SPEAKER_03 0:00

Um it is what's the day today? Well we're in different Thursday for you. Thursday for me.

SPEAKER_01 0:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:10

What's the time for you at the moment? Half five.

SPEAKER_02 0:12

Five thirty, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:13

Or five thirty, yeah. So we're almost twenty-four hours. No, we're not. We're almost twelve hours apart. Yeah. So um, but no, I landed uh two days ago. So I'm kind of like still yeah, so I'm still kind of like grasping everything, getting to getting to everything because I'm a little bit like all over the place. But it's been good. How long's that flight? I don't even know where Bali is on the map, so so it's in it's in Asia, obviously, um Indonesia, and it's like obviously I didn't I didn't know that. Like obviously I had no clue. I had no clue. I mean, I where so it's nine hours from Dubai.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

So Oh shit, okay, it's a minute.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

It's quite far even from us. Yeah. Like it's far because Asia is so like we forget that Asia is actually so fucking far away. Yeah. So because we're near Australia right now. Like I'm three, four, well, a certain part of Australia. I don't know what part of Australia, but it's like I'm closer to Australia right now than I am Dubai.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:25

So I'm far. I'm far. Um I'm real far the other side. But it's nice being back, it's nice being here again because I came here last year and it was a lot of fun. But I'm here for seven weeks. So we'll be starting with that parents, which is gonna be really cool. So that's cool. But there's loads, like I think people not underestimate Bali, but I do think that people don't understand how like fitness-based it is here from all aspects, like not just bodybuilding, but like high rock space, it's a Pilates, like it's a bring in huge like fitness hub here. Um and then it's really easy to like eat clean here. So it's been it's been great. It's been good so far. We're just kind of setting up. So we're just kind of finding our roots this week, and then we'll go from there. How's your week been so far?

SPEAKER_02 2:14

Ridiculously busy, like probably the busiest week of that in a long time. We had Karen's birthday party. Yeah. Um, so which was a happy birthday for that. Yes, I will let her know. Um, but yeah, her birthday's today. So um Kenzie flew in, Trevor flew in, Ashley came out, like just a lot of people flew in for it, and then a bunch of our local friends. So we hosted a lot of people for a few nights. Ashley stayed for the whole week to train, um, and then obviously just regular work on top of that. And then um I have Finley here. We're packing for Toronto and we leave tomorrow. It's just been a busy, busy, busy week. I think I signed, I think I got 17 new athletes I brought on in the last like two weeks, two weeks. So getting all their programs knocked out because I don't like to. Some people can do this fine. Like I've seen Drew do it, I've seen James do it. I don't work like a robot like that when I travel. I do not want to break out my laptop and do work when I am at shows or in my hotel room. Like, yeah, I'm there because I just want to focus on the athletes, I want to enjoy the show, I want to go to the post-show dinner. Um, it's hard for me to want to like break out my laptop and be like, I'll just save this for when I'm at a show this weekend. Like I try to get everything done I can before I um take off on my flight.

SPEAKER_03 3:26

So yeah. And that's the hardest part. It's like it makes you feel like you're like, I just want to like be in the moment, in those, like in those moments, because they're really big pinnacle points in your life as well, like Kerrigan's birthday, Kerrigan's like first show of the year. So it's like also like Jess's as well, and like it's it's a big part in like the whole journey. So you're like, I don't want to just keep you know focusing on other things like too much, and that's that's important as well. It's super important in a lot of coaches' lives and stuff as well, not just like athletes.

SPEAKER_02 3:57

Oh, yeah, no, for sure. No, I'm really excited for Toronto, though. It's gonna be we'll look at the list here in a sec, but a lot of people don't know that this is one of Canada's bigger pro qualifier shows as well. It's one of their national shows. So Saturday is the pro card show, and then Sunday is the pro show. Um, and in total, I have 19 people this weekend. So I'm I'm not leaving my seat like all weekend, pretty much. Yeah, like I get everything from classic, men's physique, bikini, fit model, and wellness I have going on this week. Pro and amateur. So I'm picking a good spot in the audience. I'm just chilling watching the show from start to finish.

SPEAKER_03 4:31

Yeah, it's gonna be a fun weekend. That's always good though. And have you got any amateur? You've got amateur athletes as well, haven't you?

SPEAKER_02 4:38

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:39

I have let's have a look at them for sure. Yes, I have one.

SPEAKER_02 4:42

Six pro and the rest are all amateur. There's all there's a good amount of pro qualifier this weekend.

SPEAKER_03 4:47

Okay, let's definitely try and pick some pick some people out because it'd be cool to we should have done that before to be fair. We should have been like, yeah, put in your people so we can kind of have a look at everyone and stuff like that. So um, but let's go. I'm excited for them.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

Did you see the Toronto Pro just posted that it's the um most athletes they've ever had in the history of their show?

SPEAKER_03 5:06

Really? Damn. What is in like bikini or like overall?

SPEAKER_02 5:10

Uh across the um pro qualifier, the amateurs, the most amateurs they've ever had in their show.

SPEAKER_03 5:15

That's so good. That is so good. Um and Ashley Casey.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

I know, I saw that. I was wondering if it was gonna be mile high. It's always fucking mile high.

SPEAKER_03 5:25

So yeah, you're like, it's either Toronto or Mile High, but it is usually well, because Mile High and Toronto always do they always fall on the same weekend, or is it only this weekend they fell?

SPEAKER_02 5:35

I think that they have been in the past. Um, but I mean, Mile High, she's won like three years in a row. So she she's been consistently doing that show. So I expected it. I just didn't know if she was gonna come out or not. I was like, if she's coming out this early, or if she's gonna start soon, it's gonna be mile high. So here she is.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

Yeah. So okay, let's go, let's take it back to you, DC Pro and you had France Pro. So DC Pro, we had Issa winning, um, which we we knew she would be a top runner, but it's cool to see like such high-level athletes kind of give her a run for her money and stuff like that as well. But we had Issa in first, Marie Eve in second, Brittany in third, um Bree in fourth, Marza in fifth, and then Brittany in sixth. So this was a really good top six, if I'm honest. They're all Olympians Bar, Marcer. And it's crazy because I honestly, oh yeah, and Brie. And I the thing is, I feel like Marza has competed at the Olympia, but she's just been very close to competing at the Olympia, which is crazy. Like, I'm like, yeah, she's competed at the Olympia. Um, but yeah, how did you find Issa's package?

SPEAKER_02 6:53

It was great. I mean, I like I don't think there was too much change from Optimum the previous week. Um, obviously, the front pose is absolutely undeniable. She hit it spot on again, suit like waist is non-existent, angling's perfect, um, glutes are full, like absolutely no drop-off anywhere in that side glute projection. So balance top to bottom, look phenomenal. Um, Marie Eve gave it a run, though. Um, I think I think I had messaged you this. When we turn it to the back, um, I think Marie might have pushed it a little more. You can see there. Yeah. Um, I think she gave her a bit more of a run for the money. But to me, if you this isn't necessarily how judging is done, but if I were looking at it just as a trainer or just a trained eye on this, I see it as if Issa's front pose is a 10 out of 10 and her back pose is let's say an eight out of 10, you gotta like Marie Eve needs to be pushing that nine out of ten front and back, and I don't think that the front pose was pushing Issa enough.

SPEAKER_03 7:51

Yeah. So it's hard to be pushing Issa in the front pose as well because she has such incredible taper. But I do think sometimes it brings, like we said before, in Miami, sometimes it brings out her flaws more than she thinks, but also that was and that was something down to angling and stuff like that, which James also actually kind of likes to work out on his page and stuff like that as well. So, but I do think that this was a great front shot. I think she's already done a great job at fixing like what she needed to from Miami to all these shows, which is exactly why she's continued to keep competing as well. So, but yeah, I agree with the the Marie Eve statement and stuff like that. And I think Marie Eve has definitely also improved since the Arnolds US because we haven't seen her since the Arnold US.

SPEAKER_04 8:38

For sure.

SPEAKER_03 8:38

So I think she's coming in a lot leaner, and she's come in, she's come in like fuller and leaner, I feel, for what she was doing, what she had previously before.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

Um to all the media, and this is no knock on any specific media page, but to media pages out there that love to do their comparisons going into shows. I commented. They had like a I can't remember who the image was of, but it was Issa and a couple others that were in there that they threw up on an image and they said something along, will this be the top three? You're looking forward to this matchup. And I literally commented in there and I tagged Marie Eve and I said, How are you guys forgetting the four-time Olympian that is literally stepping on this stage? And here she goes and gets second place. Like I know. I wish that there was a little bit more, I don't want to say knowledge, just like I understand that media pages are trying to just vastly cover every division, which is awesome, but like get a little bit more in depth with it. Like understand who's stepping on these stages. Like Marie E is nobody to not put on a post.

SPEAKER_03 9:37

No, I completely agree with that. And I do think that that happens more often than not at a lot of shows, anyway. Um, they'll kind of put their main front runner up and I guess not have all eyes on them, but like it'll be like, hey, this is the big ticket person and all that type of thing, which I think is great because they've also earned their flowers as well. But I love when we see kind of a mix of every person in the lineup or more people with other sets and stuff like that as well. I completely agree. Um, and then we had Britney Gillespie.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

Um much improved from the week before. Much improved.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

Perfect. What do you feel like she improved?

SPEAKER_02 10:17

I don't know if we I don't want to make us pull up the previous week, but it's like I something in her front pose was off at optimum, I think it was. Whether it was angling, if it was something not displaying properly through the picture with conditioning or fullness, something was just so that front pose is not a good front pose in general. It looks like she's sat in it, it doesn't look like she's transitioning. So something's off in the arch in the lean of that front pose, but in general, the delt in her lat in the glute fullness just isn't there in comparison to this next week. Um, she looks way more balanced. Way more balanced.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

Yeah, you can see I really love this look on her. Love this look. It looks like she's slightly leaning back in the previous one, so like she's over, almost like overposing in the front pose. So like twisting around the upper body too much or flaring the arm too much, and it probably offset her maybe a little bit. I'm not too sure, but it definitely looks like this one. She's and I think the amount of uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:20

Oh, I think we're off like another two seconds from each other again. Um, no, I was gonna say, I think the leaning of that is was also like putting pressure attention on that planted leg because it was making her glutes slant more than it is, like almost like flex a little bit. Whereas here, super full and round. So I'm like that this is 10 times better the following week.

SPEAKER_03 11:39

So yeah, it looks a lot better in terms of like how she's how she's presenting it. She was gonna I was gonna say she's standing up a lot taller as well. So like you can see just a lot more of her hourglass like shape when she's like that, versus because it's so easy to overpose because they're like, Yeah, I really need to like show off my hourglass and show off my S curve, and like it actually takes away from it a lot of the times. So most of the time is doing less and standing up so your shape can actually just be shown through your muscle and everything that you already have, you know. Um, yeah, that's that's always something that you just need to focus on, and then um back pose, I think, was great as well. She has a really good back pose, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

Very good, very good.

SPEAKER_03 12:20

She's a really good back pose. Brie Wilson in fourth. Brie Wilson's had an interesting season so far. She's been kind of one that's been up and down with where she's been placing, and I think it's really cool to show that like some shows comes it, she comes in different, some shows she comes in more, but it also depends on like the lineup she's in front of, and I think that's really it's really interesting because she's still showing up regardless because she wants to get qualified for the Olympia, she's gonna get qualified for the Olympia at some point in her journey, but that doesn't mean she should stop now. So I think she's just keep going. She's doing Toronto as well, isn't she?

SPEAKER_02 13:00

Yeah, she's doing Toronto. I'm sure she'll do one more after that, and I think she's doing Vancouver as well. So there's might be one more in the middle of that as well. Um, but no, you nailed exactly what I was gonna say. With Bree, it's like she has a great physique. She's just one of those that is heavily dependent on who's in the lineup right now. She's not like crazy seasoned, um, whereas you have someone like Marie Eve, where if Marie Eve brings this look to any show, she will be in first callout. Um, Brie, just development-wise, has just little bits to still go and still just nail down, but she's still been very consistent. Even with that consistency, you've seen her get as low as like outside of first callouts and as high as placing fourth year in a really good lineup. So very heavily dependent on like who she's standing around. Um, I think this lineup uh being a bit bit denser across the board really helped her.

SPEAKER_03 13:50

Yeah. And that's sometimes just how it goes as well. Like that's just sometimes how it comes comes to be. And I think it's also really good for the athlete to keep in these moments, keep pushing because they're only going to develop and learn more about what they need to bring to the bring to the stage next time. So I like, you know, I commend Brie a lot, and I know it's fucking tough because I've been there multiple times where it's like, cool, placing's all over the place. One minute you're in a high, next minute you're like out of the top five or whatever, and you're like, what the fuck is going on? But I do think that that one, this is bodybuilding, and not everyone's gonna have the same opinion, not everyone's gonna have the same like view on your physique. That is okay, but also it doesn't mean you should stop what you're doing unless there's huge changes to be made. Sometimes it is just a case of keep going, and that is the hardest thing to do sometimes to keep going and keep competing when it is like this and up and down and up and down. Um, and I I feel like I've seen quite a few athletes this season that have had that as well, and it's tough, it really is fucking tough. But keep going, you're only gonna get better from these moments for sure. Yeah so um and then we've got Marza. Masa, her return. Yeah, she has a really, really good look. Master's return back to stage because she hasn't done a show this season, this year, sorry, has she? No, not this year. So, but she did a few shows last year. That's why she's like just I think she's just outside of the top 25 now, but she was on the top 25 for a while. So obviously now she's like, okay, cool, I need to make sure that I get these points to keep climbing up. So she did really, really well, and obviously, I think she's only gonna get better this season. When it's the first show, it's always like, you know, figuring it out, like seeing what needs to be done, and then I feel like she's only gonna get better from here. So that's gonna be really cool.

SPEAKER_02 15:37

I think she hits her, she hits her front pose really well for how tall she is because she's obviously broader, taller. She's gotta be what, like five's nine, I think we discussed, um, if not a little bit taller than she's like.

SPEAKER_03 15:47

She's taller. No, she's taller than that.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

I was gonna say she's I told yeah, I said last week she's my height in heels, so yeah. Um yeah, she's definitely on the much taller side, probably the tallest bikini competitor we have. Um in the how she poses works very well for her. Uh, a lot of people can't hit that dead-on straight leg like that and lock it out, but like she knows what she needs to do, so it it works really well for her.

SPEAKER_03 16:09

Yeah, and that makes more sense. So, and I don't think there was any I think it was a three, six, oh, there was a three, six, nine master and then six, yeah, one point apart, which is good. That's that's interesting because again, like yeah, I always tell them that's like a one point apart, not like in the first, second, or thirds, but like right down below. Because then one again, it says to people like, yeah, the judges are scoring like all the way through. Cause I feel like people honestly think that this judging isn't done all the way through sometimes, even another one pointer here between dark and ten.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

Yeah, oh yeah, Stasi and Hope, yeah. Yeah, oh and 11th. Oh my god, all of them are one point apart. Yeah, nine, ten, eleven, all one point apart.

SPEAKER_03 16:51

Um, so yeah. So I feel like that that's really cool to kind of see those one-pointers pass because it must have been like tough for the judges in those moments because sometimes it's obvious who'll be in the first call outs, or it's oh yeah, we can predict that these people are gonna be there, but then kind of going below that, I like seeing that like that move around happen and that kind of like more work happening in those moments, you know, because it's when people are coming up, which is fun.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

I almost and this goes to show you too the the difference in not even just I don't want to say it's judging panels, um, it's more so just the show by show what can happen with physiques. Jessica Gonzalez here has been pushing the best Olympians at every show that she's done and just dropped below all the way down to 11th here, whereas the week prior, Stasi, who beat her here, was almost last place at the previous show, and now she's up in the mix again. So it's one of those things where I I think Jessica posted a story where she like she's been going all season, literally all season. She's probably tired. Um, like the body gets tired, um, but uh just goes to show week by week by week. You never know what is going to happen.

SPEAKER_03 17:58

So yeah, exactly. So, right, and then we had France, which was Eevee with the EV club, yeah, which is again crazy because we had Maya, Mia Maya, win either the week before or two weeks before. So again, it goes to show like things do change and ultimately opinions are opinions. So, like whoever was judging whatever show it was, what was the show before this that they did? Poland, Poland, whoever's judging Poland thought Mia had the dub, and whoever was judging France thought Evie had the dub. That doesn't mean e either of them came in looking off or either, because yeah, maybe that you know Mia might have been a little off, or Evie might have been a little off in Poland or whatever, but they both also both can exist where they both came in at their best at both of these shows, but the panel was different. The lineup was also different as well, but like both of them obviously were still top two, but they still brought both of them, still brought their best, and but what changed was the judges. That doesn't mean the the judging or the criteria changes, but that judge thinks Evie beats Mia, and that judge thinks Mia beats Evie, because I think that's the really big misconception because I think people think, oh, okay, yeah, Mia's gonna be beating Evie at this one because you know she just beat her before, so it's obvious. It's not obvious though, it really isn't. Um so but yeah, that's what I just wanted to say because it's it's it's just interesting to me because I like seeing this battle, I like seeing when battles happen. Do you know what I mean? Um 100%. So it's cool. Um, but yeah, we got Evie in first, and then Mia in second, Rainer in third, which is cool. She's just come back and she's straight in that top three immediately, which is cool.

SPEAKER_02 19:55

Um I mean, and here in fourth and fifth, you have another where what was it, Miami, just two weeks ago. Allison was top six and Carrie wasn't in the first call-out, and then she beat her here. So another one.

SPEAKER_03 20:08

Exactly. Another one. It's it flip-flops around. That doesn't mean that things change in terms of the athletes. It is honestly what comes down to the judges' opinions, and that doesn't mean that the judges are changing the criteria, but it means that that judge has their own opinion of what they feel bikini or what they feel like suits that lineup the best. And that I I like that there is different judges' opinions, and I think that's what needs to be explained and gone through more because I think people think, oh yeah, it's just gonna be the same. If it was the same, it'd be so bloody boring. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 20:43

Like if all remind me of that, of this topic when we are close to the end, because I got a question from somebody asking what we think about Dynamite D's post the other day about judging.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

So we'll come to that. Okay, we'll come to that.

SPEAKER_02 20:57

He made a post judging he made a post about judging. So um I I read it briefly, but I do want to like we can look at it and really talk about it.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

Yeah, send it to me because I want to go through it. Yeah, well, do you know what I find also quick side that what I find so funny? Now that I'm not in the US, I have no clue what goes on in the like world of things, which is so stupid. But like, I'm like, what's happening here? What's happening there? People are like, did you not hear? And I'm like, no, I'm the other side of the fucking world. Like, I don't hear anything anymore. Like, it's just funny. Um, but yeah, so we can definitely go through that. But I do think that it's it's just it's just something that needs to be discussed and gone through more because I do think people get pissed off with it. Like, why are things changing? Because judges have their own thoughts and opinions and feelings on like bikini, but that doesn't mean the criteria changes, you know? It means that their opinions change or what they prefer as bikini as a whole is different to one another, which I don't think is a bad thing, you know?

SPEAKER_02 21:56

Not at all. No, you need you need human nature in it, like when People talk about a people. There's a couple uh pages out there that have talked about oh, yeah, Chat GPT can just judge for us. Like, we have the criteria on paper, we can just input their front and back post to this and tell us who wins. That's not how it fucking works. Because also, with that being said, the human nature makes it more fun. But two, that's how you have judges that overturn each other. That's why you have an odd amount of judges on the panel. And then three, pictures don't tell the whole story. Like when we're looking at Evie and um Maya here, um, the main thing that we like needs to be said is maybe they brought the exact same package as the week before, and maybe it was even the same head judge. But what happened in transition? How is their breathing control? How is their walk to the back? So many different things can change, even aside from who the judging panel is. So there's so many things that we don't even just know through a picture that needs to be taken into consideration that we simply won't know. I can look at this and I can go, yeah, I could probably give it to either one of them in the front pose, I can give it to either one of them in the back pose. But what happened when they were walking to the back? What happened when they walked to the front? Maybe she maybe Maya was slightly more strided in the quads than she should have been. Or like maybe there's just something off that we didn't see in their core control and their breathing. That's not going to show through a picture.

SPEAKER_03 23:18

So exactly. And also it comes down to performance, you know? That's one thing that a lot of people say like performance, like it Evie is a very, very good performer when it comes to stage. Obviously, Myra is as well, but Evie has had that experience, and this is also her 50th pro show, which is crazy. Like, that's like Ashley K level, where it's like 50 pro shows pro shows, not even like amateur, because I'm pretty sure she's like competed as an amateur a lot as well, because she's over from Europe, so like they would have we would have competed like consecutively loads and loads of times. So like she's got her experience behind her. So, like, sometimes it pure experience, your body could be the exact same. You could both look honestly the best you ever have. But when it comes down to experience and when it comes down to performance, sometimes it's just eye-catching, more eye-catching more than someone else, and that's also fine, you know. Um, but yeah, I think Evie definitely did look her best. Like she started now like to look her best. Obviously, I know Pittsburgh and New York, Pittsburgh and New York, yeah. Pittsburgh and New York were her first shows of the season, but I think she's only just gotten better.

SPEAKER_02 24:27

Yeah, agreed. So 100%. I actually just messaged her um 30 minutes ago, and I had to always put my messages in chat GPT and say translate to Spanish for me and then copy and paste it to her. I'm gonna have to do the same when she responds to me. Yeah, I want to know if I need I wouldn't know if we're shutting it down right now or um and then cut like I mean, she's on the points list so high up that she's going to be in the Olympia regardless. She's at like 28, like number three on the board. Um, yeah. So I don't think she's not not going to make it, even if she shut it down right now. Um, I think she might be done right now, and if she needs to come back in August and knock out some more points, but yeah, regardless, like she's way up there.

SPEAKER_03 25:08

So yeah, that's that's this is the hardest thing, which we even said to before, we will struggle with or athletes will kind of struggle at this point right now, knowing what to do, because you're like, is it enough? And like you've still got a whole what two and a half months until the points list is like obviously like done. So it's like okay, cool. There I I you most likely, yes, you'll be fine, but you don't want to then also risk it either. So it's kind of like that really hard in between where you're like, uh, what do I do? But I do agree.

SPEAKER_02 25:42

I think she's you know what's gonna be really funny? There's so kind of like in um like I don't know if you've ever seen like the the movie Friday Night Lights, um, or even just in general in college sports, you're sitting there, or in the NFL even, you're sitting there on like that that like bubble spot where if this team loses, you make it. If they win, they're in and you're out. Yeah, that's gonna happen. Come the the cutoff date. August 29th has four bikini pro shows on that one day. So everyone that's on that cusp right there, like is hoping they make it. They're gonna be sitting there waiting for results to post and be like, oh my god, I hope that Massa wins this because then they knock this person out and then I'm in. Like, that's what's gonna be going on when four shows on that weekend. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 26:30

Is it is it across the boards?

SPEAKER_02 26:32

There's an overseas show, there's Oklahoma Pro, Houston Pro, and the Gold's Gym Pro in uh Carolina.

SPEAKER_03 26:40

Is there any none of that?

SPEAKER_02 26:42

I'm not sure if it is on that day, but um but it's a huge show weekend, so it's gonna be all over the place that weekend. I'm excited for it.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

That's gonna be really cool. That's gonna be really, really cool. And then yeah, we have to be fun to watch Raina come back. She's already on the if no one knew Raina was already on the points list because she did about a billion shows last year. Like she did almost all of the European shows, I want to say, in the second half, like the the last half of the year uh last year, and she racked up those points. Like, I do think that it was very clever for a lot of girls. Like Carrie did the same, where she did a lot of shows, not a lot, but she did a decent amount of shows because she did Romania as well, where she got a lot of points. So they racked up points already, so then now they're already at the top of the points list. Like Raina's at the top of the points list, Carrie's at the top of the points list. Um, and they're already like, okay, cool. If I if I need to rest, I can, but they probably won't and they'll keep going. But it's they they were smart in that sense where they were like, Okay, yeah, let's just hit it, hit it whilst I can now. Because I think Kerry was post-Olympia, Raina was obviously getting ready for her season second half anyway. So it's like it's clever, it's strategy, it's very, very good strategics.

SPEAKER_02 27:55

Yeah, I think um Rainia's on the Toronto list this weekend, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_03 27:59

I think is she? I think so. Traveling overseas, we love to see it. Okay, cool. That's cool. Yeah, I mean, Raina looks incredible. She always brings a really, really good complete package. I feel same with Carrie. I think I I mean, in terms of moving forwards of what they need to work on, I think it's just again refinement of their physique. I don't think it's anything specific, it's just a case of what they need to work on overall as like for like little things for themselves, you know?

SPEAKER_02 28:27

Yeah, so 100%. These are great backposes all throughout.

SPEAKER_03 28:32

Yeah, I was gonna say, and then even Victoria, I think Victoria is a new pro. This is maybe her second pro show, and this is the second time I think she's gotten in Poland, she got sixth place, and then even here she's gotten sixth place as well. So, like, this is really cool to see kind of like new pros coming up and like getting into that top six almost immediately, you know?

SPEAKER_01 28:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:55

So and then I don't think 10-11. Yeah, even even um six and um fifth and sixth. Yeah, fifth and sixth, yeah. That's the one in fifth and six. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 29:15

Yeah, yeah, Reina and Carrie one point apart.

SPEAKER_03 29:20

Oh yeah, damn. That is close. Yeah, there's a lot of one-pointers this weekend, which is cool. It's always really, really cool. And then thank you, John, for adding in the extras. You said it to me and you're like, he changed it. I was like, what do you mean? And I was like, that's so fucking cool. So, like, we were talking about this last week where it's the arrows. Like, can you put on like arrows who's moved up, all that type of thing, so we can see so we don't have to like guess. This is perfect. I also love this, like, yeah, like the same here, and even you could do more if you wanted to do do like top 10 or top eight or something like that. Because I feel like there's even people that will be coming in. Because I know Lily, this girl from New Zealand, she's gonna be competing soon, I'm pretty sure. Um, yeah, look, someone here, watch out for Lily because she's coming, like, she's gonna be competing. So I feel like even do like ones below because I feel like there's people that are also competing still, like more people are competing still as well, you know. Um, yeah, I'm excited. But no, I don't think anyone was out. I don't think anyone dropped out. Marsa came up one point, but that didn't change, I don't think, anyone up here.

SPEAKER_02 30:29

So if there is, are there I haven't looked to see the official rules. What if it ended just like this? Is Eureka in because she has a show win and Alessia doesn't, and they're tied at 10?

SPEAKER_03 30:42

I think yes, but I also think it depends on who was there first. I think that's what it was like last time when I was in the point system in 20 whenever. But like I think so, for example, obviously, yeah, Yurika's got a show win, but she got 10 points first. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 31:07

And then less you're gonna be like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, kinda though, because I maybe it's just different how John has it written then, because Jessica Gonzalez is up there above all the 10-point show winners. She hasn't won a show and she has recently gotten to 10 points. She just got her 10 points. I thought you meant who got it first.

SPEAKER_03 31:27

Oh, no, is it like Alessia got it first.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

Alessia got this back in Hawaii last year.

SPEAKER_03 31:32

I think it was the most sorry, I meant not first, I meant who's most recent.

SPEAKER_02 31:37

Gotcha, gotcha. That's what I meant. That's what I meant.

SPEAKER_03 31:39

That makes sense why Jessica's at the top of the tens, so I think it's the one who's most recently just got those points over. So, like, I I'm pretty sure she won her Hawaii. Yeah, that was it. That was it. She won Hawaii, and then that put her on top of Alessia, and then I don't think Alessia has placed since then. If that makes sense, uh because these were all from last year.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

And then Jessica Gonzalez has the most recent points out of all the tens on there, so she's at the top of them. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 32:09

Yeah, that's what that's what I meant by that. So um, but yeah, there's even like Alice, Alice Rocha, she's gonna be coming up soon, and then Rain is obviously competing this weekend as well, so she'll be taken off. So LSC might come in. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 32:24

Like so many of these names are gonna jump up. Alice is gonna win a show, Rain is gonna win a show, um, Alice Marquisio is gonna win a show. There's a lot of these girls are going to win another show, in my opinion, I'll say, but they're gonna win another show. Um, and they're gonna all jump up to the top there, and we're gonna see these top five in points move right up.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

Yeah. Imagine if all of them, because there's a lot of people here still competing. Imagine if all of these were just one of them already have a win. That's what I mean. All of so if all of the people that already have a win, they all win a show, and then that that brings up like everyone else, like onto the point system. That'd be fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

I mean when you look at the names of who they are, like just like knowing their history, knowing how consistent they are. Sharon, Alice Rosha, Reyna, like Anna, the Alice Marquisio, Kate, like Evie, they can all go win another show. Like so.

SPEAKER_03 33:20

Yeah, very true. Very, very, very true. Okay. So, and then we've got two cool shows this weekend. We've got Toronto and Marvel. This is a dense show.

SPEAKER_02 33:31

This is a deep lineup.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

Yeah, Toronto is very, very deep. So we've got. I mean, this is yeah, like we've got Marie Eve, we've got, yeah, we have got Rainer, we've got Hope, Alesia, Kerrigan, and then we've got Bella, who's also a new pro. And then who else is there? I'm just doing the ones that are tagged, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 33:59

Yeah, I'm seeing the ones on there that you tagged and that are tagged. Bree we just looked at, so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:06

But yeah, we've got Jess, she isn't competing. When was the last time she competed?

SPEAKER_02 34:10

Olympia. Uh no. Um Florida Pro. She got second to Maria right after Olympia. If you go to the one after this, she posted her check-ins. This was last week.

SPEAKER_03 34:22

Damn, she looks good.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

Yeah. Yeah, she looks really, really good. And I don't know what happened in a matter of seven days. Her conditioning is like in the back. Her conditioning is like double this as of this morning. It's stupid.

SPEAKER_03 34:35

That's crazy. That's crazy. So she's got she's got room to now fill in. She looks really, really good. I that waist as well is so fucking tight. Like, yeah, I know she's had a hard prep as well. Like a fucking tight.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

She didn't she didn't really know when to pull the trigger on prep. Um, and so it kind of kept getting pushed back while she was like kind of in limbo, kept putting getting pushed back. And the initial first two shows she was gonna do didn't do. And then she's like, she tells me in James, she's like, I gotta do Toronto. Like, I won this show last year, I live here, I have to do it. And James is like, We're behind a couple weeks, you're gonna get pushed if you want to do this. And so she made it.

SPEAKER_03 35:15

So, yeah, she did very, very well with like coming into that. So I feel like, and do you know what? Like, sometimes you gotta fucking push. Like, I do think that people forget that, like, yes, it's not always gonna be an easy prep. Like, it's not always like that's not always gonna be the case. And I think sometimes people will run away from that struggle and like hard side of things, but just fucking clearly didn't, and she absolutely killed it. Do you know what I mean? So I do think that sometimes it is worth it to to put that grind time on and just put pedal pedal to the medal and just go for it, you know? So and it's pulled off really, really well. So she's doing a good job. And then we've got Raina, who won.

SPEAKER_02 35:59

What did she just recently win? Legion, yeah. Legion. This is gonna I told Jess, I was like, like, I know John wrote Jess is the front runner here, obviously, just because she won Toronto. Reyna's on 11th place Olympian and just came out of Legion winning. Like, this is top competition right here. And being unbiased, like the back pose is gonna go either way. Jess's front pose is is hard to beat unless you're like top, top, top. But the back pose is gonna be a competition. Like Reina, Raina's density is stupid.

SPEAKER_03 36:29

So honestly, she's honestly what like I think Raina's such a such a good athlete. Oh, I don't know what name that says. Um, but uh yeah, I do think that Jess and her are very, very, very, very comparable as well. So I think that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 36:48

They both have the um they both are dense in the leg and have a very full round glute in their front pose. Um, and I say it every time we see Raina. If Raina fixes her front pose with her arm and how she leans a bit, it would take her a lot further. Um, but Jess has Jess has her posing nailed to a fucking T. They turn to the back. I I'm excited to see it in person because Reina in person is wild from the back. So it's gonna be cool.

SPEAKER_03 37:14

Yeah, no, I think I mean, yeah, this is gonna be really, really interesting. This is gonna be really cool to like see all of it come together for both of them, if I'm honest. And then you've got Marie Eve as well in there, who's just gone second. I I think this is gonna be a throwdown between them three. I think that'd be a really, really cool top three.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

The three of them are definitely the top names going in.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

And I also think they have very different physiques, like they're all very, very, very different. I do think out of these three, Jess is the probably the densest, and she's obviously the shortest as well. But that doesn't take away anything from her overall shape and like balance from top to bottom. So I feel I feel like this is gonna be really cool to see both of them, all of them together, to see what it like looks like together.

SPEAKER_02 37:58

So very, very much so. That's actually a sick hang on, go back. Oh damn it, you left her page.

SPEAKER_03 38:03

No, no, no, you're good.

SPEAKER_02 38:04

I say what a cool photo that was of her and Isa, the on the right there, the far right.

SPEAKER_03 38:10

Oh, yeah, yeah, that's so cool.

SPEAKER_02 38:11

That's sick. I thought that was a graphic for a sec, but that's like a creative photo someone took. That's cool. That's really cool. Some cool shots.

SPEAKER_03 38:20

Yeah, I like it a lot. And then we've got Miss Brie Wilson, who we were speaking about before. This was definitely her best look that she brought previously before at DC. And I told her to go for the red because I absolutely love her in red. Yeah, I think it just br it just ties the the whole like look together a lot more. And sometimes, yeah, like I think she did blue previously before. Yeah, she's done blue, she's done uh a few different colours as well. I just love red. I think red is such a good sometimes, just her colour just stands out on someone. I feel like that was her and red for DC for sure. So I think I'm glad that she did that for sure. Um, but yeah, this is definitely the best. I just think that she's only getting better as the season goes on. And I know it's hard because things are you know different placing wise, but I think this isn't this isn't the time to to give up and stop for sure.

SPEAKER_02 39:16

Yeah, she's just she's just someone that's just gotta keep going. I mean, points add up. Like, don't turn your nose up to getting a fifth place and getting one point if that's what happens. Like no, it's when it comes down to it, if that's what gets you to the Olympia, that's what gets you in.

SPEAKER_03 39:27

So exactly, exactly. Look, this so this is all the shows that Rainer did. 26 Pro shows.

SPEAKER_04 39:36

Holy shit.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

I don't know when since though. Like, I don't know, because that this was posted 29 weeks ago, but also that's only the end of that was in November 2025 that she posted that. So I don't know how many she how many shows this has been from. Do you know what I mean? Like what was the starting point?

SPEAKER_02 39:59

This is this is all um, if I'm not mistaken, this is all this season. Because when you add up the points that she has, when you see that she got a third, a third, a third, a third, a third, a third, and a second, that adds up to her point total right now.

SPEAKER_03 40:15

Fuck, yeah. So that's all from this season. That's fucks. That's crazy. Oh my god. What?

SPEAKER_02 40:25

Is am I reading that right? That that's nuts.

SPEAKER_03 40:29

That's wild. Someone literally commented, you are a Greek warrior. Yeah, you are. Like, quite literally. But this is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 40:38

And that's just another point of look at the gaps in there where she was outside of um of like the top five.

SPEAKER_03 40:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:44

Like that just shows keep showing up.

SPEAKER_03 40:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:46

Like she got a she got a 16th, 779, third third. So it's like just keep showing up.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

Yeah. But that's also really fucking impressive. Like, that's so impressive that that was all last year. That's actually crazy. I didn't know that those. Please, someone correct us if we're wrong, because I feel like I don't want to obviously be saying, like, oh my god, this was all last year because I have no clue, but I feel like this was. Definitely feel like this was. That's crazy. Wow. But yeah, she came back and did France. Her last show was, if I'm not mistaken, when she was with Jazzy. This show where she got top two. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:30

The neutral yummy one, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:32

So I feel like that was her last show. That was back in November, and she's just come back now after having you know a good amount of time off, and she's right back in that top three. So that goes to show. Like you can keep going. So and then we've got hope in Toronto as well. What do you feel like we needed to change for DC? I mean, this is obviously also her first show of is it the first show of the year?

SPEAKER_02 42:03

I think this is her first show. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, I and I I love Hope. Like she's an amazing person, so I'm not saying this in any negative way. I just think she still needs more time. She has grown a lot from last season, put on some density. Um, I just still think she's in a spot. Seeing her in DC, obviously, that top five, top six there was really damn good. Um, but regardless, I still think to stand with that top six um from DC to have gotten in there, she still needs a little bit more. Like I look at this back post here and I see hamstrings. I the glutes don't pop in my face. So it's like I I she just needs a little bit more in those specific areas just to kind of stand out for that, um, for that higher placing. But again, depending on the lineup, she very well could go and get that top five. Yeah. Um, but just in comparison to the DC lineup, I think that's why.

SPEAKER_03 42:53

Yeah, 100%. And I think that's also sometimes just hard, like especially when you're going after an Olympia qualification, like especially in this day and age now where you do have to get two wins, and obviously there are gonna be Olympians competing consecutively, because I think this this season we've seen more Olympians compete than not in terms of like consistent, like more people, like Ashley's still competing, Laura Lee's competing.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

Issa just posted she's still doing another like three shows.

SPEAKER_03 43:24

This is what I mean, and then we've got Jazzy, and I'm Jazzy's gonna do a show because I'm pretty sure Jazzy said she was like 13 or 14 weeks out, which isn't Olympia as the first one, so that means she's doing a show before the Olympia. So, like, people are still competing before, and like this is that's great. I love that, and I think that's what needs to happen, but I think it is hard because then people coming up like hope do get put in lineups like this. But again, when you look at it like this, like, do you want to go to the Olympia by kind of getting there because no one was in it, or like getting getting A getting your qualification because there was no one in the shows, or whatever, or do you want to get to the Olympia fighting and being like, yeah, that was fucking worth it? And like I, you know, worked my absolute hardest and I beat the best of the best, or like I was in a lineup with this lineup, and that's that's I feel like sometimes the competitiveness in us that comes out that needs to be shown as well, you know.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

So um, yeah, I actually told Kerrigan specifically, I was like, hey, you know, I I know that we got to strategize to get points, and we'll do that with a couple shows, but regardless, I was like, you know that what shows Ashley typically comes out and runs. Um, and I was like, there, I was like, um, in the middle of July, you have Patriots, the muscle contest show in Las Vegas that um Ashley always does. And I was like, we're not not doing it to avoid her. And she goes, No, let's do it. Let's go stand next to her. Whoever the head judges, let's get feedback standing right next to her. I was like, fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

So exactly, exactly. And I think that's that's what we want to try and make sure that we're like putting across as well, is like, don't be afraid, don't be afraid to stand up against the big dog, don't be afraid to like show up and show out, even even at like your amateur. If if you're an amateur as well, like show up and show out at pro-qualifiers, because I I won't tell you how many people actually say to me, like my pose and guides and stuff, say, Oh, I'm not doing a pro-qualifier. And I'm like, girl, why? Like, why not? And they they're like, I'm afraid to stand up against like XYZ or like not people in general, but go up against people that are going for their pro call that have been working for it for years, and I'm like, go up and stand against them, like you never know what's gonna happen. So yeah, and then we've got Alessia, she's been competing a long time, like already.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

Um, yeah, this was an improved back post from her first couple shows of the season. Yeah, she's in a much better spot.

SPEAKER_03 45:48

I agree, she definitely has improved a lot the last kind of couple of seasons. I love these like outfits, like these types of like outfits, they're always cool little outfits, but um, yeah, she's improved a lot, she's really improved a lot. So I do think that it's it's just gonna be just time getting in front of the right judges a little bit more so um and stuff like that, you know. So and then we've got this this little pocket rocket.

SPEAKER_02 46:14

This one, this one she posted her check-ins down below a little bit. Where is she?

SPEAKER_03 46:20

Is it this these ones?

SPEAKER_02 46:22

No, those aren't really check-ins. She has a back post that I told her she needs to post today. It's actually insane.

SPEAKER_03 46:30

Did she do any of that in there? I see I've seen what she looked like recently because I had a posing session with her, and I was like, she looks wild.

SPEAKER_02 46:39

So I just told her to go post her back pose immediately so we can go look at it.

SPEAKER_03 46:42

So we can have a look at it on the live.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

So she has it like in her draft. She did like a birthday post, and she's like, I don't want to like double post. I'm like, just do it this evening. So go post it.

SPEAKER_03 46:50

Do it now, do it now, do it now.

SPEAKER_02 46:52

Um, also she had the front pose up that it was hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 46:57

Because I didn't really so I actually made Max do this as well, and he does the exact same, and I'm like, that's actually hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 47:02

Oh funny.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

That's so funny. I don't know if it's just like a guy's like like shoulder width or what is it, but no, it's because you guys are fucking huge, like you have wide, wide ass shoulders, but like I do feel like bodybuilders forget that they can't do like little like little things. Do you know what I mean? Like, and it's she just doesn't, yeah. I'm like, it's easy.

SPEAKER_00 47:23

Just I just cramped my chest right into that. I just got out of the gym right before this.

SPEAKER_03 47:28

Yeah, that's absolutely fine. I can do whatever, and you're like, no, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's jokes, but yeah, anyway.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

Um, yeah, I feel like she she has reached like a new level of conditioning I don't think I've ever seen on her before, which is mixed with the the fact that her glutes have like damn near doubled in size. Yeah, like it's insane, and it quite and it translates a lot to her um to her front pose because she used to be such like pretty leg dominant. And the quads have come down a little bit, and the glutes have come up a lot, and it makes her look crazy more balanced.

SPEAKER_03 48:08

So and that's also I think something that will only uh that can only ever happen with like a little bit of time, you know, like time with her actually. This was a day ago. So damn, yeah, she's improved a lot. I really want her to wear a black suit on stage one day. That would look so good.

SPEAKER_02 48:33

It won't be Toronto, hang on. Hello. Um, can you go post your backpost photo? We're on the podcast right now. Okay, perfect. We'll come back to it on the podcast. We've still got like 30 minutes left. Okay, bye. I love you. Oh, hi. Okay. Oh, perfect. She's posting it right now. She's literally putting the song on it.

SPEAKER_03 48:57

We will come back to her right now. We'll come back to it. So, okay, and then we've got Bella, who is a new pro.

SPEAKER_02 49:04

Um, yeah, she's natural pro, right? She won a natural pro card at one of the shows, I believe.

SPEAKER_03 49:08

I think she won. She did Toronto Pro last year. Um not pro, uh, but Toronto show, I think, in general last year as well. But then I think she also did more shows in Canada and stuff, and then she got her pro card back in October. I don't know what show that is.

SPEAKER_02 49:27

Yeah, here it is. This is the natural Vancouver, I think, natural Canada qualifier. I think they call it something like that. But yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:35

That's so cool. Yeah, I feel like this is gonna be this is gonna be really cool to kind of see her next to again, this type of lineup as well. Like, especially being a natural athlete, it'd be cool to kind of see what she looks like next to everyone else and stuff, like a seat season.

SPEAKER_02 49:50

You have such a wide range of physiques in this lineup, too.

SPEAKER_03 49:52

Yeah, massively wide wide.

SPEAKER_02 49:55

So Jess and uh Jess and Kerrigan call themselves the muscle munchkins.

SPEAKER_03 49:58

So muscle munchkins. They are both tiny and they are both.

SPEAKER_02 50:02

Jess is barely five feet tall, though.

SPEAKER_03 50:05

That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 50:06

Yeah, I think Jess and Ashlyn gotta be the two shortest competitors in the pro league, I think.

SPEAKER_03 50:10

Ashlyn's not even that short. Like, I I honestly five foot and a half, or Maria's really short. She's like five, she's like five'1. Like Marie, Marie is shorter than she is. I think Marie is like five foot. That's it. Yeah, Marie's tight, too. Kerrigan's five. That's crazy. That's actually crazy. Right, let's move on to mile high. Well, this is the fit model. Oh yeah, fit model. Fit model for Toronto. I think this is probably maybe the if I'm not mistaken, maybe the smallest list I've seen out of fit model in the whole, in the whole thing. Finally, they've kind of come down and it's like less than fucking 30, you know? So yeah, right. So I'm a small chauffeur fit model, it was 20. Yeah, is 20, you know? So I do think that this is gonna be really cool. And again, we've got Liz, we've got um Victoria, we've got Tara, we've got multiple people. This girl here, I'm pretty sure she did Aisha.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

Pittsburgh. She's gotten third a couple times.

SPEAKER_03 51:11

Yeah, she did Pittsburgh as well. She I really like her physique a lot.

SPEAKER_02 51:15

Yeah, I'm starting working with her in in person.

SPEAKER_03 51:18

Oh, I like I can't remember when she got it at Pittsburgh. She got fit. Uh fourth or fifth, I think. Okay. So yeah, she looks really, really good. And then who else have we got? We've got Liz.

SPEAKER_02 51:35

Yeah, Liz's been killing it a couple seconds.

SPEAKER_03 51:39

Yeah, she got two seconds now. And I feel like honestly, most of the FitModel pros, and or not most of them, a lot of the Fit Model Pros have kind of gotten their thing on their third try. So we got we had Jane who did that. I'm pretty sure who was the girl that won Carla. Third time's the charm. I feel like it's always been like the third time when people have gotten like top three or something like that, or top two. It's been like top two, top two, or like shows that they've done, it's been like the third show, you know? Yeah. So I feel like this is Liz the, even though it's she's done more than three shows, she's got second, second, and now this is her third time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:15

I'm like she got second at Pittsburgh, where Tyler was head judging. Tyler's head judging Toronto this weekend, and so it's it's a it can be a pro and a con, right? He wants to see you show up just as good, if not better, and you'll likely be rewarded for it because he gave you second the last time I saw he saw you. But the con to that is if you don't show up as good as he last saw you, he's gonna notice that.

SPEAKER_03 52:36

Yeah, I think she posted if it's still up, damn it, it's not still up. She posted a check-in, and I was literally like, she looks absolutely crazy. Um, but I didn't I couldn't see it, it's not on it anymore. But she she looks really, really good. She looks very, very good. So I'm excited to kind of see how this looks overall. And then we have this girl. I did um a posing session with her, Misty. Um she's been climbing the ranks a little bit as well, which has been cool to see. I think in I think she did New York, she was outside top ten, and then she got into she did Pittsburgh, she got into top ten, and then I think she's only just been getting better since then. I don't know where she placed I don't know where she placed it. Oh, she got eighth place here. So I think she kind of was like up and down a little bit, but she's around there. Yeah, she's been getting better, and I think that's always the thing that happens with all shows. Like like we literally just been speaking about a bikini. Sometimes it's your sometimes it's your weekend, sometimes it's not. That's okay. We keep going regardless, and I love that we're seeing more and more of that in multiple categories, not just bikini, you know? So ah wait Victoria Wait, yeah, wait, let me let me let me we've got a bikini pro.

SPEAKER_02 53:58

Oh, we do? Um I mean Victoria's technically a bikini pro too, she just never did a show.

SPEAKER_03 54:04

Yeah, that's what I was talking about, but I'm in um Laura.

SPEAKER_02 54:08

Yeah, yeah, bikini Olympian too.

SPEAKER_03 54:12

Bikini Olympian, and she's coming back as she's doing foot model. Sorry, I got so sidetracked, I was like, wait, this is I know this name. Laura, we used to compete. I think her last show was the Olympia. A while back, right?

SPEAKER_01 54:25

Wasn't it three years ago?

SPEAKER_03 54:27

I want to say 2024.

SPEAKER_01 54:30

Two years ago? Okay.

SPEAKER_03 54:34

I'm getting confused because I think that's a photo, but it's not. I think that was I think her, I want to say she the last show she did was 2024 Olympia.

SPEAKER_02 54:42

I want to say why do you have no fit model updates for us?

SPEAKER_03 54:45

Yeah, and this is what I mean. You didn't even know. I didn't even know that she was coming back. That's why I was like, oh my god, wait. So I think the last time does she have her own show?

SPEAKER_02 54:57

She has her own show.

SPEAKER_03 54:58

Yeah, she does. She has her own show in France. So again, this was in January. She was posting about bikini. So she was in bikini poses in I could see this going to Fit Model for sure. Yeah, I want to see what this looks like in Fit Model. Because she could she could very well like again. This is a long time ago, about six months ago now. So it was a while before.

SPEAKER_02 55:20

Does she have any further stories? Let's go creep.

SPEAKER_03 55:22

Let's have a look. Let's be weirdos. Oh, she does.

SPEAKER_02 55:25

There we go. Yes, there we go.

SPEAKER_03 55:28

Oh, yeah, this looks good.

SPEAKER_02 55:30

I like it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:31

Very this looks really good. And she's got such, she's always had such a petite frame anyway.

SPEAKER_02 55:38

See if the glutes have come down a bit.

SPEAKER_03 55:40

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:41

Oh, this is very good, very good. She's always a good level all around of everything.

SPEAKER_03 55:48

Yeah, she's always been a little bit of a petite kind of frame as well in bikini. And I think it's crazy how many uh girls were actually seeing make the switch now. And I also think I commend a lot of bikini pros that have gone that are kind of showing the reins to other pros that they can switch if they want to. Because I think I feel like Tara did that really, really well, and same with like Janet and like other girls, like they've switched, made the switch, stand like stood strong in it, and it's allowed other bikini pros to kind of be like, Okay, yeah, I can do that as well, you know.

SPEAKER_02 56:20

Yeah, you know what's crazy with Tara's physique? You know, she has points on the board for bikini.

SPEAKER_03 56:25

Um, I know, I know that would be fucking wild. Like, if she just like all of us, because how many points has she got on on the system?

SPEAKER_02 56:33

She's not on the I think she's got like three or four, yeah. But she but she has some, so I think it'd be crazy if she's like, you know what? After Toronto, let me just take a few months off. We'll come back right before the cutoff and go kill in bikini. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 56:46

Imagine any Fit10 pros to do that would be absolutely because can you change you can change like halfway, can't you?

SPEAKER_02 56:54

I think you yeah, I think you just can't cross over if you were to make the Olympia. You can't choose to then do bikini or do Fit Model.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

That's fair enough. That would be fucking crazy. That would be absolutely wild. But yeah, welcome back, Laura, to stage. That's gonna be really fun to see you in foot model.

SPEAKER_02 57:08

And then Victoria's another one here is looking amazing.

SPEAKER_03 57:11

Yeah, that's gonna be really I'm how many people has James gotten on for Toronto?

SPEAKER_02 57:17

It's an insane amount. Yeah, I can imagine this weekend.

SPEAKER_03 57:21

Yeah, I can imagine.

SPEAKER_02 57:22

So I mean it's his side of Canada, like a lot of his clientele just in general lives there. Yeah, this is a really 17 people, 11 pros and six amateurs.

SPEAKER_03 57:34

What 11 pros?

SPEAKER_02 57:36

Across fit model and bikini.

SPEAKER_03 57:38

Oh, okay. I was like, that's like the whole of the bikini lineup. I was like, wait, if you got like every single bikini girl, um, but yeah, I was that fit model as well. That makes sense. But yeah, I mean, this I love this, I love this look a lot. I think this is a really, really good look.

SPEAKER_02 57:54

Yeah, I think conditioning's spot on. I don't think there's too much hardness through her legs or anything, shoulders are down. She looks good. I mean, she's a very petite girl, so it fits her very well.

SPEAKER_03 58:04

She's a lot more twisted or like sat into that hip than a lot of other girls. Yeah. And I think the only two people that have really pulled that off is her and Gabby. I don't know if she poses Gabby as well, because obviously I know she's part of um, she obviously does the posing coaching for Team Elite, uh Team Atlas. So I feel like she she not everyone can because I pose girls like this before and it doesn't suit them very well. Whereas she's been able to pose like this and it works, it works very well. And even though she's quite is she tall? She's not tall, no, she's shorter, isn't she? So it looks well on her. It looks well on her. So okay. Right, let's Miss Kerrigan. Has she posted yet?

SPEAKER_01 58:52

Not yet. Oh wait, yeah, she did. She just posted this.

SPEAKER_03 59:00

I love how she literally just posted the back pose. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 59:04

Right?

SPEAKER_03 59:05

Wow, wow, wow. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 59:09

Yeah, she's coming very, very ready. Like the I should have told her, should have had her fix her suit there. It's off a little bit, but oh well. Um, this is crazy. This is like the the improvements from last year are wild. And it used to be she used to have a little bit too much of that quad sweep in the back, a little bit too dug out. Like in order to get her glutes dug out enough, like conditioned enough, the hamstrings and quads would go overboard. Now it's almost the opposite in a good way. Now it's like the hamstrings are not too hard here. Like she's gonna fill out a little bit more into the show, of course. Um, but like the she's ready. Like the glutes are blasting here, and nothing is overly conditioned.

SPEAKER_03 59:52

Yeah, and I think as well, like this comes down to one. Obviously, yes.

SPEAKER_02 59:56

Caption, Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 59:57

Yeah. Obviously, it comes to like the how she's progressed in terms of her physique and stuff like that. But I think that she's now got the confidence where she can, which I think with a back pose, I think everyone is always worried about I need glute ham tie-ins, I need them to be showing. So it's really easy to just sit into the hips or want to try and push into the hips more so than anything. And I think I love this here because it's just she's stood up, she's literally, it looks like she's not doing anything, and as that should be in a back pose, it doesn't need to look like you're doing anything. It feels fucking weird as shit, but that's what you want. The whole, even posing in general, like front pose as well, you want it to look like you're not pushing or doing anything, and that comes down to a lot of the development in the physique. So that's really, really cool that she's like just standing here and just like you know, just hinging a little bit, and she's just she's just there, you know, and everything.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:53

And she works with a posing portal with Phoebe Hagan.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:55

For anyone that didn't know, yeah, I don't know who I don't know who that is, you know. So but she looks really, really good. Commend it. I'm I'm really really excited to see her on stage. It's gonna be really sick, really, really cool. And then last but not least, we have Mile High.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:10

Yeah, Mile High.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:11

Ashley's back to the season. We've got Ashley, we've got Maya, we've got Britney Hamilton, we've got I know she said it before, but um, and she does like a million shows regardless.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:23

But she did make uh did have an interview the other day where she said she only has like two or three shows planned in her head. I think ending at um, I think it was World Classic, I think. Um I think that's what it was. And she's like, after that, we'll see how we're doing, and maybe shut it down, maybe keep going. So it's not like she has like 10 shows planned right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:41

No, also I've just realized one, two, three, uh no, wait, one, two, three, four, five. It's five of these girls are fit one infusion.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:49

Yeah, five of these girls are Daria making her debut after just winning two essays, which is cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:54

So that's gonna be really, really cool to see. So, and then so yeah, we've got Ashley, and I think what was it that you we we kind of mentioned that Ashley needed to improve on for from the Arnolds US because we haven't seen her in a minute, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:08

She came in just I I think overly small in condition from Olympia because she was like blasting full at Olympia, I don't think it was fully on point in like conditioning wise. Um, and then we saw her in the show after. I think she did like Japan, I think it was or something, and I was like, Ashley, yeah, bring this to every show you do, you might get your fucking Olympia title back. Yeah, like it was insane. And then she came into Arnold, even more downsized and tighter, and it just did not work for her.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:38

So yeah. So this was Argentina.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:41

This was one that was good. This was December. This one was really, really good.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:45

That was a good look. I think okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:57

Yeah, there's the video.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:58

Yeah, it's very, very lean. This is Arnold, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:01

Yeah, very lean. And it was final at the final stage, it looked even more so.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:06

Yeah. I I really liked how Argentina looked. I agree.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:11

Yeah, she looked really good in Argentina because it was like, like right there, there's no depth to anything. Like the like it's still Ashley, like she still plays 12, she still looks amazing, but like the front pose just didn't have that pop and depth that she has. The back pose, there's no pop to there's no fullness. Like she has crazy dense glutes, so they're not going anywhere, but it's just lacking like what she has brought before.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:33

Yeah, 100% agree. So, well, it'll be cool to see kind of what that's a cool shot. She always does really cool photos like that as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:43

Um, yeah, I mean, obviously, she's not really posted she's posted like training stuff, but she's not posted any check-ins, I don't think, or anything like that. And again, I think people assumed, like you said, assumed that she was gonna come in for this show. You just didn't know when she'd be coming in or what she'd be doing and stuff like that. So I do think that it would be cool to see what she looks like now.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:09

Love that machine.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:10

That's a very good machine. Yeah, so yeah, we'll see. We'll see. But we she always comes in great, you know, regardless. Like Ashley always is coming in looking great, whether that's conditioning or fullness or whatever. She always comes in looking great.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:25

So we're gonna be able to do that's a reason that she places where she does regardless, right? I mean, she's one as many shows she does for a reason, so she's always gonna be the front runner when she's going in.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:34

Yeah, and then we've got Maya. Which is really, really cool. I mean, she could be uh she I not could be, I think she definitely could be up there with Ashley for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:45

I think so too.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:47

Because this was I think if she was to bring what she brought to Legions, which is a really, really good look. Definitely, I think it would be really, really cool to see. Yeah, she's got a good look. And then we've got Brittany. So she came up with a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:04

Brittany's really good.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:05

Yeah, where did she get?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:06

She did got six at DC, and then prior to that, I think her and Drew had said they came in like two full to Miami, and so they tried to dial it in better for DC. She looked really good at DC. I agree. Miami was like a full look.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:21

I also think she looks better, a little bit more conditioned anyway. Like, I feel like that's just sometimes certain looks look good on certain people. Like Evie, for example, randomly, she's one that comes to mind. She can get away with looking a little bit leaner because I feel like that suits her physique, you know, and that's not outside of the criteria still. She's still hitting all the boxes and stuff like that. But I just feel like she looks better more conditioning. And I agree here with Brittany. She looks like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:46

Britney has such she has such dense glutes that she gets she can get away with the slightly more leaner conditioned side because those glutes aren't going anywhere. And she has really good tie in. like just really good everything especially in her back pose to where she needs that little bit more conditioning to really bring in the front pose because her back pose ain't going anywhere like the glutes are there to stay so yeah that's very very true and then we've got Jody she where did she compete she competed she just did last week uh she got fifth right not did she do two weeks ago optimum two weeks yeah yeah I was thinking I was like did she do last week yeah she did optimum she got fifth yeah I liked this look a lot more than I think her previous looks were a little too lean in my opinion I think now she's finding that nice in between I still think she needs it maybe a little bit more a little bit leaner now but I like this look a lot more than what she's previously done if that makes sense 100% for sure um so yeah and then we've got Miss Hannah DeVore Hannah got third at Legions and this was definitely my favourite look from Hannah as well like she 100% this is like such great like I think she just looks really nice really nice in every area like and for me it was her like S-curve shape like her density in her glutes the tightness of her waist like her waist was so tight I love seeing like when girls are like super super tight and then have just really really nice roundness in the glutes that's like that just does it for me and she just really nailed she really nailed this look and then it's her birthday too her and Karen have the same birthday.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:38

Do they that's cool I knew they I knew they had the same uh they were both had their birthday I didn't know it was on the same time though. She looks really good.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:48

She's also what someone that can literally is one of the only people that can pull off wearing a black suit I have um I I don't ever do predictions on our show here but I have Liana pushing Ashley I have Liana taking second this weekend. If I'm automatically giving Ashley first quote unquote I have Liana taking second I think she's been getting better and better um and I think that she is going to push it this weekend I think she's getting second yeah I think she'll she's got I think even um beyond the stage kind of put this these oh they did I didn't see that that's hilarious they put these two and two together regardless because I think that they would be very comparable next to each other I think for sure so yeah oh I know when uh your black your black suit comment when Kerrigan did her guest posing Liana commented uh like a black suit queen in there and Kerrigan was like the black suit queen approves yeah I but everyone knows that she pulls it off everyone knows that she's the OG of that because it's her it's just her energy like her energy it is such her energy or uh she just she just works the black suit it just like it just she just has the features for it just everything it just flows on her so well I love it. Yeah 100% um and then Daria Pro debut absolutely killed it at the is it junior USA's yeah junior USA's funny story with Daria so I I was at her true novice first ever show um about 14 months ago me and Drew were there we're watching the show together and his girl came out daria true novice she won the open overall that day as well and I was like dude she's got a future and then she went and got third or fourth at USA's and then came back out of junior USA's right here and gets her pro card and she's like from the start you could tell this girl had it so she's got such a and she's also got a very very good mindset for it as well because she's always been like a go-getter like I again as a bodybuilder is like she's just to the T like specific with so many things because I used to pose her as well and like it's so cool to see someone so detailed and so switched on without being a pro yet as well and I love when I get amateurs like that when they know exactly what they need to work on and they're willing to work on that it's really really cool to see and not being pro yet like and that doesn't like having a pro status doesn't mean that you're automatically going to be a great listener or great at taking in information and I I love when amateurs are like this because they're hungry for it.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:24

And I think it's the same when it comes to pros when they reach a le a certain level as well. So it's it was it's really really cool to be part of her her journey and to see it like her finally get her flowers you know so yeah so Virginia USA has had a really good bikini lineup across the board it was a good show.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:42

Yeah and then what was the thing that you wanted to look over what was that thing that you what was the question oh Dynamite D's page David's page what was it called just go on his page and let me see where it is on there it is it's like one of the black screens with the white writing that he put it on it says judging. It's like six from the top oh yeah okay and they wanted to know what we thought of this I'll read it so for everyone on Spotify it says oh well who said that who who wanted to think that people someone sent this to me and said what do we think of this do we agree I had like three people send it two specifically said can you guys talk about this on stage talk because you talk about judging a lot okay and it says not all judges are equal just like level of athletes there's levels to this game most regional judges are not great or else they would be working their way up into national judging spots as they get better. Olympia judges are the gold standard I've seen many athletes um put down their season due to judges that didn't have better eyes for the sport than their own coach did.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:54

If you want real feedback and your coach is coaching pros or Olympians listen to them or compete in front of pro judges what are your thoughts on that I mean I don't agree that's I'm gonna say it out loud I don't agree I don't I don't I agree with the part of like yes Olympian judges are gold standard like they are great at what they do like they're great at they're great they're at the top of the top level and they've been picked as Olympian judges for a reason so yes get in front of them if you want to but I don't think that's the only case like only go in front of them like only be in front of those judges because also other judges have other opinions and I will say I've had this before where I don't even know what show it was at there was a show that I did way back when and I remember it was a random show that I did and it was the head judge I can't again I can't even remember who the head judge was they gave me specific feedback I took into a show that I did and it was feedback that I actually never heard before I think it was something about my suits and it was something about my hair and specific very specific on like presentation and I'd not got on that for a very long time like they were very specific about things. I changed all of it and I got into the top three at my next show and like for me that wasn't an Olympian judge that was someone from Europe I'm pretty sure and I'm not I again I can't remember who that was and I thank you so much for giving me that feedback because I do think it helped me feel more confident and go into the next show with like a lot more like specifics and I I didn't get that from an Olympian judge you know so I don't think it's like saying only Olympia judges know what they're talking about because that's what I kind of get from this post in a way.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:43

Especially the side note at the bottom where it says most international judges are not great either.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:48

Like that's incorrect. I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true at all like you obviously yes we see a lot of the American judges go over to the US and again uh to the to Europe and stuff like that. Also what I think people have to understand is like the US is humongous in comparison to all these other areas up in the world like Europe has a lot of shows now a lot more shows now and they're getting better and I think it's really really cool that we're seeing them come up but you can't forget that the US is the pinnacle of where bodybuilding is so of course there's going to be more experienced judges more experienced things happening over in the US this is why we get people flying over to the US uh to sorry I keep saying the US why we get us judges flying over to Europe to teach the European judges to kind of say hey this is what we've got going on over here and getting European judges to learn from the best of the best but I don't think that's to kind of mend them and say hey international judges are bad because they're not yeah I'll get I'll go on my take here.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:51

I don't like starting from the bottom up here regional level judges there's two trains of thought here one regional level is like a starting level judging right or not even starting level maybe just someone didn't care about going further with it. I know personally a couple of the gym owners that live here you met them when you went and signed their wallet 3D both of them are regional level judges they have been doing that for 15 years they just don't care to be like yeah let's go test judge at nationals and pro shows and move up like they're just utilized in the Northwest here where they get asked to go to the the local Utah show the local um whatever show it may be down in Reno, Nevada or whatever and they do those shows because one not all shows not all show promoters have the funds to fly judges in from across the country or to ask Tyler or Steve or Bill to come out for their show. They don't have that the time the finances to be able to do that. They might only get 40 athletes at their show because they're in the middle of like nowhere Kansas putting on a regional level show okay so there's that train of thought then there's the train of thought of some regional level judges are newer and just as hungry as coaches and competitors to get better at their craft they just aren't there yet. Like they're wanting to learn they're wanting to do better. It doesn't mean that like what if okay let me use this as an example what if I wanted to go become a judge what if Phoebe wanted to become a judge we have to start at the regional level does that suddenly mean that we're not able to look at pro and Olympia level physiques and give proper feedback? Hell no. We just need to work our way up to that because once you test judge I don't know the exact um standard or timeline, but you have to test judge then you become a regional level judge after you become a regional level judge you have to do a handful of shows or do that for a period of time before you're allowed to then test judge a pro qualifier and become a national level and pro league judge. So you have to sit at that benchmark for a little while before you can move up um and so that if I like if I wanted to go and judge does anyone really think that like just because I'm a regional level judge that my feedback is any less than than another judge? No. Just some people have to start there and they got to take their time to move on up and some people start there and they just don't care to progress any more than that because they're like yeah I just like to give back to the league and my local area. Like if if I need to if someone in Boise here is a regional level judge and down in Salt Lake City four hours away they get called up to come and judge a local show that they're just giving back at that point. They're like I'm not I'm not a regional level judge for a career I just I love this sport. I stay active in it and I go and judge the local shows and then some people choose to want to go and be head judges and be pro league judges. And I will say too to some of the bigger regional level shows um Chris Mendez is one of the guys that does this actually and a couple other um promoters that I know Center Podium um Muscle Contest does it with a lot of their shows the head judge is usually a pro league judge anyway um the rest of your panel regardless of there even being a pro um a pro sanction in the show whether there's pro bikini pro bodybuilding might just be an only NPC show the head judge is typically a pro league judge at the bigger name regional level shows. Austin Carr, the Steve Carr classic down in Las Vegas um flies in flew out Dylan Armburst who's a pro league judge and chairman of Colorado and it was a and he did like three years ago when there was no pro division at a show. So that happens at most shows anyway um so regardless you do have typically that higher level judge but that's not to take away from the fact that there are good trained regional level judges out there that one are either just sitting in limbo waiting to be able to test for the higher level or they're just an experienced eye that never cared to go any further than regional level judging. And then to Phoebe's point about international judges you have like Moz is an international judge Sabina is an international judge Surge is an international judge I like all their judging so it's like I don't I've never I've never had like there's obviously instances here and there where you're like oh I don't know about this but it's just being biased it's just it's just objective. But like Surge travel surge and Steve DeVore are two of the biggest international judges that will travel everywhere and like Phoebe said they teach as they go and people are and international judges are learning from some of the best we have here in the States so that's where I don't agree with the international judges are not great. Like word for word right there I don't I don't agree with that we see plenty of plenty of what we agree with at the pro league overseas in the NPC worldwide overseas there's plenty of good judging I don't I can't remember the last time I looked at like the top five and I went what the fuck how like no like there that that would happen if the judge didn't know what they were doing but they trained the judges very well.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:50

Yeah I think again everyone has their opinion so obviously Damien has his uh is it Damien David David this one sorry I don't know what's Damien but I feel like everyone has their own opinions of course so like that's also like his opinion and that's also okay and I do think that like these conversations also should be spoken about do you know what I mean like yes if it this is his opinion and I love that Becky's kind of like commented like saying you know I have to say we do have some amazing international judges and back to her corner and then David uh David's kind of obviously said his opinion I do think that it's good that our that our opinions are being brought up and challenging the judges more and challenging like different scopes of the sport more that's great but yeah I do agree in sense of like I don't agree I agree with yes Olympian judges are gold standard so if you want to get great feedback go in front of them and yeah okay cool that's a great statement but then that also doesn't mean to not do any of the shows that they're not at because ultimately say for example example if they if everyone was to do that if every single person was to do that and there's like 50 girls in one category do you think you're gonna get the feedback you really really want from that one head judge when they have to judge all those people and it's gonna be actually worth waiting for because 50 people is a fucking lot of people whereas if you were to go to a smaller show to a judge that's potentially quote unquote less qualified you can get feedback because they're gonna see you fully on stage and see you again that this is just an analogy but see you fully on stage where you need to be and they can give you a lot more feedback potentially you never know. So I do think that yes that's a good quote in saying yes challenge yourself because the Olympia judges are going to give you exactly what you want to hear a hundred percent but don't also you know subside and be like okay I can't do any of the show that Sandy's not doing or Becky's not doing or whatever because other judges also have opinions that can help you moving forwards in your journey you know yeah so 100% anyway that is got posted from the guest posing just walked in oh my god I love that I love that so but was there any of the questions we had this week no that was I when he posted that I got sent at three or four times so that one stuck out to me but nothing else that was uh well we'll be we'll be going through Toronto and Mao High next week and like if anyone has any of the questions please comment them down below because we want to kind of go through each kind of part of the end and like go through all questions and go through things and yes I was just about to say and as well what was your and going into junior nationals in three weeks I was gonna say people or send us people that are or yeah or Toronto Pro qualifier as well we'll touch on that but junior nationals is three weeks away send us people that you want oh you had someone that asked about I will do this next week someone did send me a physique review and we will do this next week because this for this episode was already really really long wait how many weeks how many days out was she already actually I can't remember what show she was doing that you sent I'm assuming it was Junior Nats I hope it wasn't Toronto Pro qualifier and we're missing it but I think it was Junior Nats. Okay sweet we'll review um it'll be a week and a half out when we do our next episode so we'll review another we'll review a few physiques next week because a few people have actually asked like can you do uh physique reviews so if you want to next week send over some stuff to the the Stage Talk um podcast page and we'll review some physique stuff for you because that'll be fun. Yes perfect perfect right we will see you in the next one make sure you subscribe like comment down below all your questions that you want to know and we'll see you in the next episode.