Prost! Podcast Episode #22 - Jansen Duncan & The Journey to Authentic Sound

Summary

In this conversation, Jansen Duncan shares his journey as a musician, discussing the challenges of balancing life and music, his quest for an authentic sound, and the evolution of his musical identity. He reflects on his influences, the local music scene, and the importance of humor in songwriting. Scott also looks ahead to future projects and the excitement of performing.

Takeaways

• Balancing personal life and music is challenging but essential.
• Authenticity in music comes from embracing imperfections.
• Finding a unique musical identity can be a long journey.
• Musical influences shape an artist's sound and style.
• The local music scene offers both challenges and opportunities.
• Songwriting is a creative process that varies for each artist.
• Humor in music can make songs more relatable and enjoyable.
• Performing live creates a unique connection with the audience.
• The evolution of music tastes can lead to new creative directions.
• Future projects are exciting and require careful planning.

Chapters

00:00 Balancing Life and Music

01:14  The Quest for Authentic Sound

04:19  Finding My Musical Identity

06:59 Musical Influences and Inspirations

12:18 The Local Music Scene

16:07 Songwriting Process and Creative Flow

25:40 The Importance of Humor in Songwriting

30:32 Upcoming Shows and Future Plans

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:37

He came down to the studio. We hung out, and uh here's the interview. Want to apologize for the audio quality? It sometimes tops to plug in uh both microphones, but it's too good an interview to pass it up. So I hope you enjoy. Cheers.

SPEAKER_05 0:55

All right. Excuse me, we are live. Uh again, Pros Podcast. Thanks for joining us. Uh today I have the honor of uh having Jansen Duncan here at uh Trilar Studio at the CultiNets One Company Trilar Vineyard. Uh welcome, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

What's up?

SPEAKER_05 1:11

Thank you for being here. I really appreciate it. Uh love having these conversations with uh other local musicians. And uh you're you're from Muncie, right? Yes. Well that's kind of uh operations, but you're playing all over the eastern part of the United States or uh eastern Indiana.

SPEAKER_03 1:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:28

Um we've had you out. Uh you absolutely uh lit it up at the songwriter in the round we did with uh Kyle Hazard. Um and we had you for coming out here. You're extremely a talent to watch for sure in this area. I've got some great individual songs. I can't wait to hear about that. I can't wait to hear about some of the new music that you're working on, some of the gigs, and uh just generally what's going on. So, again, welcome. I appreciate you taking the time. Yeah, trying to honor um uh dominate the conversation. I know sometimes I don't, but uh really you know, really interesting to hear your backstory some more because uh again that was I I mean we had some good songwriting around, but there was definitely an energy now that people are still talking about.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

I felt something special that night for sure.

SPEAKER_05 2:14

That was cool, and I think it was one of the first ones who were like, yep, this is we thought that this might be a great format. We certainly were definitely taking the the uh the the torch from the actual Bloomberg and in the uh in Nashville, but something similar here. Uh it just it just is such a perfect fit for all of the calendar Cinder Song Lin. So that was awesome. And uh yeah, I appreciate you being here, man. So what's what's new with uh um dance and dunk? Uh what's been going on this year?

SPEAKER_01 2:46

So not quite this year, but I had my first born. Um she's gonna be a year old in March. Okay. Named her Indy with an IE. All right.

SPEAKER_05 2:58

Um very cool. That's definitely a massive dad life changer, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

Especially with playing shows every single weekend, working full time, trying to keep up on the house, keep up with buddies, family, and then finding balance. Yep, finding a balance in life in general. But putting music on top of life is busy enough in itself. Yeah. Studio time, yeah, all of it.

SPEAKER_05 3:29

Right on, man. Well, for sure, uh no one's gonna uh deny that uh the tough business, the music business. We've obviously got a ton of talent. Um in a episode I want to get into. How you've kind of uh visualized the roadmap to to you know there's got you've got the you can make a decent lucrative career out of being a cover musician and staying busy. But it's not quite the same as actually being an artist for um recordings. Really, I mean you'll top out at a certain level. You've never played Red Rock, but you know any of the big places. Uh and that's it's it's a tough road to hoe, but um, but you know, to do that you have to put out some really great individual music, and and I know that's where the height's at. So um we'll get into that. So yeah, balance, uh definitely a difficult thing. Easier if you don't have a four or five or a ten-piece band, go so we start the solo and yeah, do the best you can. But um, I did see some video of you in the studio um cutting some uh vocals and stuff like that. So where where are you at with that cloud stuff?

SPEAKER_01 4:42

So um to take take it back, I was working in a studio a while back, and really what came out of it was we got some really solid demos. I wasn't happy with the finished product, and I ended up playing a show in Firehouse Um Dunkirk, probably about a year ago, and I met this guy, and he's super cool. Well, right across the street, he has his own recording studio. Okay. Um and we ended up linking up and man, he understood that I didn't want perfection. I didn't want auto-tune. If you hear a chair squeak in the back of the recording, I want that. If if you can hear my lips smack in between phrasing, I like as long as it's not taking over the song or something, I I want the imperfections to bring that song to life. I don't want it sloppy, but I want it to be oh man, this is raw. This is this is real music that somebody wrote, and it's just I don't know. I find perfection and imperfections, I feel like. I I enjoy imperfections, and so that's kind of what I wanted to instill in my music as well.

SPEAKER_05 6:09

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, again, it it it speaks to kind of that um more kind of retro indie vibe. Uh and that definitely is a backlash to all of the crazy amount of tools and stuff that we have. Yes. So I I get I find I think there's a great balance of this pretty um liberating and amazing to think that we have the tools to basically mean because I'm old enough now to I used to record uh the most imperfect a little too imperfect. But just be blown away that you could go multi-track yourself that was just like, oh this is the four loopers and back then that would tape loopers though. Yeah. Now just the you know the the tools is it's and a lot of what do they call the the good oxolute don't have choice? It gives so many options that sometimes you can't make a choice. So you just can't make a choice. But no, I I love that kind of indie vetro vibe. Um how would you describe your sound? I mean, what what a are you country? Are you country india? Are you country rock? Are you uh old school country bed?

SPEAKER_01 7:16

I mean what what where do you it's five it is within the past two years has been so hard to try and find the box that I belong in, and I think that is coming with the maturing of being in the music industry. I've I've been playing since I was nine and performing since I was 13. So I'm 25. And so throughout all these years, I'd say by the time I was 16 and actually getting good at playing and singing, I was heavy in just today's country. I was playing um oh, what's his name? It don't hurt like it used to. I can't remember his name. But stuff like that, Jason Aldean, Luke Combs. And I think at the time that was the easiest thing to play. So it was G D E minor C. It was D minor A G. It was you know, just four chords, four chords, quad cowboy chords. Yep. And so a lot of that. Yes, and and I'm I kind of perfected that craft and I got really bored, really, really bored within the past, I'd say two years ago, I was like, man, I feel like I'm singing the same thing every single time. So long story short, I've been struggling finding the genre. I'd say that I'm folk indie. However, if you see me live, I'm gonna be playing songs like Um Someone Like You by Adele. Um, let's see, All American Rejects, Dirty Little Secret, Fountains of Wayne, Stacy's Mom. I'm throwing weird stuff in like that, but I know you haven't got to personally watch a show of mine, but I have a kick drum, a harmonica, and an acoustic guitar. And so so even in my live shows, when I'm playing Stacy's Mom, it's still folk acoustic harmonica. So I I would like to say that I would I would be folk indie country. Yeah. But with a country rock twist.

SPEAKER_05 9:39

Yeah. Yeah, that'll be interesting to see kind of uh how you how you uh because we talked about the podcast being kind of a little you know split personality, but um, you know, then the dog and tells you you have to kind of study and be uh initial fun line that I don't know in today's day and age with you know the uh iPhones and people's short attention spans and I just feel you know, the sense that just like with the perfection of the tools and precision and auto-tune and all the stuff we can do, there's people that are like, you know what, it's getting boring, you know, let's let's feel it started feeling soulless. A little bit. I think that's just kind of endemic for where we are.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

Well, it all stemmed from 2020. I think so.

SPEAKER_05 10:24

I feel like I think so. Um yeah, not being pigeonholed into indie one thing. I mean, like in nobody's uh breaking the mole here. There's lots of artists who just you know refuse to uh to be pigeonholed in one thing, and then there's other people that specialize, which again is kind of a lot of sense of the dog will tell you. But I get I think that's cool. I definitely um did not necessarily go up uh you know as as somebody that was a huge country affection. I thought it was bored in fact, so Nelson.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

Of course, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:54

Yeah, but a more you know Floridian, uh Buffett, Tom Patty, so is a lot of the raw stuff. But um, you know, folk end use is solid. My playbook, and when I first um was was turned on to you and and I was checking out videos, I definitely heard obviously influences of the of the sound that might be associated with the Midwest, but um you know uh also uh kind of a maybe a less twangy, less country divide and more that that Hidden stuff in your songs and just uh described, but the the way the melodies were structured, they uh there was again a little bit of attention and the lease aspect of like I'm I'm gonna hold something back and hopefully like have a sensation of attention. It's not quite resulted. I hear that story about a song a lot. It's beautiful. But I'd take the toy with uh with the audience, and that's that's yeah, that's a great way to do it. That's something that I wouldn't associate with like a mode of 2000 says how you give you the payoff because they just want to noise. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean there's some great song. I am not yeah um but but there's there was something a little bit more um I just say uh and sexually emotional uh resonating uh behind the sound. And again, that's part of that uh aspect of being songwriters uh uh you know objective. What are you actually going for? In a lot of cases, I don't even know if we uh think of it. We because of who we are as people and uh artists on the it just kind of comps through it.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing is that I'm I still to this day love contemporary normal country that they play on the radio today. I really do. I'll I'll throw it on the radio. But like I said, it's just started to feel soulless, probably to me. Maybe I just overplayed it and just you know got tired of it. I'd do that with anything. Yeah, man. I don't know if you've heard this is a total switch up. Yeah, but there's an artist out, and her name's Olivia Dean, and she's got this RB big big and soft voice, and I am playing her out right now. And I just and just the other day I said, I need to stop listening to her because I'm gonna get sick. But I think I I tend to do that. I'm I think it's part of being an artist is I obsess I with I find something new and I dive in headfirst and don't look back. And then I come to a point where it's like, oh, I I'm burnt now.

SPEAKER_05 13:54

Yeah, well, you're 25, so yeah, uh you've got a little ways to go. I mean, I I I'm literally double you still picking things up, still um, you know, hearing things, and in some cases going back and revisiting stuff that I branded myself out a long time ago. But because it's been so long, you know uh not necessarily hearing something different, but being once again uh blog. I I feel like I frequently do that with um business and um always thinking of how um unbelievable their compositions were and Johnny's why broke that band up but um was 23 work was they that band broke up who knows why, but uh they was 22 years old and they put out 80 songs some of the best genes.

SPEAKER_03 14:43

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_05 14:43

Yeah, they it was a mark of genius, and it was this list was done when Johnny Well was still on twenty.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

That's insane to think about.

SPEAKER_05 14:54

Yeah, how about at that age?

SPEAKER_01 14:56

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 14:57

Yeah, and and and you can go back and listen to it, and it's it's ever it's every bit as brilliant now as it was uh back then. So I I feel like I'm always struggling back plenty of artists, plenty of artists, one that I'm really, really I crazy story. I was passed out on the power chair after working uh put on some music and had spotted by them. Maddie, I'm uh got an idiot on it and we'll come uh chat with you a little bit later on. Was that a coffee? Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_03 15:28

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:29

We'll have you come in and do some drums in a little bit, okay?

SPEAKER_04 15:33

Yeah. What you want? In about 30 minutes, okay?

SPEAKER_05 15:44

I was sleeping on the couch and um something woke me up. It's like, well no, it's a pung is a song by um uh Seed and Bones by Nodiser. Don't know if you've ever heard that band from some indie rock band, um and uh it's just such an unbelievable. I love dynamics of music and crescendos.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

I've always loved on one end like dire straits and Martin Offler's music how he you had me diving into Martin Offler when I left here the other night.

SPEAKER_05 16:14

He's been a master of that uh for for his entire career and just built some incredible souls. Um but uh but you know, there's there's lots of bands. I'm a big electronic music band. Not the popular stuff, but but beautiful melodies, and I always love the way it blows up and I you know, love to see a band pull that off, but not a sleep out of a song uh mini-song really, really just this and they do it melodically with the vocal. They'll throw in what could be a hook of a song, but now it's just a second or a third a counter melody coming in. So I love the vocal parts that are like that. Again, Aryan did that a lot of times. Yeah, kind of a diatribe there, but um, but yeah, just uh still to this day. Um I I I hear something and I I got an ending, and I assume that and I'd like to believe that in that process that you know saying earlier, you internalize that and somehow it comes out almost subconsciously, you know, layer. So, you know, you talked about a voice. I don't know, this um Olivia Dean, if it's soul music or if it's uh hodgepodge of different things. Um I I think I I can eat, but I think that's cool. I think you should definitely not try and do anything other than what Jansen Duncan does based on all of the stuff that we chew up. Hopefully it's it's yeah about me.

SPEAKER_01 17:43

My history of musical influences oh so vast. Yeah. I mean, that's not a bad when I was so what got me into playing guitar, my idols were Angus Young and Ace Freely. I wanted to be AC DC, I wanted to be KISS. Yeah. And then got a little older and um stayed with the rock, got obsessed with metal music, screaming, crazy lines, math rock, got a little older, became obsessed with Amy Winehouse. I have an Amy Winehouse tattoo on my arm. I she's probably like my my favorite artist to just throw throw on and relax. And then comes the country to folk to you know, singer-songwriter, but that actually explains uh a bit about your uh yeah, your combat a lot a lot of it, I think.

SPEAKER_05 18:42

Yeah and I and I cannot I cannot think of a downside to that. Really have a street going before I think most people who are good at this uh tell you, and I'm sure they do it some classical that right now. Yeah, I don't know it that well, but I know when I hear something I like and I know.

SPEAKER_03 19:06

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 19:06

And if you've ever seen an orchestra tune up, it gives me chills to see that. So no, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

That's I I like to think that there's no bad music. And I I mean, of course, there's going to be music that doesn't strike you the same. Yeah. There's gonna be lyrics that you cringe at. Yeah. But I still like to think that there's great stuff in there. Yeah. I'm I can't sit here and diss a single genre. I can say things that I don't like about it. I can say things that, like I said, I get burnt out on. But there's really not a lot of music that I've heard that I'm just like, this is awful. Why does anyone I I can't think of a genre at all that would be like that with me? I listen to everything from J. Cole to Willie Nelson to whatever it is. That's I like to keep it broad because, like I said, I I get burnt out pretty quick if I overplay something too much.

SPEAKER_05 20:08

So we've already kind of get you know talked a little bit about your your past. I mean who introduced you music, how it started.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

So my grandpa, um, my dad's dad, he was in a band um growing up, or not even growing up. He was a little older. He ended up, I'm pretty sure he opened up for Z Z Top, Charlie Daniels, and uh he kind of he got a decent size. I think it was local shows that they just were able to get on that but 100%. That's awesome. And uh so he kind of got me started. He got me, gave me one of his guitars, started teaching me G, E minor, taught me the and C, G, E minor, C, D, and uh kind of just took off from there. Ended up uh he passed away, actually. I think I believe he was the first case of West Nile in Muncie, Indiana. That I don't know if it was the first case or the first case that led to death, but he was one of the earliest people to get West Nile in Muncie. And so he ended up passing away, and he gave me, man, this is actually another turnaround. He gave he was a bass player, but he picked up guitar and played guitar. He gave me his bass, and he was like, I'll give you this bass, but when you make it big, you just have to acknowledge me. One of your biggest shows, you have to acknowledge me. And I was like, Okay. Three, four years later, I find a guy who will make me a custom electric guitar, and I trade that bass after he passed. And I've looked for it on Marketplace. I've tried to find the guy on Facebook again to see if I can get that bass back, but man, what a stupid move that was. But yeah, no, he he was. Is probably my my biggest influence at at my youngest point, who introduced me. And he was a huge Travis Tritt fan, uh, Brooks and Dunn music, Keith Whitley, Dwight Yokum. So I do get my country roots, I'd say, from my youngest point.

SPEAKER_05 22:19

I uh just to make you feel a little bit better, because I know that hurts. I I've had some guitarists on and my first strap that I bought with the paper out when I was but uh uh in college I was thinking so electronics when I had a beloved uh Taylor 410 that I did with for many years being so that was I would love to have that guitar. I bought one just like it. I traded that for a freaking rolling play, you know, trans.

SPEAKER_03 22:52

Uh-huh. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:53

And uh needless to say, the technology didn't add up in that guitar is probably a beautiful patina's thirty years old or whatever. And uh I I I kicked myself on it. But if it happens, you're a musician. Um, I hope you get it back.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

We'll see one of these days.

SPEAKER_05 23:08

Uh what is it bass?

SPEAKER_01 23:10

It was it was the brand traditional. It's a silver bass.

SPEAKER_05 23:14

Um if you got a silver traditional uh we uh we got somebody that'll pay some some some money to get a hold of me for that one. Right on, man. So so he kind of got you started. Um and then uh I mean you told a great story. Um again, we were all kind of very disengaged about that. I mean at the university in Mustang uh Mustang State. Uh but you were you were there on campus. I mean, would you uh I did I was at uh university uh awesome uh music scene uh in the 90s, uh I don't know what it's like these days, but everybody's and all we'd be playing music usually on college camps, I know Wington is a pretty uh uh music scene, as you would expect, and as I would hope for the new generation can do.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

But um what was the the Mons of Ali Ball State music scene like and and how how is that kind of been a part of your journey out of there are some musicians there that you kind of pile around with and that was was that scene they their small um part of the so um when yeah besides living there, um so when I was 14 I joined a band um a couple of kids from Muncie Central and we we traveled around a little bit um not traveled, but like Alexandria, Anderson, stuff like that. Um we were playing in it's a pretty notorious bar um on campus, but be here now. Uh it's an underage bar, quote unquote. You can go in there if you're 18. Well I was playing there at 14. So um yeah, we we played there a bit and then I honestly didn't perform for a long time after um that band, we just kind of dispersed. They were all older than me. I was the youngest um by I'd say two or three years, they were all quite a bit older. And so they we all kind of went our own ways, did our own thing, and it wasn't until I was 21 that I couldn't get back into the bars and start playing. So, really, be here now is the only on-campus bar with live music. Nowadays, it's I'd say 75% metal and rap. However, that being said, there's a handful of folk musicians in Muncie that are really making their own path. Um so we're we're buddies, we play at a lot of the same places. Um me life has been so busy that we haven't got to just sit down and jam. I mean, I say that. I've known them for four or five years now, so but um we definitely have a decent scene. Um however, it's one of those things where I've thought about I've thought about starting my own band and you know, offering if you want an acoustic show or a band show. Muncie's so niche, I guess, that if you find a musician, they join a band and then they're in that band and well, you're running out of options. That's kind of the the problem that I run into with living in Muncie, or if you find somebody on campus, they're from out of town and they're gonna go home once school's over. So, but I I would say um living in Muncie didn't have the biggest influence on my music. Um I absolutely love living there. I love playing at the bars that I do play at there, but I've I find a lot more enjoyment in traveling an hour outside of Muncie and finding new places and new friends.

SPEAKER_04 27:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:18

And I and I love everybody in Muncie, but I do really enjoy the travel and the hustle of it all a little more than like sticking around home and playing my home. My hometown bar is my favorite bar to play at. Shout out Mr. Mouse. Um but um yeah, like I said, the hustle and the bustle of it all is really the is what keeps the adrenaline going and makes me want to keep playing.

SPEAKER_05 27:44

Um Jason Ern from uh two Jasons and High Rodor um news on the podcast effectives to kind of have meme data comment about it's funny how like when you play locally, people take you for granted, but you go one or two hours outside of town people must be so on the road. And I hadn't thought about that, but but it's totally true. It's just part of what we are as people. If it's local, it must be you know, you know, and and and go out of town and uh show up and set up your stuff. It feels like in some cases you get a little bit well done if you can back it up, which clearly you and Jason and and a lot of those other institutions can, then um you I I would like to hope that you're like these people are uh they're out of town.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

Um that is it's it's kind of an eye-opener because when you play around town so often, people are like, oh, Jansen's gonna be at so-and-so again.

SPEAKER_03 28:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

But if if you go to a place an hour away and then you don't play there again for another four months, people start showing up. And it's it's weird to think that at this level, this small level that we're at, that there actually are quote unquote fans. There's people that will come back and want to watch you and will spend money on beer and a drink so that way they can watch you play.

SPEAKER_05 29:06

Yeah, I mean, that's the engine that keeps the business out of like aim to have you come back for sure. But I mean, I I get I I've been really impressed by the amount of rotating positions. Um, you know, the cover the cover bands is by far in 90% of what the revenue changes are. People to typically want to hear stuff that they are familiar with, and so they're in my speciality trying to um have a place. And and usually, you know, kind of the middle ground is a little bit of covers and a little bit of originals, and then and then we're on the other end of the spectrum saying it's all all originals and maybe a cover here and there, whatever else. So hopefully there's there's sandbox for all of those types of things. But um, but for sure there's there's a ton of really talented people, and I think, I mean, there are definitely some that are like it's covers. I I just I don't I know my brain doesn't want to like white songs. Cool, man. Yeah, um, but there's more often than not the people that are playing some covers that are actually right a bitch once you maybe not to the best uh highest level initially, but over time there's just super talent people there's a ton of uh acoustic guitar players, even in Richmond. And I know the bars, you know, dunker scene was different places, you know. Uh call it a vibrant scene, but certainly uh a scene of people that you can go out and listen to, even in Canada City, Lake Lake View, or uh it's orchard my scene. But I mean it's fine. You can find places to listen to awesome just about every night. Even in January and February, but certainly once a while. I like after this one, people screaming to still have a fair.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

Oh, for sure. Yeah, I'm I get scared once uh the warm weather hits because I'm like, man, I'm about to get home from work, go to a show, sleep, go to a show, sleep. So that's kind of the yeah, once summer hits, the adrenaline really starts pumping and and you start just just pushing them out as fast as you can.

SPEAKER_05 31:18

Um I did want to circle back to that uh project. So uh you you I mean again, I saw you're attracting some some of your what was it is there a uh a timeline for when you might start doing releases? And I you think I mean again, I've talked to you, I talked to AJ about this. Um we all love albums, and yet we know that that doesn't pay the dividends, especially when it all costs money. So uh singles, it's it's just a five, and you can do that on a much more manageable basis. You know, say, okay, I got 500 bucks, I can get this one mastered. It sounds tight and released, I won't want it back as soon as I'll launch it. Yep. Um what what is it? What are some of those when are when are those gonna be coming out? Maybe doing P or something.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

I would I'm aiming for um before May, end of April.

SPEAKER_05 32:06

That's what that's that would be I'm gonna start releasing a couple singles or that's probably the way it'll start.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

I'll probably just to see if I can promote them well enough beforehand to just release a song or two and see if once I get that on streaming services, if the view count kind of raises a bit. If not, then I'm gonna take a little bit more time, promote it a little bit more.

SPEAKER_05 32:34

Um that all at house.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Yeah, it's it's well, so obviously I'm recording in a studio in Dunkirk, but yeah, all the promotions, everything like that, I'd like to um just, you know, as sad as it sounds, uh TikTok goes viral enough that you can. I've seen plenty of artists talk about it, that you don't have to take this step, this step, this step, this step, this step. That's not necessarily the route that I want to take, but however, if I get enough views that I get enough interest in a song, you know, it's it can skyrocket from there or it can slowly build. I'm I'm happy to take either route.

SPEAKER_05 33:16

You probably need to put us in focus as biased.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

That's exactly that's exactly the plan. And when this all started, when I started performing, I started performing because I wanted to be a songwriter, not because I wanted to be a performer. The more I started performing and and playing shows for people, that feeling it is really pretty unmatched. I mean, writing a great song is it feels incredible, but performing and watching people smile and watching people get up and dance to your own written song. Or cry. Yeah, or cry. I've yes, 100% made people cry. I've played original songs at my best friend's wedding.

SPEAKER_05 33:55

Um and I I still wouldn't say that, like we're not out there to anything. But it does down to the this this concept of I love Gene Starr when they were there, um it it opened up a big discourse on um how do we make people listen and how do we make people feel something where all people care about is is instant gratification. That's what we're up against that jugging up and making somebody feel something. Um that's the trick. That is part of the trick. That's and I couldn't agree more. Uh when you pull that off, that is a little bit of a case. Yes, it's like that's what I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 34:34

I'm doing something here. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:36

I'm doing something here. I I'm I I'm I'm uh for a split second in a grand universe, a human being of another human being. That's beautiful. There's a lot of stuff out there that wants to pull us a part, not not ever. I know that's kind of famous, but that's sometimes what it feels like. But being able to to facilitate that, I think is the greatest gift and and the greatest kind of uh objective.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

Yeah, the the three songs I've got right now, I I actually played all three here at the Songwriters in the Round, but so the three that we have started, that the foundation is is perfect. I just have to go in, retract some vocals.

SPEAKER_05 35:18

Like drums and bass, and then build them track that way, or how do you bass it?

SPEAKER_01 35:22

So yeah, typically so the typical route we take is um get the metronome, I'll track guitar if I'm a little off, whatever. Um, and then I'll track vocals. Then we track drums, then we track bass, then we'll go back, record a cleaner acoustic, and then try to get you know the pristine vocals. So that's typically the way it is. Um love story. Love story. The that's actually the song that I played at my friend's wedding. That's a great song.

SPEAKER_05 35:57

They say Yeah, that that is that is an unbelievable song. And again, that that's just so different than uh what you might try. But I just love the the fuck to call it.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

And it's so goofy because it's just a cliche little love song. It it really is.

SPEAKER_05 36:12

And but the way it's executed, uh, it does not come off of sapphy. And I've seen that, you know, that as a critique, like you know, uh band and be like, you know, if this band wasn't as good as they were, uh and it wants so able-bodied that they pull it off, any other band saying is saying like somewhat circle uh superficial lyrics about love will bring us together. Something like it would fail, but because of who they are, how they're doing it, it works. So it's there's not a one size fit all. I I there's no cheese on that at all. And it's because the melody and everything is so there's so much tension happening. Uh I can I I'm like, I think it's perfect just to be used to. So I can't imagine that's all I can say is I hope you keep it sparse because uh or that's the route we're going.

SPEAKER_01 37:08

Yeah, with with that song in particular, I I came into the studio and I was like, I think I might just want to sit in front of a mic and play this and just get good quality.

SPEAKER_02 37:16

And uh I think you can maybe do some pedal still or something.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

Well, that's what we're both open to um maybe even a pad synth or some. Yes. That's well, when I play live, I have an electroharmonics freeze pedal that I'll just hit a C note and it'll play it all the way through the song. Yep. And so I'll play that. But yeah, so we kind of went with the with the sparse route and we we both agree that if it is necessary, we're gonna release a full band, bigger, bigger production of it.

SPEAKER_05 37:51

Yeah, I experiment, but uh but but I I can't say. I mean, who knows? With the good of a producer and and and uh a bunch of A-list, well, or just really ingenious people, like I'm sure you can take that song and a lot of different productions.

SPEAKER_01 38:06

That's that's the problem with that song, is that we're both like we could do this, we could do this, we could do this. And it almost feels more right in the gut to just you know what? Yep.

SPEAKER_05 38:18

And then do you have any stuff recorded at this point? I mean, you have stuff on stream, right?

SPEAKER_01 38:25

Um previous album. So I have those past three demos that I recorded are on SoundCloud. Um, if you listen to it, you will hear the melodyne, you'll hear no issues at all, which drives me crazy personally. I I don't know why. Maybe it's a disease that I have, I don't know. But I I don't want it to be polished, I just want it to be a little ugly. You know what I mean? A little saturated. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 38:55

Um between I think you I think what you're saying is when you get that ticket to record in a big time studio, you're gonna be among those guys, it's like, well, Pro Tools going, hmm. Enjoy the day, man. Isn't only we you know, and and there are people that cater to that, man. It sounds like um and you said that before, so I I get it, man. Like I think that's awesome. And there's a sound oh think to know. Uh not the white stripes, but uh I mean there are there are they're pretty close too, yeah. Yeah, just that are that are big big time on that. Um that uh just that violent little dirty saturated joke. That definitely sounds like when you have that opportunity, we'll move rapidly in that production.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

That's that's what I like. And then so I got that one recorded. Um I played Drinking on a Boat here. It's the song about living on college campus and not going to college. Um that one's probably been my favorite so far. It it sounds really great the way it is right now, and it's just practically pre-production recording. And then Tell Me Something New, which is kind of just a song about being down on your luck and uh just going through the motions in life.

SPEAKER_05 40:10

So have you been right? Uh you still got new stuff coming?

SPEAKER_01 40:13

Or there we're so with a 10-month-old, it's a little hard to even get the guitar out. But um, yeah, I've I'd say since the songwriter, the songwriters in the round that I played here kind of sparked the not the inter I always have the interest, but kind of s kept the wheel wolt rolling for me. Um I played that songwriters in the round, and I went home and I was like, man, I like just busted through eight of my songs, and I think I only have three or four more that are finished. Don't get me wrong, I have notebooks of ideas. Yeah, yeah. But I only have three or four more songs than what I played tonight that are finished. And so I I went home and probably for the next two or three months we busted out three or four songs. Bad, good, that's relative, but um, yeah, I'm at least getting pen to paper again.

SPEAKER_05 41:04

Cool. Well, um, that was with Kyle, and he's quite a talent.

SPEAKER_01 41:09

And uh yeah, Kyle's great, man.

SPEAKER_05 41:11

Great great personality, great attitude, um and uh infectious, uh motivated uh and just uh you know in it for the right reasons. Yeah. Always there to support other decisions. Yep. And and a big part of this business we can't forget is networking. Yes, it's at the end of the day. Uh a guy that is pretty well known at Biggie in the folk scene. Um he's a big monk as being seen in the scene. Like we can't expect to just rock up to these places and then how can you have people to all like oh, you need to be the headlight, like that's not the way this stuff works. It it works by you showing up and like, okay, you're on the radar now, and then you supporting them and they support you, and and then you know, the right things happen over time. It does take networking, and and so if you're gonna network, it pays about jerk.

SPEAKER_01 42:05

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_05 42:06

So uh, but anyway, so it's a little bit of a diatribe.

SPEAKER_01 42:10

No, I'll at my show last weekend, it's funny you say that. My show last weekend was in Dunkirk where the studio is, and um, my producer Mark, he was recording another local band, um, John Beatrice. Okay. And so they came in and man, they were hooting and hollering for me. They were it was their first time seeing me, so we were having a good time. I went and took my break, and he was like, dude, we just had like an off night. We're recording across the street. You rock. And I was like, actually, he said it first, but he said, Um, since we play so much, we never get to see anybody. And that's what I reiterated that. I was like, that's the worst part of being a local musician is not being able to see other people play. Yeah. I think about every single weekend, I'm like, oh, Paul's playing at Lakeview and I'm playing at Doherty's and I can't go see him or whatever. That's that's the that's my biggest um complaint, which is a good complaint to have.

SPEAKER_05 43:09

No, you do what you can do. I mean, I think it's it's it's over time again. But you're right, you're absolutely right. I mean, there's who wouldn't want to be able to to go to any of five different chairs and with their own family and the work and the job or um it's it's not a perfect world by any stretch, but um having the opportunity to see a network and bodies will be give it back to them is is it's a big part of being successful uh long term. Um before we kind of wrap up, um let's talk a little bit about songwriting and maybe the process uh because that's one of my uh absolute most favorite things to talk about um like the irony of working on songs and having notepads of stuff that is not for not, all that stuff, even if it later comes out. Subconscious. Even the synapses and the neurons that it needed to develop a book and what I require. But getting that stuff on paper is critical to what is gonna come down the road, in my very humble opinion. Um and so you're slaving away at something, and then all of a sudden you get tweaked on an idea brand new song. How does that happen?

SPEAKER_01 44:24

Man It's always so fascinating. That's wild to think about because there are so many times that I'm starting to write a song and I have I have the pathway written down in my head. I know I know what I want to sing about. Well then I get this first verse down and I'm like, wow, maybe that's a chorus. And so then I I loop around. There it gets weird enough to where I'll write the chorus and I'll I'll have the verse chords and then I'll write the bridge. And then I'll squeeze in verses, I'll squeeze in the verse here, verse here, verse here, and then that's just kind of how that kind of lays out for me. Typically, how what it comes down to is I'll get the first verse in my head is is the typical, I'll hear a line and I'm like, oh, that that belongs in a song, but it's not the chorus line. It's I love it just squeezed in right here in the verse. So typically when I start writing, it's verse, verse, verse, and then I'll I'll find the chorus. I'll find that melody that I think that the song needs after I know the structure of the song is kind of what it boils down to to make a long story short. I mean, I could go a billion different ways with the different I mean, I've spent four months on a song and I've spent 15 minutes on a song, like he said.

SPEAKER_05 45:56

Yeah, it's not everyone, but but for me now is is a little bit more focused on I think the traditional songwriting um how that comes into uh into whoa, this is this is so fascinating to me because it it is it is quite different on on almost every occasion. Um and because right now for me it's it's exciting because um the specter of sitting down to uh empty piece of paper and then on a couple occasions this winter walking away with a brand new song that I can add to my repertoire that I think is the best thing I've ever done.

SPEAKER_01 46:40

Um I feel like that after every single song that I write. I'm like, oh my god, this is lightning in a bottle.

SPEAKER_05 46:46

At the beginning of the summer, I was playing stuff that you can go back as well as 25 years, and I haven't played any of those songs because I was playing this was uh half dozen brand new songs that I just thought you're so excited. Yeah, but but that is again one of the great pleasures of this business. But but being an artist, so I guess of any repute is known that at any time you can sit out and write a great song, and it can't I don't know what it didn't exist in this world. And I guess maybe other people would say, well, it did exist, and we had to be there as the vessel to assume that we hit it down on paper.

SPEAKER_04 47:21

But that just that kind of uh I don't know, I guess intellectual kind of uh obsessing on it.

SPEAKER_05 47:33

Uh it it it doesn't make it not true. You're working on a piece of music uh anybody again, I I give Jason credit, he played a song this song around uh that was kind of a silly song, and uh but it was just so catchy and brilliant, so personal to him. That the first thing I I tune it was uh only you could write that song. This is the day they clipped Boogie Namdown which is an old water side and appleson used to like to go hang out with his family growing up. It has such so the song is extremely sentimental, great rhythm, well played, and so popular that uh his partner in High Water Tribal was like, You gotta play we gotta play that song. Like he thought it was a throwaway. Um I listened to it then and I it made me think about some some experiences that I had that that were part of my life that I'm like again this is Shakespeare stuff back in the day, but all almost like all my life is a song, all anybody's life is a song. When you think of it like that, then you can kind of go backwards of person, you know, and be like, the songs are there. I I just need to gotta go away and find it.

SPEAKER_01 48:46

You mention goofy songs. I think that that's so important as a songwriter to not always take it so serious. Um, writers like John Prine and uh Todd Snyder, yeah. Um Steve, Bob Schneider.

SPEAKER_05 49:01

Yes, those are some of my paper thought for sure.

SPEAKER_01 49:04

Just goofy little songs. Oh, of course. Of course.

SPEAKER_05 49:08

So I definitely will parentheses this by saying that's exactly the John Pry method of making songs personable. Mm-hmm is something that I've definitely uh really tried to focus on. And the other thing, I'm gonna just say this and let you um give me your two thoughts because I think I started to kind of figure this out for myself doing all of these songwriting allowance is that you can write a great song. Um and and I think I heard a lot of people with a lot of great songs they wrote. And in the kind of spirit of John Kine, I realized that in some ways that's only a 51% equation. The other important part is that you need to give the audience a reason to listen. And that's how John Kine was an absolute master. So I'd really been thinking everything from improv, comedian, comedy, um, but this whole thing about I've written a song, now I need to write an intro to the song that can be rehearsed. And it made me a story. John Prime was famous for telling stories to lead up to the song, but he had you hooked, and now he could deliver the payload, which is the great song. So we're all here on the great song. So the next and very, very, very, very important aspect of the thing I've been really fighting is the performance before the song, which is the introduction, to get people to to listen. It kind of like, well, why aren't people responding to myself? Why haven't we given them the call to action, if you will? And and it can be things as simple as um I'm working on a song with Pa Angiano right now, but it's either going to be Death by a Thousand Cuts or what what you said or what you said, but it's inspired by mine Angela quote that said something to the effect of, you know, in ten years and no one will remember what you said, they'll remember how you're so it's about you you were kind of this passive aggressive person in my life. Um all of the insults uh alone were just little annoyances, but overall they you killed our relationship.

SPEAKER_01 51:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:10

So by saying, like I saw this quote how about an angel, she said a thousand ten years no, I'll number when you said that feel, and then it's what you said. Like that's the perfect, like people are already kind of that type of stuff. Well, the next front, at least my own journey, but something we'll continually talk about in the song later on, is being able to set the song up and do the song justice by introducing it in a job pine ish way, which a way to get the people to listen to. And I know, I mean, you made people cry with the the the Cardinal Tattoo song because you told that story, you were telling the true story, but you couldn't have introduced that song any better, and it melted half the audience.

SPEAKER_01 51:52

So that's so funny because I never like I I think I said when I I don't play this song. I sometimes I can't, sometimes I can't play that song. Yeah. So uh playing that one there, I mean, like you said, there was such an energy that night that it only felt right to play it.

SPEAKER_04 52:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:09

So I completely agree with that. Um along with that one, I have kind of it's not a pranish song at all, but it it doesn't take itself so seriously. It's called The Devil Goes by Queen. And it's really it's a song about my girlfriend, and it's a it's a love song. It's it's a very sweet love song, but the way I introduce it before I play is like this one's for all you guys out there that believe the devil's a woman, and all the guys start laughing, and all the girls are like, Oh, and I'm like, Don't worry, ladies, you guys are gonna like this too. And like there's lines in there that's like uh leather pants like a razor with an ass like that. Could you blame her? Like just goofy stuff like that. So, like, like you said, it's it's finding a way to to not only phrase what you want to say, but the way you want to project it. Because I'm you are in control.

SPEAKER_05 53:02

You are in control. This is not this this is your show. And so as soon as you internalize it, own that, man, you have a it's not an unfair event, it's we're not competing against other people, but you are competing for their attention, the audiences' attention. And for me, that's that's next level musicianship. And part of why we have these interviews and talk about this and the other musicians over here, think about it, be like, I'm gonna try that. We all want people to raise their gang so that when we do get to go out and see someone like uh I need to level up because there's some serious talent here, and and that's again that's the match that we're trying to dump on the gasoline plane. But I just I I think again, uh your level of musicianship, even at this uh stage of your career, is uh so good. Um I figured you might be uh in agreement that that's a crucial part of it. Oh yeah, especially in the in the listener and thing where you may have people's attention a little bit more, but man, if you can set the song up right, like it's the only way to really get your song that you slaved over so much, you've worked so hard on, you'd put so much time and effort into. Of course you want people to to to feel what you were trying to lead them to. Um what a sucky thing to to to fumble at the one yard line because you didn't oh here's a new song I hope you guys like it. No, yeah, not acceptable. Yeah, you know if you take it. So it's you're just not good at it. Nobody's good enough to do that, and you will not see somebody on a on a massive stage of kind of 2,000 people do that. Like do not do that. Uh you wouldn't be there.

SPEAKER_01 54:46

Nope. 100%. It's like even so sometimes childers, he's got songs out there that there ain't nobody knows what that's even about, but they'll know every single word to it and they'll scream along to it, and he won't even need to tell a story. You just you just that's 100%. So, like, I mean, if you're big enough, you can write those songs that you know it can it can be personal to you and not personal to anybody else, but it catches their ear. But 100% it's the way you it's the way you have to set it up. Same thing with drinking on a boat. It's people think it's so funny that I lived on campus. I literally lived in a campus house and decided not to go to college. So people think that that's hilarious and they really like to listen to that one once I yeah, it was that was a very great bad time. It's everything in between. If it was the greatest time, it was the greatest time. If it was the worst time, and that's part of I guess it's not necessarily I want to say adolescence, that was five, four years ago, five years ago. Yeah, but that growth and that span, I I like to play that song for solely myself because it reminds me that like stuff was wild back then. I was so dramatic, I was emotional, and now maturing with a kid and everything. The songs don't quite have that level of intense, yeah, of in intense feelings.

SPEAKER_05 56:19

So did you write that song while you were there or after the fact?

SPEAKER_01 56:22

It was actually I'd say it was less than a year after I moved out of that house. I moved out of that house. So it was a reflection of of what you just kind of uh I'm I moved out of that house and way out into the country, and so I had a lot of time to write at that at that point in life.

SPEAKER_05 56:39

And then is that the one that you kind of did uh set up as you know, I I lived in a house and it was absolutely the best time and kind of came to the realization that it was, as you said, the best and the worst. Yeah, I uh again, several people have mentioned that particular song and concept as just kind of blowing their mind and and uh making them think about some things that they want to go at as well. So well done. So that last enough pressure.

SPEAKER_01 57:09

But well, I loved that so after I sang there's a line in it that says uh COVID hit and we never missed a note. And I remember Kyle being like, I try not to date songs like that, but you did that perfectly. He was like, It it doesn't date the song, but it gives you the vision of the world is shut down, but we're not. Yeah, and so that and I had that same, I have that same feeling, even if I write the word text in a song or the word Instagram or you know, something random like that. Yeah, yeah. I try not to do that. But that was one of those songs that I was like, that just feels right because we were living there in the midst of COVID, yeah, being irresponsible kids. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 57:51

So um, I mean, what you just said is is that's the answer. What is it? How does it feel? We're so motivated by feel, and for my money, you can't it's just cliche, because it was kind of you go by feel, but but rarely people do. And you're talking about music in particular, but as just as a personal philosophy, the vibe, the feel, even if it doesn't make sense, and that's where it's always really difficult. And I'm talking about business and all of the other things about phone, how we go better in the city because there's other ways to be better make it more business and lucrative and everything else, but it doesn't feel right. And there's always gonna be pressure to to not do what's right and go against the feel. And all I can say is that and there are harsh realities out there, life is not fair, right? And it's how if you go by feel, even if you fail, at least it felt good.

SPEAKER_01 58:47

Yeah, at least it felt good as I went down.

SPEAKER_05 58:59

No surprise. But he gave up his his uh his comedy career to become a plumber. His plumbing business went out of business. He's like, You can what I learned from him is you can you can give up on your dream and still fail. So why not go 100% in what do you love? And if you fail, if you fail, go it down and find doing something. And and it's just like so simple.

SPEAKER_03 59:21

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 59:21

Um, it's not easy to do. Because you now you got a kid, you that reality is that life doesn't make it black and white. People don't turn their back on what feels right because they just all all of a sudden change. No, life, the difficult is is standing up and have that's all we do. So a little bit of a diatrap.

SPEAKER_01 59:40

Yeah, man. No, it's funny you say that. One of my favorite lines of all time, it's an it's an album that I can listen to front to back. It's Chris Stapleton's debut album, but falling feels like flying until you hit the ground.

SPEAKER_05 59:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 59:52

Dude, that's an incredible line, and that's exactly how it feels.

SPEAKER_05 59:56

I mean, was it wasn't that the exact line from the Braveheart, but not Brave Heart, uh, Lionheart, maybe uh with Jeff Daniels?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:04

I don't know if I've seen that.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:05

Um it's it it has Colin Farrell as the musician who ends up making it big, but Jeff Daniels was the uh uh something heart.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:14

Um Braveheart. No, what is it? I know what you're talking about. I know, I've seen it.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:18

Yeah, he's the washed up drunk the uh playing around. But the song I'm pretty sure because that is the exact line, and yes, but it was uh somebody else he did the the singing on. Anyways, yes, that line.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:32

I know a movie that's gonna drive me crazy that I don't know the name of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:36

I think it was uh what's the word great, great, great movie. Again, very, very uh on the nose of the spot in terms of what it's like being uh a journeyman musician. Yeah. So I'm trying to think of who the who the artist was that did a lot of the backup.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:54

I used to know I can't even remember the name of this song that I loved off of that. Man. It's like the weary kind.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:03

Yes, there's a bunch of great. Yeah, so I I phone wasn't recording that happy beach. Anyways, well listen, that's right at an hour. Um again, as I said, as usual, we could just keep on talking about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:16

Yes, we could.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:17

Um super appreciate it. We'll wrap up with um just kind of what uh what is in your near future uh in terms of of gigs. I know you said you took some time off. Um that is standard. We don't have any music going as well. Things are just kind of quiet as we get ready to prune. What do you put in one of the why there are tons of gigs coming out? We got you. And this time AJ Wetzel, who you guys are man, I'm excited for that one.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:42

And I've yet to meet AJ. I'm excited to meet AJ.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:49

That tree line. Um, I'm gonna have to put on my big foit pants and break some good stuff. Um, but that is gonna be a killer show. Uh what else you got on the top besides you know, trying to get those releases out April, May, May, uh, March, April time, Mokusegivos loves. I wanna I can't wait to do that that track.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:08

That one would be fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:09

Definitely support that one. Uh what else you got on?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:12

Um, so come about May, I'd say this is my um biggest, or maybe not biggest, but coolest show coming up. Um I'm gonna be in Lake Pleasant, Indiana, um, on a cigar and bourbon train car. Oh, nice. Uh-huh. And they're they're gonna take a trip up to Michigan and right back to Pleasant Lake, and I'm gonna be up there with my kick drum, guitar, and harmonica playing that. So uh keep an eye out for that one. That that one's two hours north of me, so that one's gonna be a long day. Two hours north, one three-hour trip, an hour break, another three-hour trip, and then a two-hour drive back. So that that's gonna be a long day, but if you guys can make it, man, I can't imagine they're gonna have uh smoker vendor, they're gonna have ribs, wings.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:56

On a what?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:57

On a train car. On a railroad.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:00

Where does it start?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:02

Uh Pleasant Lake. Lake Pleasant, something like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:06

It's north of you, and then it's going north and then come back now. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:10

Uh that one's cool. Um, my social medias I post. I'm trying. Last year I was really bad about it about posting a picture for one show. A picture for one show. This year I'm gonna start posting my entire month. Um, so you guys can find me where I'm gonna be for that entire month.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:29

Um I also just wanted to dispel one thing because I even get confused on this. There is another musician out there with a similar Jansen Blevins.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:37

And he's one of my good buddies from from Muncie. He's in Muncie as well.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:41

So you will frequently go as just Duncan.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:43

I so I've started promoting myself as Duncan. Duncan. Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:47

So Jansen Duncan.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:48

So if you see Duncan, Duncan music on Facebook, yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:52

That other one will sometimes go as Jansen.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:54

Yes. So we've had battles with that. It's that's a long story too, because my mom and his mom was in the same place at the same time. She had him, he was probably two or three. His name was Jansen. My mom liked that name and named me Jansen. So it's to make a long story short, isn't it? Yeah, no, and he's a very great, talented musician as well. So um, yeah, but so Duncan Music on Facebook, D-U-N-C-A-N. Um, you guys can find me there. Um, and hopefully before May hits, I'm gonna have a handful of um original music for you on all the streaming services.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:32

So all right, and then uh more more, I guess, uh pressing is uh the the summary that I have with AJ Watson and uh Jansen Plunkin here at Hilton M startup the music series um in March, which obviously the chop and I think that we do. So once again, Jansen, thank you very much.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:50

Thank you. Yeah, that was a blast.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:51

All right, thanks, man. See you guys later.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:56

All right, all right, all right. And the Immortal Words of Wooderson. Well, I hope you enjoyed that. I certainly did, as usual. Uh, it's a great young talent. If you're uh out looking for some live music, get the duck and playing all over eastern Indiana, so go check him out. And apologize for the audio quality, but uh, you know, it happened. I know uh all two of you will be upset, but uh I did the best I could. So appreciate it. We'll see you soon for