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Getting Caught Up on the Practical Palette Podcast

• Marc Anderson and Tara Will • Season 1 • Episode 8

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After a busy couple of months, Tara and Marc are back behind the mics and chat about what they've been up to this winter.

SPEAKER_00

Hello, and welcome to the Practical Palette Podcast.

SPEAKER_04

I'm Tara.

SPEAKER_00

And I'm Mark, and we'll explore the world of fine art and representational painting through the lens of philosophy, art history, and our own art making practices. Today, Tara and I will be playing Ketchup. Hey Tara, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_04

I'm great. How are you, Mark?

SPEAKER_00

I'm fantastic. It's good to see you. It's been a while.

SPEAKER_04

It has been a while. I've been following your socials. It looks like you had some fun events and things. I want to hear about it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um, so yeah, it's been well, how long has it been since we actually did this? Since the beginning of the year, I think.

SPEAKER_04

It is. We've been naughty. Yeah. But you've been really busy.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, it's one of those weird things where I it's it's been busy, but not crazy chaotic, if that makes any sense. Um, so yeah, there's been uh I did a couple of shows and workshops uh this winter, later in the winter. Um, I was down in Georgia for a workshop uh that was it was nice. Uh okay, so the winter here in Wisconsin has been very long. It started early and uh and it just seems to drag on. There's still snow in my yard, um, which is not crazy unusual, but anyway, uh so going down to Georgia was nice just to get out for a little bit. And then uh so from there I went down to Florida for the Lighthouse Arts Center Plain Air Festival, uh, which I've done for I don't know how many years at this point. It's been a while. Uh, but I always look forward to that show. It's it's nice to see some old friends and and again get out of Wisconsin in the winter. And uh and then from there I went uh I on the on my drive back to Wisconsin, my brother met up with me and we did some hiking in the smokies uh for a couple of days in Tennessee, which was really nice. So that was a nice treat, you know, after uh a couple of weeks on the road.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Uh just to get out and hang with my brother, be out in nature, uh and yeah, just kind of soak it in, not really think about painting or or any of that. That said, I was taking reference photos, so I guess I was thinking about painting, but um for the most part, it was just some good quality brother time.

SPEAKER_04

That's so cool. I always wanted a brother.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Don't get me wrong, I love my sister. I was always like, dang, I wish I had a brother. I don't know, there's something cool about brothers, but that's awesome. I'm glad you got some brother time. How long is that ride for you from Wisconsin to Florida?

SPEAKER_00

Uh, like 20 hours, give or take. Um so the last two years during that trip, I've I've scheduled it up, and this is a good tip for anybody who does a lot of shows and travel. Uh, try and be smart about your itinerary. So I scheduled the workshop uh in Georgia so I could drive, basically split up the drive. So it's um I stopped in in Georgia on the way down, uh and that way I get kind of a you know, two birds with one stone sort of situation. Um but then yeah, on the drive back. Normally I would split it up into two days anyway, usually stopping in Tennessee. And uh and this time we added a couple of days in in Tennessee.

SPEAKER_04

But that's so cool. Yeah, 20 hours is is too many to do in one day.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Not 18 in a day, which was a lot. But I've never pulled 20 in a day. That that would be too much.

SPEAKER_00

I did do, I guess it was 15 hours on the second day because of where we were. We were um well, just outside of the smokies, and I I was dropping my brother off. He lives in uh Wapacka, Wisconsin, which is about a two-hour drive from where I'm at. So drove, dropped him off, and it was it was still early enough in the day. I mean, it was like eight or nine at night, that I was like, okay, I can push on and get home. Otherwise, I probably would have just spent the night there and then drove home in the morning.

SPEAKER_04

But yeah. Well, that's awesome. And how was Lighthouse? Was that a good event for you as far as sales? Was there any exciting, cool new work there that we've we've missed out on knowing?

SPEAKER_00

Uh yeah, yeah. There were a couple of new artists that uh had some really strong work. Um there was a number of you know, the usual gang that's that's always there, uh, but definitely some new faces. Uh I had a good time. I was trying to find some new locations because I've done the show for for so long. Um you know, you go to your your old haunts and try and come up with something new. And it's nice to have those to fall back on, but it's also you run the risk of repeating yourself, which is fine if that's what you're into, but I don't know. I just get so bored if I'm doing too many of the same things. So uh although that said, um, my very first painting, not my first painting, but like the first day of painting, I went to the same spot. It was this clearing in um did you ever go out to Riverbend Park when you were there?

SPEAKER_04

I don't if I did, I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. So it's this park, it's uh inland from the the coast, uh about 15 or 20 minutes. And it's just a a really nice park. It's uh there's a lot of a very dense forest, uh palm trees, live oaks, cypress trees, stuff like that. And there's a couple of creeks that run through there. Anyway um my very first year at the show, I had found this little clearing that got really awesome morning light. And I did a painting there, which I'm I kind of forgot about until I stumbled upon the same clearing this time. And it's since it's been, I don't know, eight or nine years since I painted that. I felt okay kind of repainting that area.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And uh and I did some very different paintings, uh, of course, you know, with that much time passing. The landscape itself has changed, but um, but that was kind of kind of fun to revisit an area that I had not actually been to in in that long.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I feel like it's good if you're in a plenary event to just Google cool stuff near X or Y or Z. You know what I mean? To see um, because I was in, I think I was in Atlanta, I think it was for Olmsted one year. And I was like, you know what? I'm kinda not a city gal. So I was like, what can I see around here that's cool, that's still like within the rules, of course, different, you know, events have different limits of how far you can go. And so I Googled like cool stuff near Atlanta and came up with Providence Canyon. And Providence Canyon is really just a canyon in Georgia that was created because of poor farming practices and like overtilled, like very clay land and like some big rain came and it made this huge canyon there. And it's very cool. And I'm like, oh, this is right up my alley. And I think it was like an hour or two-hour drive from um Atlanta. But I was like, you know, I always think it's good to kind of do your homework and see what cool things are around the places that you're going. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that's cool.

SPEAKER_00

Um, yeah, what have uh what have you been up to?

SPEAKER_04

I have been up to my normal shenanigans. Um I have been working on a stained glass door and I've changed the design about 10 times, which is ridiculous. I keep changing it. Um, so I've been working on that, and then I am gonna pick up some um plenary events this this year. Um so I'm going to I have several teaching things on the books. I'm going to Portland, Oregon, um, well, Oregon City technically in May. And then teaching in Georgia, like you, in June. Um and then we are going out west with the family in July. And then September, I'm jurying a plenaire event, which will be fun because I don't think I've ever juried a plenaire event. I've juried like online or physical shows, but I don't think I've ever juryed a plenaire event. So um, it's a local one in Pennsylvania, and I've picked up a couple smaller local plenaire events that I can just run to for a day or two, and they're not, you know, not super stressful.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, nice.

SPEAKER_04

That'll be fun.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And then with the with the jurying, is that going to be you're selecting the artist to be in the show or you're you're going to go judge?

SPEAKER_04

If I'm not mistaken, I think it's an open jury. Um, so it's a pretty small show. So I think they determine how many people are allowed in, and it could just be that you apply and get in. I don't I didn't jury anybody in. Um, at least that's to my knowledge. They didn't, I didn't see anything in any contract or email that I was supposed to do that. So um I believe it's just like the first 30 or 50 people who sign up get to do it. Sure. So that'll be cool. And I was asked to do Sedona Plenaire. You know, I love me some Arizona. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that's perfect. Um so I'll do that. And um yeah, then I'm back in Scottsdale in November. It's kind of like a cycle, you know? It's like back to Arizona. So I said, Alex, we should just move to Arizona because I'm like, the kids are getting older. Maybe they should just live in our house. We'll move to Arizona.

SPEAKER_02

There you go.

SPEAKER_04

Go to college and support themselves and live in the house. That's good. They'll take care of it. So um, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Is that something you've ever really thought of, like moving somewhere else? Like once the kids are out of the house.

SPEAKER_04

I haven't until recently because I'm not knocking where I live, but we really don't have a strong art community at all. And so it's very hard because um I mean, I'm in a local gallery that was my work study job from high school. Um and that's about 20 minutes from here. And um, there's another local like co-op kind of gallery. There used to be an okay art center, but that's kind of like fallen apart as far as um, I think they do a lot of programming for kids and stuff, but not really a serious um exhibition or anything. So um I just feel like I'm not living in a very vibrant art community, and that can be a bit of a challenge. And I don't have any inclination toward toward going any further north than I am for the same reasons that you just stated. Um so, and I just I do love the Southwest, but I feel like as an Eastern artist, um, painting the Southwest, I think it's harder to get representation or to be taken seriously. I was at a workshop once by a Western artist, and they said something like, Well, these people come to the West and they think they can paint the West. And I was like, the way I see it, we're coming with like fresh new eyes. Like, I've never seen this stuff, and it excites me, and I want to show it to people and in like my own quirky little way. And so um I do think there's this resistance to us East Coasters like pushing out west. They just, I don't think they like us very much.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that's funny.

SPEAKER_04

You know what I mean? It's like the West, they all accept each other, but like when we try and like weasel our way in, we're not we're not quite as um readily accepted, I think. But prove me wrong, put it in comments.

SPEAKER_00

My big uh my hot take on those Western artists is uh none of them know how to compose a painting because the the compositions are already there, you know, go somewhere where the landscape isn't as exciting and see what they can do, which of course is just a joke. But yeah, um I I like it is uh it's a thing. I mean, if you go, I mean we painted in Tallyride together.

SPEAKER_04

Um I mean you can were we ever in Sedona together? I don't I mean um in Sonoma together. I think you came after I I think you came after my last year there.

SPEAKER_00

That maybe.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um I did that for three or four years, I forget. Um but yeah, that's another place where I mean, yeah, you just it's just beautiful throw a dart on the yeah, yeah. Um blindfold yourself, spin around, take the blindfold off, paint that, and it's gonna be the best composition you can do.

SPEAKER_04

Sure, turn around and paint another. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. Um and not to say, I mean, I love where I live and there's so much to paint here. So I'm I'm not really complaining, but sure. Um sometimes you have to work a little harder. You just don't have the grand landscape that you do in the West.

SPEAKER_04

Right. Um Yeah. It's and it's not that I don't like our landscape. I like that we get four seasons. Um I like that we have pretty generally mild weather, you know. I mean, we get snow and cold, but it's not crazy. Um but um yeah, I'm just I'm feeling like I was having this conversation with Alex yesterday. I'm like, I'm one of those people that just like hunts for for things. And then when I find them, I like drive really far distances to find them. So I um had been hunting for a special kind of marble tile that I've really wanted for um for a bathroom that we're renovating, and we found it. So we had quite a drive yesterday. And during our drive, we were talking, and I said, you know, I'm feeling like a little ball of like wasted potential. Do you know what I mean? It's like I haven't really, and part of it is life, you know, I have four kids, I have responsibilities, I have, you know, I like to cook, I like to, and so it is we talked about it, I think one time where we were like, find find art in everything, or you know, and I do try and do that. Um, but I have been feeling a little like I'm wasting like I I could be doing more than I am. Does that make sense to you?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, for sure. Like you spent years developing uh your skills and uh and building a career, and if if you're not pushing at that a hundred percent all the time, sometimes it can feel like am I not yeah, I guess uh I I know what you're saying. I didn't I don't know that it's uh like give yourself some some grace, you know.

SPEAKER_04

I didn't mean it like in a negative way. I just meant Oh, okay. Well, and I meant like like if there was some like really vibrant art community here where I was like, oh, I need to get a piece in for that show, or like, hey, so we're going out to do such and such, like, oh, so and so is offering a class on pretty much anything on the planet art wise, because I love to learn everything. Um like I would be there, I would show up, but it's like that just hasn't really been so I I'm thinking picking up some of these planner events, I'll start to kind of like you know, feel my way back into the process. But it's been it's been quiet in the in the art realm for my brain. I've been doing a lot of teaching though. Um yeah, but I don't really count that as painting because that's not painting for me, that's like painting to help someone else. Yeah. And you can't really get into that like flow state that we talked about if you're describing what you're doing every second that you're doing.

SPEAKER_00

So there's that piece, but and it's it's hard to do like uh let's research in your painting, you know what I mean? Like trying to break new ground or do new things if you're also teaching, because those are kind of at odds with each other in in some respects.

SPEAKER_04

Right. And I I really enjoy teaching. I've been doing that um 20 on Tuesday thing. And um, it's been really fun. And it's just these quick, you know, 20-minute demos. Actually, I have one coming up at noon. Um and it's fun because there's there, I do, I think they're nine by twelve is the size that I settled on. And so you pay 20 bucks, we do a demo together for 20 minutes, and then I raffle it off to somebody who's live on the call and they get it for free. So I'm like, it's fun for everybody, you know?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So that's been fun. Um but yeah, and the stained glass thing, I'm just really slow at it because I'm afraid to cut it too small, and then I have to stand at the grinder for 25 minutes on every piece that I that I do.

SPEAKER_00

So when you're so that you said that's gone through several iterations at this point. Are you like designing, are you doing sketches ahead of time or doing it on the computer or just kind of piecing it together as you go?

SPEAKER_04

Kind of a combo, like a loose sketch on a piece of paper traced. So I actually have a frame for an antique door that I'm gonna put it in. And so I need four four panels that kind of stack to make a vertical um image. And at first it was trees, and now I've changed it to like a canyon. And um what's cool about it is that I could technically um because there is basically like a frame that the four pieces sit in, I could just when I'm, you know, inevitably, because I'm such an impulsive, you know, person, when I get bored of that, I can, you know, make a piece of glass the same size and swap it out pretty easily. You know what I mean? It could be a pretty easy thing to switch. So um, yeah, so I really need to get my act in gear with that. So but it's so fun because glass is like a completely different medium in that um there's the opacity piece, you know, how is it clear? Is it opaque? Like how does that affect its value? Um not money wise, but you know, color light wise. Like the how how does the light come through it, you know? Um all that kind of stuff. So it's fun.

SPEAKER_00

Nice, nice.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um I don't know if we've talked about this, but uh Anna's been playing around with fused glass for the last year or so. Um and it's yeah, it it's the first time I've had to I mean I don't have to, but I have uh thought about some of those things like the opacity or transparency or thinking about some of that. Uh I mean, I I'm sure there's a word for it. I call it like figured glass, you know, stuff that has like interest interesting patterns in it. Um thinking about how that and and it's very similar to how I guess we as painters would think about texture or um uh or I mean the transparency and opacity thing is actually pretty similar in a lot of respects. But um yeah, it's interesting.

SPEAKER_04

Uh it's well funny because I ran into another stained glass artist, and I was uh I was talking in painting talk to a glass artist, and they didn't I'm not saying like that they didn't get it, but they were kind of like they didn't understand what I was saying because I was like, oh, is there ever a opaque piece of glass that can be a higher key value than a clear piece of glass? Like regardless of color. Just like, is there is a clearer piece of glass or a transparent, I'm sorry, that's just the better word. Is it is there any transparent piece of glass that could ever be um less light than an opaque piece? Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And they were kind of they looked at me like I had 12 heads, like what are you talking about? Like, no, I mean like so um so it's a fun new thing to do. It just it's very, very time consuming. I could be out here for four or five hours and just get like a small little section of something done.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So it's kind of contrary to my typical haste.

SPEAKER_00

Uh yeah. Do you find that uh just the process itself? Um, one, it takes longer. Yeah, you gotta cut the glass, grind it, shape it, all that stuff. Do you find that to be uh more meditative?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. I've always been a meditative um repetition kind of person. Person, except in printmaking, because that requires um a cleanliness of paper and hands all the time, which I'm not very good at. Despite my best efforts, there's always like some little smudge of ink somewhere that like I didn't see, you know. Um, but there is something very nice about, and it's kind of fun to like break glass, I think. But you basically score it and break it and don't have necessarily complete control over some of that. Cause you were talking about like those wispy textures. A lot of times those are almost like weak points where they're not gonna break the way you think they're gonna break. You know what I mean? Because there's like some kind of stress in that um material. So but yeah, it's been fun.

SPEAKER_02

Nice, nice.

SPEAKER_00

Um yeah, I I it's funny, I've been so I like just painting. That that's all I've been doing is painting. And I do kind of miss playing around with uh some of that stuff. Um and I we've talked about this before, but um I'm hoping this summer to finally be caught up with painting. Um where I can start playing around with some other stuff.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. So what other um plenarium events do you have coming up?

SPEAKER_00

Um I what am I doing? I've got uh Door County, I think that's the only other event I'm doing this year. Um so it's it will be a lot more uh not just studio time, but uh more my own time, you know. Uh so I'll I will be doing plenaire, but yeah.

SPEAKER_04

How many do you normally do a year?

SPEAKER_00

Last year, I think it was four or five. Um so I in the past I had been doing like eight, seven or eight or nine, maybe. Um, and that was a combination of you know, um more national shows and then some more local shows. And I started in the last few years cutting back because it was just really uh like it just takes time, it's a lot of time, so you know, travel, time away from home, all that. And I wanted to be in the studio more, so uh, but I I started whittling it down to the shows that I really wanted to do, and the last couple like cutting the last couple was kind of painful because they were shows that I really liked doing. Um but this year, uh yeah, it's just the two, and I'm I'm kind of okay with that, you know. Yeah. Um even though one's Door County, which is where I live, so that one's it's convenient, you know. But I I I really enjoy that show. And then the one in Florida, again, like the timing is kind of perfect. Um, and I've because I can do these workshops uh along you know, basically in the same trip. Um from a business standpoint, that's very convenient. Um, I would like to go back to Sonoma at some point, I think. Um I mean there's there's a bunch of them. Uh I would like to do Sedona at some point. Um, I've never done that one. Um, and then we were talking about uh Zion. Yeah, that's that's when I would like to do this one. Um but no, I I think the thing that I've noticed over the last few years that I've enjoyed a lot more um is just going and hanging out with people and painting. So you get the the camaraderie of a plain air event without all the the running around and the obligations. Um so we actually uh this winter, and this is this is the second year we did it. Um a bunch of it's not just Wisconsin painters, more Midwest painters. We had a winter painting retreat in uh southern Wisconsin um that was very, very enjoyable. Um so basically there were, I guess, 20 of us, maybe. Wow. Uh and we all stayed at this, it's a 4-H camp, um, but they have cabins and uh a cafeteria and all this. So we were there for three days. There's a whole um like meals were provided uh and all this kind of stuff. Like it was very convenient, but also just a lot of fun and and you know, getting out in the winter and painting, which if I don't have someone pushing me to do it, I I don't always do it because it's you know, it's like extra work and it's cold and and all that stuff. The studio's right there, it's nice and warm.

SPEAKER_04

I know painting is always better with a friend, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. But that's the thing is uh I noticed and don't get me wrong, I like painting by myself, but uh it's good to have that camaraderie, and you know, whether you're trying to do good paintings or just get out and do some studies, that's all I did this year. I did a bunch of like really small studies, and so there's no pressure, you know, just bang them out in an hour or 45 minutes. And one, I was really happy with all the studies, like they're probably all gonna be bigger paintings at some point. Um, but then it just made it more about the the social aspect and and just talking about art, um, you know, more philosophical ideas about art, or uh in the evenings we'd get around and do portrait sessions. Like it was just it was fun, you know. It was like summer camp.

SPEAKER_04

So in the winter.

SPEAKER_00

In the winter, yeah, yeah, yeah. Winter camp.

SPEAKER_04

Winter camp. That's cool.

SPEAKER_00

Um but yeah, I've been more drawn to doing that rather than doing the the plain air events.

SPEAKER_04

Um yeah, and I think because I'm so um there's such a lack of place to sell here where I am. I'm kind of like the sales part is something that appeals to me just because I feel like I don't have access to a don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for any collector base anywhere. Um I just think in Maryland it's a little bit softer at the moment. Um, most of my sales are out of state as far as sales of paintings. Um so I'm like, you know, it sounds lovely to go on a retreat and paint for for pleasure. Um but I'm like, I I feel like I would want to be able to sell because it's so there's like, you know, not just I don't know. I've been feeling I've never wanted to move before. And I have been thinking lately about it. Um, especially so our oldest is going to um graduate high school next year, which is crazy. And so we're going to and doing like college visits, which is crazy. And I'm thinking, you know, when they're out of the house, like, you know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So um it's it's funny to have that I mean I I don't have kids, so I can't say for sure what what that impending uh uh what do you empty nest uh situation will be like. Um but I have had situations where I've I've been living somewhere and I'm like, well I I don't really have any ties here. Why I could move anywhere, you know, that like that level of freedom. Um and actually I was living on the west side of Wisconsin and happened to be in Door County for something. This is years and years ago, and I was just sitting by the lake and I was like, I could move here, like there's no reason I couldn't. And then, you know, 15 years later I I'm living here, which is kind of fun.

SPEAKER_02

But yeah, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_00

And that was never the plan, but it it was it was interesting having that sensation of oh, I could just pick up and go somewhere, which uh is a privilege situ uh position to be in, I recommend but yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Well, and we have families, so I'm like it would be it would be hard, but I think when the kids are in college, it would be like doable. Even if this house was like base camp and we just left for, you know, a couple months at a time, would be kind of cool to like live wherever you want would be neat. Yeah, we'll see. So are we gonna get back on a good, like on a good podcast schedule? We're gonna try and keep these shorter because we've decided that we think that's a little more palatable. So we we should be wrapping up here.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

But um, are we gonna get back on a topic schedule?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think so. Um, so we do uh I guess I I should apologize when we we were originally gonna be talking about Tom Thompson and the group of seven a couple months ago, and both of us were waiting on books that we had ordered for a while, so we can blame uh the shipping for part of it. Um but that definitely I think threw us off our our usual schedule, that and the holidays and all that. But um, but yeah, moving forward, so uh I'll I'll speak for myself. My schedule's uh getting a little more manageable, I'll say. Um, because I've been getting ready for a uh a show this summer, trying to get a bunch of paintings done, and that's more or less under control at this point.

SPEAKER_04

Where is that show?

SPEAKER_00

Um, so I guess two shows technically, but um one is at Edgewood Orchard uh here in Door County, uh Edgewood Orchard Gallery. Um so that show is coming up Memorial Day weekend. Oh, nice. Uh, if you're in the area, please stop by. They've got they should throw the best receptions there. Like it's a it's a whole party. Um, and then also on Memorial Day weekend, we're going to have uh reception here at my gallery. Oh nice along with uh my neighbors, um uh the Papelka Trenchard Studio. Um, they've got the glass studio next door, and then uh Margaret Lockwood across the street. She's a painter as well and has has a gallery.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um last year we did this and uh actually closed down our street and had uh like a food truck and a band play. Like it was a lot of fun. Um and so we'll do something similar this year, but um but yeah, I gotta get a couple more paintings done for that.

SPEAKER_04

But um that's awesome.

SPEAKER_00

But we're we're on the way there.

SPEAKER_04

If you haven't been to Mark's gallery and you are anywhere near Sturgeon Bay, it is beautiful. And like I said, like how cool is it that you have such a vibrant art community that you can be like, hey neighbor, let's do a show. Like that's awesome.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Uh I didn't know that I I would like it as much as I do, like being part of uh a much more broad arts community, and especially with people doing other mediums and stuff like that, because um up until we moved here, I mean all my friends were painters, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Sure.

SPEAKER_00

Um, so it's fun to see them be, you know, they're all like really good at what they do, but just in a completely different arena, um, which is which is really fun.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, there's room for everybody. I love that. All kinds.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely. Um but yes, so uh I I guess I don't know if our next episode will be on the Tom Thompson question.

SPEAKER_04

I'm fine with that if I'm being perfectly honest with you. I did get the book, but I didn't read it yet. But I will. Um, well, it's funny because I was waiting on a book that actually was from Canada and couldn't be shipped here for some reason. So I have a friend in Canada who's like, hey, can you snag me this book and send it to me? It just took a really long time to get here. So um yeah, I will I will get on that and we will have to do that next. Did you read your book yet?

SPEAKER_00

Uh I I started, but I am not so like walked through all the images, but yeah, I need to read the ones.

SPEAKER_04

So um yeah, well, that'll be fun.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and we might have a uh guest for that episode. Uh yes from the from the great white north.

SPEAKER_04

That would be lovely.

SPEAKER_00

Um which uh we need to coordinate that, but uh yes, we'll we'll have that going. And then we do have a bunch of other topics that we still uh we should review. And lots to talk. There's plenty to talk about.

SPEAKER_04

Plenty to talk about.

SPEAKER_00

But uh until then, I guess uh thank you all for for joining us.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, thanks for waiting so long for an episode. And um we we we are back on it.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. So until then, uh happy painting, everybody.

SPEAKER_04

Happy painting, everybody.