S2E8: Resilience In Entrepreneurship | Tommy D’s 16 Year Fight With Live Nation

Hear about Tommy D’s story of resilience from homelessness and  survival at 16 years old to a 16 year long fight against Live Nation that’s still ongoing today



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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:04

Welcome to the Mom Boss, Like a Bots Podcast. Podcast where we talk about mom life, entrepreneurship, and everything in between. And your host here will be a mom of four perfect boys and an entrepreneur at heart. If you've been looking for a village of like-minded people, then I think you've found the right place. I look forward to talking with you and I can't wait to see you inside. All right, we are done.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

And I'm ready to ramble.

SPEAKER_00 0:41

Woo! Thank you. All right, Tommy D. So I know there's a lot of a lot, it sounds like you've been dealing with a lot of things with Live Nation for the past 15 years.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

Yeah, 16 years, just a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

Woo! All right. Well, we're gonna we're gonna get into that. We're today we're gonna talk about resilience because you know, hey, it sounds like you've had to be very resilient to go through that situation and you've had to come out. And I believe the the the hearing was last year. A few months ago, if I looked at it right.

SPEAKER_02 1:22

Yeah, I did uh uh at a hearing in November.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

Okay, gotcha. Yep, I'm gonna ask you all those wonderful questions. So, first things first, tell us about you, your life story, how you got here, your business, what you do. Tell all the things.

SPEAKER_02 1:39

All right, perfect. Well, um, I grew up just uh regular, regular person, working class family, went to a lot of I was fortunate enough to go to a ton of concerts as a kid because ticket prices weren't crazy and expensive. So my dad was able to take me to tons of concerts. Um, Michael Jackson, Prince, Bon Jovi, Def Leopard, you pretty much name it, Motley Crue. And because the ticket prices weren't expensive. And um, that really got me into music. Um, so I had a passion for music, like learning from my dad, taking me to all these shows and from a young age. Then um around six, my dad passed away when I was younger, and then around 16, um, mom remarried, didn't work out the best. So I ended up living on my own. Um, and to survive, I rented houses um through house parties. House parties basically I had DJs, um, DJing, hundreds, sometimes 500 underage kids in there drinking, charging them from a cup of beer for a keg to get in. Um, that's how I paid for uh to survive and live. And then I um took people from my houses and we'd go to New York City clubs, like legendary ones like Limelight, Tunnel, bring like 200 people with me. And one day some promoters like, hey, I'll pay you like a dollar ahead to bring these people in here. I was like, oh, this is cool. I'm getting paid to party and maybe I don't get arrested like doing it at my houses. So um that's how I really grew into the industry. And um, then I was like, you know what? I want to create a club empire. And at the time my family's kind of like, go to college, this is you're crazy. Um, I was like, no, I'm gonna do this. So um I came, you know, I I started off with just those little guest lists bringing people in. I worked my way up. Um, me and my team worked really hard. I packed out my first successful party in the late 90s for about 1,500 people. Over time, with a lot of hard work and a lot of failures, that's for sure. Um, we grew the company uh over 15 years, running every major club uh through New Jersey, New York, Miami. I come from that house music world before EDM was cool. That's where I came from my background. Um, we were pioneers of it. Sometimes we were running uh five parties a night, 10,000 people each club. Wow. Did everything from the Kardashians, Paris Hilton, Fabulous, Tiesto, uh Snoop Dogg, you pretty much name it. I won I got to the top. I won the number one sound system in the world. I was featured in articles, magazines across the world that these days would be like winning an Oscar in your industry. My team's hard work got us there though. I got to the top um as high as I could grow, opened my own club. Um, then I wanted to get bigger. And to get bigger, I wanted to get into the festival business. I saw that house music, which was breaking into, was uh was going to become mainstream. It was gonna be like the next rock and roll or like when hip hop took off. And so I signed a 10-year exclusive deal with the State Fair Madalands. Anybody, any of your viewers not sure, that's the home of the Jets and the Giants. It was a two billion dollar stadium in 2010.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 5:02

It produced all festivals, all events, all concerts. It's the largest state fair, has 500,000 attendees, massive amount of rides intertwined with it with the concert space that we were looking at doing an EDM festival over a hundred thousand people as our start off.

unknown 5:17

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

Um then uh company live nation entertainment. I'd have found out about it and uh wiped it out.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Um that's that's the start of my uh I guess my story.

SPEAKER_00 5:28

Wow, that's that that is a journey right there. Wow. I definitely admire and I'm uh I'm sorry for the loss of your father as well. I know it's it's been a long time, but it never stops hurting, so I'm so sorry to be lost. Um I admire from a young age you made a way. You know, that's I would say that's the heart of entrepreneurship is you you find a way. Everything is figure outable, you know.

SPEAKER_01 6:00

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

So this live nation thing, what what's what's the story there? Like what what were they what are they what do they got going on?

SPEAKER_02 6:15

Um, with what they did to me or what they got going on with rip it off fans every single day.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Hey, everything you know, what they did to you and how they're how they're hurting fans.

SPEAKER_02 6:25

Cool. So with me, um I had this contract for 10 years. EDM music was getting was house music was becoming really popular. Live Nation was sleeping. They didn't they weren't involved in my music scene. They weren't involved in house music. They never did it. And they saw that this was going mainstream. Their CEO, Michael Rapino, was in the press saying that they needed to acquire or hire all the EDM promoters. Me, um, and his fear was lesser known organizations were gonna lock up festival spaces, like I locked up at the Meadowlands. So they came in on a multi, when they found about my contract, they came in on a multi-prong attack. They attacked the landlord, the owner of the state for Meadowlands, kicked these guys out. They're robbers, thieves. We won't even let you put your fence up for your fare. We're gonna block their talent worldwide. We're gonna block the ticketing for them to even be able to do the event. They went to his landlord, the owner of the manland, the owner of the Meadowlands. Same thing, bashing us to the powers it could be. Then they went directly to the talent agencies um and they blocked all our talent uh for the whole entire festival. Uh, I had to take a meeting with them. They threatened to block all my ticketing from Ticketmaster. I was like, how are you gonna block my ticketing from Ticketmaster? I do business with them. They said we bought them, and they did. So that's um, they said if an event was going on of 10,000 people in electronic dance, they had to be involved. They told me, they gave me an ultimatum to either partner with them, kick my two business partners out. I'd only had a handshake deal with that. They were gonna pay me, acquire me, pay for my festival, but they had no right to be involved in it. Um, I kicked these two guys out, but I don't break my word. And then I would have had my festival. I told them I wasn't gonna do it. They told me in a click of a button, they would wipe it out, and they wiped it out. We're 16 years later.

SPEAKER_00 8:27

Wow. That's a lot. So how did the the case go back in November?

SPEAKER_02 8:36

So that's fast forwarding uh to November, 15 something years.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:42

So live nation's.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

That is significant, like in that time frame? Like have they continued to try and drag you down?

SPEAKER_02 8:52

Yeah, Live Nation's really good at a few things ripping fans off, paying high-priced lawyers, lobbyists, and finding technicalities. Um, we were expecting my case to be in front of a jury within one year. The Department of Justice sued them two years ago. They got for an antitrust, I have tortured interference. That's just like a less complex word. They got it in front of a jury in two years. I'm at 16 years. Live Nation didn't even turn over, ordered by federal courts to turn over all like discovery and evidence in the case. We had to fight for years. They refused to turn it over. They only turned over 5% what a federal judge ordered. Still haven't got it to this day. They've delayed, delayed, delayed. I wanted all I want is a trial. And every single time they tell the judge, we want another mediation. And I'm like, I want a joy trial. It's been at 16 years. And then um, you know, it's been a long time. And then going to that hearing last November, um, I had a trial date, just so you know that, before um, just you know, I had a trial date uh a year before. The judge put a firm trial date. We subpoenaed all the witnesses. We I was excited. I was getting them to trial. I'm like, I get to expose all this evidence, get lower ticket prices for fans. Um, and at the last second, Live Nation wanted another mediation. And we didn't want it, but the court, the court orders you to, so you have no choice. Um, so when I went into that meet to the last hearing, hoping to get a trial date. I walk in and I actually sit in the um the front of the courtroom, right with uh by my lawyer. And sitting right there, I was grabbed by the, I guess it's the bailiff you called. Me and my uh director of legal grabbed and made to move past all there's lots of journalists, lots of fans in there that were actually uh supporting me. And I had to go, they had to walk us. I'm like, I'll sit this next row. No, move back. Moved us all the way to the last row in the in the courtroom, so I couldn't even sit with my attorney. Um, that's how that court hearing went. And um the the judge said she was gonna set a trial date, from my understanding within a few days. That was in November. I haven't heard peep. So uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:01

Goodness. So it's it's still ongoing.

SPEAKER_02 11:04

Yeah, I've been waiting, just waiting for a trial date. And in people don't realize it, but um, I didn't. Like, you have a right to a speedy trial in America. The Founding Fathers, I'm in Massachusetts right now. They they I think they thought of me about this. Um in the civil world, in federal civil law, and they should change this and make these big companies that delay it have to pay, you know, or at least pay for your lawyers. Um, the courts can drag it on as long as they want. I've looked up online, I can't find a case older against Live Nation. I'm by far the longest case. There's most people just throw in the towel in two years. I'm the longest, but I've Googled cases, I can't find a case in the United States for my type of thing, torches interference with a contract, that is longer close to the time frame of my case that's not on appeal, because I'm not on appeal. So I'm just trying to get my day in court from a jury so I can expose evidence that I have against Live Nation that I believe which will cause lower ticket prices because they uh they run a racket.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Good lord. That is insane how these big companies just they're like, oh yes. We got we're gonna get to this information that you need. So actually, we need more time. We we wanted we need more time. Like that can't that shouldn't even be there. Maybe once or twice within like a time in a in a set time period, because that's insane to have to go through that for 16 years now. That's wild to me.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

Yeah, I appreciate that. And I, you know, I said, I'm like, look, the Meadowlands was a brand new stadium. Live Nations said it's their stadium. They run all this tours through there for the last 16 years. Um, what would happen if uh I did this to them? Would they let the state would that stadium be rusting from 2011 at a brand new $2 billion stadium? You know, it's a two-tier system.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

Wow. That's yeah. Well, I one, I hope that it finally comes to a head, and I hope they pay you what you're due, because that is a that's a long time of have you have you lost revenue dealing with this situation of them interfering with your contract and things like that.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

Yeah, so when they interfered with my contract, they didn't just interfere with my contract, they wiped out the whole contract. It got destroyed. We got the contract, got, we couldn't secure talent because they blocked it. So got kicked out of the whole contract. They defamed me through the whole entire industry. Um I was nominated the number one promoter at the time by the New Jersey Star Ledger. That's like the largest paper in New Jersey. It's the largest state paper in the in the United States, and papers meant a lot more back then. And there was only four people nominated. And Black Nation got my name removed. Um, I got wiped out. They badmouthed me so bad, I got blacklisted from the whole entire industry. That whole career that I'd built, I lost it all. I ended up going worse than I when I was 16. I went homeless. Um, and I had to pick up the pieces and start from scratch. I had to go, I'd been an entrepreneur my whole life. I had to go try to get a job, and I was having a hard time because I'm going in with resumes this thick with Parisillin, Kardashians, fabulous. And they're like, what are you doing here, dude? So I got a job going door to door selling cable. Um, I got good at it really quick, and that's how I was able to uh initially fund the litigation. I built a company that sells cable door to door, internet door to door. Um, and that's how I've funded the litigation for uh 16 years now.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

Wow. Yeah, they they owe you a very hefty check for all of that that they put you through. I really hope that that comes to a head and justice is actually served instead of the big boys getting their way.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

Yeah, it's uh two tier.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

I understand. So that reminds me of how a lot of small creators typically deal with like plagiarism, like bigger brand, like they'll come up with their own original idea, and then bigger brands will actually steal it and then sell it themselves. But because the creator was small and not well known, now they have to decide if they're gonna fight the big brand. And usually they don't have the resources. So, what what would be your thoughts on that for anyone who has to deal with something like that?

SPEAKER_02 15:44

It's pretty tough because what I would say is like if you're I can only go from my experience, I don't wish anybody to wait 16 years, but if you're passionate, what you believe in, you know, if it's for mine is for a greater good now. Mine's really for the fans, for what Live Nation does to the whole industry. It's not about me or the money anymore. It's been too long. I wanted that a long time ago. Um, can't that's a long time ago in my career. But these anybody else, I would just say it it sucks because I'd love to say, hey, just fight, fight. But the system is such for the big corporations, and they have a lot of lobbying money and a lot of power with lawyers and a lot of money. So I've people I've talked to, same thing. They, you know, trying to battle these bigger companies, they get tied up and then they run out of resources. So unless you're up for a really long fight, a lot of legal bills, a lot of work yourself. I had to do legal work for 16 years at night because I have one attorney, Andrew Smith, he's awesome. But I battle 2,000 attorneys in a $36 billion company. If you're up to battle a huge company, um, do it. Um, and it sucks. But if it's if it but be prepared for a long fight. I hope it ain't gonna be as long for anybody else as me, but um, but be prepared for a long fight. And if you believe in it, do it. You know, you believe it's for the greater good for something than just yourself, do it. Um, but it's a tough uh it's a tough thing in this country fighting the monopolies and the huge companies, um, as I think you can see with me. But I hope for anybody else they'll get, and maybe this will be something that can change some laws or legislation to force if these big companies delay and delay, that they have to pay for some of the legal fees at least, um, or law gets changed on a statute of limitations. Because in criminal cases, that's what everybody I always thought you get cases right away, right to speedy trial. So maybe um, maybe the Congress of the Senate passed legislation or state Congresses, you know, Senates passed legislation on rights to speedy trials for these big monopolies that can afford all the high-priced attorneys and lobbyists. And when the average people that have these great ideas and get wiped out and get it stolen from them, they can't even get it back because they get dragged out in the courts so long in the mud and all the finances that they throw in the towel. I've known so many that have talked to me and they've thrown in the towel after like two, three years because they can't pay for it anymore. So yeah, I think there needs to be change, and I think there should be legislation passed um by the US Senate and Congress for uh a right for a speedy trial for regular people versus these if company has over a certain net worth, like billions of dollars, um, they should have to uh not say we need more time, you know? You got enough lawyers, come on. And that's not just for me, that's I would say for anybody else you're saying there. Because I feel bad saying to anyone like, but it's I want to be real, it's gonna be a hard battle right now with the current uh the system we have.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

Yeah, that yeah, I definitely agree. That should definitely be a change. Where if it's like, hey, if we have the right to a speedy trial, then that means these big companies who have a lot of resources should not be able to delay a speedy trial. And if they do try to delay it, they should have to pay a hefty fee. That definitely should be the case.

SPEAKER_02 19:06

They should have to pay the plaintiffs, the person suing them, all the legal bills, and like maybe ten times worth of damages on top, if not even more.

SPEAKER_00 19:16

Yes, definitely for anyone. Yep, I agree. I would probably say for to anyone listening, for and if you would agree, let me know. Um, for small creators, I would say keep a paper trail. Keep the evidence of this is my original idea, this is when it was created, this is, you know, at the bare minimum, because not everyone has the resources to be like, oh, I'm gonna go pay for a trademark attorney. And and sometimes we don't even know what we're supposed to do to protect our our creations. That's one of the things. And then until we get into that situation where it's like, hey, this big company took my idea, how do I protect that? At least I'd say keep a paper trail for you know your artistic creations so that way, whoa. So that way, you know, hopefully when things do change, you have something to fight with, you know, where it's like, hey, I can at least prove that this is my idea. I came up with it and they had nothing to do with it, or they released the same design a year later. Because I've been seeing a lot of that from like clothing creators, um, and you know, small artists, you know, people who put their stuff online because that's the world we live in with social media and all that. And then their stuff is stolen and it's posted a year later, and then these companies are making revenue off their ideas that they did not contact the creator for, did not ask for, didn't pay for, nothing.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

And when some of them are making billions.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

Right. They're making billions off of an idea you could have at least paid me or got a contract to use my work, you know. So that's that's the struggle with um being a creative in this world, especially with the online space. So I was having trouble finding a lot of the stuff concerning, you know, the trial and the everything with it. Would you say you're more of like an in-person, in the community type person? Are you really online like that or not really?

SPEAKER_02 21:18

Well, I was stayed quiet for like 15 years of respecting the court system. And finally I was like, yeah, I I don't give a shit anymore because my lawyers, my my my witnesses are getting old. Um I'm I'm from the club world. We party a lot. I'm in good health. But like some of the people were at older age, you know, at the time. I'm going, these witnesses are getting old. I don't know if they're gonna make it to a trial. So I'm like, I gotta speak, you know. So um right now I've uh now I've been, you know, I've been vocally getting out there and speaking um for not just for myself now. Like I uncovered a lot of evidence in my case showing how live needs. Really rips off fans through uh racketeering, basically. I call it money laundering and a bunch of other financial frauds. So I'm gonna present that at trial. Um, and I'm excited to do so because I want ticket price to be lower. And I've watched like what Live Nation's done to the industry like for the 16 years since they merged with Ticketmaster. They've wiped out so many small creators, so many independent promoters, artist development, they've crushed. Um, and it's just become one power, one company over the whole thing. So now I'm vocally speaking out there. Um at my website, TommyDjuiceentertainment.com, people can support me on. Um on Twitter, I had a small account, but the lab nation's head legal counsel uh of the world, Dead Wall. He actually attacked me on Twitter and it made it into page six of the New York Post. I was kind of excited because I used to be in page six all the time. My clubs, I was in there all the time with celebrities, Kardashians, Parasit, all the time. So I was like, hey, thanks for getting me back in page six. They mocked because I only, it was pretty funny. They're like, he tactic countdown at 400 followers. I only had like one because I didn't use Twitter. Um, but now my Twitter's starting to make make some moves. Um, people are starting to gain traction. I'm getting a lot of fans supporting me across the world, um, from Australia, UK to Germany. I was just in a huge German publication. So my Twitter is Tommy D Prime Tim, T-I-M one. Um, and I'd massive people uh you know for support. Um, but really support against Live Nation, what they're doing to creators, what they're doing to artists, what they're doing to fans, these high-ticket prices. Come on, who can pay this every single day? And I'm really continuing, I've continued my cause now and my fight. It's not even for my trial at this point. It's now continued for the really justice for the music industry that made me. I wouldn't have never made it. I wouldn't even be alive if it wasn't for music. Music is life for me, and it is for so many people. And people deserve um that want to be artists that want to make it to the top. They deserve the opportunity. Promoters like me that worked really hard from nothing to make it. Um, well, kids deserve to be able to do the same thing. And they can't do the same thing when there's one company controlling a whole entire industry. So that's what I'm fighting for. Fans for the fans for the industry, for the independent scenes and um for every other little guy and people getting ripped off on tickets. That's what I'm for. If you like the big company that rips you off, go support them. If uh you want to support independents, independent artists, um and fans, rock with me.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

Yep, I definitely agree. I I would definitely say I think we're as a society, we're I would say it's split. You got some people who are sticking with the baked brands because it's familiar, they know, you know what I mean. But then there are some who are like, I want to support the little guy. I'm definitely a big advocate of like, hey, let's spread the news on the little people who are actually doing these things that you're looking for. So that way we can support them. And like you said, we can help new artists, independent artists get to the top. I think I've been seeing a lot more people go for being independent versus going towards like labels and wanting to get deals because of all these things that are going on with these big companies. They just keep, you know, you gotta take care of your people, but for some reason the big brands are like, no, we're not gonna take care of our people, we're gonna take care of our wallets.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

Yeah, well, Live Nations wiped out most of the whole independent scene. Where do these artists come from? Right now, you have like the top 1% of artists that make all the money um and pack out those stadiums. Well, these artists, they're not gonna be created. What happens when those older ones are disappear? What happens to the scene then? Is there even one? And I don't about big companies, I don't know anybody that supports Live Nation and Ticketmaster unless you're on their board of directors, you're on your their payroll, or you're on their take. Besides that, I don't know anybody that supports them because they've screwed over so many people. People are just forced to buy tickets from them, forced to go to their shows. And I don't tell people not to go to their shows because people are like, tell them to protest. No, because music is life, you know?

SPEAKER_00 26:25

Yeah, I definitely agree. I'm definitely a music girly through and through. Music is a great connector for everybody. Love music. Um, so what is TicketCon that's coming up? What is that?

SPEAKER_02 26:40

Yeah, so TicketCon is a ticket conference I was uh invited to to speak. It's in New Orleans, uh, July 26th, New Orleans. I'm gonna be one of the speakers there. So I'm really uh it's uh run by Ticket Talk Network. Um Scott Friedman's the owner, invited me to speak there. So I'm really excited to speak in front of uh a big ticket conference um with everybody throughout the whole entire industry um and tell my story and give my perspective of what how I think the industry needs to change, what needs to change with the monopolies, and what needs to be like done so fan fans have better prices and independent artists and independent promoters get more of a level playing field, get a chance, they have an opportunity, not like it is now. So I'm excited to speak there. And I tell everybody come down, I'll be speaking there, and I'm gonna say a lot of stuff I've not said publicly before.

SPEAKER_00 27:28

Oh, that's exciting. July, when? When is it?

SPEAKER_02 27:34

26, New Orleans.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

July 26th, 2026, in New Orleans, in my hometown. That is your hometown, nice. Yes, I was raised. I love New Orleans. Oh, yes, I love New Orleans. It's where I was raised until I was like 10. So I always say that's my hometown.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

I'm always Jersey, sir.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Yep, exactly. You gotta rep the hometown, it's only right. So, where can people find you if they want to connect with you? Like, where is where do you hang out online?

SPEAKER_02 28:05

So, Tommy Djuicentertainment.com Twitter, um, Tommy D. Prime Tim T-I-M. Um Prime Tim one, sorry. See, my Twitter account's new. It's blowing up, but it's new. Um, and then if you just Google my name, you'll see my TikTok, my Instagram. Um, I'm getting a lot of followers from across the world. I'm getting a lot of fan support from almost every lab nation's in like 70 countries. I'm getting fan support in like 60 countries. Um not bad. Fans are really rallying behind me and they're giving me energy. And that court hearing you were talking about when I was in November that I had to go to, um, nobody likes going to court. When I went to court, I've been, you know, it's it's a hard fight, you know. 16 years, you get tired, you know? I was getting a little tired. Um, I went to the court, I was shocked. There was, I called for people to show up and support. I didn't think anybody was gonna come there. There was tons of people with signs, uh, justice for Tommy D, lower ticket prices, shut down live nation. I was like, shit, I ain't quit. Now I gotta take this all the way. You know, it inspired me though. But you know what I mean? Because like, who likes going to court? You know, I don't want to went to court when I got in trouble when I was younger for throwing house parties. No one wants to go to court. I don't. And these people taking off work, showing up there, mad respect. So any fans that have, you know, a lot of them reached out to me, every single one. I really appreciate it. Um, I'm doing it for the industry as a whole and for fans. So I really appreciate every person's support. If it's on social media, emails, for amount of phone calls, I've been overwhelmed with them. And it's something that's just really uh something I really, really passionately, really do really appreciate. It means a lot.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

Yep, that that sounds awesome to have that support. I'm really glad that the the community is rallying behind you, and I'm so, so excited for you. I hope that, like I said, I hope that justice is finally served after such a long time and that you know, these overly priced ticket prices, because I've I've seen some of them where they're like thousands, hundreds and thousands, and I'm just like, no, no, um, that doesn't make sense to me, you know.

SPEAKER_02 30:13

Yeah, I got I got close to throwing in the towel and I saw their CEO in the last year, because I just got tired. I saw him go on TV with all these high prices and says ticket prices are too low, let's raise ticket prices. I was like, Yeah, I can't quit. You know, I was like, get a reality check, bro. Go in a stadium anywhere on the country, get on a I dare you, get on a microphone and say, I'm Michael Rapino, the CEO of Live Nation. Let's raise ticket prices. I don't think it's gonna work out so good, you know? Nope, I don't think so. Fans can't afford this. People can't afford this.

SPEAKER_00 30:43

Right. If you want people to show up, you gotta make it realistically accessible.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

And it's the working class people that are right.

SPEAKER_00 30:53

You know, people deserve to be able to go to concerts and have fun and see their favorite artists in person. You know, I've I've only been to like one local concert, like a couple of them, but the energy is I would say it's unmatched from listening to, you know, just the music itself on like your phone or device. The the energy of a live concert is definitely exciting. So I definitely think that everyone should experience that if that's if that's their jam. And it should be accessible if they want to be able to afford it without having to cash out a 401k to afford one ticket a year.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Yeah, facts. People the word people all say it's the only the rich that are going, it's the working class that are pulling all these credit card debts, not missing rent, you know, to go to a concert, you know, missing car payments. You get your car repoed because you want to go to a concert. But look, people want to go. It's music is life. Like I said, it's it's it's a basic human right. So yeah, and change is needed.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

I definitely agree. Well, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. This was really great. I loved hearing your story. And like I said, I really hope that it all works out and keep keep up the good fight, because it's it's hard to do the right thing, but it's so worth it when it comes around.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

Thank you very much for having me, and um anybody listening, thank you very much for your time.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

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