again. That's probably what exhausted me.

SPEAKER_02 3:09

Oh, I'm sure. It was hilarious because after that night, the next two days that you were here, three days you were here, your energy levels went.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

Yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, yeah, that doesn't mean also I did teach a three-hour posing seminar.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

Yes, hundred percent on that Saturday that same that same day or that night before. Yeah, that was yeah, so it was which was awesome, by the way. We can dive into that too. That was a pretty good seminar, a great turn.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

I really enjoyed doing stuff like that, and it was a little bit more of a tight-knit, like you said, tight-knit group of people in terms of like it wasn't small by any means, 15 people is a good amount, but it was nice to kind of get like individual work done with everyone and stuff as well. Go through comparisons, go through people like posing next to each other, because I think that's the one thing that I think a lot of people always struggle with. I mean, don't get me wrong, you can't always pose next to people, and that's fine. Like, but honestly, if you can get yourself like just posing next to each other, like me and Kerrigan, we just like I think it was twice, maybe we did it, or once we did comparisons with each other just just to go back and forth, back and forth, just to get the rounds in, because it's uncomfortable being next to someone, and sometimes posing by yourself is way easier. So we do that, right? So then when you pose next to people, you're like, oh, this is what it feels like to be on stage. Um, and even Kerrigan was saying, like when I we were posing next to each other, she was intentionally slowing down because she knows she actually poses a little bit uh faster. So she was trying to match my tempo a little bit more, which is good because she needed to slow down anyway. So she was like, It's good to do these little things because you forget to do that when you're by yourself sometimes. So definitely, yeah. And overall, I was good.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

I was super happy with the turnout of it all, too. Like you have, I think you had 16 in one group and 15 in another. So 31 total for bikini and fit model, and then Rhea had four girls come out for figure, women's physique. So in total, just under 40 people, like that's a really good turnout for we only did this on like a month notice, too.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

And that was I'm really happy with that.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

I want to say out of 35 people, 12 or 13 of them all came from out of state, like flew in or drove from five over five hours away. So really cool. Just people showing up for you, showing up for the knowledge and getting to enjoy the gym. So good to have.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

Yeah, so thank you so much for anyone that did come, and then we'll keep an eye out or listen out because we'll probably do another one at some point. Because post-Annold UK, I would be on a flight straight back to Arizona because we're doing shows in the US again.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

So we'll be right back here on the West Coast.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

Yeah. Well, I know everyone was always like, What are you doing after the Arnold? So I was like, uh, I'm going back to the US. So we're just gonna keep running until we're qualified, basically.

SPEAKER_02 5:51

Um, we could do a we could always do a Vegas one. I say we like I'm on posing portal, but if we want to do one of those combined things where we talked about doing a yeah, we talked about doing like a legitimate, like like event where it's like training on top of posing on top of whatever else we bring out, bring out uh someone for I mean, I would love if I'm honest, like this is what me and Laura Lee did when we had our podcast.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Like, I would love to do a live event. I think that would be so much fun, like a podcast live event. So we do the whole setup thing.

SPEAKER_03 6:23

No, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

People can ask questions live in action, whether that be to do with posing, training, whatever it is. Yeah, we can obviously help out and obviously kind of go from there and answer. So that would be really cool. We can always set that up. So comment down below if you're wanting to see something like that, because that would be pretty sick to do.

SPEAKER_02 6:38

Vegas would be a good hub for that too. I have a couple gyms that would let us do that out of.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

Yeah, so comment down below if you're wanting to see that and if you're wanting to do that, because we can always do like training camp, posing day, whether an hour of posing, an hour of training, an hour of podcasting.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

Would you say that if everyone wants to pitch in and get Corey over to Bali for Phoebe's retreat? I'll do training.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Oh my god, yeah. Come to Bali, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:01

How many spots did you have for that? I saw you only had a few left.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

So we've got we're fully booked now, so we've got 12 people.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

Holy shit, that's awesome to get 12 people to Bali.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

The crazy thing is, obviously, so there's a few from there's a few from all over, but obviously, I want to say at least almost half people are coming from the US. So you're coming plus you're doing a me travel, like a 30-hour trip, potentially, 24-hour trip to go to Bali to come spend time with me. Like, I'm so excited, it's gonna be so much fun. There's a few from the UK, a few from Australia, um, I think one from Bali in general. So, like, we've got a good group of people, which I'm really excited for. So, this is gonna be great. I'm so excited. So, and I might do another one in November. So, again, comment down below if this is something you want to do and be part of in November, potentially. So, I do want to do one in the US as well, but like is it the same vibe? Because you did you did um Kerrigan did a retreat, didn't she?

SPEAKER_02 7:58

Before she did, and what she's what she's planning on doing is she's doing a retreat in a different part of America twice a year. So she did it in Houston because it aligned with a lot of other stuff going on in Houston that we were there for that week. And we did some Labrato nutrition stuff and whatnot, along with it, was um one of her the coaches on her team, Dylan. It was his birthday, and he lives in Texas, so all of it was combined in one. That's possible. Um, and they did a posing thing with Jordan Fisher at her studio that she owns. Um, a train and uh so Hunter obviously owns a private gym, the Labrada facility. So he opened it up to her entire team to come and train there. They did the posing thing at Jordan's studio and then had a catered dinner and then a night out. And so it was a cool couple day event that they all did, and then she plans on doing that at each coach's coach that's on her team. So Vanya's on the team, Kenzie, Audrey. Uh, I guess her and Dylan just both kind of did Texas. So they're gonna hit everyone's location over the next couple years. So they want to do one like in October that'll probably be here in Idaho just because weather's amazing then. Um, then go over to Vanya's side of the nation, over to like that Tennessee East Coast area, and then do one up, and then do one up in Canada. So they'll do that over the next like year and a half.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Canada would be cool. That's so cool. Yeah, I mean, I always find like those kind of things, they're so much more fun because again, it brings community together. So that's why I'm like, I would rather, for me anyway, do something along the lines of that. And that's why I like doing seminars, like posing seminars, like that type of thing. I enjoy it so much more. Yes, obviously, we I pose online, you do training online, but we're always online, so like we forget that human interaction and connection is like important, and like I can't just be sat behind a screen for like all the time. I need to I need some extra energy. So yeah, I'm excited to be.

SPEAKER_02 9:48

You got to see it firsthand with how that was with me on the I mean, you're the same way with posing. I watched you waking up at 5 a.m. sitting at my four-year-old's table in his room doing your posing. She's literally at Finley's little toddler table where he like plays with toys, sometimes eats his food if he wants to sit in there. And it's the like think like literal, like tiny table 10-inch legs of a chair that she's sitting on, like hunched over the table, doing her posing at.

SPEAKER_00 10:13

But it was actually pretty good because like the table's so low that I had to like literally like open up my hips, and I was like, This actually is really comfortable. So it was quite funny.

SPEAKER_02 10:24

But it's funny, like we both saw it firsthand. Like, you walked into my office on accident the other night at like 11 p.m. and you're like, Oh, you're in here working. I'm like, Yep, getting some stuff, getting programs done. You're up at 5 a.m. over there, like doing your doing your online posing. It's a never-ending thing. It's nice to have the in-person interaction with people that we will work with too.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Yeah, I feel always turn off. Yeah, your thing just turned off. There we go. No idea how that happened. I feel like it's really easy to, again, with what we do so online-based, is to only want things that are online. Like, I forget that doing stuff in person, it like I feel like that's so much more fun, like way more fun. Oh, way more. Obviously, you can't always do that, and I understand that because of freedom and I travel a lot and all that type of thing. I get that, but like being able to have yeah, a community of people to do stuff in person with is just is just so much, yeah. So so much something that you should really think about doing. Not you, but like if anyone's listening, like if they're wanting to be more online or more in person, like what they think, try and do a split because I feel like the way that the world is going, I feel like everyone's always like, I want to be online. And I'm like, don't just be online though, because like you lose a lot of community that way by just being online. I personally feel anyway. Um, anyway, um, do you want to go through the previous pro show?

SPEAKER_02 11:49

Yeah, do it Brazil, right?

SPEAKER_00 11:51

Yes. Okay, Brazil. Um so Brun is it I thought it was Bruna. I don't actually know if that's how you say her. It is Bruna, okay. Because I just didn't want to say her name wrong. She's qualified. She's 226 qualified, which is great. So uh, oh yeah, it's Bruna. So she's won, she won was it Brazil show last time as well? Yeah, Brazil Brazil show in November.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

That was right after Olympia a few weeks, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

Yeah, in November, and then she's just won the Brazil show, which was a week after the Arnolds.

unknown 12:30

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 12:31

And she's now qualified, which is great. So she's gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

Remember when I made a comment? We did so we were talking about we got a question about the point system, and I made a comment about how we're gonna see the international competitors stacked on that top 25 list in points, and this is why. Like the Nevea's on that list and got second here because someone else hopped ahead of her, and she's just gonna keep moving around that points list until she can get another win. If she gets that win, that's how the international circuit runs. Those second through fifths swap all the time. There's not too many repeat first place, like not everybody is um Ellie Fernandez, like winning as many shows they can do overseas. A lot of them are the second to fifth place spot where they're just gonna stack that top 25 points list throughout the year. So eight, nine, ten, eleven, seven, which if you look right now, I mean, I know we haven't had a lot of US shows yet since Olympia, so it's it's not that doesn't necessarily prove the point, but look, Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia, Greece, Italy, UK, Mexico, Brazil, Italy, the DR, Romania, Italy, South Korea, Spain, Poland, New Zealand. Like, there's like three US on there.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

Oh, look, whose name is there?

SPEAKER_02 13:41

Who's that? UK, foebbe Hagen.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

She's on the list. I literally was thinking, I was like, I don't know how long it's gonna take me to get on this list because obviously it well, depending on obviously the Arnolds and stuff, the Arnolds had obviously a bigger point system, but I was like, I don't know how long it's gonna take me to get on the list because the point system already starting off was very big. Like, look, you see the the who is this? Oh, that's um she did Romania.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

She's got a lot of points though. She did she hasn't won a show yet.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

She did Romania.

SPEAKER_02 14:16

But she's had a few 23 points with not winning a show, is uh quite a few shows, I feel like.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

I think the Romania show she got 11 points straight away because it was second, you got 11, I want to say. No, it might have been 14 actually for second. So because I know she did that show and then that was and then she did quite a few shows after that um as well. So but I yeah, I think this is really good. So we've got four. This is 13, but obviously Laura Lee's not on here, so 14 technically qualified already, which is really cool. Again, I know not everyone is on. Is everyone on here?

SPEAKER_02 14:55

I think everyone's on there except yeah, everyone's on here.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

Yeah, so 14 in total, qualified, and then you've got the top 25 here. So that's exciting.

SPEAKER_02 15:03

I didn't realize that Maria got two wins already post-Olympia.

SPEAKER_00 15:06

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_02 15:07

I know she won that show in Florida. What was the other one? Do you remember?

SPEAKER_00 15:12

Uh yeah, she won them like almost back to back, I'm pretty sure. Or she did win the back to back. I was just trying to. So it was like one after the other, I'm pretty sure. Um but yeah, so we had Bruna.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

Great looks here. This is these are some killer front poses in this classics.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Bruna won, then you've got Navea, and then you have not to this is Priscilla, and then Rafa uh Rafael.

SPEAKER_02 15:38

Yeah, Rafaella, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

Rafaella, Sarah, and then Deborah. So I've not the only people that I've actually heard uh know are Bruna and Nevea. So I'm not too sure who the other people are, but obviously they look fantastic. And the back shots I was incredibly surprised with, like some really, really good shots, especially Nevea. I think Neveea from Southern Muscle, when she did the show Southern Muscle, to now, I think she's improved immensely because I remember. Did she get second at that show? So it's yeah, second to Alice. To Alice, yeah, so I feel like she's gotten a lot leaner. The only thing I will say is she's very hard from the back, which could be a potential reason. Again, this is just me assuming as to why she might have been beaten, because it might be just a little bit too much from the back, because she has a lot of development you can see in the adductors, in the hamstrings. I mean, it's very, very, very, very impressive. Like it's pretty insane, but it might be just a little, little too much for bikini, personally.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

In comparison to first place, I think they're close to the same conditioning-wise. Um, I would actually really I personally, I mean, when you look at the adductor, like the it's almost the same line between hamstring and adductor in first and second, like just the detail between. Yeah, but I do think in terms I do think in terms of balance, you're right, because it's on a smaller frame of Neveea. Like when you look over to the left here, the winner has a little bit more leg showing. The glutes might not be as balanced with the leg, but when you look over at Neveea, everything's like a little bit harder looking because the development of it, like the conditioning, I feel is pretty equal, body fat-wise itself, like the pushing against the skin, but it's that development of the adductor, it almost sticks out too much, like the adductor is like this big, and the leg isn't that much bigger, so it looks like too much adductor in comparison to balance there. So that's what sticks out to me. That's um in the true, and then first place also has a killer front pose, so yeah, your photo's gone again.

SPEAKER_00 17:47

What is happening with that?

SPEAKER_02 17:50

It's literally just doing it itself.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

But I I like I to be fair, back shot wise, I do like the bobbliness in Nivea's like glutes, like upper glutes like here, for example. But it again, the wind might have cost her just the development, like you said, in our ductas, and then also a little bit in the hamstrings as well. Like when I showed you before, I was like, damn, these girls got hamstrings. Yeah, there's a lot of hamstrings, but again, she's improved immensely going like from Southern Muscle going into like this show. So I know it's still a second place still, but the improvements are there and they speak for themselves. I think it's just now fine-tuning and making sure that she can still fit the criteria just a little more. Um for sure. But yeah, this is like I actually do really, really like Nevea's front pose again, just a little bit, maybe too much hamstring, but I like her glutes development in it.

SPEAKER_02 18:45

So the balance on Bruna in the front pose, I think she can hit her front pose better. Um, I think it looks a little bit twisted and forced, but um, I think that the front pose balance itself is there more in comparison to Nevea when you look at that hamstring in comparison to the rest of her leg. Um, it just looks it looks a bit more balanced, um, as well as the the total S curve there. It's it's a good, like exaggerated amount of X curve balance.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

So yeah, and you can see, yeah, like you said, you can see more S curve across here versus here is a little bit too yeah, it looks more forced, doesn't it? That's actually a good a good point. Um, that's always the hardest part when it comes to posing, is sometimes it is forced. Like we forget that it's not natural, like everything that we're doing.

SPEAKER_02 19:27

You're trying to make it look natural, but you're forcing it regardless.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

Yeah, and it's it's tough. So, and then was this Priscilla? Yeah, Priscilla. I like the way she's standing up in this pose. Like, I like how she's this for me, actually, out of both of them, or not actually both of them, Nevea, not Nevea, Bruna and Priscilla, I feel like match each other very well in terms of how they hit it, like it looks more natural, for sure. For sure, definitely. So, yeah, and then we've got fourth through two six. One, uh, three, four, no, four, five, six. Yeah. Um, again, you can just see the development side of things just go a little bit, a little bit lower from like top three to fourth through sixth, just a little bit. Not massively though, but I do think it's just a case of like these are the things that we'll see kind of throughout the um lineup and stuff. But I do think development-wise, it's just a little less, but it's still nonetheless, it's still very, very good physiques.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

Yeah, no, I like this a lot. Raphaela has great development, like good, good development delts, glutes. There's just just needs to be more balance throughout. That's a lot of hamstring going like diagonally right up into the glute where you don't really have a lot of that side glute profile. It's a lot of leg there. So she has a lot of muscle, just needs to balance it out better.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

So, question, obviously, in my opinion, would you say this lineup is quite hamstring dominant?

SPEAKER_02 20:55

The lot like the top five.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

Do you feel like I mean, say, is that is that an issue in bikini in terms of like like what would you say to for these ladies here, if you're more hamstring dominant, what would be a thing to balance out the physique? Like, what would you need to do, not training-wise, but like things to potentially balance it out? Would it be more glute development, quad development? I know that's obviously very individual as well.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

I mean, obviously, yeah, I say it's very individual, but if we use like, let's say um Nivea here, for instance, just because she has that crazy hamstring pop there, I don't think it's like crazy unbalanced because she has such good side profile of the glute there. But I just think in general, bikini doesn't want to see that much hamstring development. It doesn't matter if it's balanced, you're just simply not supposed to be that big. Um, so in that regard, like when she turns to the back, we see great glutes, we see a little bit overdeveloped adductor. Um, but the main thing there would be I just think a little bit less hamstring. I don't think it would be Telling her more glute because more glute in this back pose then becomes unbalanced. Like that's a lot of glutes in the back pose where she's almost teetering the line. If she were to bring these glutes up another couple percent, it's just a glute show at that point, and you're losing the back pose. Um, so I think that it would literally just be bringing down the hamstrings a little bit, is the only thing there. It's not a matter of bring up the quad more to balance it out, bring up the glutes more, because then she's just gonna be way too lower body.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Yeah, I agree. And then back poses from fourth through to sixth. Again, like we said before, just in terms of development, probably just need a little, like all of them I would say just needs a little bit more development moving forwards. Um, would you agree?

SPEAKER_02 22:43

No, 100%. Yeah, this is in comparison to one through three, this is a development thing. This isn't really a balance thing, like fourth place. Um, that's good balance. Sixth place, that's pretty decent balance. You just need sixth place, just needs to be a little bit more. Like the the hourglass shape and the the lateral and rear delts popping there are bigger than the lower body. So the lower body needs to come up a little bit more there. Um, but like in fourth place there, that's a balanced lower body. There just isn't enough development there, and she's hitting the back pose improperly. It's way too, way too pulled and forced and tight. She needs to drop those hands a little bit, but regardless, I I'm I do think this is a pretty solid top six, especially top three.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

So I wanted to see if if um if uh first and second were like close, but I again it was it was kind of a clear shot of second and yeah, first. So yeah. I don't think it was any close calls either. No, there's no close cause. And it was a small I think it was a small-ish show. There wasn't really many, there wasn't loads of ladies, it was just eight people.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

Um there also wasn't a lot of like marketing behind the show. Like we found out about it, like we were like, oh, there's a show in Brazil. There's a yeah, I didn't realize.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

I mean, I just didn't think that there was gonna be any shows in between the Arnold's US and the Arnold UK, I just didn't realize. Um, I don't know, is there any other shows from there?

SPEAKER_02 24:05

Shouldn't be. I don't think there's any that last week was the first one will be what's the first show and San Diego.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

Is it the same weekend? Yeah, same weekend. So yeah, those two shows. Those are the two shows for the first two first bikini shows, yeah, for exciting. Okay, let's go through questions that we had. Was there anything else? There was no other shows or anything that was there.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

That's all I had. Um, so are athletes and coaches all friends at the Olympia? That's sort of random.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

Answer is no.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

We all hate each other.

SPEAKER_02 24:51

I mean, there's it's just like it's just like anything. It's there's rivalry, there's camaraderie, there's there's like yin and yang to all of it. Um, it's not just black and white. There's a lot of people that are like friendly with each other because you can't help but be friendly when you see each other so often. But are those same people gonna be like, hey, dinner after the show? No. But then there are some that are like that, where they're like you and Laura Lee, for instance, like you guys don't have the same coach, you guys aren't on the same team, you guys don't see each other that often, but yet you'll text each other, you're friends, you'll sit with each other backstage and talk and like whatever. Like, so there is actual friendship, but then there's also the people that are just acquaintances, just like you'll have in any business.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

Yeah. And I think I personally feel like now more than anything, I don't well, I don't know if anyone else feels the same. I do feel like it's gotten better in terms of people aren't so because I think people felt more secluded before, whereas now I think people are like a little bit more out of their shell and like will just kind of be like, hey, let's go for like pros, for example, like people meet up. Like it's not like oh, I can't be friends with you, or I can't do this. Like, I don't think it was ever massively like that, but I do think there was this kind of like just like we're against each other, so this means we can't be friends vibe, which really doesn't need to be the case. Like we were all backstage at the Arnolds, everyone was having a fun time, we were all making jokes, all laughing, like having fun. Like nothing's it's never ever been like a rival, like I'm against you, so I'm not gonna talk to you kind of vibe. Um I don't is it even like that with the men? I mean, I feel like the men are. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

There's a couple of men that obviously have issues with each other. I think it's more in the coaching side, honestly. There's coaches that, and obviously we won't go into names at all, but there are coaches that literally have each other blocked on social media. Um I can name, and it's not just the the two that you guys are thinking of when I say that. Um, it's it's literally there, there's several. Um, and I'm not just talking bikini, just across the board. There's coaches that simply just don't get along. They feel things are done immorally about this person and that person. There's issues that they have in the past with them, there's client poaching and dropping into clients' DMs. There's just things that happen like that that make it so that people just automatically write someone off. They're like, I don't even want to say hi to them. Like they're not even acquaintance to me. And that's that's um, I feel like that's not um like if you're tipping the scale, there are more coaches that are acquaintances and friendly with each other than not, but there are still plenty that don't like each other.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

I feel like I don't know how to like approach this question, but like in terms of like for someone who's gone from I don't know how to put this, like so for from a client perspective who has maybe because I know that I've had girls ask me this specifically because obviously I've been in this situation as well. So for people that have gone from one coach to the other, how do they then handle seeing their previous coach? If that makes sense. Like, because I've had this, you know, done before. People have also asked me, like, how do you deal with things? You can either go about one way, you can either just say, like, be friendly, be you know, high and by kind of situation. If you don't want to see them, you don't have to talk to them. Like, it's not a case of like you're you're you're respecting your own peace at the end of the day, and it's about what you want to do for yourself. Like, yes, you can also kind of think about them as well, but like ultimately it's about what you want, you know? So, like, depends how you left the situation. If it was a bad situation, then don't talk to them. You don't need to kind of like put that pressure on yourself to like make that conversation or do that conversation, or you could literally say hi and bye and squash it and be like, this is you know, there's nothing to this anymore. If even if it was even if it was bad, even if it was good, but like don't make a massive deal of it, I would say anyway, because I feel like this happens a lot. Like, it's not even coach hopping, for example. Like, for example, you know, from my previous coach to now, like for Laura Lee's previous coach to her now, like all most Olympians, honestly, who has been in the game like at least five years, have probably had maybe two coaches, you know. So what do they do? They ignore everyone, no, like they probably say hi and bye, and that's it. Like they're not hating each other, but they're also there's a line where they're like, cool, I know I'm either not gonna cross it or we know where we stand. So I think if anyone is listening that is that has swapped a coach or is scared to swap a coach or scared to kind of bump into their coach or whatever previously, like don't I'm not saying don't make a big don't make a big deal of it, but don't put the pressure on yourself to feel like, oh my god, I can't do XYZ because my old coach will be there, or I can't do XYZ because said person, you know? Yeah, because at the end of the day, you left them for a reason. It could be good or bad, but you don't have to then put yourself in that situation and like feel guilty almost, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 29:58

Honestly, if any, and this is a kind of different topic, but to the same point on the coach's end of things and the client end of things. If you're a client, there is, and I do not want this to be taken the wrong way, but it'll get clipped, I'm sure. So there is no such thing as loyalty when you are a paying customer. That is what you are as a client. You are a paying customer. If you feel like your coach loves you and adores you and this and that and would do anything for you, oh my God, they put on retreats, they do this, they do that. It's because you pay them$500 a month. You're nobody to them if you don't. And I don't want to, that sounds harsh, but you're not. So think of it in the sense of it is a business transaction that develops a working friendly relationship because you are with that coach for X amount of time. But I don't want anyone to feel like if you're like you to your point, if you are thinking of leaving a coach and you're like in your head, like, oh, but I've been with them for two years, we've done this many shows together. If there is a reason that you're thinking about leaving, sleep on it. Think if the reasons are valid enough. Be like, yeah, the communication's gone downhill, or we're just doing the exact same thing over and over again with the same result, and I'm not improving. If you have legitimate reasons, don't get in your head of it's been two years with them. How do I leave them? Don't think that loyalty means something at that point because it is your career, your progression, your money. Do with it what you feel is best.

SPEAKER_00 31:21

Also, on the flip side of that, don't feel like I haven't seen progress in X amount of months. So that's why I'm gonna leave. That too, 100%. Because it takes time as well. So it's not a case of like, cool, it's the coaches, like this isn't us being like, cool, leave your coach. And like, if it's not working, like leave.

SPEAKER_02 31:37

No, definitely, definitely follow the plan and like stick to what you need to be doing because it takes a long time. That's why I made the point of two years. Because if you feel like I haven't progressed in two years, you're not played, like placings should never justify anything, in my opinion, unless you're like at the top, top level. If you're like pushing for that Olympia and now you just fucking drop, like, sure, like reflect on it. But if we're talking amateurs coming up, national girls trying to get their pro card, um, it takes time. Like, you can't be upset at a coach simply because you aren't ready, but you wanted to pull the trigger and are like, I want to do nationals this year, and you get last call outs, it's not always the coach's fault. You got to stick it out with them for a while to develop. My point being was more so in the sense of if nothing is changing, in the sense of I just got the exact same plan, nothing's changing in my macros, nothing's changing with this. We're just repeating the same psychosis over and over again and getting the exact same result with nothing improving, same feedback from the judges, and that happens for like two years straight. Don't think that because you've been doing it for two years, that loyalty matters at that point. Yeah, like really reflect and be like, look back on your photos, maybe get a second opinion of a spouse or a close friend of yours, be like, hey, how do you feel I've improved in X amount of time? And just see what the consensus is. And you as the client are the deciding factor of everything.

SPEAKER_00 32:59

And then communicate that to your coach. So don't then just be like, cool, I think I look back, and then just go elsewhere. Because your coach could also like the communication aspects of like having a coach is there for a reason. So, like when you communicate that and say, Hey, I just feel like XYZ, like I we I feel like we need to do you, it then becomes a collaboration. And that honestly, I feel makes your bond from coach to client grow stronger when you have that communicating factor. Definitely you can like as you say, as you do, and like follow the plan, that's fine, that's cool. But also your coach needs like feedback from you. So then you can develop because, for example, me and Jamie literally we've been together two years. This is our first show together. Like, we went through a lot, we've not peaked once at all. The first thing she said, which was quite funny, we obviously pumped up shoulders, did what we did, and I was like, Yep, I'm super happy, I love how I look. As soon as I walked out, she was like, I knew I shouldn't have pumped over shoulders, and that wasn't a mistake on her end, but she just doesn't know. Like, you needed the data, you didn't know. Yeah throughout my preps, my shoulders were the first thing to always go flat, like quite flat as well. So she was like, I want to make sure that they don't go flat or anything like that. And I said, Okay, cool. I what we didn't pump them up loads by any means. Like we weren't like there, like doing it for like 10 minutes. It was like a couple, a couple reps on a reps, honestly. And then I came out and she was like, Oh my god, like we've pumped up too much. And that's data for her. We then took that to finals and it was a way better look, way more balance. So it's she wouldn't have known that until I literally stepped on stage. Like, yeah, you don't know how we could have tried to do that like peak week, but again, it's when you're next to each other, that's when the coach then sees it. And she already made changes then going into UK. So it's like that data is then reciprocated. We talk about it, we speak about it, and then you move forwards and make a plan. And obviously, she has the experience behind that, obviously, to be able to do that. And some coaches don't want as much communication, but a lot like 90% of coaches want that feedback from you to be like, How do you think you feel? How do you think you do? Like, so they can get feedback from you to then move forwards and stuff like that as well.

SPEAKER_02 35:03

And that right there is a point of what I was saying to like a client that isn't seeing changes in two years. I mean changes like that. When a coach gets data, why didn't anything change? They just repeat the same thing. Jamie gets that data from oh shit, I knew that we should have done that or shouldn't have done that, boom, implements it right away for the next show. That's how you change things, even if it's very minute details. You change things because, especially at your level, at a national competitor level, that's like a consistent first call out where they're really trying to get that pro card. All of that data really fucking matters. All data matters in general. Like, how are you responding to X amount of food? How is this training doing with you? How all that type of shit, right? But all the way down to the fine details of shit. I knew that we should have done that on stage. All right, we know for next time, implement it, boom. And so that's what I mean when I say things aren't changing for a long period of time. Doesn't mean the physique. You, as the athlete, a lot of people get prep goggles. You're gonna look in the mirror and be like, oh, I don't look good. That's not what I mean by not changing. I mean like you did a show or you gave your coach this feedback about X, Y, and Z distension. This is how I'm feeling with these foods. And they just say, stick to the plan, and nothing changes. Or you compete, you get feedback, or your coach sees you on stage, nothing changes into the next show. Like, why? Something's there. There's judging feedback, there's the coach's eye of your physique on stage. Something needs to change to win the show. You got fifth place. Why did you get fifth place? Because of X, Y, and Z. We know for next time not to do this, and it's implemented. That's a good fucking coach. So, and to your point of um communication with the coach, I actually had, I'm not gonna name names or coaches, but I had a bikini pro reach out to me. Hey, I have a coach, I have a trainer, I um I wanted to reach out to you and let you know that I'm just not happy with my training progress. I don't like the plan that I'm doing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, and the coach is gonna listen to this because I know they listen and will laugh at this. Um, so I told them almost always the first thing I say is, hey, I'm not just gonna immediately take you on as a client like this. You need to communicate this with your coach, let them know so that they can approve you to be like, yes, go train with Corey. That sounds good to me, like he'll take care of you. Or maybe they're gonna like be like, okay, well, what's the issue? Which is exactly what happened. The communication from the coach to them was let me relay this over to the trainer so that we can all talk about this and figure out a better way of going about this. And if after a few months that isn't working out for you, there's Corey.

SPEAKER_00 37:32

So exactly. And I think sometimes that's and that's what you then pay your coach for, literally for that communication purposes. And it's easy for you to go be like, like, for example, like again, we do this podcast, we talk about a lot of stuff. Like, again, she could have heard our conversations, your knowledge, all that type of thing, and want to work with you. That's absolutely fine. I'm not getting feedback, I'm not doing this, whatever, or I don't feel like I don't like my plan. Exactly what you you did. She reaches out to you immediately, whereas she could just reach out to her coach and just say, hey, like I'm not like, you know, I've been hearing this, this, this. But on the flip side, the hard thing is now there's almost like two, sometimes there is too much data. So then sometimes it does make the athlete feel like, okay, should I be doing this in XYZ then? Because that's what I've definitely felt before. Like, I'm like, well, do I need to be doing this? Still communicate that to your coach, even if you feel like it's an annoyance, communicate to your coach because then they can go, well, actually, we could try that if you want to, and then we can see how it goes. If it doesn't work out, then we can do it, do something else. Do you know what I mean? Whether that be training, whether that be like diet or whatever. Like, but don't be the person that feels like they need to change constantly. It is like that, that all the time. Like it's always going up and down and figuring out, like, okay, what works best for you because ultimately it's about you. Like, it's not about like anyone else. Like, you could see a bikini pro doing four glute days and be like, oh, do I need to do four glute days? No, because you've got the development there. But because you see your favorite bikini girl do it, then you feel like you need to do it, you know? Or it's the same with exercises. So I think, oh, actually, Kerrigan said one the other day. I think um, obviously, because her back, she's got obviously an issue with her back, she has to do a few exercises differently, right?

SPEAKER_02 39:18

Oh, yeah, we were talking about that. I have her do RDLs very differently than most people would do RDLs, but it's because she's had two back surgeries. And so I always point out, I'm like, when she reshares a story, she gets like, she gets like seven or eight thousand views per story. Like when she puts a story up. That's a lot of people that are like influenced by that. And I've put out there, I'm like, hey, when we post your RDL, we need to make it clear that you have two back surgeries in your past or doing it this way for a reason. I do would never have the masses do it this way. And the same thing goes with like, I've had athletes reach out. Oh, I saw you repost one of your clients um doing her uh hamstring curls like this or her squats like this. Is this what you want me doing? And I'm like, if I wanted you doing it that way, I would have told you that in the feedback I gave you last week. Yeah. Like, so just like don't look at other people and think that that is what you need to be doing. Like, like you said, communicate with the coach, communicate with the trainer, ask.

SPEAKER_00 40:11

Yeah, it that's always that's always gonna be the way forward. And again, like you said, you communicate it if it's not working, then you can seek for change. Because I feel like that is the issue in the industry where it is that's where you see people coach hopping, which also there's nothing wrong with going to different people for opinions and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 40:28

Yeah, try someone out every week.

SPEAKER_00 40:29

But yeah, why not? Why not? It's because if you then don't have that communication with the coach at the beginning, then that's why you'll probably hop or go to someone else because their opinion, they're listening to you probably a little bit more so, um, because you've communicated that to them versus your coach, you know?

SPEAKER_02 40:47

So also think of this aspect. If you have someone, this just shows the um immorality and lack of ethics that a lot of people in this industry have is, and this happens a lot. People outside, like let's say you go to a gym, right? And you're a competitor, you have a coach, you're going to a gym and you're hitting things a certain way. Everyone in that gym, like let's let's just a regular gym where everyone knows each other, right? Like the staff knows you, blah, blah, blah. There's a coach there, there's a trainer there, they have multiple trainers. The people that come up to you, the employees that come up to you, or even just the general public that's there, maybe there's like a prep coach that goes there, they come up to you and they try to give input on what you should be doing. Oh, you're getting you're six weeks out and you're that lean already, or they're having you eat what? Or I saw you post this, why would you be doing that? Any coach like that, not only is it like a poaching method, but it shows the lack of knowledge of that coach. Because anyone that understands how a prep works, how coaching actually works, knows that you cannot weigh in on what someone is doing when you don't know the history leading up to it. You don't know why they're eating that before their workout. You don't know why they're taking this supplement. You don't know why they look ready six weeks out. Because them, the the coach and the athlete, they have communication with each other on what's going on. Obviously, there's the times that it could just be the coach sucks, but whatever. The majority of the time, there is the the fact of the matter is that there is a reason behind the badness. There is a, yeah, I'm ready this far ahead of time because my coach let me know that we're we're gonna get ready to do mock peak weeks and then fill me back out and reverse me into the show, whatever it may be. Any coach that is coming up with that kind of like poaching method, that kind of communication, is showing their lack of knowledge in the field. Because any good coach knows that, oh yeah, they look that way. I don't know why they're that lean ahead of time. I don't know why they're eating that, but there's like, who knows what happened? Like, who knows what they were told last show, or who knows like what data the coach has to be doing that ahead of time. I don't know, so I can't speak on it.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

So no, I completely agree. I think it's it's it's difficult when you know that especially that thing happens in prep and you don't know how to kind of handle it. You're like, well, what do what you know, what do I say to that? Like, what do I do? Because if you're new to competing as well, you're like, okay, how do I respond to people that are talking to me in that manner? Honestly, say hi and buy. Like, literally, that's it. That that your prep is your prep for a reason. And like you have to always have trust and faith in the co in your coach that you're doing the plan, like executing it to what you need to be. Yes, there's gonna be opinions, there's always gonna be opinions now more than ever, I think. Back in my day, when uh in 2016, there was wasn't really Instagram as much, and people wouldn't kind of share as much what they were doing in prep. So, like honestly, if I was doing stuff, like I was eating like six to not six, that was actually very, very low, like below a thousand calories. I won't lie, at like some point, no one would say shit because we didn't really say anything, and also we weren't in communication with that's how people knew what I was doing. But it worked, and I was winning shows and I was getting the progress I needed, so I just did it. Whereas now everyone has an impact. Input, everyone wants to know what's going on, which there's also better ways of doing preps, of course, as well. But like you just tune it out, you don't listen to other people, you do what you need to do, and then you assess after with your coach. So ultimately, this whole conversation is literally down to say, like, try not let any like other opinions like come into your preps because it's so hard to then listen to your coach and have that trust. Because mentally, if you're getting other people saying, Oh, you need to do this, you need to do that, you need to do that, you then question your coach. If your coach changes something based off something you've heard that you've given it to them, it's then skewed data. Do you know what I mean? So it then kind of veers away from the path that they're actually wanting to give for you, you know, because they're trying to help you and what you want to do.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

Anyway, so 100%. And that falls right in line with what you and I do for a career, like as a trainer and opposing coach, like unless asked specifically and only within our like wheelhouse, you should not have a trainer or opposing coach that is giving input on what you're doing with prep. Yeah. Like if for some reason the supplement stack that you're taking or the amount of cardio you're doing or something comes up in conversation, it's not my job to go, why is your coach having you do that much cardio? I wouldn't be doing that. It's not Phoebe's job to go, your shoulders are way too big for bikini. Like, it's not our job to do that type of stuff. That is on the prep coach. We do our job. Um, and that's why I'm very hesitant when I always when I see people that are prep coaches that also do posing coaching. And it's like, yeah, I keep the two separate because it is very, very hard to work in that gray area. To many coaches, many people in general, don't have an ego that they can put aside where their main job is being a prep coach, but I also offer posing. There's always that little bit of ego that wants to take over when you're posing someone else's client that wants to weigh in on what they're doing. And it's that's why it's nice to be just a trainer, just a posing coach, because you're not supposed to weigh in on that type of shit. That's what ends up making the client second guess their coach. That's what ends up causing relationship issues, um, colleague-wise, like me with a me with a coach, you with a coach. Like you just don't do that type of shit.

SPEAKER_00 46:11

So yeah, exactly. Um and then you've put something your core is a physical physiologist. I can't say that word.

SPEAKER_02 46:22

What one was it? I copied and pasted from the DMs. Um oh, philosophies on training.

SPEAKER_00 46:29

Why was I say philosophy? That's what I wanted to say, but that was completely incorrect. That's how I read it. I was like, Philosophy incorrect. Philly, the philosophies, the philosophies of Corey's training.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

When it comes to honestly, like, and I think I said this a few months ago, but we do have like newer listeners too. But training philosophies, like really, and Brett Contreras actually posts something about this the other day in terms of like how many people are out there just recreating movement pattern wheels, and it's crazy. Like an RDL doesn't have that much variance person by person. There are differences, like we just said with Kerrigan, for instance, there's differences in how someone needs to hit it based on them as an individual, but there is a baseline of how you do something. Um, and the main thing is are you feeling this properly? Are we getting it biased where we want it to, like glute versus hamstring? And are we making sure that like our lower back, our rectors aren't engaging in the movement? And if that's a yes across the board for the athlete, why am I then trying to be like, okay, but this is how I like to do it? Let me change this. There's there's no point in that. Um, now, of course, there's like differences with each person, like biomechanics, their movement patterns in individual where there's little variances. But my training philosophy is mainly just evidence-based training. I don't like the term necessarily science-based because science, you can I can go and find data that disproves everything. This one says this, this one says this. So it's like I don't like using that terminology really, but evidence-based, meaning this is what we know works. Anecdotally, this is what has worked with thousands of people. And so let's base it off of this and then work at that for you as an individual, for your biomechanics. How is this going to work for you based on your judging feedback, what the coach wants to see come up on up or down on your physique? And let's implement these movement patterns. So that's where I base things off of. And then I kind of have like a hierarchy tier list of what I find like most important, philosophy-wise. Number one, form execution. That's the that's the basics from the second you step foot in the gym for the first when you're 16 years old, is how to perform the lifts. Get the basics down, form execution all the way up to the top of the Olympia level. Um, and really in any sport, um, is the execution of how you're doing the exercise and making that work for you. After that is just the um the sequencing of muscle groups and exercises. If you're someone that is told um that you have a lagging chest, why am I going to have you hitting your shoulders for two to three exercises prior to going into a chest press movement? Yeah. Same thing with same thing with um bikini athletes when we're talking about glutes versus quads, hamstrings versus this, like being able to sequence exercises properly to go in with the least amount of fatigue and the maximum amount of expenditure possible for the muscle group that is lagging to not have a secondary muscle group become a primary and start to take over from that movement. Um, and then after that, the last thing that I have is literally a list that I have when I go through things, is the frequency that they're training throughout the week. And there is, and this is another evidence and science-based thing, is the um frequency helps with recovery as well as not like breaking down and having so much systemic inflammation and CNS fatigue over time, is instead of destroying a muscle group one day a week, let's hit it more repeatedly and get that blood flow, get that expenditure at a more frequent rate throughout the week. Like instead of me going in and just destroying my shoulders on Monday and then all right, don't got to touch them again for another like five, six days. Why wouldn't I pair them with doing something after chest or with triceps and just hit that frequency throughout the week? You don't need three, four exercises in one day for your triceps to grow. You need one to two exercises two to three times a week. Same thing goes with glutes, same thing goes with quads. When we destroy a muscle group and then go into trying to hit another muscle group a day or two later, we still have that inflammation and fatigue and soreness built up, where that's immediately going to be a detriment to going into the workout in the following days when trying to hit other muscle groups, as well as what it affects on just the um visual side of things with the inflammation and the water retention, how it can just fuck up like what we're actually visually seeing and wanting to work on on top of sleep, recovery going into training the next day. Yeah. So all those types of things matter. I'm a big fan of overall frequency. Um, of course, we're like rest days are in there as well. Like I could tell you a typical, like, I don't want to say typical bikini split because I have a million different splits I've written, but a typical one is doing like two days on, one day off, three days on, one day off, with three lower body days in there, two maybe glute isolated with one full lower body day, where depending on the person, obviously we have a little bit of clawed and hamstring in there. Um, and then two upper body days, just depending on the person. So three lower body days, two upper body days with two recovery days, but you're getting that frequency in that we want. You're able to hit three different lower body days throughout the week where we do glute isolate, but we don't annihilate the glutes. We're there to make sure that we are getting them broken down properly to be able to be recovered and built back up by the next time we hit it. And even on a full lower body day where I may be more compound focused with some leg presses and posterior focused in the hamstrings, I still might end that day with, yep, let's do some abductions and kickbacks just to get that flow to the glutes and aid in recovery because blood flow to a muscle group aids in recovery so that we're good going into the next glute day. So that was a very long rant, but those are my those are literally my training philosophies. Yes, very true of the long rant.

SPEAKER_00 52:21

Yeah, no, very true it was a long rant. But I also do agree with that because I do think that sometimes it is like again, you see people like absolutely, which again, sometimes you do have to absolutely smash that muscle group to also make it grow. But like I said, I like that frequency one that you said because I've definitely been there where I'm like, well, I'll just, you know, smash my upper body or like my glutes or something like that harder now, and then in like a say four days' time, I'll do the same again. Whereas I could actually perform the exercises well, better, and then hit them two days later instead of like waiting all that time and recovering probably like shit throughout that whole time. Then also, is that gonna be good for my other sessions and stuff like that? Probably not. Yeah, so no, I'm gonna.

SPEAKER_02 53:08

And when I say when I say the frequency, that doesn't mean that intensity is any less. It just means that we're not sitting there doing a glute day of seven exercises straight, every set to failure, and then we're just fucking taxed and done and it causes a million other issues. It means that we might be selecting four glute exercises, still taking appropriate amount of sets to failure and within like reps and reserve ranges, and maybe adding in some intensifiers here and there. And then you're still ready to go within a couple days because it wasn't just a ridiculous caloric expenditure day of how hard can I kill myself in the gym today. You're able to get back to it two to three days later.

SPEAKER_00 53:44

Yeah, that makes sense. I think that's good. It's it's it's interesting hearing that philosophy as well, because like well, I mean it's it's very not not easy, but it's very like true to what should be done. But again, anyone that's new listening or someone that's new into training might just think I'm just gonna smash every single session as hard as I can go, and that be the best way to grow or to improve. And it may be, but also thinking smarter might also be as well, you know.

SPEAKER_02 54:10

And on top of that, too, you there's always like PEDs that come into place with stuff where when some people watching videos on YouTube or on Instagram, some amateurs coming up might see how someone is training and relate that to themselves. And you got to remember that some people have like these physiological like changes because or like like superhuman recovery because of what they're taking. So don't always think like I'm this goes for men and women. I'm watching how hard this person trains, how many working sets they do every single day. They don't take a day off for five days straight. Well, there might be supplementation in place that is allowing for that. Is it still it's still not the most healthy way of going about things? It's still definitely not the most optimal in terms of recovery and proper growth, but can it work because there's supplementation in play? Of course. Like that's an entire different ballgame at that point. But regardless, that's not to say that doing things the way that I just said with supplementation won't be even better.

SPEAKER_00 55:05

So yeah, I agree. Was there any other questions? I think that was the other only other question. I think that was it. That's been all we have.

SPEAKER_01 55:12

All right, bye everyone.

SPEAKER_00 55:13

Yeah, bye everyone. We have small, small amount of um questions today, and then that was pretty much it. So, but I actually really liked how we were talking about.

SPEAKER_02 55:21

Oh no, there's one for you. There's one for you that was on here. What um posing tips when posing on your own and how to work on posing conditioning.

SPEAKER_00 55:29

Ooh, okay. Oh, so yeah, kind of very similar to what I was saying before with um posing. If you can pose with someone, pose with someone. Like, even when I'm here, obviously we have multiple football diffusion athletes here. So, like, and when people are coming in and out, we've been posing with each other. So the ultimate best way to one, make friends in the industry, but also to like practice your posing is posing with people because it's gonna mimic how it actually feels on stage. If you don't get that option, literally take a chair or something that resembles a human, like a human body, put it next to you and pose next to something that feels like that. Don't put like a sign or like something small that's next to you because again, it can feel comfortable. Put something that is actually quite large next to you, like an actual chair that you have to maneuver around and move around, so then you can get the sense of what it will feel like on stage. Because that's that's one thing I think I didn't, I was the same when I did the Arnolds. Like I only really start, well, I mean, we only really started practicing next to each other when obviously Amy came into town from Phoenix when we were posing next to each other, and I was like, oh, this actually feels like I posed bigger before, like I was posing bigger. Then when I was next to people, I was posing smaller because I was being aware of their space. Whereas you have to be aware of your space, you know, you have to take up your own space and hit your pose correctly, not just because you can feel someone next to you, you know, and be concerned about them. So it's hard, it's like a lot harder because you again, you might not have the option to practice with people. But like I said, if you can get that practice in with either people or pose, even it sounds silly, but like posing in a smaller area. So like I know everyone always says, Oh, I need to pose in a big area and like a big space, actually posing in a smaller area can make you feel a bit more uncomfortable in a sense, but you still have to hit everything the exact same, you know?

SPEAKER_02 57:21

I like that actually thinking of that. Like even thinking of someone who doesn't pose, like for bikini, like thinking of the idea of being in a smaller, confined space where you can't where you have to stay in your box, like you have to stay to yourself. I like that.

SPEAKER_00 57:35

Like in a hallway or something like that. Like if you have a tight hallway or like a doorway or something like that, like that's a good place to kind of practice because obviously, again, you've got the walls literally right there to stop you from shifting or moving or anything like that. And I know obviously people then change that and like, oh, actually, I'll just, you know, because I've got small space, I'm just gonna go in a bigger space. And but you don't always get that option on stage. And most of the time, you actually don't get that option on stage at all, even with pros. Like you'll be next to each other and crammed next to each other. And you know, in pro shows nowadays, you're in a call-out, first call out is like eight to potentially even sometimes ten bikini pros. So you've got to literally be on a stage with 10 other people and you still have to hit your poses correctly. So you have to get used to posing in a confined space, but still hit everything correctly. So that's what I would always say. Try and like practice, honestly, basically just mimic what it will be like on stage more. Because I think we practice routine, we practice, you know, all the solo stuff a lot. And then we forget our solo stuff lasts a minute maximum. And then, you know, you're hitting things inconsistently or doing things differently when you're then next to people that were in a group setting. So, really, really try and focus more so on the comparisons because honestly, the individuals don't always matter the most. That's just the first impression. If your physique is good enough, you will be next to the the girls that they want to see, but they'll be next to you more and you'll be out there more. So you'll need to make sure that you're prepared for that.

SPEAKER_02 59:02

Like that. Um ready from ready for my tip. All right. No, I actually have I know I actually do have one thing that I tell people. Um, if you want to see the history, the inconsistencies in your front and back pose. This has nothing to do with transitions, nothing to do with your routine or your walk. Set up your tripod, put your phone in front of you, put it on time lapse, hit record, go and stand in front of it and hold your front pose for 60 seconds straight. Turn to the back, hold your back pose for 60 seconds straight. Go back and watch that on the time lapse, and those 60 seconds condense down to like seven seconds. You will see how much you let your stomach hang out. You will see if after 40 seconds you start to dip one way or you start to like relax in a certain position in your back pose. You will start to see if you start to like pull a little bit tighter, arch too much, if like one glute starts to become a little bit uneven because of something going on with your hips. This time lapse can then show you a million different things that you need to fix. It, whether it be from a like body work standpoint of oh shit, like after like holding my pose that long, my hips start to dip like that. I need to get like some body work done there, like some deep tissue work done, or maybe it's something in my training that's wrong. In your front pose, it can show you that stamina of how long, 20 seconds, 30 seconds, 40 seconds, you're able to keep tight and keep that like natural flow to your physique before you start doing that stiff arm, before you start being like, oh, I'm getting out of breath, and you start tightening up moving more or like moving more, yes. Yeah, how much you're like twisting, and if you like drop a little bit. So those time lapses help a ton. I tell people to do that whenever like they might ask me, like, hey, just wondering like how you feel we're at, like dogs are barking. They're still going. My goodness. Someone rang the doorbell. I don't know how to get this. I'll get back on this in a sec. We took our doorbell out because there was like some issue going on with it where um oh my god, they're still going. You can't hand them that much to be found. Okay, good. There was an issue going on with it, so we just took the doorbell off. So there's just a couple like wires sticking out.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:13

We've had people literally come to the door and take the two wires and put them together to ring the doorbell. I was like, Are you kidding me right now? And you're like, really? Back on that topic. Um, where was I going with that? I don't remember what. Oh, so yeah, in the poses themselves, you do this with your mandatories with the front and back pose. Because, like you said, too, over that 60 second period of time, when it condenses it down to six to seven seconds in a time lapse, you'll hit play and you'll immediately see at what point, like it, because it's not a subtle when it's in a time lapse, it shows it fast. So if you're sitting there holding your front pose, and then all of a sudden by the end, you see your circle like this. You're like, oh shit. So after a period of time, that's what I do, or your hips move in the back pose, or your adductors start to poke out too much because you start to squeeze a little bit too hard or push a little bit too hard in the back pose. Like things like that can show you a ton. And so I have people that like will ask me in a check-in, like, hey, how do you feel? I'm looking like balance-wise, blah, blah, blah. Do we need to update anything in training? And I'm like, hey, this is like do this with your front and back pose. And I'll say, I'll tell it to the coaches too. We have like a group chat sometimes, and I'll be like, do this and give this recommendation. And then we're able to see, because in a still photo, and maybe you do this, maybe you don't. There are a million athletes out there that for their check-in photos, if you scrolled through that morning's photos, there are 20 front poses taken, 20 back poses taken because you're looking for the one you want to send your coach. Is that a good way of going about it? Yes, in a sense, because you're pick you want your coach to see you displaying your physique in the best way possible. But at the same time, is that showing them what you need to work on to when you get into your front and back pose? Not at all. So sending a video is always good too, but those time lapses help a fuck ton with that.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:53

Yeah. No, a hundred percent. And I think that's always the hardest thing is like, oh no, I need to send the best, the best photo. I need to send the best, which again, that's their best representative. But if you can send your coach a video if they want to, obviously, even suggest it, even if you're like, you know, I feel uncomfortable asking. No, just ask them and say, Hey, can I send you my posing video just front to back, back to front, and get feedback from that so they can see how you're moving. That also helps them in terms of see how lean you are, because sometimes just a still picture, it's fine, but if they can see you actually moving in the poses and stuff, they can see how lean you are, they can see your shape more, they can see multiple things, and they can also pick out posing things that you might also want to change. So, videos are always gonna be better than photos and as such, but both is also better as well, you know? Yeah, 100%. So 100%. Anyway, and that's it for today.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:45

All right, so I expect a time, I just expect a time lapse video tomorrow morning.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:48

I know, literally, I'm gonna be doing time slaps. That's actually a really that's a good like little tip to be fair. I've never thought of doing a time lapse for posing because obviously, yeah, you just don't think of it like that. But that's I can't remember who it was.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:00

Someone told me about that like a couple years ago. I can't remember if it was a coach, a client, or what. And then I was like, that makes a lot of sense. Then I started thinking about it, and I was like, that can show you everything you need to work on because it's like it's hard to see differences over, let's say you take a video and it's 30 seconds long. You hit your transitions, you hit your back pose, your front pose. It's hard to pinpoint where something happened. When you take a time lapse, you know that it was over this period of time, but because it speeds it up so much, you can immediately pause it where you see the dip or the hip movement or the adductor push. Like you can just see it in that spot, and you're like, okay, we know that this happened. Now let's figure out why.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:39

So yeah, 100% agreed. I like that. Approved by me. Perfect.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:45

Posing portal approved.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:46

Yeah, pretty much. So I'm happy with that. Um, but yes, guys, thank you so much for watching. The next one will be won't be a show day one, but I think the Arnold's list will be out, and I'll be in the I feel like every time we do the podcast, I'm in a different area. So I'll be in the UK this time.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:03

Yeah, I know we wanted to do like a one here, but we we don't have the setup for this. I don't have the technology mind to do that while you're in person with me.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:11

And that's okay, and that's fine. We're we'll just stick to online. So, but next week I'll be in the UK. We can discuss obviously UK Arnolds, we can kind of go through things, and then if there are any questions, obviously comment down below now in this episode. So then we can read them out for next week and then go from there.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:26

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:27

Thanks, guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:27

Right, we'll see you in the next one.