Gunsmoke: Two Mothers — A Good Woman With a Gun and a Promise

Jake Meisner is to hang for shooting an unarmed man in a drunken brawl. His mother Hattie knows he’s guilty — knows the law is the law — and she walks into Marshal Dillon’s office and tells him plainly: if Jake hangs on Thursday, she will kill him. She is a woman of her word. Dillon believes her. So do Doc and Kitty, who spend the rest of the episode trying to find a way through to her before Thursday arrives.

On one side of Dodge, Lorenda Henshaw is burying the son Jake killed. On the other, Hattie Meisner is loading a gun. Both women are beyond easy comfort, and the resolution — when it comes — arrives not through force or clever strategy but through two mothers finding each other across an impossible divide.

Episode Highlights & Quotes

“I’ve done my thinking. I know it won’t help Jake. It won’t even help me — but I’ve got to do something.” — Hattie Meisner, to Marshal Dillon 

“The only way to feel close to my dead son is to feel love — love for him and love for the world. Without it, he fades away.” — Lorenda Henshaw, to Hattie Meisner

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:12

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SPEAKER_04 0:30

Around the city and in the territory on West, there is just one way to handle the killers and the spoilers, and that's with a U.S. Marshal and the smell of gun smoke. Gun smoke, starring William Conrad. The story of the violence that moved west with Young America. And the story of a man who moved with it. I'm that man. Matt Dillon, United States Marshal. The first man they look for and the last they want to meet. It's a chancy job, and it makes a man watchful. And a little lonely. These are the subjects that dominate our news headlines these days. Not very pleasant subjects, are they? You may say that somebody ought to do something about cutting down on crime and delinquency and in promoting peace among nations, but that there's nothing you personally can do about it. That's where you're wrong. You can wage your own fight against crime and delinquency in your own family by taking the family to the church or synagogue of your faith this week. The spiritual contact will strengthen moral background and faith. Regular attendance at religious services will help your family to work out its own problems and give them comfort in facing the tensions of our present-day life. Worshiping together brings your family closer together, too. And supporting your own religious institution provides funds to help those individuals and families who, unlike you, are unable to help themselves. Find the strength for your life. Worship together this week.

SPEAKER_03 2:51

Lord easy, boys. Earth to earth, I should, I should, dust to dust. Oh the resurrection unto eternal life. Amen.

SPEAKER_04 3:17

I'll see if I can't help with the speeding, Mr. Dillon. All right, Chester. I'm gonna speak to Miss Henshaw. Miss Henshaw?

SPEAKER_05 3:31

Marshal Dillon?

SPEAKER_04 3:34

I just wanted to say, ma'am, if there's anything I can do, I uh.

SPEAKER_05 3:37

You've done your duty, Marshal. You arrested the killer.

SPEAKER_04 3:41

Yes, ma'am, I did. I was thinking more if you might be needing something.

SPEAKER_05 3:45

I shall be all right.

SPEAKER_04 3:47

I'm sure you will, Miss Henshaw, but if I can help you out any time, I.

SPEAKER_05 3:51

You can't bring back my son.

SPEAKER_04 3:54

No, ma'am, I can't bring back your son.

SPEAKER_05 3:57

You can't bring me any help. Don't worry about me, Marshal Dillon. I come from strong people.

SPEAKER_04 4:04

You do him credit, ma'am.

SPEAKER_05 4:06

We can bear things. In our way.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Lorenda.

SPEAKER_05 4:13

Lorenda, I want to talk to you. I bid you good day, Marshal. Lorenda, please, wait a minute. Lorenda, I.

SPEAKER_04 4:20

Miss Meisner, I think I'd let her go.

SPEAKER_05 4:24

I just. I just wanted to tell her. I'm sorry it was my son Jake that done it.

SPEAKER_04 4:31

Well, there'll be a better time.

SPEAKER_05 4:34

After you've hung my boy. You mean then?

SPEAKER_04 4:39

You better let me see you home, Miss Meisner.

SPEAKER_05 4:42

You think I ain't good enough to talk to Lorenda Henshaw because you took in my boy? Shall we go? I ain't going no place where the likes of you. Lorenda Henshaw ain't got no use for talking to me, and I ain't got no use for talking to you. You ain't forcing me, neither.

SPEAKER_04 4:58

No, ma'am, and I'm not about to try. As soon as I get it fit, Doc will come in and lean back and rock and. Oh, hello, Mr. Dillon. Hello, Chester. I didn't figure you'd be back so soon. Well, that doesn't take very long to turn a prisoner over to a sheriff.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

Well, no, sir, I guess not.

SPEAKER_04 5:41

Anything been going on here since I left? Well, uh, no, sir, nothing I couldn't handle. Those little Rukas last night. What was that? Old man Merton got thinking it was the 4th of July. He started out to give a few speeches. Well, a man can still speak his mind, Chester. Well, yes, sir, it wasn't the speeches, Mr. Dillon. They were stirring and patriotic enough, but he got uh snorting at this whiskey bottle between talks, and next thing you know, he seen the British coming right down Front Street. Well, how about it, Chester? Was it the British? No, sir. It was the Calhoun brothers, me.

SPEAKER_05 6:17

Monster Dillon?

SPEAKER_04 6:18

Oh, come in, Miss Meisner.

SPEAKER_05 6:22

I want to see you alone.

SPEAKER_04 6:25

Oh. Well, now I I was just. Well, I mean, I I expect I could go and see if there's any mail again. Why don't you do that, Chester? Well, I ain't wanted no more. Fine, Chester. Why don't you sit down, Miss Meisner?

SPEAKER_05 6:44

I can say what I come to say on my feet. All right, ma'am. You took my boy away yesterday.

SPEAKER_04 6:52

Yes, ma'am, I did.

SPEAKER_05 6:54

You took him away to be hanged.

SPEAKER_04 6:58

The law isn't easy, Miss Meiser.

SPEAKER_05 7:01

Mr. Meisner and I lived here a long time before he died. We were law-abiding people. I know that. My Jake has always been a good boy. You know that yourself, Marshal Dillon. A good, God-fearing boy. He worked hard on that place we got, grubbing and digging to try to make things grow after his pa died. You've been out there a time or two. You seen the boy working.

SPEAKER_04 7:29

I seen him. Jake was my friend, yes, ma'am.

SPEAKER_05 7:32

And then he came to town, and in one crazy night, it's all different. They want to hang him.

SPEAKER_04 7:41

Ms. Meisner. Your son killed a man.

SPEAKER_05 7:45

It it weren't Jake that done it, Marshal. It was the drink. The evil tempting drink. And they was brawling. Everybody says they was brawling.

SPEAKER_04 7:55

They were brawling, but Jake used his gun, ma'am, and he shot an unarmed man. Now you know that, Ms. Meisner, and you know the law, too.

SPEAKER_05 8:04

The law ain't merciful, Marshal. And you wasn't merciful neither.

SPEAKER_04 8:08

I did what I had to do. It wasn't easy, but I had to face it. You'd be better off if you'd face it too, ma'am.

SPEAKER_05 8:17

I'm here to face it.

SPEAKER_04 8:20

I think you'd feel better if you went home. Maybe Doc can give you something to help.

SPEAKER_05 8:24

There's only one thing that'll help. What's that? The life of my boy.

SPEAKER_04 8:31

I can't give you that, Miss Meiser.

SPEAKER_05 8:33

Then I'll take yours.

SPEAKER_04 8:38

You don't mean that.

SPEAKER_05 8:41

Yes, I do, Marshal Dillon. I ain't given to saying things I don't mean.

SPEAKER_04 8:46

Then you better do some more thinking, ma'am. Killing me or trying to is not going to solve anything for you.

SPEAKER_05 8:52

I've done my thinking. I know it won't help Jake. It won't even help me. But I got to do something. And if you let him hang next Thursday, I'll kill you. That's all I know.

SPEAKER_04 9:06

You need help, Miss Meisner, but this isn't.

SPEAKER_05 9:08

I ain't looking for help. I'm looking for an end to this. You be thinking about it, Marshal. You be thinking good.

SPEAKER_04 9:18

I'm thinking more about you, ma'am.

SPEAKER_05 9:20

Don't worry none about that. I ain't been partial to firearms. But I've had to kill in my day. I can shoot, Marshal.

SPEAKER_04 9:29

Yes, ma'am, I'm sure you can shoot.

SPEAKER_05 9:32

And you be remembering. If I lose my boy next Thursday, I'll be back to end it.

SPEAKER_04 9:42

I'll be here, Miss Meisner. Because I want to end it too. Well, the conventions have come and gone. Is it all over but the voting? Hardly. In the next months till November, we're in for some hard campaigning. Details, of course, from CBS News. And your candidate, whoever he may be, is in for tough sledding before he gets into office, if at all. Your responsibility to your candidate is, of course, to give him your vote. Your voice will help too. And there's something else that helps put across a campaign. It's money. The best candidate in the world can't get into office without incurring expenses. If you believe in your man enough to vote for him, believe in him enough to get out and work for him, then put some money on the line, too. There's the real test of your interest. We haven't covered the subject of whom to vote for, whom to support, whom to help with a contribution. That's strictly your own business. But if the people who like the other man dig in for him and you don't do likewise for your man, well, that could be the difference right there. So think it over and make sure you vote.

SPEAKER_05 11:13

It just doesn't make sense, Matthew. It's not supposed to.

SPEAKER_06 11:17

But Hattie Meisner, of all people. Well, she's one of the steadiest, kindest women who ever lived around here.

SPEAKER_04 11:24

Yeah, I know it, Kitty, but this thing has thrown her completely off bounds.

SPEAKER_05 11:27

It must have. Hattie's always been the first one to come when anybody needed help. First one to take in the visiting pastors. The first one to. Well, I. I just can't believe it.

SPEAKER_04 11:39

I wish you didn't have to.

SPEAKER_05 11:41

What are you gonna do, Matt?

SPEAKER_04 11:43

There's not much you can do.

SPEAKER_05 11:45

I don't suppose there's any hope for the boy.

SPEAKER_04 11:48

No, it's an open-in-shot case, Kitty. His mother doesn't know it, and I'm not gonna tell her, but he lost his wild temper and brawls a couple of times before. Isn't anything else the judge could do? Seems awful hard. Yeah. It was hard on the Henshaw boy, too. Of course it was.

SPEAKER_06 12:09

Do you really expect Hattie to come after you with a gun?

SPEAKER_04 12:13

Well, I expect she's a woman of her word.

SPEAKER_06 12:16

And you'll have to handle it.

SPEAKER_04 12:18

Yeah. You got any suggestions?

SPEAKER_05 12:21

Well, I.

SPEAKER_04 12:22

I could shoot her down like an outlaw when I see her coming. No, Matt. Or I could let her shoot me.

SPEAKER_05 12:27

You gotta think of something.

SPEAKER_04 12:28

Or I could leave town.

SPEAKER_05 12:29

Oh, you gotta get serious, Matt.

SPEAKER_04 12:30

I am serious, Kitty. I don't know what to do. She's a good woman, but right now she's dangerous, and I gotta protect her. I just as soon protect myself at the same time.

SPEAKER_06 12:40

Matt.

SPEAKER_04 12:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:42

Have you talked to Doc?

SPEAKER_04 12:44

About this? No.

SPEAKER_05 12:45

It might help. He knows Hattie real well. He might be able to talk to her.

SPEAKER_04 12:50

I've heard she's not in a talking mood.

SPEAKER_06 12:52

It can't hurt to try.

SPEAKER_04 12:56

I guess not. Can't hurt to try.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

Yep, yep. Come on. Get up. Get away. Get away, dog. Hurry up. Hurry up. Hey, Donna! Oh what's the matter, Matt? You arresting me for something?

SPEAKER_04 13:34

I probably should. At the rate you were driving that buggy through, Tom, you're a menace to life and property.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

You're getting old, Matt.

SPEAKER_04 13:40

Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

Can you stop me, I was?

SPEAKER_04 13:44

I'll ride along with you. I want to talk to you. Come in. Come in.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

What's on the mind, Matt?

SPEAKER_04 13:56

Patty Meisner?

SPEAKER_02 13:58

Oh, that's a sad thing, Alright. I wouldn't worry too much, Matt. She'll come through it all right. She's a strong woman.

SPEAKER_04 14:05

Yeah, I'm afraid she's too strong. What do you mean? She says if Jake hangs, he's gonna kill me. Oh, come now, man. That's the truth, Doc. She knows he's guilty. She knows she's wrong, but she has to get it out of her system. That sounds like hysteria. Abby isn't a hysterical type of woman. I've treated him through all kinds of sickness and trouble. Yeah. I thought maybe you'd go out and talk to her. Oh, she's got you buffaloed, has she? Yeah, she's got me buffaloed, Doc. Now, do you want me to shoot her and knock her down and get the gun and lock her up? Which? No, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_02 14:41

I'm sorry, man. I shouldn't have taken it lightly. Yeah, well, I'll talk to her. I'm not sure it'll do any good, but I'll talk to her.

SPEAKER_04 14:51

Thanks, Doc. You want me to come along? No, no. I think I'd better try this alone.

SPEAKER_03 15:14

Oh, you're Chester. Kind of early for you, isn't it? Yes, where's Miss Kitty? I gotta see Miss Kitty. Uh, she was here a minute ago. Well, there she is, Chester, looking at that uh chairs that broke up last night.

SPEAKER_04 15:29

Thank you, kind of.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

Miss Kitty? Uh Miss Kitty.

SPEAKER_06 15:36

Well, hello, Chester. What brings you?

SPEAKER_02 15:39

Miss Kitty, you've got to do something.

SPEAKER_06 15:41

Oh, Chester.

SPEAKER_05 15:43

What'd you have in mind? It's about that woman and Mr. Dillon. Well, no, I don't know about doing anything about Matt and the woman, Jessica. Miss Kitty, I ain't funny. Except Miss Meisner I'm talking about. Oh. Yeah, Chester, go ahead. Tell me about it.

SPEAKER_04 15:58

Well, Doc went to see her to see if he couldn't talk some sense into her and all, and he just didn't get nowhere.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

She's still determined, is she? Yes, Miss Kitty, she is. She says she's gonna walk right up and shoot Mr. Dillon after her boys, huh? Oh, it's a shame. It's more than a shame.

unknown 16:15

Mr.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

Dillon's just gonna sit there and let her walk in and do it, too. He ain't so much as cleaned his gun about it.

SPEAKER_05 16:20

Well, it isn't that simple, Chester. She's a good woman.

SPEAKER_02 16:23

Well, my goodness, I know it ain't simple. But there must be something somebody can do. We can't all sit around and let her kill him just because she's a good woman. No, we can't. You got to think of something, Miss Kitty.

SPEAKER_06 16:34

Now, Chester, you know I want to.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

Wanting just ain't enough no more. If somebody don't do something, we're gonna be in an awful face. Now, Chester, calm down. I ain't gonna calm down, Miss Kitty, till somebody does something about this.

SPEAKER_05 16:47

All right, Chester, all right. I'll think of something. Though I swear I don't know what it'll be.

SPEAKER_06 17:15

Mrs. Henshaw. Mrs. Henshaw. You wish to see me? Yes, Mrs. Henshaw, I did. Do I know you? I'm kidding us.

SPEAKER_05 17:39

I'd like to come in for a minute. Very well then. Come in. Sit down, Mr. I'm so funny. Thank you. What did you wish to see me about? Mrs. Henshaw, uh I'm a great one for minding my own business. Commendable attitude. Well, something terrible may be going to happen, Mrs. Henshaw. I think there's a chance you can stop it. Me? In what way? It's about Mrs. Meisner. Miss Russell? That name is not heard kindly in this house. I can understand that, Mrs. Henshaw. I'm really not interested in anything you might have to say on the subject. I know the loss of your boy was a bitter thing, Mrs. Henshaw, but there's no need to add more trouble to it. It was none of my doing, Miss Russell. Of course it wasn't. But now you can help. Mrs. Meisner says she's going to shoot Matt Dylan. I assume the Marshal can take care of himself. Well, of course Matt can take care of himself, but he doesn't want to have to hurt Mrs. Meisner. And if if you would just talk to her, maybe you could make it. I have nothing to say to Hattie Meisner. Now or ever. Mrs. Henshaw. What's done? Done. She's going to lose her boy, too. There's no need for more suffering. Miss Russell. I can understand your concern for the marshal. I understand he's a particular friend of yours. Matt is a good friend. But it is no concern of mine. He has a job to do. I see no reason to interfere with it.

unknown 19:37

Mrs.

SPEAKER_05 19:38

Henshaw. I'll show you to the door. I can find it. I will show you to the door. Yes, of course. Do it properly, Mrs. Henshaw. Do it all properly. But don't show a little kindness to another woman in trouble. Good day, Miss Russell. I'm not so sure, Mrs. Henshaw.

SPEAKER_04 20:03

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SPEAKER_02 21:16

All I can say is we're all wasting our money tonight. What do you mean, Doc? Well, I should have said everybody but you, Chester. You're the only one who's eating with any enjoyment.

SPEAKER_04 21:26

Chester can always eat dog.

SPEAKER_05 21:28

Well, that's what a body's supposed to do. You should know that, Doc. He knows it, Chester. He just can't put the idea across, even to himself. Well, I'm frank to admit I'll have more appetite tomorrow night.

SPEAKER_02 21:40

If everything comes out all right.

SPEAKER_04 21:41

Yeah. Miss Dunn, you're positive nothing can interfere with the old hanging. Nothing. But a miracle. And you expect that Miss Marginier to come walking in, toting the gun? That's what she says.

SPEAKER_05 21:57

I never heard of two women that were so. Stubborn about being talked through. Yeah, they're both a little crazed by the grief of losing their sons and they're reacting in different ways.

SPEAKER_02 22:07

Well, I should see that, but you'd think somebody could get through to at least one of them. Well, it's a difficult case.

SPEAKER_04 22:12

Yeah. Well, uh, tell you what, why don't we leave it alone till uh tomorrow, huh? Till tomorrow? Well, Mr. Dunn, tomorrow'll be too late. Yes, Matt. If you're gonna think of anything, you better think of it tonight. But what do you want me to do, Doc? Leave town?

SPEAKER_05 22:28

That might not be a bad idea.

SPEAKER_04 22:30

Oh, for heaven's sake, Kitty, I'd have to come back someday, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_05 22:32

Well, by that time, Hattie might have cooled off. Isn't that right, Doc?

SPEAKER_04 22:36

No, I don't think so. This thing is likely to stay with her until it. until it gets out of her system some way. It'll take some kind of a trigger to let loose of her emotions.

SPEAKER_05 22:45

I hope it isn't a real trigger.

SPEAKER_04 22:47

Well, it's just a terrible, terrible thing. That's what it is. All right. All right, let's uh. Let's talk about something else. Well, but maybe if we keep on studying and figuring.

SPEAKER_06 22:57

Yeah, yeah. Look, everybody thinks.

SPEAKER_04 22:58

I said let's talk about something else.

SPEAKER_06 23:01

But, Map, maybe, maybe if we get an idea.

SPEAKER_04 23:03

I don't want to hear any more about it. Now, do you get that idea?

SPEAKER_02 23:07

Yes, sir, Mr. Dillon. Well, I declare. It's her, Mr. Dillon. Ms. Meisner is driving up in her buggy.

SPEAKER_04 23:29

Huh? Oh, all right, Chester. You go on out back like I told you.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

Now, are you sure, Mr.

SPEAKER_04 23:34

Dillon, that you don't want me to stay? I'm sure. Go on now. I don't want her walking in here feeling she's surrounded. Now, go on, get out.

unknown 23:41

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

All right.

SPEAKER_07 23:52

Marshal.

SPEAKER_04 23:53

Come in, Miss Marsner.

SPEAKER_05 24:00

Come. Like I said.

SPEAKER_04 24:07

Oh. I think we could talk a little better if you'd uh put the gun in.

SPEAKER_05 24:13

Ain't no need for talking. They hung my boy this morning.

SPEAKER_04 24:19

Yes, ma'am? You can let him lie in peace.

SPEAKER_05 24:23

There ain't no peace for me, Marshal Dillon.

SPEAKER_04 24:26

I'd help you if I could, ma'am. I'd uh help Jake if I could.

SPEAKER_05 24:30

There ain't no helping.

SPEAKER_04 24:32

For me or for you. You're a good woman, Miss Meisner. You don't want a shooting on your conscience.

SPEAKER_05 24:37

My conscience tells me to kill the man that took my boy.

SPEAKER_04 24:41

I'm not gonna let you kill me, ma'am.

SPEAKER_05 24:44

You ain't stopping me.

SPEAKER_04 24:45

I don't want to hurt you, but you put the gun down, Miss Meiser.

SPEAKER_05 24:49

Stay where you are, Marshal Dillon.

SPEAKER_04 24:51

She said put the gun down.

SPEAKER_05 24:53

I swear. I swear I'll.

SPEAKER_01 24:54

Hattie!

unknown 24:57

Hattie!

SPEAKER_05 24:58

Hattie, let it go. Make the gun go. It's no answer. Let me take it. All right, let me have it.

SPEAKER_04 25:02

Let me have it. I got it, Miss Henshaw.

SPEAKER_05 25:08

You. You got no right, Loretta Henshaw. You got no right. I wasn't even good enough for you to talk to at the barrier. I was wrong, Hattie. I'm sorry. Me and sorry ain't bringing my boy back. No. Not bringing my boy back either. But neither is being bitter, Hattie. Neither is being bitter. You ain't no one to talk. Maybe not. But I spent the night long on my knees about it. It's gonna be hard, Hattie, without our boys. I've had hate in my heart, too. But I learned in the praying that the only way to feel close to my dead son is to feel love. Love for him and love for the world. Without it, he fades away. My Jake fades away too. That's what I can't rightly bear. It fades away. Then give him a chance to stay near Hattie. Let the hate out of your heart. Let him in.

SPEAKER_07 26:16

I ain't been one to hate. I just didn't know nothing else to do. I ain't letting myself shed no tears. Let him calm. Let him cool your grace. Marshall. Sorry, Marshall. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 26:52

That's all right, Miss Mysa.

SPEAKER_05 26:56

I'll take it home with me, Marshall Dillon.

SPEAKER_04 26:59

Thank you, Miss Henshaw.

SPEAKER_05 27:02

She'll be all right now.

SPEAKER_04 27:04

Yes, ma'am. I'm sure she will.

SPEAKER_05 27:08

And I'll be all right, too.

SPEAKER_04 27:34

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