Hair It Ferst
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Hair It Ferst
Hairdressers, Hailstorms & Matthew McConaughey Bedtime Stories
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This episode starts with tornadoes and totaled windshields… and somehow ends with Matthew McConaughey whispering everyone to sleep. The girls talk terrifying airline chaos, hotel sleep rituals, box fans in Dallas, hairstylist burnout, AI hair expectations, and why your stylist probably deserves a raise. Also: why every salon owner is one broken washer away from losing it completely.
Hey, hey, hey, gorgeous people. Welcome to the Hair at First Podcast where Great Hair meets real life. We're your hosts, Tessa, Monica, and a job. Free stylists, moms, besties. We're keeping it real about beauty, business, and the chaos of motherhood.
SPEAKER_01We're here to share stories, left way too loud, and maybe stole a little shampoo along the way. Just a quick heads up. We're not making any medical claims or giving professional advice here, just sharing our own thoughts, opinions, and experiences.
SPEAKER_00So grab your coffee, your favorite blanket, and let's hair it first.
SPEAKER_03Good morning and welcome back to Hair It First. You're returning. Thanks for coming and coming back and supporting us. If you're new here, hang on. It's a lot of fun. Never know what we're gonna cover. How are you, girls, this morning? Doing good. How about you? Just peachy. It is a beautiful day here in Missouri. What's your weather like there? We're gonna get 75.
SPEAKER_01Like I had a long way sweater on. Yeah, I was like, I'm too I'm hot. I was taking care of dishes and I'm like, I'm dying.
SPEAKER_04But yeah, we're gonna say sunny 82 tomorrow and sunny.
SPEAKER_05Yay!
SPEAKER_04But don't say yay because then Wednesday it's gonna be 60. Oh, yeah. That's pretty hard. I'm always saying if you hate the weather in Maryland, wait a minute, it'll change.
SPEAKER_01That's us too. Missouri as well. Your state is getting hit so hard, Tessa.
SPEAKER_03I know, and we've got it coming again tomorrow night. And the hell damage, you guys, while I sent you guys pictures, was it like the size of my fist? Yes. That's what I thought. Nobody has windshields left. Like it is crazy. In my town, we do. I mean, it it pounded pretty hard. There's a lot of hell damage, some cracked windshields, but an hour from us, um, 45 minutes from us, it was so bad. People don't have windshields. People, there's an airport there, and people that were had flown out did not have like their cars got annihilated. So there you have people with you that the rain's coming in, ruining all their stuff in their car. People are going and robbing all of these cars at the airport. Like, it's insane. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Speaking of airports, the whole spirit airline thing. Oh, yes. How crazy is I haven't seen anything on that. What do you mean? They're done. They're they stop. Spirit doesn't do airline. No, they're done. Like, it's completely closed down. I know a girl, she flew out with Spirit the night before they closed and had a return flight. And she was like, I don't have a return flight anymore. Yeah, like they stopped. They ceased that like instantaneously stopped. Nothing. Do you know what happens? No, nothing.
SPEAKER_01No, they just no, they just ceased college graduation. Yeah. Yeah. And one of the kids was like, spirit's done. Like, you know me instantly. I need more details. And what about the people that have flights? Do they get their money back? That's surprising.
SPEAKER_03They are reimbursed or what?
SPEAKER_01I don't know. I don't have no idea.
SPEAKER_03So either something really bad happened or they couldn't afford gas and they're like, okay, we're done. We wait till we couldn't know more.
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SPEAKER_03Wow. No idea, but it was crazy. I didn't even know anything about that. Yes.
SPEAKER_04The pilot had his last retirement flight and it was canceled. So they celebrated him on Southwest. His son flew for Southwest just so he said he sat in the jumper seat for the flight home and Southwest like did like a whole like retirement thing for him. His son was like, it was supposed to be my dad's retirement flight. Can he jump seat? And they were like, Yeah, which is awesome. Like, you know, he got to do his last flight with his son, but yeah, still like what happens if you are waiting like on a flight to go somewhere. What if you're at the airport?
SPEAKER_01You're like, my flight leaves in two hours.
SPEAKER_04Just playing. It's not leaving at all. Yeah, like EWI is now, they've already said that um our spirit section is now gonna be jet blue. Why we're not getting jet blue.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna tell you the last time I flew Spirit, I said I would never ever freaking do it again. It was disgusting. There was a full-size pizza box. I was sitting next to the window, stuck in between the seat and the window with pizza sauce everywhere. I was like, and my daughter was with me, miss with me, and we just looked at each other. And I mean, she's 19, but she's like, I am not lying spirit. I don't blame you.
SPEAKER_04I've never flown them because they I just it was always like a nickel and dime situation. Yes, but I know a bunch of people that have homes in Florida, so like they don't need bags, they're not checking anything, like they just need a uh cheap, quick flight from BWI to Florida, and they're like, it's great. Like if you don't need to check a bag and you don't care, like you don't need a drink on your two-hour flight, like it's awesome. It's cheap. You don't need to be comfortable, yeah. Like there's no legroom, you get nothing, but it's a cheap flight if you just need to get to where you're going.
SPEAKER_01My anxiety would be so bad I would probably have a heart attack.
SPEAKER_04100%.
SPEAKER_01I almost last time I flew, I almost had a major anxiety attack. And I'm like, how am I gonna talk myself out of this? I'm sitting next to the window, I've got two people next to me, and I literally I'm starting to get that breathing going. Like I was getting hot. I literally took my shoes and socks off. And I'm like, what am I gonna do? I just start fanning myself and like breathing, concentrating on my breathing.
SPEAKER_04Uh my anxiety has been like off the charts here lately. And I will tell you. So I downloaded the comb app. Okay, I think that's part of that. Is phenomenal. Like, I'll just call my air like music. It's music, like people will go through like a if you choose a guided meditation, they'll go through like a guided meditation with you. But I'm always the type of person, like, I have to have sound to go to sleep. So I have slept with a TV on my entire life. And now that Craig is trucking full time, like when he comes home, he's so used to no sound that it's he's like, I cannot sleep when you have the TV on. And I'm like, Okay. So I've been listening to Matthew McConaughey. He reads me a story every night.
SPEAKER_01Oh man, he's got a beautiful voice.
SPEAKER_04He does, and let me tell you, I am a horrible person to fall asleep. This book that he reads is 29 minutes and three seconds, and I will tell you, I have not listened to the entire story yet, and it's been almost a month. Do you dream about him when you go to sleep? No, but I will tell you, I normally have like really strange like dreams. Like, I don't sleep very good. And since I've been doing it, I feel like I sleep better. That's weird. Like, there's no blue light from the TV. But I will say the first time I turned it on when Craig was home, he like stood at the door and I could like see the outline of his shadow. And he was like, What the fuck are you listening to? My new husband, my boyfriend. I said, Matthew McConaughey's gonna read us a bedtime story, and he was like, Are you dead ass serious right now? And I was like, Yeah, listen, you can have your cake and eat it too. You can't tell me that the TV like is making it hard for you to sleep. Like, you're gonna have to pick TV or Matthew. Like, I which one?
SPEAKER_05Matthew every time every single time.
SPEAKER_04I mean, I guess. And now he just doesn't even say anything. Like, I'll turn it on. He'd been home for like two weeks, and now I turn it on, he just doesn't even say anything.
SPEAKER_03Do you want to go to sleep to a tampon commercial? Or Matthew McConnages sexy voice.
SPEAKER_04And he says to you, like at the beginning, he's like, as you're getting all comfortable in your bed, and your body sinks below the comforter, and and I'm like, Yes, Matthew. I'm sinking, baby. I am sinking into my comforter. You know, comfy. But yeah, I have not got past like uh maybe five minutes into him reading the story, and I'm asleep. I love that.
SPEAKER_03See, I listen to like rain and and noise. Adam likes brown noise. I don't know if you guys have oh Google it. It's just like I don't know. I thought that was white noise. Well, there's there's white and green and red and brown and purple, and I don't I I I honestly don't hear the difference in it in them, but Adam apparently does. I found brown noise last night, and it is the best. And I'm like, what's different than the white noise?
SPEAKER_01I just think of poltergeist when I hear that noise, and I don't want anything to do with it.
SPEAKER_04Carolyn!
SPEAKER_05Yeah, go carrole, yeah.
SPEAKER_04No, my friend Brittany, she even if she stays somewhere else, like she will have white noise playing on her phone. I swear.
SPEAKER_01I've downloaded, I have a fan app because I have a box fan and we travel like when we you know, because we drive to Florida or we drive to the UP, we take our box fan with us.
SPEAKER_04Listen. So are you telling me I should anticipate a box fan in Dallas?
SPEAKER_03I was just like here all your noises. You're trying to have Tessa. Most of the hotels have I will, but most of the hotels have them now. But I will bring you a box fan. But I'm just imagining you guys' room. Matthew McConaughey, the the fan, and then if I come in, we're listening to Rivers and shit. And then if Adam comes over, he's gonna put on brown shit. It'll be like a whole people will be like, what the fuck's going on in that room? And I need a humidifier. A what?
SPEAKER_01A humidifier. I can want to bought a humidifier. Like we went to New York for a hair show one time, and the room was so dry. Like one of my friends taught me if you like get a towel wet and then hook it over the vent, the air going through, but like then you gotta take thumb tack. I mean, whatever. The ones that are on the wall, you could do that better. But so I'm in New York and I'm dying. Like it was horrible. So I bought I bought a humidifier. This is horrible of me. And then I took it back.
SPEAKER_03Hey, yeah, we all do stuff like that. It's fine. You're not going to hell or anything for that. No, I just leave it, but well, I will I can bring it to the book. You guys make me a humidifier in a box of all the things to bring. Mid in my box. You know, I used to carry a full-length mirror with me everywhere I went, and that includes camping. We were big campers. And I you would if you drove by our camp spot, there was a uh full-length mirror sitting against the tree. I took it everywhere.
SPEAKER_01What did you want to see if you're camping? Like just it's just shorts, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but I I've very I have uh very low self-esteem. And I'm better these days. I'm trying to work toward that, but when I was younger, it was awful. Like awful. So it was just one of my comfort things where I could be put together. And even back then, I wasn't a camper that just had my hair in a ponytail and no makeup or anything. And I I look back on those days, I'm like, you idiot. What are you, you know, but it was just a thing that this insecurity of mine. And but now I don't look in the mirror most days. I don't some days I don't brush my hair. I don't think I was as long as we make up yesterday.
SPEAKER_01I'm like, I don't, I don't care. Like it's crazy because and this is horrible too, but I you what is that water now? That mescule. Yeah, oh, mycler water. And I love that to remove my makeup because I was I'm a person my whole life until probably two years ago. I just slept in my makeup. I always did. It was horrible. Yeah, and so now I'm like, I I need to be better about this, but I don't like just uh so my eye makeup stays on, but so yesterday I get up and have to go to the grocery store, and I'm like, and you guys, I so you know, you talk about low self-esteem, like my hands, like when I'm talking to you guys and I see, you know, they used to be freckles, now they're age bots, and now I have them all over my face, and you know what I mean? It's just one of those things I used to like made and I don't totally cover them up, but you know, I use a tinted cream or whatever. Um, but now I'm just like I don't even care. I really don't care. Same here, and nobody looks at me different, nobody talks to me different. It's like we're our own worst enemy and we need to knock it off. It's it's ourselves, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, well, and in our industry, it makes it worse. It does because I'm always like, listen, don't look at the gray in my hair because your hair is not gray. Okay, yeah, but the problem with our industry now is technology and the expectation. Yes. Like, we don't get to just be hairstylists. You have to be a photographer, you have to know how to post on social media, you have to know how to tell your client in a nice way that the picture that they're showing you is AI and not real life. Yes. Yeah, like there's so many things that work against us in this industry. Like I saw the best TikTok, and it was like this girl was like, You want me to what? And they're like, We have to take pictures and you have to have this angle and you have to have a professional camera and you have to do this. And she's like, Whoa, back up. Like, I just want to do your hair. And I had a client ask me, she's like, Do you have a portfolio? And I was like, um, I've been doing hair for like 17 years, and 17 years ago, you didn't do that. Like, you just did hair, you were good at it. Sometimes, if you remembered, you took an after picture.
SPEAKER_03But I don't have a portfolio of work that I've done. Me neither. And I get people to ask me all the time, they're like, How come you never post any of your hair on on Facebook that you do like in the salon? I do I post my for Fermaglow before and afters, but I've been doing hair for 25 years. I'm not gonna post my work. I have a big clientele, I love every one of them. Now I have gone down because my body hurts, my hands hurt, so I've had to go down in my clientele and things, but I don't post my work on Facebook and I don't feel I need to. And if I just don't feel I need to, so I I don't, but that is an expectation these days. And like you said, with the AI pictures, they come in and they're like, I want this. No, yeah, I want that too.
SPEAKER_01We're not gonna get that. I'm not gonna click a picture. She's like, This is what I want. I'm like, Oh, me too. Like, yeah, I just kind of make it funny, but and now you need to learn how to edit videos, and then make them really cute and make sure that you look cute in the video and that your client is okay with it. It's it's just so it's out of touch, and it I just it's too much, it's it's too much, and I like to do pictures and stuff. A lot of my clients, so for me, I have a clientele that's probably about you know, I have some my age, a couple a little bit younger, but most are about 10 years older than me. And I've been doing their hair for over 30 years, and you know, you lose some, you gain some along the way. However, I mean a good majority of of them come to me every three weeks for gray coverage, and you know, they have shorter hair, and it's you know, and people don't want to see that stuff, so I'm like, I'm gonna be taking pictures of the same people. Do you know what I mean? And I don't want, like you said, I don't want new people because my body hurts. I don't want to add hours. Yeah, here's the other thing too.
SPEAKER_04I feel like, and this is just my personal opinion, I feel like the people that are sitting there taking these crazy before and actors, I don't have eight hours to work on one client. Like my schedule does not allow for me to have my same client in my chair for eight hours and that be the only client I do. No, like I that's just not my type of clientele. Yep, yeah, you know, it doesn't work for me. So I feel like kind of like you said, Michelle, like I do a lot of root touch-ups, I do a lot of like baby lights, like you're not a lot of lived-in colors, you're not really like it's this not this dramatic, oh my gosh, before and after. So, like, why am I gonna take a picture of it? Now, if I was working on a client, one client for eight hours, yeah, I'd have a whole crap ton of pictures of it. But like, uh that's not that's not, I don't like doing corrective colors. You know, that's not my jam. I don't want to because what I would need to charge you for me to do your corrective color and have you sit in my chair for eight hours, you're not gonna be able to pay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, this is crazy. So I was just at, you know, a friend's whatever college graduation party of my our son's girlfriends, and um someone came up to me and said that their daughter, who does have longer hair, you know, she's in high school, got her hair done, highlights, five hours. Do you know what the hairstylist charged? I just want your guys' reaction on this. Five hours of work, $190. And I looked at her, she was complaining about the time. I was complaining because that girl didn't make any money.
SPEAKER_04I said absolutely not.
SPEAKER_01She didn't make any money doing that, and she just kind of looked at me about that, you know me. But slightly autistic and ADD, and and I'm not saying that's bad because I'm just learning this about myself, but my mouth runs before my brain can stop it. And she's like, she just kind of looked at me, and I'm like, she didn't make any money at all. No money, no, maybe $18, $19 an hour once you take the cost of product in time, even not even that.
SPEAKER_04At five hours, at five hours, she just got your $190. Gotcha. All right, and shame on the person, the client. She made schooler. Oh $38 an hour if she didn't use any product, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's before product. This is what people forget. Hey guys, you guys work in a nine to five, you're getting paid for your time, yeah. Right? You're getting paid for your job and your time, and hairstylists should too, right? People don't think they think we should just break even. Hey, it's a job, and I'm I'm working so I can have fun in my life and pay my bills.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm gonna throw this out to you. Your nine to five job is also covering a portion of your health insurance, you're also getting paid vacation, you're also getting most of the time a 401k in a retirement sick time, you're also getting PTO sick time. Yeah, um, hey Tessa, when you don't have how much money do you make? Yeah, zero, zero, and that's the other thing. If you don't show up for your appointment that you have scheduled, now I've lost the money that you were gonna give me by being in my chair, and I lost the ability to fill that spot because now I have no time to fill it because who am I gonna call that can get to the salon in three minutes? Because that's how much time I have to get them there. Exactly. So, you know, I was always told you figure out how much you want to make an hour. Yes, exactly. Figure out what your time is worth and think about it. If you Michelle, you've been here doing hair for 30 years. If in your profession, if you were in any other profession, how many raises would you have had by this if you lived in if you worked in corporate America, right? You'd probably be making what a couple hundred dollars an hour at your job.
SPEAKER_01So for the amount of education, like if you compare, right? We didn't go to college, but I can tell you this I've been to some of the top academies in the United States and they weren't cheap, right? Yep. So the education that I have under my belt that people are getting for free online right now, which and I'm so happy for them because a lot of younger stylists can't afford it. So I am so happy that's out there. Um, I think some are taken in by courses that don't really teach wishes, but anyways, yes, I should have had a whole bunch of raises and my body wouldn't be the way it is. Yes.
SPEAKER_03And people don't understand either. They They think that our job is just a mindless, we're idiots. We don't you know, when somebody goes to a regular college, they take what most of the time 15 hours max for that semester. We had 1,500 hours crammed into nine months. And we didn't just sit there and play. We learned anatomy and physiology, we learned chemistry, we learned all every bone, every muscle, yes, every nerve, everything in your body. And we did 1500 hours in nine months, and that's a lot. And we continue our education every day because no one's hair is the same, no one's scalp's the same, no one's allergies are the same, no one's I mean, everything is so different. We have a very hard job, and me myself, I I have never charged my worst. In a small town, people don't allow it. You know what I mean? And it's and and I hate myself for that because it's like man, I kind of screwed over my family doing that. You know what I mean? Yeah and so I I but you know it's hard to raise your prices. People complain, and then they want all this crap that we can't do because it's AI.
SPEAKER_04I did. I raised my prices. I am the most expensive person in my salon that I would have.
SPEAKER_01And people talk about me behind my back too. The stylists that I work with talked about me behind not this group that I'm with, but the other salon.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you know, but I will say the girls that I work with now are like hold on, let's ask Monica what she would charge, and we'll just cut that like in like into quarters. And I'm like, that's great, but like I'm not working for free. Uh-huh. I'm not working for free. You shouldn't have to work for free either. Right. Because you just spent four hours on that girl's hair and charged her $190, and you made like six dollars an hour. I'm sorry. I could go to Dunkin' Donuts and make $20 an hour and still screw up your coffee. Yes. So I'm sorry. Like, I'm not doing it. And I got to the point that I'm like, you know what? I would rather have less clients. Yes. And have high value clients. So those girls work for four or five days a week. Right. From open 8 30 in the morning to 7 30 at night. Number one, I don't have the ability to do that with, you know, my spouse's job. And we we made that decision last year when he just said he wanted to open it. Like I said, my career has been at the forefront. Now it's time for you to have your career, like have the career that you want. I will take a back seat. And that's when I raised my prices because I was like, you know what? I, if I'm gonna be here, I need to make money doing it. And I and I did, I lost clients along the way. And that's that was a risk I was willing to take. But now I feel like at least I'm charging what I'm worth and what I should have been charging. But I feel like also, too, you kind of get messed up with these baby stylists that are fresh coming out, and this does piss me off. These ones that have been out of school for like 4.5 seconds, and they're charging $600 for a highlight.
SPEAKER_01I'm a little bit different than you. Hang on. I'm a little bit different because I say good for them, because we were taught to feel shame for charging what we're worth. That's they are never gonna feel that. And they get to wear freaking tennis shoes and look adorable. Oh my god, me too.
SPEAKER_03I know what you mean on that. Now, I did tell my gonna be daughter-in-law she's gonna take over my salon, and she was like, So, how do I start pricing? Well, I'm going to apprentice her when she gets out of school on all of my clientele for a few months, right? I'm going to teach her and I teach her outside of school as well. And she's, you know, even before when she was in high school, I still kind of taught her things. She's coming out of there with a little more knowledge, and she's going to get trained right there. And I said, Because I have screwed myself for so long, what I charge now is probably school prices, and it's ridiculous. I said, you will start out at my price. You're not going below what I have. This is good for you. My clients are used to A, paying it. B, they I'm so underpriced anyway, that don't you dare. You're gonna start there and you're gonna go up from there. You're going to raise your prices from there. And she's like, Okay.
SPEAKER_04I know a girl that raises her prices every year. You're supposed to. We're supposed to. We are supposed to.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Well, if when we go to do our taxes, we start adding up what okay, our total for the year of what we made, but then you take off your foils, your color, your all of the things, and then we're like, Well, son of a gun, I didn't make anything this year because of all of the stuff that I, you know, people don't understand that. And people like I own my salon, and people will be like, Well, you don't need a tip, you're the owner, you make more money. Uh no, I don't. I'm paying taxes, electric, gas, all the things on this building, repairs, everything.
SPEAKER_01No, plus I do have to put a little in the bank in case something breaks.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01If you go buy a new washer and dryer and you don't have a little nest egg, because I own a salon, also, you're done. You're done. Exactly. I mean, then you're paying for it personally, and yeah, no, yeah.
SPEAKER_04So essentially, all you people out there remember your hairstylist also needs to make money.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and products are astronomical.
SPEAKER_04Oh my god, just like hamburger. Yeah, just remember that when you went to McDonald's to pay $13 for your meal, right? Just put it in put it in perspective, people.
SPEAKER_03And listen in perspective. If your stylist has Alpha Gal, she has to buy emu burgers and they're $21.99 a pound. So yeah. Well, there we need money too. We need money too. That's freaking shirts.
SPEAKER_04But yes, well, and the thing that used to get us was back in the day, stylists did used to make good money. They did, we didn't make money.
SPEAKER_01I made a chilling. However, I had an assistant and we worked our asses off. We worked so hard and we worked 10-hour days. And I'm telling you, if we weren't exhausted at the end of the day, we did something wrong. Yes. Now, because of my age, I wanted to slow down a little bit. I don't, I mean, I would love to have an assistant shampoo because of my back, but um I want that time with my clients. I don't want to be rushed. I'm just done. I'm done with race. I used to double triple stack. Oh, me too.
SPEAKER_03All day. I used to do that. And then I'm like, what am I doing? And plus, I'm chipping my clientele on having that one-on-one when the whole damn salon is full because I am I've got colors on three different people and I'm working on another one over here. No, so I did, I did back off of doing that too. And I'm very thankful for now. If I've got somebody processing and and a guy needs in for a haircut or something, I will I'll do that while they're processing. But but my color line process is so fast, I can be like bam, bam, bam. And with PharmaGlow, we're processing way faster. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So well, it's been great. Thank you guys. Topic as usual.
SPEAKER_03Oh, weird every single time. I don't even know. Um, okay, I am so excited. I do next episode, you guys. I have to chit-chat with you guys a little bit a little bit about the movie Michael. We haven't seen it yet. I need to go into some stuff with you guys. I will not give it away everything. But we gotta talk. Anyway, I love it. I love you, girls, and love you out there. Thanks. Have a good day. Bye.
SPEAKER_02Bye guys. And that's a wrap on this episode of Hair It First. Thanks for hanging out with us. We hope you laughed, learned, and maybe felt a little more seated through all the good hair days and the hot mess ones too.
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