School of Shamanism

S1 EP11: Pain, astrology, and the courage to see differently with Paulo da Costa

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In this episode of Walking Between Worlds, Giada sits down with holistic coach, astrologer, hypnotherapist and shamanic practitioner Paulo da Costa for a deep, honest, and refreshingly unpolished conversation about what it really means to walk between worlds.

From chronic illness and unanswered medical questions to astrology, hypnotherapy, past-life regression and shamanic practice, Paulo shares his personal journey from scepticism to survival, and how pain became the doorway to something far bigger than logic alone could explain.

Together, Giada and Paulo talk about the invisible world most people fear, why we only look for answers when life forces us to, and how modern distractions, fear of judgement, and “easy living” have dulled our resilience. This isn’t astrology from a magazine or spirituality for Instagram likes, it’s about maps, not predictions, and learning how to sit with uncertainty without losing yourself.

A grounded, sometimes uncomfortable, but deeply human conversation about intuition, healing, courage, and why once you see, you can’t unsee.

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About the Host

Originally hailing from the vibrant city of Milan, I’ve spent the past two decades traversing the globe in a quest for spiritual and personal growth and combined with 25 years of international corporate work experience. From navigating the vast landscapes of Australia in a campervan to finding tranquility living in a Buddhist monastery in Nepal, my journey is nothing short of extraordinary. Along the way, I’ve delved deep into Buddhist teachings, yoga, and shamanism, becoming Shamanic Teacher,  Forest Therapy Guide, Esoteric Numerologist, Shamanic and Integral Yoga Teacher and Ikigai Coach. In 2013 I settled in Edinburgh, where  I founded the Art and Spirituality Centre, a social enterprise and the School of Shamanism, where I passionately help others on their own transformative journeys.

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CHAPTERS

Welcome to Paulo da Costa, Holistic Coach

Cracked open by experience

Comfortable with not knowing

Where to find Paulo

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Paulo

Astrology has been on Earth as far as we know for at least 3,000 years. Kings used to make decisions due to astrology. Wars were being taken care of by astrology. JP Morgan said, millionaires don't need astrology astrology. Billionaires do.

Giada

My name is Giada Gaslini, and this is the season walking in between the Paulo da Costa . I'm really, really excited because we come from the same background. So we are walking in a lot in between. Different or two words. In uh general. So I'm asking you to let us know and share a little bit your story about yourself, and also what are the two words that you're walking in between?

Paulo

Uh good morning, Giada. First and foremost, thank you so much for having me on board. I know Giada for a good couple of years, and she's we're pretty much on the same boat, just different countries, but the same boat. And my story, it is a long story. I was I was born in Portugal many years ago, not relevant. And uh and back then I was I was uh educated with a typical Portuguese slash Mediterranean in a typical Mediterranean way. My parents, lovely, hardworking people, but they were very grabby, you know. So they tried to do everything to protect me, especially coming from that generation. And around when I was 13 years old, I started having this vomiting nonstop, extreme, extreme pain, feeling nauseous. And this happened to me like once a month, it came in a crescendo first because okay, second week start my stomach starts not feeling great. Third week, that's when you know I could hardly do anything, and then it would explode. I would vomit for hours, I would lose loss of kilos, and I've been to all types of different doctors. And all types of these doctors, I've done all types of exams, nobody could pinpoint, I didn't have anything in the stomach, nothing was appearing, and this was quite debilitating, especially for somebody that was a teenager, no teenager young, we're full of life, but that life's kind of drained from you. And after many years, around when I was 20, so this happened when 13, around 21, 22, after going to all types of doctors, and I was a very skeptical person. I start looking at different options, start studying different things in order to find try to find an answer. Because when you when there's something in your health and you don't have the answer for, it's just uh the powerlessness is just unbelievable. And then I started thinking about different, you know, start reading a bit about uh hypnotherapy, which at the time I thought this is nonsense, start reading a bit about astrology, which at the time I thought nonsense, and it gave me some ideas, but still my stomach uh issues continued. And when I was around 20, and by the way, 21, I finished university and I started working in media and advertising. Media and advertising was very stressful, it was all about deadlines, it was all about making sure that the clients needs were okay. And in Portugal, Spain, and Italy, I presume, when people say it's 9 to 5, you don't start it's 9 to 5, it's 9 till whatever time it is, 6, 7, 8 midnight. And people expect that. So there was like this ongoing constant pressure that I was already having in my life for my early 20s. And during that time, I went then to my first astrology appointment. This was because I did not have any answer for anything else. My mom was watching one of those you know afternoon day TV shows, and said, Oh, there is this uh woman that is um that favors this guy that does astrology. And I'm just thinking, I read a little bit, I'm not sure if it works. What's the worst thing that can happen? So I I entered, um, and there was like this lovely chap, Antonio, like uh like he was quite uh a strong chap, but with this big smile, and I'm just thinking, I don't know what you're gonna say, but he then uh I sat and he opened me and read me like a book, and that's when my jaw dropped, and and just telling me lots of things about myself, lots of things that I wasn't even aware that I wouldn't things that I would never tell anyone. And at the end of the session, he said, Paolo, I want you to be my student. And I was like, Really? Okay, and by that time I was working full-time, and and for me, because my life was like a roller coaster from the first week being okay till the fourth week of being in in uh in chaos and then recovering and then going back again, it was hard for me to do things that people could do normally. Meaning, I was I was I was working and I still attended the course of astrology, but it was hard because you know I was always full of up and downs. And as as I attended the course of astrology, like a new world started started to emerge, even although then I was still skeptical. I was still skeptical of what was going on, but I studied it, and my teacher used to say that I wasn't the most technical student, but I was the most intuitive one because intuition was always strong within me. But for many years I kept on denying it, just like you do, like sometimes the matrix, and I'm gonna use the term matrix here, tries to pull you down, tries to get you to rationality. And around that same time was when something very interesting happened as well. I my mother was also watching one of those TV shows, and there was this guy who used to do regressions, past life regressions, and I read about it. I read about this uh the regression because the theme was when I went to a tea room, and there was like this lady, and this lady she owned a tea room and she she had gypsy blood at the time, and she was just telling me about this about very interesting aspect that happened with uh my parents. I'm not sure if this is going to be beneficial for you, but my parents are uh first degree cousins. Which and and as we were talking, she was a very knowledgeable, knowledgeable person. She was talking to say the she used to do a breeding of dogs, rot filers, and she said the most uh the best specimens were the ones that were cross-breed, but also were the ones that came with more problems. And in her tradition, she used to say that the firstborn from the you know, the firstborn from this mix, they used to have uh they used to have something of wit like wizard slash witch in them, which for me I was just like, oh, that's funny, but I never really paid that much attention. And at that time, she told me she advised me this book from Edith Fiori called We've Been Here Before. That was the first book I read about about regression in past life. Once again, I was skeptical. I was skeptical about the whole thing, but I decided to go to a hypnotherapist.

Giada

Yeah, but it's funny that it was your mom to introducing that and the presence of TV. Well, I've seen that on TV, and then you were following a course. I've seen that one on TV, and then following the course, just starting from a non from from an element of, I mean, I wouldn't say synchronicities, but of course we wouldn't think normally, especially in our countries, that our mom would be the starting point of what we have become.

Paulo

Yes, that is that is absolutely that is absolutely true. And if you think about it, the type of themes that go in those afternoon shows are not themes that go into the the prime time, the main, because these are themes that are ridiculed. These are themes that people so oh it's like a it's like a freak show. People tend to see it like a freak show. And I used to when I was at the beginning, but life opened me, life has beaten me up in such a way that I needed to look elsewhere, and I found some of the answers, the majority of the answers elsewhere. Because if you think about astrology, astrology has been on Earth as far as we know for at least 3,000 years. Kings used to make decisions due to astrology, wars were being taken care of by astrology. JP Morgan said, millionaires don't need astrology, astrology, billionaires do. And in the last 150-200 years, astrology has been a theme of mockery. People tend to mock because people don't understand. You know, I I was I was like that. And even sometimes, of course, you can just like any professional, you can take it as far, you can take it as seriously or not seriously, let's put it that way, as you want. And unfortunately, there's a lot of people that don't take it seriously. It's like a it's like an Instagram reel, and that pisses me off, to be honest. And but each wouldn't go through their own path, and and it's just the way that life is. I used to be well like that, so I can't really I can't really um can't really say much about it.

Giada

Absolutely. But if I have to just interrupt in your story for a few seconds, if we need just to chant people because of course people have some ideas of astrology, is what we used to read in magazine, now that we read in Google, whatever is just a light touch in superficial element. What would be, let's say, a game changer in letting people understand how deep and how serious this science is and this discipline is. I think it's to let them understand it's there is much more than what you think.

Paulo

I think it has to do had to do with two things. It could be experience, the experience, experiential, and open-mindness. The problem is that I only did this because it was just a matter of survival. The majority of people they don't need to do this and they fight because we are being formatted in in certain ways. We're we have been, you know, this, these are the rules, and if you go outside of the rules, you'll be people will point fingers at you. So, how to be able to do this? Give it a try. If it's not for you, it's not for you. Not everything is for anyone, and be open-minded because when you're in a place of and everybody goes through grief, everybody goes through pain, everybody goes through all of these uh crazy hard experiences, and we sometimes don't are not open enough to say, okay, I'm gonna give it a try. And and I think that being able to have that open-mindness is something that is important. For example, I was I was delivering a workshop, uh, just a presentation for for some training that I do called Trainer Trainer, and I did a brief presentation about the elements of astrology because I had 10 minutes. There was not that I can't even go doing one star sign, it's just like a brief thing. And the majority of people they felt a resistance, it's like, oh, I'm not really sure about that until I start pointing each one out. And due to knowing their star signs or having an idea of what's a star signs, and following my intuition, I start telling them things that they were just like, oh, this actually makes a lot of sense because astrology is about it being finding the experiment part, as in because otherwise there will only be 12 types of people because there was only 12 star signs, and a natal chart, which I will talk going further, is there are hundreds of millions of possible combinations, and it's a chart, it's a map. And in a map, you can go wherever your foo will take you. It's something that I will mention going further, but just try, just try, go listen to things, go to a workshop, listen more, be open. What you regardless if it's for you, it's not for you, just be open, especially when you go to grief, because we tend to close ourselves when when you when you experience grief, when you experience pain, because our mind uh needs to be cracked in certain ways to let things coming in. And for me, this cracking, let's put it that way, it was through pain over and over and over and over, which that gave me no choice. I don't want people, and to be honest, the majority of my clients, if not all of them, they come to me when the proverbial poo hit the fan. Let's call it that way. And shit hit the fan. That's when people come to me because they can't find answers anywhere. And I'm not gonna give them the answers, I'm just gonna give them possibilities and allow them to show the different paths. But only people go through that stage. So, my advice try it, be open. If it's not for you, it's not for you, and don't be afraid of being ridiculed because people have a lot of they're very fearful what other people think of them. And as Tao Taoism, they used to say the one who cares about other people's opinions becomes your prisoner. And this was a a lesson that for me, being a Libre in many other aspects, was very hard to learn. So try it, be open, don't be afraid of really good.

Giada

But and maybe try more than one thing, because if the first approach, we don't know what they are going to try and come across.

Paulo

That's exactly it. That's exactly it. I've uh as I will be able to say later on, I've done not only astrology and hypnotherapy, but all types of other things. But going back to hypnotherapy, so I went to this uh to this gentleman that he was uh doing the hypnotherapy session, and basically at this time he only he started straight through with regression, past life regression. First, let me explain a bit of what hypnotherapy is and how regression fits in. So if we think there are we have around five to ten percent, don't quote me on percentages, but all of what we experience is conscious, and there is 95% of everything that we are. So if you think about the five percent here, 95% of what we are isn't conscious, and we don't have normally don't tend to have access. For example, the fact that I'm speaking English at the moment, or even vice speaker Portuguese, or anything that is learned behavior, it's in this 95%. When you drive a car and you're driving a car and you're getting the gears in, turning, getting the indicator, all of that, you don't think that is already a learned behavior. And this is in this 95%. So this happened with that type of learning. Then there's also learning of traumas. When, for example, when we are chilling our when in our development development years are between zero and nine, our brain is like is like a sieve. Everything goes through. We know we ever we are very open. And by that time, we also have a lot of memories that aren't that are imagination, let's call it imagination. But during that time, let's say that you are a child and you go to a to a party and there's a clown. Clown is a classic.

Giada

Yes, we all had that.

Paulo

There's a clown that scares you because your mind is developing your mind. You in order to try to protect you, it's just saying, Oh, clown equals danger. Clown equals danger. So that kid retains that memory, gets it that's learned behavior. When I say the clown, I can mean any other type of trauma, gets that learned behavior into here, and once he gets it into here, when that child goes up, the that adult is afraid of clowns, but that's not really an adult, that's the the children's memory that is afraid of clowns because the mind told him, be afraid of clowns, because clowns eat clown equal danger. And you think, okay, it doesn't make any sense. You're a grown-up, you should know better. Yeah, but that memory from that child is still there, right? What does regressive hypnosis? There's different types of hypnosis. Let's start with regressive hypnosis, thus, is that let's say that I have clients that come to me with uh with traumas and they don't know what the trauma is, and uh the way that our brain tends to organize things is through emotions, right? Okay, and let's say that that uh the the fact that that old that uh adult uh is afraid of clowns is through fear, right? So what I do, I uh go here and I relax the person up to a certain stage, which is I think it's called alpha or teta stage, I think it's alpha stage, that you get them to relax into this hypnosis stage, right? And people say, Oh, being hypnotized is being hypnotized is something that happens uh daily, or that state of teta happen or alpha, alpha or teta, I don't really not really sure that state happens the five seconds after you wake up when you're kind of groggy, and the five seconds before you go to sleep. You got like, uh so but imagine expanding those five seconds to bigger space of time, opening this gate, and this is where me as a therapist come in, and I'll be able to say, Okay, let's pick up fear, which is the main emotion that brings you down, and how and your fear to clowns. What the brain does is just goes there, picks up that memory, brings it to awareness, because the majority of things we don't remember, it's bring them to awareness and reframe it. You reframe that stage and then you put it back in. Uh during when this this is open, of course, and you say, Will this immediately do something? It will open up, but you need to put on the work, just like anything in life. You need to reframe it, you need to try it. But hypnotherapy is like you enter into a room that is has the lights off and you don't see anything. If you don't see anything, people tend to be afraid of what they don't know. And when people are afraid of what they don't know, everything is dangerous. So when you turn on the light and you understand, oh, there's a chair, there's a table, please don't go there. You can navigate, and what this is what hypnotherapy does being able to reframe. This is just a regressive part, going to get memories also from another part from a more clinical aspect. What it does is also change the beliefs that we have. These beliefs are our learned beliefs here. You don't necessarily need to go to the past. Try to bring them back and try to reframe them with this open-mindedness, let's put it that way, and by try to be able to say, let's take a look at this. What is a problem, and really look at it, because people tend to have different visions of things according to our own experience. So there's the clinical part. The regressive is about getting something from the past that affects us. And this is a big caveat do not go to the past and unless you need to, you know, and this is very important. Because I had people say, Oh, I want to do uh I want to do a regression. And I just like, this is not this is not advisable for you. You first need to. Take a look at things. And then if you cannot really solve it, then you go to the past.

Giada

Yeah, because people come into the session already pretending that they are already know what they have to do. It's just like also in the shamanic sessions, and then a practitioner as well. When they come to you and say, I want to do a sole retrieval. How do you know that you need a sole retrieval? 100% of the time it's true because we all need a soul retrieval, but don't just uh come with that assumption that you know what it is and what you need.

Paulo

Absolutely, absolutely. And then once you kind of then if you need to go to regression, then there is a I wouldn't say like not going for percentages that many of my clients they sometimes, if they need to go to a regression, they normally only tend to go to that those formative years that I've mentioned between zero and nine or before. But what I tend to do, sometimes you need to easily into it, is that you go back because from zero till let's say 30. I'm gonna go for 30 because I'm not gonna disclose my age at the moment. I'll disclose it later. But zero till 30, which is I'm 30 years old. I'm 30 years old. Uh from zero till till 30, people have gone through grief. Right, and sometimes you kind of have to leave, let them ease and just like slowly go back, and people go to a uh traumatic experience that they have at 225, not as it's um traumatic, but normally normally don't tend to be as traumatic as before, and then you slowly ease them into those formative years. That's when it's sometimes it carries a bit of heavier weight, and during that time you can bring those memories up here, reframe them and help them, and also with coaching and with all different types of tools, then you start working on those memories. So it's not like saying, Oh, you do a hypnotherapy session and it's solved. Same thing as saying you go once to the gym and you look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah, it's just no.

Giada

Exactly.

Paulo

So this is the regressive part. No. And Chiada, how far do you want, how deep do you want to go with this?

Giada

Up to you. We got the whole stage.

Paulo

We got the whole stage. Okay, so so I'll just keep it.

Giada

Digging into the the more and more invisible world, which is which is the part also that we are working in, constantly traveling between visible and invisible. So before then you continue, I'm just going to ask you now what you mean you are beautifully and greatly working in the invisible world. For what people the majority of people consider the invisible world, what they can see where there are fears, where there is the inner darkness, darkness and the shadows. You know, when you explore a world, probably like it was in the in the old philosophical times, it was just like when there was all the topics between what is uh finite or infinite, when there was also the let's say how Hegel summarized what Fichten Schelling was were doing. And he used to say, the more you know, the more the unknown become known. And so it's never a fixed element, a fixed border, because it's ongoing, it's it's uh the the border is expanding. So the more you dig into the invisible world, how much do you feel that you are able to, let's say, be a comfortable within the invisible? And how much still do you think it's still invisible to you?

Paulo

I still have a lot to learn, let's put it that way. And the more I learn, the less I know. And that is that is uh I used to be a know-it-all. I used to be a smart arse know-it-all. And right now I just like nope, I'm open to all possibilities. Because once you start feeling a bit more comfortable with uncertainty, because human beings are full of certainty. Lots of human beings are full of certainty, and that's what this certainty is. That's what causes illness, that's what causes wars, that's what causes uh fighting, all of those things. And I'm I'm aware that I'm I I don't know 0.00001% of the world. I'm aware of that. And the more you get into it, the more comfortable you feel with that uncertainty, because life's all about uh it's all about uh waves, you know, and the more that you ride that wave, the easier it is for you to to settle in. Of course, there are gonna be peaks in our life where you're gonna feel sadness, and sometimes all of this the pain makes you go out of the window. But the truth is that it's like how far do you want to go down the rabbit hole? But the truth is that once you get into the rabbit hole, once you cross that line, you will never go back to what you are. You might always regress a little bit, but you never go back. And once the expression, once you see it, you can't see it. So that makes me think I still have a lot to learn. I still have, you know, I feel very good with what I already know. But if you tell me how much of astrology do you know, I probably say it's one percent from everything that's out there, one percent, how much of hypnotherapy? One percent, you know, and I've been doing this for over 20 years. I've been doing this for over 20 years, and saying that is just the uh ability, as I spoke earlier on, about being open, uh being open to uh to knowledge, but also knowledge is pointless if you don't if it doesn't hit here or if it doesn't hit the heart, because otherwise it's just information, otherwise a machine, just like they're doing, they're they're doing that, but it's up to the heart, and this is something that I learned in my schematic shamanic practice. It's up to the heart to be able to say, does this resonate with you? Yes or no, but you can only do that if you're balanced. Otherwise, that intuition is gonna go, ooh, it's gonna go so into places that you don't like. And this is about having that uh that human ability to be able to feel with the heart and think with the mind, because the mind is very important. Don't say, Oh, the ego is the enemy, the mind is very important because the mind asks questions. The heart uh answers questions. And it's just like the the the right side of the the left the left side of the brain that controls the right hand is the one that is rational. He is the one you remember when we are, for example, when we are let me ask you, oh, do you remember that film that was Wolf of Wall Street? I don't remember the name, it's like what's the name of and then you keep going, your rational mind keeps going, just like a wheel on dirt, keeps going and going and going, and then you can't remember. Then you go, you go and have a cup of coffee, or you were having a cup of coffee, and suddenly, oh, it's Leonardo DiCaprio. Why? Because it's the creative mind that solves this um this part. And I think I've gone on tangents because have I answered your your question. I've gone on tangents, that's what I do.

Giada

Opening up opening up doors for uh exactly for uh answers that we could stay here for three hours for three days to share because of course they are the great and big questions of life, which is what's scaring scaring people. Nowadays, people are not ready to commit to make the effort, take the time and take the risk of that, and I keep seeing people quitting. That is the first challenge, first difficulty, and they quit. I'm not ready yet. You become ready by going. So, what is your advice that you can give people regarding that?

Paulo

It's there is uh when you think about where you think about where you are, think about uh if you're going through the pain, think about that pain going through, and think about a wound, right? If a wound has a bandage on top, the wound won't heal. The bandage is there, it won't heal. But when you rip off the bandage, it's not pleasant. It's just like the same thing. If you dive into this world, it's not gonna be pleasant, but then it's gonna be worse. And then if you keep going, I guarantee you, I guarantee you that you won't you won't be coming back. I'm not guaranteed, I can't guarantee you that life's gonna be easy because life is not easy, but the way that you approach life will be different. So by keep going, and my advice is that don't let uh things go so badly that the more the faster you do it, the faster you go and try to discover yourself, the easier it's gonna be because if you dive in so deep that you can't get out of there, and I had to hit that rock bottom to be able to come up. But now right now I don't hit that rock bottom because I know what it feels like. I go down, but I don't go down because I have I don't even call it courage, just the need for my own survival. But don't let life hit you so bad that you'll do things in despair. Try to avoid that, but sometimes that's how human beings, well, the majority of times is how human beings learn. Don't let it hit you so bad that you can't get out of there because it's not it's not nice.

Giada

Exactly. And also try to analyze and don't hide yourself behind intuition. Um intuition is saying it's not for me. Is it your intuition or your fear that is blocking you?

Paulo

Exactly.

Giada

The first the first challenge people quit. And I see that constantly, constantly in people working around me, working with me. And and I always see that building the resilience to these days is really hard. It's really hard, probably compared to our times, probably compared to the times of our families, of our parents. It bec it's becoming less and less and less. What do you think is the root of that?

Paulo

The root of that is the distractions that we have around everything, it is immediate, everything is here, and people feel that though they don't have to to work for it. People just click a button and it just appears. Now, uh this is where we can go deeper, but I'm not gonna go as deep as that. This type of um this type of easiness comes with a cost. It's just the same thing as you're preparing for a race. And in that or I'm just saying a race, uh preparing for a race, and you're gonna do like a health marathon. If you uh wake up every day and go for runs every day, and you get to the health marathon, you complete it. Now by the way, I'm not a runner, so also but if you stay sitting on your couch, uh eating ice cream, watching TV, you go for the race, you will you hardly hit, you can't finish it because your body's not used to it. And we have to train our bodies, we have to train our minds, but I'm not saying this an excuse, but it's hard when you're running down the hamster, uh the hamster wheel, chasing your tail, and just going over and over, you don't have time, you have bills, but you have all of these things to do, and it's hard work. Nobody says it's gonna be hard work, but I tell you, once you go in, you won't come back. And sometimes we all have waves, and it's just about surfing, it's just about surfing that wave. So, my advice be uh understandful of easiness because also people mistake easiness for for kindness. Easiness and kindness are two different things. Easiness is uh kindness is being to listen to your body, to listen to who you are, to listen to what you think. Easiness is the lack of energy. Not to be able to it's not it's not about listening to yourself, it's listening to your mind. Oh, oh, this is uh outside is so cold, here is so cozy, I'm just gonna stay out of it. That's easiness. Kindness is saying, Oh my I'm really tired. I'm not sure if I can if I can make it, I'm gonna give it a try. Even though I'm gonna might hurt myself. Kindness say, Oh, listen, don't do it today, do it tomorrow. Those are two different things. And unfortunately, lots of people are just getting too used. Sometimes myself even, you know, I'm not I'm not out of a I you know, I also carry my own my own I'm not perfect. But sometimes people just let go and then they they they can't they can't come back to and if to the first to the first challenge, they go back. And if they go back, if you give your will to something or someone else, that something or someone else, it will control you. So it's all about being aware and can in control or trying to be as much as in control to your own life. That's my advice.

Giada

Yeah, exactly, because it already takes a lot of time to change in general. Life is always a divine time. So if we also are uh part of the game of postponing it's not going to happen very soon and be easy for sure, then everything needs to be in the right time, whatever. But sometimes this is an excuse for definitely procrastinations.

Paulo

So sometimes also what happens is that there are on the other spectrum, there are people that are just too hard on themselves. And I know a lot of them, many of my clients, many people I've known that are they just too hard on themselves, they always go at everything at the hundred percent. And we have to understand, myself included, that and I'm being much better, and at times that is that voice, oh Paulo, you're procrastinating, you should do this, you should the should, could, would they all go in there, but sometimes it's like no, be kind to yourself. You've done this, let it sink in. It's not that because my how do I say my default is is to go all the time. And right now I'm at a stage of my life where I had I'm I can relax, I can do things, and I because all of my life I've been running after the carrot. I've been running out, and sometimes you're like, no, no, no, I'm just going to enjoy. Once again, it's just about riding the wave. And we have to be respectful of we have to play with the hand that we're dealt. Let's put it that way.

Where to find Paulo

Giada

Yeah, yeah, beautiful. And so I'm going good, just going to close, asking how can people work with you? Where can they find you? What can they do with you in one-to-one session or groups?

Paulo

They can find me uh in Art and Spirituality. They can they can find me on my website, which is www.holistic.co.uk, www.holistic-coach.co.uk. And in my website because says that we didn't even go to the I think we should we are going to leave this the recording.

Giada

For a second episode.

Paulo

For a second episode where I'm gonna talk a bit more about regressions and the shamanic practice as well. Because I'm a hypnotherapist, I am an astrologer, I'm a shamanic practitioner, and I'm a coach. And I mix all of those to help people because all of those tools help me in my journey. So as they help me, I study them and I start help helping people. It's a bit like Kiran. But once again, we will talk about the more in-depth about astrology and uh regression going forward. So yeah, that's where you can find me.

Giada

Perfect. And also Zen Corporate.

Paulo

And Zen Corporate. Okay, let's let's Zen Corporate. So to those of you that have been following Giada, uh, you probably probably know about Zen Corporate. Zen Corporate is a branch of hard and spirituality that is trying to reach the corporate world because Giada and I both come from the corporate world, and uh and Rachel is part of uh part of that, also came from the corporate world, that we're trying to reach and trying to once again try to crack their heads and be open to the corporate world, to what's out there. And because we have worked in there, we have a very particular set of skills, not like taken from Liam Nees and from Taken, but we have a particular set of skills that allows us to put this so-called invisible world into in a language that corporate will understand. Will it be an easy road? Nope, it won't be an easy road. It will take is and we are just building it, and I'm just very proud and thankful to to Giada to for for this opportunity because I think Giada is a magnificent uh practitioner, magnific, magnificent schematic practitioner. It's uh I had some shamanic sessions in in my life, and Giada is one of the top three.

Giada

Because let's not take the the the proud of that, it's not me, never me, it's always my spirits.

Paulo

You and uh you and your team. So it's going to be you, it's going to be my teacher, Kifa. She's amazing. She so, and and I don't think there's yeah, top two, maybe, yeah. And I have many from different practitioners, so and Giada and Giada's team, which I don't know if it's inter Milan or Milan, but doesn't matter. Inter Inter. This house is always inter Inter Milan, Inter Milan spirit team has been very uh has been very powerful. So I'm really thankful for the the opportunity, and you know, we shall see how it's gonna go. We're gonna do our best and we're gonna try to open some minds, and because the truth is that once you see it, you can't see it.

Giada

Absolutely. Thank you so much, really. I have to exchange before closing the the same exact words for when I had. I had, of course, shamanic sessions with you, I had an indoor hypnotherapy session with you, one astrology session with you. I mean, I still remember the astrology sessions you were just coming in and out from your reading and such a with such a way of huge level of experience and really easiness in speaking about my charts in general while we were uh going through. That I mean, I can really say that it can rarely be found. So you get lots of people doing astrology, but it's such level of confidence with the experience, and then and then also say do that on the spot, which is a huge, it requires a huge amount of experience because, as you said, this is such a vast topic that your one percent that you know is gorgeous, it's really already it feels like hundred.

Paulo

Thank you.

Giada

Yes, so thank you. Thank you so much. I'm really, really looking forward to the second episode where we are going to choose a different topic and dig in a little bit more because there is so much fascinating, and we also want more people to be coming into our own invisible walls and also maybe start approaching this element of learning themselves so that then there can be more people helping others.

Paulo

Absolutely. I think the I think it's really important to have that open mindness and I'm always saying what's the worst thing that can happen?

Giada

Exactly. Exactly. So give a try and and just see and and just allow the magic to unfold.

Paulo

Great.

Giada

Yes. Thank you so much, Pauloa. Thank you so much again, and I'll see you soon.

Paulo

I'll see you soon. Take care.

Giada

Bye.