How talking Sh*t made this Mum's business hit 6 figures in 5 weeks

She built a 6-figure brand by talking about poo.

But the real story is even better.

This week on Motherloading, we’re joined by Joely Gabrielle, former Head of Beauty at Grazia and now co-founder of gut health brand We Are Regular.

In just five weeks after launch, the brand hit six figures — by tackling one of women’s last taboos: talking openly about poo.

But this conversation goes far beyond gut health.

We talk about:

• traumatic pregnancy and postnatal anxiety
• the identity crisis of motherhood
• leaving a safe corporate career
• launching a business with your best friend
• building something ambitious while raising a child
• being pregnant again while scaling a startup

Plus we introduce a new Motherloading segment — The Load Audit — exploring the invisible mental, emotional and ambition load women carry.

Funny, honest and wildly relatable — this episode is for anyone navigating the messy middle of motherhood, ambition and starting again.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:36

How talking shit made this mom's business hit six figures in five weeks? My partner is so regular. It's like when his eyelids open, so does his arsehole. Crying every single day for eight weeks. Embarrassment is the cost of entry for success.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

But who just seemed like this last taboo that nobody was talking about? My attention was 80% on the business and 20% on rap. And that was never a balance that I wanted.

SPEAKER_03 1:05

Identity, ambition, exhaustion, power, intimacy, love. You're carrying it all.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

You're not alone. This is mother loading.

SPEAKER_03 1:16

Today's guest used to decide what was cool in the beauty industry, and now she asks how good your poo was. She was at the top of the beauty world, head of beauty at Grazia, and within a year she walked away to build a gut health brand tackling bloating and constipation from her kitchen table with her BFF. And five weeks after launch, they hit six bloody figures.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

That is incredible, and I cannot wait to hear more. But from telling women how to look good to helping them feel good enough to talk about their bowels. We do love a good food story, don't we, Nikki?

SPEAKER_03 1:50

We love a good food story.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

But today isn't just I know, right? Today isn't just about success, it is pivoting careers, starting again, pregnancy, motherhood, and all the messy middle of life. Jolie Walker Sanderson, co-founder of We Are Regular. Big fam. Welcome to Mother Loading.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Well, thanks for having me, guys.

SPEAKER_03 2:15

So you left head of Beautia Grazia. Did you ever imagine you'd become known uh from being fashion front row to tube stations with a megaphone, and now you're known as the Pooh Woman?

SPEAKER_00 2:32

Yeah, tell us, how did that happen? I saw it in my uh in my uh you know, bingo card, it kind of just very much happened almost by accident. So yeah, if you'd have asked me five years ago, if I'd have been Pooh girl, I would have uh yeah, not quite understood what you meant, but it's very much become my reality.

SPEAKER_03 2:51

And so rewind a little bit. Um we obviously will give everybody context on we are regular as a business and obviously your journey within motherhood, but kind of rewind. Was entrepreneurship always the plan? I mean, you have spoken about the roller coaster ride into motherhood. So was that the catalyst? Like talk us through where you were at and how you got to where you are now.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

I would say entrepreneurship is definitely something that I always wanted to do. I knew I always wanted to launch a business at some point, but I loved my career. I got into it very quickly after uni. I got an internship at Elle magazine and I got an assistant role quite quickly. So that just kind of took off. Loved my career, it was wild, it was very fast-paced, which I really lent into, and then always wanted to do a business at some point. But I actually never thought it would be, I never thought it would be in supplements that hadn't come to me. I am a massive foodie and I thought it would be in food. That was like my thing, I always had ideas about. Um, very much never thought it would be Pooh. I would say as well, I didn't want it to be beauty because it was so I saw how many products launched all the time. Yeah, I was lucky enough to have, I mean, hundreds of products home, like at least 10 packages a day, land on my desk, newness, newness. And it that's really nice, but it it's overwhelming, and we don't need that much stuff. So, unless you're gonna bring something completely new to the market, you have a totally new innovation or something really important to say and show. I didn't want to get in that space without having that. So I think the way the regular came to be was the perfect way because I wasn't thinking about it at like at all. I was eight months into maternity leave. Um, kind of at that point where it sounds savage and it wasn't like bored, bored, but I'd been in this routine for so long and I missed that part of myself that was like ideas driven and brainstorming and working with amazing, predominantly women. And I missed that. And I went for lunch for our friend's birthday lunch with Holly. So Holly is my co-founder who I met in a nightclub in Leeds when I was 16. We very illegally, as you do. Um, it was actually a rave, and then we went to university and manchester together, lived together, both ended up in the beauty industry, Holl on the commercial side, me on the editorial side. Um, and never once did we ever talk about going into business together. And then we were at our friends And never did we ever. Um, and then we're at our friends' birthday lunch, and Hall has been constipated since I've known her at 16. Um, and she'd got this pillbox out, and she had like 30 different supplements a day that she was taking. Wow! And she was she had a tea, she'd put a tea bag in a hot water at a restaurant. I was like, what are you doing? This is crazy. Um, and she'd found basically a concoction of all these different things, she'd taken herbs, magnesium, vitamin C, uh, minerals, and but she was pooing every day, so she was absolutely buzzing, having the best poo's of her life. And I was like, you can't continue to do that. She was spending like about 200 quid, I think, a month on supplements, which is mad. Um, and having to down like 30 a day. So I was like, why don't we put all of that into a supplement and we can call it regular? And that's just I just said that, and she was like, Yeah, should we actually do it? Um, and then two days later we spoke to our first manufacturer.

SPEAKER_03 6:14

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 6:14

I love how effortless quite quick.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

It's so effortless, your that that whole story though, and that's when like real golden products are made, like when it comes from like a genuine somebody's story or experience, and it's just like you say there, it was just so seamless, it wasn't forced.

SPEAKER_03 6:32

Um, meant to be. Do you feel like the fact you didn't overthink it? You just kind of went. Like when you said, right, we'll do this. We hear a lot with mums who are setting up their own business or trying to set up their own business, they get stuck in ideation a little bit and they just don't really know how to go. Did you start looking at competition? Because you talk about the beauty industry having lots of you know, being quite a saturated space. And maybe not around bloating or constipation, and I've never seen a brand like yours, but that's quite a saturated space too. Did you just not think about it? You were like, we're onto something, we're just going.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

Yeah. I I don't think we did overthink anything. We winged it from like day dog because there was something that worked, and the proof was there because Holly had already tried every single supplement. She'd tried it and nothing worked, which is why she got onto this. Like, she spent thousands, like 10k plus over a decade of seeing doctors. That she saw everyone and she'd never found anything. So I just trusted her. As soon as she said that, I was like, that's you, that's the golden ticket. Like, you found the thing. And it was very obvious from the get-go that we had a product, but I was like, this needs to be, we both were this is a way bigger conversation. I was like, why does nobody talk about poo? Like it's so embarrassing, like it's something specifically that women should be what secretive about.

SPEAKER_03 7:55

I know, like we talk about Botox and we're all running around, but we can't talk about a good old shish. I know.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

Uh, and like how much better is that? But I think even with Botox, really good example. Five years ago, I don't you would have probably talked about it with your friends, but you didn't see it so much on social media.

SPEAKER_04 8:10

No.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

People like JLo are saying she's olive oil in her face. Like, to look like that. I don't know what she's had done, she looks amazing. But and even in magazines, then we're like, why would we not come like it's like a confession to say you've had Botox because you want to age whatever that might be in a specific way? And I think that's changed, you know, from five years ago that I've seen in the magazine space. I think on the way that period care has changed, sexual wellness has changed. Yeah, I love it. Like, you couldn't buy, you know, sexual wellness on like your beauty site that was spoken to you in a really relatable way. Like you had to go to like a, I don't know, back alleys in Soho or wherever you wanted to go. Like it just became more mainstream, and then those conversations were opening that empowered women, but Pooh just seemed like this last taboo that nobody was talking about, and that we were like, okay, we're gonna talk about it, and we're gonna be very loud. We're gonna be as loud as possible.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

That is like the I would say like our podcast, our podcast, mother loading, and everything that Nikki and I discuss, and with all the guests that we have on, like be loud, be proud. And like I love the way that you've just used the word empower there because I think we're just have a we're coming, we're in times at the moment where we're just breaking out of what we've been taught we shouldn't speak about, and the things that have been tethering women and shackling us, and now we're just like, fuck that. If I want to talk about shit, I'm gonna talk about shit. And I love the fact that that is like you've just said, it's like a way to again just empower women, like it's something that's maybe associated more with kind of what men would do, you know, like yeah, men will do too far and like the weary thing, like again, it's just laddish and boyish, and we're supposed to be proper. And it's like but having a poo is the most natural thing, right?

SPEAKER_03 9:55

Everyone does it to be like, why are we and that's what really caught my attention about your brand is you were pushing the status quo, you were unapologetic, you were going through London with these megaphones, being like I just had a poo, and I just thought, thank God, and that's what made me go and buy, by the way, where it's here.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

Um, and you made it chic, and because I love the fact that it's yourself and your friend with the background that you're in, and it's a very kind of glamorous beauty background to then now be talking about poo, there couldn't be two women that I think are better suited to make the rest of women in society, um, and it's not it's not you know just people, but feel comfortable about it.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

Um, I think that's really beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 10:49

Yeah, I mean, for me, I got we are regular because I I suffer constipation and have done my whole life. Now, I if I have two coffees in a day, I need to be near Lou because it could be the complete opposite. Yeah, like you're not gonna tell that story. But it just blows my mind. Like my partner is so regular, the minute he wakes up in the morning, regardless of what time it is, it's like when his eyelids open, so does his arsehole. Like he literally goes straight. He literally goes straight to the loop. Are you like that regular? Whereas I need a little morning. I need a little kick up the board.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

Used to be after a sick box.

SPEAKER_03 11:30

I know when he doesn't work anymore.

SPEAKER_00 11:32

Yeah, but James like decides he'd be like, oh, we're going out for dinner, I'll just go to the toilet now. And I'm like, wait, how do you like how do you do that? Like do that? That blows crazy to me. It blows my mind.

SPEAKER_03 11:43

Um, so what I mean, so you launch, right? You're like, right, we're going in, all bums in, and all bums glazing. And what does what does year one look like? Because are you both working? Because like you're on Matt Leave, you've just had a baby, you made this huge decision in a really tough pivotal time. And I think you'll tell us a bit more, but your motherhood journey was was quite a roller coaster, right?

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Yeah, absolutely. I so okay, yeah. So we're re rewinding two years ago that we had um the brand idea. We were at the lunch, and then obviously eight months before that, I had my son. It was a really difficult pregnancy. I had placenta previa, and then at my 32-week scan, I found out I had Vasa Previa and was put on bed rest for a month. Wow. Um, which was so scary, and like, yeah, it was just like in this really dark fog of not knowing what was going to happen for that month. And then I had like twenty-eight people in the room when I had rap, which was mental. I had people at a viewing window because the two conditions combined were really rare, so they were studying it. Wow. And I was in main theatre, it was very bright. James was literally looked terrified. Um, and you know, I knew the possibilities of what might have to happen in the birth, and they booked me a bed on the um intensive care unit, so I was like trying to be like mentally prepared for that. It luckily didn't get to that, and the birth um, you know, it was not a nice experience, but went as I guess as well as it could have with those syndromes. And then RAF was in um ICU for a few days. We were in hospital together for a week. So it was all very like traumatic and intense. And before that, I'd recently had an ectopic pregnancy and had surgery to remove a fallopian tube, and then I had a um, I lost another baby after that, and then I got pregnant. And this was all in a very short window of having the ectopic pregnancy surgery in the May, and then getting pregnant with RAF in the September. So it was very like, I was already in this like very intense zone. And when he was born, I just had the I wouldn't say it was depression, I just had really bad postnatal anxiety of like crying every single day for eight days, like not eight days, eight, um, eight weeks, and just felt weighed down and was so sure, I guess, because I just had bad news constantly, yeah, that something was gonna go wrong.

SPEAKER_04 14:11

Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_03 14:12

I think that's why it's we hear it a lot and like intrusive thoughts and and that postpartum anxiety isn't actually talked about enough, I think, compared to postpartum depression. Yeah. Um and it can be really scary.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

It can be scary, and I guess maybe I downplayed it. Like I had a doctor ask me, are you okay? And I thought, well, you know, I shouldn't be taking up their time because I'm not depressed. Am I depressed? I'm not depressed, I'm just super anxious. Um, so I guess we almost downplay it because we're like, you know, we don't want to take doctors' time. It's not depression, but it's so um like debilitating and and and it impacts a lot. And it, you know, that period of motherhood, the very start. So I'm I'm pregnant again now, due in summer. Woohoo!

SPEAKER_01 14:56

Congrats!

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Yeah, and I'm trying to figure out I cannot remember the early days. I was in such a blur, you know, as we all are, like sleep deprived. So I'm like, I can't really remember, and I don't know if that's a good thing. I'm going into it kind of blind again. So I'm trying to get in a more zen zone for this pregnancy, although I have no fucking idea what I'm gonna do with it. It's the best way, it's just that basically in a newborn.

SPEAKER_01 15:21

I free fall through so many periods of my life, and I'm just like, you know what? I'm jumping off a cliff, no parachute, but I'm gonna be alright, and we always are, and I just think the way like you've reeled off so much stuff there, like I think that's something that women and mothers we tend to just kind of go, and this and this and this, because we do just get on and we get through, and we just crack on with it, and I think that's something that we've all you know got in common. It kind of like brings us all together, unites us, like the the actual load of everything. And then at eight months after having your son, you just started a uh a new business, and that is something that Nikki and I, when we have guests on the show, we have found that a lot of um our guests who are entrepreneurs have taken on these huge um new ideas after having children. And where do you think that kind of bravery comes from? Do you think it's a little bit like, well, I'm already kind of doing so much, so fuck it. Do you think that's what I'm saying? We just throw something else in there. Just open a business.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

I I think so. I think that's a huge part of it. And I think the kind of fuck it mentality of you know, you're already in the thick of it, and I guess letting go of perfection, and we're like, yeah, just let's try something else. Yeah. I also think being at that point on maternity leave and missing that part of myself was a big thing for me. I think being able to do it with a business partner was like beyond invaluable. Like we were able to push each other forward, and it wasn't, you know, full time until uh uh quite a bit later because we were trying like I don't even know how many rounds of product testing we did. Um, and then she was in full-time work as a commercial director. I went back to work a few months after, and then yes, things started to build, and at no point did either of us say we're gonna quit our jobs. Like I thought this was something I would do alongside Grazia, right? Which I was doing for two and a half days a week at that point, and like consultancy on the side. So I was trying to kind of straddle all of these multiple elements. Um, and then Hull did it first, and she's like, I'm handing my notice in. I was like, Oh, this is happening, this is this is happening now. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 17:31

Yeah, basically, basically. And so did it just sort of organically happen, it wasn't a moment that when you were thinking about setting up the business, that you were like, right, as a mum, I want flexibility, I want autonomy. It just it's kind of all just worked itself out the way it needs to work out.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

Yeah, I would I would I would honestly say I didn't overthink it, and I should have to prepare myself a little bit more. But like we were saying, like going in blind to something like that, I was not gonna have my notice in and decided two days before. I literally was very much like, I'm gonna have my notice in two days. And James was like, but we want another baby. Like I thought you were gonna try and do that and then Matt Leave and try juggle it again. I was like, No, I decided, and he was like, All right, well, good for you because you're you're good. I just did it.

SPEAKER_03 18:18

Well, good for you because you're got like no pun intended, kind of let's gave you that sign, so you just went and did it. And I think sometimes, as we said earlier, when you overthink it, that's the problem. Yeah, but how how scary was it? Like all of a sudden you're in there. Did you have those 3 a.m. panic moments when you think about the income drop?

SPEAKER_00 18:39

Like, yeah, the income was one for sure. Like, I haven't been paid since June, and I had savings, and also off the back of a maternity leave with quite crap, you know, maternity pay. But I had some savings and I was like, right, okay, let's just we'll go with it. We'll figure it out. Um, my husband owns his own business as well, so in terms of the flexibility that that has allowed us, um, especially around parenting. Um, but yeah, I mean, there was definitely like 3 a.m. panics. I think the most intense period by far was like the two months around launch, the month before and the month of. Like that was working until two in the morning. I that was definitely the time that I found the hardest in terms of the parenting juggle because my attention was 80% on the business and 20% on RAF. And that was never a balance that I wanted. That's like I hadn't found my balance yet. And because we were working towards this very definitive date. So we launched the Instagram, had all of this kind of preload content, and then we'd done the countdown. Because obviously, we told people, and we're like, we were still doing the website an hour before we went on sale. It was like we don't have a home page image. We need to do this, let's move this around. And we're both sat at my kitchen table, and then we just pressed it, revealed it, and then we're like, right, we hope people buy. And they did, and we had hundreds in offers from just the pre-sale to our newsletter base, and then that week was crazy. We had a Daily Mail article on the Friday um of Holly's kind of like personal story, and again, like hundreds that day, that Shopify was going like ping ping ping ping ping. And I was like, shit, we've actually managed to do this. I literally know. Uh, you don't know until you know, but I guess the back to the maternity leave question, and when I was like, Yeah, do you know what? I'm gonna leave my job. We did some consumer trials, did a lot of research on the consumer trials, and when we were doing our follow-up calls and interviews, and these are like constipated women being constipated for varying degrees of time, different stages in their life, and everybody was telling us that it was unlike anything they'd tried before, it was working. They did it uh like filled in a really complex form every day for seven days, and the results were amazing. I was like, right, yep, do it. Jack in the job.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

I love this. This is it.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

What does success actually mean to each of us? Like, we knew we wanted to obviously grow the business as quickly as possible, and you want to do everything, but I don't want to do that and sacrifice time with my son. That's an that is a absolute red for me. No go. Um, so I think establishing those things and what success looks like to you, like I guess the success that's been thrown at us, especially thrown at us, especially as mums, and being labeled this like stupid philosophy of having it all and be smashing it at work, being there to like cook homemade meals and do this is so false and absolute bullshit. But we've been trained from literally teenagers that that's what we should be like striving for. So I guess just readdressing that and what success actually means to us and what we want. And we found a really good flow with that, and just respecting each other's boundaries. Um, and then making time for friendship as well.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 21:58

Friendship should always be first and When you speak to someone from the minute you wake up, you know, basically until you go to sleep, even though like evening is like chat friend time, not not work time. Um I think just try and maintain that balance and carve out some friendship time as well. So you're not just like constantly talking about business. But we've got into a flow for sure.

SPEAKER_03 22:19

I think there are really, really good boundaries to set. And one thing you mentioned, and as a business grows, it can be really difficult sometimes to keep some of your own personal boundaries in place. And you talked about how the two months coming up to launch it was 80% business, and you were like, I don't want this. That guilt, have you learned to kind of reframe it a little bit that sometimes there will be times where it's 80% business and your partner will step in, or you just like no, it that that can never be the way. Um, because I just feel like we hear guilt a lot, but sometimes it's just about accepting that there will be times that you are not able to be there the way you want to be, and that's okay as long as it doesn't become the default way as such.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

I think 100%. And like we have some huge projects coming up and you know, very big plans over the next few years, and there will be some times like that, but I think the first time you're in it is always gonna be the hardest, right? You're navigating this completely new thing. Um, and next time, like exactly like you said, I'd be like, okay, I can do this because this is not gonna be forever. I know that after this I'm gonna take a break and like you know, finish work earlier, spend more time with Raf. I think something that I am worried about though is bringing a new baby into the mix, yeah, and then you're splitting your time again. So I'm constantly asking, you know, mums with several children, like, how do you do that? Raf is already very against the idea of having a sibling, he's not happy at all.

unknown 23:50

Oh bless him.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

Um shit, like what am I gonna do? And then, you know, I guess that compounded with probably not having a mat leave. Like, well, definitely not a traditional mat leave. I've been trying to think about this week, like, what does even like some semblance of a small mat leave look like? And yeah, exactly, which is definitely what I'll have to do and you know, want to do. Um, and Holly's the most supportive of that, and you know, one day wants kids herself. Um, but I think it's hard for me because I don't want to leave her like unders under supported or or overwhelmed. Yeah. So it's like, you know, how involved can I realistically be in a business with a newborn and then also spend time with my toddler? So I think I've got to prepare myself to a different type of guilt, and then hopefully I can adapt to that if I'm a groove within it. But I think guilt is something that I think will always fall on me, but something I'm learning to, you know, take on a bit more.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

I think it's just part of our DNA, isn't it? And I saw that you on socials were reaching out to founders or moms saying, somebody help me, like what do I need to do? And I'm I would imagine and I hope that that you probably got so many people reaching out to you because my understanding is that I got so many. Yeah, so many. And isn't that so encouraging that often we just feel like, especially in moments where you are, and as you said earlier, your husband James was like, but we were gonna do all these things before you started a business. That sometimes life just doesn't work that way, like things are meant to happen when they happen, and if it does, you can do it as a mum, you can do it as an existing mom, a new mom. It's just about setting the support structure, putting the support structure in place to make it work for you, um, and not being afraid. Would you say to if we have women saying, Oh, I want to set a business, but I have young kids, so I can't, would you say no? There's a community out there, you like you just have to put yourself out there?

SPEAKER_00 25:53

100%. I think there's like I was overwhelmed by how many it's it's taken me days to actually reply to them. There's like a hundred plus, I a lot, and and not just like a little snippet of advice. People were really taking the time to write paragraphs and paragraphs, giving me their number, being like, if you want to chat, I I've been in the same situation, I've set that up. And the community is so strong, and it really is there if you seek it out and I guess ask ask for help. Um, and they were giving me brilliant tips, and it was also interesting because again, people's versions of success and what they wanted their Matli to look like are completely different. People's situations are different. People have a co-founder who can take the reins, sorry, who can take the reins for say a month or however long. And some people absolutely don't have that, and they might be a single parent who needs to go straight back to work. So everyone's, you know, situations are completely different, but there really is a community and a support network out there. Do you fear failure at all? It's a really good question. And maybe because I've not thought about the answer, maybe I I don't. Which I probably should.

SPEAKER_03 27:00

No, I think I think that's okay. I think a lot of entrepreneurs are born without the fear of failure or the fear that it's okay to fail and you get back up, right? Fear fail the fear to do it anyway. But what I'm learning is that you can fear failure and still be an entrepreneur, and I think it's by doing the things, and that's what inspired me about your story because I heard you on another podcast, and it was like asking for help. Like as women, I think sometimes we feel like we need permission, we feel like we need to have it all worked out before we step out. And then if we don't, we're like we make excuses not in a bad way, but we're like, oh, I just had a kid or I have kids and I can't do this. I can't that actually everything when you're just open, authentic, and vulnerable, people will come and support you. You will get that village and you can do whatever the hell you want, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:51

Massively. I think that village is a really good point. In like, I try to speak to female founders every day. I reach out to them on Instagram, I say, Do you can we grab a coffee? Like any tips, and also just to I think having a moan is really good. Yeah. And be like, do you know this is fucking hard? I'm not so stressed this week, I'm not sleeping, I'm pregnant, I feel like shit. And I guess finding yeah, communities, whether it's in business or beyond, of people who are going through the same thing as you, which I guess is why NCT and things like that are really handy. NCT was rubbish. My teacher was awful. Yeah. Um, I actually had an argument with her, which actually like mortifying. But the people in front of I've you know, the people I met from that were having babies at the same time, and that was really important. So I guess when you're in the thick of something, whatever it may be, finding a community who's going through something a little bit similar for the moan factor, for the advice factor, is is really useful.

SPEAKER_03 28:47

We say a village can be two people. As a mum, has it given you more flexibility or is it just a new kind of pressure?

SPEAKER_00 28:56

I I now I yeah, do you know what? It definitely gives you more flexibility and then more restrictions, I guess, in other ways. Or maybe it's more about the flexibility you allow yourself. I I could technically never stop working. That would be the best thing for the business would be if I never slept and worked 24 hours a day, right? And that's a possibility, and I guess when having your own business, it's the pressure to do that. Like you sit down and watch TV and you're like, shit, I should be like editing an Instagram video or doing something or popping onto emails. But I guess prioritizing the basics and the fundamentals, like I need as much sleep as possible if I can get it, not very easy with the toddler. Yeah, and those kind of basics and building up from there. Um, but yeah, I'd say it's it's a learning curve for sure.

SPEAKER_03 29:45

I mean, I have recently just given up my corporate job, which was safe, it was very well paid because I'm just I knew I wanted to do something by myself. Now I'm a little different to you. I haven't quite worked out what that is yet. But I just I need the space and I need the clarity to work it out. But what you were just saying there, the thing I'm struggling with the most is actually a feel at the moment because I haven't found the balance. I'm almost more distracted from my kids than I was before because when I'm sitting down, I'm like, time is money, time is money. But actually, memories are currency, um, and I need I'm in that messy middle at the moment where I almost find this idea of going out my own has is taken me away from my family. And I the idea was it was meant to bring me closer to them.

SPEAKER_00 30:34

Yeah, no, and I totally appreciate that, but also you have done your thing. Like we're doing it right now. Well, that's fair. Don't downplay that. That you yeah, you don't downplay that you haven't found your thing, and things will add on to that. But you should be really proud of what you've done already. It's not easy to leave a massive corporate job where you're getting paid. Yeah, like that's a big risk and a big jump. I totally appreciate how that comes with the added pressures that can be quite distracting because pressure is distracting. Yeah, it's ri when you're in a comfortable job that you you know really well, you feel like you can smash it, it's a comfortable space to be in. It is uncomfortable to take yourself out of that, you know, zone and to try and figure out what the hell you're gonna do. But I think for everyone that I speak to, they knew they had to do it, and if they hadn't, then that is what they would regret more. I just think so.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

Got in your gut instinct is is your most reliable friend, it knows what you need before your mind knows. And I think when you're shedding a phase of yourself or a version of yourself, you know that more than anyone. So people might be saying to you, Oh my god, are you crazy? And it's like uh you're not me. So and yeah, I probably am a little bit mental to leave something. But I've said before, do you not find that when you've done something really scary that's really made you think shit, but you've done it anyway. That just kind of I always find whenever I've done that, I also left um I was a teacher for 14 years, a single mum, I just handed my notice in and became a female personal trainer. Granted, I got my qualification as I was teaching, but everyone was like, Michelle, you've fucking out of your mind. Like you've got Lenny, like you you've got no one else to help you. And I was like, Yeah, but my teacher days are done. And once I did that, it's just like another of those brave decisions that I get to put in my back pocket. So that next thing that I I that faces me that's scary, I just feel even though I'm still scared, I'm like, it's cool because that's what I do. Like I've got these in my back fucking pocket, these are in my belt, like it's fine, I do this stuff, and it just yeah, it prepares you, doesn't change the feelings, but it prepares you to face them. It's like going to war again. I've got my scars winging.

SPEAKER_03 32:48

Yeah, and I think what you said there, and thank you, Jolie, for reminding us about the podcast. Because I think as women, we're terrible for downplaying things, aren't we? Like, we're so terrible. But it when you said about regretting not doing something, uh someone sent me something on LinkedIn when I was talking about leaving the corporate world, that that old saying by Mark Twain, which was like, in 20 years, you'll regret the things you didn't do more than the things you did do. And that landed because I was like, who cares if I epically fail? I'll just get back up. No, like, no, everyone's doing their own thing. That's it, no one cares, they have their own shit going on.

SPEAKER_00 33:27

And I think the idea of failure, like it is again, and like Hall always says this like when we mess up at work, it's not a failure, it's very much a learning. And I think your quickest learnings come from failure, um, and you probably move forward more with failure, like that's how you learn. And I think that, yeah, and it shows you a culture away from um, yeah, yeah, totally, and that you're resilient, like failure makes you resilient.

SPEAKER_03 33:57

Um, so I mean, going back to just quickly going back to shit and and poo, just at where Burcy, congratulations because you just signed a I don't know, do you say deal partnership with boots? That was really phenomenal. And like going into boots. You talked about, you know, you sold out and you hit six figures in five weeks, and you were doing this while I'm Matley, while having a job, getting pregnant again. What what what what was the secret? What do you think it was the way you and Hull just authentically and unapologetically went to market? Do you have a secret source for any of our female founders out there?

SPEAKER_00 34:40

Yeah, I think you lean into the power of social and community. I guess ours was although the product, I guess, in itself is niche, the messaging isn't. Like the messaging of empowerment and being loud and proud in like quiet female spaces, specifically in wellness, is something that appeals to more. So I think you know, it's very much something that we leaned into on social, which was very chaotic from the beginning. We did like a road trip around Leeds, Manchester, London, and we went up to people in the street and we started interviewing them about their poo habits, randomness. 99% did not want to speak to us, and we were stood on like the main street in Leeds. I was like, oh God, yeah. And I was like, I think be brave. And like, was that something that you know we'd want to do every day? No, but we're like, this is important, and if we are gonna spread this message of breaking a poo to boo and not letting you know something that happens to all of us be something that's shameful, you have to live that. So you have to live the brand message, and so we did that from the start to be loud, very loud, very proud.

SPEAKER_03 35:46

What's that saying? And this is what I keep reminding myself embarrassment is the cost of entry for success. Like, let it go, leave it at the door, just go big, go big or go home.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

So we're all gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 35:59

I also think, yeah, but I also think that it's actually crazy how quickly embarrassment shifts.

SPEAKER_04 36:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 36:06

Like, maybe the first day, you're like, oh, and then by the second day, you're like, whatever, I've done this. I'm now stubborn with a megaphone talking about how constipated I am in Piccadilly Circus in Manchester, or reading out on the tube in London, like poo reviews about someone saying that they had a gold medal poo, which was one of our favourite reviews on our website. So we're like, well, let's just go onto the tube with a megaphone and say it. Um it's just you get some funny looks, but do you remember like Answers Parties?

SPEAKER_02 36:34

Did you ever go to them? People have been in there initially like really tentatively looking at the tilde and then at the end of the night, eh?

SPEAKER_00 36:44

But it sounds like a yeah, it sounds fun.

SPEAKER_02 36:46

No, I used to go to them like quite young as well.

SPEAKER_03 36:49

But I remember like so, because I know you guys love a cupoo story. Michelle and I we had done season one and we had laughed. I mean, honestly, if I haven't sent it to you, I'm gonna send it to Jolie. We were crying laughing about this Tinder date that Michelle had, where well, I say Tinder date, it was um, it was just uh a spicy one. And he basically arrived and had the shits in her loo and asked her for baby wipes, right? So obviously the loo stop! It was so funny. We were crying laughing. So we took the piss out, this poor lad for like having the shits at Michelle. The first day I went to Michelle's house, and like this rarely happens to me. I'm sitting having lunch with you at the shits as well. Stop. I was sitting there and I could feel my stomach going raw. And I was like, oh my god, do I leave? Will I make a home? If uh so then I I I had no choice, like I was about to go. So I ran up, I was like, can I just use you Lou for a second? I go upstairs, I literally destroyed the vibe. I was like, what am I gonna do? This is so embarrassing. We've just laughed about like someone at maybe it's Michelle's house.

SPEAKER_02 38:00

You're like this with a fish and poop.

SPEAKER_03 38:01

And then I was like, can I get away with this? Is there a window?

SPEAKER_02 38:03

And then I was like, why am I stressing out about this?

SPEAKER_03 38:06

This is Michelle, my friend, my partner. So I just had to come downstairs and I was like, Mish, I'm really sorry.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

I just shut myself.

SPEAKER_03 38:14

I just shut myself in your loo.

SPEAKER_01 38:17

We have got so many poo stories.

SPEAKER_00 38:19

Checking your poo is a huge thing, and we're getting like we now are like an official partner at Bal Cancer UK, which was an aim from the beginning, um, and we're just kind of fleshing out what that partnership looks like this year. But checking your poo is is so important. I lost an anti to bell cancer, and it is one an insight to your overall health, but like knowing what to look for. Um, so if you don't know, pop onto the Bell Cancer UK website, they've got loads of useful info, but it's so important, and then doing something about it. I've been to doctors, had fingers at my bum, had things checked, pooed in those little whatever they are that you have to send off. And I think the shit taking away the shame, I think, really has the long-term effects in terms of like health. Like it's important that we talk about these things.

SPEAKER_03 39:09

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

Like in the way that there's you don't feel shame to go get your boobs checked, or hopefully people don't. We should be doing the same with our poo.

SPEAKER_01 39:16

It's just hard, isn't it? I re I I remember having to go to the hospital for something. I was hungover to be fair. So it was to do with something. And I was in this, I was wheeled into this little cubicle, and I mean, I was just so rough, and and this young lad like wheeled in this commode and said, You'll have to provide us with a sample. I was like, You'll be lucky to get something that is even remotely solid to sample, my friend. And I was like, I my sister was being big, I went, I was like, machine, I'm just gonna have the squits on this commode, and I can't cope. And I said, and this and I just couldn't, I wasn't comfortable enough to do it, so I just walked out. Oh my god, the booze, poo's.

SPEAKER_03 39:54

I've never played that's so obvious. How have I never thought of that before? Yeah, it's so oh my god. I think no, you're absolutely right.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

Alcohol is terrible for your poo. And I know it sends everything uh west.

SPEAKER_03 40:06

I feel like gut health is gonna become like the new skincare, but as much as we kind of joke about poo and we should talk about girlfriends and what everything you just said there around poo health is incredibly important. Firstly, doctors don't care, they've seen a million poo.

SPEAKER_00 40:23

Like you have to also they don't like have the time. Like there are stats around how many doctors, like how many laxatives are prescribed a day. You what, you've got 15 minutes, like they can't go into your like depths of your gut health, I guess get different things checked. So a quick solution is all right, we'll have laxatives and hopefully it'll sort itself out. And we're bad for that in the UK that we just shove a plaster on rather than looking at the root cause. But your poo is a very much an insight into your health, um, which I you know why checking it is important. And we were talking about skin and gut, I think, on the call we did, and that's like so interlinked, and it's like called the skin-gut access, but inflammation, breakouts, like dullness, so much your gut is just like an absolute powerhouse and shows on the outside as well as what's going on inside, which is really important to highlight that we are regular because we didn't actually cover this earlier.

SPEAKER_03 41:21

You it is not a laxative.

SPEAKER_01 41:22

I was about to say, so what would you use it alongside if you've got if you're having say I used to stuff with IBS bad? So if you've got any kind of gut issues or bowel issues to kind of use the product alongside making sure that you've had like gone to the doctor, or like what is what does the product do?

SPEAKER_00 41:41

So the product is not a laxative, and Hull had been hooked on laxatives in the past, so many of our friends have been, and it's a really vicious cycle when laxatives are your thing that you know is going to help you go, but they're terrible for you, they're terrible for your gut motility. They strip all the good as well as um you know taking it all out. So this is a totally natural formula. So it's magnesium, citrate, vitamin C, L glutamine, amazing for gut health, gut motility, um, barley grass, and then herbs, so ginger, peppermint, uh, almberry, acerola extract. So it's like 10 ingredients. And the reason I feel like I'm doing absolute QVC now. I have a pack too, obviously. And the reason it's in a stick, so it's in a stick, tear it off, pop it in some water, drink once a day. So it's not just like a quick, you know, you just do it once and that's it. It is intended as a long-term gut health support. Um, and it's all natural, so you don't get that like rushed feeling. If you've had laxities before, it's awful. Like you're just talking about your loo story, you know, when you're like cramping and you're like, I'm gonna shit myself. You don't get that. It is natural. When we did our consumer trials, it was 79% of these constipated women went for a poo within the first 24 hours, but it wasn't like I need the loo in 10 minutes, it was very, you know, more of a natural, holistic approach because that's sustainable long term. Taking laxatives all the time is not sustainable long term and it's bad for you. So being able to take care for your gut, uh, take care of your gut at the same time as getting those, you know, benefits was was our aim and is unique about our product. There's obviously a lot of fibre products on the market, and we get asked that a lot. It's not a fiber product, it's not a probiotic. We could actually take it alongside a probiotic, they work really well alongside each other, but it's the combination of like getting you going with the magnesium with the vitamin C. There's a lot of vitamin C in there, so my husband just takes it for energy. You know, like those little vitamin C, they're called emergency things.

SPEAKER_03 43:46

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:47

Yeah, and you take them when you have the flu, or like this has the same amount of vitamin C in every single stick, so it makes you feel good as well. I know the benefits.

SPEAKER_03 43:56

I noticed that actually because it's almost like, in some ways, a multivitamin. So I can categorically say it is a fantastic product. And I bought it off my own back. It was not gifted because you know when we do these things, like we don't want to put our our, we don't want to stamp something saying, oh, it's amazing, unless it genuinely is. And I thought it was great because I'm taking quite high levels of iron at the moment because my iron levels are so low on borderline and anemic. So I really need that help to keep regulated. And that's what I found. It just regulated me. It felt like a healthy poo. It didn't feel like a laxative poo, which was really nice. And it had the magnesium and the vitamin C, which is like as a middle-aged woman in the city. I'm going to get some of those things.

SPEAKER_00 44:40

But that's the reason it's in a stick as well. So if you've ever had constipation and you've tried, say, like two capsules before, non-medical capsules, like two capsules is not gonna do a lot. There's like eight to fourteen capsules in a single stick.

unknown 44:54

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 44:55

So a lot of ingredients. And from the beginning, I was like, but then like capsules, you know, they would be so easy. And he the formulator was like, you'd have to take 14. And we're like, okay. Wow. No one wants to take 14 capsules, which is why it's delivered in a powder.

SPEAKER_03 45:09

Before we wrap up with our invisible load expl exposed, which we will explain. Yeah. Just one thing I thought of, which was a question we get asked loads when we're talking to female entrepreneurs, not any detail as such, but a lot of people don't know where to start when it comes to funding. And obviously, there's different areas of funding, right? There's self-funding, there's investments, etc. Yeah. From your experience, what advice would you give women who are thinking of setting up a business on where to go to learn about that? Or stumbling boxes. Yeah, it's a big stumbling box. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

Yeah, for sure. And I think that we in the beginning explored like multiple avenues, and we were meeting with investors. And we actually went to um an event called Wealth. It's like Women in Health. And there was this amazing, inspiring scientist. She was only young, she was in like her early 20s. She was developing something for like a probiotic for babies who weren't breastfed. And she'd put all of this research into it. But her advice was that she gave so much capital away so early because she needed the money. And that's a you know, she had a big project to fund, and I imagine the expense of that. So that was that was her option. But she was like, if you can avoid it, like bring as few people in as possible. Because they're the ones with the power. The money gives them the power. Yeah. And just let don't let them take too much away. So we were like, we would rather start smaller, work at our own pace, and own it 100% for as long as we can. Like in the future, we'll have to take investment at some point, especially when we want to go worldwide. But I think protecting that while you're figuring it out, because it also starting a little bit smaller allows you to really get to know your community.

SPEAKER_04 46:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:56

It allows you to like navigate some of the sticky spots and make changes. Um, so we it was a combination of self-funding and savings of Holly and I and like family-friend investment from the start. Um, but we were very lucky in that we, you know, we hit that six figures in such a short amount of time that we were able to do our second stock order. I think it was in like a month. Wow. Um, which we had to do because we knew we were selling out and we knew we didn't, it's a three-month period, which we had to beg them to do eight to be able to get more stocks. So I think not rushing to give so much of your business away if you can.

SPEAKER_03 47:35

Yeah, I think it's really good advice because we're in this whole hustle culture where everyone's like, I launched a million-pound business in six weeks and I did a digital product. That actually sometimes being slow and steady, taking the time to iterate, taking the time to understand your community, as you said, is way more powerful in the long term than going all in and making a huge mistake. So, okay, that's great. I think our community will love that. So, on that, um what do you say the invisible load that uses women, us as moms, us as business owners can affect our gut health?

SPEAKER_00 48:15

100% stress, stress impacts my gut so much. And I know we were speaking about alcohol before, like the big things alcohol, UPS, so ultra-processed foods and stress. Oh the big thing. But stress, but it does so much to our bodies, impacts our sleep, which impacts our gut. I think it's all interlinked, and the mental, you know, the mental physical load of motherhood is stressful. And I think a lot of that becomes from mum guilt and and other elements. So yeah, unfortunately, stress, which is unavoidable to some degree, definitely has it holding the full body.

SPEAKER_03 48:50

We are starting a new segment, which is the invisible load exposed. So it's basically like a little mini audit of that load, so that we can start recognizing it and and understanding that it's okay to say I have too much on my plate right now, so this is where I need to um kind of give myself a break. So we're gonna do that to you. So it's a quick fire round. Um so from one to ten, ten being the load is extremely heavy. So mental load, remembering everything.

SPEAKER_00 49:23

Remember no, mental load is high. Um eight. Eight, emotional load.

SPEAKER_03 49:31

Um five. Ambition load. Eight. Identity load.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

I actually think I know myself more now than I ever had, so I would say lurk two.

SPEAKER_03 49:47

Love that, and the fact that even doing this, you've got to recognise that is amazing. Body load.

SPEAKER_00 49:52

Yeah, if you'd have asked me that a few years ago, my identity crisis post-baby was a nine. So yeah, I'm proud to have come back. Oh, I love hearing that.

SPEAKER_03 50:02

I love hearing that.

SPEAKER_00 50:03

Yeah, body load. I mean, I'm pregnant and feeling like a shit. So fast.

SPEAKER_04 50:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:10

I know I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_00 50:12

I think it's that it's just um, yeah, sickness feeling knackered all the time.

SPEAKER_03 50:15

I say probably that's going to be which so would you feel that's the loudest one for you right now?

SPEAKER_00 50:23

I know I say the loudest is the mental load at the minute. Um, just trying to do juggle a lot of things, but also I guess just wrapping my head around what the future, immediate future in eight months is gonna be like with newborn and how I'm gonna do the maternity thing. So I guess that's maybe taking up a year's head space.

SPEAKER_01 50:44

If you look at how you managed starting a new business and you just said, come on, let's fucking do it, that's exactly what you're gonna be able to do now with your second baby. You've already got it under your belt, you've got it.

SPEAKER_03 50:56

So and I know you're already putting it out there, asking for help, showing vulnerability, which I think is amazing. If a woman listening today is at a tipping point of 10 for quite a lot of those elements, those invisible loads, like what would be a piece of advice that you would give her to start setting some boundaries or where to just start?

SPEAKER_00 51:21

I guess maybe just like it that's a really hard one because they're all so different. Yeah. And when one of them, you know, mine were I guess a little bit balanced, but there are times when all of them are like tens, eight tens, and it's when all of those in sync feel so overwhelming and some push the others up. So I guess maybe that rather than trying to take them all on at once, like, is there the one thing that you can focus on and put your energy into? And that will have a ricocheted effect on the others, rather than trying to do everything all at the same time, because that in itself is a load, I think, and overwhelming. Whereas maybe you could take baby steps, as it were, and to tick like go for one thing at once.

SPEAKER_03 52:02

I couldn't agree with you more, and I was just telling Michelle that's what I had to do because the load and all of the buckets felt so heavy for me recently. I was so overwhelmed, I couldn't see the wood from the tree. So I actually sat down and she was like, This is so you thing to do. And I audited the load, which is why we're doing this. I was like, right, what sits there, what sits there, what sits there? So I could actually see it in front of me and then go, okay, I can make one or two changes. Not that big a deal. Control what you control, and then it actually just made me feel a lot more comfortable about the load, and also made me by looking at it and understanding how heavy it was, that I needed to start like when you actually idiot written down, you're like, Jesus Christ, I'm doing too much. I need to ask for help. I need to ask my partner to row in a little bit more. I need to do, and I do think it's important that we just stop bloody carrying the invisible load.

SPEAKER_00 52:55

Like, yeah, and I think the key is it being invisible. Uh talking about it and asking for help take you know, takes the invisibility cloak away. And although it might feel exposing and make you feel a little bit vulnerable, I think what you can take from that and gain from that is it's super powerful to not, you know, not feel like you have to be flying, flying high all the time. It's okay to be uh you know vulnerable.

SPEAKER_01 53:21

I'd say when it feels like you've got so much on or so much to do, or life is just overwhelming, just flip this, flip the screen onto yourself and focus on you, and then everything else ripples out. It really, really does. So if that means just fill fill start filling your cup up again, basically. Yeah and everything else will ricochet. But somebody that's at an all ten on all those will be pretty constipated. So I would be saying, start with start with regular.

SPEAKER_00 53:49

There's nothing that you can do today.

SPEAKER_03 53:50

I love it, I love it. Um, so we have we were like, we'll keep this to 45 minutes. We never do because speaking with women like you, it's just so interesting and so inspiring. But before we wrap up, going back to your Yuchi editor of Grazio Days, we had spoken on the prep call about if you had like top five products for the tired mum who's in a rush, what would they be? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 54:19

Do you remember the yeah? No, I do. I had them on my email. Okay, so what we're gonna talk about Viv Skin Nova will change your life.

unknown 54:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 54:27

I cannot even tell you how many tubes of that stuff I've been through. It's a primer, but I I think it's more than that. It's like a skincare primer hybrid that just makes your skin look glowy and rested when you're knackered, and then everything else goes better over the top. One. The NARS concealers, so the soft matte concealer and the creamy concealer for under-eye bags is sensational. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 54:56

And it doesn't get into the wrinkles, creases.

SPEAKER_00 54:58

Doesn't get into the creases, especially if you use the skin over underneath because you've got that hydration. You know, we were talking about actually before about like if you put foundation or concealer onto like a base that's not been prepped with skincare or something like that, things will sit and like get into your creases. So prep, even though if it's a faff, is actually well worth it.

SPEAKER_04 55:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 55:20

Um and the skin noble, I mean you just slap it on, it's super easy. So that was my second. Right. Um a shameless plug. I feel like I shouldn't because we've talked about it a lot already, but regular, obviously.

SPEAKER_03 55:32

Of course you have to say that.

SPEAKER_00 55:34

Yeah, of course. For well, it's got magnesium, better sleep, vitamin C for the energy. So I guess in terms of tired, even if you're not constipated, um, yeah, is uh is a game changer. Then I would say Saint Tropez Express bronzing mousse bronzing mousse. I used to be a fit hardcore fake tanner, but I used to do the overnight one. Yeah, fast, half to washy sheets, but I was like, it's worth it, it looks the best. This is just as good, and you can do you can do one, two, or three hours. I do three, so I'll be sat on my like work hauls, like just slowly going more bronzed. Um, but do that when you're at home on your laptop, then you'd feel good. And then I don't wear as much makeup, and then living proof dry shampoo is arguably the best dry shampoo in the world. And as I said before this, I hadn't washed my hair in a week, so there was a lot of dry shampoo in there, and that that was the one.

SPEAKER_03 56:28

Oh, these are amazing tips. Amazing tips. We will put them in the show notes. Yeah, and Jolie, honestly, thank you so so much. Um, you are doing a phenomenal job, and really the purpose of today was to show that there's no such thing as like doing it all all the time, but you can, as a mum, as a new mum, as an existing mum, if you have an idea or a dream, you can go for it. It's not always easy, it's not always hard, but there's always a community of people like yourself there to support, and it is possible. Things are possible. And like, and as you said, when you least expect it, over lunch, just one day it happened, and here you are, absolutely killing it. Um, and having another baby, and it's such amazing news. And I suppose for our listeners, please, the only way that we get to keep having amazing guests like Jolie on is if you are listening to this and you've enjoyed it, that you press the follow button, the subscribe button. We know we have X amount of listeners, but actually, only about 30% of people actually follow and subscribe, but it makes a huge difference for us on the production and to continue on. So do us a solid for the conversation. Do us a solid the poo puns could carry on all the day, couldn't they? Anyway, listen, thank you so so much, Bish.

SPEAKER_01 57:52

Anything you want to add? And just yeah, you're an inspiration, you know. Oh, thanks. Absolutely fantastic, and good luck with Baba.

SPEAKER_03 58:01

Um gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:02

I know, can't wait to see the news.

SPEAKER_03 58:04

Yeah, any poo questions our listeners have, let us know. Um I have here. Oh, maybe we might do a giveaway one day or something, Jolie. Yeah, let's do a giveaway. Yeah, that would be amazing, wouldn't it? We'll talk.

SPEAKER_00 58:16

Let's do it of this, and you can find us uh on Instagram as well. We are dot regular. Make sure you put the dot. But if anyone is out there who does feel like they can't find a community and want to chat, I I'm on the I'm Jolie at Jolie Gabrielle on Instagram, and I can chat all day about code, about business, about babies. So yeah, reach out to the city. Okay, we do know you.

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We are dot regular and Jolie. And I sorry, it is Gabriele on your Insta because I know you're talking about hearing your name. Yeah, Jolie Gabrielle, yeah. Oh, right, okay, perfect. All right, Jolie, thank you so much for the mother loading is proudly sponsored by the Body Club, more than just a gym and reformer studio.

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