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S1 EP3: Letting go, leaping forward with Rachael Hill

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In this episode, Rachael opens up about the raw, messy, and unexpectedly beautiful experience of standing between two versions of herself, the one who spent a decade working as a registered mental health nurse, and the one who woke up one morning and quietly knew she had to walk away. From the moment she phoned the NMC to lapse her registration to the waves of relief (and panic) that followed, she shares the inner shifts that pushed her from burnout and self-denial into a life that finally feels aligned.

We dive into what it really means to leave an identity behind, why so many of us cling to careers long past their expiry date, and how courage tends to arrive disguised as chaos. Rachael speaks candidly about the grief of walking away from a role she loved, the tenderness of meeting her true self for the first time, and the strange, shimmering space that opens up when you haven’t got a clue who you’re becoming yet.

Together we explore the delicate balance of living between worlds: the material and the spiritual, the logical and the intuitive, the woman she was and the woman she’s growing into. We unravel the fear of uncertainty, the impatience that so many of us carry, and the way self-inquiry can slowly soften the parts of us that are terrified of change. Rachael also talks about bringing heart into corporate wellbeing, working with vibration through chanting, and why self-kindness is often the thing that moves us from one world into the next.

If you’re in a transition yourself, fed up with the old but not quite ready to claim the new, this conversation is a gentle nudge to trust your timing, keep the faith, and let yourself be in progress.

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About the Host

Originally hailing from the vibrant city of Milan, I’ve spent the past two decades traversing the globe in a quest for spiritual and personal growth and combined with 25 years of international corporate work experience. From navigating the vast landscapes of Australia in a campervan to finding tranquility living in a Buddhist monastery in Nepal, my journey is nothing short of extraordinary. Along the way, I’ve delved deep into Buddhist teachings, yoga, and shamanism, becoming Shamanic Teacher,  Forest Therapy Guide, Esoteric Numerologist, Shamanic and Integral Yoga Teacher and Ikigai Coach. In 2013 I settled in Edinburgh, where  I founded the Art and Spirituality Centre, a social enterprise and the School of Shamanism, where I passionately help others on their own transformative journeys.

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CHAPTERS:

Welcome Rachael Hill from Electric Glory

The courage to leave an old career behind

Balancing the Old and the New

Courage in the In-Between

Where to find Rachael

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Rachael

Work on your faith and trust and strengthen your relationship with yourself. And then when you're true to yourself, everything happens.

2) The courage to leave an old career behind

Giada

Today I'm here with uh, Rachael Hill. Thanks so much for accepting my invitation. We actually met the first time in as a client perspective. Yes. Was it 2023? 2023, exactly. We met as a as a first with my shamanic hat, and then our um relationship evolved into a business relationship. She's now involved in running activities at the Art and Spirituality Center with her business Electric Glory. We are cooperating together in Zen Corporate, Corporate Well-being branch of Art Spirituality. So welcome, Rachael, here today. Thank you for inviting me. Thank you. Thank you so much. So we are just digging into uh the first definition of our topic of our series, uh walking in between walls. What are the two worlds, or maybe more than one that you are walking in between?

Rachael

Well, I suppose, you know, we were just discussing before, weren't we, that I'm going through a period of transition. And I think I'm just learning what the what the two worlds are, you know. I've been used, I was actually, as you know, a nurse, uh registered mental health nurse for 10 years. And I decided to three months ago put an end to that, put an end to that because I wanted to look at, you know, I've been focusing on my health. And for me, that just kind of had to go with it, you know, in terms of you know, the long hours, I did that for high stress, stuff like that. And now I'm kind of venturing into a world where I'm able to support other people who are experiencing that. So now you're very fresh and relaxed. Nope. I'll tell you what though, when I rang the NMC, you know, it was quite sporadic, if you like. I always knew I was kind of going to leave at some point. But when I rang the NMC, I literally said, can you lapse my registration, please? I couldn't quite believe I was doing it. You know, I always kind of envisioned that for five years' time, ten years' time. But I knew if I didn't do something drastic, what would I have done? Just stayed doing it for the universe would have done it for you. Yes. Yeah. Which is exactly what happened to me. Yeah, I got up one morning and I just thought, you need to do something a bit drastic here. And I rang and I said, Can you lapse my registration? And as soon as I come off the phone, I felt in my body and heart and soul just you know, and that's not to make the career bad. My goodness, it was great, you know, and it's such a privilege to meet people where they're at, you know, and and and what a privilege to be able to support them through some of the worst times in their life, you know. But I suppose I could see, and I think my you know, self-inquiry really started probably about four years ago, and you were involved in that. That's uh I wasn't actually living I wasn't actually living in Edinburgh at the time. And I was doing my research online, and I was coming up here with a friend, and we came to see Giada, and that really kind of helped me with the self-inquiry as well. So, where am I going with this? Yes, I can see the nursing was a pattern, an old pattern that I'd grown out of as well, which was quite remarkable. And what a privilege to be able to see our patterns, you know, and I think we recognize our patterns in walking between worlds, do we not? Yeah, except and having the courage to do that, yes, which is essential.

Giada

And lots of people live their life without joining and facing that moment that they dream about their own life, but then there is never the courage because I'm too old, I'm too not too young, too young. Probably will be an encouragement. But I'm too old, I've got my mortgage to pay, my bills, my family. So, okay, it's fine, I'll apply next time, next life. Just always postponing. And so, what is the new world that you have joined? Well, exactly, Jordan. I don't know. What are you in progress? Just stay tuned. In six months' time, there will be another episode.

Rachael

There'll have to be. No, um, I think during a period of venturing into the other world, if you like, who am I? You know, what am I? I you know, when exploring your identity, I think I'm just going gentle. I know that in terms of my professional life, perhaps that's being now blended with my personal life in a way. And by that I mean when I was a nurse, it was going into a role, masking up, you know. Now it's blending who am I, what am I, and how can I serve people as me, you know, as Rachael. And so and at the minute that certainly looks like and is supporting people within the work environment through specialist assessments, workplace training. You know, I do that via Electric Glory and as in corporate, which is wonderful. And to me, it feels very new. What feels very new about it, because obviously I'm familiar, very familiar with supporting people and empowering people, but what I'm not so familiar with, I suppose, and what I'm exploring, which is what I'm adding to business, is kind of bringing heart into into business, you know, love. Because actually I've I've just been learning about love, probably started learning about love at the age of 34. I'm six. Uh not six, I'm 30. I feel sick sometimes. But you know, and and through that I can learn, but I can also help others understand that. And what do I mean by love at work? Which sounds bizarre, maybe when I say it out loud. How often do you hear people say talking about love at work in corporate environments?

Giada

No, not at all. But I do merge my uh love for what I do, the passion that is behind, and it's very visible, it's very tangible, that I love what I do in all the different, let's say, forms uh and flavors that I have decided to take it into. Um, so taking on this exactly this conversation, yes, two questions. How can we, or how would you feel encouraging people when they are unsure, when they doubt going beyond the threshold and joining the new world? Even if, as you yourself expressed and said, you are not sure about what this new world is taking and also the definition of that. What would you recommend? Uh, what would be your advice to people when they are in that phase of fed up with what I'm doing? And I would love to make a change.

Rachael

To work on their faith and trust that actually, um, and I can't believe I'm saying this a few years ago, I would have been like, what a lot of rubbish. And that's the truth. You probably know that. Um, to work on your faith and trust and strengthen your relationship with yourself, and then when you're true to yourself, everything happens, everything happens when you've got the courage. Because I think our logical mind takes over, doesn't it? And and you know, we do have to have some logic logic in life, don't we? It'd be great if we didn't need it, but you know, I need to pay the bills, I've got you know, responsibilities, but actually how empowering it feels to to do something that is true to yourself impacts your external world. So actually, you know, if you've got family, uh colleagues, whatever friends, you'll probably be a better family member, colleague, friend to them because you're living as your true self and you're honouring yourself and strengthening the relationship with yourself. So I would say, yes, okay, it takes a lot of bravery and courage, doesn't it? And it's not easy, it's not easy, my God. But it's not easy, but it works out.

Giada

Yeah, absolutely. And and where is where you have uh definitely the love for yourself that you mention because you are connecting with what your heart is saying, yeah, and sharing that with others, and I guess that's what I was getting at before.

Rachael

It's an opportunity for me to practice what I've learned and continue to learn, but also I will continue to learn through expressing that love through work, and that's not that's not to say a nurse and I didn't care people, you know, and um, but I have a different expression now. And I think if I can apply, I certainly associate compassion with love. And that's that's kind of what drives me now. Um when I'm working with people through, so say I do specialist mental health assessments for people within the workplace and we explore how they navigate. You know, of course, we have policies and we've got to be corporate about things, but actually empowering people to care about themselves. And also I work with the managers and the team members and educate them about how they can put some care into the and thought and love into the into their work, you know, and therefore environments that's when environments start to change, people start change, environments start change, but also you see the results in your business return.

Giada

Yeah, yeah, of course. And there is, of course, we we need to have patience for to see the results because sometimes it's take the divine time, which is normally long. And also in terms of when you are changing, uh the people around you are changing as well, which means you get new people on, and those that were always with you before are confused because they identify themselves with you in front. The you in front is changing, so you are not mirroring them back anymore. So, how would what would you say to people, how to deal with the relationship when they want to change, when you want to change, and how do you would you um advise people to to do what to do, how to behave with the friends, uh the relatives, the environment around, which are seeing this wheel turning. Wheel turning, like I mean the Christmas wheel.

Rachael

I've been talking about the Christmas wheel at George, I just want to go at it all the time. I actually nearly sang Tina Turner song there, but I won't just remind me. I'm not singing. Right. So yeah, I look, we know when we change internally, our external environment changes quite drastically often, you know, um, particularly if it's like a rapid expansion. And when you're kinder to yourself, your boundaries shift and change, don't they? So therefore they will with your family and friends, and sometimes that means some even unintentional goodbyes, you know. I feel the universe gives you that opportunity to see who people are, to see who they are in your life, to challenge you to see what well, actually, who do I want around here? Who am I? And it's hard. I mean, certainly personally, it's been very hard, a lot of goodbyes, but actually they were necessary, absolutely necessary, because if I hadn't have said goodbyes, other I wouldn't be here where I am today. And if we were to talk about a vibration, people have you know auras and vibrations, don't they? And that impacts us. And of course, we can protect ourselves, but actually, I think continually putting yourself in an environment that doesn't serve you anymore, or people around people that don't serve you anymore, has an impact on your even your vibration and therefore your expansion, and particularly with manifesting, in my opinion, anyway, and and I'm speaking from experience, but also I suppose doing a lot of reading on it over the years. So I would just be kind to yourself, consider your needs first, and actually the people who watch you change and and still care for you, they'll still be there.

Giada

Yeah, 100%.

Rachael

And they won't be jealous, you know, they won't be judging, or maybe you know, we judge it's a natural human response. So maybe they will judge, maybe they'll ch they'll feel challenged by it, but actually, whoever's meant to stay will stay.

3) Balancing the Old and the New

Giada

Yes, 100%, of course. And now that you are mentioning the term vibration, what's the new role of spirituality in the new you that you are creating?

Rachael

Don't know, Giada.

Giada

Fine, otherwise you would be God with all the answers. Good that you don't know.

Rachael

What you saying, what's the role of vibration within my my new work?

Giada

I of spirituality now, the new role of spirituality compared to when you were being in the other side of the walls.

Rachael

On the dark side, yeah. Um, oh that's a good question. I'm curious about I suppose I am ensuring my vibe, um, I'm exploring my vibration and what I've learned. So, for example, the chanting, you'll know all about chanting and that rhythmic repetition, the power of that. I think sometimes we can make it religious, sometimes it is, but I do it personally um to try and raise my vibration. And I think when I have vibrations raised, yes, there's many benefits of that, but actually I just do it because I want to be the best person I can be, you know, and the most caring person I can be, and the most loving person I can be, and that helps me get out of here as well, which can sometimes be not very good, you know, and in here. So I suppose it begins with me, is what I'm saying, and I'm exploring, um, but I do love to chant, and I'm actually when there is research around chanting and trauma, and if you've got a history of trauma, so I'm I'm actually working with clients around chanting at the minute, so supporting I guess I'm through that I'm supporting clients with their vibration, and then hopefully within that, they'll see the power of working with your vibration, and you know, of course, I'm exploring mediumship, and which is which is really interesting, very extreme because obviously I was a psychiatric nurse for many years, and of course, there is psychosis, there's and perceptual abnormalities, stuff like that, these other words I don't deny them, yeah. But I I do believe in a in an unseen world, and I do believe some people have access to that through raising your vibration. So who knows? Who knows where that'll lead? But I've had the courage to explore that because I've always had those experiences since being a young child that I've never spoken about. I mean, why would I? Why why would I? You know, why would you I didn't feel comfortable to express myself when I was young for various reasons. And then I suppose what I did is went to nurse and oh and shut down and for various reasons, completely shut down, still having these experiences, but just denied them. And now I'm in a position where I can explore them.

Giada

So yeah, I mean, lots of people, uh myself as well, I would have not. I mean, growing up in a in a Catholic environment uh quite strict in a judgmental city where it's all about money. Why would you say that you are having weird experiences in general? They would uh throw the doctor exactly you were the band. Uh so sometimes you just keep them for yourself. You don't even you don't even have the wisdom to say, well, at some point in life I'll share them. No, you don't know. You you don't say them then they because and then it becomes a problem because you just set them down exactly, and so there is an and that they're not expressed, and then it's just like all of a sudden at some point in life they they bloom, they you have the opportunity to express them and also let them become your uh main activity, your main job, your main career, your main uh sole purpose, which is amazing, which is amazing. But we know that sometimes people don't arrive to this phase, they just uh keep them there inside themselves, keep them quiet, and they consider that it has like their life has been a failure because they are not happy where they are and they couldn't really express themselves for what they would have wanted to do, which is probably the highest percentage of people nowadays, even if there is an awakening. We are definitely, I mean, at the end of the end of the Kali Yuga is between 2025 and 2020, where there is the big awakening coming. So it's basically the end of that time of disruption, uncertainty, words, unbalances. Of course, it's very optimistic to think that they're going to end in 2032. They also, there was also been speaking about uh communicating in a telepathic way by that that age, by that time. Of course, it was said uh many, many, many years ago. And we think, well, it's only seven years. So how is it possible that so many things are going to change so quickly? And the communication level is going to change so quickly. Well, miracles are possible in a positive way, and also mean things when things, I mean, also what happened with the pandemic in a very quick way, everything changed literally from from a few weeks to the other one. So we also have to think positive things can change in uh in uh in one night, in one go for uh for sure. So now that you are in this place in which there are more things coming on, and you said at the beginning there is this identity crisis big one, a big one. How do you feel that you are true to yourself when you don't know this yourself, what what this yourself is? Exactly.

Rachael

Who am I? What do I want? So I I know that I've been true to myself by letting go of anything that makes me feel uncomfortable. So I you know, to some degree, I have an understanding of where I'm at, what I want, who I am. I where am I at with it? How do I know myself? I take time to get to know myself. I think sitting with yourself, and by that I mean sitting with no distractions. What does it mean sitting with you? Sitting in the pause, it might be just taking some time in the house with some incense on some nice music, although that can be a distraction, so I try to limit that, which is challenging. And just not consciously purposely using the time to think of something, just what's gonna come in, what thoughts are gonna come in. But actually to take that time to get to know yourself um is paramount, I think, and that's where I'm at at the minute. And I'm a very impatient woman, you know. Have you noticed? No, I'm an incredibly can be a demanding, impatient woman, you know. And I'm aware of that, and I'm I'm quite I can feel that within me at the minute because I'm like, Well, who am I? What am I what am I doing? I need to do something because I've been in this drive my whole life, which I think is part of my personality, you know, there's a real drive to me. I need to do this, I need to do that, what am I doing? It's like I clutch onto things. Um, and that does that's not a bad thing. That you know, I've I've clutched on to many things and and they've been great. I've grabbed for things, and I feel like I am being given what I need and not what I want at the moment, which is what you want. I want to go on the Christmas wheel. Watch the space again.

Giada

But this element of the impatience is something that I keep seeing more and more and more with all the uh especially when people uh attend my events, my workshops, and I guide them through something like close your eyes, and then I'm guiding you through something that could be a visualization, meditations, uh, pre-preparation of the shamanic journey. And I see very much how much there is this impatience in people. Lots of people open, need to open their eyes, need to see. They are turning like uh like a stick on a grill, they are uh not quiet, like lying down, they constantly move, and you tell it like a stick on a grill. There is this uh element of real impatience, and of course, connected with anxiety, which is the main uh the main issue that that we have nowadays, and this inability with all the um elements that we are in contact with, uh we are so much bombarded by fast elements of interaction with people, with businesses, with social media, everything is so quick and fast that this time, this time of quietness can be very, very challenging sometimes to get. And I I mean I understand that. I mean, I'm I managed in between the crazy lies to get these poses, these poses, these blank moments of also in between the tasks sometimes, just taking a breath in between the task before moving to another one, and that just created the separation between the two worlds. But it's more and more and more difficult for people to live in this state of balance.

Rachael

Yeah. What is balance? You know, we all have different versions of balance, and I think that changes as you grow in change. And I think, you know, for me in particular, excuses. I've come, I've come to understand my excuses. I mean, that's not to say astrology doesn't exist, but I'm like, oh well, I'm an Aries, so I'm impatient. Permission granted. Permission granted. But you know, it's exploring those different areas, but also going, well, actually, like you've just mentioned, where's this impatience coming from? Anxiety. Yes, that's just confession, irritable restlessness, discontentness, um, not being able to manage uncertainty, you know, and that's you know, that's okay. We are the way we are for a reason, aren't we? But it's just not criticizing yourself, but maybe being curious about yourself that will help you, I think, understand. I'm hoping, and that's that's what I'm practicing at the minute. I'm hoping and hoping that that will unravel um who I am and where what is meant, you know, and and and stopping myself from getting in the way of that by being impatient, you know, demanding and also I'm a human being, it's okay. It's okay to be, you know.

4) Courage in the In-Between

Giada

Yes, of course. And so do you think that now that you are um in between these two walls, the real balance is leaving in between the two walls, or at some point you need basically to jump 100% into the second one?

Rachael

Well, when you said that there jump, isn't it? Jump.

Giada

You have already jumped, but you're still with your legs across. Am I because you are uh having these uh these crises with because there are elements in you that are still behaving and acting like the old Rachael, like you are you are repeating what you were doing before in your work, you are still having this element in your ones. Of course, you do that in a new way, with a with a new with a renewed way of in being in contact with people, but you are still, I mean, you haven't changed entirely career. I don't know, you have become a plumber, let's say plumber, let's say it's still connected, you know, because it's a transition. So do you see, do you feel that the balance is really being like in like I would say in a like the three pose in yoga in between these two, or at some point you would feel that the balance would be 100% in the new dimension?

Rachael

I hope that the balance would be 100%. I think it takes more courage than I've got to be able to do that. Um I'm quite materialistic, and I see in my mind, I see it's coming away from that, and I'm a bit like but I do like nice things as well. So I will justify justify it by that. I like nice things, and I think that's a big barrier for me at the minute. So for me, for whatever reason, Giada, jumping, you know, the whole other way in another dimension, if you like, you know, is something that I associate with my life completely changing. And not having the things that I'm very connected to. And that's scary. That's scary to me, that's scary. But maybe it's not as you know, we tell ourselves stories about outcomes. So what will this look like if I jump? And actually, when I look back, we're human beings will compare, won't we? When I look back, every time I've jumped, it's been beyond anything I could ever have imagined. So when I tell myself stories in here, it's not what actually happens, but the there's this stuff coming up being stirred up in me of thinking, oh well, you know, if I go and do this and go and live there, what sort of life will I have? Well, I won't be, I won't have this, I won't just telling myself stories. So yes, I would hope that I would get the courage to jump. But also what is that? You know, what what what is that for me personally? What would that be too? Because I think it's different for us all when we um take a jump into the another realm, if you like, or living um living true to yourself and exploring other worlds. And I think I think I'm quite over this bit, but there's there's a lot of stigma. You know, there's a lot of stigma when you explore what the majority of the population seem to to deem as absolutely crazy. Don't you think? Yeah. Shall we shall we chant together? Chant. You said you love chanting. No, I don't think we should do that. I'm not prepared for that. No. No.

Giada

Yeah, that that would be another jump to chant in front of the audience.

Rachael

Well, what chant with people by the way? So about removing obstacles generally, because I'm not I'm not trained in it, I'm not a professional in it, if you like. No, yeah, but what exactly what what what mantras? Um gana patya nama. Okay, so both Buddhist ones, yeah. Yeah, and it's it's devotion, isn't it? But also the the different ones have different properties, if you like. It sounds a bit clinical, doesn't it? Um and meeting people where they're at, and generally the people I work with tend to have obstacles or barriers towards, you know, well-being or feeling good about themselves or trusting. Yeah, so we go for that. And also I think there's a bit of playfulness in it, you know. Um it can be sometimes there's barriers towards doing it because people feel a bit silly, you know. And people, it's the unknown, people can associate it with religion, and it can be, can't it? But it it's certainly not in the way I do it.

Giada

Um so yeah, it's also because in the majority of the time all the Buddhist mantras, uh mantras uh which are, I mean comes from the Sanskrit, actually don't mean anything. They are pure vibration, even if then they have been translated, of course, with meaning. It depends, of course, how you practice this. I mean, when I was seriously Buddhist, I um was practicing them for the meaning of, like, for example, uh, I mean, you had to work on something specifically, um, they were inside the purification, they were they were inside the, I don't know, I mean, a retreat that you were doing, so they had a meaning. But nowadays, if I chant the mantras are inside shamanic rituals, uh, they have given them a totally different meaning, which uh which is connected still of doing the healing work, a spiritual work, but without the definition of the origin where they come from, because I do strongly believe that all the traditions can mix up together. It's just like all a big team up there in the universe. So without you, need the need of identifying yourself in one school or in the other one.

Rachael

Yeah, and I think that's quite empowering, and I think it's a loving way to look at it in a sense of we take different things from different schools of thought, if you like, beliefs. Why not? You know, so although I'm going, oh I'm not a professional in it, but actually I have personal experience about it, and I've explored it with other people from a young age, actually. You know, I remember I was about 21. Yeah, I would have been around about 21, and my partner at the time's mum, I had a pain in my neck, and she had a shamanic practitioner in the house, and she went, Oh, do you want her to sing into it? And I remember thinking, No, I absolutely do not, that's ridiculous. That's just ridiculous. But I said, Yeah, go on then. Um, and and you know, she sang into it, and that vibration has the power to heal all sorts. Yeah, and I suppose my curiosity opened up a bit, but I was still very I suppose in fear and judgmental about it. But I think that just comes from a place of fear. Absolutely.

Giada

We have we've all been in that place, unless, of course, you have been already really lucky to be born like in Mini Bodhisattva. Absolutely, and having been uh in an environment of friends and family supporting that, but it's normally it's really it's really something quite rare nowadays. And so, I mean, as the last things, what would be if someone that is uh listening or watching is actually in this position? What is the first step that they need to do?

Rachael

Just be gentle, be gentle with yourself, and and what I've found is that just be playful with it and try not to take yourself so seriously because we take ourselves very seriously in one of the worlds, don't we? Too seriously, and I think we certainly invoke that and embody that and just trying to detach from that. I think playfulness about it can break down barriers towards the other world. Does that make sense? Playfulness, not taking yourself so seriously, and just really strengthening your relationship with yourself and faith, keeping the faith. I mean, whatever whatever form that takes, it can be just you know, talking to yourself gently, doing new things that are compassion-based. You know, I know there's a lot on here, isn't there? Sorry, we're sitting in the art spirituality in Edinburgh, you know, there's there's a lot on here in terms of free events that are compassion-based, meditations, breath work, sound baths. Just exploring things that will probably support you at this time. And sometimes I would say just keep it in the day, a day at a time, because our minds tend to go, oh my god, oh my god, what's happening? What's happening tomorrow?

Giada

Going back and uh repeating the same things over over 90% of our source thoughts are repetitive, so we're really boring beings. Keep uh thinking, okay, I met Rachael this morning, so she said this, she said that, and we go back into the same loop, or we are projecting and planning for what still has to come. We are rarely in the present moment.

5) Where to find Rachael

Rachael

Yeah, yeah. So just get curious about being in the present and keeping the faith, I would say.

Giada

Wonderful. And where can people find you if they want to connect with you on social media website?

Rachael

Can find me on Instagram and Facebook, Electric Glory Wellbeing, and also www.electricglorywellbeing.com. Wonderful. And also zencorporate.com.

Giada

Oh, yes, thank you for getting it. What's the next time? Just we've we are doing another recording for that. Thank you. Thank you so much, Rachael. It's been a beautiful journey and pleasure to see our uh relationship evolving from one side to the other one. So it's really, really uh looking forward to what it can become. Yeah, which is really wonderful. Thank you so much for being with us. And at some point, I hope to be one of your guests in your podcast. Yes, yes, Camila. Yeah, it was very good. Thank you, Giada. Thank you.