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S1 EP1: Sensitivity as a doorway to spirit with Sabrina Golds

• Giada Gaslini • Season 1 • Episode 1

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In this episode, Sabrina shares her journey of walking between the physical, emotional, and spiritual worlds. From being told she had her "head in the clouds" as a child to experiencing profound spiritual awakening through grief and loss, Sabrina opens up about learning to trust her sensitivity in a world that didn't always understand it.

We explore why emotional sensitivity can be a gateway to spiritual connection, how to navigate awakening when your environment isn't ready, and why we need to move through pain to reach genuine freedom. Sabrina offers practical wisdom for emerging sensitives, from journaling practices to the importance of grounding before flying.

Whether you're just beginning to recognize your own sensitivity or you're deep in the journey of integration, this conversation offers honest insights about living between worlds - and finding your people along the way.

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Originally hailing from the vibrant city of Milan, I’ve spent the past two decades traversing the globe in a quest for spiritual and personal growth and combined with 25 years of international corporate work experience. From navigating the vast landscapes of Australia in a campervan to finding tranquility living in a Buddhist monastery in Nepal, my journey is nothing short of extraordinary. Along the way, I’ve delved deep into Buddhist teachings, yoga, and shamanism, becoming Shamanic Teacher,  Forest Therapy Guide, Esoteric Numerologist, Shamanic and Integral Yoga Teacher and Ikigai Coach. In 2013 I settled in Edinburgh, where  I founded the Art and Spirituality Centre, a social enterprise and the School of Shamanism, where I passionately help others on their own transformative journeys.

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CHAPTERS:

Introduction to Walking Between Worlds

They said I had my head in the clouds. They were right

You have nothing to fear from your own energy

The dark tunnel is the only way to the light

How to trust what you can't see

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SPEAKER_00:

I was always told, you know, I have my head in the clouds, I need to get into reality and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02:

Hello everyone, today we are starting a new series called Walking Between Walls: conversations with killers, teachers, and practitioners who live at the intersective ancient and modern spirit and matter, indigenous wisdom, and our contemporary busy lives, and also visible and invisible worlds. And as someone who works in the shamanic tradition, I'm always curious to see how different wisdom paths address the same human needs for healing and transformation. And I am Giada from School of Shamanism, and I have the pleasure today of being here with Sabrina Golze. Hi, thanks so much for accepting my invitation. My first question is: what worlds are you walking between? So tell us about a bit about your story and what are the worlds that you feel you are walking between.

SPEAKER_00:

Thanks, Giada. It's a privilege to be invited to speak on the podcast. So I'm Sabrina. At the moment, I am I've just moved direction in my business. And I am teaching Kundalini and mentoring for women who identify as sensitive. And for me at the moment, the word sensitivity kind of indicates sort of an openness and a depth that I believe that I always had access to when I was growing up. And it was an openness to the unexplained, an openness to subtlety, an openness to energies, a curiosity, a playfulness around, a playfulness and an imagination around life. And for me, I feel that I really suppressed this aspect of myself when I was growing up because I felt that it made me not fit in, it made me feel different. I didn't really have a space, safe space or safe container to express and experience and explore that. And especially when I started to go into school, you know, it was almost like the the this was sort of like fairy tales. And, you know, it was very much like I was always told, you know, I have my head in the clouds, I need to get into reality and stuff like that. But I always had a sense that, you know, who is somebody else to tell me what is reality? You know, and I always felt that I perceived reality and I perceive perceive things a little differently to a lot of people. Um, but I felt that my perception was not really accepted by a lot of people, so then I didn't accept it myself. And I feel that I um probably am at the moment walking between the world of the physical and the world of the spiritual, and I'm experiencing the emotional as almost pulling together between the two. Um I feel that the spirit walking the spiritual world, walking with the spiritual world, which for me means having communication with energies, frequencies, ancestors, um spirits who do not have a physical form. Um they may have previously had one or they may not, but for me, walking between having access to this world has helped me to exist in a physical world where I felt as if my emotions and my senses and my perceptions did not feel particularly welcome. Um so for me, I feel that um walking between the worlds, it allows me to access softer, more intuitive, and more subtle guidance that helps me to stay on a path and helps me to feel that I can trust and have faith in life. And the journey really has been how to be in one place, how to be in the other, and how to return. Because in the beginning of my uh journey where I first started to experience spiritual communication, I went through a phase where it really, really expanded very quickly. And I was finding it really, really hard to integrate and pull that back down into the physical world. So I think I spent quite a lot of time in the ether. And the challenge for me was how do I integrate and ground what I'm experiencing so that it helps me and it can help other people and it's not just an experience that separates me.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, exactly. And as as you said at the beginning, do you feel that there is a division? I will go back just like in the Harry Potter world in between sensitive and non-sensitive people. Are there two opposite worlds? How do they uh live together? Or how did you experience that you could or you couldn't live together in these two separate worlds?

SPEAKER_00:

So I feel uh I probably believe on a kind of deeper level there is not a difference between the sensitive and the non-sensitive, and I believe the capacities for sensitivity exist within everybody, and I would probably use the distinction as almost a talking device, if that makes sense, and an identification device and a belonging device, because for me, usually I'm not really one who is um particularly drawn to labels. I'm this type of person and I'm not that. I fit in this category and I don't fit into that. However, when I came across the the sort of description sensitive, it seemed to feel it seemed to feel like a homecoming to me, a homecoming and an understanding as something to describe how I perceive and how I experience the world that I know not everybody does. And I don't think that it's kind of, and I don't sometimes I believe that I think that everybody has the capacity to access sensitivity. Whereas I think for me it was almost a capacity that was just there always. It was always there from a young age. And it would be experienced for me through emotions, um feeling energies in the room, feeling atmospheres, feeling environments, feeling like I'm absorbing everything that's going on around me in a way and also feeling like, you know, experiences that maybe some people would appear to brush off or dismiss, I would feel they're very huge, sensitive to grief, sensitive to loss, sensitive to emotions, sadness, or these experience sensitive to joy as well, extremely sensitive to joy. It was almost as if I felt that the way my I experienced my emotions was magnified. Um and I think I found it too much in the beginning. Um and I felt that other people thought it was too much as well. So I tried to almost ignore the calling of uh my emotional world. So I would say that's that's another world that I feel I navigate and enter into is my personal emotional world. And I feel that, you know, I there's the kind of my existence in the material, my personal emotional world, and then my connection with the spiritual world. And it's kind of through through opening up to the experience of my emotional world, invited in the spirit, the spirit world for me was kind of how how my journey, how my journey went. It was almost as if I had experienced ancestors and other energies that felt good and loving and caring that were able to support me through my emotional world so that I could then ground in the physical world and have a positive impact on others in the physical world. So I think for me, I'm very interested in working with people who identify themselves as sensitive, but they have not really been given the space to explore that and express its potential. Because for me, the emotional sensitivity was almost a doorway for spiritual sensitivity.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, exactly. And and that's that's really a very, very important point in terms of lots of people nowadays in the material world that they still haven't had the opportunity, the conditions to realize and being aware of what's happening inside themselves. They are just choose to hide this element because they are living in a world, and maybe within families in which this kind of things are not understood, and before that even being supported, it's just a matter of understanding first and knowledge first. So, what piece of advice would you give to people that still are experiencing they're not maybe children anymore, or they kind of not remembering that if there were these gifts when they were a child, but they are grown-up people and they have started this inner inside awakening, but still the whole environment inside around themselves is not ready yet. And they are still there, and they don't feel ready yet to go and embark on a journey with the teacher because they uh have no clue about what's happening. So, what would be your best uh piece of advice as you have come from this background that would uh would be useful for a person in terms of not feeling the discourage of being overwhelmed with what's happening inside?

SPEAKER_00:

So, some advice that I received once that was incredibly useful for me was that I have nothing to fear around my own energy. So often um, you know, what I was experiencing was actually, you know, different and different types of different versions of me, my higher self, maybe a self that exists in a different dimension. And or or even the resurfacing of some kind of emotional memory or some kind of uh uncomfortable imprint or memory. And for me, it was really, really helpful to be reminded that everything that is of me is is safe because it's me. Um so I think it's it's what's one really important, and I think also for me to understand that no experience or energy will reach me that I will not be given support to deal with eventually. And I think for me, a lot was to do with I felt like I needed to figure it out. I really felt like I needed to analyse everything that I was experiencing because I'm quite an analytical person as well. My mind was jumping on the experience and I was jumping into stress-based thinking because I was experiencing something that I was that was foreign to me and it seemed foreign to a lot of people. Um so I would I would probably encourage as well discernment as to who you share your experiences with, because I have had experiences where I've tried to express what's been going on in my inner world to other people who've not had the same experience and not out of malice, but perhaps due to them never having had that experience, they would uh, you know, dismiss what I was going through and or dismiss, or I'd share things that I'd picked up on in the in the atmosphere, in the energy. And, you know, it would be say, oh, you're just imagining things, you're you're you're overanalysing, you're um, you're just jumping to conclusions. And I'm not saying that that that I'm immune to fear-based thinking, um, but I would be very, very careful with where you share your intuitive feelings, your intuitive nudges, and your spiritual experiences. And I would more encourage creating a journal where you write them down and write how they felt. Yeah, creating a journal where you write down the experience, how it felt for you, what is brought up, and if you can let it go and spend a lot of time in nature and around it, doesn't have to be people who are spiritually sensitive, but people who are open and encouraging of your own exploration and experiences.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, beautiful. And this is a beautiful uh uh advice for, let's say, beginners on the journey. Still, we are all beginners for any any spiritual journey, but just people that don't have the experience to deal with that. And then once you are at some point through the process in the way you are, in which you are teaching to people, sharing with people, how can you then in you're not hiding yourself anymore? So, how can you take that in a more uh aware, conscious way uh way, these uh this sensitivity into the modern world within the modern society? You are not hiding, you are just simply rewarding what you are experiencing and offering that to the people around you on a different level. So, how are you then in a more clever way, subtle way, able to integrate that in the modern world?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, so I think this is probably where I've sort of almost latched on to the word sensitivity. Because I think there's there's so many different kinds of sensitivity, and there's so many different ways in which people can experience their own sensitivity. And there are also, and I don't mean this in a hierarchy way, but there are different levels to which you want to delve into and explore and experience your own sensitivity. So I I try to sort of make myself approachable to people who experience um overwhelming emotion, for example, or people who experience a heightened belief that you know something bad is going to happen to them, or peep people who are afraid of rejection, people who feel things really deeply, people who feel things really big, and they've found that hard to uh to ground. Um how hard they they've struggled to experience life because of their overwhelming emotional capacity, and they have in some way, shape, or form tried to numb. Um and the the reason um as what I've seen so far is that most people try to numb is because they do not know how to cope with the depth of their feelings. Um and I think emotional sensitivity is something that it's it's a very human experience and it's also a very spiritual experience as well. So I for me, emotional sensitivity is almost a portal between the two worlds, um, emotions. I think emotion is the portal for me between the physical and the spiritual. When I couldn't handle my emotions because of their gravity, I tried to numb them so I could exist in this in the physical world. And then when I found access to the spiritual world, I enjoyed hanging out there a lot because um and I almost disassociated a little bit from the physical. So I feel that emotional regulation is a really good starting point. And then some I I often find that people who have struggled with um sensitivity and in an emotional sense, they may have felt other, they may have felt excluded. They're often likely to be the same people who pick up on subtle energies. And that is also an explanation perhaps for their sort of so-called kind of greater emotionality, because it's not just that they feel things really deeply, it's also they're picking up there's so much more information and stuff, stimulation coming to them that's not coming to other people. So part of the reason why their emotions are perhaps less uh steady than somebody who's not as sensitive or hasn't opened themselves up to that sensitivity is because of the information that they're receiving is is is confusing, is overwhelming, is sometimes difficult. So, and I often find that people who are intuitive and emotional are also quite creative as well. So I think um creativity is another way to ground the spiritual and the emotional into the physical because it expresses um through you what's been experienced. And so I will try to um begin with emotional regulation, creativity, and yoga practices as they're grounding. Because for me, I wish that I had been more grounded than I was when I started this journey, because for me it was almost like a backwards learning of how to ground after I'd sort of had my spiritual awakening. So I I I I'll I try to yeah, I try to approach people through the lens of craft, creativity, grounding, and emotional regulation and see from there if it wants to explore into something further without forcing or pushing it, because for some people that might be enough and that still sort of supported them.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, beautiful. And are you able to remember when you had your spiritual awakening? Because many times it's just uh a slow process that it happens. Sometimes there is a specific moment in which we realize and we are present that in that moment that is happening. Is it something specifically then also for what people experience from the kundalini? Is it something that you are able to identify within this uh a moment in space and time, or it just dissolved within and evolved within your own experience?

SPEAKER_00:

So I would say I can pinpoint two specific experiences where something dramatically opened up, if that makes sense. And then it was almost slow evolution and integration between them. So the first one was um when I just before my 27th birthday. Um so one of the ways that I um numbed the vastness of my emotions was through drugs and alcohol. Um and I I became clean and sober just before I turned 27. And as I I found myself in in a rehab center, and the the second or third day that I was in a rehab center, I was, I did some meditation, and in the meditation, I experienced the presence of my nonna, which is the Italian word for grandma, who I'd lost when I was 10, and I'd really, really, really struggled to integrate uh that loss and to grieve. Um I had almost shut myself down from faith, trust, love, and life at that point because it was just, I couldn't understand it. It was a lot for for for little 10-year-old me to comprehend that one minute she was there and the next she wasn't. Um, it was almost too much. So I kind of shut myself off from the depth of that pain. But it was in this moment that I experienced her presence. I experienced my grandda, my non-nos presence as well. And also the energy of a soft toy I'd lost when I was a really young girl. And it was almost as if it was a homecoming of part of what I thought I'd lost. And it was a really soft, loving, subtle energy. Um, you know, it was kind of I felt as if I was uh almost on this cloud of cushion that they were that they were supporting. So that was the very first time I'd had um ancestral uh communication and also the first time that I'd felt kind of alive to something, uh something that was not in the physical. And then So my spiritual awakening hugely accelerated in March this year, actually. Very strangely, my so so so my fr my a really, really close friend of mine died um March the 6th this year. Um and strangely enough, my grandma had died on March the 7th, and my friend had died after I'd performed a song that I'd written for my grandma the day on the March the 6th and that she'd come to watch, and she'd also performed as well. She was also a musician. Um and so that it felt that there's there's some significance between these like really important women passing for me and a spiritual awakening. And then after that, I a few days later I did an online uh breath work. Uh I did an online holotropic breath work, and I'd never done that before. It was actually quite an impulsive choice to do that. It wasn't something that I researched or thought through. I just had it come to me and I thought, you know, I wanted something to help me move through the grief because I was feeling quite disassociated. And from there, I just started to experience a huge opening of uh downloads, um, communications, clear audience visions and stuff like that. Um and uh actually, yeah, so that, but before that, it had almost been like a slow, steady build-up, doing some more energy work, opening up a little bit more kind of heart-centered visions and stuff coming into my meditation. But it was like a bang at that point this year, March, um to the point where I felt quite overwhelmed and disassociated. And what I've been doing since is using uh various different practices to ground, to ground, because also a lot had to be released in order for me to integrate the light and the visions and the newness that I was experiencing. So there were two specific moments of rapid acceleration with with lots of subtle stuff in the middle.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow, that's been a lot. Thank you really so much for for sharing your such a uh very personal experience on on a deep level. Uh really, really appreciate your opening because it's not something that necessarily everyone would share, especially to a large audience. And with reference to that, uh, why do you think that again in the division of or not of worlds? Uh, why do we need the grief? Why do we need a pain to reach happiness? Because many times what people think is uh I've not I'm I'm happy, stopping having the pain. So it's again two separate worlds. But the majority of the time we need to go through the pain in order to reach the happiness, which is still something that can't be grasped because it's ungraspable, it cannot be touched, it cannot be reached. It's still there, like the ultimate goal towards which we are going, even if then for lots of the spiritual people, of course, the the best descriptions would be that then the journeys are basically going inwards, and it's just uh the the way of reaching the ultimate level of emptiness is within ourselves, within the empty space or the nothingness, according to how the different traditions have translated that. So, why do you think that we need to go beyond the threshold and re and be in the pain in order to reach happiness or liberation from the circle of the samsara?

SPEAKER_00:

So I really, really do believe that we need to we we need to experience what's left, what's within us, because I feel that if we uh so kind of I'm also really interested in in trauma and nervous system regulation and stuff like that. And um, you know, based on a lot of the more recent research on trauma, there's a lot of understanding about how it's stored within the body. It's stored within the cells, it's stored within the fascia, it's stored within the nervous system, and it's also stored in the, I guess, more spiritual understanding, it's stored in the energetic body around us. So if we don't allow ourselves to experience what is stored within our bodies, its effect will be it will be impeding our happiness in ways that we can't perceive and ways that we don't see in ways that we don't understand. Um so, so so one thing I've experienced on my journey is involuntary uh tremors and shakes where I have uh and how I've understood these experiences is that I've been shaking off, I've been shaking off the trauma, and you know, my body has completed survival loops that it couldn't complete in stressful situations at the time because it wasn't safe to do so. So I've had to uh surrender in a way that it's almost as if my body has had to surrender in order for my soul to move, if that makes sense. And my body would not have been able to do that, carrying all the heaviness and the density that I have picked up throughout life. So for me, in order, it's almost like a completion, a process of completion where what's stored within the scars, within the body, the emotional scars, within the energy scars, they must be witnessed. They have to be sort of shored up, witnessed, expressed, and released. And on the other side is light. It's almost like you're kind of walking, you walking through a dark tunnel, and you, you know, you could you kind of perceive the little cracks of light, but the tunnel is the only way to the light. And you kind of get the little glimpses along the way. And each time you release something, you experience more and more freedom. And I don't think you've ever released everything, but you do reach a point where the releases are smaller, more subtle, and it's almost like little reminders of what was. And yeah, I think I think that when that's that's for me, it's almost a you can't shortcut your way to happiness by not experiencing the grief and the pain. I also feel that we have loss and you know, grief and loss without it. Um what would be the motivation to appreciate and cherish people? Um, you know, if if we if we lived this way forever and everything was permanent on this world, if you know nobody died and we just kind of existed in the 3D form in the material world forever. Um and or if we didn't, but we had no emotions attached to loss, why would we bother trying to express our love to everybody? Um, why would we bother trying to be the best sort of, I don't know, daughter, uh mother, carer, friend, partner that we can be if we always just had tomorrow to to kind of try again? It would be, I believe, quite a quite it would be a totally different world without without loss. Because I do believe the concept of gratitude and appreciation is a direct product of the fact that everything's ephemeral and we might not have something tomorrow that we have today. And I think for me, loss it, you know, I I lost an important relationship about nearly two years ago. And, you know, my my deepest regret was that I hadn't expressed enough appreciation for the person while while we were in that relationship. And it's and and it was through that loss that I was able to understand the importance and the urgency of showing appreciation to those who I love who, of course, will not be there forever as much as I would.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, exactly, exactly. And we wouldn't never want to be, of course, in a life that would be it would just be say boring. And then we will still complain about something, while instead we have given the we have given the we've been given the opportunity to embellish these cars, uh, like in the art of Kintsugi, and just add this bold element, because definitely without the crack, uh the pottery in itself, but also symbolically on an emotional level, wouldn't be wouldn't be the same, wouldn't have the same value to show, and exactly honoring uh this wound and this car uh as uh as an award, as a trophy that we need to show, and being proud of that, which means we have lived, we have gone through life and we have experienced something. Because we haven't um denied to uh to be in the emotions, to be within the process. And with reference to that, for those people that feel that they are living and define themselves or have been said that they are cold with no emotion, so they are not sensitive, and they would really want to become sensitive. What could some practices be for them to be able to open up to the world of sensitivity and allow themselves to be vulnerable first, and then of course to express their emotions, and then at some point maybe to connect and feeling the emotions of others?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that's a really, really good question, actually. Because um, so being honest, in my personal life, I've really, really struggled uh with with people like this. And I think I went through a phase where I almost, you know, I felt so triggered by people who were like this that I felt, you know, it was almost as if like I would feel, you know, I because I can perceive energies and feel them so greatly, it's like I would feel, feel, feel the harshness and I would be almost repelled by it. And I think so. One thing that for me has been really um humbling has been to realize that actually sometimes these harsh defenses that I uh come up against in people are actually the result of um a sensitivity that for some reason has required protection against. Um so, you know, I think for me, I think in the beginning, it's probably important to respect whatever the emotional barriers are and maybe approach them with curiosity, you know, trying to kind of understand, you know, because where some people they might spend their lives in a experiencing frustration quite a lot, impatience, um, anger, as opposed to kind of immense sadness or hurt. Um and I think that often the people who are in frustration and anger quite a lot, there's quite a lot of hurt buried beneath the frustration and anger. So I think it's kind of for me, a little bit of curiosity, you know, why does why am I so affected by why am I frustrated? I'm frustrated. What's frustrating me? And kind of labeling your emotions, I'm frustrated, I'm angry, and approaching them with gentleness and curiosity. And I think showing love, I think it starts from the self. So I think it starts from kind of embracing, embracing yourself in all your forms. So, you know, when you're feeling if you're feeling like anger, frustration, shutdown, all these things, welcoming and loving that part of yourself first in order for it to soften. So then you will more likely soften to that in other people once you've softened it to yourself. And I think for me, spending some time on in your solitude, in nature, um, walking, kind of being with calming, being with air, being with water, being with elements, being with calming energies, carving out time and space, not being so busy. I think, you know, in this culture, we're we're always busy, we're always running from one thing to the next. And because of that, it's it's easy for us to unconsciously fall into emotional avoidance through productivity, busyness, plans and stuff. So I think a little space from them and a little curiosity about yourself and a little compassion and and and embracing of the more harsh or the less open parts, so that it's kind of like you have to accept something before you allow it space to move. Um, that's how it is for me, anyway. I have to accept something in the form that maybe I don't like it to then start to allow it to shift and move.

SPEAKER_02:

Beautiful, beautiful. Thank you. Thank you so much. And I would just uh close on uh with a question now for the people that are watching or listening to us. How can people, probably the uh very high majority of people living in the visible world, how can they trust the invisible world? Because it's something that can be seen and can only be perceived. But if they don't have the perception, the opening up to the sensitivity, how can they trust and even admit that the invisible world exists?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I think that's a really really I think that's a really really really good question because even for me as somebody who has always been incredibly sensitive, trusting what I was seeing was really, really, really difficult. And I think it was because I was always looking for external validation of what I was seeing. So it was almost about trusting myself. It was really connected to trusting, it kind of really connected to stuff in the material world around trusting myself, trusting my gut, trusting my body, trusting that, you know, I'm gonna make my own choices, regardless of whether or not they're agreed to or approved of by other people, and also regardless of whether the consequences turn out to be quite negative for me, because I made the choice. So I think the more we can trust ourselves on in kind of small scale wells ways, even things like what am I going to wear today? And you know, I l I spend my day quite intuitively, apart from when I have appointments and clients, um, rather than like, you know, this day is for this work and this day is for that work. It's kind of what wants to express itself through me. So I think starting to trust myself in like these small ways, my hunches, my desires, it it helps me to sort of then trust my perception. So I think for me it's really like just kind of the idea that the answers do lie within. Going within can expand you to the invisible in a way that looking outside of yourself will always shut you off from.

SPEAKER_02:

Wonderful, wonderful. Thank you so much. And so if people would love to work with you, where can they find you?

SPEAKER_00:

And what can they contact you for? Awesome. Um, so good question. So my so I have two Instagrams, and the first one is at the soul doctress, and so that's soul and then doctor but female version doctress. So that is a special business that I have set up for um sensitive women or women who identify as sensitive or who are open to sensitivity. Um and at the moment I'm offering one-to-one mentoring for sensitive women, which will take you through a process of kind of opening up to accepting and embracing your sensitivity through a combination of Kundalini yoga, which is a yoga of awakening and a yoga of awareness. So it will kind of allow things to surface and it will allow opening and it will also um it will also allow the nervous system to activate to move things that are stuck, and it will be in a safe, supported, held environment and with creative activities and creative expression as ways to begin expressing and releasing what's sensed and felt and um allowing your allowing what's within to be expressed in the outer world. Um so that's one-to-one mentoring through kind of embracing your sensitivity. I'm also going to be setting up online group, online groups. So that'll be kind of the same sort of thing, but expressed in a group context. We'll explore different ways to deal with sensitivity, different ways to express it. And the idea will be to create a sense of community and belonging so that because I often notice that sensitive women feel they don't always belong or they don't always fit in, and that they struggle to find environments where their emotional expression um can be understood and received. So that'll be kind of the main purpose of that, alongside shared activities, friendship, connection, and also some in-person sessions, in-person classes in Glasgow are um in the making. And then I'm my other Instagram is at grounded.butterflies, and that is mentoring for sensitive and neurodivergent teenagers to help them to sort of begin to understand, accept, and embrace themselves without feeling as if they've got to mask, conform, uh, fit in, change, and suppress themselves in order to feel like they belong. So, yeah, both of these Instagrams, um, if you'd like to hear more.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, it's wonderful. Well, just add all the details below so that people can can reach and reach you and start maybe new or continue their personal journey with uh with a new perspective, with all your knowledge, your personal experience that you are taking into that, which is always the best way to help others coming from something that you have experienced firsthand and that you haven't learned on books or in court on courses, but just that has been my experience sharing with you what I did, which might not be the one that the elements and the things that you are going to do, but I'm coming from a place of power in knowing the elements that I know exactly what you you are suffering, what you went through. Because I've been where you are right now. Exactly. Beautiful, beautiful. Thanks so much. It's been a really fabulous um time of conversation with all with all your beautiful property of language and in expressing all the things that are inside your heart and and inside your soul. So thank you so much for for being here. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00:

It's been a great, it's been a great privilege. Thanks for hosting me. Thank you, thank you so much.